pvp

[hidden wyvern]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&search=leipzig

[dull hollow]

i think i wouldve liked it better if they limited it to post marriage only

[slow totem]

Leipzig would faint even if you as much as pat her shoulder, so it’s fair.

[dull hollow]

and more happy/flirty

[silver folio]

oh

[dull hollow]

[silver folio]

she basically says she cant move because

she faints a lot

not because shes bondage unless u took it that way

[slow totem]

She has anemia, no booli

[silver folio]

^

[dull hollow]

anyway it's not enough for me lose interest but just something I think couldve been done better

[silver folio]

leaving it as a marriage option eh i would hate that

that means i would have to marry ships to unlock it, i like tapping on random ships

[slow totem]

Since they brickwall oath behind 600 gems, I’d meh at that too.

[dull hollow]

yah damned if u do damned if u dont

more people would give less shits if it was non marriage locked tho

[coral wren]

That one line about grip, it's about shoulder massage, isn'tv it?

[dull hollow]

but CN lost their special lines entirely

[silver folio]

yeah thats why i dont play cn version

[dull hollow]

u cant play them at all

[silver folio]

i totally could, but i dont because of the censorship

[slow totem]

@coral wren ........maybe.

[silver folio]

i can read some moon runes

but im 100% against censorship so i dont play it out of principle

[dull hollow]

CN's censored arts tbf look better than the non defaults more often than not

[slow totem]

CN lost them? Hory shet. Cmon bruh.

[silver folio]

die

[coral wren]

this is a Cristian game now, izurich!

[silver folio]

eh why not play CN then

they get the fastest updates and even dont have the lame 70 cap

[dull hollow]

CN govt memes

[slow totem]

CN is a Christian country after all.

Canada, right?

[dull hollow]

cuz im hardcapped JP player

[coral wren]

ye

[dull hollow]

and JP and CN pretty tied

on updates

[slow totem]

OOOOOH CANADAAAAAAAAAAA

[silver folio]

the CN version absolutely butchered the neptunia ships

[dull hollow]

[slow totem]

Only GH got censored, cmon bruh.

[silver folio]

no

WH

[coral wren]

*CHUGS MAPPLE SYRUP

[slow totem]

NANI?!!

[dull hollow]

they did something to BH too

but it was very minor

[silver folio]

[slow totem]

NAAAAAANI?!!!

[silver folio]

and i have all the neptunia ships and skins

[dull hollow]

GH's outfit is stupid as shit tho LUL lets be fair

[silver folio]

censor = no buy from me

[dull hollow]

her "censor" for the vert form was a nice touch

I like white legwear tho so im biased

[silver folio]

nah she wears that in the original game, im huge stickler for that

[dull hollow]

prinz swimsuit "censor" is one of the few that comes to mind that looks way better

[silver folio]

only the jacket part

[dull hollow]

looks like an actual outfit lol

[silver folio]

i dont agree with the larger bikini tho

prinz imo must be as lewd as possible

otherwise its not prinz

[dull hollow]

bikinis that dont cup everything are pretty stupid and only there to appeal to otaku fans

[silver folio]

[dull hollow]

never liked them

[silver folio]

anime is all about fanservice and unrealistic proportions

i married prinz cuz i like her sauciness

[dull hollow]

if u eat sugar all the time it never tastes sweet

some stupid phrase my dad always told me

[silver folio]

yeah irl is already repressive enough

[dull hollow]

that's how i view the never ending stream of lewd from AL

a lewd skin is nice because it contrasts otherwise not lewd things

tho

tbh

the reverse ffect

is in play

[slow totem]

LOOOOOOD

[dull hollow]

for AL

[silver folio]

we have plenty of classy skins too

[dull hollow]

CLEAN skins

are fucking NICE

that monty skin

the helena skin

[ivory vine]

i always prefer the not lewd skins

[dull hollow]

and that free Cygnet skin

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

[slow totem]

Yeah, they put real effort on the non-swimsuit skins too tbf

[hot creek]

if everyone is super, no one is super Keppa

[ivory vine]

gib monty/ibuki so i can buy the fkin skins

[silver folio]

i think the balance is fair rn

[ivory vine]

[silver folio]

only thing i disagree with is the massive amount of DD lolis

[slow totem]

The kimonos, the ball dresses, the balance is maintained

[dull hollow]

we had such a spree of dirty skins that when the clean NY ones dropped

it felt so gud

[silver folio]

i dont think DD should be lolis by default

[slow totem]

A lot of DDs aren’t lolis, unless you are the type to say Phoenix is a loli.

[silver folio]

?

[ivory vine]

phoenix isnt a dd

[silver folio]

a lot of DDs are loli

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

[slow totem]

A lot are lolis, a lot are aren’t, balanced imo.

[silver folio]

?

[dull hollow]

the backpack and the hat

[silver folio]

most are lolis tho

[dull hollow]

[silver folio]

find me an adult dd

[slow totem]

Let’s see...

Ayanami

Only a few inches shorter than Atago

[silver folio]

ayanami is prob the oldest DD

[slow totem]

Have official height comparison

Z23, 2nd tallest of the starters

[silver folio]

and ppl STILL call her loli

her comment section is fbi memes

[slow totem]

Those people are wrong, those are the people who call Phoenix is a loli.

[silver folio]

i have never heard anyone call phoenix a loli

[slow totem]

She’s only a few inches shorter than Atago, and as tall as Yamashiro

How’s that a loli omegafkinglul

[ivory vine]

foxhoud kai

[silver folio]

i dont think ayanami is a loli

but others do

but ayanami and z23

are ur oldest lolis

"lolis"

the other 95% is bascially loli DDs

[dull hollow]

if AL can ever beat the akizukis from KC

[slow totem]

Cygnet isn’t a loli either.

[silver folio]

right about about the other 95%

[dull hollow]

but KC has DEs tho

[slow totem]

Akatsuki, Ikazuchi, and Inazuma are also not lolis.

[silver folio]

there are no adult DDs

[dull hollow]

ACTUAL

PRESCHOOLERS

[modern tree]

en comments are 80% fbi memes no matter what ship you are looking at, its not an indication of anything, its like citing a youtube comment as a source on your paper

[dull hollow]

[silver folio]

@modern tree lolis are determined by how the majority views it

[slow totem]

I do agree that a lot of DDs are lolis.

I disagree that most (95%) of them are lolis.

[ivory vine]

nobody thinks foxhoud kai is a loli

[slow totem]

No, there is a clear definition on what a loli is.

[silver folio]

yeah there are exceptions

but in society there are very clear standards for what a loli is

[hot creek]

under 18 = loli. Sincerely, America. NoKappa

[slow totem]

America smh, yeah.

[silver folio]

if the majority of people go "yeah thats loli" then u know, maybe it is loli

[slow totem]

No wonder Cleveland is a loli, cause she looks 17

[silver folio]

shes not tho

loli is basically children thats why i never cosnsidered ayanami a loli

QE isnt either

but nagato is dam loli

[hot creek]

QE is forever 11

[dull hollow]

i just treat anime characters as their own race and dont think too hard about it

cuz no real person would ever act as retarded as anime tropes

[dull hollow]

makes anime much more watchable too

[slow totem]

That’s your “majority”

[silver folio]

thats sakatchi, a weird person

[slow totem]

I refuse to conform to it.

[silver folio]

majority of cleveland is daddy memes

generally the comments section gives u a rough idea of what people consider lolis

[slow totem]

Just saying that, Majority being wrong is still wrong.

English-speaking Anime fandom is weird like that.

[silver folio]

@slow totem except even JP agrees that lolis are lolis
they even have ark spam for that

[dull hollow]

majority of EN anime fans are fucking morons who cares what they have to say

[slow totem]

Oh, I go by JP, and they don’t call Ayanami a loli.

[silver folio]

i dont consider her a loli either

but doesnt mean most DDs arent

most DDs are this weird pre-teen mix

[slow totem]

Back to my previous point.

I agree that a lot of DDs are lolis.

I disagree that most (95%) are lolis.

[silver folio]

there needs to be more mature DDs like takao

[dull hollow]

takao

u ok

[silver folio]

i didnt count, 95% is a rough number, its probably close to 80-90

@dull hollow totally okay

[slow totem]

If a BB can be one (Nagato, Mutsu)

[dull hollow]

outside of the starters none of the DDs have teensized proportions tho

[slow totem]

A DD can be MILF

@dull hollow Cygnet, Foxhound, just to name a few

[silver folio]

i would like more MATURE dds

is what im saying

[slow totem]

Can certainly name more.

[silver folio]

because u can agree we already have enough loli ones

[dull hollow]

idk cyg is pretty oppai loli af

but idgaf

[slow totem]

She’s tall, brb

[dull hollow]

im not gonna redefine ur line

vs other ppl's lines

of what counts

shit dont matter to me

[silver folio]

cygnets not a loli tho

[modern tree]

I like arguing about feelings

[slow totem]

It’s official material, so as good as it gets

[silver folio]

my argument is that there too many dam loli dds and i would like more mature ones

[slow totem]

A head and a half taller than Shouhou.

[modern tree]

especially in a pvp chat

[dull hollow]

lets just apprciate how cute nagara is tho

[slow totem]

and Shouhou has heels

[silver folio]

@slow totem no one said BBs and CVs had to be mature though

[dull hollow]

my only mild issue is how disgusting so many of the IJN dds are tho

like bruv

wat r u doing artists

even worse than kc DEs

[slow totem]

I was agreeing with you, Enty. I’d like mature DDs too, as even BBs can be lolis.

[silver folio]

i would like more DDs like cygnet, sexy but obviously mature

[dull hollow]

just wait for french event

[silver folio]

tememe is good

@slow totem i actually really hate nagato because shes so b oring

her old design was stellar

[slow totem]

People would say the same for Enterprise (“she has 0 personality”) so it’s fair.

Coming from both sides.

[silver folio]

die

lol

[slow totem]

Don’t shoot the messenger wtf

I like Enty

[dull hollow]

her old design was more interesting but her artist is an idiot who threw a temper tandrum cuz his shit was scuffed

[silver folio]

ONLY SPREAD THE WORD OF OUR GOSPEL

[dull hollow]

[silver folio]

@dull hollow idiot artists ruining things as usual

[dull hollow]

new nagato is okayyy

could be better

[slow totem]

Can’t be more idiotic than Maryland-sisters old artist, thankfully

[silver folio]

i wish he just shut up we could have had

some good art

did u see nagato sprite? it was dope

[hot creek]

KC Isokaze 👌 , AL Isokaze 🚮

[silver folio]

the artist had all the sprites and animations done for nagato

all ruined cuz of spite

[dull hollow]

when do we get more

Eriri Spencer lookalikes

[silver folio]

actually

i dont mind dds like that

instead of the shit like mutsuki

mutsuki and kisaragi are just why

[slow totem]

It’s damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation, unless you make both.

Which they are doing, nice.

[dull hollow]

eriri v2

[silver folio]

?

did she get older

[slow totem]

Different ship, cmon bruh

[silver folio]

WTF

[dull hollow]

[silver folio]

okay

now that is quality

[slow totem]

Blue-eyed Blondes

[silver folio]

fkin

👍

[slow totem]

A certain Austrian dictator would be proud

[silver folio]

would 300-cube anyday

[dull hollow]

[silver folio]

okay

whos that

[dull hollow]

an eriri for all sizes

[slow totem]

HAHA!

[silver folio]

man

[slow totem]

[silver folio]

i hate KMR

[slow totem]

I like how Yostar idgaf of what Western-media thinks about what is appropriate

[silver folio]

i spent a few grand on shadowverse then they backtracked and censored everything

there goes all my money

[slow totem]

But sadly, gotta bow a bit to the China Nanba Wan Party

[dull hollow]

that's no kmr's fault

u fool

[silver folio]

hes the producer

100% his fault LOL

[dull hollow]

he has no say

[silver folio]

nah he does

[dull hollow]

in the localzation team that takes over

[silver folio]

its not

localization

jp is censored too

do u play shadowverse

[dull hollow]

o rip

ok i was lacking

critical information

[silver folio]

yeah they butchered it and he said soemthing about "appealing to global audiences"

basically he was defending the censorship which made me hate him

[slow totem]

see? That’s what you get when you cater to the tastes of people who don’t even play the fking game.

[hot creek]

jp censored too? wtf

[silver folio]

yes

all version censored to accomodate some phantom audience

[dull hollow]

wait that's rly funny that jp got hit too

[slow totem]

It’s funny cause JP usually has its own cultural bubble, like CN but thicker.

[silver folio]

yeah, and the "uncensor patch" is shit and lowquality, and im against patches in principle

[slow totem]

Cause unofficial patches can break the game?

[silver folio]

yup and they look so ugly

i whaled so hard that i had an animated deck

and they dont work with animations at ALL

[slow totem]

Fucking Oof Man

[lime rivet]

...

@lime rivet

[silver folio]

@lime rivet sorry there wasnt much discussion going on... we would stop but not activity going on

we'll take it to pms

[slow totem]

Or #off-topic should’ve done so earlier tbf, but flow.

[lime rivet]

I'm going to backread everything, and decide what to do when I get back home later

[slow totem]

Yeah, A man takes his responsibilities for his actions, come what may.

[dull hollow]

small clubroom syndrome

the residents just treat it like a club

[slow totem]

It happens in any social platform with small enough participants

[silver folio]

its just taht u can only talk so much about pvp tbh

[slow totem]

But the fact still stands that rules were broken

[lime rivet]

That's not an excuse

[silver folio]

true

[slow totem]

So I’d accept any consequences, come what may, what’s done is done.

[grave gale]

My 6th gold barracuda. Erebus, your banana curse has spread to me.

[slow totem]

That’s a blessing. OwO

[grave gale]

Rather have 113s

Still pulled 0

[dull hollow]

just farm 7-2

endless exp

[grave gale]

I've farmed 2 already

[dull hollow]

while u prep for w10 and 11

[grave gale]

Just saying I've pulled 0

[hot creek]

same lol, farmed 2 and pulled 0

[dull hollow]

AA pretty inconsequential in pvp anyway

ur not gonna make a dent

in those planes

[slow totem]

But pointing up and pew pew is fun

[dull hollow]

they overbuffed plane HP into the moon

there was a long time ago when running akaga was considered folly

[slow totem]

Buff Ayy Ayy.

[silver folio]

@slow totem imo the only issue is if discussion is actively stifling PvP talk (otherwise what harm is done)

[dull hollow]

even still back then I figured out a way to make them work

[slow totem]

@silver folio Mods have an obligation they must reinforce, it’s not about their personal view on a matter.

[dull hollow]

i mean that's how I feel about it

the biggest reason why this club was made because ppl didnt want pvp talk in their general

but u know every sever has their rules etc etc

[slow totem]

They’d be punished too if they don’t do what their role entails them to fo.

[dull hollow]

dont really feel like dying on a hill cuz I disagree with enforcement

hand out the warnings and everyone moves on

[silver folio]

[slow totem]

Yeah.

[silver folio]

i feel llike its okay for things to go off-topic since thats how chat works in social situations, its organic, as long as pvp discsussions get addressed

[slow totem]

Actually, pvp talk in help

Cause pvp talk often get heated and drown the questions away

[silver folio]

and bringing it randomly into general would be confusing

[dull hollow]

i mean that's how I feel about clubs

if the mods disagree we can maybe have a discussions about it

[ivory vine]

well if you bring it into general they complain about that too

[lime rivet]

That's not what this channel is for.

[dull hollow]

if they hard rule then that's that

[hot creek]

help gets triggered when people ask questions about pvp lul

[dull hollow]

[ivory vine]

supposed to go in off topic

[dull hollow]

we r ppl bound by our interest in pvp

[lime rivet]

This channel is hard ruled for pvp discussions only, or something that can be tangentially related to pvp. We have five general channels for alternative discussions

[slow totem]

Help is better now, pvp talk happen there occasionally and questions are answered.

But if someone wants to ask for more in-depth, they are referred to here.

[silver folio]

i would hazard about 90-95% of the talk here is about pvp

[dull hollow]

if the rules and enforcement dont see eye to eye for that then hey that's just how it goes

[slow totem]

I give credit when it’s due.

[coral wren]

Just make another club, something like pvp/otherstuff

[silver folio]

sorta like speed limits, you can either be moderate or strict 🤷
but anyway no point debating

[slow totem]

It’s done. :P

Come what may.

[coral wren]

so you can talk about both pvp and something else

[slow totem]

There are a lot of other clubs, ez.

Like #lexington-general

Cause I’m in Flexington

[lime rivet]

There are a lot of other channels to do that already

[ivory vine]

well you can do that in general

[slow totem]

Or DMs, ‘member DMs?

[ivory vine]

its not like pvp talk is banned in general

[coral wren]

I was talking about club for those who don't post in fast as fuck channels like general

[silver folio]

general is like 99% memes ur conversation will just get lost tbh

[coral wren]

But don't mind me

[slow totem]

General is like a train station during rush hour

[dull hollow]

The appeal of going off topic in a club is that you surrounded by people you know and have a similar interest in the topic

that was how Ive felt about clubs and how they've largely worked for me. Whether or not moderation wishes to see this point and allow it or hard enforce their current rule set like I said is up to them

[slow totem]

Club like #lexington-general is like a cozy coffee cafe.

[dull hollow]

either way I just roll with it

surrounded by people that you know who share interest in an original topic*

[silver folio]

exactly

most of us are pvpers who would just get called out as tryhards in general

[slow totem]

I’m not...

A hardcore... pvper

Just want my Purins

[dull hollow]

[coral wren]

yeah, i chuckled too

[ivory vine]

same tbh

[dull hollow]

idk if I would consider myself hardcore

just a mad scientist

[silver folio]

lets not play semantics

[dull hollow]

[slow totem]

PEDANTRY IS NECESSARY

[ivory vine]

but im usually interested in theorycrafting and playing around with comps

[dull hollow]

EN theory crafting is fun

you can run almost anything

[slow totem]

I like Purins.

[coral wren]

oOf, can anyone post that cn pvp tier list?

[dull hollow]

i ran a triple EN CL comp

please please please do not listen to cn pvp tier lists

unless u play on CN

[slow totem]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[dull hollow]

CN's code is completely different

to how the game works in EN

shit gets weird

[coral wren]

You mean different formulas?

[foggy token]

did u actually check the code

[dull hollow]

u cant base ur comps off what happens over there

[coral wren]

WHy would they do that

[dull hollow]

no but we compared bili bili videos

it looks nothing

like how pvp plays out on JP, which is the codebase EN runs on

[silver folio]

can u read chinese

[modern tree]

Interesting

[foggy token]

so its not physically proof

[dull hollow]

i mean we compared what happens when u eat akaga strikes in CN vids vs us

and it's pretty evident the differences

[coral wren]

I guess you can jsut compare formulas fron en wiki to cn ones

[silver folio]

CN has entirely different equips and ships

[dull hollow]

FW was what really brought it to light

we have no idea why but CN's code is just weird

[slow totem]

But it is proven that following CN’s tier on JP results in disasters, right?

[silver folio]

and level differences

[slow totem]

That’s a good basis to work on.

[dull hollow]

CN has mostly the same equips

we just dont know why pvp ends up with vastly differnet results

[ivory vine]

jp has the equips and lvl 120

[dull hollow]

we believe it is becuase of differences in BB AI and plane damage calcs

[silver folio]

because oathing, and player equip prefernces

[slow totem]

JP and CN are pretty equal in content.

[silver folio]

can lead to variation

[ivory vine]

they just didnt have fw til the rerun

[dull hollow]

JP and CN are the same

equipmentwise

outside of 2 FCR

for CN

[coral wren]

i don't think that 6% from oath matters

[slow totem]

Oathing means nothing, that 6% is lol

[dull hollow]

but for some reason the game just plays differently

on JP

[silver folio]

6% lets u clear some things that u normally cant

[dull hollow]

which is the current codebase of EN

[silver folio]

[ivory vine]

and 2 pirate planes?

[slow totem]

No, it means nothing, so it only buffs base stats, exc gear.

If it buffs gears too, I can see it’d make some tangible difference.

[dull hollow]

FW was like the laughingstock of JP discord for weeks

it was terrible

[coral wren]

and bigger fleet numbers to compensate 😄

[slow totem]

Bigg dicc fleet powah

[dull hollow]

i managed to rescue FW with suicide strat

but it's really only super strong into nakaga

which

thankfully

[slow totem]

Iriya da saviour

[dull hollow]

is 90% of the JP server meta

[slow totem]

IJN-bias

[coral wren]

suicide strat?

[ivory vine]

jp players liking ijn ships?

[dull hollow]

FW is best played by killing your frontline

[ivory vine]

never

[dull hollow]

at least into Nakaga

[foggy token]

i mean like thats for jp its either hms or nakaga for longest times

either one or nother

[dull hollow]

JP no longer has perfect HMS on def

[coral wren]

so... you just take off aux stuff and that's it?

[dull hollow]

it's so annoying

[slow totem]

Dem Japs like dem Britisches. Ayaya!!!

[dull hollow]

I really want to test vs HMS

but I have really low sample size

I only found the perfect HMS comp once

last night

and I tested 3 hours

of all my comps

vs it

LOL

and his equipment

was kinda scuffed

[slow totem]

Guildmates Mock Battles when?

[dull hollow]

so not even perfect perfect

[slow totem]

They could solve it by enabling you to fight friend/guildmate’s defense fleet

[dull hollow]

JP is all nakaga now

so playing fw is kinda the best choice for average best time to kills/low resets

[foggy token]

what is it hood monarch qe neptune belfast juneau with boilers?

[dull hollow]

a few amagis have popped up tho

Monarch QE Centaur

Hood I know is tied with centaur in CN cuz u guys have 2 FCR

but without the 2nd FCR hood cant get her 2nd shot off consistently

before foxes launch again

tho...

with homing beacon

she might not be able to get that shot off regardless

centaur is broke af in pvp

frontline is neppy with juny and freinds yeah

[foggy token]

the cross torp is super nice

[coral wren]

is anyone running essex there?

[dull hollow]

the slow lets 406 style BB just tear into frontline

[foggy token]

i dont run essex with wasd

centaur

[dull hollow]

also Monarch's 2nd round of shelling catches the buff

which is silly af

[coral wren]

so it's all cent, huh

[dull hollow]

i think

essex is better with WASD

if you play suicide style

because centaur's slow doesnt help you

Enterprise is another good option too

but centaur with Ryuusei could be a good sidegrade too

if u play suicide option

since her ryuusei will almost always 1hko a flagship

whats rly funny is the monarch I encountered fired so fast her 2nd shelling bumped into the left over of Enty's skill

poor girl could never kill my enty

the flipside is that said monarch fired so fast it happened before sodak's skill could proc

so she consistently 2shot whoever was in that slot

zz

[coral wren]

Hm, can anyone pin that guide inazuma posted with planes stats translated?

[dull hollow]

e

i just use the CN dps list and sort of know what each column refernces to

tho i dont know all the stats admittdly

most important stats are bomb damage and gun types

and suicide damage I guess

d for damage R for reload S for suicide

[coral wren]

And the only thing we should know about traveling speed is that reppuu is the fastest and bait out aa proc?

[dull hollow]

loadouts

the reppu bait out AA strat is a little outdated

because plane HP got so grossly buffed

the AA will not shoot down very many planes

in ur main swarm

reppu is still the fastest fighter bomber tho

next to f4u

so it's a good default

regardless

[coral wren]

Aighty, thx!

[dull hollow]

shit man lemme give you a better one if ur gonna pin

[slow totem]

@lime rivet Imo you should remove the first pin too,

The recommended ships involve event-ships

[lime rivet]

Yeah, I realise

[slow totem]

Which is just lol for newer players (the ones who needs the guide).

[lime rivet]

Time to work on a new set of pins

[slow totem]

[dull hollow]

ok same deal but not badly cropped

D for damage per bomb
R for reload
S for suicide
L for loadout

all assumes +10

as you can see Torp bombers, esp cuda, have HUGE suicide damage

[coral wren]

Eh, if you could give me a translation i could ps it into the columns

[dull hollow]

fighters get really fucking complex tho

because of how AA works in this game

[lime rivet]

I need to sit down one day and translate all of this into English

[dull hollow]

I could try to write a plane guide for pvp

since there's a lot of minmaxing that goes into it

[slow totem]

Moonrunes 😱

[dull hollow]

it's not just

SB2C and run

there's good reasons to run sb2c

stuka

suisei

cuda, 818, ryuusei

Reppu, me155, F4u

m52

minmaxing mostly for Nakaga tho

[slow totem]

Does it matter to winning tho?

[dull hollow]

yes

esp in nakaga duels

[slow totem]

Aha, then worth

[dull hollow]

how u equip nakaga changes ur win condition vastly

u can apply the same rules to Hakaga

but the matches arent nearly as close

because the damageoutput is much lower

so it's like

season 3 league

vs season 9 preseason LUL

exceprt from my old pvp guide a while ago

The crux of a lot of Nagaka vs Nagaka fights comes down to "CV Duel:" Both frontlines are dead and now the CV pair launches will decide the victory. There's 2 trains of thought with equipping the CV. Either you try to outswarm and outlaunch the enemy with faster planes, or you try for decisive deletions with Ryuusei.

M52/Reppu + Stuka + Cuda + Catapult + Tank. As long as you launch first and force backline duels, you'll most likely win. Due the fact that Akaga have only 2 dive bombers in their load out and that Kaga has poor dive bomber fitting, the long reload of the SB2C is not worth the fire power it provides. If your comp launches slower in a CV duel you will pretty much never win.

M52/Reppu + Suisei + Ryuusei + 2 Catapult. Delete either the frontline or the enemy flagship and you'll most likely win. Suisei is used to leverage the reload speeds of the Ryuusei.

[slow totem]

So you gotta know what the opposite Akaga’s loadout too?

[dull hollow]

well most akaga ppl kinda just default to sb2c which is in part

why the swarm strat works

since u outlaunch them

so ur planes crash faster

and u win by default

[slow totem]

200 IQ hot damn

[dull hollow]

a few people have caught on and I see some suisei in pvp now

so I moved to the Ryuusei setup

and then JP got the 818

which also shifted things around

[slow totem]

Since Ryuusei is EVEN F4ST3R than Suisei?

[dull hollow]

no

Ryuusei

is about focused deletion

instead of overswarming

ryuusei u either want to oneshot their frontline

or their flagship

so u enfornce a numbers advantage

ryuusei launch slow

and have poor suicide damage

so u are relying on point deletion

instead of speed + spread out damage

EN does not have 2 ryuusei for a long time tho

so

[modern tree]

running Ryuusei is so sad against FW

[dull hollow]

this strat is ded until Zuikaku comes back

yeah ryuusi not good vs FW

[ivory vine]

then ykkz is out too

[dull hollow]

this is why pvp so hard to just build a "one size fits all" comp

[ivory vine]

reee

[dull hollow]

once the meta ships are all in play

there's a fair amount of countering

HMS is the comp that gets the least countered imo

[modern tree]

I mean HMS is pretty versatile in just going pew pew and winning sometimes

[dull hollow]

but yukikaze kinda gets in ur way

[ivory vine]

doesnt namagi destroy hms?

[dull hollow]

and all non suicide FW comps run

the risk of getting torp rng'd

i dont have enough

data vs Namagi yet

I only know that FW suicide style struggles vs it

that was the only comp I was able to test

the problem with Namagi is that

it is a 2 core ship

the 3rd option

can change a lot

and im not sure

what will be the best

centaur? hyuuga?

[ivory vine]

i saw a few vids on it but idk the equip of enemy ships

[dull hollow]

monarch?

[ivory vine]

i saw hiryuu kai version

[dull hollow]

preliminary analysis leads me to believe

that Namagi will play like a stronger HMS

but with less backline busting and more AoE

HMS's monarch is the most brutal backliner buster

2shots very consistently

[ivory vine]

it was like 90% win vs the hms team

[dull hollow]

oh yeah

HMS on defense

is

kinda weak tbh

[ivory vine]

but traded more evenly with nakaga

[dull hollow]

like monarch is pretty fucking annoying

[subtle whale]

how does the whole sandbagging work if they still needs to go the rank requirement for commodore?

[slow totem]

♿ HMS Defense ♿

[dull hollow]

because she 2 shots most of ur backline

but

once I realized

[coral wren]

Is DOY ever used there as a replacement for monarch?

[dull hollow]

yukikaze makes her sad

it's not a problem

DoY is never good

maybe a sidegrade to Centaur

before centaur arrives

[slow totem]

If DoY is your only choice... might as well?

[dull hollow]

but ive never had issues with her

[subtle whale]

hms backline is monarch hood?

[ivory vine]

i dont think you even get close to replacing monarch

[dull hollow]

Monarch Centaur

hood is a good contender too tho

[ivory vine]

shes pretty insane

[slow totem]

But, I’m excited for the Warspite Retrofit rumor.

UR Warspite man

[subtle whale]

[coral wren]

One can only dream...

[dull hollow]

Monarch and Centaur to me are the face of HMS

in JP at least

the 3rd ship can be whoever

[ivory vine]

monarch ap hood barrage and phoenix heal

[dull hollow]

as long as they hold heir weight

[subtle whale]

5 ship lock snipe

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

I used Jean Bart

Nagato lol

[slow totem]

If it’s whatever

QE? :D

[dull hollow]

Jean and QE do the best

it's just realy fucking funny

replacing the Queen

of an english fleet

with

a FRENCH

ship

[subtle whale]

👀

[slow totem]

HIGH TREASON!!!

[dull hollow]

but QE buffs neptune and belfast

[slow totem]

👎

[ivory vine]

oh i thought you meant jb+qe for a sec

[dull hollow]

and while the buff isnt that good

it's still okay

[subtle whale]

so which pr ship you guys going for when it come to en?

[dull hollow]

HMS frontline are all kinda dogshit

like

HMS has 0 good frontliners to me

[ivory vine]

and was like wut synergy does that have

[dull hollow]

[slow totem]

Can Jon Tron reliably cuck NaKaGa on defense?

[dull hollow]

no

[subtle whale]

[slow totem]

[dull hollow]

bart is bad on defense

because

the battle is closer to your side

so the shells have to travel further

to hit u

so the odds of getting hit

are lower

if u want to cuck nakaga on defense

put up a suicide FW comp

[ivory vine]

also no 20% buff

[dull hollow]

suicide FW is so fucking strong vs nakaga

but kinda sucks vs everything else

[slow totem]

basically what FW always does then.

[coral wren]

What makes it's suiciding?

[dull hollow]

the frontline dies

[slow totem]

You deliberately make your frontline die

[dull hollow]

FW trades poorly when both fronts are alive

[ivory vine]

i wish juneau wasnt pretty much mandatory in almost every fleet

[dull hollow]

FW does much better when one front is dead

[slow totem]

So WASD + Whoever can 100% shell NaKaGa

[coral wren]

Like, you put whatever on vanguard?

[ivory vine]

but the healing is insane

[coral wren]

So that shit just gets destroyed

[dull hollow]

the best options are Junny + Sendai + Jintsuu

[slow totem]

Preferably Torp Meme + Juneau

[dull hollow]

strong parting gifts

Sendai throws out her debuff

which a ship with an FCR can catch

[subtle whale]

who iunny

[slow totem]

Last fuck you before they die and let BBs shell the paper foxes.

[dull hollow]

FW is the only comp that can eat nakaga strikes uncut

and emerge at 100%

[slow totem]

🇺🇸

[dull hollow]

well, 100% operating capacity

sinc all 3 ships will live

sometimes u get bad rng and a random yukikaze facetorps ur wash but

[coral wren]

@subtle whale juneau

[dull hollow]

that's really only the losing clause

for this comp

[subtle whale]

is this defense or offense?

[dull hollow]

and it doesnt happen often

offense

I'd imagine

it works on defense too

but

I have no data

no one has put this comp up

on defense

btw

Suicide fw vs tanky FW

suicide wins

8:1 winrate

I accidentally killed the guy

before I could get more data

[slow totem]

Oof

Too stronk

[dull hollow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/9p5wg2/nuances_of_pvp_observations_and_guide_of_a/ a bit outdated but most of what I said in the non nation specific parts still hold true if you want to read more about pvp

i gotta go to bed

basically stop reading here

[coral wren]

Suicide fw vs tanky FW
Yeah, inazuma tested that on en asd well, torp front actually stronger than anything else on wasd

[dull hollow]

it's super poetic

FW was ass
jintsuu was ass on attacker

together tho

THEY ARE GR8

[shell helm]

should i choose [ triple 152 / twin 152 ] or [ single 127 ] for Elizabeth ?

[dull hollow]

for what, pvp?

[shell helm]

Yass

[foggy token]

155 gold

[dull hollow]

up to you

152 for harassing enemy front

127 DD guns

for defense

152 triple*

[slow totem]

We assume offense by default

[dull hollow]

i prefer 152 triple for harass

[slow totem]

So triple 152mm it is.

[dull hollow]

the only time I use DD guns is FW

well DD guns are enforced on FW

but

FW only comp that likes having the enemy front in ur face

usually if you lose front battle as HMS or Akaga

ur kinda in a bad spot

[ivory vine]

i mean 127 dps is insane

[dull hollow]

so the extra defense from DD gun dont help that much

[ivory vine]

so thats prob the reason they do so well with enemy on their face

[dull hollow]

extra harass from CL BB guns is like having 2 more frontliners shell for you tho

that's half the reason

FW can usually endure the next coming wave of backline damage

[shell helm]

aye triple 152 it is then
and how about her aux will this suffice ?

[dull hollow]

most other comps cant

[ivory vine]

yeah

[dull hollow]

gold SG better than FCR

but yeah good setup

[ivory vine]

tanky helps with that a lot

[shell helm]

noted will try to get her some gold SG

[dull hollow]

w.e u do dont run 2 reloaders

CN used to meme with double SG

back in the day

before they got shells

[foggy token]

now we run pr wheel and sg radar

[dull hollow]

u had so much evasion

and acc

that if the other guy

didnt have at least SG

they were SOL

[foggy token]

[livid fractal]

Mirror match against Hood/Akaga sure is scary.. Only Belfast left

[coral wren]

you carry shell+wheel on cn?

[livid fractal]

[coral wren]

on each bb

[foggy token]

no shells

[slow totem]

With all the advanced stuff in JP, does the 20% attacker boost still matter?

[foggy token]

sg radar and a wheel

1 evasion aux and 1 acc aux

[dull hollow]

it's most noticeable

in mirror matchups

[coral wren]

Ah, i just remember your guide with shell as a must have option for some bbs

[dull hollow]

but when u fight diff comp styles

the strengths and weaknesses

will define the outcome more

[foggy token]

pr wheels are hard to come by

[dull hollow]

like how Nakaga has a 9:1 winrate vs perfect HMS

the compstyle def influces more than the stat style

[shell helm]

@foggy token you recommend this for secondary right ?

[foggy token]

i listed multiple options for that reason. cuz ur not gonna have like 4 pr wheel right off the bat

[dull hollow]

I dont like that secondary

[foggy token]

yeah

[dull hollow]

it's not good enough on defense and not long range enough on offense

[shell helm]

aye will try 2 of those out

[dull hollow]

the extra 25 FP is nice tho I guess... dunno if that outweighs the 152 triple harass tho

[foggy token]

the lock on range for that is 60 im pretty sure

[dull hollow]

it rarely hits for me for front harass

[slow totem]

45 fp

But does it matter?

[dull hollow]

it.. helps

eventually u would replace it with 152 PR or 138 DD tho

[slow totem]

Oh yeah, I’ve ran both Shotgun and Belgun, both works nicely for me

[dull hollow]

since those are even more specialized in their roles

[slow totem]

But EN meta, more freedom

[dull hollow]

belgun is like

the middle ground option

decent defense

eh offense

pvp wise at least

[native mantle]

even with amagi that is outdatet?

[shell helm]

is twin 127 gold the right option for laffey ? or i should stick with purp single 127

[foggy token]

yes

[dull hollow]

purple 120 is better

[shell helm]

aye

[dull hollow]

the twin 127 gold has the worst dps on laffey

[modern tree]

127 gold is better for laffey because purple 127 takes too long to finish shooting, so you dont utilise all the reload she gets

[dull hollow]

singgle 127 yeah has that firerate problem

[modern tree]

I imaghine its in terms of pvp

[dull hollow]

120 purple

is the best

[shell helm]

120 ?

[dull hollow]

laffey isnt very good in pvp at all tho

[modern tree]

would you ever use normal ammo in pvp?

[foggy token]

single 127 also has that random dispersion

ur gonna miss that 3rd shell very often

[dull hollow]

the 120purple is a very underrated gun

it's got the highest shelling DPS against light and med armor

Until the 138 comes along

it also fires pretty quickly

unlike the 127 gold twin

so it helps ships like laffey and z23

tho I think

z23 runs the 100mm gold

but both should be fine

just dont run 127 gold twin

those are for BBs and CAs/CL

[modern tree]

I do think 120 is criminally underused but dunno if I'd use a non HE gun for pvp, them fires man

[dull hollow]

burn damage takes after the highest instance

the small burn dmage u get from DD guns

is nothing compared to BB shelling

[slow totem]

Whatever you run, don’t expect Laffey’s shots to matter much. Sigh...

[shell helm]

aye also will try the 120 when i got one
what about the aux will the fire ex + repair tool gud ?

[dull hollow]

yeah pvp movement means

[slow totem]

[dull hollow]

frontline shelling

is arse

in general

you rely on torps or just tanking it out

the starter dds are fun to use

and probably still barely viable in pvp

but as more people pickup auroras

[native mantle]

i think i will just ask later again^^

[dull hollow]

they get blown the fuck up

I can't really give you a first hand answer

regarding why the AKaga comp is outdated

but

I think it has to do wit hFW having better syngery

and also being counters to Akaga

however most people are not aware that FW should be played suicide sttyle

so you end up with a lot of bad frontliners

[native mantle]

i joined to neptune so i missed FW

[dull hollow]

so FW isnt that a huge threat

regardless playing akaga into fw is kinda suffering

you need to survive to ur 3rd airstrike to win

[coral wren]

Ye, i'm playing fw with jesus eldridge and bel, and it kinda sucks sometimes

[slow totem]

♿ Jesus ♿

[coral wren]

must die

[native mantle]

i think i will jsut wait some days until ppl amagi so i could get a better answer^^

[dull hollow]

amagi def is a ship that I cant provide full judgement on

however her barrage seems much weaker if the enemy frontline is alive

because it will divert fire away

[slow totem]

She wastes a lot of them on the frontline

[lament lichen]

Amagi tends to shoot the frontline more

[dull hollow]

without a frontline in the way tho Ive seen her chunk a ship

for 70% of their HP

[slow totem]

Cause she finally focuses them

[dull hollow]

that ship being Akagi at least

and that was my akagi

on

attacker side

so I had 20% buff too

[slow totem]

It’s fair, she’s not Hood and Hood isn’t her

Nice variety

[dull hollow]

hood barrage not that strong

[slow totem]

But man, skill books om nom

[dull hollow]

amagi at least has rainbow skills

unlike some idiot ships

who have 3 reds

[slow totem]

SKILL BOOKS? WHAT SKILL BOOKS?!!

[ivory vine]

fkin red books

[slow totem]

3 red books ship who aren’t Neps, what?

Hmmmmmmm

[dull hollow]

ok dropped phone on face

actually time to sleep

[slow totem]

Shieeeeeeeet

[native mantle]

@dull hollow i just like foxes more then hood. can't realy get to like her view^^ so a akagami+vanguards would jsut fit me better^^

[slow totem]

He’s sleeping!

😱

Let the man sleep

[native mantle]

oups dunno readed it^^

[azure aurora]

Akagami ?

[shell helm]

what would be suitable frontliners for hms fleet ? [EN]

[azure aurora]

Akagae better

Hms fleet ? Juneau aurora belfast

[shell helm]

dang i didnt even have a single one of them will try

[azure aurora]

Edinburgh fortune leander

[hot creek]

stalling comps are better for HMS

auoura is pretty meh

[azure aurora]

Extra acc is good

[hot creek]

I would only bring aurora if enemy also has one.

[azure aurora]

But yes pretty meh for hms

Aurora more suitable for foxes

[shell helm]

the 2nd comps is possible except i didnt have edin yet

[modern tree]

I have been playing Belfast Jintsuu Aurora in HMS and I like it a lot

can reliably remove the frontline after first round of shelling, then you just go ham on the back

[shell helm]

also is Elizabeth / Hood / Warps still a good comp ?

[azure aurora]

Bel jintsuu aurora ? My foxes Vanguard

[modern tree]

well, yes, its an offensive vanguard

and Warspite Hood QE is good for the time being, hard to say what will happen after people get their Amagis leveled

[azure aurora]

This season i battle more foxes than wasd

[shell helm]

aye hope my fleet wont outdated soon

[modern tree]

naah, HMS is just waiting for PR so they can get Nep and Monarch

[azure aurora]

Maybe they tired with wasd or just mood change because ijn event

[shell helm]

PR?

[modern tree]

Research stuffs

[azure aurora]

Research ship

[shell helm]

[hot creek]

PR is the licking sound effect

[azure aurora]

PR is grinding hell

[modern tree]

If you are looking into making HMS that works and doesnt slay your pve capacity, getting just Hood, QE, Leander retrofit and Belfast should be fine

fill the gaps with any high level ships

[shell helm]

@modern tree i'm trying to build the hms cuz my lexington not gonna cut it anymore in higher ranks

[azure aurora]

Go foxes

Amagi and akaga

[shell helm]

foxes eludes me comrade

[modern tree]

problem with foxes is that they are not easy to farm and also they are butts in pve

[azure aurora]

How about dragon ?

[modern tree]

well, not bad in pve but overpriced and lose relevancy fast

[shell helm]

@azure aurora rabbit ? i only got one

[azure aurora]

No kai, bad idea