pvp

[thorny bramble]

why are u sad about enty not procing

[subtle whale]

they should just make a enty retro

[thorny bramble]

isnt enty proc chance 0% anyways

when ur attacking

[real notch]

[subtle whale]

and make big e 100% proc so no one os salty

[slow totem]

Your Enty: 0%
Enemy Enty: 120%

[subtle whale]

[thorny bramble]

[real notch]

Im like 1/3 sad

[thorny bramble]

im vv sad

[real notch]

The rest of the 2/3 was from other bs

[thorny bramble]

these foking 🐳 with their all married fleets

[real notch]

did someone call me

[slow totem]

I’m actually thinking now

...

[thorny bramble]

...

go away

[slow totem]

Isn’t it less of a whale to full oath fleet than skin spamming?

Like, some skins cost as much as 2 rings

And most cost more than 1 ring

THONK

So that’s why people who spam oaths aren’t that rare.

[subtle whale]

see what skin it is

[slow totem]

Thonk thonk thonk

[subtle whale]

akagi skins means they have shit taste

kaga skin means they have good taste

[thorny bramble]

akagi wedding skin

[real notch]

^

kaga best grill

[slow totem]

Skin Spammers don’t care.

[subtle whale]

[thorny bramble]

akagi best grill fite me

[real notch]

[slow totem]

But seriously, right? Oath Spamming isn’t that difficult, compared to skin spamming.

Thoughts please

[subtle whale]

well she is a good grill

[thorny bramble]

meh

[real notch]

Izurich

[subtle whale]

cus she roast her waifu rating

[real notch]

How dare u make sense

[subtle whale]

[thorny bramble]

its still like 2500 gems

[slow totem]

ONLY SCIENTIFIC ARGUMENTS HERE

[subtle whale]

what if you oath abd get premium skins

[slow totem]

That makes my argument even stronger

[real notch]

Like 200 affection jintsuu beach skin?

[thorny bramble]

;-;

[subtle whale]

yes

[real notch]

Hmm i should do that

[thorny bramble]

i wish

[subtle whale]

[real notch]

🍆

[slow totem]

200 Affection Jintsuu bitch skin is rarer than just oathed Jintsuu

*beach

[subtle whale]

i want a saint louis skin

[slow totem]

Eh

Similar phrasing

[thorny bramble]

;-; i want monies

lol

[subtle whale]

but first i need her to come

and get saint louis

[real notch]

My jintsuu is 200 affection so i just needa fork over my money

[thorny bramble]

holee

[real notch]

Do i kakin then

[subtle whale]

i havent you forked over

[thorny bramble]

🐳

do it

do it

do it

[real notch]

[subtle whale]

[real notch]

How much is it

First of all

[subtle whale]

every second jintsuu doesnt have the skin

she crying

[finite valve]

@real notch 702

[slow totem]

You pay more money to get less clothes

[real notch]

Omg that's like $7

[slow totem]

This game, man

[thorny bramble]

o no

thats 7 more than i have ;-;

[real notch]

No like $9

Wtf

She doesnt even spill sunscreen over her belly

[subtle whale]

that why people buy the spring skin more clothes

[thorny bramble]

deutchland

[slow totem]

:wesmart:

Shut up clyde.

[hybrid tendon]

I wonder if i should replace enty with amagi

[slow totem]

They fulfill different roles, so eh.

[hybrid tendon]

Enty is still the insane unit with lucky E and the ability to bullshit out a win

[slow totem]

But Amagi has team synergy without requiring the good mood of RNG

[hybrid tendon]

Sometime you just....win because of that alone

Ye

I do switch out units for variety once in awhile

With hood and the like

[slow totem]

Makes things fresh, I fully agree

[vague token]

i wish we knew how much interference debuffed enemies by

or how they targeted

xD

[odd schooner]

Well 9.99 is 750 gems

Do it

[hybrid tendon]

have 979 gem
A ring pack is 980

[odd schooner]

Just buy

[coral wren]

make the jewcat happy

[modern tree]

@vague token even if we did know the exact number, 25% chance to do a thing every 20 seconds is unreliable at best. Targeting that prioritizes ememies is probably random so you would have on average 50% chance to hit something that you want(backline, not frontline) to disrupt every time it triggers. 12.5% chance to have a useful skill every 20 seconds doesn't sound good if on top of it you have to play a ship that has it which while probably not the worst in Kagerou case, but there are better options for both torp boats, torp buffers and chain torps. All that said, follow your dreams, at worst you get one of the best torp boats for pve in tersms of power for cost

Bailey however is probably not as good

But at least she has a secretary quest so you have an excuse to max her

[vague token]

oh i forgot it was a chance activation

man

if it was 100% it'd be fun to play with

unreliable is a forgiving word xD

[modern tree]

Not everyone gets to have good skills, especially if they were added months ago, lel power creep

[vague token]

well, there's no creep on it cause they havent made anything like it

amagi is KIND OF similar but not quite

especially since interference doesnt even say how much damage reduction and attack speed reduction it gives

(nor the wiki lol)

is this skill literally the skill with the least info on it lol

[modern tree]

Just play Portland. Its the same chance to trigger, but the effect is better in terms of actually protecting you

[vague token]

i mean, i have portland ready for kai time

xD

it's just that a damage AND attack speed (not reload) is multiplicative nerfs

except on like akaga cause timing

but even if it hits akaga it'll cause desync

which can reduce damage taken a lot more than just 10% damage reduc

reee

actually huh, amagi just debuffs the damage stats

not reload

[modern tree]

I would tell you that I will try it but that's probably a lie. Maxing this skill when I am already struggling to level things up with 3 academy slots is not something I feel like doing. Getting Jintsuu skills maxed just today after I got her at around Christmas zzz

[vague token]

na it's ok

i just really wanted to do team debuff

[modern tree]

I hate academy system

[vague token]

also according to skill description only duration increases

so IF you were going to do testing, no need to bother with levels

[modern tree]

Hm

[vague token]

base chance isnt affected either

it's literally 5-10

duration

it's so weird

[modern tree]

Post event then. Need my coins to roll and kai of a rare will be like 20k

Gotta get that Amagi

[vague token]

same

i retro'd her during her secretary mission

just cause i could

xD

or was that after

i dont remember

i did at some point

[modern tree]

Her retro wasn't out before I finished her quest

[vague token]

oh, maybe i did it when amagi's skills got announced/translated

xD

i should just put this in game feedback lol

[modern tree]

I will poke Chinese wiki when I am not on phone, but it's likely nobody ever did testing for this skill just because uptime is so bad even if the debuff is okay

[vague token]

yeah probably lol

[subtle whale]

what uptime

[hybrid tendon]

The neps have great looking abilities

Damn

[subtle whale]

the pattern skills?

too bad only one of the are good

[hybrid tendon]

Shame that they are all 40%

Just imagine if that was 70%

A nep lineup would be crazy good

[subtle whale]

white heart barrage actually sucks

😐

[hybrid tendon]

Yea it rarely procs or hit

Havent had final slash of purple to ever procs

[subtle whale]

you need to stall

[hybrid tendon]

I have her at 95 alr

[subtle whale]

guess if you wanna try

[hybrid tendon]

Not even once

[subtle whale]

get in a fairly low damage map

have 2 repair ships

and just have default gun

[coral wren]

could anyone teach me how to climb up pvp rank?
yesterday i realized someone can get more point each battle. how to do that?

[modern tree]

Doesn't final slash trigger after you lost S rank to time?

[subtle whale]

yea

@coral wren you get additional points if you are behind +35 rank of the enemy you challenge

[modern tree]

Points

Not rank

Points specifically

[coral wren]

Just only 35 point above me?
If i have 200 point then i just try find ppl who have 235+ point then i can get more on it?

[subtle whale]

my bad

[coral wren]

Oh , i cant see other ppl point

[hot creek]

so im trying a new sandbagging strat right now.

gonna stay at the upper levels of the leaderboards instead of leaving my charges to go to 10/10, they'll be at 5/10 at most now

[subtle whale]

that not sandbag

[hot creek]

cause you know staying up there you'll get matched with pvp rushers

[subtle whale]

that the normal way

[urban coral]

hmmm

[hot creek]

i just got like a shitton of bonus points right now from this reset

three matches already

[subtle whale]

@strange patrol hms isnt even the best team

[strange patrol]

Not what the last 10 peeps told me in here

[subtle whale]

i guess its the easiest team to build

since there no limited in it

mainly the best regarded backline atm is wasd with hood/enty

[strange patrol]

Like I said, stats show Belfast (93%) and hood (78%) usage in top 1000 pvp and I’m basing my assumption on getting top top 1000

[urban coral]

eh...

hood and belfast are widely used in a lot of compositions

[subtle whale]

yeah

[urban coral]

hood is found in all three fleet comp

if not a general pick, an alternate to enterprise

[strange patrol]

.> three ain’t much personality

[subtle whale]

not of alot reliable pvp comp haha

[strange patrol]

I’m a man of personality and balance, one ship counters another and so you must then counter said counter in order to move on

[urban coral]

IJN has Akaga + Hood/Enterprise
USS has WASD + Hood/Enterprise
and HMS has QE + Hood + Warspite/Illustrious

those are pretty much the only effective compositions in the EN Server

[silver folio]

take best of both world.... cranes and enty

[subtle whale]

pvp for azurlane isnt a tryhard feature like in other game

[strange patrol]

And there there van consists of bel bel bel along with hood hood hood

[urban coral]

lmao wat

[subtle whale]

you cant use belbelbel in 1 comp

[urban coral]

okay I'm off lmao

[strange patrol]

Night

[subtle whale]

byebye

[coral wren]

QE + Hood+illustrious
How much effective is this comp?

[silver folio]

illustrious is trash

🚮

use warspite instead ffor en

[subtle whale]

illustrious is free real estate

[strange patrol]

My issue is the lack of checks for bel and attempting to make a team that counters BOTH hood and bel with out USING HOOD AND BEL >.>

[silver folio]

what lack of checks for bel?

[coral wren]

Well i do suspect that shield has kinda 0 of use without eldridge

[silver folio]

theres aurora

[strange patrol]

Illustri seen only works with elder

But I don’t know stats on them

[silver folio]

non-akaga is your "check" on bel, none of them have timings that line up with SS

[subtle whale]

mainly a team with illus is free food

[silver folio]

belfast isnt good without foxes

[subtle whale]

eldridge is countered by aurora

downw ith eldridge

[strange patrol]

.> I currently use hms and have no issue with foxy

[subtle whale]

foxy only good for attacking~

[silver folio]

HMS doesnt really have problems with foxy, who clamed that? :O

[strange patrol]

Ok so avora is a check there is one of 6 ships

[subtle whale]

aurora

avrora sucks

[strange patrol]

You just said foxes check bel and hood

[silver folio]

no i didnt

[subtle whale]

bel checks foxes

[silver folio]

bel CHECKS foxes LOL

[subtle whale]

foxes check e

[silver folio]

foxes+hood check E, specifically

[subtle whale]

murder her in cold blood

[strange patrol]

Who checks hood and bel dude said Aurora

As one option

[silver folio]

yes

aurora checks bel

and if ur team doesnt use foxes, you already countered belfast

[coral wren]

i think izurich said you can hms every setup on offense, jsut have to position them right in order to snipe that slutty e

[subtle whale]

e is pure

[silver folio]

HMS is better on offense than defense, ironically

[subtle whale]

no diss her

[silver folio]

on offense, ur main fleet gets to potshot their vangaurd with CL guns

[subtle whale]

the ability to delete a ship is great

[hot creek]

snipe all Enties on sight

[coral wren]

e is pure
yeah, okay 😄

[silver folio]

HMS isnt 100% snipe on enterprise btw

90% of the time she'll go off before dying

u can limit her to one air strike though

[hot creek]

doesn't matter. snipe all Enties on sight

if Enty flag, snipe the Wash.

[silver folio]

ur never gonna snipe the wash lol

too much hp

[subtle whale]

wash will snipe you though

[silver folio]

"sniping" usuaslly means killing them before they can fire once

[strange patrol]

I need some sleep, it’s 4am I’ll talk to you again on how to knock hood/bel out of meta or atleast drop there usage down

[silver folio]

why would u need to knock hood/bel out of the meta??

[coral wren]

Also, from inazuma testing it seems rn the best def fleet is wasd+e/jin+aur

[silver folio]

they're not problem ships

[subtle whale]

use condom if you doing that

[strange patrol]

98% usage 73% usage is why

[silver folio]

so juneau is a problem too?

100% usage

[vague token]

how would anyone knock bel out when her smoke gives 35% air strike damage reduction lol

[subtle whale]

juneau is almost 100$

[strange patrol]

June only has a 59% usage in top1000

[coral wren]

Ppl learned jin+aur combo

[strange patrol]

I only sampled the top 1000

[silver folio]

i dont understand how u find belfast a problem if u dont use foxes

[strange patrol]

I don’t I don’t pvp much yet

[silver folio]

[strange patrol]

I data mined the game to get usage stats

[subtle whale]

you will hate eldridge if you pvp often

[strange patrol]

And found those numbers after sampling the top 1000

[subtle whale]

[silver folio]

right. doiesnt mean she needs to get knocked down

[strange patrol]

Since my aim is top 1000 and ONLY 70 PEOPLE IN THE TOP 1000 DONT USE BEL AND 120 DONT USE HOOD BUGS ME

[coral wren]

hiryuu retro should tho

[subtle whale]

her retro prob isnt coming this event

[silver folio]

?? top 1000 is easy though

[subtle whale]

there still 2 days to annouce new retro

[coral wren]

Prob not, but if they are than god help us

[subtle whale]

portland retro pls

[strange patrol]

Out of 1000 people only 180 of them don’t use bel or hood

[silver folio]

does it matter if u see them every game? they dont roll over u like enterprise does

[subtle whale]

enty is balanced what

[coral wren]

she isn't

[strange patrol]

Entry is soft from what I know you can wipe her

[silver folio]

im saying belfast doesnt cheese out wins like enterprise does

like why even complain about belfast??

shes a low-variance ship thats fairly expected what she does

[subtle whale]

enty is either kill your whole team

[strange patrol]

If you can’t kill van you can’t win

[subtle whale]

or dies in turn 1

[silver folio]

i dont understand how u struggling with belfast if u dont use foxes

[strange patrol]

I use HMS my self

And it upsets me doing so

[silver folio]

then belfast being palyed against u matters not

[subtle whale]

he wants a varied meta gameof vanguard ships

[silver folio]

@subtle whale oh i see

[subtle whale]

pvp isnt a main feature of azurlane

doesnt get you exclusive stuff or a zillion of gems

[strange patrol]

It gets you gear, and Golden evo mats

[subtle whale]

bullin?

doesnt get you gear though

[silver folio]

considering even the main game isnt balanced, good luck with balacning azur lane PvP

[strange patrol]

And skill mats and retro mats

[coral wren]

it gives you sleep deprivation if anything

[strange patrol]

I mean it’s 4am and I’m stuck on this haha

[subtle whale]

i dont think retro mat are in pvp shops

[silver folio]

retro mats are not in pvp shops

[subtle whale]

if they were people would try hard more

[silver folio]

only purins and equip boxesr are of value

[strange patrol]

Gun upgrades sorry

[subtle whale]

plates?

plates are farmable not a problem

[strange patrol]

.> not the golden ones

[silver folio]

??

golden equip?

[subtle whale]

chest?

[silver folio]

u can farm golden equip to o

[strange patrol]

Yes

[subtle whale]

i think he means golden box

you can farm them

at stage 6+

[silver folio]

6-1 gives easy gold radar

[coral wren]

I think pvp would make more sense if they could at least add seasonal rewards, like boxes with guaranteed golden equipment if you hit top 10/100/500 etc etc

[strange patrol]

<—— spent 25,000 oil farming 6-4 didn’t see any gold box

I do have a lot of purples though

[coral wren]

7-2 i got 2 gold boxes, but i spent less than 25,000 for sure

[silver folio]

@balmy torrent ?

[lofty smelt]

Loot ships drop them I'm pretty sure

[high flume]

Jesus..top 500 is leagir RNG battle lol

*legit

[silver folio]

never got a single gold box from 6-4

[high flume]

the luckiest win OMEGALUL

[lofty smelt]

I mean, you just reset matches if you aren't going to win

[high flume]

ELridge + Enty

wait... waht?

[lofty smelt]

Matches aren't deducted until the match finishes

[high flume]

WOn't that get you banned tho?

[lofty smelt]

@silver folio I don't farm world 6 man, I wouldn't know

@high flume no, it's intentional

[high flume]

So...we can just rage quit whenever the situation doesn't look good?

[hot creek]

yeah thats what you gotta do.

[high flume]

TIL

[native mantle]

any good vanguards for hakaga?(atm i useing yama-chan+enty+hood and laffey-kai+helena+phoenix)

[lofty smelt]

@high flume pvp is super rng heavy, nobody would get high ranks otherwise

[silver folio]

juneau belfast fortune is pretty easy and braindead comp

basically stalls for ur hkaga

u can also take out hood and just run akaga E

[high flume]

@lofty smelt Welp, just learnt it today. Kinda regret I didn't join this dicord channel earlier T.T

[native mantle]

@silver folio leander or fotune dunno matter?

[lofty smelt]

Also @silver folio , since I wasn't speculating, gold boxes drop from treasure fleets like I said, and even from boss node.

[subtle whale]

fortune

cus she have bacline protection

[lofty smelt]

Pic I took now even

[silver folio]

interesting

in any case u wouldnt farm it intentionally for gold boxes anyway

[subtle whale]

yeah gold box drop from supply

[silver folio]

u pick the map with the bp u want then farm it

[subtle whale]

im dreading that i need 30 carrier bp for two retro

KILL ME

[silver folio]

@silver folio leander only good with 3 CLs... and even then i would take fortune tbh

[lofty smelt]

[silver folio]

yeah i'll dlete

[subtle whale]

now change your name to

enterprise fox best ships

[silver folio]

never

[lofty smelt]

Anyone know off the top of their head where Amagi's barrage lands in pvp

[silver folio]

NO COMPROMOSE for cranes

[subtle whale]

my crane still level 70

[silver folio]

if u do this i'll forgive u

[lofty smelt]

My cranes are at 1. Useless for PvP

[subtle whale]

what other cruiser retro worth saving for, im already ready for mogami and sd

[silver folio]

leander?

[lofty smelt]

Numbah One Kai

[subtle whale]

already retro leander and jintsuu

portland just need 1 gold bp

easy enough

[silver folio]

just retro another leander

shes deserves it

[subtle whale]

she doesnt

cus cleveland no1

[silver folio]

i dont recall any notable retrofits in NA besides leander

[subtle whale]

[silver folio]

just save ur shit

[subtle whale]

cus i need to farm carrier bp

[silver folio]

carrier bp? interesting

[subtle whale]

mogami, sd, portaland is 31

[silver folio]

what about sandy

[subtle whale]

sd = sandy

[silver folio]

o

[subtle whale]

sandy needs 20 gold bp

mogami 10

portland 1

[silver folio]

just save then tbh

who knowws if thet release new ship

NA retrofits arer meh

[subtle whale]

for carrier

30 cus of the 3 eltie to gold retro

[silver folio]

which

[subtle whale]

rabbits and saratoga

[silver folio]

ah rabbits

im not goin to lvl them

alreadfy got foxes and cranes

3 sets of redundant carriers is kinda for me

[subtle whale]

not me though

but yeah foxes prob still have the higher dps

cus of that extra launch speed

[silver folio]

foxes will probaly be better in 95% of scenarios

[subtle whale]

unless suddenly azurlane raid mode

[silver folio]

rabbits have some stupid RNG element too

[subtle whale]

[silver folio]

i think raid mode favors cranes tbh

since those would drag on

[subtle whale]

what if you can share buff with your other team members

[silver folio]

rabbits havve a weird niche in pvp tho

[subtle whale]

and just stack buff

[silver folio]

i dunno

im just using cranes rn cuz foxcse are boring

[subtle whale]

oh yeah there that coop mode upcoming

[silver folio]

for coop mode

[supple stratus]

Is there a PVP Tier list cause i swear Lusty isn't as bad as she is on the list?

[silver folio]

just stack tons of buffs tbh

dude lusty is shit

take it from someoen that plays HMS

[azure aurora]

Lusty is meh

[subtle whale]

i can confirm she is indeed shit

[silver folio]

a ship with double fighter slots that doesnt even line up with the most used CVs in the game (foxes)

🚮

[subtle whale]

@silver folio what about the op comp of illus akaga

[silver folio]

illus akaga

[azure aurora]

Enty akaga

Not lusty

[silver folio]

also in general, solo CVs arent that great if they're not named enterprise

[supple stratus]

I have an Enty, but i also have an akagi, use both to replace Lexi Lusty?

[native mantle]

@silver folio if ya recommended ships are <90/80 then to go with laffey-kai(99)/phoenix(100) and helena(90) should be work as vanguard until i got belfast, fortune, juneau to 95+?

[silver folio]

helena and laffey are decent for pvp imo

phoenix though is trash haha

[hot creek]

Lusty isn't solo CV, she pairs with Unicorn

[silver folio]

phoenix belongs in PVE land

honestly u can actually stick with helena and laffey, they'rep rety good

[azure aurora]

Pvp yamashiro?

[silver folio]

juneau/belfast/fortune are just solid and impossible to fuck up thats all

but helena and laffey are absolute monsters in their own right

they need more coordination because u dont throw helena and laffey everywhere

pvp yamashiro is a joke

u should farm kaga and then run akaga+enty @supple stratus

akagi on her own is pretty trolly

[azure aurora]

Akagi bb kaga ?

[supple stratus]

Welp i just got a possibility to MLB Akagi and Enty not Kaga so...

[silver folio]

i mean

akagi on her own is still better than useless tittyboat

[coral wren]

kms need it's flagship to give 50% stats to other kms boats

[supple stratus]

I will bop in either Hood or Tirp in the fleet too

[silver folio]

yeah both are good

u can never go wr ong with hood or tirp

[supple stratus]

Idk what to pick lol

[silver folio]

probalby hood for pvp

[azure aurora]

Go enty first

After that raise kaga

[silver folio]

ok firstof all yamacat is not for pvp

shes a pve ship

and phoenix is a pve ship

u can run juneau to replace her

in pvp

a generla rule is that u cant go wrong with sticking juneau in all of ur pvp comps

[supple stratus]

I need to fix my PVP comp soon but currently i'm running:

Hood, Lusty, Lexi

Belfap, Z23, Helena/Sandy

Thinking of adding a Wichita although need advice for vanguard

[silver folio]

dude

[native mantle]

@silver folio i was jsut confused cause my juneai is just level 81, my fortune only 70 and belfast just 90, and akaga only 83

[supple stratus]

Enty roast me

[subtle whale]

witchita is bad in pvp

[azure aurora]

Lexi pvp ?

[supple stratus]

It was Lexi or Long Island when i had only them ok?

[silver folio]

lusty and lexi and sandy are shit for pvp

if that z23 isnt kai shes shit too

[supple stratus]

It's Kai

[silver folio]

still meh but its tolerable

wichita is shit

[native mantle]

so helena+laffey kai+juneau shgould work until i got fortune and belfast higher?

[silver folio]

yeah and tbh u can actually keep running laffey and helena if they work for u

i only listed fortune belfast juneau because they're always good ships

they're "universal" vanguards

[native mantle]

and what to replace yama-chan with?

[silver folio]

enterprise, foxes, washington

literally most ships would be better

yamachan is msotly used for pve low oil meming

[native mantle]

i dunno have wash. enty is already in it and foxes just 83

[silver folio]

then foxus on lveling ur foxes up

and when tehyre at a decent level run them

akaga + enterprise will take care of 95% of pvp teams tbh

[native mantle]

90+ i guess?

[silver folio]

i would even run them now if ur opps are weak

easy exp

[supple stratus]

My options for Vanguard replacements: Eldridge, Cleve, Eugen, Indy

Tell me what i need for a good vanguard and i'll train them up if/when i get them

[silver folio]

depends what kind of fleet u want

[supple stratus]

PvP balanced, as all things should be

[silver folio]

cleveland is ok as a standin until ur other ships are levelede

eugen and indy belong in the trash heap

no theres se veral avnues
foxes
HMS
wasd
generally in en-meta

[supple stratus]

Crossed them out already but left them in for some god forsaken miracle

I could run HMS, but no good HMS Vnaguard exception to Belfap and Aurora?

[silver folio]

those two are amazing lol

then just stick a juneau in there and 👏

aurora literally goes in every comp

MAX her out u cant go wrong

[supple stratus]

Oof i got the materials, now to refine them

[silver folio]

belfast/aurora/juneau, very good vanguard setup that fits in every comp

fortune for those that dont have aurora

[supple stratus]

I can run Hood, QE, Lusty/Enty, Belfap, Aurora, Juneau

[silver folio]

yeah thats actually good

although i would replace lusty with warspite

[supple stratus]

Don't have it, only got what i have

[silver folio]

in an HMS i guess shes not TOO bad though

i think enty would actually be better than lusty evne in HMS lol

[supple stratus]

can't go wrong with Owarida

[silver folio]

yeah

literally if u dont know what to do just stick owarida in there

totally not biased or anything

[supple stratus]

[silver folio]

like i said, belfap/aurora/juneau are excellent ships that pretty much never fall off

[supple stratus]

Should i spend my gems on more studies or dorm space cause tbh i wanna save for Eld skin, but too far for me

[silver folio]

skins are useless so prob dorm space

but studies are great too

at 2 study slots u have more books than u can use
at 3 study slots, thats not the case

but dorm slots are just free exp sooooooo

🤷

[supple stratus]

I don't have enough attack books so to the dorms we go!

[silver folio]

sure

eldirdge is decent for pvp but shes more of a niche pick than someone u run everyday

[supple stratus]

Thanks for the help, wish there was a guide for PvP cause i'm guess pvp beginners will look to the pve list and get mistaken

[native mantle]

@silver folio and I'm not a fan of fortune. that crying face is just disgusting xD

[supple stratus]

Eldridge could be there just to make Owarida cry

[silver folio]

bai rose use aurora then

[native mantle]

dunno have her

[supple stratus]

Light construction

[native mantle]

i know

[supple stratus]

Slowly get her from doing that free cube build

[native mantle]

but i save my stuff for amagi

[silver folio]

can just stick in a random helena no one will be the wiser tbh

[native mantle]

aye i was think to stick with juneau+laffey kai+helena

[silver folio]

yeah thats fine

honestly its very flexible and gear/skill levels matter more than ur comp

its just that against fox comps you (might) have trouble

which is why belfast is such a ubiquitous pick

[native mantle]

aye i was think to use her when i get her near to laffeys level

[silver folio]

this is my lazy comp that i use to do most of my matches

[native mantle]

and cause i save my bulins for foxes i can't MBL belfast

[silver folio]

fairly well balanced
not too weak against anything

i could replace belfast with a benson but that would leave me weaker against fox mirrors (not that i lose them anyway)

[native mantle]

what from foxes deal the most dmg, the 2x500lb fighters, barracuda or S2bc?

[silver folio]

the barracudas

fighters are shit for damage

but they're still damage

s2bc are just solid overal damage, but the cudas are what deletes ships

[native mantle]

k got 2 golden barracudas one on enty and one on yandere fox-chan^^

[silver folio]

s2bc = reliable damage, the circule aoe around ships
cuda = the torps in the water that explode on contact

if u have ryuusei u should put them on kaga

im assuming ur new though so u dont have them (they're an event drop)

ryuusei = homing torpedos

but golden barracudas are fucking good anyway sooo up to u

i use 2 golden barracuda / 1 ryuusei
even 3 golden barracuda isnt bad

its a fucking golden banana cant go wrong with it

if u run HMS, this is what u use
notice i didnt change the vanguard at all? these vanguards are ubiquitous

[native mantle]

my problem is morei just have like 2-3 ships on lvl 100

[silver folio]

yeah just take it slow

pvp is easy enough that u can win with waifus (provided correct gear/skill levels)

u have a 20% attackers damage bonus

that skews things in y our favor

[native mantle]

aye and if i get amagi i will need to change vanguard ofc

[swift echo]

imma ask here

is this a good debuff pvp fleet

ark royal, amagi, Tennessee
sendai, aurora, ardent

[subtle whale]

but why though

[native mantle]

damn just got 15 instead of 18 in my last fight...just rank 90 now instead of 20

[subtle whale]

@swift echo swap ardent for helena no?

[modern tree]

Does good mean good at debuffing or capable of winning

[slow totem]

you can win with memes if you reset hard enough

[knotty parcel]

pvp is as boring as it can be, i made like 50 different fleet, everytime it ends in enterprise vs enterprise

[gritty cove]

Then don't include enty, ez

[slow totem]

Then don’t use... Enterprise...?

Da hell?

[urban coral]

true, use Hood instead

[slow totem]

50 different fleets, but somehow someway, all of them have Enty in it.

I’m not even mad, that’s amazing.

Better than Red Dead E 2.

[gritty cove]

Amagi doesn't seem that great to me

[slow totem]

We’ll see how it unfolds,

Looks solid for Twinfoxes since we don’t have Nagato yet.

[gritty cove]

That's about it, yea

The barrage seems better than on hood to harass vanguard

But idk how the dmg is

[modern tree]

Amagi will make wasd even more zzzzzzz

[slow totem]

Shieeeeet

💤

Torp frontline issa good since it has absolutely no defense against anything.

But the backline stalling gonna be 💤

[modern tree]

Just run destron or naptime frontline, fuck shooting fast once

Wasd doesn't need amagi to shoot fast

Foxes do but they're also ijn

So back to destron

Very fun meta going at increadible amount of variety

[gritty cove]

Yup

[modern tree]

See me with my hms unless hiryuu, then fuck yall I would rather tank a mirror

Dumb boat

[slow totem]

“What you see now is my normal state.” Base game PvP Meta

“This is what you call as a Super Saiyan.” Fallen Wings

“This is what you call a Super Saiyan who has ascended Super Saiyan.” Aurora Jintsuu

“AND THIS IS... TO GO... EVEN... FURTHER BEYOND!!”
“No! Azur Lane, stop!”
“AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!”

Nagato, Hiryuu Kai, Amagi

[modern tree]

That's the mirror

You could play hms against that but you could also try shooting your foot with a shotgun and see which works better

You though 5 second invuln was annoying, try 15 that launches free airstrike

[real notch]

with kai stats hiryuu airpower is like enteprise level lol

(391 to 394)

adds to her viability

[slow totem]

I can rest easy knowing that comp will cuck Foxes.

No fast wins 4 u

[real notch]

yea she can

most likely she will

[slow totem]

Is this fun or not for the meta?

[gritty cove]

More variety the better

[slow totem]

Like the “50 Fleets, but all of them has Enty” guy?

[gritty cove]

[modern tree]

Variety is not hiryuu sweeping you with doube airstrike which is actually more damage than lucky e due to plane suicide just because you dared to damage her below 2hp

Every game until you like it

[real notch]

the IJN bias just kicks in again

[native mantle]

kemonomimi rules!!!!

[gritty cove]

Just saying that it'd be nicer to have more variety in the viable ships

[real notch]

nah

impossibru

best variety was actually in EN from like oct-nov

[native mantle]

like sora said: Kemonomimi is the best^^

[real notch]

because EN was unique at that time and people were experimenting

but aurora and jintsuu are in now

and only thing left is sendai to seal the deal

[modern tree]

we get to play belfast jintsuu aurora or belfast eldridge juneau with every backline because it just works dot png

[real notch]

so that'll be the end of vanguard variety xd

[modern tree]

former being better

[real notch]

yea belfast jintsuu aurora is still a thing tho

a lot of cool DDs get crowded out

when torps become threatening

[modern tree]

yeah former is the thing you just said is the thing

[real notch]

fortune, eldridge, laffey kai

basically whatever ship you put to tank slot is getting sacrificed

lmao

[vague token]

CA time bois

[modern tree]

it works way too fell with hms, something about belfast hitting vanguard 20% faster and 20% more accurate

on top of QE buff

[real notch]

yea tho it sucks i think the only truly viable CAs even with 120 are like

saint louis, portland, mogami

which isn't bad i guess

3 ships

[modern tree]

medium armour takes more damage to torps than light, good luck with your cas btw

[vague token]

torp bulge and double base hp, it is fine xD

[slow totem]

Torps are rng prone in the first place, don’t assume they work 100% of the time, so it’s not the end of the world

[vague token]

not like you can dodge when aurora sendai are around

[slow totem]

Hiryuu Kai tho, it works 100% of the time.

[modern tree]

only way this works is opening smoke, else you just eat torps and sink

CAs require way too much commitment

[real notch]

belfast opening smoke?

[modern tree]

to be viable atm

[slow totem]

Leander

Or Cygnet

[modern tree]

no, Leander or Cygnet

[slow totem]

They both work

Tried it myself

[real notch]

oh

[slow totem]

Work enough for me to not go residentsleeper on Aurora’s bullshit.

Not sure if it’s “up to Sirreq’s standards”

[modern tree]

Belfast Leander Aurora is totally legit hms lineup that will make you eat shit, the problem is that jintsuu is just better than leander in every way except for smoke

[real notch]

well

it's viable

[slow totem]

Opening smoke
Vanguard tanks torps or they miss
Torp meme vanguard dies in the first round of BB shelling/foxes/owari da

[real notch]

the opening smoke

[slow totem]

That’s how I handle aurora torp memes

[modern tree]

houston requires rng to even trigger her skill and CA guns are not very fast

[real notch]

the problem i see is that leander otherwise is pretty unreliable with 30% proc at 20s

and her stats aren't that savory either

[slow totem]

And works reliably enough that I don’t go resident sleeper on it,

No need.

[real notch]

i did consider at one point to level leander though

[slow totem]

Torp vanguards die at the first 20 seconds

BB shelling/Foxes/Lucky E/whatever, they won’t get a second round of torps out.

[modern tree]

Leander has more or less better stats than belfast, her only weakness is torps being too low to bother with too much

[real notch]

no steroids like belfast

[slow totem]

So the second rng smoke don’t matter much.

[modern tree]

belfast leander aurora has one and only weakness of having nobody to hold the dildo

[real notch]

it's pretty diff man

just checked it's 3126 hp to 3544

[modern tree]

its super good otherwise

especially backed by QE

[real notch]

that's like more than a torp bulge worth of hp

[slow totem]

The opening smoke + torp bulge can handle torp memes so I’m not in a rush to pull Aurora from light build hell.

Gets me wins, I’m satisfied, end of story. I’m not Sirreq

[real notch]

well it's not a trash ship

it's still viable

just have to rank it appropriately relative to other choices

[slow totem]

Just different goals

[modern tree]

you can also be a "normal" person and play edinburgh leander belfast in hms, it wins, a lot more than it would seem it could win

[slow totem]

Sirreq wants the best overall comp.

I just want to win, get my merits, and purins.

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

lmao

well the best overall comp does contribute to winning

[slow totem]

That’d be Mirror Torp comp then both vanguards crash into each other and annihilate each other simultaneously.

[real notch]

statistically speaking the winrate should be higher with the best overall comp

[slow totem]

I’d go “Holy fucking shit” on that.

Or this,

[vague token]

glow worm meta

stronk

[real notch]

LMAO

[slow totem]

JESUS SHALL NOT DIE TODAY

[real notch]

very ballsy play

[coral wren]

confirmed no bunny retrofits

[real notch]

nani

[slow totem]

That one time Glowworm can be useful, she isn’t there.

[coral wren]

for en

[slow totem]

#game-news basically

[modern tree]

we get to have fun for one more update yay

[slow totem]

[real notch]

lmao

am excited for amagi though

[slow totem]

I’d rather face Amagi than Enterprise.

It’s such a bore sometimes.

[modern tree]

why not both

[slow totem]

Shieeeeeet

:z...

Wait

Both means no WASD

sign me up

[real notch]

not gonna lie

from what it looksl ike

amagi doesn't look good

lmao

i just took a look at her page again

and things are not adding up for me

[slow totem]

She’s sick, should be in hospital, but Shitkikans keep sending her to battle.

[modern tree]

there is no reason to go full ijn frontline for one faster shot zzz

you are not stuck with it

[slow totem]

Well, Jintsuu, Ayaya, Fubuki can be a thing.

[real notch]

her debuff is 9%

[modern tree]

you'd run her to bulk up mostly, in which case stalling front makes more sense

[real notch]

fire dmg/EVA reduction is 10%

it looks amazing because a lot of text is there

but the numbers aren't boggling

yeae it's good

but it's not mind boggling

especially when you consider her shit hp

6.5k

[slow totem]

We’ll see for real in a few weeks

[real notch]

actual trash tier AA

162

[slow totem]

And stop bully the sickly ship, she’s sick.

[modern tree]

aegis and stall frontline

[real notch]

nothing special in her firepower, eva, hp, AA

it's all subpar

[slow totem]

She’s sick, Sirreq, stahp.

[real notch]

especially if you put her mid

[slow totem]

You’re bullying a terminally ill patient forced into battle.

[real notch]

which is what all twinfox players will use

so she'll get slapped

[slow totem]

[real notch]

by touchdown dmg

[slow totem]

Staaaahp

[real notch]

and then her first 2 skills are useless after shes dead

[slow totem]

Noooooo

[real notch]

ok for comparison, hood is 7.6k HP as a fellow BC

[modern tree]

akaga with her doesnt make much sense unless super fast first barrage kills a backline in combination with foxes

[real notch]

6.5k to 7.6k

[slow totem]

Her barrage looks scattered

Not focused like Hood’s

[real notch]

and that 162 AA wtf

that'

is like fukin

DD level AA

fortune

level AA

[slow totem]

Hammann has 280 AA

[real notch]

anyways i'm not sure

that's my predictions

[slow totem]

Only one real way to find out, yes?

[real notch]

in conclusion i don't think she'll be good

[slow totem]

Theory crafting can only get you so far

I’m looking forward to face her rather than E, that’s for sure, less of resident sleeper.

[real notch]

only thing i request is

the voice lines are in

when she's released

[slow totem]

Voice lines are in

#game-news

[real notch]

because she's voiced by the legendary miyuki sawashiro

[slow totem]

It’s in,

[real notch]

alright

[slow totem]

Sirreq likes hearing Miyuki Sawashiro coughing tuberculosis

🛡

[modern tree]

her aa is bad because she is pre carrier era bb

[slow totem]

All IJN BBs have bad AA by default.

[modern tree]

#lore

[slow totem]

#deepestlore

[modern tree]

most of ijn bbs are pre cv era

#LORE

[slow totem]

[real notch]

against BB matchups her skills are a bit of a better fit

reduced fire dmg on the 50% proc that BB shells have

[slow totem]

The USS: Master of planes, master of shooting down planes.

[real notch]

increased EVA to dodge shells

against planes though.....

actually to counter that i think i'll slap ryuusei on my enterprise

so she'll just 9x torp amagi

at 4:37

[modern tree]

between aegis, wasd and juneau she will totally be fine on aa front

[real notch]

with juneau rip the IJN boost

[modern tree]

what boossssst

you guys are inconcievable

[real notch]

the prefire shot

[slow totem]

You don’t need the fast first shot

[real notch]

maybe wasd + amagi with juntsuu sendai ayanami

that way u can still get her IJN boost

[slow totem]

RIP AA

Yeah, she’s optimized against BBs anyway

So it makes sense

Don’t use her against CV-heavy lineups

[real notch]

fuk eldridge xd

she's ded

long live foxes

[slow totem]

o boi

Waifu wars

[real notch]

[slow totem]

But that!s not a good bait

What would be better?

... “Amagi sucks, typical sickly yamato nadeshiko trash”?

[real notch]

fight fire with fire

CV vs CV

[slow totem]

Disclaimer: Firefighters do not recommend using fire to put out fires.

[coral wren]

I guess amagi would be "not broken" tier if her buffs were usable to ijn fleet only

[slow totem]

No, everyone can use it

[real notch]

yea my foxes take almost 0 plane touchdown

[slow totem]

Only the self buff needs IJN

[coral wren]

yeah, that's the point

[real notch]

because my 3CV comp covers all timeframes of airstrike launches

[slow totem]

What’s the major weakenss of that 3 CV comp?

[real notch]

losing their vanguard

[slow totem]

Ai yaaaaa

[real notch]

if you kill their vanguard they have no 2ndary guns

so it's free win

[slow totem]

What about...

Houshou in PvP

She has CL gunz!!!

Ai Yaaaaaaa!!!

[real notch]

maybe

but the value that i see is that

you can't beat 3CV comp at vanguard killing

because with desron + fox strike

your vanguard will likely die faster than theirs

[modern tree]

glowworm is a wildcard possibly fortune, possibly something else, fusou is amagi, there is actually no reason to go for fast first shot because your stalling capability is so increadibly high, yea it may lose to 3cv maybe but in any other matchup this shit will be whack

[slow totem]

I usually do it by deliberately letting my vanguard get killed then mow them down using guaranteed bb shelling tho?

Just like how IriyaBaker does it

[real notch]

if you have 3 BBs in backline

that's a viable strat

if you have 2

it likely won't work

[slow totem]

Yea, WASD NoCal/Hood, it works.

[real notch]

because whatever isn't a BB will die to touchdown

[slow totem]

Consistently too,

You aren’t implying 3 CVs is an elixir solution, right?

Cause it’s not.

[real notch]

i still need more testing but

it is

just because there is a fleet that is geared to counter it

doesn't mean it's not the best fleet

you have to consider the frequency of that fleet too

[slow totem]

Oh, if that’s your argument, then I’m out lol. Different goals, would just be empty talk.

[modern tree]

(akaga enterprise with destron loses very rarely to popular shit because plane touchdown and vanguard slaying are increadible ammount of pressure that breaks most fleets apart)

[real notch]

yeah

popular shit like wasd ent

[silver folio]

about time ppl realized enty cranes was the best

[slow totem]

I can beat it, so not a problem for me.

[real notch]

i think 1 other thing to consider is

[slow totem]

That’s all that matters,

I can mirror match, but meh,

[real notch]

whether or not enty plane cloaking was hotfixed

because if it isn't

then however much high AA u have

u can't shoot down ent planes

[slow totem]

It’s fixed, I shot them down with solo Enty, so they are definitely Enty’s planes.

[real notch]

it's not consistent

it happens intermittently

it's technically a bug

that wasn't hotfixed in JP environment

[slow totem]

It’s okay, I can beat the comp, so end of story for me.

[real notch]

partially a reason why ent is still really good

[silver folio]

enty cranes is the best. im out

[slow totem]

Zuikaku ❤ Enterprise

[real notch]

if it was hotfixed send me news

[slow totem]

Zuikaku really does like Enterprise

And Onee-chan, but that’s wincest yo

[silver folio]

best fleet confirmed in lore, add healthy dose of helena

shake and enjoy merits

[slow totem]

Eldridge: 💤

[silver folio]

die

[slow totem]

That’s Unicorn!

[silver folio]

u dont mention that forbidden ship here

[slow totem]

[silver folio]

repeat after me: eldridge doesnt exist

[slow totem]

“70% chance for Unicorn to Ganbaru and deals 3x damage on airstrike, also healing whole fleet by 50%”

[modern tree]

enjoy healthy dosage of bb shelling on SKK that takes bonus damage because ZKK is in fleet, best regrds, HMS

[slow totem]

Ark Royal wants a spotlight too

[silver folio]

5% well worth since the 20% on zui outweighs it

[slow totem]

Ark Royal is a legit pic, damn.

[modern tree]

the only way to make HMS not just win against this fleet is to put ZKK mid and I have never ever seen anyone do that

[slow totem]

Esp to Torp Meme that doesn’t run Foxes.

[silver folio]

no one runs cranes to even test

[modern tree]

because you either get skk or enterprise sniped and then the other one that is flagship sniped

[silver folio]

and for those that run cranes, not even with the proper setup or gear

[modern tree]

and you lose

[silver folio]

enterprise cant get sniped by HMS reliably without a reset

[slow totem]

Wait, this is a meme statement replied by serious statements

Oh yes, she can actually.

[silver folio]

no

i have HMS

maxed to test

its not "reliable"

[slow totem]

You use it wrong then.

[silver folio]

i have maxed 410 on hood and wspite

[slow totem]

I dunno, but I snipe her all day. On lexington.

[silver folio]

maxed skills +10 belguns

for max fp

not consistent because enty's evasion stat is too high

[slow totem]

Dying or dead at 15 seconds,
If the latter, tanking One lucky E is ez,
Dead after that.

[silver folio]

i... can record a pvp match later to show u

[slow totem]

Unless Hood is being a bitch and don’t proc barrages.

[silver folio]

there u go

[modern tree]

whens "Hoods Glasses" aux

[slow totem]

But, Enty can also not proc Lucky E and die anyway

[silver folio]

70%, and that barrage needs to fully land and not fizzle

yeah

[slow totem]

So it balances out

[silver folio]

not doubting that, i was only doubting the sniping part

ent can totally fizzle by not procing

[slow totem]

Reliable enough for me to not having to reset often, only rarely I do.

[silver folio]

u dont need to reset with proper built hms

[modern tree]

I'd still rather target SKK and most of the fleets have enterprise mid either way

[slow totem]

I’m not Sirreq, often enough to not bore me out is already reliable.

[silver folio]

so it works out

[modern tree]

even tho there's no disadvantage in running ZKK mid

[silver folio]

u dont need to reset with proper built HMS, u'll win even if u dont snipe her out

[slow totem]

But it’s fun!

[silver folio]

the sniping scenario is less than 50% though