More than that. OwO
#pvp
slow totem
silver folio
no, less, esp if they have fortune or put beaver on enterprise
slow totem
I count only having able to launch Lucky E once as successful.
silver folio
okay
slow totem
Not at all is the best.
silver folio
then our defitions are different thats tall
lol
in that case u can 100% snipe her
since she dies before the 2nd strike
silver folio
if u clarified it was one air strike then i'll agree
she wont be alive for the 2nd shelling
slow totem
Oh, it’s the best case scenario. That feels good.
slow totem
I am using her a lot now too, as long as foe doesn’t have E too
silver folio
dont even need the hood proc in that case too 
slow totem
Cause Red Dead Lucky 2 is residentsleeper
modern tree
HMS generally needs hood to proc only once in 2 shots to win most matchups as attacker
silver folio
HMS
doesnt even need hood to proc
its a strong fleet if built properly
the only "bad" matchup is against a stacked wasd
slow totem
It’s a very good offense fleet, poor defense, but I don’t care about defense so I love it.
silver folio
i havent needed to reset HMS in a long time
attacking is so retarded because ur CL guns get to t ake free potshots
which is 
u shred their backline for free on top of the 2 0% damage buff
modern tree
I think belfast jintsuu aurora on defense in front of hms makes it way scarier than it used to be
silver folio
aurora heavily favors HMS since shes HMS
slow totem
Torp memes work ‘better’ on defense cause they start closer there
modern tree
but I am probably one of the very few people that play that
slow totem
So it kinda balances out.
silver folio
it does balance it
slow totem
I’m only cautious about Aurora if she has foxes behind her.
silver folio
somewhat, not as much as 20% fat offensive advantage though
slow totem
Otherwise, she be ded to any first round of backline stuff.
modern tree
dont underestimate aurora on hms
silver folio
HMS is pretty garbage on defense but u should run WASD if u were thinking about that imo
slow totem
Not going to run Light Build Hell just because she’s good/meta/essential.
silver folio
washing and sodak stall too fucking good
slow totem
Not falling for that trap lol
modern tree
like I said, belfast jintsuu aurora probably makes hms way scarier on defense than they used to be but I am also probably one of the very few that runs it
slow totem
Aurora herself is pretty underwhelming outside of her 2nd skill.
silver folio
the only problem i have with HMS on def is that u dont get free CL potshots like u do on offense
slow totem
Really really poor HP, one bb shell and she’s dead
silver folio
and those do like 200 dmg per shot which is pretty P H A T
slow totem
T H I C C
silver folio
yeah aurora is squish thats why aurora v aurora mirrors are ridiculous
slow totem
But you don’t lose anything on defense anyway so w/e
silver folio
u have like two glass cannons firing on each other
modern tree
she has 300 AA stat and qe buff, shes fiiine
slow totem
silver folio
im more looking at her very very low base HP, and both auroras affecting each other
slow totem
At least people will try to keep her alive.
modern tree
this lineup just tanks lucky es
slow totem
Unlike a certain other... ship...
silver folio
which leads to torp bonanza
ive seen some stupid shit happen in aurora mirrors where someone just dies to the torpedo rng lol
because of the lack of evasion
@slow totem juneau will 4ever be bullied
the only ship u pray to DIE every game tbh
tbf lucky E herself isnt a problem for HMS
HMS would be awesome i actually have bigger issues with the frontline
the backline is fairly OK
cuz u win the VG battle, problem is washing and sodak delete ur vg and it leads to a backline bb fest
real notch
generally what happens with twinfox aurora is that vg should be dead in 15 secs
after that it's ok for aurora to die
real notch
that's why i favor aurora in that rush comp since her lack of HP isn't super relevant
silver folio
u always go hyper offense in twinfox comps
modern tree
ther's no good answer to 127mm on BBs
real notch
juneau should still be viable, but not in the way that people are still using her
by slapping her in tank slot
silver folio
i dont use her on offense anymore
silver folio
on offense the atack buff is too good to pass up 4 me
modern tree
mid juneau is more or less the best way to use her, she doesnt get gibbed by torps but dies reasonably fast when closing in on the BBs so you just take your free health and run
silver folio
tbh
modern tree
most comps dont need this heal if they can kill the front fast enough tho
silver folio
washington BB spam ios why i started taking eldridge
once u spill over to their BB, her proc is insanely useful
modern tree
I dont like eldridge against bb comps, there's no real way to guarantee she will do anything at all, you are just gambling with 15% chance and her cooldown
its really obnoxious if it works but eldridge also tends to just get blown up by destron
silver folio
if u go benson aurora u have a decent chance of deleting their vanguard with initial fox strike
real notch
that's what i've been saying 
silver folio
which means ur VG spills over about the time eldridge CD comes up
real notch
eldridge is the only counter to 127 shredding
silver folio
yeah
modern tree
well "counter" she sometimes will delay the inevitable end
silver folio
thats why i take her in my squishy comps
real notch
naw that 10 secs is huge
silver folio
that extra 10s buys an extra round of torping
real notch
if any CV or BB procs inbetween, they'll start firing at the cloaked VG
modern tree
and the frequency of this sometimes is largely unreliable
real notch
as well as
yea buy an extra round of torping
with magtorps it's pretty significant
i did use jintsuu aurora eldridge for a bit but
silver folio
u died to fox mirrors?
real notch
i hate that ugly loli so
silver folio
o u just hate her
silver folio
reason why i dont main eldridge is she sucks dick against foxes
real notch
yea she's terrible against foxes
silver folio
esp with aurora
fucking aurora
jintsuu aurora sometimes chunk eldy too hard
which is ok if foxes didnt exist
real notch
yea
with my 3CV comp it usually runs over anyone without jintsuu aurora
it has good but not great results against wasd fleets (70-80% winrate)
which means that wasd fleets should still be able to beat it
assuming they don't have eldridge
if they do they lose more often lmao
silver folio
i think evetry wasd fleet on defense should always contain a helena and an enty
modern tree
I bought a skin just so I can stand looking at Eldridge
silver folio
for extra spiciness
real notch
if it's wasd fleet + belfast + cleveland or some shit
3CV will probably have like a 50% winrate
silver folio
interesting, cleveland
real notch
assuming wasd offense
silver folio
so cleveland is legit?
real notch
not rly 
modern tree
cleave never stopped being okay and not much more, she smacks cvs tho
silver folio
i guess. i run foxes myself so i just use foxes in fox mirrors huehue
real notch
yeah me too
silver folio
nocal has that weirdass problem where she is terrible until the opponent has 3CVs
im not sure if shes that great against just 2 foxes but will need testing
i'll try like fortune and nocal and see how much dmg backline takes 
modern tree
norcal has a terrible problem of being a plain bb with no skills that take her damage from what you'd expect from a bb to focused assault sodak
silver folio
the idea behind it would be to just protect the backline and then hopefully stall out on a 3v3 backline duel with foxes
which therotiecally nocal and the rest of ur fleet would win
silver folio
but i hate that idea and it seems trashy so i just run foxes
modern tree
silver folio
and if they run wasd then nocal is shit
slow totem
@real notch How can you provide objective assessments you so cherish if you let your personal feelings get in the way? (In this case, with Eldridge, but who knows if there’s more.)
silver folio
slow totem
That’s what he’s been priding on.
I like Sirreq, but I can’t help but to notice the hipocrisy.
silver folio
good memes
@slow totem by trial and error, i find eldridge very good against wasd fleets in scenarios where my VG spilled over
modern tree
anyone taking anyone else in this chat as a source of information without applying any thinking to what they say is a fool
silver folio
thats how i determined eldridge was decent against them
and when i take out eldrridge for another ship i noticed having a much harder time
like, for example, leander or helena or fortune
so i figure that eldridge is at least a net positive addition, whether shes optimal, well that's the fun 
modern tree
for example, my own knowledge is based on what I see on FUCKING SANDY so what I consider strong and worthwile can be hevily skewed by how CASUAL this server is about pvp and so on
silver folio
the only objective truth out there is enty+cranes
everthing else is false idols
modern tree
whenever I see "please help me make fleet" in this chat I wonder how much different the answers will be depending on people that see it and try to help
its a weird chat
gritty cove
Well there's the pinned guide which should help a lot for people
slow totem
I don’t mind anything else, except for the “I hate the ugly loli so” line, it’s so uncharacteristic and obviously opinionated than his usual based-by-data statements that it stuck out like a sore thumb to me.
silver folio
just tell them to go aurora/belfast/juneau
they're proably too lazy to understand why its good they just want to be spoonfed it tbh
slow totem
And I pointed that out, I am more than willing to be proven wrong.
gritty cove
I just get my info from jp/ch meta and try to mix it with whatever EN has going on
silver folio
"what fleet should i use" is basically begging for coles notes
so coles notes is exactly what they get
modern tree
oppinion zone, while this pin is not untrue, recommending beginners to get juneau eldridge sodak and the like leveled is not really very good for them because those seldom do anything for pve. HMS is easier to build, almost entirely pve farmable and I use it in pve to this day with great sucess
gritty cove
Hms definitely the best to start with I'd say
silver folio
washing and sodak are event ships
slow totem
Who’s Keripo again?
silver folio
and the optimal fleet for "efficient pvping" is actually foxes since they save massive time, and can be farmed
silver folio
ppl joining now have no option to obtain wasd so that pin is silly
and people that DO have wasd have already played long enough to not ask this silly question
slow totem
silver folio
and wtf is "your choice of offense" vanguard
backyard diversity is FAR greater than frontline diversity
silver folio
i would
slow totem
...like hell, sandbagging no more
modern tree
I dont think this is much of a point difference at all
slow totem
here I come, mama Graf
silver folio
i would attack because i end up forgetting
and wasting an entry
i use all my entries on resets lmao
slow totem
Yeah, that’s more detrimental than not sandbagging lol
gritty cove
I think it's better to attack every couple hours if people keep ranking on your list
silver folio
u can still easily make gensui without sandbangging is the rationale
so until they gensui becomes extra hard, i'll continue all-using my enties
slow totem
Yeah, just want to get 2.5k merits and gtfo/chill
Just getting Gensui won’t ever become extra hard
Unless you miss a lot of matches
modern tree
I just play on a schedule and if people played, good, I get my points, and if they didnt, I also get my points but less, its fine, I get to sleep unlike this one dark time
silver folio
sandbagging in avrora is literally for no lifers
some idiot was at 50 rankscore plus when i finished @_@
slow totem
💤
silver folio
50 rankscore!!
modern tree
I was this idiot once
slow totem
It’s okay, you’ll live longer than they are.
modern tree
once
silver folio
and i moderately sandbagged, t his guy must have been sandbagging hardcore lmao
slow totem
I was, once, top 3 end of season, that lasted for 5 minutes before reset, never again.
modern tree
its an experience I tell you
slow totem
I know that feel. 
silver folio
honestly, i dont even feeling like pvping anymore because its getting quite stale... but i want my purins
modern tree
I have a screenshot from it but I hide it better than my porn because its so embarrassing
slow totem
Well yeah, I’m only in it for the purins.
...been saying that like a broken record now kek
The 4 Extra Purins per month matters a lot lol
silver folio
if ur parents come in when ur pvping
slow totem
Esp with all these new SRs every few weeks
gritty cove
At heart I'm also just a collectionist
slow totem
“Son, whatchu doin’?”
silver folio
actually if ur playing AL and ur parents come in, just switch to porn
my parents are commies so porn is actually more acceptable tbh >_>
slow totem
“Oh... uh, watching... chibis pounding each other with torpedo-... it’s porn, mom, okay, it’s porn.”
modern tree
why limit yourself to be on top of only one leaderboard when you can take top 50 in all of them and prove to everyone you hate having normal life
silver folio
@slow totem they are convinced this game is a japanese brainwashing app
even though.... its made by chinese devs
slow totem
They’d hate to find out where this game come from.
silver folio
more that HK has that "bad western" influence
gritty cove
That's where you're wrong kiddo
slow totem
Let me prove you wrong, brb.
silver folio
which retard telling u not to use enty
knotty parcel
hood is shit
silver folio
enty best ship!!
knotty parcel
compared to enty
silver folio
enterprise best ship in the game!!
gritty cove
I haven't used Enty even once on pvp
silver folio
but u can definitely win without enty
gritty cove
Fuqqq her
silver folio
i dont use enty in my HMS or my ganbattefox setup
slow totem
@knotty parcel The rest of your fleet is just subpar, so you can only rely on Enty.
silver folio
^
slow totem
Uploading screenshots cause internet is slow.
silver folio
if ur fleet is shit t hen yeah enty is a godsend
i mean
enty was literally made for bad fleets
look at her skill it promotes self survival and a selfish damage buff
but im not gonna disagree that enterprise is best girl and best ship though 
knotty parcel
Yeah if she doesn't lucky E you win sure
slow totem
Nope, she lucky E-ed twice
My USS Merica fk yeah BBs shot them all down
Next case please. We’re done here.
silver folio
lucky E proced twice in this match
knotty parcel
And that's because their enty always lucky E
silver folio
still win
slow totem
Dude won agains Enty win Erebus and Terror, and Purple Heart
But yeah, you admit that the rest of your ships are just underperforming
That’s a good point to start
knotty parcel
Lol sec
slow totem
Just build the rest up so you can stop being a one-trick pony.
knotty parcel
I mean I have all these ships and they aren't useful compared to enty
slow totem
Enty’s good, powerful, I use her myself
slow totem
But the fact you can’t win with anything but Enty
silver folio
hood akagi kaga and you'll eat all fleets for breakfast
slow totem
Tells us that the rest of your ships are badly-geared
knotty parcel
tried it
knotty parcel
nah they all are +10
silver folio
WAT
slow totem
No, no, it’s okay.
modern tree
level your gear
knotty parcel
it's all +10
silver folio
post fleet comp and score
slow totem
And my HMS snipes her like no tomorrow.
silver folio
i swear u bertter not be using BTD....
im gonna throw a cat out the window if i see BTD
modern tree
I mean, ther's no point in proving his feelings on the matter wrong
slow totem
Yeah, but Viore thinks Enty is the answer to all, which is not the case.
But yeah, that’s what I wanted to say
It’s futile.
silver folio
i can link him a video of enty dying before she can even fire
slow totem
Let the guy have his Enty, doesn’t matter to us.
There’s also one more possibility that they are trolling, judging by their ship collection and levels
and they’re laughing as we speak. just sayin’.
So let’s drop it, and move on.
silver folio
well imma link this anyway, if he wants "proof"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFK65ALGdRQ
i dont even have benson or maxed equip in there either
BUT, enterprise is a very good ship regardless, ur not wrong
saying u cant win without her is silly though
native mantle
is baga+akagi only in pve better then akaga or in pvp too?
native mantle
aye
silver folio
no clue shes not in EN yet
i would probably stick with standard akagi + kaga since consensus seems that shes not t hat great
native mantle
ah k it had been that some ppl tested it
silver folio
for akagi kaga and amagi on EN
until nagato comes
after that i dunno what the optimal comp will be
native mantle
btw in 14 minutes is the next reset for 5/10 and at 0:00 PTS for 10/10?
native mantle
i was just wondering if I'm now at 0/10 and dunno use them in 13 minutes if i miss anything if i wait for exercieses until reset tommorow
slow totem
You get 5 in 13 minutes, another 5 in 6 hours, then another 5 in 12 hours.
Wait... gah
This is confusing
00:00, 12:00, 18:00 PST, each add 5 attempts, 15 attempts each day in total.
Convert that to your timezone.
native mantle
allright ty
silver folio
lol
im not even sure
if bb kaga
is better than hood
if shes not better than hood in akaga comps then no point running tbh
silver folio
amagi
hnggg
i need that to test her with cranes
supposedly she'll let u stall enough for zui to stack up
will be some good testing
native mantle
i dunno know anything about pvp, but if YWIS is right then akagi+baga is at least for pve better then the 2x CV akaga
silver folio
u dont akaga in pve
BB is superior in PVE
u can defintiely make some arguments for bkaga there
but this is pvp channel sooooo yeah
slow totem
Ywis doesn’t care, nor is credible enough to deal with PvP stuff.
native mantle
aye thats the reason i asked^^
slow totem
So why even mention him here?
lofty smelt
I for one am looking forward to not having Enty on my pvp fleet and still winning 
slow totem
@lofty smelt Are you secretly Viorie? Kappa.
modern tree
people looking forward to a thing that was possible for months
slow totem
That thing is possible even using pure base game ships with HMS or Hood-Foxes
silver folio
enty wasnt even the best during the early heydays, that was HMS
lofty smelt
I mean I didn't get Enty until super late. Only reason I use her now is because WASD+E is like free wins
slow totem
Yeah, one of the most consistent comps.
silver folio
WASD+anything is free wins against 99% of pvp opponents, tbh
u dont even need E for that
modern tree
my wins are pretty free
silver folio
hell stick in yamashiro in there too why not
slow totem
Hyuuga, actually legit.
modern tree
I just beat a guy with 3 CAs and uni, shouhou arizona backline
silver folio
hyuuga would actually be good lmao
slow totem
15% buff to WASD shieeeet
silver folio
ye
modern tree
I feel bad but also good
silver folio
hyuuga is not meme
also she has CL guns too so she is even better on offense
easy potshots 👌
coral wren
hmm how does Aurora jIntsuu work in pvp? I mean how to use them?
do they only work Foxes?
slow totem
Reduce enemy evasion
Smash them with torps
No, they work generally alone
But better with foxes
modern tree
belfast, jintsuu aurora, works for about every fleet honsestly but HMS and Foxes use them the best
coral wren
so I can use wasd with it?
coral wren
I see ayaya on the airpanda guide
slow totem
coral wren
I dont have oxy torp so I dont know if I can use ayaya to full potential
coral wren
aite
coral wren
is it suppose to kill enemy vanguard at first torps?
modern tree
heavy damage is alright
modern tree
torps are a bit on the random side but if you take like 1/3 to a half of hp from one or two ships then they did their job, they have capacity to do more, but all you have to do is push through the vanguard so it's not necesary
modern tree
and a lot of situations in which you torp really hard you also eat a shotgun and dont really gain much of an advantage from it
slow totem
You aren’t going to be deleting whole vanguard in first torping without top-tier endgame stuff
Inc said Oxy Torp, Jintsuu Kai, and Aurora, and max +10 bis gear and shit
Oh, also, luck, lots of luck
So don’t worry too much
slow totem
Yeah, that’s needed
coral wren
slow totem
Since you want whole vanguard delete in first round of torping
coral wren
I missed the event by a week when I started the game
slow totem
Well, it’ll rerun
modern tree
you will be able to get one oxy torp a week when research comes
coral wren
owo
slow totem
Still can’t do anything about Luck tho
coral wren
yea
slow totem
If the the torps whiff
They whiff
Rip
Resetting every 5 seconds, tis’ the laifu of da torpu
slow totem
That’s better on the stress level
modern tree
ah, the OTHER vanguard
native mantle
damn dunno was aware of things...lost one fight
slow totem
What do you think “dunno” means, Bai?
coral wren
but I dont wanna waste the exp I can get from pvp those juicy 1k xp each
slow totem
Since you’ve been using the world oddly since... ever.
It means “Don’t know” shortened, not “Do not”.
silver folio
ayaya is severely gimped iwwthout oxxytorp
slow totem
#GrammarNaziButW/E
silver folio
i probbaly woudlnt use her in pvp without oxytorp and rainbow torp tbh
coral wren
oh wow deleted junea with first torps
silver folio
u still can, just know that its hampered a bit
slow totem
Torp meme in itself is a pretty big gamble anyway
native mantle
aye i know i was just a bit angry atm don't looked what i was tipping
silver folio
yeah
slow totem
But when it doesn’t, meeeeh
silver folio
thats why i got rid of the torp meme entirely
dont need that shit when i can win conssitnetly with 0 rng
native mantle
lost one fight is shit just cause i wasn't aware of things
silver folio
the less RNG u have in ur fleet the stressed u'll be tbh, since u can more or less expect consistency
slow totem
If you reset like 5-6 times, you’ve already lost morentime than using safer comps like normal peope lol
slow totem
coral wren
I think I will go back to wasd once its admiral lvl
silver folio
im confused ur not already using wasd?
coral wren
for now with new season its good to lvl ships
coral wren
nope using foxes to get affinity
coral wren
WAT
silver folio
lmfao
slow totem
coral wren
goddammit.
silver folio
slow totem
🇫
coral wren
well I still get exp for my ayaya auraora and jintsu
slow totem
Well, you still get xp and merits
silver folio
true
coral wren
aye
silver folio
mostly the merits, i ran out of ships i wanted lvled
as long as i have cranes im happy
prety sure i will never use pennsacola or shounen ever
coral wren
who is shouen
silver folio
cuz they arent cute enough
slow totem
SHOUNEN!
silver folio
@coral wren the ship u always pull but never want
slow totem
Who always shouts “Shounen!” If you pull her tanned face?
silver folio
u have wasd how would u not know, roon
lol
unless u pulled washington on ur first pull like me
coral wren
I pulled 5 washington
slow totem
coral wren
5 minnea
silver folio
wew lad
coral wren
what is shounen
silver folio
luccsacc
slow totem
SHOUNEN!
slow totem
Nevada
silver folio
yeah
coral wren
always look on the positive side
silver folio
only reason i have dock space is for waifu collection
i wont play 90% of the ships in this game anyway
coral wren
same jsut lvl with commsions
silver folio
yeah comm slave 4ever
coral wren
I havent even filled 200 of my docks and I have 250 just for commons
cus retire every 2 runs is just NO
coral wren
it feels so weird to be able to type freely. I am still soemtimes having a delay after everytime I typed cus of the slowmode
slow totem
🐢
coral wren
its like growing into me that slowmode timer
I like sandieago
always weclome her
10 medals is good
slow totem
What about “Hey, Shikikan!” ?
slow totem
Kent
coral wren
Oh
slow totem
slow totem
They come up too often than necessary
coral wren
it makes sense for commons to be there more than others. unless its NEP event
then its elite more than anythign else
real notch
@slow totem my dislike for eldridge and her artstyle doesn't affect how often i use eldridge, it just affects my mood when i use her
and as a general statement, my personal opinions don't get in the way of how i assess ships ever
this goes for equipment, skills, comps, etc.
my one and only goal in PVP is to win
odd schooner
I regret backreading 
vague token
oof
native mantle
can i still get a good ranking and rewards with 1 lost fight?
silver folio
even on avrora
it isnt hard
and washingtons the newest server
shouldnt be TOO bad
modern tree
with one lost game I was top10 and got gensui on Sandy
other servers might be more competitive
silver folio
knowing what to do already makes u better than 90% of ppl
real notch
it's getting harder tho
bruh i just missed 4 matches
3 hour long management meeting
fuk me
simple basalt
So I'm currently rank 1, but I have no idea how this works. I've been sitting on 800-1k for months, but now I'm first?
hot creek
r1 doesnt mean anything this early in the season
simple basalt
People keep saying that, but I'm more interested in how the system works and how I got here to begin with.
hot creek
but if you keep winning games, and battling higher ranked opponents while not wasting any charges you can stay near the top
simple basalt
That doesn't explain anything.
simple basalt
Thanks.
supple stratus
Does Fleet power really determine everything? I've used a fleet with just below 10K Vanguard Power yet it beat a fleet with a vanguard of 10300
Might just be because Helena carry although i have some skepticism to it
elder crane
Fleet power is only a rough indication of fleet strength.
A good fleet will have decently high fleet power.
However, bad fleets can have high fleet power too.
In fact, the highest fleet powers are achieved by pretty subpar fleets.
For maxed fleets, backline should be ~12-13k power, and frontline ~10-13k power, depending on composition
supple stratus
Currently running a pretty bad pvp fleet, but im leaning into the HMS fleet as i have all the materials for it except for gold equipment
Im just below 11K on Back, and just below 10K on front
knotty parcel
We'reGoingDown,I'mYellingSERVER!Aujourd'hui à 00:52
Does Fleet power really determine everything? I've used a fleet with just below 10K Vanguard Power yet it beat a fleet with a vanguard of 10300
not always
a purple gear gives less point even if it's better so
elder crane
Some (not all, there's more) reasons for why fleet power is not a very good indicator (roughly, some points may be somewhat wrong):
- It does not consider skills
- It does not consider weapon efficiencies
- It does not consider main gun mount +1 (underrating such ships)
- The simple weighted average across stats weights stats in a way that is not fully reflective of how important each is
- It ranks equipment by rarity, which is a poor indicator of how good the equipment is
supple stratus
I see.
elder crane
The effect is most pronounced on the frontline, which is why I gave a much higher range of power for maxed fleets. Torpedoboat fleets tend to reach 13k+ power, but gunboat fleets and/or ones that rely on powerful skills on not-as-good ships can dip as low as 10k even at very high levels of performance optimization
Finally, if you see backlines at 13.5k+ power, they are almost definitely running subpar equipment of higher rarity to inflate the fleet power metric and are actually worse actual-performance-wise than the most performance optimized fleets, which should never significantly go above 13k for the content available on EN (minus some very rare exceptions)
supple stratus
oof that's good to know
Now i know that they're only just standing there... MENACINGLY
odd schooner
13.6k is BiS triple BB setup
13.2k is BiS 2 BB 1 CV setup
12.9 for Foxes
Or was it 12.8
The front is what really goes up and down
alpine finch
My front goes from sub 11k to nearly 13k
Both similar results
76 gun drops it pretty hard vs 10 gold gun
odd schooner
My glass cannon front is 13.2
elder crane
Well, not everyone oaths every ship
Yeah, torp fleets really turn up the power, my Aya is at 4.7k and could go higher if I preferred 100>76 and had her at 200 aff
elder crane
Well, there's also not a single "BiS" setup for many ships
And Helena dips down wayyy low for how good she is, since she both sacrifices stats for skill and is a gunboat with 0 torp stat
elder crane
Not always, sometimes you want to weaken her setup deliberately survivability-wise to make sure she dies at right timing
knotty parcel
12.9 for foxes damn how come i have 12.4
odd schooner
+10 and oath
alpine finch
Who's your 3rd
elder crane
Who's your third ship?
Do you have them oathed 200 aff?
odd schooner
- oath it's 60 each
odd schooner
67 to be exact
knotty parcel
oh no im at 12.6
elder crane
What's your power on Hood?
odd schooner
134 for each if max oath
odd schooner
Max oath foxes hood are at 12901
elder crane
Looks like just not max oathed then
knotty parcel
I need nagato 😦
elder crane
do you have them max oathed?
odd schooner
-402 excluding the oath
knotty parcel
Nah only Kaga is oathed, akagi is ugly
elder crane
That does it, you're at roughly the right power, if you are missing a few oaths/200 aff
odd schooner
Without oath. Max value is 12499
knotty parcel
and front is 12k4 with aya jintsuu and aurora
elder crane
Also, I'm not so sure on your power calcs Gurren, what equip is that with? Miscalculated some stuff
odd schooner
You have oxytorps?
knotty parcel
sure do
odd schooner
Uhh reppu helldiver cuda tank cata
Hood beaver and fcr
It will change a bit if you replace beaver with sg
+15
elder crane
Oh lol I misread my foxes power XD
odd schooner
Das why there's 2 BiS for wasd E
13266 and 13281
sour oasis
I am in the top 1000. This is the highest I will ever get with my crap equips and everything is downhill from here.
knotty parcel
you can get higher
real notch
What's ur equips
knotty parcel
you just need to tryhard and wait in between each fight
gaunt fiber
someone help me understand how the ranks work, because my fleet is definitely not strong enough to be rank 1 just like that
elder crane
Rankings only start to matter later in the season, since higher "levels" (admiral and above) are locked to the top X places
real notch
Basically you just keep sandbagging
elder crane
so, early on, the people who care enough to do so just stay low in ranking, hoping their opponents climb (since you get +/- 1 pt for ~every 30 pts the opponent is higher/lower in, rounding down)
sour oasis
@real notch my equips are terrible. Just Ent has +10s.
My luck with save scumming is terrible
gaunt fiber
that seems pretty counterintuitive but thanks 
elder crane
Yeah, our current system is somewhat broken
real notch
+35 was the threshold for +1 at 10pts but is it every +30 pts after that?
sour oasis
Why do I have 100 points less? I think I only lost 4 fights.
real notch
I Never actually figured out the point diff required for +12pts fights
sour oasis
Is it pt differential or rank differential?
real notch
Pt differential
sour oasis
Woah
real notch
But positively correlated with ranks
sour oasis
So you can be 100 ranks above me and have a point difference of 2?
real notch
Ehh dont think 100 ranks will cut it
Maybe if he is r1 and you are r100
The space between ranks get more substantial the higher u go up
elder crane
The thing is, I'm pretty sure I've had 30 pt difference go through with +1, yet 33 pt diff not go through
I think whether its +30/+35 difference needed might be different for different leagues
sour oasis
Still. I kinda wish the game showed pt difference rather than rank difference now
Hey. I'm rank 2000 now (dropped 1000 ranks this hour).
elder crane
Or maybe it's just that people climb as I fight, so it wasn't actually +30, it's hard to say
real notch
Yea it depends on ranks
simple basalt
Why does it say I'm rank 2 and then in the seasonal score I'm ranked 38?
elder crane
The UI does not refresh until you finish a match, reset opponents, or relogin
real notch
Restart app and look again
elder crane
but, the ranking list does update sometimes
real notch
And ive confirmed now that its possible to get +11 pts immediately after refreshing a lobby
sour oasis
real notch
Ive gotten it a few times now
Which implies that ur pvp lobby is based on active players as well
elder crane
Yep, it happens a lot a higher ranks if the people there are sparse enough
real notch
And sparsity ye
sour oasis
simple basalt
What's the point of me rushing rank 1/2 if the refresh is just going to bump me down?
sour oasis
Fights refill in 5h. I wonder what rank I'll find myself dropped to then
simple basalt
I thought I was suppose to delay others while I powered through others.
elder crane
I've never had a natural +1 at lower, crowded ranks, as far as I can tell
It might just also be that after the match registers, but before the display is refreshed, someone climbed on your list
Rushing only matters at end of season, since the highest "levels" are gated to certain ranks
glossy jay
elder crane
so if you get rank <11 when at 2.2k pts, you get the "grand admiral" thing (it's named differently everywhere ), and the associated 2.5k merit for reaching that rank, even if you get knocked down later
sour oasis
PVP seems totally luck based now
elder crane
It is.
sour oasis
Will you get merit immediately hitting admiral or must you remain that in session changeover?
elder crane
You get it immediately upon first hitting the rank, thankfully
sour oasis
slow totem
supple stratus
Wew i dropped from like top 250 or so to 1298
leaden willow
supple stratus
Just challenged someone whos rank 56 i might win lol
leaden willow
get that merit
i believe in you
our pvp seems pretty stale in comparison to avrora
supple stratus
Ladies and Gentlemen...
We gotem
Rank 978 now
SOON
I rose +300 just from winning that against that weak as rank 56
leaden willow
pog
i mean
i wouldn't consider myself a pvp epic grinding gamer
i leave this as my fleet for others to fight
gaunt fiber
off
leaden willow
you'll never catch me 
supple stratus
HAHAHA I PAST YOU
leaden willow
supple stratus
slow totem
HYYYYYYYYYPE
native mantle
hmm i think i will wait with 10/10 until a hour before the 12:00 PTS reset to get the most out of them
supple stratus
Knock me down hard
bitter escarp
Who here is in Lexington? If anyone runs into my def fleet pls reset test and tell me how they do
azure aurora
bitter escarp
azure aurora
My def fleet meme fleet
bitter escarp
Mines some dumb torp fleet but for some reason I don’t run into any torp defense fleets on lex so I don’t know how well it does (I don’t use it on attack)
Heard the nuance of the game makes torp fleets better on defense but I haven’t seen a torp fleet on the defending side in action, maybe I’m just unlucky
azure aurora
Desron is good for deff ?
slow totem
cause defenders start closer to your backline, that’s all
bitter escarp
Ye
slow totem
And Infinite Za Warudo
slow totem
YOU EVIL BASTARD
...I love it
Go and cuck those foxes now
WASD Hiryuu - Belfast, Juneau
bitter escarp
azure aurora
+eldridge
bitter escarp
Mines got final counter at lvl 8 so I’m gettin there
azure aurora
Waste time for real
bitter escarp
Sad that the bunny retros aren’t coming with the event
I was real hyped about them
slow totem
It’s very good for foxes cause the primary reason to run foxes is for fast wins
If they win slow, you’ve already won
bitter escarp
Best part about the skill is how she strikes when it procs too
It’s a double “fuck you”
slow totem
That skill would make Naruto proud
azure aurora
Real power of protagonist
bitter escarp
Wanted the retro so that hiryuu could double fuck you extremely hard
supple stratus
Why isn't it called the Fairy Tail?
azure aurora
slow totem
bitter escarp
Because how dare you compare fairy fail to my nice shipfu game
supple stratus
I use it to insult Fairy Tail it's fine
slow totem
Hey, tbf, Hiryuu behaves like genderbent Natsu
azure aurora
1hp survive > strike enemy > win
slow totem
bitter escarp
Does natsu have a foot fetish too?
Also my phone keeps auto correcting natsu to nasty
supple stratus
I only watch to see others suffer
azure aurora
Ft death ?
bitter escarp
Wait people die in fairy tail? NANI
azure aurora
*gasp
supple stratus
Delet obscure spoiler
slow totem
N A N I !?
supple stratus
I feel like im gonna get muted for this, but its fine
azure aurora
Prioritize yellow skill or red skill for amagi ?
supple stratus
Prioritize getting Amagi first
lofty smelt
May as well level yellow up while you're getting her to max LB for the red skill
gaunt fiber
so where does amagi fit? literally any comp?
supple stratus
yep
gaunt fiber
slow totem
@gaunt fiber if you aren’t facing a CV-focused comp. she’s shit against planes
gaunt fiber
bitter escarp
Nagato is almighty to me in my heart and in my offbrand manga
bitter escarp
Enterprise is op?
silver folio
yeah shes the best
bitter escarp
that’s a new one
coral wren
Hm, that 15 % fire dmg reduce from amagi isn’t nearly enough to mix ap with he on your rear, right
slow totem
Nope, or just plane her to death
coral wren
Enty is being a bitch recently when it comes to rng..
slow totem
Belli Dura Despacito MADAFAKA
silver folio
actually just ap in general
slow totem
Nah, tis’ fine on CLs and CAs
coral wren
I’d like them to buff ap somehow
supple stratus
Make AP go through the fabric of reality and still underpowered
coral wren
Adjust their crit numbers or smth
slow totem
Belli Dura Despacito takes 1/4 of Enty’s health
silver folio
wait what. u know thats not true
maybe 15%
slow totem
slow totem
She has vision problems
silver folio
missisng on stationary targets 
slow totem
Megane skin would fix it
azure aurora
Sorry no megane skin for her
slow totem
for now
azure aurora
Only beard
hot creek
her normal hit rate is actually petty good iirc. not sure if that affects the skill tho since i see it miss from time to time. pretty tilting tbh
subtle whale
high flume
for anyone who play Elridge, where do you usually put her? middle, back, or front?
hot creek
its fine though. ill just play warspite in KC where her accuracy is godly
bitter escarp
I put her in offtank if I ever use her
bitter escarp
she’s benched atm tho
high flume
If you put her in the middle, wouldn't that decrease her chance to proc her skill?
silver folio
i dont put her middle thats where i put my buffing ships
hot creek
i put her in front for offense fleet
silver folio
after eldridge does rainbow once, she usually doesnt live for a 2nd one
so i stick her back for max chance to proc
hot creek
its so funny when she lives enough for 2nd op rainbow
silver folio
i find in scenarios where she lives for a 2nd rainbow, ur already winning pretty hard
hot creek
all up in wash sodaks face and they cant do shit
bitter escarp
If you run Juneau, Eldridge sometimes keeps her alive too long
and by sometimes I mean fairly often
silver folio
u generally shouldnt mainfleet eldridge unless ur meta is infested by enterprises
subtle whale
yeah wasd cant really do anything to eldridge if they get the 2nd rainbow
wasd is popular in avrora
slow totem
WASP
subtle whale
slow totem
🐝
hot creek
i mean most of us is EN so lol idk where youre not finding Enty infestations
subtle whale
wasp is free 8 medal
slow totem
8 medal?!
slow totem
Yellow! 🐝
bitter escarp
WASD is pretty common in lex too
subtle whale
big bee
slow totem
BZZZZZZ
subtle whale
bzzz
bitter escarp
I actually don’t really pay attention to what’s the most common fleet in lex pvp
is it wasd? I run into all sorts of shit
slow totem
or ARK ROYAL MUTSUKIS
bitter escarp
I still see the old fashioned Hood Enty Lusty from time to time
bitter escarp
It is old fashioned
slow totem
It was the staple newbie ship for base game ships
bitter escarp
And it’s bad
silver folio
i dont remember seeing that comp and i played on launch
i remember saratoga being in a lot of comps
slow totem
I played a month after launch
bitter escarp
bitter escarp
I played right when lex server was a thing
silver folio
yeah i started on avrora first day
silver folio
those are 3 gacha ships so that combatination was rather rare
and neither of them was in exchange either
ew bailey kai
bitter escarp
I saw it everywhere
silver folio
she can die in a fir
slow totem
BAILEY KAI 🐰
slow totem
Ye, got Hood from exchange
slow totem
And she’s the only SSR ship I trade medals for
bitter escarp
I traded for my first hood (and only hood, never pulled a hood in my life) and for a Lusty dupe once
slow totem
No u
silver folio
so annoying
slow totem
Ur mum big gae
bitter escarp
I just didn’t bother with the quest
bitter escarp
you madlad
silver folio
the problem is bailey literally is worse than 90% of shipss
bitter escarp
madlad
silver folio
ewwww
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25% chance to activate every 20 seconds: reduces random enemy's attack speed and strength for 5(10) seconds.
WHAT IS THIS LOL
bitter escarp
silver folio
25% chance to activate on ONE ship
slow totem
👌
bitter escarp
High quality
silver folio
helena, 60% chance to activate on ALL ships
slow totem
Aurora eat your heart out
silver folio
🦆
bitter escarp
Replacing Aurora with bailey Kai immediately
slow totem
STAT
silver folio
While alive in fleet, decreases all enemies' Firepower, Torpedo and Air Power by 3% (9%).
While alive in fleet, reduces the fire damage taken by main fleet by 5% (15%) and increases their evasion rate by 4% (10%).
40% (70%) activation upon firing main gun: launches a frontal barrage (damage based on skill level). During battle, if the fleet contains 4 or more Sakura Empire ships: decreases the loading time of own first main gun salvo by 25% (45%).
bitter escarp
seems pretty underpowered to me
What is yostar thinking
IJN bias? More like IJN prejudice
slow totem
Cough Enty Cough
bitter escarp
While alive in fleet yeah with that coughing, Amagi will be alive in fleet for a few more seconds thanks yostar
silver folio
juneau intensifies