enty cranes 
#pvp
dull hollow
foggy token
just need a good carrrier such as centaur essex or enterprise for dmg
dull hollow
the good ole days
foggy token
dull hollow
when everything was viable
silver folio
yeah i dont care about my vg they're only for buffing my cranes
silver folio
i go benson and random shit
foggy token
which imo is too rng with sendai and aurora shit
dull hollow
eh
foggy token
either u one shot or u die
dull hollow
i guess
i havent played neptune yukikaze into sendai aurora yet
it's been a while since I used EssexE
foggy token
ur not gonna run 3 cas to avoid that shit
foggy token
still gonna be 1 ca 2 lights
silver folio
@foggy token so are CAs actually a good aurora counter in EN or are people being retarded as usual
dull hollow
CAs are bad
until
level 120
maybe sidegrade at 110
u cant run them at 100
evasion shits the bed
dull hollow
EN ppl like parrot what they hear in JP/CN a lot without understanding the mechanics
thats why you have idiots running Akashi
in w10
and complainig they cant win
LULW
akashi only for w12 anyway
tbh if ur framing w10 before 110 uncap I question your motivations
so much wasted exp
hot creek
gotta get lulu and jintsuu m8
dull hollow
go level up some side ships in 7-2
foggy token
people are fast lel
already got their mayas
this is why i waited after 5 pois and 5 mayas
and then i go to w10
dull hollow
tho jintsuu actually useful for FW
cuz of suicide strat
so if u rush for jintsuu
u get the advantage
foggy token
wait for op ships
dull hollow
i find it really poetic that jintsuu saved FW for me on JP
dull hollow
Jintsuu is bad on attacker
fw was bad in general
put the two together
foggy token
frontline still louis sandy and juneau
dull hollow
ppl on jp legit have no idea how CN codebase works
We watch the bili bili of FW and we're like "bro what"
FW got meme'd into the ground in a week
only because i'm jp's only pvp metamancer I managed to figure out the suicide strat
silver folio
is suicide hms good?
dull hollow
no
only fw can play it
because they can eat one CV strike with no frontline
and still survive
silver folio
hms cant do it with monarch?
dull hollow
FW abuses this strat because you survive w.e flies ur way
barring extreme damage like essexE
u get bombed by essexE all ur left with
is a 1HP sodak
LMAO
FW suicide style is just extremely strong vs nakaga
much more consistent than trying to run tanky fronts
dull hollow
no
because foxes airstrikes
come in at 30s
which is when sodak skill trigger
so ur team takes 50% less damage
silver folio
k
coral wren
server is up
slow totem
Foxes are berry squishy with 0 defensive skills
hot creek
is amagi worth using on EN right now?
dull hollow
nakaga is being powercreeped by
Dragon pair
anyway
we expect it will
no one has gotten level 120 dragons yet
afaik
but there are videos of hiryuu soloing nakaga backline
dull hollow
we also dont know how Nagami will play out
slow totem
Goes 1 HP -> Survives -> Powers Up -> Wins
foggy token
hiryuu and soryuu pair has less of synergy with sendai
dull hollow
i tried playing roachstyle nakaga
silver folio
whats the power up?
dull hollow
with neptune Junny
and Yukikaze
works fine too
means i dont need to run sendai and aurora
makes my life easier
i'd imagine it would work well with dragon pair but
cant say for sure
game does weird shit
silver folio
any good mikasa comps?
slow totem
If we have to use Mikasa
slow totem
What would be the best of the worse?
silver folio
then u can bbkaga and hopefully halfass some shit
dull hollow
shell harder than Jean Bart
I did Nagato + BBVs
was fun comp
not good comp
but fun
sometims u 1shot a fox
dull hollow
yah that would
do even mroe damage
cuz of mikasa skill
that's a 100% meme build tho
expect to get ass blasted
slow totem
Well sometimes
slow totem
Memes > Metaslaving, for refreshing
dull hollow
silver folio
so isekai and nto reg ise?
dull hollow
both ise and hyuuga are way better kai'd
silver folio
oh ok
dull hollow
180% fitting on gun is no joke
silver folio
then tehy wouldnt get the buff from mikasa
silver folio
why cv on w12
silver folio
why is cv needed on 12
dull hollow
cuz W12 has lots of planes
but u see dimitri
if u blow up enemy
they cant fire planes
silver folio
but CV planes fly out at weird times
dull hollow
game changes 4ever
dull hollow
cuz
ppl went in
and saw 99x planes
and lost their shit
then i go up in there
and crit Choukai for 11k
with hyuuga
and im like
i mean it's still
more plane damage
than most maps
but to say u need cv
is a bit much
I mean u can 1:1 w12 trash
with monarch lol
anyway back on topic
im pretty excited to see
what will happen to EN pvp meta
level 100 fw vs level 100 amagi
i place bets on FW
amagai still missing nagato
and amagi + foxes just sounds like shit lol
coral wren
wasd+amagi prob
subtle whale
got amagi
hot creek
freaking hood 
silver folio
u get cruiser bps too?
gritty cove
silver folio
we got those
silver folio
k
gritty cove
Shh it's a pvp trophy
silver folio
^ 
subtle whale
👀
oh looks hard mode is unlock
the go to farm here is bofors?
oh twin 203mm
🤔
hollow dawn
silver folio
watch out u might get warned @coral wren
coral wren
👀
azure aurora
grand sluice
Is this the new meta? 
I take it back. It aint. 
The only thing hard about that fight was this guy's frontline.
coral wren
i'm curious if you replace hood with amagi will it become better or...
urban coral
coral wren
y, i'm an en pleb
slow totem
Hiryuu Kai is the real problem, right?
grand sluice
Im pretty sure that backline is the new meta, and I'm fine with it. My Akaga still shits on it.
What I can't shit on is the god damn Yukikaze.
slow totem
Isn’t ykkz specifically designed to cuck CVs?
grand sluice
Yukikaze is like the glue that holds the entire backline comp together.
SHES DESIGNED TO TAKE 1 DAMAGE FROM ALMOST EVERY DAMAGE SOURCE BY PURE RNG
urban coral
oh wow
grand sluice
SHES LIKE IF ELDRIDGE DIDNT HAVE A FUCKING COOLDOWN ON HER SKILL
grand sluice
EVERYTIME I HEAR NANODA
1 DAMAGE
coral wren
how often does she proc?
grand sluice
TOO OFTEN
urban coral
oh wow
coral wren
eldridge: who are you
yukikaze: i'm you, but better
slow totem
BB shells? 
urban coral
25% chance every hit?! that's nasty
grand sluice
It's not even that she has the stupid 1 damage skill
It's that her evasion is so high too
So whatever doesn't get reduced to 1 damage, MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS
slow totem
She also reinforces backline ala Fortune, and also heals them ala Vestal
coral wren
sounds like a complete bullshit
urban coral
oh wow that's messed up
urban coral
I secretly want that here in en
coral wren
Hm, but ppl don't put her on the bottom line, eh?
slow totem
YUKIKAZE-SAMA NANO DA
grand sluice
New Nagato + Amagi + Hiryuu Kai meta -
Yukikaze - 
Juneau -
Belfast - 
slow totem
coral wren
I wonder how tough would it be for cn hms to deal with that
slow totem
They have Monarch and Dork, right?
coral wren
Ye
grand sluice
Yukikaze was a mistake 
slow totem
Still bs skills tho
urban coral
what's that above T0
slow totem
“Win against anything” tier
urban coral
wait is that the actual translation?!
coral wren
Actually, the best way o deal with all that invul on everything and everyone just to give some bb or cv invul negating skill
slow totem
How hit, evasion, damage, etc works differently
grand sluice
rolls around on floor
slow totem
grand sluice
NOT THE NANODA
coral wren
if you can't fight it join it
slow totem
He broke, send help
grand sluice
Nooooooo. No more Nanoda. Not the Nanoda.
urban coral
lmao
native mantle
so without washi i guess its akagami for backline atm?
slow totem
Just try out and see if you like how they perform.
native mantle
i just ask cause i wouldn't know what to put in my vanguard then
foggy token
imo, amagi replaces hood in akaga fleet.
amagi barrage has more tactical value than hood
slow totem
Only one way to really find out
The possibility of them both being viable is also there
foggy token
since with akaga, u will enjoy that 45% reload decrease
which give u an option to use mk6 in pvp
for amagi
slow totem
The accuracy of Amagi’s Level 10 barrage will determine if she’s a clear pick over Hood for Akaga or not. Excited to find out.
But leveling her skills is going to be a bietch
foggy token
the reason behind my statement of amagi barrage has higher tactical value is that amagi barrage consists of forward shooting shells. as flag ship, her barrage will roll thru frontline and hit backline
unlike hood barrage skips frontline, arcing shells to backline
giving u an edge in winning the frontline battle
while also doing damage to backline
slow totem
If the damage is tickle damage, that doesn’t bode well. People can truly practice in a week, I think, or less.
slow totem
I prefer actual practice myself (so if someone asks, I can say based on personal practical experience, rather than “Because X says so”) but I’ll take your word for it as a basis for later.
foggy token
certainly
native mantle
@foggy token so what frontline would be recommended for akagami?
foggy token
you can always use the frontline you would use with hood akaga
imo, amagi works great with juneau. the damage reduction alleviates the problem where juneau taking too much damage during opening torp and dying too early.
modern tree
Belfast Jintsuu Aurora for maximum fox
Leverage the fact that Amagi barrage hits front fast and foxes exist
It's also a ridiculously efficient front for almost any EN lineup
modern tree
Also, while Amagi synergizes with Juneau, foxes specifically synergize with all out offense because your best and most reliable win condition is killing the front before second strike, at any cost
Healing is nice, but doesn't really help that
inland tiger
So bb kaga or cv kaga?
solemn gorge
cvcvcv
modern tree
PvP probably still CV. BB Kaga is good in PvE tho.
Coin flip barrage and weak AA will do worse in pvp than ridiculous air power
inland tiger
Ugh i still dont have cv kaga and im too lazy to farm when i know i can just get bb kaga when im done with the event
Dang it
modern tree
You can try it, it just won't be optimaltm
inland tiger
Also gold 406mm or 406mm mk6?
solemn gorge
mk6mk6
modern tree
Never gold bb guns until we get hood pr gun
inland tiger
Wats the difference between 45 fp and 25 anyways?
solemn gorge
not significant enough
modern tree
Ammo type matters more than couple of percent damage increase 20 fp gives
HE is basically the only ammo you ever want to use on bbs period and pvp in general
Cases where you would use not HE guns for pvp are rather rare and mostly involve skill and barrage procs for Destroyers
native mantle
and if i dunno have a jintsuu?
inland tiger
Huh?
modern tree
You go farm her
native mantle
i can't just level 62
inland tiger
Oh
modern tree
Non ironic Leander?
inland tiger
Traditional hms fleet is pretty easy to get if u missed fw
modern tree
Juneau works too I guess
inland tiger
Wait u use bel gun on every cl for pvp right?
native mantle
i ahve juneau and belfast. but wouldn't i need a 4th IJN for amagi procc?
modern tree
But if you are 62, get Leander since Juneau is worthless in pve
Right
Jintsuu was the ijn
native mantle
so what IJN instead of jintsu?
modern tree
I sometimes forget Aurora is hms
native mantle
i haven't her either
modern tree
Truth is that IJN boats suck
native mantle
i haven't both but they are obtainable even with levle 62 IIRC
modern tree
Only good ones are the ones that are a pain in the ass to farm
And Ayanami that is pain in the ass to get for other reasons
native mantle
cause i need all 3 starter on MLB?
modern tree
Yep
inland tiger
And u need to kai her too
modern tree
Yeep
native mantle
so belfast+juneau+aya should work if i can get her?
modern tree
Amagi counts herself
modern tree
It's alright
native mantle
can i use something besides jin, aya and poi?
modern tree
Still need 2/3 of the fleet to be weaboo
modern tree
You are probably hosed, Abukuma kai is like the only ijn I can think of that's not totally garbage
But I am not sure if I d run that in pvp
inland tiger
Isnt she a dd?
inland tiger
Oh
Well amagi counting herself is pretty good tho
If i can somehow squeeze sodak in there
I enjoy using sodak
And wash
modern tree
Don't need the ijns for Amagi to work
It's ACTIVELY BAD to play for this passive with wasd
Just play normal wasd with Amagi
Like we are discussing, ijn ships are not very good
inland tiger
Why bad? 25% and that aux u get from fw is so fast
modern tree
Because wasd does not need it
Its a slugging stall comp
Compromising your stall to shoot faster once is just bad
pastel forge
frankly, no one knows for sure since its all brand new even on other server
modern tree
I know for sure
One fast shot won't make wasd as good as a frontline with Juneau
Not with what we have
inland tiger
Or maybe i could use hood n hiryu kai(is that coming soon?) N amagi?
coral wren
😮 why is the storyline amagi va kaga?
pastel forge
true, it's very unlikely that juneau-less comp will be better, but eh like all things it needs to be tested
native mantle
i think its not a real battle more...trial?
coral wren
Oh
native mantle
its seems lesser about destruction more about rivals or something?
native mantle
aye i think nagato said that all ships need to fight to get the "strongest" ship in IJN?
it would make no sense that amagi fights against the IJN or her sisters with the goal to bring destruction^^
gritty cove
Roll more
gritty cove
Did you exchange the event stuff for money
modern tree
Beli Dura Despacito
coral wren
Damn, how lucky was it for me then...
gritty cove
Mine was at like 50~
coral wren
The question is, should i spend cubes to get dupes of her in order to save bullins..
modern tree
probably not, just do daily event construction on the banner
gritty cove
Nah the daily 3 construction is fine
modern tree
and burn cubes if you feel like it when the event is wrapping up
no point in doing it now
coral wren
Y, prob you are right. Damn, first event i get the key ssr on first roll..
I genuinely expected them to add research before event hits en
but if rumors are true and they are waiting for new ui to be implemented, then it sucks
modern tree
I didn't, but I also didnt expect this event to be on EN quite this soon
I am glad they are not holding the new content up on us, we still have to catch up, but new things are nice, things that arent played to death by other regions
coral wren
Why? Have they never tried to sync events with en up untill fw?
pastel forge
when did core data get added in jp anyway? before/after w11?
modern tree
I just thought they would keep trying to shove as much old stuff into en as possible to even things out faster
and core data was with w11 afaik
urban coral
nice, we're close
coral wren
Yeah, but anyway accelerating the pace on en would be amazing. When you look at other gachas and see how en region struggles there to catch up and you realize it won't ever happen because devs are assholes, you start thinking al is actually one of the best gachas atm if not the best for en
real notch
yea i think i used around 70-80k gold
now i'm living on poverty
to make things worse amagi is fukin roll exclusive so she has to get rolled
modern tree
I generally live in poverty because I kai everything to keep my collection percentage up because I make poor choices in things I feel competitive about
pastel forge
I had 25k gold at the start of event, got amagi, literally my luckiest event yet
devout shale
Hey guys, what should i use on my unicorn for this event?
recently moved her to lvl 100
slow totem
Typical Unicorn stuff.
Double Catapult, Reppuu/Seafang/Hellcat, Barracuda, and Bofors.
devout shale
alright, thank you
strange shuttle
did this event change the pvp meta setup?
modern tree
Amagi will probably make wasd even more popular because shes a shoein to a slugging fleet like that
aside for that, foxes will probably rise in popularity also because her barrage has torps and tags the front and fires hella fast all of which foxes like
proooobably not much else?
strange shuttle
so if we do her and 2 foxes dont we need 2 more frontline to match? the 10-4 ship is good regardleess, who would be the rest?
modern tree
she counts herself
you only need Jintsuu
frontline will most likely be Belfast Jintsuu Aurora
because nothing else makes much sense
strange shuttle
ok so if i try that, 2 foxes jintssuu , who for the last 2 slots?
ah
okay ill try that when i raise them4
i got the retro done, just need raise amagi and ability lvs
modern tree
Amagi has 3 abilities, it will take weeks to rise her 
strange shuttle
for 10-10-10 sure but you can start at atound 7 or so
to 5-7 dont take that long
modern tree
I mean, I am planning on doing 7-7-7 and then maxing them one by one
strange shuttle
i dont like moving gear around , so if i do a new pvp setup, like it perminant, though a new frontline wont stop me keeping elradge geared and such, i think i need to degear hod for her
speaking of
whats her main gun? same as hood?
modern tree
yea, has to be
slow totem
If you have 4 IJN bote, inc herself and gold FCR, I can see the merit of her using the 406mk6
Just a theory
modern tree
with 410 and her ability you can probably barrage twice before 2nd fox strike which should help slaying vanguard quite a bit
grave gale
Wouldn't Amagi, Akagi and Kaga be flat out better than Hood with the foxes?
modern tree
I mean
slow totem
I dunno, Hood’s barrage focuses on backline and she boosts reload of herself and the foxes.
slow totem
Amagi has far less HP and shittier AA.
modern tree
which is better than pressuring the back
but she fragile af
and you will need to run her flagship to reap the benefits
slow totem
Yeah. 1.2k HP difference from Hood.
That’s big, esp in PvP where the values are inflated
modern tree
so she might be better than hood in akaga, but it remains to be seen
slow totem
I can see her dropping dead or barely alive from a SoDak Focused Assault proc.
modern tree
she is defo better than hood or enterprise in wasd tho
slow totem
WASD without E lacks the ability to bamboozle wipe out a vanguard tho.
modern tree
doesnt need it
slow totem
Amagi’s barrage can’t replace Lucky E.
modern tree
2 flanking barrages and making your already ridiculously tanky backline even more ridiculously tanky is pretty good. Sodaks Aegis helps her poor defensive stats a bit. Wasd has really high AA to compensate for her poor AA.
slow totem
Aegis’ wonky timing works to her detriment it seems hmmm
Only one way to find out
But 3 skills omfg. 
Weeks.
modern tree
Enterprise is alright, but dude, 9% offensive stat reduction and 10% evasion rate for backline with a pretty fucking handy burn damage reduction
benefit multiplied further by Juneau heal and Pearl heal
70% to do a thing vs a static, pretty significant health increase on a fleet that is already durable beyond reason
"but where is the damage"
3 BBs will set the world on fire
grave gale
slow totem
HMS would be pretty legit against that, to snipe her out since her skills are specifically said to be active if she’s alive only.
modern tree
Foxes and HMS which are the only contestants outside of the mirror really cant deal with it
see
slow totem
Derp, jinx
modern tree
the problem with HMS sniping anything is the evasion rate, burn damage resistance and aegis parrying second salvo of HMS
slow totem
And HMS CLs (Belfast, LeanderXD, USS Juneau/Aurora for maximum Jesus) with multiple smokescreens buffed by QE would win the vanguard fight.
Well, lots of stuff to do
modern tree
she has thousand more health than enterprise with the same armour class, which is resistant to Warspite
slow totem
Wait... doesn’t AP do good against anything but light armor?
modern tree
BB AP is 30% damage vs light
slow totem
She has medium, which is weak to AP.
modern tree
wait, that is correct
she is
hmm
Well, Enterprise needs a magic touch to die, in one salvo
if Juneau dies between salvos, Amagi is not dying until a third because of the Aegis
thats a lot of damage pervented
slow totem
Gotta keep Juneau alive.
Or.
Kill her right out
With torp memes
And no E or Foxes, don’t have to worry too much about being wiped.
modern tree
oh, you do, actually
if you break the frontline fast, then your frontline dies to 127mm and then sodak can just solo you with one focused ASS
its really obnoxious
slow totem
better to just use HMS CLs then.
modern tree
but if you break the frontline slow then juneau wil get better heal
its just not favourable
slow totem
Ignore Juneau by gimping your frontline’s offensive power. I have done that before.
With frontlines still existing, WASD will also waste shots on them.
modern tree
just play Deutschland with her special gun and fire at the backline instead loool
slow totem
200IQ
modern tree
I will play this fleet until more people do and then I will try to find a way to beat it, but I am not optimistic
wasd anything with cancer frontline is already strong, but if they start taking 9% less damage from the game start, well...
vague token
dont forget the new destroyer with another backline tank skill
except hers gives 10% reduc from CL and DD attacks
hatakaze creeeep
bright raven
What would be better here over Belfast? Also don't know if the Akagi / Kaga is best here but they seem to work quite well so far
vague token
that looks like the rush comp lol
modern tree
nothing will be better there over belfast, probably
vague token
belfast guns hurt
odd schooner
I was thinking of aurora cause he's using foxes
vague token
so she's a good pick
modern tree
I know Jintsuu exists but she is actually quite fragile when up front
and Aurora has no tank
so Aurora would go over helena prolly
vague token
xD
bright raven
would like jintsuu but she wont drop for me xD
if i were to replace Helena would something be better than Enty?
modern tree
if you replaced helena with Aurora, nah
I mean, you can try Amagi
once shes high enough level
bright raven
....if she drops too xD but definitely looking forward to putting here in the fleet
silver folio
I wouldnt run Helena for just enty
Bette off replacing eldu and Helena with Juneau aurira
modern tree
yes, this is the new strongest fleet, welcome to the namagi meta
dull hollow
can it outgun HMS tho
that's the most important question
if it does that shifts both hms and nakaga 1 tier down
kinda doubt it tho
amagi target selection
is pretty bad
you need one frontline to be dead to get the full effect
and IJN cant abuse suicide tactics like FW can
I'll have to try it out
close to finishing my amagi
maybe centaur can leverage the frontline busting
modern tree
I mean, Hyuuga is there, but it could be Taiho, Hiryuu Kai, or other IJN ship because all you need is one to get Amagi to shoot fast
dull hollow
taihou is awful
modern tree
with Hiryuu Kai probably being the most ridiculous one
dull hollow
hiryuu kai is pretty funny
i think ill try centaur first tho
and see if amagi's FCR effect lets her catch centaur's debuff
also could go with monarch to abuse more barrages
lone pendant
lol wat
modern tree
monarch qe hood probably has the best shot against this meme? it's probably still inconsistent considering how strong just plainly taking 9% less damage is
modern tree
makes monarch shoot faster
dull hollow
doenst matter
monarch with FCR alrady shoots twice before 2nd fox launch
centaur gives team more utility and damage
hood needs a 2nd FCR to be on par with centaur
modern tree
you can do that with 410 and you probably have hoodgun so yeah I believe you
dull hollow
because then both ships can fire twice
before fox launch
important to note is that monarch's 2nd shelling catches centaur's buff
and if she got chunked
even her debuff
so ur 2nd volley is pretty gross
monarch actually pretty annoying to deal with on defense
you need yukikaze and junny or ur just stuck praying lmao
modern tree
I still think that pushing through Hyuuga is gonna be easier than through Hiryuu kai, someone thought that giving a ship that gets 15 seconds invulnerablity with extra strike Enterprise stats and efficencies is a good idea, thats before nagato buff
dull hollow
yeah it's definitely a comp to be on the lookout for that's for sure
lots of new things changing
all IJN
modern tree
wasd with amagi just for the protection is probably competitive against everything that isnt NAmagi + something
dull hollow
hmm
will have to see
FW lets u abuse suicide strat
which amagi is really happy about
modern tree
its probably gonna just end up being Nagato release, the great sequel, where people have to play it or just reset until they get lucky, oh well
dull hollow
amagi's target selection is vastly improved
as long as
one frontline is dead
i dont think amagi is nearly as onesided as nagato
and EN will never have to face nagato without a solution
since you guys got FW super early
FW is really strong into nagaka
as long as you play suicide strat
modern tree
what is the strat exactly?
dull hollow
put squishy ships as frontline
have them die asap
FW trades very poorly when both frontlines are a live
FW also only comp that can survive backline abuse uncut
so the best option is to get rid of your frontline
within reason
idealy u want them to die right after
the first nakaga strike
modern tree
right, so you just want to trade some blows, have your front die off and your BB aux wipe their front so you can shell the shit out of them, could have figured
dull hollow
yah
but if u try that strat vs HMS
FW's naturally low damage ends up getting exposed
FW is just super strong into nagaka
everything else...
not so much
modern tree
Amagi might help because flat 10% evasion rate and fire damage reduction on top of just 9% flat offensive stat reduction for every enemy ship
modern tree
I mean, this ship feels designed to fuck with pvp, so here we have it, its fucking with pvp
odd schooner
Basically plastic bottle frontline works
Jintsuu aurora ayanami
Then suicide strats
strange shuttle
what does fw refer to?
dull hollow
against BBs i sometimes put her on the side
vague token
x is the flex slot
dull hollow
suicide style is self explanatory tho why she's mid
vague token
which could be amagi
strange shuttle
i dont like juneaou, over used
dull hollow
enjoy not being forced to use her while it lasts 
i too was on the anti-junny boat
many moons ago
odd schooner
Lmao
silver folio
thats one of the best def fleets u can set in EN
show me what u think is "hard" then
silver folio
ok we done
silver folio
?? that fleet is even easier
odd schooner
Trying out suicide strats starting today
Elana, any fleet with enterprise is free points on fox and hms fleets
silver folio
usually true but not on proper WASD esp if enty has beaver
aurora and leander died to stupid torping shit pre 10s
and i sniped out enterprise everytime too, that fleet is just on the spectrum
odd schooner
Beaver won't matter since they literally die in less than 40s
silver folio
no, the beaver is top revent enterprise from being sniped out
silver folio
ya
if u dont snipe out enterprise u lose p much
i play foxes exclusively and they cant soak an enetrprise launch
odd schooner
No no, you kill off Washington and everyone dies in less than 40s.
silver folio
washington has t oo much innate hp and AA to snipe out naturally
odd schooner
If it procs iron bottom sound, +5 or more
silver folio
u have to snipe out enterprise not washy
odd schooner
silver folio
trust me, ive done testing on all 3 targets
even sodak
priority is enterprise, washy, then sodak
odd schooner
Who am i going to snipe if she's already dead before 10
silver folio
???
odd schooner
silver folio
lvl 1 washy? cuz u cannot kill a backliner like that in realistic settings
azure aurora
vague token
that's pretty scary lol
azure aurora
Glass canon vanguard and wasd is hell
vague token
can we get 120 CAs yet xD
if we dont get port kai, i have a feeling Minn will probably be the more reliable MGM+1 tanky CA
elder crane
Wait a sec, no E on def (or some other means of countering E) means offensive E will have a field day
odd schooner
It's ok to have an E day than a 40s match 
odd schooner
Day 1 of testing. ikuzo 
silver folio
ikuzo?
slow totem
“Let’s go” in Weeb language.
slow totem
N A N I ?!
silver folio
Day 1 of testing ikuzo
vague token
maxing amagi is gonna take a while with 3 skills lol
odd schooner
15 days + 12-15 hours
vague token
reee
odd schooner
vague token
kinda want to use oxy torp on her though
for kicks
xD
are all of her torps in her barrage aligned with her main fleet opponent?
or do some of them whiff on their own
foggy token
random
vague token
oh ok
foggy token
depends on target
odd schooner
It reaches backline?
vague token
no idea lol
ive just been grinding exp in pve
and i saw her torps go straight forwrd
with like a bit of space
following her gun wave
she was in top slot
silver folio
i feel the same way but ppl like to shit on enty
foggy token
i dont think thats gonna be too much of concern in en tho, cuz people use hood and it works
silver folio
nah i think hood is objectively worse
and plays no role in wasd
@foggy token theres suicide wasdwith amagi tho
foggy token
yeah amagi will replace hood in pvp. she offers more tactical advantage than hood
foggy token
i didnt compare the damage of hood and amagi barrage do on backline.
silver folio
hood AA is not as garbage, if that matters
and amagis barrage doesntg get cd redux on wasd
foggy token
so are you gonna run wasd amagi?
foggy token
imo, in current en state, the fleet that will get most out of amagi is akaga.
silver folio
yeah but i cant take out enty
silver folio
vague token
lol
odd schooner
Elana getting bullied by aris even here
silver folio
bulied bcuz ppl wont see the truth and admit enterprise is the best ship!!
ENTERPRISE OP NERF ELDRIDGE
silver folio
??
azure aurora
Sometimes rng kill me
azure aurora
Strong kaga
foggy token
did that hood barrage never proc or something
azure aurora
silver folio
run both lucky E and eldirdge, never lose cuz OP ships
azure aurora
Quick strike crane ?
silver folio
ya
azure aurora
Thats weird crane
silver folio
i modified em
silver folio
lel
azure aurora
100% legit
foggy token
its like you married their body but not their soul
silver folio
azure aurora
When you cant move on from your ex
Or when you really want someone else waifu
That zuikaku is crazy
run
silver folio
silver folio
♿
modern tree
I always sleep through people trying to convince others Enterprise ain't shit while I sit here with my maxed HMS and sometimes just lose because she magically survived 2 rounds of shooting and now it's time to owari die
silver folio
people who think enterprise isnt good
are talking shit
trying to be hipsters or smth
enterprise is always a wildcard u cant discount
modern tree
I mean, I appreciate that there's a way to beat it with more than 50% winrates but really
silver folio
if u have to change ur whole lineup to accomodate a ship
seems like its a pretty good ship 👍
slow totem
Juneau: You called?
odd schooner
slow totem
♿ Jesus ♿
modern tree
Go away Juneau, I don't want to use you before people learn how to use you
silver folio
juneau ♿
slow totem
”Shitkikans keep sending PTSD patient to Battle”
silver folio
real exodia is juneau
modern tree
Warspite retrofit waiting room
foggy token
i activated my trap card
slow totem
“MYOUKOU’S BULGE!!”
vague token
oh god
silver folio
searchal myoukou
hidden wyvernBOT
lime rivet
@silver folio oh shit is that your pvp fleet on avrora?
silver folio
she carried me through EX, im happy
modern tree
I used Portland like a normal person
twilit trail
Hi what's the order of skills to level for amagi in pvp?
modern tree
Uhh, probably yellow blue red, but also probably want all of them at 7 before dumping time to get them to 10
Cuz getting all of them to 10 is like over 2 weeks but all to 7 should be 5 ish dsys
azure aurora
Why not red first? That barrage is good
modern tree
I mean
twilit trail
Is the debuff better than the burn reduce/eva in terms of survival?
silver folio
i think t3 book carries u to lvl 3-4 iirc
modern tree
Her niche is sort of being a defensive boat
modern tree
And yellow applies to whole fleet and not just back
silver folio
the yellow is whnat makes amagi amagi
silver folio
actualy kinda ridiculous
ggraf cries in corner
graf 1 useless skill,, amagi 3 useful ones
modern tree
It's really not kinda ridiculous, it's plain dumb how now we get boats with 3 skills and all of them are about equally useful
silver folio
it is ridiculous
modern tree
Give Warspite a gun
azure aurora
IJN bias ?
silver folio
always ijn biased
twilit trail
Fox bias?
silver folio
ijn was always meta in pvp
azure aurora
/wiki amagi
strange moatBOT
silver folio
when washingotn was broken they actualyl nerfed it lmao
not for ijn though, nagato can break all she wants
azure aurora
Nerf it ?
silver folio
yeah north carolina was gutted
she used to have synergy with sodak
now its just a generic buff
that d oesnt scale with fp gear
that removed nocal entirely, but enterprise was a decent replacement
modern tree
I think NorCal being nerfed might have been motivated by W12 and not pvp performance, don't quote me on that tho
silver folio
??
modern tree
Planes, man
silver folio
... her AA got improved with the change
silver folio
gained flat 20% fper buff when sodak in fleet, reduce sodaks damage taken by 10%
very strong for pvp
then they removed that and gave her the generic AA skill
twilit trail
Ooh that's sounds way better than aa skill
silver folio
which is actually worse because now it doesnt scale anymore (no one stacks radars)
yeah she got a lot worse
for pvp
azure aurora
20% fp
twilit trail
I always thought the aa skill was weird cos I don't use radars
azure aurora
silver folio
20% FP that SCALED with gear is insane
twilit trail
Too bad nocal is such a qt
silver folio
the AA skill is hella weird
its a direct nerf
u lost so much fper from all the fleet buffs and gear, which was so juicy
it did make her better in non-sodak comps though
silver folio
ari the scaling is entirely different
ur converting from AA stat to fp stat
fp everyone stacks and u get a ton from gear
twilit trail
I dunno feels like she isn't really the default bb in pve
foggy token
nc is same cost as other ssr bbs
twilit trail
But you don't use her in pvp too
silver folio
thats right, u dont use nocal in g eneral anymore
twilit trail
Rip
azure aurora
No barrage is huge turn off
silver folio
shes a substandard pvp ship, even against 3 CV fleets
modern tree
Bbs in pve are too competitive to use generic no barrage boats that aren't Trptz
silver folio
i wasted my books
foggy token
let me dig up nc lv100 stats
modern tree
And her niche in pvp doesn't really exist because flank defense is a better skill and it's easier to compromise on a frontline than backline
foggy token
lets see 368 aa without equipments
silver folio
BB 45 fp
secondary gun, another 25/35 FP
modern tree
AA guns exist
foggy token
total 45, i added that already
silver folio
dont u have
modern tree
Ah, fair