pvp

[grave gale]

Even with danger at 0, Vestal would've been a big help. That +1 ammo and those emergency repairs make a huge difference

It's likely best to keep one at lb2 to reduce her cost

I've heard the top spot almost never takes shelling damage. It's primarily the suicide boats that threaten it

That's if you have all 3 occupied

[glossy jay]

should have brought glowworm

[slow totem]

[livid fractal]

[azure aurora]

Party time

[native mantle]

why using a belgun for leander in pvp?

[wise summit]

I put belgun on every CL in pvp because frontlines are almost exclusively light

on that note I've shifted off aya and am running Akaga/E Belfast/Jintsuu/Aurora instead and it feels much more reliable

just waiting on Amagi for further development

[modern tree]

you use belgun on leander period because her skill multiplies the bons FP she gets for holding it

[elder crane]

Light armour front lines, and for the occasional BB fire refreshes

And the multiplied FP is of minimal effect, it's mainly that the gun is just good base.

Her skill gives 3 extra FP from the 20 extra FP belgun gives over tbsk

Damage is calculated proportionally to FP+100, which means 3 extra FP is a ~1% difference in damage for Leander

[modern tree]

She needs it, but also completely seriously AP ammo is almost entirely non competitive for pvp because of the armour types, no control over the pierces and HE guns just being stronger in general across all classes except for CA arguably, but 203 skc has the same slow targeting problem 203 Monted does so it's probably a wash. If the gun is not enabling your barrage boat, it should probably be HE.

[outer stump]

Atago has an passive same as Belfast but much stronger lol

She may be an option

But sadly she is CA

But idk what should I rather... 30% chance to deal x2 damage whit Takao or perma increased sustained damage

[modern tree]

Just wait for Ibuki

[outer stump]

Huh?

[modern tree]

Ibuki is a CA that is ijn, looks pretty good and starts with 2 preloaded torps so you dont have to pray for 30% chain torps to do stuff

[outer stump]

This game is hardly based on torps

But tbh I don't like them that much

They aren't that much accurate for me

Even tho they deal a lot of damage if u stuck them

Ayanami I think

More base torp = much better multiplier

[lunar veldt]

uwu on the other servers

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321284912894443520/529333133946912788/unknown.png

[outer stump]

They are coming out? Or just JP/CN meta

[modern tree]

Amagi is out on 10th

no clue about Nagato

[outer stump]

[modern tree]

(and Taiho is a placeholder, dont get too excited, or do I guess none of my business)

[outer stump]

I have so many ships to Max

If they will add more ships worth to max then I will be done in 1 year

I wonder how the event will go

I'm pretty ready

40k gold in 2 days

[lunar veldt]

would be same as the other servers

[outer stump]

I'm pretty impressed too

[lunar veldt]

but nerf in health and levels

[outer stump]

[urban coral]

huh, I was hoping for some mikasa + amagi shenanigans

[modern tree]

Mikasa is really fragile so while it might work decently well, Nagato will probably just be a better choice in terms of most effective tactic available

[outer stump]

[vague token]

i kinda want to try a debuff team with that new event

except i have no idea how the single target debuffs are aimed

so it'll be ultra rng

and it doesnt say how much

xD

[lunar veldt]

its not single

[vague token]

bailey and the other ones

are single

[lunar veldt]

yikes

[vague token]

amagi is full enemy fleet

[lunar veldt]

totally forget bout those ships

[vague token]

yeah, the wording is super vague

and tells you literally nothing

just says "reduces fire rate and damage"

"prioritizes human units for pve"

ok

so how much

xD

cause like, i could reduce enterprise by 25% at the 20

that's good

or i could reduce eldridge at the 20

that's bad

if i have 2 of them

do they target the same ship?

or is it full random?

WHO KNOWS

[lunar veldt]

shes super weak though

[vague token]

that's ok, i already have a real team anyways

xD

just want to play around with debuffs

kagerou can at least buff and debuff

bailey has a smoke

[lunar veldt]

might as well throw in helene

[vague token]

the other 2 disturbance shooters are unreleased events

[lunar veldt]

if u are going for debuff fleet

[vague token]

yeah, there's only 2 disturbance shooters so rip

in the future ardent looks interesting, carrier protection, air raid assist, disturbance shooting

that's a lot of support

for a debuffer

xD

or aurora i guess for evade debuff

[real notch]

alright

i did some more testing

and theorizing

i've ended up with the following comp:

south dakota, washington, enterprise
jintsuu, eldridge, aurora

swapped the rainbows to eldridge

turns out the meta is shifting too slowly, not enough people are experimenting with aurora/jintsuu

and the biggest opponent currently in EN is just wasd

so even if your aurora/jintsuu wipes vanguard, they just get shredded to death by backline 127s, which just flattens the advantage you gained with vanguard - the vanguard needs to live until at least 4:38 where 2nd round torps can ideally directly hit backline

eldridge is a necessity until twinfox becomes more meta

[lunar veldt]

its almost the same situation back than in the other servers

we saw a huge meta change when nagato came out

when lvl 110s were a thing

so i reckon we wont get nagato soon

[modern tree]

Not many people grind for those as fast as we would. I imagine people aren't ready to give up on their precious oaths as well.

No need to fix what ain't broken, especially because foxes aren't really a leap in power

[vague token]

ill be trying aurora/MGM+1 CA/eldridge soon, but still leveling xD

[modern tree]

I am still experimenting a bit with 203 Advanced over Mounted for CA, it hits so much more reliably but also no damage

It's a hard life

[elder crane]

Avrora being Avrora I guess, I'm already starting to see a lot of foxes, my confirmation bias says I'm already facing more Foxes than WASD teams, but at least the numbers are starting to be comparable with WASD

I've already had to switch HAKaga to WASD a few times to deal with particularly troublesome mirror-optimized foxes (Fast launch meaning their 2nd strike hits before mine, risking a loss if I get unlucky, but also means they run straight into Aegis, making using WASD an easy win)

[modern tree]

I pulled out my Ark against stray akaga torp memes and it works like a charm, thanks everyone for not using Eldridge.

[slow totem]

Ark Royal Stronk

Underrated HMS Ship

[vague token]

ark just needs that 70% 2x, full glass variant of enterprise :)

[slow totem]

😎

[vague token]

has anyone been messing with that ju dive bomber that has a ton of 100 pound bombs?

[modern tree]

It doesnt seem worth it when not used on Zepp and Zepp doesnt seem worth it to use in pvp

[slow totem]

FeelsZepMan

[outer stump]

[vague token]

ah, i felt like it might have more reliable damage since it uses 5 planes

and has 5 bombs

even if smaller

[modern tree]

Helldiver's 2000 lb bomb is a lot of damage

[vague token]

yeah, ill check the bomb damage i guess xD

math time oh boi

[elder crane]

It's the 100 lb bombs being literally half the damage of the 500 lb bombs mostly
and they have worse dispersion-to-AoE-radius ratio

The JU87 barely about breaks even with SB2C for mean single-target DpS under the Graf Z buff

[vague token]

wait, that bad? i was hoping for something to finally be an alternative to heccdiver

[native mantle]

a question after i now got akaga, but since we dunno ahve nagato whats better a comp with akaga or a HMS fleet?

[vague token]

for pvp

lol

[elder crane]

For now, HMS is probably superior in winrate per match,
But AKaga does have certain advantages (mainly in being a "fast" team to use)

[vague token]

rip dreams

[modern tree]

I win games I have no business of winning with HMS. Get helena lucky e'd while missing hood barrage and still win kind of deals pretty consistently, I imagine it might be slightly weaker without bis and maxed oaths across all main fleet ships tho. Been a while since my fleet was sub 13k

[native mantle]

but to level akaga is never wrong?

[elder crane]

Nope, it's a useful team in general as well as HMS is

[modern tree]

Akaga will win most games at some point. It's not super consistent at the moment but by no means bad

[elder crane]

Plus, once we get Nagato, it'll join the ranks of the others with similar winrate per match.
It might even do so with Amagi (I personally doubt that Amagi >= Nagato for foxes, but we'll see)

[native mantle]

I'm just not shure about kaga, cause with that bbaga she will procc akagis buff too(so i was told)

[elder crane]

BB Kaga seems pretty meh overall though.

Do we know if her barrage is any good yet?

[modern tree]

Amagi will do well to elevate the winrate I think. Not sure about the sister ship skill working with bb variant

[native mantle]

some ppl in #gameplay-help said even with bb kaga akagis skill works

[modern tree]

There are gifs on Chinese wiki if you can dig through it

I could fetch it otherwise, I think

[elder crane]

With 50% activation, and looking like it's only Hood levels of strong at best, I think CV Kaga will still be better

[native mantle]

would a akaga+hood/enty mainfleet + any vanguard work too? I'm just not that a fan of loli QE^^

[elder crane]

I personally have used Hakaga this and last season, it works fine

[modern tree]

http://p8.qhimg.com/dr/480__/t01d5fb2bae251530e2.gif

[native mantle]

?

[elder crane]

Frontline you can go with torps or utility or a mix.
Be prepared to reset a lot if you go all-in on torps.

[native mantle]

@modern tree it looks nice

wada ya think dax?

[elder crane]

I went with Juneau/Aya/Yuudachi last season, and it worked fine, and am using Yuudachi/Aya/Jintsuu this season around.

[native mantle]

it looks like a volley for screen cleaning

[modern tree]

Uhh, about the same as wash with worse proc rate, probably not bad, probably not amazing

[slow totem]

Certainly not amazing by the looks of it, too few bullets, too much spread.

[native mantle]

I'm just thinking if i then should buy elridge

[elder crane]

Her stats aren't particularly special either, so looks like she'll just be the usual good but not amazing ship.

Unlike Amagi, which looks like she's going to be a monster in PvE and a potential main component of PvP

[slow totem]

Hood’s barrage still trumps BBaga it seems.

[native mantle]

should i first that CD or buff skill from akagi upgraden?

[elder crane]

CD/Barrage I think will be the more important one, especially for level grinding

[modern tree]

Barrage boats are generally not awful, but being a BC with a coinflip barrage will make her rather niche

[slow totem]

Theres one major flaw with Foxes lineup tho, if you run into a devent WASD E/Hood fleet, you’re going to hit a brick wall, hard.

[elder crane]

Kaga is BB though, no?

[native mantle]

and hakaga or Enakaga?

[slow totem]

I mean since Bai is going to use CV Foxes

[native mantle]

the crimson echo kaga is BB/BC

[slow totem]

HaKaGa crashes and burn against good WASD fleets.

[elder crane]

WASDE/Hood for Hakaga is probs about 30% winrate in my experience

[modern tree]

Wait, shes a BB with a CL gun, fuck history I guess

[slow totem]

Hahahahaha!

[elder crane]

? Kaga was supposed to be tosa-class, a BB design

Amagi class was the BC design (or, really, more fast battleship)

[modern tree]

I thought she was meant to be a bc, but I am not going to argue cuz it would take me a while to verify and I don't trust my drunk self to do it

[native mantle]

so sue that for hakaga or a better option?

*use

[elder crane]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tosa-class_battleship
For a short overview

[slow totem]

Akagi was a BC
Kaga was a BB

Before they both became CVs, right?

[elder crane]

Amagi was supposed to be Akagi's pair, but then an Earthquake happened and she had to be scrapped

So they alternatively converted Kaga instead

[modern tree]

Juneau Belfast Eldridge will likely beat up most fleets if backed by any competitive backline because health advantage and damage advantage is hard to leap over

[elder crane]

@native mantle that's viable, the other option is to go with torpedos, which is usually Jintsuu, Aya, Aurora for now

[native mantle]

i ahve no one of that 3 torpedos

[slow totem]

Your only major brick wall (for using Foxes) would be good WASD fleets, so it’s 9/10 in my book.

[native mantle]

but i have belfast and juneau

[modern tree]

I ran this front with wasd e for a while, never lost a game, got bored and started doing goofy hms

[slow totem]

I ran HMS, then switched to WASD E, got tired of Owari Da Wild West duels, went back to HMS.

I still use WASD E if the enemy doesn’t have E to avoid more Red Dead Redemption duels.

[elder crane]

Ehh, just reset until you get good opening torpedos and a solid strike, HAKaga vs WASD doesn't actually take longer than WASD mirrors.
Lower per-match winrate, but much faster resets

[native mantle]

so i ahve only that "eldridge" setup or torpedo setup for viable vanguards?

[slow totem]

Yea, resetting too often doesn’t feel good in my heart lol

[elder crane]

Okay, with that setup you're looking at, the important thing is some of those ships are specific counters

Eldridge is very good against Enterprise, and okay elsewhere

Belfast is the same against Foxes

For best effectiveness, swap ships out to counter the team you're facing

[slow totem]

Eldridge is good against all carriers except Foxes, and all BBs that doesn’t use the twin 410mm.

[elder crane]

But just a standard one to start will still do fine

[modern tree]

Juneau Eldridge Belfast creates a weird singularity in which all your ships take barely any damage and you win because your fleet has 20% damage more

[slow totem]

Unless RNG has something to say about it

But it works generally well most of the time.

[modern tree]

I imagine it works a little worse the more CVs are in your main fleet cuz they are generally less tanky but most fleets should just win with this front, sooner or later

[native mantle]

I'm just lvoe yandere akagi^^

[slow totem]

Dw, Akagi loves you too, unlike Graf.

[wise summit]

Akaga E with Belfast Jintsuu Aurora is currently my winner. My goal is simple: win games without having to pay attention to comp, reorganise fleet position or reset combat. Don't care about defense.

Akagi really loves you

[slow totem]

Akashi also loves you(r wallet).

[native mantle]

but hakaga +elridge+belfast+juneau is a good thing i can start with?

[slow totem]

Yes.

[modern tree]

Remember that Saratoga loves you very much and does not try to kill anyone in the process, including your wallet

[wise summit]

Saratoga tries to kill your ears

[elder crane]

Gives you a good baseline of ships for any future teams too

[native mantle]

i hope i can get amagi^^

[slow totem]

DOKO MITERU NO?! KOCCHI DA YO!!!

@native mantle Don’t jinx yourself.

[wise summit]

provided you insert an unlimited amount of money the chances of not getting amagi approach 0

[slow totem]

“I hope I can get X.” is inviting RNGesus to say, “Interesting desire.”

[elder crane]

I've planned for at least 200 construction available over event, which is 1.7% chance to not get her

[slow totem]

Inhales.

🙏 📿

[elder crane]

1.7% is still uncomfortably high, but diminishing returns is too much afterwards I feel

[slow totem]

I see what they did there

[elder crane]

And gold generation I think makes more without spending money impossible

[slow totem]

Give the ‘meh’ barrage ship for ‘free’.

Give the better skills ship as build only

Yostar, we see you

[native mantle]

but after i farmed this entire day for akagi and kaga and got 3 kagas first then akagi I must say it was a good day^^

[slow totem]

That means you have used up your luck for the month

[elder crane]

Uh oh, no amagi incoming

[slow totem]

🇫

Plus, you jinxed by declaring your desire, Desire Sensor is real.

[native mantle]

dunno care about it^^ just hope i can clear the shop again^^

izu wada ya think we get after reset? sandy exchange again?^^

[slow totem]

Or Takao

Lol

[elder crane]

At least Avrora can't get Sandy, cause we currently have Sandy in exchange

[slow totem]

Didn’t Double Sandy happen at one point?

[elder crane]

Sandy in exchange 3 times already

[native mantle]

tkao would be great i need a 2nd for full stars^^

[slow totem]

So 30 days of Sandy

[elder crane]

Nah, it's impossible. the one time it happened was due to Daylight Savings time error, which was then fixed

[slow totem]

Oh, LOL

[modern tree]

you dont have mlb sandy with enough spares for kai? I pity you

[elder crane]

I've scrapped her ~10 times beyond my current mlb one and three spares

[slow totem]

My Sandy is already 100 at Love

[elder crane]

No luck looking for Aurora

[native mantle]

question if we dunno get hood tommorrow use my bulins for akagi or for hood MLB?

[slow totem]

Hood cause Hood is a hella more versatile than Akagi

PvE? Yes, PvP? Yes. Offense? Yes. Support? Yes. Group? Yes. Solo? Yes.

[elder crane]

If you don't have a good flagship farmer yet, Hood is great for that role.

And farming is the most important aspect of this game, so... yeah.

[native mantle]

aye i have tirpitz and hood for it

[slow totem]

Don’t mlb Akagi before Hood.

Tirpitz is selfish

Hood isn’t.

[native mantle]

aye my hood is at 5 stars have one bulin and hope we can get hood after the reset

leveling akaga 2:1?

or 1:1?

[slow totem]

Leveling is up to you

It’s leveling anyway, you will splurge on oil a bit

[native mantle]

so if i struggle with oil just go 1:1?

[slow totem]

As long as they don’t sink. XD

[native mantle]

akagi would not let me live if she sunk xD

*life

[slow totem]

She sunk, she can’t do anything.

[native mantle]

she can kill us while she sunk^^

*sink

[slow totem]

“Us?”

No u

Keep your furriness to yourself, kamerad

[native mantle]

as if someone could hate akagi^^

[slow totem]

Shoukaku does.

[native mantle]

wait.....but i thought akagi is her sempai?

[slow totem]

Yes, Shoukaku hates Akagi.

[native mantle]

somehow...that makes no sense^^

[slow totem]

Lol, just look at Skk’s dialogues and read the official manga.

“My super smart ‘senpai’ got themselves killed, I have to take on their burden. Sigh...”

With thicc passive-aggressive sarcasm

There you go.

[native mantle]

xD

[slow totem]

The last line in particular basically means that Shoukaku thinks Akagi is a dumb whore.

Lol.

[vague token]

owo what's this, 100 oathed jintsuu/aya/aurora foxes/e

time to bring out secret weapon

torpedo bulge minn

xD

[odd schooner]

Bulge affect CV torpedoes?

[vague token]

for the aya/jintsuu

not for the cvs lol

belfast still grants 35% damage reduction xD

and off tank eldridge doesnt get nuked easily by torps

so i just put the biggest hit points in front with bulge

[slow totem]

OwO What’s this...? Notices Bulge

[glossy jay]

🗡

[charred sable]

RIP, forgot to do my exercises due to New Year's countdown, lost 4 attacks

[slow totem]

Meh, let it go

Time with your friends and family >>> Virtual ranks

[hot creek]

no u

[slow totem]

U No

@native mantle You lonely bastard.

Go hug your Virtual Ranks that last for 5 minutes before it’s resetted

[native mantle]

it was a damn joke...^^

[slow totem]

The Internet is hard man

I thought you were serious

I apologize

[lone pendant]

lol

[subtle whale]

how jintsuu aurora ayanami vanguard sounds

to suicide and kill thier vanguard

[modern tree]

It will work sometimes

[subtle whale]

no one

[modern tree]

Sendai

[lunar veldt]

W11 when?

[subtle whale]

after pr ship ~please~

[outer stump]

Is St. Louis an option for PvP?

[modern tree]

Nobody will try to stop you from using her, but she's just understated Cleveland

[outer stump]

It's not about stopping me... It's about investments

Her chances are so low

I'm searching for something whit MGB+1... Especially CL, what you recommend?

And something that can work out pretty well

[elder crane]

Cleveland is good for her stats, her skills are whatever

Other MGM+1 CL highlights are Helena and Phoenix right now..... and I draw a blank. (The other clevelands once they release, I guess?)

Every MGM+1 ship is at least decent though, and almost all are good.

[modern tree]

Gunboats are generally not good pvps, but every ship from Cleveland class will hold their own, Portland will be good once we get her retrofit, Helena is a meme.

[outer stump]

But everyone is using Helena... Why is she a meme?

[modern tree]

People love memes

[outer stump]

Well guess that's normal

But why u say she is meme?

Because of her auxiliary eff?

[elder crane]

Nah, Helena is there for her skill mainly, her stats otherwise are solid but not amazing (they don't need to be)

[modern tree]

Her skill is the only valuable thing about her. She is mediocre all around.

[elder crane]

Her skill is very valuable though, I don't think she deserves to be called merely a "meme"

[modern tree]

Tossing a coin to determine wether a boat will be useful is rather weird idea of "good"

[elder crane]

It allows for defense Enty strikes to hit hard enough to threaten any team
On offense, it allows non-proced enty to still hit hard enough to matter

[modern tree]

We have better options

Aurora exists

[outer stump]

Who are from Cleveland class?

Or there aren't yet

[modern tree]

Helena will still work in pve but her time in pvp is rather done

We have only Cleveland for now

[outer stump]

Idk what to bring

[elder crane]

For offense, it's there for consistency, you don't need every skill in WASDE+Helena to proc, just 2 is enough in most situations.
For defense, her skill breaks past the 20% damage difference to allow teams to sometimes be a bigger threat than they usually are

E.g. WASDE alone on defense is not particularly threatening vs HAKaga on offense, but WASDE+Helena with skill procs is threatening. Although Helena is killed easier, it becomes a priority to kill her before proc for consistency

[outer stump]

I mean Takao doesn't doo that well in my fights

[modern tree]

It's no surprise

[elder crane]

Don't use CA in PvP until at least level uncap, if not PR equipment as well

They kinda suck at lv 100

[outer stump]

Well I have her from the begging

And I wanted to change her

Or an CL or an CA whit MGB+1

If Deutschland had MGB+1....

[modern tree]

Defense performance is really not that interesting to me and on offense you are going to be heavily overkilling everything. Not to mention that the more attacks you stack at 20 seconds, the happier Eldridge is. Helena just never sermed worth it to me because comboes are cool and all, but also really easy to play around

[outer stump]

Well I search for offensive ones

Only the def I will want is maybe some AA

But this isn't the big priority

Pretty bad that CA doesn't have that many main guns

And some of them aren't that accurate

[modern tree]

Phoenix might do okay things in pvp, will definitely mess with foxes and Enterprise, but the effectiveness of her skill will probably be very inconsistent

[outer stump]

Well she is an solo CL as I've heard

[elder crane]

Under only 1 skill proc, she's probably just worse than Cleveland

[outer stump]

Well that's what I was thinking about her

[modern tree]

There's a good chance you should be maxing Phoenix either way for pve content

[outer stump]

But still the greatest farmer

I have her already and I'm proud

But still searching for something for pvp

I don't have that much material for torp team comp

• I'm not a fan of torps, they aren't that accurate

I want something based on main guns

I think better DPS than missing burst

And especially now are the meta of CV's and I've heard CL have high AA

[modern tree]

Your win condition against foxes is not exploding in one strike and Phoenix can do that, but cleave might just be better and it's not like you would be wasting time rising cleave

[outer stump]

Well I will max her soon but now I'm undecided

[elder crane]

For a starting PvP team, Cleveland/Phoenix is good since you'll be using them a lot for PvE too

[outer stump]

I want to keep Belfast

But idk what about Laffey

[elder crane]

You can always work on other stuff afterwards, starting off, levels and equipment matter much more anyways

[outer stump]

I leveled backline a lot since I begun the game but I didn't showed that much importance to the vanguards

[elder crane]

Belfast is a PvP staple and is solid in PvE as well, Laffey is very strong in PvE but less so in PvP

[outer stump]

I mean I have some equipment (except only some main guns/ auxiliary for CL/DD fully maxed) but in time I will do it

Laffey was my first DD but well

I like her boost stat skill

But idk what to say

And her barrage too, which is hard to handle

But I'm asking if it's worth to bring full CL

Or keep Laffey and 2 CL

I think I should bring Cleveland since I don't have any MGB+1 ship

[elder crane]

For PvE, you'll want the option of having a DD
SInce PvE is more important to focus on first, I'd go with Laffey+2CL to start with

[outer stump]

For pve I have a lot

I mean Minneapolis, Phoenix

Soon Downes and Cassin

And if you mean for further chapters I think I should be fine whit my fleet exercise and an second fleet

But idk if I should bring the cranes to the second line

[elder crane]

If you have those at/near lv 100, then I'd work on Belfast if you want to build a PvP team

[outer stump]

Or keep Yorktown an Shoukaku

But whatever

[elder crane]

Otherwise, bringing a core team to at/near lv 100 first would be my priority personally

[outer stump]

That's what I have pretty much now ( some still on maxing

And those unmaxed yet

[elder crane]

Huh, with that, I'd just pick any one or two PvP teams and work on them

[outer stump]

But I'm not so sure what to pick

[elder crane]

You have to ships to build pretty much any top tier PvP team you want

[outer stump]

Well Ayanami is pretty much hard to retrofit since I retro laffey

And now I don't have purple/blue retros anymore

And I missed that oxygen Torp from the visitors dyed in red event which makes me pretty sad

Because I was at the begging

And no money

[elder crane]

The "standard" WASDE team will probably be the one easiest to build right now

[outer stump]

Oh btw the fleets are a bit mixed up because I switched between them a lot so ignore that

WASDE?

[analog hare]

Enterprise

[elder crane]

I'd refer you to aripanda's guide for details, he explains stuff I'd take much longer to explain worse

[outer stump]

I don't find that many guides on internet

[elder crane]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-kGGh6rHk7PlXQDkAl8bOGPUMp0oncVFeJAzSjdEgg/edit?usp=sharing

[outer stump]

But idk I'm just asking suggestions

Because I have a lot of ideas but I'm not so sure about them

[elder crane]

I'd go with either the WASD+Enterprise/+Hood team or the Foxes+Enterprise/+Hood team he lists there

Those would be the easiest to build I think given your current dock

Both are top teams, Washington/South Dakota is probably stronger right now, but with later events, Foxes will become equally strong (and give much faster battles)

[outer stump]

I switch between enterprise hornet, and foxes right now

Washington, South Dakota still maxing them

I will try them too when I'm done whit skills/ gear

But backline is not that much of a problem for me right now

Only my frontline is unbalanced

[elder crane]

I gtg right now
Sorry I can't help you more

[outer stump]

Well thanks for the talk anyways

[elder crane]

Look over the guide though, it gives some good explainations

[outer stump]

Cy@

[modern tree]

Sounds alright for pve, get to have way over average cv and bb with cl gun

[outer stump]

Should I pick CL guns for BB's when I can?

[modern tree]

It probably has no use in pvp since Kaga bb is okay at best, one of the foxes doesn't accomplish much on her own and last slot becomes incredibly awkward cuz its probably Nagato boosting nothing in particular

For pve, yeah. For pvp it's debatable. Twin 127mm gold is a pretty good gun and does a better job at shooting the vanguard when both are alive and shredding it if yours sank first. Also AA boost. Belgun is more fp with same range but a bit worse projectile pattern so it works just fine but it all depends on what you value more and what you have available

[gaunt fiber]

warspite or illustrious for an hms fleet?

[gaunt fiber]

ty

[modern tree]

Hakaga with Jintsuu Belfast Aurora looks pretty strong. After first few tests vanguards that survive the alpha strike die to belgun fire and Enterprise seems to melt instantly if she gets hit with hood barrage, leaving only wasd vs most of the fleet intact

Don't even need solid torp hits for this to work it seems

[hot creek]

crap i only got one +11 this round. usually get a minimum of two in the twelve hour block

im three points behind daxam senpai NotLikeThis

[modern tree]

Found another fleet to test against. Turns out Juneau Eldridge Belfast gives this fleet a lot of trouble randomly. How boring.

People can't get their jintsuus soon enough

[hot creek]

im having seconds thoughts on ringing jintsuu

did you ring her? @modern tree

[modern tree]

I ringed her to get rid of variant and because I intend to use her in pve

[elder crane]

Silly "Variant" messing with ship names

[hot creek]

hmmm she does seem solid in pve as well.

[hard citrus]

How about KMS fleet

[modern tree]

Guess what, using Juneau Eldridge Belfast with hakaga lets me win every game against wasd e with the same front. Whee, so exciting

How do you imagine a kms fleet and how are you planning to include Juneau Eldridge Belfast in it

[hard citrus]

Tirpitz/graf zeppelin z23/z1/deutschlAnd

[modern tree]

Tirp has a hard time hitting shots on vanguards and 1.3x0=0. Zeppelin either uses helldivers to be a mediocre carrier with no reload or you use Junkers and have little damage on a defensive carrier with no reload. Zs lack evasion to survive getting hit by foxes or Enterprise, especially because Aurora exists. Deautschland is a CA with light armour.

[hard citrus]

Medium armor

[modern tree]

Does she have medium? Alright makes her marginally better than I thought

[hard citrus]

I ve got an idea

Ark royal (destroy vanguard)/hood/graf
Prinz/admiral hipper/deutschland

[modern tree]

I don't think Z Vanguard or Zeppelin is a way to go and orherwise you are not really playing kms anymore for any synergy. If anything, I would do something like Hipper Liepzig Deautschland with Tirp and Zepp

And slap Enterprise on it so I can win some games

I would do that right now as an experiment but my Zeppelin is behind on levels

Some variation of that is probably the best. No, Eugen is not good

Are there any other options sides to common cruisers? I am aware of Scarnhost and Ginseau but they break Tirp so its probably not worth for BC

[elder crane]

Deutschland with her special gun might be somewhat interesting since it targets the backline instead of the frontline iirc.

[modern tree]

Liepzig with Deutschland is probably the most you get out of your kms. HE gun on her has a potential to deal a lot of damage to the front if she hits them because spooky scary tiny battleship

Don't know if hitting the back will have much impact even with AP ammo. Even if you get 400 damage per shot, it will take a while to make any dents in stuff that has 7k hp on average

[finite valve]

rip nagaka?
https://www.bilibili.com/video/av39630419

[modern tree]

Belfast Juneau Ykkz

Heh heh just kill me now

[real notch]

I experimented with beflast jintsuu aurora

I experimented with beflast jintsuu aurora

Its not good against Bb backlines

[finite valve]

just the fact that day 1 ship enty alone can single handedly rekt the whole team comp show how much broken 1 single skill is

lel

[modern tree]

It seemed to work just fine against vanguards that aren't the ultimate solution to pvp

[vague token]

enty isnt that bad nowadays

[modern tree]

Which is just Juneau Eldridge Belfast

[finite valve]

1 single ship > a whole team comp?

eh not in anyway ok lel

[modern tree]

I don't know what's the point of experimenting with anything when just using this vanguard wins games on it's own

[vague token]

helena enterprise is the only rng troll comp xD

[finite valve]

also maybe i should max my bunny for the new and improve foxes lel

she alone out dps the foxes lol

[modern tree]

Feels good to have bunnies leveled for the hell of it. Just need to take their skills from 7 to 10

[vague token]

i cant remember, is kagerou retro out already? xD

[finite valve]

no

[vague token]

gotta do amagi, kagerou, Bailey debuff team

aww rip

my plan nooo

[odd schooner]

Just now, the enty sank in less than 10 seconds

[edgy kiln]

this fleet is so hard to deal with

[hot creek]

auroura is pretty scary

[modern tree]

it might just be me but juneau belfast eldridge seems to beat it just fine, like everything else, ever

[real notch]

that fleet is good but i feel juneau is a little out of place

[vague token]

frontloaded damage team + juneau

xD

we nagato meta

[real notch]

but juneau's more v iable in that spot

if it's like before in the tgank spot

it's almost guaranteed she'll instadie and overhneal

i used that fleet before i maxed jintsuu but i think jintsuu works better'

[vague token]

that feeling when minn actually kills a vanguard, so then she rolls up to backline critting for almost 500 lol

[wise summit]

I'm currently running Belfast/Jintsuu/Aurora with Akaga/E and what tends to happen regardless of frontline or Belfast presence is the first round of torpedoes softens frontline, first fox wave deletes the whole thing, second round of torpedoes massively softens backline, then Enterprise finishes

problematic cases arise in first 3 seconds when the vanguards split off to top/bottom so torpedoes go nowhere, and there was one belfast+leander HMS frontline that didn't die by E but which I still won anyway

[real notch]

yeah, i had about the same results

[dull hollow]

HMS lacks any units to be threatening right now

which is why you can get away with motley akaga comps

[real notch]

the main problem is consistency with this part

second round of torpedoes massively softens backline, then Enterprise finishes

assuming you clear vanguard before 4:24 (2nd strike) which is like a 80% chance, your vanguard will walk into enemy backline and get shredded within seconds (if enemy backline is BBs)

[dull hollow]

in general running a torp focused attacker frontline tends to be a pretty bad idea, with the exception of FW

[real notch]

that's why i replaced eldridge with belfast

[dull hollow]

torps on attackerside are inherently gimped

because of the distance they must travel to hit the enemy backline

[real notch]

given the acc of backline BBs, eldridge usually procs within 1-1.5 secs

so you get about 10 secs of torp charging and pummeling with your vanguard

[dull hollow]

EN will enter a cursed meta where CA are unviable in PvP and you're forced to field CL against Aurora

at least FW will be able to stand up to nakaga

so you guys arent forced into a 1sided meta for 3 months

[real notch]

imo i believe foxes are still too weak compared to wasd, essentially once you lose your vanguard your foxes will get immediately shelled to death

but the desron additions have made it really easy for twinfox fleets to gain the vanguard advantage

[dull hollow]

FW is def stronger than foxes atm

[real notch]

keeping the vanguard advantage is tough tho

[dull hollow]

but FW plays by different rules

[real notch]

because sometimes washington will just barrage one of your foxes to death

[dull hollow]

FW sucks complete donkey dick in a frontline vs frontline

[real notch]

and you immediately lose

[dull hollow]

the FW comp I use

should apply to EN in same concept

u suicide ur frontline

[real notch]

yeah that looks like the comp that i want to use

[dull hollow]

so the enemy front gets shredded

and u enter a backline vs backline

which FW has the advantage in because of sodak meme

[real notch]

but maybe saint louis instead of sendai

[vague token]

is that essex lol

[dull hollow]

no

you do not run tank frontlines

with FW

u need ur frontline to die fast

a lot of FW damage comes from vanilla shelling

which is super rng if both fronts are alive

if your frontline dies it makes life a lot easier

[real notch]

hmm

but having a frontline is the only way to split up airstrike dmg

[dull hollow]

FW is the only comp style that likes playing without an alive frontline

[real notch]

otherwise you'll get 2000lb bombed

[dull hollow]

FW is the only comp that can survive

eating airstrikes

uncut

I eat full 120 nakagas

no one dies

[real notch]

basically if you lose vanguard before 2nd fox strike your sodak will already proc iron

[dull hollow]

the goal is to lose vanguard before you shell

that way BB dont waste shots on frontline

and instead pummel enemy backline

i used to run a super tanky frontline with FW but you just lose too much damage

[real notch]

hmm

but if you lose vanguard, how will you clear enemy vanguard

your BB shells will get split dmg that way

spending half the time trying to kill enemy vanguard

typically you rely on ent to wipe vanguards but does essex do the same job just as well?

[hot creek]

p sure your secondaries start shelling the enemy vangard as they can't target them with main guns.

[dull hollow]

BB seconadries

shred frontline

so u waste no dps

if both fronts are alive u waste so much dps

[vague token]

wait, why does your own vanguard stop your shells from being optimal again?

[dull hollow]

travel time

and ur 2ndaries cant hit enemy front

DD guns have the highest DPS in the game

if u get rid of ur vanguard

[vague token]

you mean like not killing the enemy vanguard

[dull hollow]

u get to shred the fronts

[vague token]

oh ok

literally suiciding

[real notch]

ye ok i get it now

xd

[dull hollow]

i mean jintsuu and torps will leave

quite a dent

so ur 2ndaries should make quick work

of w/e is left

[real notch]

it would work assuming they don't torp the shit out of your washington or essex

but it's an interesting theory that i think may only work in JP/CN

because currently there's so much eldridge in EN

if you follow that strat you'll end up with a cloaked enemy vanguard

[dull hollow]

eldridge does nothing vs this

[real notch]

hitting u for 10 secs

[dull hollow]

the biggest weakness

of this comp

is when u fight comps

that cant kill ur front LOL

so fighting vs weak HMS setups with a random enterprise thrown in

actaully gives me more trouble

than perfect 120 esports setups

[real notch]

currently the problem is

there's not enough torp dmg OR eva debuff to invalidate eldridge atm

so she will almost guarantee proc during a match unless if she's in the tank slot like some idiots do

[vague token]

lol yeah

[dull hollow]

idk ive never had issues with eldridge back in JP 100 days

only my LustyE comp had issues with it

tho it is true that EN is lacking

[real notch]

i've done a lot of testing without eldridge and ye she solve the problem u pointed out which is backline 127 shredding

[dull hollow]

a lot of critical BB equipment

no shells means ur dps is ass

[real notch]

yeee we are still waiting on that

[dull hollow]

Akaga Hood probably still the safest comp

esp with aurora existing rn

[real notch]

EN currently is different from CN/JP from the past

probably

[vague token]

didn't twitter mention some carrier gear?

[real notch]

honestly my current opinion is

i think the meta has somehow shifted into eldridge as

necessary ship

[dull hollow]

eh

doubtful

esp as EN might shift into an Amagi meta of sorts

assuming u guys get the event next

the reason why eldridge will never be "meta" is because foxes and 410 guns exist

[vague token]

ill be swapping amagi in for sure because debuff xD

[real notch]

that would be cool

yea

i think the same

the thing about EN right now is foxes don't exist as abundantly as before

it's almost always wasd

[dull hollow]

WASD is annoying to attack into

the battles are long

and if you kill their frontline too fast

[real notch]

actually my current theory is eldridge will disappear the moment foxes become meta again

[dull hollow]

u end up with the situation I talked about earlier

wasd dumpsters ur frontline

then outshells you

xd

or rather, outlasts you

[real notch]

yea

[dull hollow]

FW damage is really low

[real notch]

as foxes

unless if you have eldridge xd

[dull hollow]

even if u have eldridge hugging your backline

i dont think it poses that big of a risk to FW

for 1, well, you have eldridge

so that's 1 unit who doesnt deal damage

[trail hollow]

[dull hollow]

and u guns and CV will still pummel the enemy backline

so it is only a matter of time before eldridge dies

like u could end up in some situation where 2 torp carries and eldridge both live but that's gonna be rare af

[vague token]

i feel like sometimes i still lose dps trades with wasd/x if my vanguard dies

might be im not completely optimized though

[real notch]

eldridge is ok actually

300 torp stat

and a pretty decent barrage

she fits ok into desron archetype

[odd schooner]

@vague token i found you

Anyway, minnie died before procing dullahan

Imma test a few rounds

[vague token]

dullahan isnt useful

she's just literally the best MGM+1 CA we have atm

that and her oddly higher than usual AA helps a tiny bit

[slow totem]

Sieg

[vague token]

dullahan only helps if you pass to main fleet

where she actually has medium armor

to tank 127 shots

[slow totem]

@odd schooner I fought someone else with the exact same set up as yours, Akagi and all of the vanguard died in the first 15-20 seconds to BB shelling.

Badly geared or was I just really lucky?

[vague token]

i mean, aurora/aya/jintsuu sounds glassy lol

[slow totem]

Hmmm, true.

[vague token]

just blow everything up

either they die real fast, or you die real fast

hit dat restart button

xD

[slow totem]

Convenient for both sides.

[vague token]

yep ;)

someday (aka never) they'll give us Nep ship buffs

like MGM+1 black heart

[slow totem]

Maybe they’ll return with Retrofits for the Hearts, to their NEXT forms

[vague token]

or 60% chance on gun shot barrages (like houston)

or w/e her shot chance was for evade

i forget

also that assumes the NEXT forms get more in this game than they did in the original game ;)

[slow totem]

[vague token]

i was super sad to see they only give SP discounts and boosted radius for skills

xD

[slow totem]

Looks cooler tho

[vague token]

that feeling when gameplay =/= cutscene power

max rip

[slow totem]

[vague token]

nep didnt bring enough protag power to azur lane dimension

actually if i recall in the event story it was akashi who geared them

so we can blame

[slow totem]

They don’t have gems so she gives them trash rigging.

[vague token]

max oof

[lime rivet]

Hey guys. Sodak/Wash/Hiryuu, Juneau/Belfast/Eldridge defense fleet. Sounds good?

I was thinking CygKai instead of Belfast, but that trades off Belsmoke too.

[vague token]

oh god

that team sounds evil

[slow totem]

Yes, sounds good. Better than facing off WASD Enty, I just need to snipe Washy and victory is assured.

[subtle whale]

yeah that sounds good

[vague token]

xD

/never made hms

[modern tree]

Ah, Juneau Belfast Eldridge, the weapon to surpass metal gear

[glossy jay]

oo i think i missed 4 battles

i have no idea how many battles you get per day but it sure as hell aint 10

[azure aurora]

15 chances/d

[glossy jay]

which reset is the one worth 10

[grave gale]

There's 3 resets. 2 am, 2 pm, 7 pm. CST

Each gives 5

[glossy jay]

i probably just had 9 goes when it showed as 4

i hate how it doesnt update unless i close and open app

[azure aurora]

Trying Wasd today with jintsuu aya and junaeu

Better than juneau aurora and belfast vs akaga

[odd schooner]

@slow totem it's glasscannon mostly just for offensive. Got one friend trying to kill it so i set it up for defense

[slow totem]

And how did that friend’s tryouts go? Same as mine? :O

[odd schooner]

Gets slammed by wasd H but wasd E is inconsistent. Sometimes E dies too fast

[slow totem]

Then it’s indeed weak to BBs

Cause USS ones have absurdly high AA and can tank the preemptive air strikes and torps

Then shell back just as hard to the Foxes’ paper defense

[odd schooner]

Offensive akaga is weird tho

It slams even wasd H

[slow totem]

20% indeed does a lot

[bleak tree]

Best Anti Air setup for a WASD E back + Juneau/Bel/Aya?

I saw the recomanded equip, but how do I make the AA synergize?

[azure aurora]

Wasd better without aya

[bleak tree]

Why? (I'm using the AirPanda guide as reference)

Also i'm open for ship alternatives for her 😃

[azure aurora]

Wasd vanguard role = stall time for bb
Akaga vanguard role = nuke enemy vanguard asap so foxes can finish it

Maybe im wrong but thats what i play

[wise summit]

as attacker nuking in general works out

[azure aurora]

But you cant kill enemy fast enough

Thats where juneau shine

Foxes battle usually end less than 1 min, but wasd more than that

[bleak tree]

I can try out something more tanky rather than Aya, tnx for the tip

[wise summit]

that's been my general experience with aya is she's too soft

[azure aurora]

Very

[coral wren]

I found a easy way to kill wasd as hood+fox. Just position hood across washy. And wahy dies before sodak can get buff

[wise summit]

I swapped her out for belfast in belfast/jintsuu/aurora (rainbow torp & dildo put onto jintsuu) and it's been working out much better

I'm fairly sure sodak's buff procs even when washington is dead

[coral wren]

Nope

[azure aurora]

Nope

[wise summit]

word

[bleak tree]

back from the start: optimal AA setup anyway? Is there some generic set or depens on the comp itself? (locking down a WASD as back)

[azure aurora]

Don't really remember but after 10/20 sec washi ded , sodak immortal skill not active at all

Juneau aurora belfast

[opaque lodge]

What frontlines does wasd usually run? Not really sure what to slap in there

[azure aurora]

Usually run ?

Juneau, eldridge and belfast

[opaque lodge]

Uhm. Im pretty short on purins, but guess i can work towards eld/bel and give it a try

[modern tree]

@bleak tree it's going to be a mix of bofors and roombas for the highest range and burst available with a dash of a chance to fire twice

And if you want one size fits all frontline, Juneau Belfast Eldridge works for any backline and should be close to free wins on EN if geared properly. Currently running it in hakaga because why use Aurora, Jintsuu or other fancy shit. Just slap some health on it.

10-0 vs this fleet, as hakaga with magical frontline. No amount of bad rng makes me lose. At least games are fast so I don't have time to get bored

I am going to look for better frontlines to smash my head against, but it did beat Juneau Eldridge Belfast wasd e before, so all I have to do is find one and screenshot it

[hot creek]

my aurora/jintsuu bout to hit 100

maybe you can test against them if you find me

but i don't have wasd lol

[modern tree]

I expect to have a little bit of trouble against HMS, but barely anyone plays it.

Can't wait for Amagi making stalling even dumber so nobody plays anything except for Juneau Belfast Eldridge/YKKZ/any ijn ship to trigger Amagis passive

[hot creek]

20k more xp each to go

[modern tree]

Moderately decked out all oath HMS sniping a fox is not even enough to stop this team.

7-3 vs HMS with meme frontline hakaga. I let them snipe a fox every time.

That's probably the only team that I would consider using Aurora against, but I still end up winning consistently so there is not much purpose to that

[hot creek]

done. finally.

[hot creek]

gonna go ahead and leave this out for defense https://puu.sh/CqzfY/032d243329.png

junny has pearl, backline all 410's lul.

[modern tree]

Isn't 410 on QE conflicting with others

I use 406 just to stagger them without reloaders

[hot creek]

who needs staggering when you can just yolo all your shots at the 15-18 second mark

i can see why izurich gets enty snipes at 15 so often now.

[modern tree]

Do you think people will run Amagi with WASD just to stall more?

[wise summit]

you'd need a full ijn front for that which precludes juneau eldridge Belfast and all the usual stall suspects doesn't it

[modern tree]

ijn only gives her faster first shot, the passives all should work regardless

[wise summit]

or am I thinking of a different buff

oh it's only the attack buff that needs the ijn

[modern tree]

her barrage has a bonus of making her first shot 50% faster if fleet has 4 weebo ships

but her barrage is probably less relevant than 7% tankier front and 20% tankier back

[wise summit]

If that 10% evasion rate is absolute

[elder crane]

Yep, it's absolute, which is very strong, since it scales extremely well with normal evasion

[modern tree]

I just hope bunny retrofits will stay away for a while longer

stalling fronts with Hiryuu

[lofty smelt]

I like being rank 20 something and using 5 refreshes only to have top slots be 40s every time. I just want to use my matches game and not lose rank.

[coral wren]

410? I thought he has 406 on all of them

[modern tree]

406 loses pretty badly to enterprise

even for wasd you use 410s because they help in the mirror a lot

my hms uses 2 410s and 406 on qe because shes HELPING

[coral wren]

Y, i was surprised when izu or someone else told me he was running 3 406 specifically vs e

[modern tree]

with 406 you hit E on like maybe 3rd volley if she keeps getting her skill off?

it's a hard life

[coral wren]

Damn, that’s alot of posts way up there, but i think i asked about that in the past week

[modern tree]

406 fired at 18 with gold fcr, 22 without it, E launches at like 24 ish so with 406 you hit at most one volley until you start the waiting game of 44 vs 48 and 66 vs 72 which is when you start hitting her

[coral wren]

Ahh, my bad, found it. Yeah, it’s 3 410.

[modern tree]

410s fire at like 16 so you get at least 2 full volleys in before she starts messing with you, which is an opening for 2 hood barrages which kills her regardless of your team compsition and juneau/pearl heals, especially if backed by Warspite

[coral wren]

And correct me if im wrong, but 406 has a god awful accuracy and velocity

[modern tree]

406 is not much different than 410 but it has a little bit wider spread and more projectiles which gives an impression of poor accuracy

[coral wren]

Every time i meet badger buffed vanguard it makes me think they could dodge 406 salvo all day every day

[modern tree]

but this wider spread helps hit frontline a little bit more reliably so it's probably more good than bad if you are not relying on just those guns to do the sink thing

I think the projectile travel time is consistent for the ammo type, they are both HE so this doesn't change

[modest scarab]

Is the Crimson Echo ship significant in PvP?

[white granite]

idk but amagi is looking promising for her skill set

her skills are op

but it forces u to put ijn ships in fleet if u want faster first gun shot

[vague token]

you could just not use ijn ships

like, instead of hood/wasd, you could amagi/wasd for extra durability

[white granite]

yeah but if u want Faster first gun shot then it’s better to put them in

[vague token]

i mean, if you're using a 410, does it REAAAALLY matter if you shoot at the 8-9 second mark

or the 15-16 or w/e

it's still before most defensive skills

and belfast is probably going to trigger mid shot flight

[white granite]

im probably gonna use her for her skills tho still rip

ill figure out something

[vague token]

plus, she still gets the barrage anyways

[modest scarab]

Why 410?

[vague token]

it's on shot

most of the barragers use 410mm

cause it's faaaast

Timed Barrages dont need it so they use the 406

cause the firing rate doesnt affect anything

[modest scarab]

How is HMS fleet with Ark?

[white granite]

idk how to use ark I don’t understand what it means by swordfish formation

tactics*

[modern tree]

Ark trades poorly in damage, you kill or get killed. That said, because of Aurora it works rather fine provided you don't get parried by Eldridge

[white granite]

would lusty work well in pvp

[modern tree]

But I think 2 gold cudas ate sort of mandatory for Ark cuz she doesn't combo with anything if you use other planes

[vague token]

aim torps work for non eldridge

just because she'll annihilate things with the speed reduction

but then you might as well run owari da

also i think the swordfish squadron themselves have "aimed" torps

[modern tree]

Lusty works only as means to lessen impact of the Lucky E, which is all fine and dandy but probably hardly wins games on its own

[modest scarab]

I thought of she would deal massive damage with focused torpedoes, amd sheer number of it?

[white granite]

ill probably just use lusty when there’s enty rip

[modern tree]

Focused torps are attached to very slow planes, its better to launch fast and have your Queen Elizabeth blow people up with her gun rather than wait until like 29 seconds for converging torps

Ark is fragile and trades poorly with Enterprise or any kind of backline hate.

[vague token]

yeah

also, running cudas and going against E bottom formation means ark loses most trades

because E is going to invuln

[modern tree]

If you want to use Sakura torps, they are way way better on Akagi and Kaga

[vague token]

and middle is screened by the vanguard

and top like never gets hit by a larger amount of cuda torps

relative to the other spots

so eldridge/e bottom basically makes ark do mostly no damage

[modest scarab]

How about Cranes?

[modern tree]

Cranes combo with Helena and Aurora to hilariously overkill everything and hilariously do nothing against Eldridge

[elder crane]

And also just falls flat vs E

E kinda soft-counters most normal CVs, eh.

[modern tree]

They work, they're arguably more worth to level than foxes if your focus is just pve because Skk is outstanding on her own

But they don't really fill in any niche beyond waifu

[elder crane]

Well, for the 4 min battle niche they're finally better than foxes

[vague token]

lol, maybe if damage wasnt so high we could see a 4 minute battle

[elder crane]

Some PvE can have that long, EX modes and such

[vague token]

i meant pvp but yeah

[elder crane]

But even then most EX is much shorter...

(in terms of being able to score)

Is there a niche for cranes anywhere

[modern tree]

Skk is a very good damage/support CV with no back up, her stats are really high and skill is insane. You don't really need Zkk to be there. For pvp it doesn't really work tho

[elder crane]

Mmm, but aren't there better options for any use case?

[modern tree]

Well, E and Saratoga are probably better solo carriers, but they their skills are not nearly as good for your whole fleet

[vague token]

did people use Sara kai over enterprise when she showed up?

just curious

[modern tree]

I don't think Saratoga was ever the thing in pvp because her loudout makes her incredibly slow to launch

But maybe I am wrong and Essex triple carrier was good at some point? Would you even use Saratoga for that? No idea

[vague token]

gotcha

[modern tree]

Is Aurora really overhyped or am I using her wrong? She feels like worse Leander right now and while she probably does better at lvl 120 where stats are way higher I am really not sure if that's going to matter

[vague token]

aurora cant just be tossed in

im pretty sure

i think she's more of getting ready for nakaga and just outperforming belfast smoke

but atm she isnt crazy

dunno though

[real notch]

aurora is really strong

big vanguard advantage and basically invalidates DDs

[modern tree]

Does this advantage translate into anything? I feel like Juneau and Eldridge are much better at securing vanguard advantage

I feel like with Aurora you either win really hard or just lose, very polarising results all day, actually legit dropped a game while testing so goodbye top 10 at the end of season I guess

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CqOvz/5aadfb371e.png lul

welp

i just lost one too if that makes you feel any better

the ole' backline at 50% and thinking you can survive the Lucky E lol

guy also had some weird launch times with Enty

too bad I couldn't test more

he actually had a maxed fleet

for once

[modern tree]

I am testing the same front with hakaga atm, except I have Jintsuu up front because her torps seem to hit better there and I like healing my backline after I wipe vanguard

Cuz Juneau sinks vs bb aux pretty fast

It's still nothing spectacular, 6-4 vs maxed wasd hood

At this point I migh as well play Juneau Eldridge Aurora cuz that's the only thing I have not tried yet, what a joy that will be

[slow totem]

Aurora can also die in the first round of bb shelling

But unlike Juneau, she provides no benefit when she dies

She’s strong but not that Broken

I had an easier time facing vanguards with Aurora than with Fortune

[modern tree]

Maybe akaga without Nagato just sucks

Well "sucks"

[slow totem]

On defense, maybe

On attack, it’s still a reliable way to rush stuff

[modern tree]

Struggles to do consistently well against equally powerful fleets even whith damage boost

[slow totem]

It does face a brick wall against strong WASD fleets, and the point of running foxes is to win fast

[modern tree]

HMS smacks hakaga too

[slow totem]

Ye, one fox dead at 15 seconds, invalidating a second air strike

[modern tree]

Maybe it's time to give foxes up until they get more tools

[slow totem]

That tool being called NogatoPing?

[modern tree]

Actually, nagato will enable Amagi Hiryuu Kai bullshit so foxes might just legit be dead forever

[slow totem]

They had their run, it’s fine

[strange shuttle]

How are these scores possible? These gaps didn’t exist last reset

[slow totem]

They are hardcore sandbaggers

[modern tree]

Luck, patience, living in a good timezone to farm

[slow totem]

I did it, once, ended up at 3rd at end of season, never again.

Sleep schedule: Non Existent

[modern tree]

You wait until there's a point gap between you and your opponent, bigger than 35 at least but higher is better, then you farm them for points

[strange shuttle]

i know how to sand bag

i never had a gap that large before in the full time playing this game otuside the dst thing

[slow totem]

Yeah, but they know how to sandbag better

[modern tree]

It's all luck in the end

[slow totem]

They might have won lots of +7 or +8 extra points a lot at the beginning of the season

[strange shuttle]

you would of seen that refelected before resets though

[slow totem]

You knowing how to sandbag =//= Someone else sandbagging better and luckier

Or if they cheat, Intern-kun will get to them

[strange shuttle]

look at my place

vs the top scores

thats weird af

the only time i seen something like this was during the dst drama

[slow totem]

This is me atm, not sandbagging (deliberately)

[modern tree]

4 games behind right after reset does not seem extraordinary

[slow totem]

And here are the top rankers

If I blow all my 9 matches now, I can reach top 1

[strange shuttle]

yeah something funny is going on

l y\\\nvm

im an idiot

i cnt math

[slow totem]

[strange shuttle]

cuz the reset didnt show i had 10 attacks

that drives me nuts

[slow totem]

[strange shuttle]

you know

you you pull up the menu right ot attack

ut still says 5/10

till you shut off the game

-.-

[slow totem]

Game is Troll

[hot creek]

r e s e t

always reset that shit m8

[modern tree]

[slow totem]

Reset and Exercise can’t be separated

Illuminati Confirmed

[strange shuttle]

says i got 10 attacks now

[slow totem]

Yeah, you’ll reach top 1 with just 5 attacks

[strange shuttle]

https://youtu.be/GRWbIoIR04c

well 10 mins ago ya

not anymore

rofl

[slow totem]

[strange shuttle]

now be like

7

or so

[strange shuttle]

but ya i thought the scores ws weird cuz i was mathing 50 not 100

[noble gyro]

what shipfu should i use along with amagi and bb kaga for backline in pvp?

[modern tree]

Akagi maybe, she does get a boost. Hood goes with anything. Could wait for Nagato or other ijn event bbs for memes. That's probably all? BB Kaga does not seem to be super strong all things considered

Hyuuga might do something

With what we have available Hood might be the best option, just all in on the barrages and ride the rng wave

[elder crane]

Retrofitted Hiryuu might also be viable, depending on if her stat boost makes her last-second strike+immunity strong enough to reliably close out matches

[odd schooner]

Do i trade off 25 torp stats + 1 torpedo for 3s earlier torpedoes

Ayanami

Technically for offensive

Can't test atm. My list is less than 9k atk ppl and 0 refresh

[elder crane]

~~There seems to be no easy answer to that. Both seem to work almost identically from subjective experience, so a lot, and I mean A LOT if the difference is small, of testing vs many different team setups would be needed.

Aya does die somewhat often before 2nd set of torps vs many teams. Does the 3s earlier torps make a significant difference in being able to launch second set, offsetting the extra stats and the extra preloaded torp the quints have? And if you get off the second set often, two sets of the quints are better than two sets of the quads.

All in all, I wouldn't worry about it too much, it likely doesn't make much of a difference.
Feel free to try your own testing.~~

I think most people think the quints are better though.

[odd schooner]

I gotta wait till next reset for it

[slow totem]

Quints are better because they glow with a neon 80s rainbow!

[foggy token]

always use rainbow mag if u have rainbow mag available. higher damage opening torp is more important than faster reload.

[elder crane]

Yeah, on second thought, the only case where the quad are better is if Aya dies in that 3s window; which seems like a rare enough case to not offset the other cases (assuming that Aya's potential 3rd set of torps doesn't matter since the match is well decided by then)

[slow totem]

Wut? Belchan?

Fail emote

[charred sable]

Thoughts on what the new meta will be? Amagi + Akagi + Kaga / Ayanami + Jintsuu + Juneau?

[trail hollow]

EN?

[stable panther]

holy shit, i forgot meta exist

[charred sable]

actually, will probably be Washington + South Dakota + Amagi / your favourite front 3

[stable panther]

on a wash+sodak combination, should wash be in the middle or not?

[lofty smelt]

I'll be running Amagi + Akaga / Aya + Jintsuu + Aurora

Kill everything

@stable panther South Dakota in middle

[stable panther]

okie

[vague token]

what is amagi's barrage shaped like again? xD

[charred sable]

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/天城 see the video on the right side of the page

Its like a rain of yellow and blue stuff

all to the backline I believe?

[lofty smelt]

How fast does the gold fire control radar and her skill make her launch the barrage?

[charred sable]

according to the wiki, her lvl 100 reload is 128. In comparison, Hood, Washington and South Dakota have a reload of 138

[lofty smelt]

So we're launching at 5 seconds ez clap

(I don't actually know)

[charred sable]

if you run Helena like me, you'll probably want to go with a Twin 410mm + High Performance Fire Control Radar on her to have her timing fit in the 20s window