pvp

[slow totem]

I don’t understand the purpose of these tests after all.

[azure aurora]

To try best combination

[slow totem]

Best combination to get Gensui without too many resets?

[real notch]

the purpose of the tests is to get empirical data on certain matchups

and they're usually vague, or unclear matchups where you may not be sure whether one wins or not

[slow totem]

So what’s with all the gushing about certain comps? this OP and that OP?

[azure aurora]

Yep

[real notch]

i don't do reset tests of insanely one-sided comps like

twinfox vs eldridge fleets

[slow totem]

Since you said yourself, any comp can be rekt if you prepare for it.

[real notch]

that's just silly and a waste of time

what i'm doing is stress testing certain fleets against opponents that it's not itemized against

to find out the overall defense capabilities in the current meta

[azure aurora]

I remember using H wasd , worst wasd

[real notch]

well, defense and offense

[slow totem]

Foxes are OP... against Eldridge and bad AA

Desrons are OP... if the torps hit

WASD Hood cause I don’t want E duels

[real notch]

yes u r correct, any comp can be rekt if you itemize against it

[azure aurora]

Hey its funny

E vs E

[real notch]

but PVP involves a variety of comps currently

[azure aurora]

[slow totem]

[real notch]

these reset tests help determine it's effectiveness in the overall meta

not just against the fleet it's designed to faceroll

[slow totem]

I see, so I’ve been misunderstanding the main purpose of your tests

[azure aurora]

Cant wait for more diverse option for main fleet

[urban coral]

E vs E showdowns get annoying pretty fast when you only have a limited time to play tho

[azure aurora]

Winter crown and amagi

[slow totem]

But I’m still curious about the gushing regarding certain comps?

I think I still lack understanding in that part

[real notch]

yeah, so by doing these reset tests in aggregate

you will find certain winrate patterns are higher on some fleets than others

which results in the fleet being "objectively" better than others

for example, if against fleets X, Y, Z, your wasd has the current winrates:
X - 70%
Y - 85%
Z - 99%

[slow totem]

So in other words, the best fleet that can perform generally better than niche fleets?

[real notch]

and your fox fleet has
X - 50%
Y - 70%
Z - 90%

then objectively speaking, the wasd fleet is better than the fox fleet

[slow totem]

Ooooooh

[real notch]

and thats when you can you can call the fox fleet "trash" and the wasd fleet "op"

[slow totem]

So my last statement-question it is then

[real notch]

yeah

that is essentially what "meta" is, in all games

[slow totem]

You’re looking for the best General-use Fleet

[real notch]

a hero, composition, or fleet that performs best in all scenarios

[slow totem]

Not Rock-Paper-Scissors fleet

[real notch]

like lee sin is meta in league

handlock (was) meta in hearthstone

[slow totem]

Cause he’s very versatile

I get it. Like Fox in SMASH bros

[real notch]

reinhardt is meta in overwatch

yea

they're just

better at doing the job

in all or mostly all ways than other options

[slow totem]

Good at various kinds of jobs, reliable versatility

I thought your purpose was to win against certain comps

That’s why I thought your test was a bit masochistic

[real notch]

because PVP competitive games are not really based a game win but rather statistical wins over a large sample size

[slow totem]

Misunderstanding kek

[real notch]

meta has developed into "the best go to if you want to win" option

[slow totem]

Yea like how certain heroes in Dota 2 get picked a lot more often than others, cause they can accomplish things better/easier

[real notch]

yea

i don't play dota 2 but like idk

that fukin hero than duplicates himself like 90 times

well dota's pretty nice cus i heard many many many heroes are viable at top competitive play

[slow totem]

Phantom Lancer, lol.

Eh, certain heroes, you’ll always see in top plays

But not as bad as other games yea in terms of balance

memes notwithstanding

[real notch]

yea and solo carry potential is higher than in league

not too sure tho

i don't play dota 2

[slow totem]

Power Level per hero is certainly higher

[real notch]

but the games i do play i approach it similar to how i approach AL

methodically and competitively

so aiming for diamond in league, legend in hs, GM in overwatch

[slow totem]

But isn’t the weakness in meta comps is that everyone knows how to counter that?

Pros and cons

While unconventional comps can throw your opponent off balance

In Real-time PvP ofc, not AL

[real notch]

well not really

it's not that easily countered

if they were then there wouldn't be a ban phase in competitive league play

meta is there because they are not easily countered

[slow totem]

WOKE, I see

[real notch]

but yea i acknowledge this game is not as competitive as others, it's more like an indie chill collector game

so don't mind me and i hope i don't annoy anyone with my overly-analytical approach to a waifu ship game

[slow totem]

I just had a misunderstanding on your main purpose of the tests

I thought it was “I want to beat this comp”

So your insistence on using certain comps while there were easier ways perplexed me. XD

[coral wren]

That's actually quite interesting. At least i do prefer pvp to pve grind any day

[real notch]

ohhh xd i hope it is clearer now at least

[slow totem]

WOKE af boiiiii

[real notch]

actually on the topic of leesin

super interesting because he had no hard counters

as he had literally no skill ceiling

people kept evolving with the champ season over season until he became unstoppable

that riot had to gradually nerf him every time some player found some sick new lee trick

honestly riot's best designed champ

[glossy jay]

reesinga

[real notch]

your will, my hands

[slow totem]

🍆

[azure aurora]

[odd schooner]

Ayy thanks

It's really hard to find decent def fleet that would stall you hard atm

[slow totem]

WASD Hiryuu Kai when?

[odd schooner]

Lmao testing 2 stall fleet was probably a bad idea

[azure aurora]

Don't mind that power

[odd schooner]

Look at the time

[coral wren]

Was there a testing of wasd vs wasd, but yours is juneau/bel/eldr vs jin/aur/bel?

[odd schooner]

Hmm i could do that

[azure aurora]

Jin aur pretty rare

[coral wren]

Please do, i wonder what results will be

[azure aurora]

[odd schooner]

Not sure why bel tho

But ok

Wait

[coral wren]

Based on inazuma tests jin+aur has more success than june+eldr

[odd schooner]

Should i use enty for your test

[coral wren]

y

[azure aurora]

Yes

[odd schooner]

Not 200 oath aurora jints so here it goes

Ayy lnao the enemy was using fortune instead of Juneau

But ye, here it goes

When opening torps failed

[coral wren]

[real notch]

Wait wasnt ur jintsuu like lv92 or something

[azure aurora]

Rip

[odd schooner]

It's maxed for a while now

[azure aurora]

Did u win ?

[real notch]

Oo mb

[coral wren]

His rear is winning but vng getting rekt

[odd schooner]

Yep I'm winning cause the enemy doesn't have juneau

But it might change once it's juneau

[real notch]

Weird

Ur vg is getting rekt somehow

[odd schooner]

One lucky E and it somehow dies off

[real notch]

Yeah thats rly weird

Whats ur aux setup

My vg never died to lucky e

[subtle whale]

who vg

[real notch]

Usually never loses the vg race

[real notch]

Vanguard

Aaaa

Ok

Our setups are slightly diff

[odd schooner]

Opening torp sure hurts them a lot tho if it doesn't miss

[real notch]

Wtf i just realized

I didnt have badge on my fleet while doing those reset tests with 3cv

[odd schooner]

[real notch]

Also my middle ship had bulge instead of toolkit

Ok I fixed it maybe, still not sure where badge should go

My jintsuu is incomplete

[odd schooner]

I could try that out

[real notch]

Yeah the dildo works really well

I havent tested the boiler tho

[odd schooner]

Ah heck it's hard to try if enemy is not using Juneau

[real notch]

My positioning is belfast jintsuu aurora btw

[odd schooner]

I did refresh probably my last refresh this season

Let's try it out on him

[coral wren]

Hm

You carry badge on vang, not sadak?

[odd schooner]

Ok i edited aux almost the same as req but used sg radar on aurora instead and slapped sodak with badge

[modern tree]

SG on Aurora is probably not worth it over just another toolbox

[odd schooner]

[real notch]

LUL

Tf

Wtf

[coral wren]

what the fuck

[real notch]

No sg pls

[azure aurora]

Why ?

No , how ?

[real notch]

And yeah i have badge on vg because I'm using 3cv backline

[coral wren]

Ahh, right

[real notch]

Normally in wasd i put badge on Washington

[odd schooner]

Double toolbox on aurora

Actually they got hit by shell twice

I'll do 5 tries lemme check how it will go

[real notch]

This is pretty much the difference between jintsuu vs no jintsuu

Identical fleets but one had jintsuu instead of Helena

The fights became much closer against the jintsuu fleet

[coral wren]

I just wonder if aur+jin will make a better stale fleet than jun+eldr

[odd schooner]

1 - win (vanguard lost but enemy Washington sank)
2 - close win (both vanguard lost both lucky E didn't proc but enemy sodak already sank)
3 - win (Vanguard lost enemy enterprise sank)
4 - win (enemy vanguard sank with allied vanguard fully intact)
5 - win (juneau and Eldridge sank on opening torp)

The last match

4th match

3rd match

[coral wren]

nice, thx!

[odd schooner]

Welp I screwed up and killed the test subject

[gritty cove]

f

[slow totem]

🇫

[coral wren]

all those mk bullins wasted on eldridge

[modern tree]

Eldridge will do well in ASW, it's fine

[odd schooner]

There's a lot of players who are still using E so there's still hope

[slow totem]

I maxed Eldridge cause I liked her before I knew she has niche uses.

[modern tree]

I bought a skin for her because I like her but her default sprite gives me the creeps

[coral wren]

Oo but why

[modern tree]

Still use her for some bosses because Helena doesn't live long enough without rainbows

[slow totem]

What’s up with her default futuristic skin? Curious.

[coral wren]

the spokiest of em all for me is shouhou retro, due to her pale skin and dull eyes that stare right into your soul

but i guess that's just because i watched too many jap horrors

[modern tree]

I just find her default sprite creepy. I am happy with the fat cat instead

[pastel forge]

reminded me that haven't use my shouhou yet after retrofitting and max lvling her

[odd schooner]

I'm actually waiting for eldridge l2d skin so i can raise her affinity

She's literally 50 affection due to being a dorm landlady

[pastel forge]

I think mine is friendly, I don't think I'll lvl her skill past 9 tho

[coral wren]

legit onryo

[modern tree]

I guess having 40 ships with max level and affection to play pvp is weird

But putting purins in something you just keep in dorm as a trophy does not seem normal to me either

[slow totem]

Humans aren’t normal.

[modern tree]

All that poor cola

[slow totem]

If we’re all normal, we wouldn’t be putting in real money to invest in jpegs with prerecorded voicelines, y’know,

It doesn’t make sense.

[modern tree]

I dropped money on this game because I spent roughly 500 hours playing it by now and I think it's fair they get something for keeping me sane on the train. Even if it's bunch of chibis punching each other with torpedoes for imaginary ranks

[slow totem]

See? We’re weird.

[coral wren]

Eh, there are ppl who invest money in 3d models with prerecorded voicelines as well and still they are considered normal 😄

[slow totem]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

I legit ROFL irl

[coral wren]

[gritty cove]

Or some people marry their hatsune miku holograms

[blazing scroll]

I dropped money on the game because I really enjoy it so far and want to keep supporting it

And the skins ofc

[odd schooner]

[icy cliff]

god I love maxed Jintsuu / Ayanami / Aurora frontline

5 sec dead, 10 sec reach enemy backlane already

also would Sendai kai works better than Aurora in Nagato fleet?

[modern tree]

Whynotboth

[icy cliff]

well got Jintsuu and Ayaya

both is too good to separate

[modern tree]

Aurora Sendai is probably better for foxes, but if you care only about Aya torps, Aurora is better and this is probably what you are stuck with unless you fancy another torp boat/buff

Could try Fubuki, commit to the torps

[icy cliff]

Aurora evasion decrease skill is too good

[modern tree]

Yep

[icy cliff]

I even already have maxed Fubuki

but Aurora feels better

[modern tree]

And Sendai is delayed till 15

Or 10 or something

[icy cliff]

just checked wiki, its 10sec

idk how big her flare is

could be counter Belfast but idk

[modern tree]

About as big as Belfast smoke, ye. But opening torps are probably too important for the meme, so Aurora

[icy cliff]

I dont have lv.120 fleet in JP version pvp to check it

ah ok, got it

but imma still gonna farm for Sendai anyway

ppl will start using CA one day with lv uncap so Sendai is not a bad option

[modern tree]

I don't think you have to worry about lowering evasion of CAs

[icy cliff]

[modern tree]

I know this isnt 120 but 25% (sendai flare) of that is 14 evasion

Again, I do not think you have to worry about CAs dodging your torps

[icy cliff]

most CA at lv.120 got doubled (or more) their evasion

which is almost equal to lv.100 CL evasion

with their fat HP and cant be lower with Aurora buff

Foxes vs CL without Aurora buff will "not good enough" even without Belfast smokescreen

also afaik ppl will push their evasion to 100-ish with evasion auxilary equip, gold engine thinggy from research

[modern tree]

I will be surprised to see any seriously threatening CA based frontlines in pvp. One CA? Certainly. More than that? Probably nooot

[pastel forge]

aurora decrease flat evasion rate, not eva stats

right?

nvm I checked, it's eva rate

[icy cliff]

most pvp battle is done with backlane

to survive ijn nuke frontline you will need fat HP and high evasion

lv.120 CA offer that

[subtle whale]

there prob a team using saintlouis and roon in jp or something

[modern tree]

pr Louis and Portland Kai are good but would you use them together when you have acess wo about anything else?

[subtle whale]

yeah most of the comp there have only 1 ca

ibuki for them ijn and saint louis for others

[odd schooner]

Well you can't really remove juneau on hms or usn

And 2nd slot is protection either sandy or belfast

[subtle whale]

hms comp in jp/cn is neptune, belfast and juneau?

i remember when i read one of the pastebin tierlist, it said juneau was a pvp meme >.>

[odd schooner]

She's really good for pvp

AA stat is nice

Skill is nice

Can't really explain much tho

Haven't gone that deep

[subtle whale]

what deep

[coral wren]

it just that rn jin+aur oushines her on en it seems

[subtle whale]

why not jeanue jin aurora

[odd schooner]

Ijn shreds anything atm

Cause ijn has Torpedo buffers

But we have them ppl still staying at hms and is actually not trying stuff like usn and ijn

[nova storm]

I'm just using HMS cause I want to use my Waifu ships 😃 (I want to swap but I'm too lazy to relocate all my gear)

[subtle whale]

same

but most of my gear on ijn unit

[nova storm]

I'll probably play Amagi when she comes out. I want to try Amagi, BB Kaga/Hiryuu , Hyuuga with Aya,Jintsuu + something frontline..

[sharp obsidian]

There is chatter that the upcoming arrival of Amagi will create the Amakaga Meta (Pre-emptive strikers + Torp Heavy Vanguard). Is there any consensus yet on whether this will take over the current SoDaWaEnt Meta?

[subtle whale]

prob can see that

[blazing scroll]

I will definitely try it out

[subtle whale]

wasd can also use amagi and be super tanky

we see what will happen

[sharp obsidian]

Does Amagi herself count in her skill's 4 Sakura Ships requirement?

In which case - a SoDaWa + Amagi + 3 IJN Vanguard could work?

[subtle whale]

i think she does

[nova storm]

Well, you can opt to not go for the bonus anyways..

[subtle whale]

it just say contains 4 or more ijn ship not other 4 or more ijn ships

prob be save to not go for the bonus

[modern tree]

she does, but why are people so obsessed with 50% faster first shot, to the point where they consider running exclusively ijn ships in the vanguard which is likely to lose you way more games than the first shot being fast wins you

opportunity cost

[nova storm]

If you're placing her on non-ijn fleets, you probably aren't aiming for that 50% bonus anyways.

[sharp obsidian]

The bonus could work with Akaga + Torpers for a fast wipe

[subtle whale]

akaga + amagi prob will get that bonus

just add jintsu

and you get it

[sharp obsidian]

Yeah, I am using a Jintsuu + Aurora + Ayanami FL at present with the Hood + Akaga BL. I hope Amagi can take Hood's place.

I didn't think of a SoDaWa + Amagi though. That would be quite tanky 😮

Maybe a Fortune + Eldridge + Juneau FL for more tankiness?

But anyway, am quite excited with Amagi. Hope she shakes things up as much as expected 😄

[subtle whale]

no belfast, your eldridge gonna die before rainbow procs

[nova storm]

Neh, if you're expecting Akaga + Amagi to be good, you probably shouldn't play Eld..

[sharp obsidian]

That's true... Hmm...

[subtle whale]

and alaso that

[nova storm]

It's gonna be belfast fiesta if Akaga + amagi becomes meta XD XD

[modern tree]

When is pvp not Belfast fiesta

[subtle whale]

amakaga+ jintsuu aurora

[sharp obsidian]

Now is not Belfast Fiesta?

[subtle whale]

most people still use belfap

[sharp obsidian]

Hmm... I am not seeing her as often as pre-FW days though. Or maybe is just perception 😮

[modern tree]

dunno what game are you playing if you dont see Belfast in majority of the "serious" setups. Especially post FW. All 4 of my current opponetnts use her. Shes a pretty good boat

Stepping away from Juneau or Eldridge, yea, but Belfast? Shes stuck here forever, never going anywhere

[subtle whale]

i use her for defense team cus avrora is the land of tryhard(including me)

[hot creek]

man, junuea/eldridge/belfast is good for win rate but its fucking slow as hell. Could probably fit in two battles in the same time using my hyper offensive vanguard.

[subtle whale]

maybe it cus of the salt of ship exchange

[modern tree]

I'd rather have Sandy than Prinz in exchange

[subtle whale]

well

avrora get both

frequently

[subtle whale]

i just realise

amakaga can do e killing aswell as hakaga

[modern tree]

akaga can do E killing without much help

[subtle whale]

but now its 3 foxes

[modern tree]

But I guess Amagi MIGHT shoot twice before E strike? Dont know exactly how math works on that with 410, her passive and gold fcr

probably not tho, her first shot is unlikely to be under 5 seconds

[modern tree]

actually, having her shoot increadibly fast could be bad against E because you might get a barrage before akaga strike but if you shoot second one into owarida then it doesnt matter

406 is bad for her barrage procs tho, would need to do math

[coral wren]

Is this a good formation or should i change anything here for pvp?

I‘m lvl.58 rn.

[modern tree]

should probably look to replace Prinz with something, ANYTHING

[slate estuary]

He's not wrong

CAs don't belong in pvp

[modern tree]

not at the moment, no

and Prinz will never belong there, ever

[solemn gorge]

i would replace enty because it will be hard for you to get enough purple plates for 3 cv but amagi is coming in 4 days so 🙃

[sturdy mantle]

I vote to replace prinz with Helena if you have her leveled, if not, another DD or CL is a good way to go

[silver folio]

CAN ALSO REPLACE WITH AURORA IF U WERE LUCKY ENUF TO CUBE HER

@solemn gorge

[solemn gorge]

???

i love enty too

https://imgur.com/a/85Vc9ju

but he is only level 58

@silver folio

[silver folio]

never replace enty she is love she is life

i replace my game before i replace enty

but if he dont have enough purple plate he can replace enty with tirp/hood/amagi easily

even washington will do

[solemn gorge]

lol what happened to never replace enty

[silver folio]

i du nno about him but im never replacing enty

uss/jp 4ever

@balmy torrent if u dont face any eldridges its a win 99% of the time tbh

maybe max rank wasd?? but ppl build wasd super wrong so its not an issue

yeah just blow em up

i actually recommend helena/aurora/benson for maximum cheese

barracuda/ryuusei both good cant go wrong

i find 2 ryuusei or 1 ryuuse/2cuda bis

lol

its hilarious during double foxes tbh

i dunno if 2 ryuusei is bis though because usually 1 good ryuusei blows them up

the 2nd just overkills

ye

yeah ofc, ark is go ham or go home

[modern tree]

more than one converging torps just ends up pushing way too much damage into sodak that is invulnerable 80% of the time

[silver folio]

thats why 2ruda is superior imo

[sturdy mantle]

Cudas are more consistent

sakura TBDs can deal more dmg if they actually hit

[modern tree]

I like converging torps in pvp in general, I dont like that in backline vs backline scenarios that often happen with any lineup that brings foxes, all of your torps just go mid and do nothing because sodak is there

[silver folio]

ryuuseis are early/late-gamers, cudas are just all-rounders

[sturdy mantle]

I prefer cudas more times in pvp since sakrua TBDs normally completely miss the vanguard

[modern tree]

if sodak isnt there, you are still overkilling this poor ship by a bilion

[silver folio]

cudas are best mid-game they are awful late-game since u hit like

1 ship

funnily enougfh ryuuseis arent that great mid-game because ur dives take out the VG then the torps fly off to neverland

early-game ryuuseis have that magic box where they can spawn on top of the vg which is great

[sturdy mantle]

in the end It really falls down to personal preference, both are efficient, but more so for different people

sorta like the 410 vs mk6,

they are both good, but for different playstyles

[silver folio]

i HIGHLY prefer cudas for pve though never liked ryuuseis there

when the boss moves a tiny bit and all the ryuuseis miss i just want to throw my phone

[sturdy mantle]

same, that is my main reason for using them as well

[modern tree]

only place outside of pvp where I used my ryuseis before I got sick of them is Maya farm and thats probably it for them until Hiryuu Kai

[strange patrol]

Hmm is there away to make the wolf sisters usable in pvp

Mostly cuz I married one then fell into the clutches of the other and got the L2D skin haha >.> oopi are dangerous

[silver folio]

wolf sisters is who again

[modern tree]

You mean Tacos?

[silver folio]

nvrm most likely atathot and co

uhh they're useable but ur gonna get blown up by foxes p much

unless u outgear ur opponent

any strong fleet will give them issues

[strange patrol]

I see

[silver folio]

no evasion = feeding time for CVs and BBs

[strange patrol]

I mean I use HMS and they sul ass

[silver folio]

@_@ HMS is pretty okay actually

maybe ur buiding it wrong

[strange patrol]

So I wanna try something different

[silver folio]

whats ur hms like

my HMS doesnt lose unless its a bis wasd

[modern tree]

You put 203 Mounted Guns on them, some mag torpedoes, ideally like 2 maxed SG each and then pray to god they can damage things fast enough with their chain torps and CA guns

[strange patrol]

I use good EQ and Warspite, Belfast,fortune,lavender all max retro

[silver folio]

leander right?

[modern tree]

better than Prinz Eugen, still CAs

[strange patrol]

Yea

[silver folio]

take her out and put in juneau imo

leander doesnt eve work with fortune

[strange patrol]

I switch her around

[silver folio]

leander is just worse imo, u need juneau to grind the opp out

[strange patrol]

But she dies instantly to air strikes

Since BEL dodge doesn’t affect them

[silver folio]

BEL is for foxes strictly

if they dont have foxes, even edinburgh is better

or aurora if u have her

[strange patrol]

no idea who ether of those are

[solemn gorge]

/wiki aurora

[strange moat]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Aurora

[strange patrol]

And wait how dose bel fix the fox issue 0-0

[solemn gorge]

/wiki edinburgh

[strange moat]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Edinburgh

[silver folio]

belfast smokescreen lines up with foxes

[strange patrol]

But it has no affect on aircraft, it says it in the discrimination

[silver folio]

wat

searchal belfast

[hidden wyvern]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&search=belfast

[strange patrol]

Fortune has a 35% reduction that affects aircraft

[silver folio]

Escort ships within the smokescreen have 15% (35%) additional evasion rate and take 15% (35%) less damage from airstrikes, does not stack with same skill effect.
???

fortune has no such effect

[strange patrol]

Must not be correct in game then

[solemn gorge]

i think he has them mixed up

[silver folio]

shes only main fleet redux and personal eva

fortune absolutely does not have 35% redux that affects aircraft

thatd be some woke shit lol

[strange patrol]

I mean my team tends to lose against stupid crap like

[silver folio]

thats an awful team t hat HMS should ha ve no problem beating

prinz and unicorn lol

[modern tree]

Enterprise exists

you sometimes lose

[strange patrol]

But I get wiped with it, my teams fully max skill, and lvl100

[silver folio]

sec let me build my hms

[strange patrol]

I get wiped on the second wave of air

[silver folio]

@modern tree a properly fleeted, and geared, HMS will never lose to that. even if enterprise always procs
only reason is gear level and skill level

aya prinz no juneau, u can outgrind him easily even if RNG is in his favor

[strange patrol]

Only think I’m lacking is a gold aircraft and a single aa gun

[silver folio]

give me a sec while im ordering my HMS ships

and i have another more general comp

wait

this counters his comp nicely and i'll post a more general comp later

[modern tree]

I am really impressed with your ability to present opinions as facts, but HMS can totally lose to Enterprise just existing. You will have to trust a guy who plays HMS more than about anything else. If you want me to paint you a picture step by step how that happens, I will totally do it

[silver folio]

i used HMS to reach #1 last season

[solemn gorge]

#1 is meme

[silver folio]

it has no problems against a fleet of that calibre

[strange patrol]

This is the set up I learned from

[silver folio]

its an 11k non optimized fleet

[modern tree]

you reached rank 1 or held rank 1 at the last 5 minutes of the season

[strange patrol]

https://guidescroll.com/2018/10/azur-lane-hms-fleet-guide/

[silver folio]

i reached it during gensui then stopped playing after that

avrora server

i dont do end of season sandbagging

[strange patrol]

Is that gear bad?

[silver folio]

if the fleet was 12k then yes he would have problems against enterprise

[solemn gorge]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-kGGh6rHk7PlXQDkAl8bOGPUMp0oncVFeJAzSjdEgg/htmlview?usp=drive_web&ouid=118239850141028494553&sle=true

use this

[silver folio]

okay for hood

autoloaders are fucking trash for pvp and get rid of that

get the gold FCR and golden SG radar

410mm, 127gold mm, gold AA

[strange patrol]

Sir yes mamas

[modern tree]

is reaching rank 1 at some point really something to brag about or something that should add your statement legitimacy?

because when I tell you Enterprise can kill you and you tell me I was rank 1 at some point you look like a clown

[silver folio]

im telling u HMS is viable for taking out a lot of high-powered fleets, and what u see in top 100 are far far better than the fleet he showed

in particular that fleet has unicorn, prinz, ayanami

it has no grinding power and even if they get to the backline they'll get shredded in seconds

his chance of winning is extremely substantial provided the HMS is built correctly

keep in mind its an 11k fleet

with THREE SSR+ vanguards

which means its relatively underequipped
only problem HMS has rn is optimized WASD+E fleets, which this one definitely isnt

[strange patrol]

0-0/ ok

[lean flower]

When a pvp season ends, do you get back 5 or 10 exercises?

Haven't done this before so I'm not sure whether to spam all 10 exercises before 2am est or not

[silver folio]

@strange patrol

this is ur standard HMS fleet, u always keep QE in the middle

so that hood and warspite can snipe whatever ship is in the corners

[lean flower]

Oh, regardless of how much you've saved up. Thank you

[silver folio]

also, use the equipment in ?equiptl

people that made the equip PvP guide there have a pretty good idea on whats good

wat

u tried maxing up neps or s omething?

i prob woudlnt spend merit on bulins but u do u

i actually might scrap some to get some dock space back

technically they're value

but i dont have any more need for gold boxes

so its basically a purin farm now

but bulins are best value in th e merit shop

im trying to max out nep collab ships so that explains a lot

yeah if u pvp seriously u end up with excess merits

bulins are the best value since golds are

5x more in merit shop

but less than 3x more in medal

food for thought

if they let u cash excess merits for gold bps thadd be great

z23 not coming home anytime soon since im never getting that last gold bp

im fairly sure they dont read that list because theres things that have been there since game launch

[high flume]

Hi, is it a good idea to use type 93 oxygen torpedo on Belfast?

[silver folio]

gold dildo? its OK if u dont have better torp botes

[vague token]

so uh, i was reading on reddit that BB Kaga still procs Akagi's first carrier division buff.

extreme concern

[high flume]

@silver folio it's a rainbow auxiliary eq

[silver folio]

yeah its OK on belfast if u dont have better boats with torpedos

like ayanami

belfast has an OK torpedo stat

[high flume]

but is it worth running it on Belfast over Repair tool-Beaver badge combi?

[silver folio]

considering BB kaga isnt that great, i think people would just bring regular kaga instead tbh

yeah just do nagato kaga EZ 👏

foxes 2019

mikasas huehueuhe

i actually wonder if u took out mikasa and put in nagato

would the team be better even fi it was full bb

lmao

yeah, and she actually counts as a ship x)

mikasa lowest fper bb, lowest hp bb
glorious loli has A/A statline with best big7 in the game

🦆

u khnow whats funny, is that u can hyuuga kai with nagato

but u cant hyuuga kai with mikasa

cuz then hyuuga woudlnt get mikasas bb buff lmao

[high flume]

Is it worth running type93 oxygen torpedo on Belfast over Repair tool-Beaver badge combi? and which one has better durability stats, repair tool or beaver badge?

[silver folio]

beaver badge by far

in a standard comp of

belfst/juneau/fortune

u put type 93 on fortune

fortune has repair box+type 93

but thats imo
i like to have a repair box on every ship

beaver and type 93 on belfast is a bit squishier than i would like

[high flume]

My frontline units are Belfast/Juneau/Helena. Tbh I am just not sure is it worth to use type93. The only ship worth using type93 is Belfast, but I am not sure if it worth to sacrifice some of her durability by giving her type93

[silver folio]

u can put the beaver on helena and do toolbox/type 93 on belfast

helena and belfast are both CLs and similarly benefit from the beaver badge

[high flume]

I put pearl's tear and repair tool on her though

should I replace the repair tool?

[silver folio]

yeah

or u can stick pearl tears on juneau, but that might mess with her death timings

or overheal

[high flume]

yup

[silver folio]

u can easily replace the repair tool with pearl tear then

u cn put the pearl tear on belfast or helena, depend who dies earlier tbh

[high flume]

it overheal pretty often though

[silver folio]

with the type93 i THINK belfast dies faster, but belfast does have 400 more base hp than helena

[high flume]

Well, I want to keep Belfast as long as possible though. she deals a lot of damage

I mean comapred to juneau adn helena

[silver folio]

u can put it on backline, i run enty cranes though, no spot for beaver

elisio u can also put type93 on juneau its FARRR better than gyroscope or reloader if u were runnin that

either way its a great aux so u should find some way to fit it in

[modern tree]

Just put Juneau up front, Belfast middle, Helena back, give Belfast the dildo, Helena the Pearl. Stack Juneau with torp brace fill everything else with toolboxes and you are good to go

[silver folio]

basically

and u can take out the torp brace if opponent runs some woke uss comps

u should be able to fit the beaver on at least one backliner if ur frontliners have absolutely no space at all for it

i highly recommend keeping a beavver since it helps in dodging BB/CV shots

[high flume]

@balmy torrent tried to sue the calculator...but how can I see my ship's luck? I can only see her Hp and EVA

[silver folio]

https://i.imgur.com/Tdq1i2x.jpg

[high flume]

@silver folio @modern tree Yo, If I want to keep muh Belfast alive, is it better to use type93-Beaver combination on her? since beaver gives more durability than repair tool right? (and set helena with tear+repair tool)

[silver folio]

if absolute survivability, probably beaver+repair box
but type93-beaver can work, since juneau isnt a great candidate for type93

u can stick the type93 on juneau if u absolutely want to keep belfast alive

i dont value belfast that much, so i have no problem sticking type93 and beaver on her lol

[modern tree]

I am too lazy to math it and I was not really following the conversation, but if you are using QE, it is possible that toolbox will be more effective hp than beaver due to belfasts naturally high evasion, her smoke, possibility of getting healed by both helena and juneau sinking and her evasion rate being additionally buffed by QE, possibly hitting diminishing returns with beaver

[silver folio]

smokescreen cant reach backline lategame, its RNG, and helenas 60% proc works on all ship regardless which is why i value helena more lategame

and giving more hp to helena is better than belfast, because that repair box is a bigger % chunk of her total hp
(belfast has 400 more natural hp, give or take)

yeah i gave him the link to luck values

just dont put the beaver on juneau or i will seriously questino ur life choices

;3

[high flume]

@silver folio "and giving more hp to helena is better than belfast, because that repair box is a bigger % chunk of her total hp
(belfast has 400 more natural hp, give or take)" Wait, did you mean giving more hp to Belfast is better since repair kit will increase her HP even further and better heal?

since she has more base HP as you said

[silver folio]

500/3544 = 14.1%

500/3204 = 15.6%

helena gets 15.6% hp increase vs 14.1% for belfast

[high flume]

Owh I thought you were talking about the 1% heal ratio. coz if that the case, Belfast heals more HP than helena

[silver folio]

yeah belfast heals more but 1% of 3544 and 3204 is minimal i think

its like very min maxy stuff though, thats why i just put repair toolkits on both of them

[high flume]

Makes sense

[silver folio]

helena also has 1 more evasion and slightly better AA, so that further makes every extra point of hp more "value" for helena

but again, very min maxxy stuff that probably wont matter too much

if u stick belfast in the middle, e ven with repair toolkit+type 93, OR beaver+type 93, i think she should be the last one standing still, and rainbow torp+type93 are probably the best u could ask assuming ur VG is up in the backlines face

since all the rainbow torp boosted by oxytorp would home in and delete their backline, something that helena cannot provide

but aurora skews things, not sure if belfast would be too squishy once people start maxing aurora out

[real notch]

if anyone on aurora is ranking plz test against my fleet

[gritty cove]

I ran out of refreshes trying to find a decent wasd fleet to test on, damn Sandy casual server

[coral wren]

I am using WASD + Enty and vnaguard with bel jun and aurora. I have a beaver badge that used to be on Sodak but I kinda removed it after having one of the barrages miss or atleast I think it missed

and i wanna ask who I should put that badge on

on Airpandas guide it says Sodak but I kinda wanna put radar on her so she dosnt miss shit

also what aux should i use on a BB(washy)? 2 gold radars or 1gold radar 1 purple fcr?

[odd schooner]

I found another req

Aidil - Akaga E + Jintsuu Aurora Ayanami
Fleet used: Wasd Hood + Juneau Aurora Belfast
Game 1 - Win
Game 2 - Win
Game 3 - Lose
Game 4 - Win
Game 5 - Win

Also tried using Wasd Hood + Juneau Belfast Eldridge
Game 1 - Lose
Game 2 - Win
Game 3 - Lose
Game 4 - Win
Game 5 - Win
Eldridge never proc'd Rainbow, she literally dies on first airstrike I think I'm just winning cause of backline

Maybe i should try placing her in the middle

Game 1 - Win with Vanguard fully intact
Game 2 - Lose
Game 3 - Win with Vanguard fully intact
Game 4 - Win
Game 5 - Lose Vanguard got rekt by opening torps

[calm vector]

That's an interesting study u did there

[real notch]

hmmm interseting

with more tests it'll be clearer but

that's really strong data still

shows that the fleet is very strong

i'm starting to think that ryuusei on enterprise may be really good

for the torps

the downside is you'll lose touchdown on cudas

that fleet that was tested is slightly unoptimized (400/700 fleetpower under BiS maxed) but

yea good testing

[odd schooner]

Actually did more games now
Fleet used: Wasd Hood Juneau Aurora Belfast
Game 6 - Win
Game 7 - Win
Game 8 - Win
Game 9 - Win
Game 10 - Win
Feels like I'm getting lucky on shells the vanguard gets hit a lot of times. Game 7 enemy enterprise died so early due to not procing Lucky E

I forgot to mention Backline gears
Everyone is using 410mm with hood having Gold FCR and Beaver aux while the other two has Double SG Gold

Juneau Belfast Bulge Box
Aurora Boiler Pearl

Aurora should live longer with box but i forgot to equip it

[ionic hill]

is there any particular reason why people put jintsuu in the front

[foggy token]

smack you harder with torpedoes

[elder crane]

She might be the tankiest ship in some frontlines
E.g. Jint/Aurora/Aya

[real notch]

yeah, it's an unfortunate place to put her but sometimes no choice

[azure aurora]

Because her retrofit skill

[real notch]

partly why i like belfast so much is because i can then put jintsuu in middle

and she'll tank 127s for longer with that dmg reduction

@odd schooner want me to put that in the reset testing doc?

i can make a new section for it

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit?usp=sharing

if it just fits the format

[sour oasis]

Dumb question but PvP ranking based on average rank of combatants or on total relative score?

I've gotten my firepower >10k, kept fighting leftmost (sometimes losing) and have finally moved past rank 5000, but hit a wall at 3000.

[pastel forge]

ranking depends on your score, the ones on your fight list have scores similar to you. fleet firepower doesn't affect rank in any way

[azure aurora]

Lost will to pvp

Well i just atk random fleet

Today is reset for lex

[sour oasis]

Firepower affects my success rate against... Well, stronger fleets.

Good to know ranking is 100% score dependant; I now know I can't improve in ranking unless I somehow never lose.

[pastel forge]

well you can always do the good ol reset till you win

[sour oasis]

Takes too long when I am completely overwhelmed. I essentially have to reset until I 100% proc and enemy 0% proc

And refreshing fight list is also a crapshoot.

[hot creek]

oof, I got hit with a +8 on one of my few last runs

refreshes just made it worse lol

[sour oasis]

"+8"?

[hot creek]

late season base reward is +10 points for every match you do against a higher ranked opponent

you get one more or less for every 35 point difference in points your opponent has

i was forced to battle someone with ~70 less points than me

so I had to take a +8

[sour oasis]

Shouldn't leftmost one always be higher rank?

[odd schooner]

Sometimes it screws up especially when you're on top 100

Like eg. You're r34

Suddenly your left is r90

[sour oasis]

I'd like to be beyond 1000 eventually. I take it I need better equips to win consistently?

[hot creek]

equipments are argueably the most important factor in this game.

[glossy jay]

get enterprise a couple +10 planes and just savescum

🤢

[silver folio]

u can also akaga hood and do some sniping cheese

or straight up win cuz akaga is good gigalul

[slow totem]

[azure aurora]

Juneau is strong

[coral wren]

i guess i will take away that toolkit from her just to avoid situations like this..

[slow totem]

Holy shit

Saving that screenshot.

[azure aurora]

Yep should remove toolkit

[slow totem]

She defies death, truly Jesus

Rose on the 3rd Battle

[real notch]

"Jesus will not die today"

[slow totem]

Warn me for posting memes if you must, mods, but it had to be done.

[azure aurora]

Juneau meme safe here

[vague token]

helena got a skin, maybe we can get a juneau skin soon

id buy it since she saves our pvp teams so often

[slow totem]

I’d buy Virgin Mary-style Juneau ngl.

[glossy jay]

should i just replace all my 406 guns with 410

[slow totem]

For PvP, yes.
For PvE, no except Hood and Arizona

[glossy jay]

i really want to cuck this enterprise who just seems to lucky E whenever the 406 shells are about to kill her

[azure aurora]

[slow totem]

No Enty, No problem. 410 Ez.

Wait... that’s Washington

[azure aurora]

Warspite mid

[slow totem]

😎

[glossy jay]

ree i was saving my plates for belfap gun

[slow totem]

Cause this is how Warspite works.

[glossy jay]

but i think it will b ea while until i get one anyway

[azure aurora]

Oh not that meme again

[slow totem]

You put Warspite mid if you want to snipe top then bottom.

200 IQ

[azure aurora]

Qe buff only active when she alive right? Or perm ?

[slow totem]

Perm

[azure aurora]

Throw her to mid then

[slow totem]

Nope, cause I want to snipe Washy then Hood

Leaving SoDak to watch her friends die as she fails to protect them

[azure aurora]

S

[slow totem]

🔥 🔥

[azure aurora]

[slow totem]

Also, Hood would just barrage my WS if I put her bottom.

:wesmart:

Shut up, Clyde.

[azure aurora]

Thats full eva qe ?

[slow totem]

I forgot.

It was rank 86, I’m 92 now,

[azure aurora]

Im around 50

[slow totem]

Eh, you’ll get there.

[azure aurora]

After gensui i just atk random fleet

Only 10 merit diff

[coral wren]

hms with no warspite isn't hms?

was wondering if i could replace her with illustrious or ark royal

[azure aurora]

You can ofc

Lusty yes ark royal not

Ah good ol days when no wasd

[coral wren]

soon you will think of it as good old days when no amakaga 😄

[azure aurora]

Not soon

But will happen

With hiryuu and Nagato

[hot creek]

is nagato legal?

[azure aurora]

All ship is legal

Inc kisaragi and unicorn

[lofty smelt]

I definitely did not get that interpretation of the word legal initially lmao

[coral wren]

unicorn is 80 years old, lol

[silver folio]

10/10 warspite

diagram

[slow totem]

MS Paint Stronk

[modern tree]

@hot creek

[hot creek]

god dammit I knew I shouldnt have refreshed into the +8 lmao

would have had one extra point

[modern tree]

Team "I tanked a loss" still going strong

Sandy is very tryhard

[hot creek]

[slow totem]

Sandy vs Washy which one is TriHarder?

[coral wren]

the one that is alive, and from what i've seen it's definitely not washy

[slow totem]

😎

[real notch]

alright turns out BiS maxed belfast/jintsuu/aurora just barely breaks 13k

actually pretty happy it didn't end at like 12999 or something

[subtle whale]

nice

[real notch]

now that i've maxed jintsuu there's sort of nothing else for me to do now

hmm

guess i'll just rank again this next season

and wait for amagi i guess

[azure aurora]

With 200 affection?

[odd schooner]

Avrora top 3 this season

There's also a 2602 last season

Wait not sure if 2602 or 2596

Forgot to screenie

[vague token]

dear god

[livid fractal]

I'm at rank 18 I think

2570

[real notch]

hey isn't sorelia req

lmao

well

GLHF in new season guys

may you be blessed by the sandbagging gods

[coral wren]

just need to set alarm clock

[idle python]

yes sorelia is req

[lofty smelt]

Oh I completely forgot season reset lol

Shows how much I play. Didn't use my last matches

[slow totem]

[lofty smelt]

Got gensui, all that matters ™

[subtle whale]

time for me to do the trick thingy

[lofty smelt]

what trick thingy

[subtle whale]

sandbagging

i was 10 point away from gensui

[lofty smelt]

big f

Did you lose any matches?

[subtle whale]

i had 10 matches

black out

and data died

[lofty smelt]

f x2

[slow totem]

ayyyyyt

[subtle whale]

[slow totem]

🇫 🇫

[subtle whale]

my phone data died for 20 min for some reason

i blame the clouds

damn you clouds

[lofty smelt]

orangejuice_irl

Because I never play this, how does one properly sandbag at season start

[slow totem]

Just wait till someone blow their matches

Typical ResidentSleeper tactic

[subtle whale]

just run at the last minute before reset

use 5/10 of yer battler

[lofty smelt]

I did one match to make sure I'm not against someone who doesn't play

Now I wait

Or at least that's what I've been doing

[subtle whale]

or you could do the no life sandbagging tactic

[slow totem]

💤

NoSleepBagTactic

[subtle whale]

how many point gap to get the 11+ points?

[wise summit]

it's not no life, azur lane is life

[slow totem]

35

[wise summit]

azur life

[subtle whale]

points or rank?

[lofty smelt]

What is the no life sandbag tactic? I really don't know. I haven't had problems getting gensui with just playing when I do matches

[wise summit]

Rank point value, rank has no influence

[subtle whale]

can you check other people rank value

[lofty smelt]

If they're top 100 yes

[wise summit]

You maximise bonus point gain by staggering your battles and waiting for people to play their matches on your list first so they have a 35+ point advantage

In the early season this can be very high since each match is worth many more points

[subtle whale]

by seeing they increase in rank right?

or just you getting pushed behind alot

[wise summit]

Yes, you can't tell with precision unless they're in the top 100

You can only guess at whether they've played enough games based on their relative rank to you and to the others on your list

[lofty smelt]

Generally left most person isn't going to be far ahead of you rank-wise. If they're really far ahead, they used their matches. That's the best you have.

Or someone else in your list, same applies

[subtle whale]

@lofty smelt check every hours to see if its a good time to battle or not and get +11 points

[wise summit]

you go to settings and log out to force the pvp list to refresh

It won't do it automatically

[lofty smelt]

Yeah that's going to be a no from me dawg. I'm just going to do my matches before resets to not lose them like normal.

[slow totem]

That’s the NoLife Tactic. Bzzzz...

[subtle whale]

i picked fubuki, what the box at the end for?

[wise summit]

it's also the literally only tactic for pvp though in maximising point gain

[coral wren]

Valyz r u sure? I just restart my game and it refreshes

[wise summit]

Once you get past the obvious ones like don't miss matches and don't lose

Restarting is the same as relogging

[coral wren]

Oh ok

[wise summit]

As long as you close out of the app fully

Logout in settings just puts you at the title screen BTW you don't have to input your details again or anything

[coral wren]

Ohh so thats faster

[wise summit]

Yeah

[coral wren]

Guy went from 1000 to 700 lul gee i wonder if he did his matches. Kappa

[lofty smelt]

Latches you say

[coral wren]

Nu nu

Whats max points u can get at sesson start?

Is there a guideline somewhere? XD

[wise summit]

In the early season it's difficult to gauge

[coral wren]

I am getting 30 and 29

[wise summit]

The exercise page on wiki has a list that tells you how much you should be getting per win

[coral wren]

Hmm gonna check

[wise summit]

based on rank point value

[flint yarrow]

What do y'all think bout this team?

[wise summit]

lewd

[lofty smelt]

0/10 no aya

[flint yarrow]

But Aya dies so fast

[subtle whale]

0/10 no ark royal

[wise summit]

Aya really does die too fast, I think belf/jint/Aurora is the best offensive frontline

and juneau/belf/eld as best stalling

[lofty smelt]

If you aren't waging waifu wars your pvp strats are wrong

[flint yarrow]

Maybe i jus have a soft spot for HMS

[coral wren]

Aurora is useless at season start.

Everyone is using random cas and shit wtf

[lofty smelt]

Welcome to low rank

[coral wren]

Saw a dude with portland indie and takao

[lofty smelt]

Where 10k anything is rare

[coral wren]

Lmfao

[modern tree]

Indie Port is legit when starting out, that's how I got my first gensui

[coral wren]

And it counters jintsui aurora

[modern tree]

I think maxed Enterprise helped, but I think Indie Port was totally doing fine

[lofty smelt]

Maxed E carried. She solos everything

[coral wren]

i hate bongs. not a single golden barracuda or ufo from their boxes ever

[subtle whale]

atleast 7-2 is one of the best farming stages

[real notch]

@azure aurora yeaa

[coral wren]

Eh, i dunno. Bomber ships out there are quite annoying

[slow totem]

7-2, ez life, ez 1:1

Ez coins, ez drops, no planes, no cargo ships spawn from all 4 (?) Nodes

Gold Roomba, Purple Roomba, Purple Cuda, ez designs

[silver folio]

purple cuda

[daring agate]

7-2 best map

[silver folio]

u can reasonably get gensui without sandbagging.
if u want to end top 3 though, sandbagging is mandatory (also get a life pls)

[slow totem]

Did that, once, never again

No sleep for 15 days just for a rank that lasts for 5 minutes?

[silver folio]

and here i am forgetting resets

[hot creek]

can have a life and sandbag at the same time when you're PST master race

[slow totem]

[coral wren]

i do level boats at 7-2 with 1-1. Unless they are past lvl 80 it's not ez, ai is a big retаrd

[coral wren]

What's the meta for pvp now?

[hot creek]

check pins

HMS and Foxes are also viable.

[azure aurora]

For fast atk still foxes

[silver folio]

HMS

[coral wren]

Just retrofitted Jintsuu! What do you guys have equipped on her?

inb4 Belfast loadout

Not that I’d mind I have a few Belguns lying around

[hot creek]

belgun/rainbow mags/bofors/repair kit/rainbow dildo

[odd schooner]

Elana

End season rank 1 when

[silver folio]

prob never. im only doing it for the bulins

[knotty parcel]

How do I improve this, i don't even know what aux to give to Aurora

[odd schooner]

We start off with jintsuu and aurora main guns

Should be 155mm gold cause it will do more dmg towards enemy vanguard

For pvp

One or both BB @ 410mm purple

Jintsuu aux should be bulge + toolbox (cause your aya is already using the oxy) and i assume she's your front

You could also check this out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-kGGh6rHk7PlXQDkAl8bOGPUMp0oncVFeJAzSjdEgg/edit?usp=drivesdk

[knotty parcel]

really ? was told tbtsk was better

well fair enough, i have 2 +10 155mm

i only have one toolbox +10 and my sole bulge is +6

thanks for the link

[urban coral]

Just to add on to Gurren's explanation as to why it deals more damage to enemy vanguard. The Tbtsk isn't a bad pick in general but pvp fleets tend to use a lot of DDs/CLs in the frontline, which usually have Light or Medium armor
and as seen in the table that shows shell efficiency for CL Main found in the AL Wiki, the HE+ ammo of the (gold) 155mm is more effective than Tbtsk's AP shots against Light and Medium armored ships

[silver folio]

it needs to be said that on light targets, tbtsk penetrates two targets for a total of 200% damage, as opposed to 145% on a single target with the belgun

hitting their backline, the HE+ is superior

now which one u want to choose, your choice

also rememberr that AP cant light ships on fire

[odd schooner]

I would rather immediately kill the front which is usually juneau than hurting both front and middle cause the middle boat or even the rear would just heal it back once Juneau sink

[urban coral]

true, denying the backline some heal is pretty effective

[odd schooner]

Also by using ap shells, it will take longer time to kill off enemy vanguard that would result to higher chances it will spawn off 2nd batch of torpedoes or prolong skill effects that requires the said ship to be alive

[modern tree]

AP will not always hit at an angle that lets it hit multiple targets. Boats track targets poorly which makes tbtsk pattern a little worse than fan fire of 155 and you are also losing on 20 fp that belgun has over tbtsk. There's also matter of starting or extending fires, even if you are just tickling a heavy armour backliner, extending a fire started by bbs hitting them earlier is a lot of extra damage and shouldn't be underestimated

[native mantle]

wait some moments ago i was at 5/10 trys and now afterr the reset i still at 5/10?

[modern tree]

time to restart the game, my friend

[native mantle]

allright it worked

use all 10 for now or jsut 5 and the other 5 in 6 hours?

@modern tree

[modern tree]

man, I could tell you all about how to farm up points and get higher ranks and use your rerolls smartly and how to get to get 2605 score at the end of the season because you decided to get nr 1 spot and you really hate sleeping or relaxing

but if you already dont know at least a part of it then you probably dont care in which case either is fine, just dont miss/lose your games

[native mantle]

hmy highest was +33 today. and its my first time even get <2500 ranking. now in the TOP 50^^

[vague token]

i got 33 then immediately 26/27 after

rip

[lofty smelt]

So. I'm at 6025, my match is now in 8th. Many points

Nice

[pastel forge]

just got +40, so it's possible after all

[lofty smelt]

Oh yeah for sure. Mine was +39 right there with playing one match from the start. So much extra points

[sharp roost]

trying to make a pvp team -also have fox sisters not lvled,

[wise summit]

hahahahah

I missed 4 attacks

because nobody would play on my list and I kept putting it off

I hate this stupid system so much sometimes

[slow totem]

They need to remove this limited attempts bs. 💤

[wise summit]

I can't be bothered anyway I'll just save my effort for next season

when I have amagi

[slow totem]

Let people pvp as much as they want, what’s wrong with that?

💤

[silk pebble]

the system is awful yeah

[slow totem]

@sharp roost I wanted to reply but I’m having a really hard time assembling a full team with just your screenshot.

Assuming you don’t want memey teams.

I guess,
Tirpitz - Enterprise - Lexington | Belfast - Cleveland - Helena

[wise summit]

x/x/Enterprise Belfast/Helena/x, if you have foxes you might as well level them and run foxes/e

[slow totem]

Yeah but they aren’t leveled, they want a team that can be used now I imagine.

[wise summit]

oh I thought it was more a longterm goal question of "what should I invest in leveling" since there's not enough 100s there to form a team

[slow totem]

That’s also a fair point, well, they have their answers for both cases anyway.

[sharp roost]

okay cool thanks, i'll use tirpitz for now then switch in foxes

also have aurora and juneau

[slow totem]

level them

[elder crane]

Aurora, belfast, juneau, Enty/Hood, Foxes is a good starting team w/o any event ships

Leander can be useful too if you face a heavily torp-invested team
Helena can be added if you can afford her for whatever reason

[slow totem]

Light Build Hell is an event itself kappa

[elder crane]

Well, for that guy, I am only missing aurora now from light construction, literally have every other ship in the pool

[slow totem]

me too

Wait

Missing Tinykaze too

[elder crane]

Her and Atago are the only obtainable ships I'm missing
(Unobtainable right now is Nowaki and White Heart)

[slow totem]

Nowaki is voiced by Kyuubey, just realized lol

“Do you want to befome a ship girl?” owo

[subtle whale]

i missed 3 runs of pvp

[real notch]

I just lost a fight to a fukin noob REEEEEEEEE

[slow totem]

That means they aren’t a noob.

[real notch]

My torps whiffed and ent didnt proc omfg

Their ws probably crit like 50 times too

AAÀAA

[thorny bramble]

rip in pieces

im so sad

[slow totem]

-That’s the weakness of torps
-Enty being Enty
-WS’ crit is guaranteed tho

[thorny bramble]

i lost first match of season

[slow totem]

thonk

[hidden wyvern]

[real notch]

[thorny bramble]

and im 40 behind now

feelsbadman

[real notch]

Ws normal salvos

[subtle whale]

[slow totem]

RNG: Hmmmm... Fuck Sirrekt in particular!