pvp

[outer stump]

I'm still wondering how so many people have like 20k oil

Or u aren't doing the oil commissions?

[zenith tundra]

i'm full of oil because i can't use it

like the 5k u get from event i spent it on food

[outer stump]

Why u don't farm for something

[zenith tundra]

i'm way too old to just spend all the time on al

i like to play other games too

[modern tree]

My oil stacks when I am at work but I rarely hit the cap cuz my level is so high

[outer stump]

Oh I see

[zenith tundra]

what lvl are u daxam?

[outer stump]

I wonder if there's an level cap

[zenith tundra]

i think there is

it's like 150 or something

[outer stump]

I think it's 100

Like I think the merchant and the oil factory are at max 10 level

[modern tree]

87 atm

[outer stump]

Which you can upgrade them at every 10 levels

I want 80 to upgrade mine

76 atm

[zenith tundra]

u reach max lvl at 80 with merchant and canteen

im 86 rn

[outer stump]

But the level it's hard af to made

But actually I got a lot of stuff than the other people which are a lot of levels ahead of mine

[modern tree]

I farm way too much low level things for ship exp and equipment

[zenith tundra]

at higher lvls u need to farm higher stuff

[modern tree]

I got level and a half farming Jintsuu

[outer stump]

Idc about xp anymore... My main goal was 70 for the daily runs

Now maybe only for merchant and oil upgrade

[zenith tundra]

80 is a good lvl since u max out merch and canteen

[outer stump]

Yeah

But I always had a question

How tf you could've get Avrora?

Idk what CBT Reward means

It was a reward for the launch of the EN game or what?

[zenith tundra]

beta for en server

we'll get her in the 1yr anniversary too

[outer stump]

Oh

But is she good?

Or only for collection

[zenith tundra]

her buff is ok

her stats are bad tho

[outer stump]

Oh

For collection I suppose

[zenith tundra]

most of the ships are for collection like neps

[outer stump]

I actually keep the good ships but I like to keep some of the limited ones

I like a lot those who have an nice idle animation

Or nice interactions

[zenith tundra]

i upgraded my dock so i keep all ships

i'm at 300 spaces now

[outer stump]

Idk i don't think it's much worth for only 10 slots

[zenith tundra]

i know it isn't but i like to have all ships

[outer stump]

Well good for you

Man of culture

Idk about you but I hate Juneau's meta

That healing is pretty insane sometimes

Like whit Washington and South

[zenith tundra]

just use jintsuu aya and she'll die before she gets to do much

[outer stump]

You have a point

But my Ayanami is pretty new in my docks

• I don't have DD retrofit material that much

[zenith tundra]

aya is totally worth imo both good in pvp and pve

[outer stump]

I wasted it for Downes

And Laffey

But downes retro looks so cool

Want for Cassin too

[zenith tundra]

laffy is good

i like her a lot

[outer stump]

Me too

Nice buffer and barrage

But I don't have an strong vanguard to bring Juneau or Eldridge down

I have Takao but idk

She isn't that good

[zenith tundra]

yeah i used to go for main fleet because dmg on vanguard wans't worth it but homing torp makes it easier to kill vanguards

all ca are generally bad for pvp

poor evasion

[outer stump]

I heard that and I know

At the first time I just wondered why Takao dies everytime first in my exercises

Even she had the biggest HP

But well she had low evasion

[slow totem]

Yeah, you can only tank so much damage, better to just evade them

[elder crane]

Effect between eva and HP is multiplicative for effective HP (survivability),
So both eventually have diminishing returns - it's better to have a balance instead of going all-in on one or another.

Javelin is a great example of going too much the other way, her low HP means that despite all the Eva, she's less tanky than the tankier CLs

[slow totem]

Makes sense

[zenith tundra]

that vanguard power is wow

[real notch]

lmao

intended

nice jintsuu tho

[zenith tundra]

mine is only 5 lvl from 100

that formation has no defense tho

1st tried it. the torp dmg was wow but it went down pretty fast to hakaga

[hot creek]

no aurora ResidentSleeper

also washington without sodak omegalul

[zenith tundra]

i wish i had aurora

[real notch]

just married jintsuu

probably another 2 days and i'll have the vanguard in pvp

[zenith tundra]

good choice

if i find a 2 ring pack again i might merry her too

[slow totem]

480 gems each ring

[modern tree]

If only Javelin was any good

[slow totem]

Pretty good deal. 20% discount

I don’t think that’s a serious defense fleet

But just 6 ships he likes as waifus

It just so happens Aya and Jintsuu are in them

[modern tree]

It's a pretty damn high torp power, probably deliberate

[hushed kayak]

Could I use St. Louis in pvp well?

[real notch]

yea sure you can

it's just not great

[hushed kayak]

oof

[modern tree]

Nobody is going to stop you, but she probably won't win you games on her own.

[slow totem]

You can, does it work? That’s another matter

[zenith tundra]

u can use anything in pvp no one stops you

[hushed kayak]

can she work well in a top tier team?

[modern tree]

She's pretty average uss gunboat, Cleveland class does basically everything she does better

[hushed kayak]

damn feels bad

[slow totem]

Well at least

She has boobs right?

[hushed kayak]

indeed

[slow totem]

[hushed kayak]

and a perfect NY skin

[modern tree]

Pazuiri doesn't earn you merits

[hushed kayak]

sadly

[slow totem]

Skins give +150% Motivation power

[modern tree]

But hey, if Warspite can be useful for something, so can Louis, probably

[slow totem]

Who knows, crazy things might happen

[hot creek]

I don't think thats a good comparison

[zenith tundra]

ws is actually good for pvp

[slow totem]

BELLI DURA DESPACITO

[modern tree]

This will be a tiny rant so read at your own discretion. While it's great we get events with only slight delay that can be atributed to translation, I am sort of upset inj are gonna be a meta just because Amagi power creeped ass rolls in before dork or research, leaving hms with nothing going for them and uss with same old boring wasd until Essex makes some noise, but more like a squeak since you can say goodbye to everything once Nagato rolls in to booat both Amagi and Kaga bb

Also Warspite is used only because currently other hms bbs are understated, she's going away really fast with research/dork

Last thing relevant to hms was research btw

[bleak flicker]

Interesting, so IJN new meta is full BB/BC backline?

[elder crane]

? they're not that good is the general thought for now
Most don't think it'll displace Nagato.
And HMS is still a top team in the NAKaga meta on JP/CN...

They only just released, give it time before it starts to show

people don't even know what the barrage looks like yet at slv10

[bleak flicker]

admit is hard not to be impressed by Amagi skillset tho

[modern tree]

I think Amagi with akaga is all you will see for a while on EN

[bleak flicker]

yea that i already assumed myself

that amagi gonna replace hood

[zenith tundra]

amagi is way too soon for en imo. then again nagato broke the meta in jp/cn too

[elder crane]

That's true, but given HMS and USS matches up against NAKaga and most people think Nagato > Amagi for AKaga, I doubt it'll be more than just bandwagoning

[modern tree]

Her barrage does not need to be outstanding, she shoots fast and reduces damage you take

Hms stands out because of dork and monarch and we have neither

[zenith tundra]

amagi barrage is still 45% reduced on 1st strike and boost defense of fleet. rn she look amazing for current en meta

[modern tree]

Even if research hits with the event, which is unlikely, Monarch is gonna be slower to rise than Amagi

[elder crane]

That's true, but i would argue IJN fleets are worse than HMS fleets right now, so it makes sense (sorta) to give them something first

Then again, KMS

[zenith tundra]

i'm not a fan of hms and u can pretty much beat almost anything with hakaga now

[modern tree]

I think inj got way more than enough with Aurora, Jintsuu and magtorps back to back to back

[zenith tundra]

with homing torp and jintsuu the fast dmg output is real

[elder crane]

I still think it's raw winrate is lower than HMS right now

Advantage is the faster battles

[modern tree]

We didn't have time to get and max Jintsuu before Amagi gets announced

Like I said, its a bit ranty, I am peeved

[hushed kayak]

is she confirmed for EN?

[elder crane]

Pretty much

[zenith tundra]

my jintsuu is lvl 96 with 1 skill lvl 9 and 1 lvl 1. i'll get her max before amagi

[real notch]

amagi is speculated to be goodf

but not meta breaking

it's just another decent ship

effectively people are still going with the assumption of nagato foxes

[elder crane]

Does replace Hood in many PvE applications though
But we're in the PvP channel here

[zenith tundra]

u would use amagi over hood for akaga

[modern tree]

She will break en because why wouldn't she, akaga alone was on the verge thanks to Aurora, not to mention Jintsuu

[zenith tundra]

the defense buffs are too good

[real notch]

yea but you would still use nagato

assuming nagato is available

lol

[zenith tundra]

no nagato yet but it's a buff to akaga before the real thing

[elder crane]

WASD without Essex was still top tier in NAKaga meta
I don't see Amagi "destroying" the meta

[real notch]

honestly the real poggers here is her seiyuu

it's fucking miyuki sawashiro

[elder crane]

It will change it, yes, destroy, ehhh, I guess it depends on what you mean by "destroy"

[hushed kayak]

isnt WASDE like number 1 meta rn?

[real notch]

if you ask me i think they still are yea

[elder crane]

For raw winrate, probably

[hushed kayak]

oof

E is for Essex not Enterprise?

[real notch]

twinfox + aurora still isn't stronger than wasde

we don't have essex

[elder crane]

E is for enterprise usually

[real notch]

but with jintsuu it might be a little different

[zenith tundra]

the problem with wasde is that enty can be sniped hard

[hushed kayak]

im working on getting to jintsuu

[zenith tundra]

she can die before her airstrike on defense

[hushed kayak]

i just need a better healer for my team

[elder crane]

If torpfl becomes more common, people will run opening smokes to mitigate

is my prediction

[modern tree]

I got bored of playing wasd after a week of playing wasd and if I have to do that to compete with Amagi then I am the Amagi and you guys figure it out

[real notch]

as evidenced in CN/JP metas

the only counter to desron vanguard

is desron vanguard

[elder crane]

Except people don't all run that?

[modern tree]

Muh hms deserves better

[hushed kayak]

i feel like HMS kinda lost power

[real notch]

well

[hushed kayak]

plus there arent a lot of really good hms frontlines

[zenith tundra]

original hms wont last forever

[real notch]

until level cap and saint louis

[elder crane]

WASDE is such a slog to run though, especially the mirror can be

[hushed kayak]

saint louis is already in EN

[real notch]

no, st louis is in EN

not saint louis

[elder crane]

st louis =/= saint louis

[hushed kayak]

oh right saint louis

[modern tree]

Again, research stuff

[slow totem]

Call them

[hushed kayak]

i keep forgetting there's 2

[slow totem]

French Louis and American Louis

[real notch]

really the only other option aside from desron vangaurds

is YKKZ and juneau

[modern tree]

Honestly hoped for research before a major event

[slow totem]

YKKZ-SAMA NANODA!!

[real notch]

belfast is still used in desron because 300 torp and anti fox

right now in my testings

juneau has a 100% death rate after 1st airstrike

[zenith tundra]

research before lvl 120 wont happen imo

[real notch]

that will only change once juneau gets swapped to a non-tank spot

and even then i think she will have trouble surviving

[zenith tundra]

all pr ships gain a lot from lvl breaks after 100 so no way they'll be here before higher levels

[real notch]

that's why it seems like to me that people will use desron to fight desron

[elder crane]

Well, for defense yes
Also start-of-battle smokes do a decent job of mitigating opening torp damage

[hot creek]

this game becoming more IJN bias by the day. Feels KC man

[real notch]

ye at this point belfast is necessary

it's not even funny

i remember back in the day when belfast was a "niche" pick

[modern tree]

I run Leander Belfast cuz screw rng shit

[real notch]

btw belfast smoke starts at 10 secs iirc

opening torps is at 0sec

[modern tree]

I win way more than I should with it, probably

[elder crane]

Torp FL doesn't make IJN alone though, as evidenced by CN/JP meta

Opening smoke is non-Belfast smokes, to be clear

[real notch]

oh lmao

yea it helps

not sure if that validates leander

the proc chance at 20 is still really unreliable

[elder crane]

If you use them, you use them purely counting on the 0s smoke with all afterwards being RNG benefits
Usually you'd run both that and Belfast vs an opening-torp Akaga team, if you're really worried about the bursts

[real notch]

true, is that a legit thing tho in CN/JP?

[elder crane]

It's a tech choice if the other team really goes into torpedoes, or so I hear

Like Jinstuu-Sendai-Aya or the such

[modern tree]

I think fishnchips might be better than leander but the boost affects Juneau too so eh, why not

[wise summit]

anyone have insight on gold quint vs quad magtorps

[real notch]

magtorps always

[wise summit]

gold quint magtorps vs gold quad magtorps

[modern tree]

I might try Cygnet for a bit after I get her pijamas tho

[real notch]

quads over quints

quints have shitty spread, longer cooldown and slower velocity

and the torps do same dmg as quads

[elder crane]

Quads do more dmg per torp than gold quints, it's the same dmg per torp as the rainbow ones
Oh I though he meant gold quad vs gold quint

[modern tree]

Asterix is that rainbow quints are still worth it for the stat boost

[elder crane]

Rainbow quint is the exact same torp as gold quad magtorps though

[real notch]

yea you always take rainbow quints

[elder crane]

It's like a tiny reload difference but is strictly better otherwise

[modern tree]

Real question would be mag quints vs 533 quints and the answer is latter because dps reasons. Math on quint mags is just eh, even for auto

In pve

But thankfully all you had to do for pvp is open one set of quads or farm them in D1 and clear the exchange shop

[elder crane]

PvP though I think the mags are still better, due to difference in hitrate

and from the faster battle timings as well

[grave gale]

Jintsuu really does refuse to drop for me.

[real notch]

even after i gave u all my power?

[grave gale]

Yup

I'm probably past run 100 by now

[slow totem]

Stay strong, friend.

[real notch]

u can do it

i got mine at like 80 ish

u r not far behind

[modern tree]

If I did it before danger level then anyone can. I took 860 tries for akaga

[grave gale]

If you weren't buying oil nor had it stock piled, you had at best 10 runs a day and if you got yours on christmas. That was day 4

[slow totem]

Some are just lucky like that.

[grave gale]

I'm saying it wouldn't have been close to 80 runs

would've been more like 40-50

[wise summit]

I had oil stockpiled and bought 4 of the 3000 oil packs before I got it

[modern tree]

I got all the oil from event exchange after my stockpile ran out and my fleet was dangerously cheap

[wise summit]

it's a hellish farm, dunno how it is now

with the 20%, should be able to run 2:3 or 2:2 maybe

does it increase damage you deal too

[grave gale]

A lot better. You can run 2:1 and clear most before the BBs wear your flagship down opposed to one main fleet immediately doing that

But running without a DD on the front makes you get ambushed often

[wise summit]

lol damn

[modern tree]

You can probably auto it for 35 atm with wash/hood uni and phoenix with beaver/lunchbox

If you manual it's probably safer tho

I remember getting ambushed roughly once per clear and got 75% chance to dodge it with beaver and gold sg

But I was also using lb2 vestal since no danger level

Top spot never gets shelled, ever

Only suicide boats

[grave gale]

pretty sure all can. Because I've seen all spots take sudden heavy damage when there was a BB up

[zenith tundra]

bb do a lot of dmg

[modern tree]

I ran it for a while with vestal top, she never died, only damage she took was bomb boats

But thats for 3:1

[hot creek]

i believe my uni also took some damage from BB shelling but maybe it was the suicide boats idk

[modern tree]

If you manual you barely take shelling damage cuz airstrikes

Can also ram double boat with phoenix so the other dies to bb aux and back takes only nagato shells since she shoots 3 waves

[grave gale]

Tirpitz at level 10 skill and level 0 danger now hits for 2.6k with her salvos without a crit.

[modern tree]

Manual should be pretty efficient, close to 250 depending on how confident you feel against the boss

Only smiles

[modern tree]

I envy anyone who can farm points at this hour. It would be so easy if it wasn't 4am

[slow totem]

Timezones, maaaan

[odd schooner]

It's 10:57am for SEA

[slow totem]

Gurren is SEA too?

Wew

So many aSEAns here, wunderbar

[odd schooner]

Man why are we getting amagi so early

[slow totem]

Don’t sweat her.

[zenith tundra]

what is the bonus for flagship? u get faster main gun/airstikes

[odd schooner]

Cubes gone from getting aurora

[modern tree]

This reset is whack, by the time I wake up I will be 4 points ahead and all it took was 45 mins of restarts after 3 am

[odd schooner]

[slow totem]

The reset timer is catered to those in the America continent.

[modern tree]

If only I didn't have a job

I could do so much with this power

[odd schooner]

In US, reset is 12am 12pm 4pm

I forgot what tz tho

Daylight

In normal us time it's 11pm 11am 3pm

[modern tree]

Its 9 9 3 in cest so most of Europe

Rather unfortunate

[zenith tundra]

omg just got a 8sec 1st sink

[modern tree]

Night comissions can be run when I work at least

[odd schooner]

[odd schooner]

Quad mag or quint rainbow

[zenith tundra]

i have raibow quint on aya gold quad on jintsu and gold quint on belfast

all homing

[slow totem]

Does that thing happen consistently or once in a blue moon?

[zenith tundra]

they just clashed togheter

[odd schooner]

Idk really. I went quint mag 610 quad mag cause i still need the shotgun

[zenith tundra]

my jintsuu is still not maxed out

lv 1 2nd skill and lvl 96

[edgy kiln]

oh man

almost for another round

yet no one in my list moved up

[slow totem]

[hot creek]

holy cow. I got four +11 matches this reset

never had that happen before

[bright cloud]

That moment when you happy to got matched with 2 top 10 pvp but none of them do their pvp even after refresh

[slow totem]

Oof

They might be asleep, Cyber

[native mantle]

how change the new crimson echo the pvp fleets? amagi looks like a lesser powerfull nagato and BB kaga and ashigara dunno look lesser powerfull

[hot creek]

depends on how good their barrages are

amagi will probably replace hood for Hakaga fleets though

[slow totem]

Hood is a clear replacement

Nagato? Dunno, hard.

[hot creek]

that debuff in insane

gonna be super annoying to go against using current HMS

[native mantle]

so if ya got amagi, she replace hood?

[slow totem]

Yea

[odd schooner]

It's still missing the flagship

Nagato

[bleak flicker]

based on what she looks like, replacing hood in akaga backline

[odd schooner]

Nagato amagi kagabb

I'd still use hood to snipe for now

[slow totem]

Amagi Foxes work too

[odd schooner]

The evasion amagi brings isn't much

[slow totem]

Gurren, use Leander in PvP please

[odd schooner]

I'm using her on pve atm

[slow totem]

PvP too!

[odd schooner]

She's my oxytorp holder

[slow totem]

[knotty river]

amagi or nagato tho

[slow totem]

Why not both?

Nagato, Amagi, BBaga

(CV) Foxes be gone

[foggy token]

cuz triple BB backline with no AA = 🚮

[slow totem]

Meta Comps 24/7 = 💤

[foggy token]

their proc chance aint even good lol

[slow totem]

Like, you are supposed to win with metaslaving comps.

But winning with experimental comps, that’s satisfying

[foggy token]

if u reset hard enough, u can win with any comp lol

[slow totem]

HAAAA!

Theoretically true

Practically almost impossible (with some comps that are just too memey)

[native mantle]

imagine a non HMS neptune fleet xD

[slow totem]

Neptune’s zombie bote, right?

Her skills don’t look like made for PvP-ing

But...

What’s stopping us?

[foggy token]

cn and jp hms fleet do use neptune

neptune belfast juneau frontline

[slow totem]

OwO! Good, she looks amazing aesthetically for me.

[hot creek]

[Headnod]

[slow totem]

[HeadnodIntensifies]

[foggy token]

i need to get my amagi up there to test out effectiveness of her with wasd

she looks a good bote on paper, but im a little pessimistic on her actual performance

[slow totem]

Only one way to really find out

[lone pendant]

juneau lul

[native mantle]

for heal skill^^

[slow totem]

She’s innocent

[white granite]

for hms fleet, is cygnet kai or fortune Kai better?

[native mantle]

fortune kai i would say

[modern tree]

Cygnet might turn out better atm because smoke helps against opening torps

But Fortune is sort of a better boat

[hybrid tendon]

duel of the fates playing in the background

[elder crane]

Ooh I had a battle like that that ended 3 mins later with fighter chip damage since both non-stopp OWARI DA'd

[dusk bridge]

New PvP fleet is ready

[lone pendant]

no

[elder crane]

Huh, interesting pairing of backline with frontline

[outer stump]

What build should I use for Jintsuu?

I mean gear

[modern tree]

155 triple HE, gold quad magtorp, gold aa, toolbox and a wildcard between boiler, torp wall thing, another toolbox pearl, dildo or something like that

gold AA should ideally be bofors or roomba but 105mm is okay and everything else is still gold AA

[outer stump]

Can I use T5 Torp?

Or nvm

I should use them on Ayanami

[modern tree]

yea, totally, if you dont have a boat that gets better mileage out of its stats

but Aya will multiply the 70 torps she gets for just holding those so you probably should stick to that idea

[outer stump]

For some reasons Nowaki has 480 torpedo stats

But her skill isn't that great

[modern tree]

IJN ships generally go way overboard on torps

[dusk bridge]

This is how I gear her for my PvP setup

And here's my aurora and aya gear

[outer stump]

@dusk bridge thanks a lot

Oh I'm the only one who don't that oxy torpedo

Because I was at the start whit the game

[modern tree]

Considering that Jintsuu takes 20% less damage and Aurora doesnt you should probably put pearl on Aurora and give Jintsuu some more HP

[outer stump]

If I have to make a fleet full of CL is worth to put bel, aurora and Jintsuu or replace Bel whit ayanami

[dusk bridge]

Jintsuu dies first

[modern tree]

Strange

[outer stump]

If she is the Flagship sure she does

[modern tree]

does she just get chunked by torps and sinks as soon as main fleets start doing stuff?

[outer stump]

I mean vanguards flagship dies first all the times

[dusk bridge]

I mean auroras skill is more useful so you want her to live the longest

Jintsuu and aya are there for big torpedoes at the start

[outer stump]

But why u don't put the pearl to aurora and if aurora dies Jintsuu gets the hp from the pearl?

[dusk bridge]

Because aurora always dies last

[outer stump]

Put Jintsuu in the middle and aurora front

[dusk bridge]

That's not optimal

You don't want aurora to die before jintauu

[outer stump]

Hmm well Jintsuu evasion is less a bit

[dusk bridge]

You want aurora to live the longest

[outer stump]

And you should use something better than that radar on aurora

[dusk bridge]

Because her skill is broken for PvP

[outer stump]

Like that item is much often used for pve

[dusk bridge]

It's a really good pvp item too

[outer stump]

Put a torpedo bulge

Gives lot hp and 30% damage reduced from toros

Torps

[dusk bridge]

She doesn't really need bulge, but I could use that if I run into trouble with a mirror fleet or something

The radar gives evasion and accuracy which is really nice since she is always the last one alive anyways

[outer stump]

Yeah but that passive is pretty useless in there

And I see u have an powerfull backline

[modern tree]

I think mathematically Aurora gets little benefit from extra evasion because her base evasion is over 75 so if you want her to be more duarable, especially if shes last one to stay alive, Boiler might be a better pick

[outer stump]

I don't think you need that much damage for vandguards

[dusk bridge]

The passive doesn't matter for SG radar

SG is the only item that gives you evasion and hit for frontline

Those 2 stats are key for PvP

[modern tree]

Thats true but does she need this hitrate

[outer stump]

Well it's up to you... But i think there are more options

[dusk bridge]

Accuracy is always a good thing

[modern tree]

Considering her passive and diminishing returns it might end up making very little difference, especially becaue her base ACC is so obscenly high

[dusk bridge]

Yeah there's plenty of options that I can switch to though, but right now that's the gear I'm liking

[outer stump]

What do you think about Jintsuu, Aurora, Belfast as pvp vandguards?

[dusk bridge]

It's not that hard to just swap one item if I'm getting blasted by heavy torps

[outer stump]

Tbh it's exhausting

But what about my question?

[dusk bridge]

I think jintsuu is kinda holding that frontline back a little

If you use jintsuu, you need to go full torpedo damage frontline

Which that combo is not

[outer stump]

Well Ayanami is a bit hard to max

[dusk bridge]

But I'm sure it would work against most fleets

[outer stump]

Like as long as I maxed Laffey first

• I don't have that oxy Torp so I think that might be useless for me

[dusk bridge]

There will be more chances to get more oxy torps

[outer stump]

Well I don't think so

[modern tree]

I dont have the exact Accuracy stat on Aurora lvl 100 but her base luck is 84 so with her lvl 120 ACC being 153, you easily hit over 85% hitrate before the passive kicks in, and you cant have more than 90% hitrate because the game hardcaps it

[outer stump]

Maybe only after 2 years when they will maybe add T5 gear boxes

[modern tree]

FYI

[dusk bridge]

When we get core data shop you can get an oxy torp like every month

Shouldn't be too much farther away

[outer stump]

What is that?

An monthly shop?

[dusk bridge]

Yeah it's a monthly reset hard mode currency shop

[outer stump]

Oh I see

Looks nice

I hate so much that CN and JP servers are light years ahead of EN

[dusk bridge]

JP isn't really that far ahead

[outer stump]

I understand that the game is at the beginning at EN but it's strange

[modern tree]

We get event that just released on other servers 2 weeks after they got it, I think we are not very far behind at all

[dusk bridge]

The gap is closing pretty fast, and we get some of the new events that jp and CN get

[outer stump]

I think that's a pretty decent trade

But we'll it's not enough

I want to have 120 lvl cap too

[modern tree]

I think there is no reason to be greedy

[dusk bridge]

Most people are complaining that EN is moving too fast. But I'm saying we should stack events to catch up faster

[modern tree]

we are getting Amagi way too soon

[outer stump]

Amagi?

[modern tree]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Amagi

[dusk bridge]

Event with BB kaga too

[outer stump]

What a beast

This will change the whole pvp

[modern tree]

10th january

13 days after first release in CN

yes, it will, we are getting shitload of content and really fast

[outer stump]

And I don't understand what is all about BB kaga?

[modern tree]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Crimson_Echoes

[outer stump]

"page under construction"

Is my phone bugged?

[modern tree]

I guess the event page doesnt work on mobile, allow me

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Kaga_(Battleship)

[modern tree]

heh

request desktop site

[outer stump]

They want to hide all from me

[modern tree]

or look at it later I guess

[outer stump]

I think they should take a break whit the new content for like 2 mounths

I want to catch up whit some maxed ships/oil

And some cubes ofc

[modern tree]

thats not what you said 10 minutes ago

[outer stump]

Well I said that I want all servers to be on the line

But not to make any further new content

I mean I won't mind but idk. I wasted a lot of cubes at Neptunia event

[modern tree]

if we are to be in line we are missing at least dork and jean bart events

[outer stump]

Even diamonds

[dusk bridge]

jean bart is broken

[outer stump]

And still didn't got white heart

[zenith tundra]

we miss all the content actually. danger level is the only add to base game we got in august outside on new ships and maps. all the other interesting stuff is nowhere near close to cn/jp

[dusk bridge]

we really arent that far from level cap increase if you ask me

it came with W11 in JP

[modern tree]

we got to play w10 without danger level for like a week

[dusk bridge]

which might come out after the new event

my guess is they release W11 in the middle of the new IJN event

[outer stump]

Can someone just make some fake accounts to follow Azur lane on Twitter for rewards?

[dusk bridge]

with level cap increase shortly after

[modern tree]

I dont want to grind my ships to 120 for pvp right after I get Amagi

[dusk bridge]

or they might give us level cap release with W11

[modern tree]

this is gonna be so bad

[outer stump]

Hold on

If they will increase level

Oil will be increased as wellM

?

[zenith tundra]

what i said is that outside of maps and ships we got nothing no level over 100 no core data shop no research.

[dusk bridge]

well obviously we arent gonna have that right now

its too early in the game for it

[zenith tundra]

half an year in and 1 mechanic added to the game

[dusk bridge]

just like JP and CN did it

do you really think they would add level 120 to the game before W10 came out?

[zenith tundra]

but we got new released ships and events

[dusk bridge]

also oil cost doesnt increase after 100 if i remember correctly

[outer stump]

I think they will add lvl 120 when they will release chapter 11

[zenith tundra]

let me explain it simple new mechanic won't make them any money just gacha and skin will

[dusk bridge]

thats how the other servers did it

[zenith tundra]

so we will get as much as possible of gacha before interesting stuff

[dusk bridge]

let me explain it to you, since the content thats currently out right now doesnt call for level cap increase they arent gonna do it

[zenith tundra]

no core data too

[dusk bridge]

also some PR ships we wouldnt even be able to unlock right now because we dont have enough normal ships released yet

[outer stump]

But how u gain those money for core data?

[zenith tundra]

clearing hards

[dusk bridge]

core data isnt gonna come out until they rework hard mode to 3 attacks per day

[modern tree]

event shop has mental units in it so if we dont get level cap break then they would have to come up with something clever

[outer stump]

@dusk bridge PR ships?

[dusk bridge]

which shouldnt be that far away

[modern tree]

you can make your own judgement on wether they will

[dusk bridge]

PR ships

super long grind

[outer stump]

Is she UR?

[zenith tundra]

w10 just came out so imo before february we wont get anything new as mechanics so 1 more month of nothing but gapcha

[dusk bridge]

W11 will come soon with level cap increase im sure

probably right after the next event if not in the middle of it

[zenith tundra]

no way before event after crimson

[outer stump]

We will see at the maintenance announcement

[dusk bridge]

@outer stump theyre all SR ships

but you unlock them by grinding requirements

[outer stump]

Oh

[dusk bridge]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Research#Monarch

[outer stump]

Is there an UR in any game server?

[dusk bridge]

sandy retrofit

in JP and CN

[outer stump]

I wonder if Bismarck will come someday

[dusk bridge]

but PR ships are cool because you dont LB them with bulins or combining, they can level all the way to 120 at 3 star rarity if you wanted to

but the starting oil cost for them is pretty high to balance it out

[outer stump]

Oh

Are Washington and South Dakota counters for the foxes?

I mean most of the times Im about to lose against them

[dusk bridge]

they work well against foxes without nagato

with nagato foxes will win unless everyone is level 120

[outer stump]

Or if they bring Juneau

[dusk bridge]

at 120 was/sodak team wins

[outer stump]

Seriously they should add an ammo type which gives grievous wounds

I mean reduces healing

But idk how useful it should be

[dusk bridge]

yeah i mean i would still rather have burn damage

i think you underestimate how much burn damage happens in a PvP fight

[idle python]

I'm not that big of a fan of wasd on cn/jp

[zenith tundra]

maybe for pve. no healing in pvp outside of toolbox

[outer stump]

Not really

[idle python]

from my experience you're still banking on killing/(or almost killing) nakaga on the 2nd round of bb/airstrikes

[dusk bridge]

im still having success with wasd on JP against maxed nagato/fox teams

[idle python]

but hms can also do it but faster

[dusk bridge]

idk how much amagi will change the meta for PvP though

[idle python]

keep in mind when I mean nakaga I specifically mean stuff with aurora and/or sendai

[zenith tundra]

u should win on offense because of 20% dmg buff... can't really compare comp with a huge advantage

[dusk bridge]

yeah of course

[idle python]

the other nakaga fleets are pretty easily handled unless you get torp rng'd

[dusk bridge]

zack even with 20% damage buff on attack, nakaga would dominate on defense before wasd came out

it pretty much forced you to mirror match against it

[idle python]

I personally think hms is best on cn/jp

but it also requires the most investment

[zenith tundra]

so nakaga better than anything?

[dusk bridge]

i mean HMS is pretty meh on EN right now

[idle python]

at leat on offense

yeah hms is meh for en

you need pr monarch

[dusk bridge]

when we get monarch maybe it will be better

[modern tree]

HMS being meh on EN is a hot take you will have to elaborate on

[dusk bridge]

i just think that by the time people are gonna have maxed monarch, HMS wont be the best on EN

HMS was good when there wasnt other options on EN, but now that we have wasd it kinda sucks

wasd is the obvious best PvP team on EN right now

[modern tree]

It slays wasd pretty decisively tho, yea on defense you loser the damage and position advantage but why would you care about how well your defense fleet is doing

[dusk bridge]

have you been fighting maxed wasd teams?

[modern tree]

a lot yes

[dusk bridge]

because ive tested it against maxed teams and it doesnt do well

[zenith tundra]

that is why i don't get why wasd is good because it takes ages to do the job

[modern tree]

HMS slays wasd e and wasd hood with one ship swap for each

you either play eldridge or fortune

and you win

[hot creek]

anyone shitting on HMS in EN meta haven't actually used HMS lul.

[dusk bridge]

i have a maxed HMS team that i used before wasd came out

[zenith tundra]

i think u need full +10 equip to make it work because my hms main is full skills and i don't like it at all

[dusk bridge]

HMS doesnt beat maxed wasd teams truse me

[modern tree]

okay

[dusk bridge]

ive done serious testing against other people with maxed fleets and wasd defense wins the majority of the time

[zenith tundra]

hms can snipe down 1 ship that's about it in a nutshell

[modern tree]

but why would I trust you if I can just go play my HMS

[hot creek]

I too have maxed HMS and I use it exclusively for pvp. I probably have to reset like 1/20 times?

[dusk bridge]

not a lot of people have optimal/maxed wasd fleets

so yeah your HMS fleets might do just fine against the majority of people

but once you fight a top geared/optimized fleet youre gonna lost more than win against that team

[modern tree]

thats not true at all

[dusk bridge]

you can ask @real notch and he will tell you the same thing

[idle python]

not saying that torp front is the most optimal for wasd but you're definitely going to be resetting more than 1/20 times from opening torps

[hot creek]

sirreq probably doesn't even have an HMS comp.

[zenith tundra]

u can have torp on any formation.

[modern tree]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/526058898277531698/Screenshot_20181222-162920.png

[dusk bridge]

thats definitely inflated backline numbers with suboptimal gear

[hot creek]

everyone is going to be resetting a lot more with jintsuu and aurora now regardless of backline

[modern tree]

would you say this is maxed? I beat this with 80% winrate using garbage frontline made of Javelin Cygnet and Fortune

[elder crane]

LOL that's mostly 12% oath, no?

[zenith tundra]

with a torp com juneau dies before she even heals 20%. enty can be snipped down by hood...

[dusk bridge]

13266 is maxed with 200 oath on enty wasd

[elder crane]

Max gold gear is closer to 14k

[dusk bridge]

with BiS gear

gold gear does not equal BiS

[elder crane]

Yes, but it's clearly not max gold gear

[modern tree]

okay so he uses 2 catas instead of one

big deal

[dusk bridge]

or BtD instead of helldiver

which is a huge deal

[elder crane]

possibly just a few suboptimal choices, we would need more info to know

[modern tree]

I beat it with 3 destroyers with no gear or maxed skills

8/10 attempts

[dusk bridge]

that person also uses a pretty weak frontline

[modern tree]

just hms backline doing hms backline thing

[dusk bridge]

ive never been a fan of helena for PvP

[elder crane]

It works perfectly fine

maybe not the most optimal (though this is probably debatable), but is defintely not a super suboptimal choice

[zenith tundra]

it's till helena enty combo... wasd e is based on enty damage to win

[modern tree]

you can keep picking at this picture but finding more "maxed" fleets in pvp is rather tough and I didnt even need to play very seriously to topple it with just my HMS backline with whatever in front of it

[hot creek]

helena enty on defense is the only chance wasd can win against HMS, also jintsuu aurora but nobody has those maxed yet

[modern tree]

and you can just play Eldridge if you really want to win

HMS smashes this team

I struggle against wasd hood with fortune a lil more because they pressure backline really hard and between aegis and flank defense you end up trading damage poorly

Enteprise is no contesy tho, you use one boat and win

dont even need to do that, as long as you survive one lucky e without getting your front totally wiped you are golden

been using Edinburgh/Juneau Leander Belfast for frontline for a while now because smoke helps against the rise of a torp meme and aside for very unfortunate cases of focused assault radar scan lucky e wash barrage clowny rng stuff you win surprisingly reliably

[modern tree]

but if you want a bottom line, EN doesnt have enough power to really stand up against the attacker without relying on heavy RNG atm so any competent main fleet with Juneau Eldridge Belfast in front of it as an attacker will probably just win because of health advantage on top of damage advantage for being an attacker, Id test that to back it up with statistic but I dont have sufficently maxed fleet in my pvp pool atm to go against, maybe later

[glossy jay]

What are you idiots doing

[modern tree]

Using this chat for its intended purpose

[coral wren]

are akaga + hood fleets any good atm, or is wasd still better?

[quartz perch]

are full CA vanguard + lex+sara really a good thing for pvp?

[modern tree]

Hood Akaga can work if you have aurora and hit enough torps, it's a bit random

CAs generally struggle to stay alive or damage anything because lack of evasion and guns with shallow fiering angles and long lock-on times. 3 CAs might work, but "good" is probly stretching it too far before we get lvl 120 and better guns to shoose from

and actual evasion auxiliaries

but hey, backed by 4 helldivers and constant barrages it deals enough damage, problem is the airstrikes from Sara and Lex will come rather late due to those helldivers so you might not have any CAs left by the time the bombs drop

[elder crane]

I ran HAKaga+Aya/Poi/Juneau last season, and am doing so this season too with jinstuu instead of Juneau.
(I've ran WASDE/WASDHood ever since FW before that, and HMS before FW)
The team winrate is pretty bad compared to WASD, vs the top teams your winrate is maybe 50% at best, probably closer to 30% (might get better with maxed jintsuu, and as I get more magtorps at +10).
(If you do the fast resetting option I suggest, your "winrate" will be even lower, as you give up on some miracle wins)

However, what makes this team is how fast the matches are decided.

5 s in, without some torpedo connections, you can reset. 20 s in without a decent AKaga strike and Hood activation, you can reset, unless your initial torp volley was really good. Matches are almost always complete in well under a minute. Overall, your time taken per win against the top teams probably isn't actually any longer than WASDE or HMS.
And, vs not top teams, matches are over within 30 s at most, and 15 s often.

Overall, I find it a better team for fast climbing, though somewhat more tedious to use.

[hybrid tendon]

🤔

I havent been following the meta very closely

running akaga + enty which is 3 CV and still able to beat most opponents without much resetting

it all came down to luck in the end

opponent running aurora jintsuu ayanami? cool

they get vaporized in the first akaga airstrike

[modern tree]

Enterprise being capable of beating anyone with luck seems like something that doesn't really need to be stated

[coral wren]

I wonder how strong this person’s fleet is,

[lofty smelt]

Saw Ayaya and Aurora oathed first and thought it was me for a second

[coral wren]

No Jintsuu?

[lofty smelt]

I have her, just didn't notice anything else but the two on the right

She's not all that ready for PvP yet. Level 96 oof

Clears fine still I guess

[elder crane]

I wonder if the 12345 main fleet power is intentional

Pretty sure standard loadout on that team is higher power when oathed, even if not at 200 aff

[lofty smelt]

Might have bad gear idk

[elder crane]

It just seems oddly specific, and is something I personally might leave as-is cause it's funny

[slow totem]

I fought a fleet exactly like that moments ago, their frontline dies upon the first round of BB shelling.

[glossy jay]

Tfw his Enterprise failed to proceed at all and turned out to be paper tiger

[slow totem]

Which makes sense.

Yeah, apparently torp meme vanguard is bad on Defense

No defense against anything, not bb shelling, not lucky E, not Foxes.

[glossy jay]

It became the one out of fifty where my Dakota actually got mvp

[slow totem]

She procs Koko Made Da 2x repeatedly? :D

[glossy jay]

Maybe

Usually she does like 5k dmg because of whiffs

[slow totem]

That’s definitely Koko Made Da. >:D

[wise summit]

koko krunch

[lunar veldt]

yeah just like in the other servers

the most reliable fleet that can get u far without reseting is akaga

[lofty smelt]

I mostly don't care about defense, so still putting on torpedo meme squad

[slow totem]

My ‘defense’ fleet is Santa Fleet atm

Maybe will switch to Kimono Fleet when the skins come.

[hot creek]

@modern tree https://puu.sh/Cp7Bx/3549e3ea9d.png daxam senpai

[wise summit]

seems like there's new ships to raise even before the last set is finished training

but I can't not play amkaga

bury me in foxes

[nova storm]

Welp, I forgot to play PVP even though I was literally Awake for 6 Hours. Rip my 4 Matches (Time to just yolo matches)

[native mantle]

@hot creek wait leander is a thing too? i dunno need to use fortune?

[hot creek]

You should be raising a leander for pve content anyways, she's a solid girl 👌

HMS vanguard is rather flexible. depends on the matchup of course.

but for defense it doesnt matter what you put out, you're not gonna stop anyone from winning lol

[wise summit]

you can stop new players

[slow totem]

New players aren’t supposed to reach top 100 anyway.

Can’t even defeat Enty - Eldridge 1:1.

[ionic magnet]

so how do i maximize getting pts in pvp

do 1 match then wait an hour or so?

been having a tough time maintaining top 500

or is it simply "get good"? im still at 11k/11k

[slow totem]

You wait till someone reaches a wide rank gap from you then attack that person.

But be careful not to over do it and get wasted surplus matches.

[ionic magnet]

sometimes when i wait for a long time their rank goes lower instead

thats normal?

[slow totem]

Yes.

Cause yours get lower too

[native mantle]

and what if its nbot happening and I'm full capped and the reset gets closer?

[slow totem]

Blow 5 matches

Better than wasting them and get 0 points

[ionic magnet]

i see. so kinda have to get the right timing and a lot of luck

[slow totem]

Yeah, that’s why I don’t bother LOL

and I still get Gensui (highest rank with a minimum score of 2200 and top 10 placement) without this hassle.

[odd schooner]

The high risk high reward for jintsuu aurora and ayaya is nice

[azure aurora]

Still no aurora

So i use Belfast, ayaya and jintsuu

Hakaga team ofc

[native mantle]

its belfast, juneau and leander(cause i can't endure that fortune face) with a HMS backline

*for me

[azure aurora]

Battleship team better with juneau than ayaya

[nova storm]

QE,Hood, Enterprise/Illus - Bel,Leander,Fortune. (Illustrious when I get pissed at Eldridge)

[native mantle]

aye i use hood/enty/QE atm as hms backliner

just need to level my setup

they are just to weak^^

current attack team

[azure aurora]

Unicorn ?

[nova storm]

He wants them sustain and reload 😃

[native mantle]

no realy much options

[azure aurora]

Qe, hood enty better

Yes deff team

[native mantle]

enty carried the team mostly

[modern tree]

Leander is really good because opening smoke is just straigh 40% evasion vs torps

And I like a chamce to burst Eldridge or Juneau before 15 seconds tick

That said, how embarrassing, my Warspite still had pve gear on for the night

[azure aurora]

Another hms

[modern tree]

HMS, yes

[inland tiger]

Can anyone recommend an attack fleet for me?

[sturdy zephyr]

a typpical meta fleet maybe

wash, enty, soda

eld, maybe ayaya, and helena

[modern tree]

Play the lvl 100 ships you have leveled deliberately to use in pvp like South Dakota

[inland tiger]

And how am i still stuck at 3k5 ish..

[modern tree]

If you are not losing games or attacking opponents that arent all the way to the left, then you are missing games when the resets happen. I don't think there are other reason possible.

[inland tiger]

I always attacking peep all the way to the left

But losing some actually bring you that far down?

[wise summit]

if you're at 3.5k rank that's not just losing a few

you must be missing resets

[modern tree]

Losing brings you down a fair bit and is entirely avoidable by quitting the match before all your ships sink

[inland tiger]

I see

Tysm

[odd schooner]

[crimson widget]

TBH I find the quiting mechanic/exploit annoying

[slow totem]

Alas, it’s a Ghost vs Ghost Auto battle.

[crimson widget]

I think once you press Battle, you should use one exercise

[slow totem]

Had PvP been a real matchmaking, you can’t restart.

That’d be sucky if a disconnect happen in the middle due to the limited attempts.

[crimson widget]

Cause I throw myself into battles I "might" win if I get good skills proccs and enemy don't

[slow totem]

Imo attempts should be unlimited and real matchmaking instead of ghost vs ghost.

So you won’t care if you lose, more fun, more engaging, and actually PvP

[crimson widget]

Yup

[slow totem]

One can dream.

[crimson widget]

And remove skills and levels. BOOM rng jesus 😄

[slow totem]

-Normal Mode
-No item/Gear effect Mode

[crimson widget]

Anyway jut got done with my 10matches so

[azure aurora]

Leveling ship with akaga better than wasd

[modern tree]

Pvp being possible to reset is what makes it playable and enjoyable for more than 1% of the people. Those that can shell out dollars for oaths and have time to grind optimal shit would just play with each other and cross their fingers for rng effects to not ruin them with everyone else not even bothering to compete because how could they

[azure aurora]

You can 100% win with reset and +20% buff
That make al pvp good

Or player vs ai

Without that, oathed ship and rng + connection can screw you

[modern tree]

Making a system that doesn't instantly discourage new or less invested players while fostering more competitive approach would probably take a lot of investment and people smarter than I am

[slow totem]

Aside from Oath stat bonus being overhyped (cause they only buff base stats, excluding gear, by 6%), yeah, that’s why I propose the No Item/Gear effect Mode, which is a thing in other PvP-based games (e,g: Gunbound).

So it’s only Ship levels, skill levels, player skill, and good ol’ rng of skill activation.

[nova storm]

More like good-ol salt mines of the best RNG skilled players in the world 😃

[slow totem]

Hahahahaha! Lucky Bastards will win, that applies to any game, even DnD looool!

[native mantle]

@slow totem could ya imagine if ya could use 3x enty as main fleet and all procc lucky e?^^

[slow totem]

But the enemy has 3 Essex and no sells the Lucky Es to 1 damage.

[native mantle]

then 3xhood?^^

[nova storm]

I'd Imagine like Hood, Enterprise and Jean Bart with frontline of Sheffield, Yukikaze, and Eldridge..

[modern tree]

You also have to mind that this game doesn't have a netcode, everything is resolved and stored locally and just communicates with the server sometimes which might be another problem with creating a more complex system

[slow totem]

Yeah, but one can dream/theorize.

Putting a more robust PvP system would require a complete overhaul.

Not sure if worth to them.

[native mantle]

or imagine the horror of.......3xsandy

[slow totem]

3x Sandy Retro will pop all of 3x Lucky E’s planes.

[native mantle]

and alter when bismarck is released ya got 3x bismarck as enemy...just leave xD

*later

[slow totem]

Nah, 3x Jean Bart will kill them.

[modern tree]

I think they care a little about the exercise, but not enough to forget this game is still a harem anime power trip so it should probably not deprive you of this feeling

[nova storm]

3x Jean Bart, Trying to Kill 3x Yukikaze 😃

[slow totem]

Baguettes vs Furries

[nova storm]

Are you prepared for the 3x 25% to reduce damage taken to 1

[slow totem]

Nanodie

[native mantle]

later 3xnagato+3xyuki?^^

[slow totem]

Oddly enough, 3x Nagato won’t actually be amazing.

Since she needs flagship spot for her buff

So only 1 Nagato will buff the others.

[native mantle]

hmm nagato+2xamagi?^^

[slow totem]

That breaks the 3x Same ship theme boo

[nova storm]

3x Hiryuu Kai and 3x Yukikaze

[wise summit]

will 3x queen E buff herself 3 times

[native mantle]

she should but IIRC she is just a stat stick cause she is realy weak by herself

[wise summit]

I wonder if akagaga will be played or just amagakaga

[foggy token]

wdf is akagaga

[wise summit]

akagi kaga kaga, with lady gaga

the idea of running two kagas is really funny

[lunar veldt]

amakaga*

amakaga is way better then akagaga

9% debuff

2nd skill reduce fire dmg and increase ev

have fun running owarida into a amagi with belfast smoke

plus most players here do not have an aurora

[wise summit]

If by here you mean this channel I think most of us do

But in general probably not

[lunar veldt]

imo theres no point running Bkaga when amagi provides more

[wise summit]

Was hoping someone would have insight on the relative power of their barrages but yes it does look like amagi would be better generally

Depends on how strong that guaranteed 10s torpedo barrage

[lunar veldt]

👀 their barrages can be found on CN wiki

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/加贺BB

Bkaga

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/天城

amagi

[native mantle]

yamashiro+bbaga+amagi should work too

[modern tree]

If you are meming then why not Hyuuga instead of yamacat

[native mantle]

it was not meaned as a meme. just thought it was a good backline. so that 3xBB backline wouldn't be good?

[lunar veldt]

not really that good

[native mantle]

so amagi+bbaga+something other?

[lunar veldt]

purely ijn?

if u want bbs and pure ijn backline

synergy wise

Hyuuga

dont care about anything u ran them with washington

[modern tree]

It's probably serviceable just because barrage bbs are really good in pvp. I would still always run Hyuuga or another barrage boat over Yamacat tho. She is a good boat but simply doesn't bring enough stats in comparison to others abd low cost is not really a benefit for exercise

[lunar veldt]

heh budget Mikasa/Nagato

i guess Manjuu is holding back Nagato update

cuz that will totally shift the meta

and nakaga fleet shits on most fleet comps in pvp

sub 15 secs airstrike on the other servers

basically nagato is a QE that has a nice barrage

[vague token]

better though, damage boosts are better than aviation boosts

[lunar veldt]

wont be suprise to see many people changing their fleet to nakaga once she hits the EN server

http://azurlane.wikiru.jp/attach2/C4B9CCE7_42494720534556454E2DBAF92E676966.gif

[modern tree]

Can't wait to get Amagi then Nagato before Monarch or Dork and just send my whole hms fleet to the farm

[native mantle]

....allllright

[modern tree]

Poor Suffolk hit like 4 shots whole game

[native mantle]

she was just there for one level for retro until i send her on that 18k xp commission

[modern tree]

Is it known how bunny retrofit skills look like yet? Just realized those are a thing now too so we all migh as well get used to seeing nothing but one of 3 Japanese backline flavours

[modern tree]

Chinese wiki says that Hiryuu launches random number of torp bombers and Souryuu launches random number of dive bombers with rng dependent power. Every 10 seconds from the start of the game, couple of planes every time. I guess it is not that big

Yeah, an early strike is probably more effective than just random planes, especially because the power of it seems to be rather low on average

But final gambit alone will make people run this duo on defense

I know I will

[hot creek]

fuck. im regretting not raising my foxes properly. They're lvl 99 right now from sitting in dorm all day with < 55 affection each. Affection farming is now out of the question as it would be expensive as fuck so I'd have to leave them as secretary which would take ~180 hours each and would only get them to 90 affection.

[modern tree]

I am purposefully running akaga as my boss kill in pve for weeks, to get through their oaths without wasting roo much time. Hoovering at 170 now, pretty happy about that.

[slow totem]

Don’t worry about Affection effect too much

Ship Level, Enhancements, Proper Gear, Good Skill levels > Affection boost

Affection is just icing on the cake, they’ll come in due time

[modern tree]

I am not, I sort of did it just because I like the hooded cult aesthetic of nagkaga

Stats are a bonus

[slow totem]

Talking to Phoenix, Dax. XD

[modern tree]

Fair

[slow totem]

Guess should’ve tagged him, sorry for misunderstanding.

[hot creek]

man, I just have like...no use for carriers at all in pve.

unless your name is enterprise

[slow totem]

This game is ironic because of that

Carriers should’ve replaced the BBs circa WW2 cause Air Dominance >> Big Gunz

It’s the other way around in this game as you progress through the content lol

[modern tree]

I have been farming lots of w8 for Aurora and Jintsuu exp, akaga slays bosses there rather quick with nothing in the vanguard

[real notch]

oathing your foxes is probably one of the most valuable ships to oath tbh

especially in mirror matchups

because whoever launches marginally sooner wins the fight

[hot creek]

well, you could also use BTDs in the mirror, lol

[real notch]

yea but u gimp ur vanguard wiping efficiency

[modern tree]

You can also just wait for lvl 120 and farm affection then, can't be too far off

[real notch]

it's possible tho

[hot creek]

doesnt matter at 120 nakaga anyways

whoever launches faster wins

[real notch]

if u wanna do 36% less theoretical dmg

[hot creek]

i will probably wait til cap increased to farm affection yeah

but i don't really wanna ring them because it would purely be for stats

I don't particularly like the foxes

[real notch]

yea i'm not a big fan of the yandere

but small tsundere kaga tho

[modern tree]

Started playing for Kaga

[hot creek]

I've opted to powerlevel my jintsuu/aurora at 5-4 atm. It's fast af but im missing out on plates and not exactly efficient.

well, i just needed Jintsuu to 90 to i can start on her skill asap since ive already maxed the first one

so ill probably start trying w6

[modern tree]

I farmed both Inazuma and Ikazuichi with just those 2 backed by a bb because lawl danger level

Time for Maya

You can do really greedy things for exp now

I could probably do it with just monitors, but 200 on Warspite won't farm itself

[hot creek]

damn, your warspite isn't 200 yet? lol

[modern tree]

My fleet is 13001 with Warspite at 180ish yea

[hot creek]

my HMS has been 200 affection since 7-2 farm.

[modern tree]

I love Warspite but I play too much to use her over common or rare bbs when I am trying to do something specific

Getting to 200 is a lot of oil

If you are just a cl gun bb with barely a skill

[hot creek]

yeah but if you're farming 1:1 anyways and she's getting MVP like 90% of the time its barely a difference

[modern tree]

14 oil vs 8 is pretty big in a clear fleet tbh

[hot creek]

I guess if you're using 0LB ships instead sure

I don't. I might consider it now with danger levels

[modern tree]

I do mean it when I say I play a lot

[real notch]

i believe my jintsuu was 6-1 ready

by level 70

or high 60s

[hot creek]

fuckin hell. I just retrofitted Jintsuu and forgot how annoying that stupid (Retrofit) part of the name is. I guess she's getting a ring now to remove that shit.

[elder crane]

Ah, I see you're of the same mind as I

Ring to get rid of that shitty (Variant)

[vague token]

so with these new ships coming up, any notable skills on the non-SSRs?

[modern tree]

One of the dds has Jintsuu reload and torp boost on her with a different name which may stack maybe who knows, could get funny

It's a CL actually, Naka

15% boost instead of 20%

[unkempt swallow]

Whats the most competitive pvp team I can make?

(Last time i took pvp seriously was about 2.5 months ago)

[hot creek]

check pins

looks like you have access to wasd so there you go

[coral wren]

WasdE + eldridge, aya, and bel(?)

[unkempt swallow]

Should i Use hood or enty as the third one?

Greater reloads or nuking

[coral wren]

Owari da

[unkempt swallow]

Also are foxes no longer viable compared to WashiD?

[hot creek]

I haven't played wasd so I can't say much about it but IIRC people say Hood is better against fox matchup but you can't go wrong with Enty either.

[modern tree]

Enterprise for that true wild west feeling

[native mantle]

it would be great if ya had a USS flagship that buffs uss ships^^ OWARI DA

[elder crane]

Essex buffs USS (not in EN yet)

Foxes are pretty bad on defense right now on EN, any high level WASD-type fleet should almost always win as offense
Just not enough initial burst to take down your fleet usually, but your return volley usually cripples them
Mostly holds true for foxes mirror too, your first wave often cripples them but theirs doesn't usually do that to you.

[slow totem]

@native mantle That’d be Essex

searchal Essex

[hidden wyvern]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&search=Essex

[slow totem]

Great (mature) name too

[real notch]

surprising

my jintsuu gets MVP against a maxed 13.2k/12.7k wasde fleet

it's happened twice now

i should start reset testing

[modern tree]

My Belfast often takes mvp from Warspite if enough torps hit

[wise summit]

i've had rounds where aya takes mvp from akaga E backline

demon dance is a hell of a drug

[grave gale]

I FINALLY got Jintsuu after 150+ runs.

[hot creek]

gratz. thats gotta feel like a big weight's been lifted.

[grave gale]

A huge weight. I was worried I wouldn't get her before the next event started

[pastel forge]

grats. out of curiosity, what did you use for mob fleet after danger lvl? @grave gale

[grave gale]

Tirpitz, Shouhou, Minne, lb0 Cassin and Downes. Cassin and Downes would die after a few fights but they lived long enough to stop an ambush or two.

Still risky to take on multiple main fleets with that set up and doing a three triangle with 0 ammo was out of the question

I was trying my best to minimize oil cost to squeeze in more runs per day