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slow totem
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She has Tubercoloship

silver folio
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Akagi... her growth seems to be beyond expectations, huh?

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šŸ¤”

bitter escarp
slow totem
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I REJECT MY CARRIER REFIT. AKAGIIIII!!!

bitter escarp
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fuckkkk why can’t the bunny retros come out so I can bench the foxes rEeEE

slow totem
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Cranes exist

silver folio
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^

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superior carriers already exist

slow totem
silver folio
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u waiting for kai when perfection already exists

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smh

bitter escarp
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I already used Enty cranes as my defense fleet for a season, I need to change things up

slow totem
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Hyuuga Cranes

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:wesmart

silver folio
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do cranes enty

bitter escarp
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Did cranes Enty as well by putting zuikaku as the flagship

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Hood cranes next I guess?

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Amagi cranes?

slow totem
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Slow Clap

silver folio
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hood cranes

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amagi cranes

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fox cranes

bitter escarp
slow totem
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Level 100 Bulins Cranes

bitter escarp
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Hiryuu cranes

silver folio
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someone said in cn that

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rabbits nagato was the comp to beat

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need to confirm that though

bitter escarp
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I want Cranes retrofits

native mantle
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i want akaga retrofit xP

subtle whale
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rip pvp forever

vague token
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iowa class ship when xD

slow totem
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I’ve found the Prodigy.

bitter escarp
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a non retro z23

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The prodigy

slow totem
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ZA PURODIGA

jolly sandal
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1000 IQ

vague token
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imagine if they released bismarck and an iowa class with a USS leader skill

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at the same time

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max troll power

jolly sandal
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Imagine if they deleted pvp

vague token
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id be sad but it wouldnt be that huge

slow totem
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ā€œPhil Swift: Bismarck deals OHKO damage to Hood.ā€

vague token
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xD

jolly sandal
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"I sawed this boat in half!" - Bismarck Swift

slow totem
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@jolly sandal RIP my 4 Extra Purins per month

vague token
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i should probably buy some more for the new ships lol

coral wren
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Bismark should have leader skill so that kms wouldn’t be utter shit in pvp

slow totem
vague token
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what kind of leader skill would be enough to make kms good but not overwhelming like nagato

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xD

coral wren
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hms?

vague token
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i meant kms

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xD

coral wren
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oh

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50% stat boost

vague token
azure aurora
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Make it 100%

coral wren
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and even than it won't be enough, lol

dry socket
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Z1's your answer (for now)
honestly a decent buff rather than a 50% or 100% stat increase

coral wren
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kms needs retrofits if anything i think

dry socket
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^

azure aurora
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Cant even bring tirpz if Bismarck available

dry socket
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if you lack the buff, that's a useless skill and all

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but Tirpitz's fp is decent enough

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for you to push through

azure aurora
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But stat alone is not enough look at pow

coral wren
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y, pow is a good example

dry socket
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I understand there's more factors to it

bitter escarp
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I had a dopey PoW fleet as my defense fleet for a long time

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It was fun

modern tree
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Define fun on defense

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You don't get to see the games

dry socket
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Nickname all your ships and show em' all

modern tree
dry socket
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that's fun, I suppose

bitter escarp
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It was fun cause people told me that my pow did work

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Pow doing work is fun

modern tree
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Someone actually added me to friends because they lost a pvp game against me and my ship nsmes inspired them

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Really strange experience

bitter escarp
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Intriguing

modern tree
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Friends list should probably have more features than stat check and 20 character chat room

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I could see just challenging your friends defense fleets for the hell of it

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No rewards just fun, testing and flexing

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Maybe with the ui update they keep teasing we will get something cool like that

vague token
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friend/guild raids when

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pvp guild fleets oh boi

azure aurora
vague token
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xD

bitter escarp
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Azur Lane e sports when

azure aurora
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Guild raids maybe, but pvp pure cancer

vague token
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xD

azure aurora
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Sorry

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But must

vague token
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it's fair no worries

coral wren
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collective autism

bitter escarp
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Wait that meme

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That account name

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That’s totally Zeka isn’t it

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Sending this meme to her

azure aurora
slow totem
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I think that guy was deliberately trolling

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I mean come on

native mantle
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i have muted the channel for washingtonc asue of all that shit thats there written

slow totem
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So obvious lol

azure aurora
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Yeah

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No sane person say mikasa > nagato

slow totem
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What got me was the who cares about artwork part and pve being competitive in games

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Obvious troll

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Meh...

azure aurora
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Hey pve really competitive vs rng

slow totem
azure aurora
slow totem
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Also the fact they said Nagato is bad (opticwise assuming artwork) but has Jintsuu as the Secretary

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They’re both the same species my god, troll smarter gdi

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Makes me sad, genuinely

azure aurora
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Artwork one that hurt my nerve

bitter escarp
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Izu that’s 100% Zeka

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I SWEAR

slow totem
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They have Jintsuu as secretary tho, obvious troll right there

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Who cares

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Still a poor attempt at trolling

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Need to troll smarter

coral wren
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Well it is kinda weird to make big seven ship a loli..

azure aurora
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Yeah

coral wren
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all those ijn destroyers aren't enough it seems šŸ˜„ sakura empire, more like loli empire allright eh?

azure aurora
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Or just make them all lolis

slow totem
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You gon’ hav a bad time if you think ship size = Body type strictly

bitter escarp
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I mean Zeka has jintsuu as Secretary cause she spent 2 weeks on her, and she’s always hated Nagato so

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honestly hard to tell at this point

slow totem
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Nah, she said foxes are the best

azure aurora
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Mikasa theme is bull or another oni ?

bitter escarp
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she fucking hates Loligato tho, always has

slow totem
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And her trolling style has always been the ā€œIn your face, look at me, I’m trollingā€

coral wren
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That's why kc has better design šŸ˜„

bitter escarp
slow totem
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šŸ’¤

bitter escarp
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Loligato > KCgato smugBucky

coral wren
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but kinda awful art..

bitter escarp
slow totem
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Forget Nagato, the PvE being competitive and who cares about artwork part already make it obvious, come on

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Don’t forget the elephant in the room

azure aurora
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Not oni

slow totem
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ONI IN THE ROOM

subtle whale
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you can use anything in pve

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except ar cus they are bad hurr

slow totem
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Hurr durr

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Idgaf, Akashi W10 full auto

subtle whale
azure aurora
bitter escarp
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Shhh izu don’t say that, this is a no AR server smugBucky

coral wren
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bullins on w10

subtle whale
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the help police will kill ya

coral wren
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do it šŸ˜„

azure aurora
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I agree ar is not good after danger lv come

slow totem
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My game, my way, are those vets paying my bills? No? exactly

azure aurora
subtle whale
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ar gave me an early jintsuu so i can dab

bitter escarp
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but you might get assassinated by the help police

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I want you to live man

slow totem
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Let them come

bitter escarp
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Ganbaru izu

slow totem
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As long as they don’t pay my bills, I’ll keep using Akashi, currently raising Bestal atm

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I’m Commander Level 92, metaslaving shit gets boring after Level 70

subtle whale
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i like them for world 10 just incase ambush screw me hard

bitter escarp
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how are you higher level than me with 4K less attacks sandyLul

subtle whale
azure aurora
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Cassin downes

slow totem
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I smoke high stuff

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🚬

silver folio
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yeah nagato is a shit ship, just use yorktown tbh

slow totem
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Different class booooo

bitter escarp
azure aurora
slow totem
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Boooooo

bitter escarp
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BOOOO

azure aurora
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Boooo

slow totem
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  • yeah nagato is a shit ship, just use mutsu tbh
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Fixed

bitter escarp
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there we go

slow totem
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That’s a better bait

azure aurora
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Mutsu ?

silver folio
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searchal mutsu

azure aurora
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oh nagato shadow

bitter escarp
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Mutsu costs 1 less oil, confirmed superior

silver folio
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wow shes already better 10/10

subtle whale
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mutsu hav ebeels

slow totem
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Short-haired Nagato
Long-haired Mutsu

subtle whale
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she superior

coral wren
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ew

azure aurora
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Before i tought nagato oath is mutsu

slow totem
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Nagato Oath is Mutsu

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She bamboozle cucked you

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Berry smart

azure aurora
bitter escarp
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Mutsu you madlad

slow totem
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At the wedding night, she kidnapped Nagato then took her place

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Berry cunning

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Level 100 NTR

vague token
silver folio
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NTR

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already getting good

azure aurora
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Ah not this uni ntr again

slow totem
silver folio
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what uni ntr unicornFused
all NTR is good smugBucky

slow totem
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It’s always the younger sister, I swear

silver folio
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its not NTR without mindbreakcorruptionpregnancy

vague token
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šŸš“

azure aurora
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Thot younger sister

subtle whale
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i really like nagato design

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its neat

coral wren
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is it called ntrr or nntr when it's the girl who gets cucked

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funny shit

silver folio
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guys are hypocrites so its never NTR when ur stealing a girl from someone else

slow totem
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Netoreverserare?

coral wren
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y, something like that

slow totem
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#DoujinTerminology101

subtle whale
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wouldnt mutsu good for those lowoil farming when compare to nelson and the other one

silver folio
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if a guy gets stolen thats not NTR amirite just blame the other girl for not being hot enough

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easy doujin logic šŸ‘Œ

slow totem
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Mutsu is End-Game Erebus

azure aurora
coral wren
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eh, probably jsut a reverse ntr

azure aurora
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Not my fault

slow totem
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Yeah, that’s Mutsu alright

silver folio
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end=game erebus, already broken

subtle whale
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i should prob raise erebus

slow totem
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Shiet

silver folio
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erebus already OP now u gotta improve on her

slow totem
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Not even mad, that’s amazing

silver folio
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y u gotta break the game

subtle whale
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that nagato you uncultued swines

slow totem
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High level cuck

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That’s totally Mutsu

subtle whale
slow totem
subtle whale
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what if mutsuki is the single cell ship where all ships comes from

slow totem
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Ain’t that Cubes?

supple stratus
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Mutsuki basis of ship tree line

subtle whale
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cubes are mutsuki

azure aurora
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What if? Thats fact

supple stratus
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She can become Akagi, Taco, Ataco, more

subtle whale
supple stratus
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Kitsurugi becomes Kaga, Maya, Poi, Hiryuu?

slow totem
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We Digimon now

subtle whale
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so she the freelancer?

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but freelancer are busted

azure aurora
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This is more weird than room 2 lex

vague token
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i got lost a while back

slow totem
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Now that I... think about it

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Nagato isn’t that much of a loli

azure aurora
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From mutsu ntr to mutsuki tree line

slow totem
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She just seems short cause her rigging is ultra big

silver folio
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ppl call QE a loli and thats like a super stretch

subtle whale
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yeah

azure aurora
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QE flat teen

slow totem
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Yeah, QE being a loli is also super stretchy, borderline maybe

azure aurora
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Super flat

slow totem
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She’s just flat-chested rip

subtle whale
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i mean

supple stratus
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QE is elongated flatboard

silver folio
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then again i dont consider unicorn a loli

subtle whale
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ark royal doesnt attracted to qe

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she a loli detector

slow totem
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Ark Royal is actually Destroyercon, not Lolicon, weird

silver folio
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unicorn is more a thot pretending to be a loli imo

slow totem
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She likes Ayanami and Cygnet too

subtle whale
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will alter royal likes oneesan?

slow totem
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And those are definitely not lolis

silver folio
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yeah ayanami is def not loli

subtle whale
silver folio
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cygnet is just thicknet

azure aurora
subtle whale
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oh she destroyercon

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alter royal

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evil ark royal

slow totem
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Alter Royal is BBcon

silver folio
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we need an adult destroyercon to prove the theory

subtle whale
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the one form the cruncyroll vid

supple stratus
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What about the Submarines and Albacore

silver folio
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well

slow totem
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They liek swimsuits

silver folio
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albacore is banned, we cant discuss that here smugBucky

subtle whale
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taihou likes albacore

azure aurora
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Ark royal afraid of sub

subtle whale
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but does she like sandwiches

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maybe alter royal will make ark royal show her serious side or something

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they havent gone to that route yet

azure aurora
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Or make her more pervert

slow totem
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If you are a tall guy, like average white guy, Nagato is a loli, I agree

azure aurora
silver folio
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tbh

subtle whale
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bbcon

silver folio
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i thought most ppl playing this wewre asians

slow totem
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But if you’re average Eastern Asian height, she’s not really

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Well of course, this is a Chinese game

azure aurora
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Not most

slow totem
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If we count all servers

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Thiccest playerbase would be in Asia

subtle whale
slow totem
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But just EN, I dunno

silver folio
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i just assume everyone is a chinese commie unless otherwise stated, tbh smugBucky

subtle whale
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EN have alot of asia

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i can confirm

slow totem
silver folio
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EN server is pretty much SEA server with how much whining goes on

subtle whale
azure aurora
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That wacist entyLUL

subtle whale
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i agree

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am a SEA player

silver folio
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not sure whats up with SEA but they always need to state they're from SEA and whatnot lol

subtle whale
slow totem
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Doesn’t that apply to Merica too?

azure aurora
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Nope

slow totem
silver folio
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no i actually dont know many americans

subtle whale
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btw yukikaze and fortune stack right

azure aurora
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Only rusian

slow totem
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ā€œGreetings from <Insert State here>ā€

azure aurora
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But i don't understand

slow totem
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Seen that so many times

azure aurora
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Dota word

slow totem
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Cyka!!

azure aurora
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Blyat

slow totem
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Spek Ruski, I no spek London

azure aurora
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At this point my friend and i use that for greeting

vague token
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lol

slow totem
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So if you two are separated in the crowd

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You can shout CYKA!!!

azure aurora
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Yep

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My life

slow totem
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Then your friend replies with BLYAT!!

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Ez radar

silver folio
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implying ppl arent speaking russian in london already

slow totem
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Oh shet

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It won’t work in Moscow tho

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But no method is perfect

silver folio
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speak english, its a better radar now sandyMeme

azure aurora
slow totem
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MARCO

azure aurora
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Trivago

vague token
azure aurora
slow totem
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You fk up!

azure aurora
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Thx

slow totem
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šŸØ

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....nah

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šŸ©

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Now that’s more like it

coral wren
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implying ppl arent speaking russian in london already
they probably speak arabic or hindi there šŸ˜„

slow totem
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English is spoken everywhere else in the world

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Balances out. :D

azure aurora
slow totem
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Actually legit

azure aurora
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No more f up

subtle whale
native mantle
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nice i stopped the fight before i lost but it counted as lost.....just sad

azure aurora
native mantle
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lets jsut hope i not fucked everything upo with that 2 loses

azure aurora
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Don't worry i miss 10 battle prev season

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Still got gensui

native mantle
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gensui?

azure aurora
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Fleet admiral?

native mantle
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ah k

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its my first time I'm major now

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ahh no rear admiral lower half was it where i need to be <1000

hybrid obsidian
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i missed 6 tix last season n barely got gensui sniping at each reset, how d u make it w 10 thinkpitz

slow totem
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very precise sniping at incredible hihg speed

azure aurora
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Yes aim for +12

odd schooner
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The first 5 minutes gotta go fast sniping

slow totem
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Hmmmmmm...

coral wren
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very old art old art and what do we have now?

modern tree
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Its Essex becoming Jean Bart

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Or something

coral wren
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ah

slow totem
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HENSHIN

lone pendant
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hmmmm

modern tree
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I found this interesting

native mantle
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@modern tree difference between left and right?

modern tree
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None, they're just listed this way

native mantle
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whats that dog in that T-1?

modern tree
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It's a meme I don't quite understand

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But probably hiryuu

native mantle
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hm i thought taihou eventualy

modern tree
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I mean, she could work in that spot too. I will try to read it when I get home, unless someone that actually speaks the language drops in here before that

gritty cove
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Idk why but I thought it'd be Mikasa

native mantle
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so that "rank" above T0 is just listed as a meme?

modern tree
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I think it's listed seriously because HMS never had a business being t0 on cn which means they're probably dealing with the top fleet at least to some degree, suddenly making them t0

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That's how metas work laffeyDrink

native mantle
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who is that in the 3th T1 row on the right side between belfast and QE?

real notch
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oh hey lookit that

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wasd + amagi is listed as T0.5

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guess i was right about my theorycrafting the other day

modern tree
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Sheffield @native mantle

real notch
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but surprisingly how they would rate HMS higher than nagafox

pastel forge
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iirc left one is for atk right one for def

modern tree
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Oh, cool

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Makes sense

pastel forge
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most surprising to me is the amount of Helena tbh

real notch
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in the lower tiers yeae

modern tree
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Also Juneau tank in every comp

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Zzz

real notch
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40%+ dmg at 20sec is always good

modern tree
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Sodak with 406 focused assault and wash barrage on Helena proc is still really dangerous

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EN has too much Enterprise for it to be consistent tho

native mantle
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lucky E+helena can be extremly dangerous too

pastel forge
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I suppose when eldridge is completely out of meta some stuff will be back to being really strong

modern tree
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Enterprise is barely ran on cn if this is their meta, which makes a lot of powerful things open due to not being fucked with by straight rng

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Unfortunately en has just barely enough power to deal with her consistently so she's still the most used crutch

coral wren
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hm...

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i was told doy>monarch

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that t3 tho šŸ˜„

modern tree
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Dork is probably not fast or durable enough compared to Monarch. In our meta Dork would wipe the floor with most things, they have Nagato

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Alright, so I apparently doge means you can put anything in there that is IJN and it will work and the tier it is listed is 论外 which is roughly STRONGER THAN EVERYTHING

native mantle
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can ya take that serious?

modern tree
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the explanation is that any backliner that will trigger Amagi faster shot just makes the fleet ridiculous

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obviously there are probably better and worse picks so Hyuuga, Hiryuu, Taihou maybe BB Kaga will work better than just any IJN but this is the meta we live in

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or rather

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they live in

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we are going to be experiencing it post nagato

native mantle
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i wonder which changes it will be with amagi

modern tree
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oh, you can easily tell

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see the fleet at T0.5? Thats the future until research/nagato

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wasd amagi

native mantle
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and without washi?

modern tree
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you cry

native mantle
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wait that wouldn't work. we don't have that PR frontliner

modern tree
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Louis is not necesary, EN has plenty of boats that can fill in one vanguard slot with being tanky and dealing damage, like Belfast or something

native mantle
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so akagami should work until nagato hits

modern tree
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I do not know how capable it is and its hard to tell based on actual 0 experience we have playing it on EN coupled with servers that have her having much better tools and not really bothering to run that

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wedontknow

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wasd amagi is a thing, we know that, and its reasonably strong according to chinesee, we also know that

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not much else

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Also from more exciting pvp news, they hinted on Warspite getting "something" I can't really read so better start leveling your HMS in case Warspite pulls a Sandy considering they are about the same level of meme. https://twitter.com/azurlane_staff/status/1082585166097215490

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I need to stop talking to myself

real notch
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just found the perfect wasd fleet with jintsuu, aurora, ayanami

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it's maxed too Sugoi

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Equipoise (south dakota, enterprise, washington | jintsuu, ayanami, aurora) 13.2/13.0
current fleet (akagi, kaga, enterprise | belfast, jintsuu, aurora) 12.5/13.0

Foxes vs WASD

game 1 - win
Game 2 - win
Game 3 - win
Game 4 - win
Game 5 - win
Game 6 - win
Game 7 - win
Game 8 - loss
Game 9 - win
Game 10 - win
Game 11 - win
Game 12 - win
Game 13 - win
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had good results from my testing

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there's one last fleet type i need to test against, and if my theories are correct, 3CV should lose big time to

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which is HMS

modern tree
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good luck finding those

real notch
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which sort of results in another rock-paper scissors meta

modern tree
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also, which frontline could hms even run to not get slaughtered by 3cv on offense

real notch
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if opponent has...
wasd ? --> run 3CV
3CV ? --> run HMS
HMS? --> run WASD

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idk i feel like HMS vanguards are beefy af

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especially with belfast, in the few un-maxed HMS fleets i fought, all 3 survived

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after 1st airstrike

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but against this wasd fleet, his entire vanguard would just get wiped after 13 seconds

modern tree
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Aurora has juneau tier meme AA buffed by QE so with belfast they might be pretty tough I guess

real notch
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ye

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i need someone to fight my fleet MeguDead

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to test if my foxes wipe VG on 1st strike

modern tree
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I can often tank like one lucky e with no issues with destron but I dont think E foxes would have tough time breaking that after E strike and not wiping vanguard with just Akaga is not really a lose condition unless mgms land on a fox enough to slay her before second strike.... so maybe its a lose condition

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it should really be more about your vg surviving to tank the BB shots tho

real notch
#

yeah, ur right, the biggest loss condition for twinfox in any comp is 1 dying before 2nd strike

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which seems super possible especially with HMS offense

modern tree
#

Its possible but with maxed HMS one shotting a fox with just barrage + warspite is not really a thing that happens, they live with about 20% hp unless they get hit with at least one more volley from any of the bbs

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and thats on offense

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then again

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I guess warspite will shoot twice before 2nd strike?

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so maybe you are screwed on just hood barrage

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believe it or not but I have not seen good fox fleet in forever

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I actually dont know the timings by heart, Hood with gold fcr might also shoot twice before 2nd strike since its like 15+16 if she got barrage on first shot

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maybe you are screwed against good fleet

real notch
#

uhh i'm not too familiar with hood timings either

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but fox 1st strike has about an 8 second lead on 410mm?

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because 12sec --> 19sec

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not sure, i'll do the calcs later

modern tree
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Hood is 15 on first shot and 18 on second without barrage, with barrage it increases her reload and cuts it to 16

real notch
#

yea roughy 18-19 sec before HFCR

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so maybe AquaThonk

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based on your calcs it's 15+16 = 31

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fox 2nd strike is 13+23 = 36

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though i'm not sure hood barrage is cut to 16

modern tree
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it is

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it fires one second after second warspite shot

real notch
#

oo ok that makes sense then

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then yea probably

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dead fox by 4:28

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that's why i put my enterprise on the side

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so hopefully HMS fleets will snipe her instead

modern tree
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I guess it really is about killing the vanguard before enterprise strike to put enough pressure on the backline

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the thing is

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that hood shooting this fast and proccing barrages a lot

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makes it so she end up timing 3rd and 4th barrage with lucky es so if QE is dead there is going to be no damage on enterpirise

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so just having her not sniped will probably win you games on its own because lul E

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or lose them if you are bad at rng

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its all rng

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this matchup is just 70% chances

sour oasis
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I am terribad at rng

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Is this accounting for magnet missiles that moved past vanguard?

modern tree
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hitting back with torps makes HMS even better yes, but also its hard to judge how much impact it will have because its random and strongly dependent on whcih side you are on

clear fox
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I play only a few times a day, less than 5 so I'm not planning to think to deep about fleet lines up

dull elm
#

oof

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tbh cant do much with that

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just attack weakest enemies possible at this point

clear fox
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I used to do Enty, Tirp, random CV : Z23 kai, Portland Indy

dull elm
#

u have Washington by any chance?

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or Akagi/Kaga

clear fox
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Yeah that's what I'm doing, but I tend to encounter more and more ppl by my lvl,
and nah I don't have Washy sadly + I'm grinding 3-4 rn, but still no akaga

dull elm
#

another tip if you dont know

clear fox
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yeah ?

dull elm
#

u can pause battle

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and exit

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and try again

clear fox
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oh ? so i don't get the loose?

dull elm
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if u about to lose

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yeah

clear fox
#

ooooh, nice tips thanks man
I play since about a month, so tips like these are truly appreciated

dull elm
#

just build up your fleet

clear fox
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I see

dull elm
#

at some point u may go to 3-4 and farm for Akagi/Kaga(merci on your souls) since they gonna be meta

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*cancer meta in pvp

clear fox
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xD ok, but I gotta grind toolboxes at the same time so it's ok for now, just a dozen of runs for 1-2 toolboxes.
Anyway, imma play PvP

dull elm
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yeah

clear fox
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is DEsuland good in Pv P?

dull elm
#
  • some merit
clear fox
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ooh, ok then !

dull elm
#

heavy cruisers at the moment are terrible

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for pvp at least

clear fox
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are they ? haven't they been reworked ? I saw that somewhere

dull elm
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its gonna change whne we have 120 LV cap

clear fox
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oh yeah that's it, lvl cap mb

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is Prinz Eugen usefull in PvP, as she does 0 damage but is she tanky enough ?

dull elm
#

no

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shes terrible in general

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bad damage and high oil cost

clear fox
#

I see... and so I'll stay with Z23+Portland, but for the 3rd one should I put a tank there or another DPS ?

dull elm
#

idk if she even decent at lv 120

lofty smelt
#

Heavies are ez kills

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What light cruisers do you have?

clear fox
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Cleve and Ajax (not fully) Kai

lofty smelt
#

I didn't scroll up far enough oops

dull elm
#

use cleve i guess

clear fox
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I have Belfast, but still no Belgun !

dull elm
#

in pvp you main fleet are really the ones that do the damage

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*heavy damage

clear fox
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I see, then I'll swap CAs for Cleve in PvE

dull elm
#

i guess your enterprise can actually carry you a lot at this point

clear fox
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OUI, she's MVP everytime

lofty smelt
#

Max that skill and enjoy free wins ez clap

dull elm
#

btw were you around when the Fallen wings event started?

clear fox
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xD nice, but idk who should I out as the third main wheel lol, I have Enty + Tirp

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nah ! I joined during NepNep event

lofty smelt
#

But what other people said really, fleet comp won't help much when things aren't level 100 or close

dull elm
#

oh well then save up your merits and for 20000 merits get Eldridge from shop

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and lv up her skill

lofty smelt
#

Eldridge and Illustrious will do you some wonders

clear fox
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mmh

#

I have Lusty, so Enty Tirp and Illust ?

lofty smelt
#

Since you can't do wash + south dakota

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Enty/Hood/Lusty would be a good backline. Helena/Eldgridge/Belfast would be a good vanguard since they're obtainable

clear fox
#

Lexington or Illust then ? last question lol

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I have both Helena and Belf

lofty smelt
#

Tirpitz replacing hood for now that is I suppose

clear fox
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yup

lofty smelt
#

Definitely use lusty over lex

clear fox
#

OK ! and is Vestal even used in PvE ?

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oh

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smh I lvled her to 50*

lofty smelt
#

Repair ships don't really have a use until late chapters, but even then it's mostly just Akashi warShrug

clear fox
#

what about Ayaya in PvP ?

lofty smelt
#

She's good, but still dies easy and does nothing outside of torp

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Really good for a torp squad of Jintsuu/Aya Kai/Aurora

clear fox
#

is Fubuki usually used with Ayaya ?

dull elm
#

juneau is also good if you like being sadistic persom

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that heal can be super op

clear fox
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mmh

lofty smelt
#

Juneau is kind of niche imo, but she heals your team. That heal has really never come in important in matches for me personally

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You have 4/6 for the second one with Eldridge just being a shop grab

modern tree
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is "niche" of juneau being used in every pvp fleet forever once we are at lvl 120

clear fox
#

I currently have Z23, Cleve and Ajax lined up, but wouldn't it be better to change Cleve for Ajax (in both PvE and PvP) to match the Destruction skill timing ?

lofty smelt
#

But that's 120 Daxam kappa

modern tree
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its gonna be sooner than you think

dull elm
lofty smelt
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I don't think Ajax will do you much good in pvp Gredin

clear fox
#

offtopic question, how to get Ayaya's skin dress ?

lofty smelt
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Oath her

clear fox
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oh ok so Z23, Cleve and Helena ?

lofty smelt
#

For now that will probably be your best squad with current levels, but do definitely raise some others specifically for pvp

dull elm
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yeah for pvp you want to have ships with skills that benefit the whole fleet. No place for selfish ships

clear fox
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well, they'll always be usefull later anyway so I can lvl up pvp ships and use them in PvE... I'm only w6

dull elm
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at some you gonna get Belfast if you get her raise her up

clear fox
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I already do

dull elm
#

oh

clear fox
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ye ye

lofty smelt
#

Belfast is really good all around for pvp/pve

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Raise bellFast

clear fox
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mmh I see

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so can I just forget about Portland and Indy ?

dull elm
#

you really need Belfast against Akagi/Kaga fleets or youre eaten alive very fast

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yeah for pvp theire not good

lofty smelt
#

And if anyone didn't mention yet, you can leave match if you're about to lose and reset

clear fox
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yeah they've informed me, thank you !

dull elm
#

also getting better equipment and upgrading them gonna make a big difference

clear fox
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yeah, I have to get belgun asap

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is Chicago good enough ? They say she's T1 CA

modern tree
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for pve

clear fox
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oh I see

modern tree
#

CAs that are useable in pvp require to be tanky and have mgm+1 pmuch, Portland and Minneapolis are like the only ones that I can say could work without testing it from EN pool atm

clear fox
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oh ok

modern tree
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and could is probably giving them a lot of credit

clear fox
modern tree
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they need to be babysat by pretty much entire vanguard and thats eeeggggughthhh

dull elm
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also gredin dont pay attention to tier lists

lofty smelt
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Put Z23 in the middle

dull elm
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they are bait

clear fox
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aight Z23 right in the middle

dull elm
#

i see see these dumbasses all the time who throw in T0 ships in pvp

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but are together useless

clear fox
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free victory, what are you complaining about ?

modern tree
#

Lusty is no good, you will need something that hits harder than this, like saratoga or ranger

clear fox
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ew wait i'll take a ss

dull elm
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ik but im telling you not to go the dumbass route u dig?

clear fox
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those are my main ships

lofty smelt
#

Lusty is good with Eldridge though. warShrug

modern tree
#

do you see eldridge there?

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I dont

lofty smelt
#

Still leveling for that tho

modern tree
#

put Lexington instead of Illustrous, shes just not flat Saratoga

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should serve you alright for the time being

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just to ger merits

dull elm
#

do some event build tomorrow it should include heavy pool i think? so u can maybe get some good backline ships

modern tree
#

if you seriously consider pvp, get Queen Elizabeth and build a fleet around her because she doesnt compromise your pve capacity like a lot of other pvp efficent lineups do

#

Enterprise will never go out of style

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level your things and you should be fine to farm merits

clear fox
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yeah I have prepared my cubes, I've never got this many on my hand, about 90

elder crane
#

Yep, as I thought it might, WASDA is apparently a thing (turns out -45% reload time for first shot isn't that important to have), and there's the what I found somewhat surprising Nagato/Amagi/Hiryuu Combo (though not yet relevant in EN)
Amagi is also a decent sub for Nagato for Foxes, while we wait for Nagato

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I suppose she's also another option for the flex slot of HMS while we wait on better HMS ships, given how she supposedly works well with WASD

modern tree
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HMS does not really have flex slots. Enterprise exists and she would take priority over almost any ship on EN as a "flex" pick. Rodney/Nelson probably easily outgun Amagi with QE buffs and while their big 7 is a big meme compared to Nagato's, it still pressures the frontline a damn lot which is a pretty good win condition for not yet realized hms dream, which is strong offense. Some damage resistance on a moderately fragile boat with no AA might not really be worth it for the Royal Navy just because of the nature of the fleet and its goals. If you could play HMS and make her fire fast then maybe.

finite valve
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also just another food for thought is that WASD > nagato / amagi / bunny so don't use her for def fleet cus WASD going to rekt your shit if you not careful

silver folio
#

I only care about offense fleets tbh

azure aurora
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Not really care about def fleet

finite valve
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pretty sure offense = use whatever lol

slow totem
#

It’s actually the other way around, Phantom

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Defense = Use Whatever Lul

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Offense = Gotta think of something if you want that sweet 2500 merits

real notch
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he says defense is not meaningful in the context of winning from the perspective of an offense fleet

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and i agree

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but if u really wanna give ur opponent a hard time crafting a defense fleet is much harder than crafting an offense fleet

slow totem
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Oh yeah @real notch I forgot to screenshot damn it, but Cygnet/Leander’s opening smokescreen works reliably against Torp Memes.

real notch
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oh nice thinkderp

slow totem
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Just faced a Jintsuu Ayaya Aurora fleet now, LeanderXD’s chad smokescreen enabled Belfast to eat almost all of the opening torps with half health remaining

real notch
#

what fleetpower was the VG?

slow totem
#

13k with full oath

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Torp Memes have high numbers for some reason

real notch
#

nice

slow totem
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No headache resetting = Good enough for me

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Might not be for you tho, hopefully you’ll find one to test LeanderXD’s chad smokescreen yourself

real notch
#

well if u wanna avoid resetting

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just run the same fleet as him

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mikuXD you'll win out due to 20% attack

slow totem
#

That’s doubling down on the torp RNG resetting!

real notch
#

but how reliable is leander tho

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have u tested it

odd schooner
slow totem
#

Basically my answer

real notch
slow totem
#

LeanderXD ☁

real notch
#

rely on torp RNG drakeno
Rely on leander EVA RNG drakeyea

slow totem
#

LeanderXD’s RNG best RNG LeanderXD GWqlabsArmRight

idle python
#

also to the person who said wasd is good vs nagato amagi

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not rly

odd schooner
slow totem
real notch
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nothing is good against nagamon amagi hiryuu

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lol

#

that fleet is fuckin busted from the replays i've seen

idle python
#

with wasd ent

#

enty essex centaur probably has the best matchup

slow totem
#

Must be Hiryuu Kai or just Hiryuu?

idle python
#

same fleet comp as the one in the other vid

odd schooner
#

Does wasd monarch have a chance

azure aurora
#

Kai one

slow totem
#

To be ā€œYostar you broke the game againā€ tier

azure aurora
#

Last time is nagato right ? Now hiryuu kai

idle python
#

1 win 9 losses LeanderXD

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with nakaga I had 3 wins 4 losses

real notch
#

nani

idle python
#

keep in mind no one is married on my offense

real notch
#

izumo

azure aurora
#

Ah our jesus

#

Still legit even after lv 120

idle python
#

obv there can be stuff changed on my fleet to make it a bit better like saint louis

real notch
#

yea

idle python
#

but the premise is wasd doesn't rly have a good matchup vs nagato amagi

slow totem
#

THAT FKING DEFENSE FLEET HAS 2 JESUSES IN IT

real notch
#

saint louis is big diff from portkai

slow totem
#

Wait

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No

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Ykkz isn’t Jesus

#

More like Combat Medic

#

i drunk

real notch
#

honestly wasd looks much better suited than normal nakaga

azure aurora
real notch
#

at least enterprise

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because hiryuu strikes get cancelled by lucky E

slow totem
#

A reminder that Amagi is shit against planes

real notch
#

assuming she gets lucky

slow totem
#

Low HP, Abysmal AA, HE-resistant skill becoming irrelevant

idle python
#

yeah I'll have to try testing with ent over centaur

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I just like centaur much more for everything else

real notch
#

WorldBurns i thought u were the one telling me to stop bullying amagi

azure aurora
slow totem
#

Stop sending her into battle

#

You sadistic fk

azure aurora
#

Go fito eaceh oter

odd schooner
#

Can you also try monarch

real notch
#

anyways

idle python
#

my monarch isn't high enough level

real notch
#

just fight fire wit hfire

slow totem
#

Shikikan, coughcough I’m sick
Go into battle, terminally ill patient!

real notch
slow totem
#

Damn

real notch
#

use nagamon hiryuu

idle python
#

so I'll just leave it to the others to test it

real notch
#

oreven better

#

use wasd + hiryuu

#

if u really like ur wasd

azure aurora
#

You cant spell shikikan without S

slow totem
#

WASD Hiryuu assures you won’t get bamboozled out of your match

#

If you can’t get your finger to the reset button in 15 seconds

#

Mmmmm

#

Bravo šŸ‘

real notch
#

what the fuck was yostar thinking

#

giving hiryuu enterprise stats and a free airstrike

idle python
#

according to the cn pvp tier list writers wasd hiryuu is T -4 (yes that's a negative) vs nakaga

slow totem
#

ā€œI want to play a gameā€
-YoSAW

azure aurora
#

So no love fo soryuu

slow totem
#

@idle python So winning with WASD Hiryuu will feel satisfying cause of underdog status?

real notch
#

LUL

slow totem
real notch
#

no wait

#

which tier list

#

let me see it

idle python
#

no

azure aurora
#

I never use wasd

#

Only akaga with e or hiryuu or hood

#

Fast battle

real notch
#

i have 200affection ships for wasd and fox

azure aurora
#

Not gonna wait 1min + for wasd

real notch
#

but imo foxes are way more fun

#

carriers in general are mofun

slow totem
#

As long as that 2500 merits is within reach.

idle python
#

Check the bilibili post within that post for a bit more explanation + equip setups they used

slow totem
#

I have a shit phone that barely runs the game
ENTY TWINFOX MIRROR MATCH

real notch
#

nani

idle python
real notch
#

wasd hiryuu is next to the T1 row

idle python
#

not as hard as nagato amagi shits on hms

azure aurora
#

Wow kms pvp fleet

real notch
#

good i'm not a fan of hms so

azure aurora
#

Looks fun

#

Not the best, but fun

slow totem
#

Did people forget fun? Remember fun?

idle python
#

not saying I 100% agree with the tier list (quite a bit of cn people on ALEC disagree with it) but the decision to make negative tiers vs certain matchups is just straight up odd

slow totem
#

Negative tiers

real notch
#

uhhh

slow totem
real notch
#

yea trolling aside

#

as long as it has washington and south dakota in it

#

it's not a shit backline

slow totem
#

What’s up with HMS, Req?

#

thonk

real notch
#

and fun? sandyMeme win only

#

oh

#

uhh

#

idk i don't like their flavor

#

it's not interesting

#

just a boring fleetwide stat boost

#

no cool skills

#

and QE is ugly

slow totem
#

thonk

hidden wyvernBOT
real notch
#

not to mention they're never top tier

slow totem
#

ā€˜Kay

real notch
#

except from Sept - Oct 2018

azure aurora
#

You tier list monster

#

We play for fun

real notch
#

if they were top tier with dork or something i'd consider it

#

i mean don't get me wrong i have a maxed out QE

slow totem
#

Warspite’s despacito, Hood’s barrage, and Dork’s stuff looks cool to me, and smokescreen stuff

real notch
#

i just don't like her or her fleet

#

yea i guess warspite is ok

#

but no carriers

#

no flashy barrages

slow totem
#

No visually cool skills? But we are straying into ā€œmuh tastesā€ territory and that never ends well.

real notch
#

just a small blue pew pew

slow totem
#

Wait... Dork’s Barrages ain’t flashy?

azure aurora
#

Hms with low aa is out of meta

slow totem
#

Low AA is IJN’s shtick

real notch
#

yea that's why i said if they were top tier with dork

azure aurora
#

Both

real notch
#

and we were talking about my tastes to begin with

slow totem
#

Or more like, only USS has high AA

#

Yeah, my bad, tastes never end well but I thought you don’t like to incorporate aesthetic tastes into consideration

azure aurora
#

Yeah uss is weird one

#

Planes hater

slow totem
#

It’s historically accurate

#

They are both masters at Aviation and Anti-Aviation

#

Who invented aeroplanes? Kekek

real notch
#

i am a theorycrafter but comon

#

can't i have some feelings

azure aurora
slow totem
#

That makes your data unreliable tho

#

ā€œI don’t use X cause I don’t like how it looks.ā€

azure aurora
real notch
azure aurora
#

Not that meaningless discussion again

real notch
#

how does my data have anything to do with what fleets i like to use

slow totem
#

Yeah, personal tastes never end well

#

Meh

#

I’ll let it go let it gooo- ded meme

azure aurora
#

Zombie meme

real notch
#

i mean i am always objectively accurate when i give advice to people

#

so u can trust me to be fair if you ask me a question

#

but if someone asks me what do I like to use

#

i just tell them my feelings AquaDerp

azure aurora
vague token
#

not all of the USS has good aa

#

all of the ones sunk/hit at pearl have ijn tier AA lol

#

also i found another debuff ship, and she actually has 100% activation rate

#

=D

lime rivet
#

WASDHiryuu is honestly my favourite backline and that was before hiryuu kai

silver folio
#

Hms is honestly fine. But it'll lose against optimized wasd fleets, which are a rarity tbh

lime rivet
#

Not that rare tbh

#

Avrora <1000 is like a wall of WASDs

silver folio
#

Pretty rare. I'm in avrora rn

#

Those aren't optimized wasds

lime rivet
#

Really? Coz I see nothing but optimised WASDs

#

And given I run a fully ringed HMS, its a bitch

dusk bridge
#

man ive been slacking on PvP the past 2 seasons

silver folio
#

Interesting. I'm not having much trouble with hms

#

Most wasd still don't have Aurora which makes it easy

#

Though we both agree that optimized wasd is a bitch

dusk bridge
#

aurora isnt really a popular defence ship anyways

#

you might see her a decent amount right now for EN but when we get sendai she wont be a problem

silver folio
#

Aurora is great on def

#

It's what let's you set up cheese fleets

#

You can absolutely hose someone with jintsuu ayanami shit

dusk bridge
#

if people are smart, they just run CAs into your aurora fleet def

silver folio
#

If they're running cas then I count that as a victory

dusk bridge
#

which right now i guess isnt a very good option on EN, but when we get level 110 it will be

elder crane
#

Still, opening torp shenanigans can still be mitigated by an opening smoke

#

Any such frontlines will be gimped anyways once you offset the gimmick

silver folio
#

Which meta ships have an opening smoke

vague token
#

ive been doing ok murdering cheese with Minn/Aurora/(eldridge or belfast)

hot creek
#

i'd just hit the reset button until torp memes miss me rather than swap Leander in, too lazy for that shit m8

vague token
#

sometimes just using gun works really well xD

elder crane
#

Leander and Cygnet all work
Going really all-in on torps weakens the frontline enough that it's gimped otherwise, so you don't need a particularly high-performance ship

silver folio
#

If your forced a reset your did your job lmao

elder crane
#

Even a team comp switch is a minor victory, imo, but a very minor one tbf

hot creek
#

i mean, sure if gensui rush is thing

elder crane
#

Though, forcing resets with opening torps isn't a particularly time-wasteful one

#

since it's like 5 s in

slow totem
#

What Rendar said, it’s 5 seconds, maybe even less, 3 on average.

#

I swapped LeanderXD in and no problem with torps ever since.

elder crane
#

Same reason why torp teams are still useful on offense in situations where their per-match winrate is lower, the fast resets when you really whiff means it's quite possible to still have lower time taken per win.

slow totem
#

Very fast dildos smashing hulls at incredible hihg speed

knotty parcel
#

best backline is jean bart dunkerque and hiryuu

slow totem
#

Where’s Enterprise? GWqlabsFeelsFunnyMan

slow totem
#

EnterWho’sInAll50ofYourFleets

knotty parcel
#

what 50 fleets

slow totem
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Want me to pull up quotes?

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?

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what are you talking about

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you're strange mate

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...it’s okay. Senility is natural. longcryland

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y-yeah

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yo wa nagato :3

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Step away from da loli battleship, sir.

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she's not a loli

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she's a grandma passing for a loli

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What about Mikasa?

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Actual Grandma?

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she can't fool me with her old japanese talk

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nagato is more of a grandma than mikasa

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Mikasa is 128 years old thooo!

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1890s

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Nagato’s 20-30 years younger than her.

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that's justn umbers tho

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sandyMeme I like the way you think. Age is just a number.

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yeah it is, gotta sleep now

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i'll wake up with amagi tomorrow

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good thing amagi is the only ssr

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if i get her within 10 cubes i can just farm more for next event

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But we all know, Elite is the real rare af treasure in this game.

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So issa good thing Amagi’s SSR

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Elites are indeed rarer

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ashigara is meh

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She presses her own bob with her thigh thooooo

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looks how many Belfasts and Sandies people rolled before getting Aurora

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yeah because there are only two ssr

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so you have 3.5% chance of pulling belfast or sandy

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you have like 0.x % chance to get aurora

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i got aurora twice though laffeyDrink

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Very good

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Very meta

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10/10 uniFBI

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You need kisaragi to motivate ark royal, but why uni ?

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she has synergy with Lusty, doesn't she?

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Yep

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I agree , 10/10

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10/10 Approved

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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All Boobies

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Except Sandy??

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Sandy pretty big

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Need more big sr

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Oh maya

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But... compared to the other 5 there...

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Maya’s pretty smol

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Flattest of the Takaos

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Also the only one with white hair, and black clothes

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She’s adopted gdi

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Need to search sr vanguard with big hull

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...........Yuudachi?

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Not as big as other

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Sandy bigger than poi

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OWO!!!

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OOOOOH!

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JINTSUU RETRO

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sandyMeme šŸ‘Œ

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That hull atract torpedo

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But worth it