HMS is only annoying to fight because warspite are hood are gonna kill what they're focusing on
#pvp
grave gale
real notch
have to say, if he was on offense he'd get the win condition way more often
a lot of the times my juneau wouldn't die in time to save ent
real notch
ye i can't wait to swap in aurora 
abstract cypress
bbs are unreliable to begin with
too much rng on each shot
real notch
however now with magtorps
juneau gets chipped way harder
than before
so she dies easier
abstract cypress
real notch
nani
no way
2 secs?
u can get that with 5x UFO
btw who did u confirm it with just to cite my own references
foggy token
koto
real notch
who dat
foggy token
hes from AL community server
grave gale
The rng AA damage value is seriously between 5 and 100%?
real notch
then, i'll test against reppuu x hellcat fleets
to doublecheck for reppuus that cause AA circle to prefire
grave gale
That would mean even with the most optimal of optimal set ups, if you get an unlucky rng AA roll, your damage will be shit
slow totem
Skins provide actual gameplay advantages!!
grave gale
paper plane: -50 HP, + 5% damage.
Nah. If skins provided stats then you would no longer be able to use whatever you wanted
unless you forgo bis
cosmic stratus
/leave pvp
strange moatBOT
Cannot read property 'has' of undefined
Please.
dull hollow
jintsuu gonna make pvp a bit weird for a while 
using torp attackers is bad in pvp but u have nothing better to use besides belfast junny 
sour phoenix
You're right it will be weird
real notch
what do you guys think about rainbow dildo on aurora
btw @foggy token why cant we try for firing 3 times with aa circle?
hollow dawn
abstract cypress
u dont want jintsuu not kai on pvp 
odd schooner
Did kurisu surrender or asserting dominance 
real notch
i normally just assert dominance
slow totem
I do that usually before I sleep, better rush than letting attempts go to waste
wise summit
@abstract cypress are you sandbagging today or playing huhu
wise summit
oh is there a second maisora on lex & discord
slow totem
Damn...
abstract cypress
me and only me, im fahmous 
slow totem
abstract cypress
ofc, i miss it daily
odd schooner
@slow totem he's usually top 10 every season
livid fractal
@odd schooner lmao, I wasn't pushing that time, was sleeping
high flume
Yo, what's the best auxiliary equipments for Vanguards?
been using autoloader the whole time lol
wise summit
generally repair kit +10
have at least one pearl
well, you can only have one, but you know what I mean
if you have a torp CL with a high torpedo efficiency you can put rainbow torp on it if you have that
grave gale
torp bulges on CL
wise summit
and a bulge on your front yea
grave gale
or else you're gonna get murdered with the magnetic torps
abstract cypress
searchal pearl+tears
hidden wyvernBOT
high flume
@grave gale Is bulge worth against comp with only 1/2 DD? Prettsy sure bulge won't help against Aircraft Torpedoes
abstract cypress
some CL&CA also have torp
high flume
and how do you get Pearl Tears? its wiki page doesn't contain any information about the drop location
wise summit
it doesn't drop, it's from collection
still kestrel
from collections, you need to get the ships in the pearl's tears collection to a combined total of 13 stars
high flume
@wise summit @still kestrel Ah..just checked the collection quests. Danke!
gaunt fiber
hood > enterprise?
someone said i should try hood + akaga but i mean look at these numbers 
wise summit
someone should have told you to remove the wichita from your frontline
gaunt fiber
that's just temporary, i don't really have better ships
high flume
Uhh...pretty sure hood only shines on Royal Navy comp
gaunt fiber
also i'm leveling her so free xp 
high flume
Enty still superior on Akagaprise
grave gale
Enty isn't. 3 CV backline is fragile
and completely helpeless if the vanguard reaches you
high flume
@grave gale Was meta a few months ago though
grave gale
Hood and Akaga was the best composition
livid fractal
Try that vs against wasd ent and Akaga/Enty will struggle
Hood/Akaga is much better
gaunt fiber
👌
abstract cypress
cuz E on defense fleet cuckblocked ur E
thus hood is preferable
then again if enemy use hakaga, using E is great
just dont put her in front of hood
livid fractal
Also why your Enty did more damage is because she's maxed out, while akaga isn't, and probably you fought against Belfast vanguard
dull hollow
mvp in pvp means very little in general
san diego will get mvp a lot
from AA damage a lone
ur gonna end up with some troll battles where prinz gets mvp
go make a reddit thread about it 
bleak flicker
ima bit confused, ive read lots of different argumentations. Is there any consensu what is best on Backlines in terms of AA? Because AriPanda guide states its Roomba (as long as staag is not out) for PvP, though im not sure if understood the reasoning fully.
seems to get the 2x shoots off is not an issue, if i´ve seen correctly that the cut off in avg. rate of fire is somewhere near 2s?
opaque lodge
Is SoDak worth it for PvP? She seems to under-perform a lot, at least compared to wash/NoCal
azure aurora
Very worth. Need good hit+ aux
opaque lodge
Also, in case i keep those 2, keep Hood or swap to NoCal for full air coverage? Any changes on frontliners?
odd schooner
She's good. You just have to modify aux and mainguns for all of your backline
coral wren
washington?
opaque lodge
All of them use 406 right? Hood has 410
coral wren
Is there any temporal solution to nakaga question before we get jb/essex?
coral wren
hm, nc actually looks interesting now that you reminded
native mantle
nc?
opaque lodge
North carolina
sick jasper
So whats the best formation to use in pvp
odd schooner
No one likes wasd hood?
Lmao
Then shift to wasd monarch
@sick jasper there isn't
You'll have to rotate
But best investment is hms
spiral hull
@sick jasper
There are a few comps, you're new right? So I assume you don't have Fallen Wings ships.
There's ships like Enterprise and Hood which can fit in various teams, and then there are some comps like "Akaga" (Akagi + Kaga; farmable SR ships), "HMS" (British team), etc.
sick jasper
I played for 4 weeks i think
spiral hull
do you have washington?
spiral hull
she's a limited ship in construction when Fallen Wings event is going on
sick jasper
I only played that last event with the black green white ships
And now this german event
spiral hull
there's still HMS, Akaga, random stuff you can put together to make functional team, etc.
coral wren
roll for aurora and juno
sick jasper
I got juno i think
spiral hull
that works, i prefer hood over enty with akaga since she provides better synergy
juno is bad, you need juneau
coral wren
ye
sick jasper
Where u get her?
spiral hull
helena is not ideal to use in akaga teams, her debuff does not synch with the foxes' airstrikes
sick jasper
I can show u my ships and u can pick the best formation
spiral hull
some worlds drop juneau and also in light construction
coral wren
aurora is strictly in light construction
spiral hull
good vanguard options currently are juneau, belfast, helena (not for akaga), fortune kai, eldridge (might drop in value soon), aurora
cleveland and other gunCLs can be decent fillers
laffey kai can be a decent filler
aya kai too
sick jasper
I have cleveland
modest scarab
Eldrige drop in value?
sick jasper
I got queen elizabeth yesterday shes anygood?
coral wren
I got queen elizabeth yesterday shes anygood?
core for hms setup
sick jasper
whats a hms setup
livid fractal
What kind of meme fleet is this?
sick jasper
double points as mine 
livid fractal
Almost 14k 
coral wren
Viable pvp setups and equip for ships, the only thing we have right now
sick jasper
so also pvp?
coral wren
Ye, there is a bookmark for pvp
coral wren
25% hp back for all when she is kill
still kestrel
because of her skill, which heals when she dies
sick jasper
ah
coral wren
b-but muh portland
sick jasper
so just to die
coral wren
and louis
trail hollow
i mean in the spreadsheet for w1-w11 trash mob tier list
sick jasper
this the only fleet i can make
livid fractal
trail hollow
meme gear
coral wren
ye, just waiting for you to spank it
trail hollow
well aya is 5k 
yep probably
anyone else with a full hood wasd here?
cant find anybody else in sandy server XD
sick jasper
with my trash
sick jasper
why every one has double my power
trail hollow
shes meh for me
theres no lvl 120 yet or jiintsu kai anyways
cant really nuke front vang with units atm using aurora
sick jasper
u can see my fleet above ur pic
trail hollow
eldridge i guess.. do you have washington?
coral wren
There is no point for dakota without washington, so..
trail hollow
sick jasper
they have a combo?
trail hollow
yeah
coral wren
Y
But i dunno, if i were you i prob wouldn't spend mats for eldridge
you have bel and helena already, you just need juneuoauou
sick jasper
does that mattar?
elder crane
You want Juneau to die first, so her in front is pretty important
the other two, not so much
coral wren
Eeh, bottom takes the most dmg, so yeah
elder crane
Well, "bottom" is the lead ship, that's what I meant
the other two is a matter of choice of who you want to preserve more and what team you face
some teams will do more dmg to mid, others to top
sick jasper
i dont know anything about those things dont even know if i equiped the good things
coral wren
just check that doc i posted above, there is a page with recommended equip
elder crane
Just go with PvE equip if you don't have the best stuff
Not much point in optimizing then
Once you get the rec. equipment, then outfit with those
sick jasper
are the new equips in the store good?
livid fractal
No one is pushing and I just want to sleep, don't have time for 6 hour resets 
elder crane
The magtorps are good, the rest are optional
sick jasper
2nd 
sick jasper
elder crane
Grrrr, didn't have you in queue
livid fractal
@real notch I can see you..
sturdy lantern
It’s not a ship’s level, it’s a commander’s one
sturdy lantern
And it’s not fast anyway
livid fractal
Yeah that's commander's level
sturdy lantern
More importantly, do you guys equip pearl on Juneau or it’s better to give it to somebody else since she dies too fast for these 10% to be useful? Can’t test it myself anyway and simple search didn’t help much
livid fractal
You can level up your ships fast by commissions (the one that uses oil) and dorm and flagships or mvp
@sturdy lantern sometimes Juneau overheals so it's better if you equipped it on someone
odd schooner
Lmao
No one's moving on my end too
US time so probably 6am
And monday for them
sturdy lantern
@livid fractal thank you kindly
livid fractal
Yeah I gave up, I rather lose -1 than holding off the attacks remaining, then suddenly fall asleep waiting for next reset
Not worth
opaque lodge
Do u have to use imgur links to show setups here ? (Trophy rulings) or not applied here
sturdy lantern
A pic or two won’t hurt
foggy token
@real notch i dont think en has gold aa guns with fast enough rof
u can get under 1.3 with blue and purple aa guns
odd schooner
Aris. Do i keep 1 pompoms or nah
foggy token
keep all ur gold aa
theres little to no reason to not keep gold equipments in this game
regardless how bad they are
300 slots is more than enough
elder crane
You're probably better off with high-range AA for now, but it shouldn't matter much which gold AA you use as long as it's not the octuple 40s.
placid musk
Does my pvp fleet need a beaver badge?
elder crane
Beaver badge, aside from it's unique skill, is the best evasion equipment we have, so probably yes except in some very niche scenarios
Yep, torp teams here we come!
Not really, NAKaga is about the same power as WASD teams on defense.
native mantle
wow we got jintsuu even with a retrofit?
looks great for pvp or i missread something?
still kestrel
yeah, the other servers got retrofit immediately so we do too
elder crane
She's one of the main pieces for torpedo-based frontlines
charred sable
Jintsuu getting retrofitted even before she gets released
grave gale
Save 50 T3 general plates for her. Although you'll probably make that much when you're farming for her to drop. 
idle python
if you're planning on going torp heavy front then probably jints+aurora+aya or jints+aurora+juneau or jints+aya+juneau
coral wren
add sendai kai
coral wren
jb should counter that shit as well, right?
i prolly wont abandon juneau
will just ditch aya
shes too inconsistant anyway
🚮
foxes > robot (???)s anyway
native mantle
kemonomimi>everything^^
blazing scroll
Poor aya
foggy token
jb can counter a lot of things if u reset hard enough
coral wren
Is there an easier way out without going to a mirror match?
real notch
lmao just saw someone with 13.8k vanguard
vague token
that is a lot of stat points lol
coral wren
Say these magnetic torps seem pretty good in PvP, how do they compare to best in slot?
sour phoenix
It's not the best for ayaya but you have many stats
coral wren
I assume there are stronger torps that dont have aim assist.
or are they BiS because they do more consistent dps from at least 2 hitting every shot?
glossy jay
I have feels that dropping Helena for Eldridge would be superior but going from unreliable to unreliable is
sick jasper
76mm would make it higher @untold folio
untold folio
i assume ur trolling lol
sick jasper
lime rivet
Ah, autobattle, how I love thee
Frontline completely avoids enemy opening torpedoes
proceeds to steam all the way backwards and run straight into three torpedoes from behind.
one of the torps clearly belonged to enemy aya because it took a pretty huge chunk
vague token
movespeed is a blessing and a curse
sometimes your vanguard likes to catch all the torps
other times they matrix through dive bombs and 406mm
xD
untold folio
lol
I lost a match today
I thought I didn’t have to reset against wasd
Then I come back their whole vanguard is alive and I see annhilated
then I see eld
Then I sad
sour phoenix
Optimization ?
untold folio
Nonono
grave gale
autoloader is also not good on DDs. You want repair tools for more HP
dull hollow
time to test today's meme comp
odd schooner
sour phoenix
Calm down it was just for the joke
real notch
it's ok just ignore fvr
lime rivet
enemy fleet all dead except a sole Enterprise on fire
my vanguard dead with edinburgh on a sliver of health
my backline all alive, but less than 1/3 hp
fire damage ticks, enterprise drops to 1hp
OWARI DA
And then before I could hit the pause and reset, Edinburgh, that glorious little shit, fucking rams Enterprise.
coral wren
OMEGALUL
spiral hull
ramming enty to death in owarida feels fucking good
subtle whale
real notch
Level 90.... Im on the home stretch
lone pendant
when you loves meta
odd schooner
@livid fractal feels like every first reset, I'm stuck with players coming from US/West
No one's moving
More or less it's 5am for them rn
livid fractal
Same here, they're not moving at all
Stuck at 9/10
Probably gonna use them all later again -_-
odd schooner
Still stuck 10/10 lmao
coral wren
it's been 2 months already and i still can't get the golden barracuda..
Probably would be less resets with it for me
spiral hull
wow sandy players slack hard
i havent even actively sandbagged
bless this server
finite valve
ironic with a server name sandy lol
grave gale
You got pretty lucky with your opponents to have a score like that without intentionally sandbagging
I'm like 20 points less and I haven't lost a match this season.
I hardly go out of my way to sandbag. I'll maybe occasionally close and reopen the game if I remember to.
native mantle
ranking is all about that seasonal score?
grave gale
yes
and that's based on how active your opponents are. The bigger the point difference when you beat them, the more you earn
So if you get opponents that don't play their games, you get screwed over in points
Forunately, at least on Sandy you can still get admiral of the navy every season by just winning all your matches and rushing them once you have 2200.
native mantle
ahh i was confused why some wins gave me 15 XP and some other 12 or lower
so for most points beat that with the highest rank of my 4 opponents?
real notch
wow
i ended up at rank 9 right before reset
that's pretty good
considering i only sandbagged to colonel 
grave gale
against my best wishes I bought a 5 royal pack and got a pom pom. Why do you hate me 113? 
grave gale
odd schooner
Seems like i hit another wall lmao
Now I think I'm queued up with players from the east
Welp rip
2 resets +0
Hope someone pushes later
blazing scroll
Waiting for opponents to get a higher rank so you get more points
Normally you get 10 points for a win but then you get 10+
odd schooner
You get +11 instead if you attack a player with +35 or more rank points
+1 for every +35 gap
dark nova
for some reason I thought it was 30
and kept looking for people 30 points ahead without any benefit
mistakes were made I guess
limpid sentinel
glossy jay
Are the only front lines that survive Eldridge based
calm vector
grave gale
Jesus does not stop enty from destroying your vanguard with lucky e
Whereas Eldridge will protect your vanguard the majority of the time.
Just don't make the mistake of putting Eldridge in the middle. You want her to absorb shots to proc. The off tank spot is best.
The tank spot has the increased risk of meeting an early demise due to face torps.
pastel forge
missed 5 matches to reset 
bright cloud
missed 3 T.T
coral wren
So, eh... is it the main rule to climb the ladder, waiting till the last moment before reset time and only then do pvp?
bright cloud
as long as you know its got extra pts just kick
especially in late rank where 70+ needed for +12
since people can only get +50 in a round so
try to get 2x +11 instead
coral wren
aight, 2bad reset timer is set to 5 am to where i am...
real notch
i don't think it's +35 per extra 1 point, that's only the case for the first extra point
if that weren't the case, players wouldn't be able to get +13 or +14 points
because the maximum amount of runs you can carry is 10
i'm pretty sure the required for 2 extra points is somewhere between 35-50
high flume
Hi! I just completed my Eagle Union PvP comp using Juneau, but I still got some questions bout her:
Which one works better as main gun for Juneau, Twin 127mm MK12 Dual Gun or Twin 100mm (type 98) AA gun?
What's the best 2nd Auxiliary equipment besides Pearl's Tears?
Which comp is better for vanguard, (Juneau, Helena, Cleveland) or (Juneau, Helena, Belfast)? (NOTE: I'm currently using WASD + Enty as Backrow)
real notch
@high flume
twin 127mm
repair toolkit or torpedo bulge (by the way pearl is not generally recommended on juneau)
juneau helena belfast
high flume
@real notch Eh really? I thought that so many people r using Juneau rn because of her compability with Pearl's Tears
and if you don't mind, why do you think Belfast> Cleveland?
real notch
they are compatible, but just not casting at the same time - if you put both (25% + 10% = 35%) heal on juneau, you play the risk of overhealing your ships when she dies - that's why you space out the heal
belfast is better in the current meta because she has an HE skill (HE op in PVP generally) and has a smokescreen (OP against foxes)
cleveland is not bad but also not best
high flume
@real notch So basically, just put Pearl's Tears on different Vanguard ship?
glossy jay
is there a CA actually worth using in pvp
eternal lodge
Nope
glossy jay
sad lyf
eternal lodge
Not yet anyway
glossy jay
i suppose my Minne's gear can outfit a DD
real notch
ye the HE skill is really good
the meta isn't even foxes, no need to even prioritize smokescreen
odd schooner
@dark nova dw. I just found out about it by when season 6 hits lmao i was bagging blindly for 5 seasons
dark nova
Hasn't really caused me any issues with getting my rank merits but it's definitely nice to know
abstract cypress
ping me when u done attacking @slow totem
slow totem
In half an hour, maybe.
coral wren
Are rainbow quints worse than gold quads in pvp?
Higher spread, lower fire rate, same dmg
grave gale
There's no debating that rainbow is the best.
abstract cypress
cd wise, quad have a higher chance to proc 1 more time than quit
slow totem
@abstract cypress There we go, used up 5 attempts.
odd schooner
abstract cypress
@slow totem 
abstract cypress
ur rank lower
abstract cypress
slow totem
abstract cypress
gonna spam all 9 nao 
slow totem
odd schooner
How much rank points do you have @slow totem
real notch
i just fought half this channel on my way ranking just now lol
slow totem
@odd schooner I don’t sandbag, so does mine matter? 
odd schooner
Yes, for research purposes
real notch
did u win
real notch
nice
hushed kayak
alright who are amazing boats for pvp?
rn my team is akaga, hood, belfast, ayanami, cleveland
mental sierra
@real notch There's not too much that can make me dislike a person on the internet IMMEDIATELY.
hushed kayak
though i might put in z23 for cleveland
mental sierra
But arguing against math without using math is one of those things
That's the last I'll say on it.
slate estuary
Please end this discussion and answer the lad question please
slate estuary
They were having this debate elsewhere already
Thought they ended
grave gale
Your backline is already really good. The other best vanguards are: Aurora, Juneau, Helena (not so good with the foxes though)
Fortune
hushed kayak
i mean i dont even have to use the foxes
grave gale
If you're using the foxes then I highly recommend you pull in light construction for Aurora
The three main compositions are: Foxes, Wasd and HMS
lament lichen
No
grave gale
nope
hushed kayak
ah
grave gale
she lowers the evasion of enemy DD and CLs (what everybody is using right now).
so your dive bombers are more likely to hit from the foxes
hushed kayak
ah
grave gale
We're also getting World 10 soon and 10-4 has Jintsuu as a rare drop
Jintsuu is one of the PVP meta staples
hushed kayak
oh?
grave gale
I think aurora, jintsuu and belfast/ayanami will my what I switch to when I have everybody raised
she is
light construction only
hushed kayak
ah
mental sierra
I think Belfast would be smarter like you had it the first time. Still decent torp. Affected by Jintsuu's buff. And saves you from the foxes' first airstrike. And since Aurora is in, more people are gonna start running foxes again
I never stopped
grave gale
I'm not sure. I'd have to toy around with both to see which I prefer
hushed kayak
ok so until i get aurora who should i use?
grave gale
but I really don't like the idae of buffing torp damage and not having the best torp damage with her
mental sierra
that's true, it does kinda feel like blue balls, but speaking anecdotally, in the Ayanami fleets I've fought that don't have belfast, Ayanami usually dies in the first airstrike
unless you just want her to nuke in the first 5 seconds
and then don't care
grave gale
if that's the case then belfast, yeah
switching cleveland to juneau is probably the best move you can do now
mental sierra
And I don't even have Aurora yet. I can only imagine the destruction fox airstrikes will cause to a fleet that has no belfast when I do have Aurora
hushed kayak
i havent seen much aurora
hushed kayak
juneau? you mean juno?
lament lichen
Juneau
hushed kayak
i dont have her lol
mental sierra
god I feel so bad for Juneau
hushed kayak
i might have gotten rid of her xD
mental sierra
Well
watch the exchange shop every few days
she gets put in here every once in awhile
if you don't want to go get one
hushed kayak
i could do renown with double auto loaders lol
grave gale
never use autoloader in pvp
mental sierra
yeah the fight would need to go over like 2 minutes if I recall correctly
for you to see a benefit
hushed kayak
really?
lament lichen
Auto loaders are a trap
hushed kayak
i have one on hood
grave gale
you want sg radars for the accuracy/evasion
mental sierra
Yeah I think WiS did the math on it at one point
grave gale
if you have no boosted hit, you'll have a hard time hitting other BBs that run double SG radar
hushed kayak
like hood has a 10+ Auto Load and +8 FCR
grave gale
85-90% hit chance
2x SG against 2x SG enemy
80-85% hit chance
1x SG against 2x SG enemy
<70% hit chance```For Hood I use gold fcr and sg radar
mental sierra
I do the same when I switch from Akaga+Ent to Akaga+Hood
hushed kayak
oof
grave gale
So who should get the rainbow dildo, belfast or Jintsuu?
hushed kayak
ayanami lol
grave gale
Oh. Definitely Jintsuu. 180% eff versus 155%
hushed kayak
just use sensei z23
i have so many ships that i wont use
i have takao mlb lol
but im not using her
grave gale
The problem with HMS is that it's 3 BBs and that requires a lot of SG radars to be most efficient. A lot of belguns too since they use CL guns
hushed kayak
i see people using helena in pvp
grave gale
Helena works well with everyone but foxes
lament lichen
Helena is for cheesing
hushed kayak
i have 3 sg radars left
i could level warspite
though duke of york replaces her eventually
grave gale
Elizabeth with beaver badge, sg radar. Hood with sg radar and gold fcr. Warpite with double sg radar
mental sierra
I use Helena in my Akaga fleet but only because of Enterprise
hushed kayak
no beaver badge lol
grave gale
go get it
mental sierra
I pull Helena out when I use Hood
grave gale
best evasion item in the game
hushed kayak
who would be the vanguard?
grave gale
Fortune, Belfast and Eldridge. We have a local HMS expert that says Eldridge works better than Juneau because of Enterprise. You still need to counter her.
hushed kayak
well i dont have any way of getting beaver badge easily and i havent leveled fortune nor gotten eldridge
grave gale
just stick the beaver squad in the dorm till they hit 30
then lb2 them and you're done
hushed kayak
i dont even have any of them lol
lament lichen
You should have them from like ch 1
hushed kayak
pretty much use white rarity to enhance
mental sierra
There're 3 of them in my exchange shop right now for 1 medal each
I think the ship exchange is identical?
grave gale
it isn't
mental sierra
I guess only purins are
my friends and I always notify each other when purins appear
hushed kayak
only for servers
grave gale
Sandy
mental sierra
Oh, I meant identical across other players
lament lichen
Its the same
mental sierra
on the same server of course
grave gale
across the server, yeah
lament lichen
I have the beaver squad in exchange too
hushed kayak
well now i just need 1000 copies lol
mental sierra
Are items identical too? @lament lichen
lament lichen
Yeah ur on avora right
mental sierra
Yeah
lament lichen
Yeah its the same
mental sierra
odd schooner
32 minutes remaining and yet.. smh
3rd +0 lmao
hushed kayak
oof
topaz beacon
hushed kayak
if i had more gold bulins id use wash and sd in pvp
real notch
Lol @mental sierra im not sure what the debate was exactly but it seemed pretty derpy xd
hushed kayak
i see prinz a ton in pvp
hushed kayak
lol
lament lichen
Easy win
hushed kayak
i have z23 retro and ayanami's
mental sierra
Something I've been seeing a little of, and I have no idea where it came from is: Hood, Ent, Illustrious backline
I've had sets of 4 opponents where 3 would have that backline
I'm curious if it's some kind of meme
Hell, I'm matched with one right now
hushed kayak
i mean cause theyre all top tier
and everyone loves the large boob waifus apparently
unicorn is better
mental sierra
16 minutes to reset
gonna wait 1 more minute and just do my matches
sick of waiting
mental sierra
Well, if it makes you feel any better, even with you getting no bonus points in 3 sets of 5, you're still capping at 8 points higher than me
idle python
Rip bonus points
mental sierra
Ayy, just found WASD + Saratoga
idle python
"They're SSR so must be good together"
hushed kayak
sara gets much better after retro though
mental sierra
I like him because he always moves quickly
hushed kayak
oof
mental sierra
No pun intended
idle python
My cn server for PvP is like: "1/3 defense fleets are actually meant to be serious defense fleets and 1/3 of those are annoying/good defense fleets"
idle python
Too many memes/waifu fleets on my cn server 😐 though I guess I'm not helping the cause either with my defense fleet
mental sierra
Those're really only a problem if you're waiting until the last 10 minutes before reset to do 5 matches, imo
and then they might get rage inducing if you run into multiple in a row
odd schooner
I've fought one and it took more time and almost killed my backline lmao
Wasd Hiryuu
mental sierra
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shrewd apex
hi there 
Been a while since I updated my PvP lineup and just wondering what I could/should do or change:
Enterprise - Ranger Kai - South dakota
Leander Kai - Belfast - Cleveland
note: I do not have the two foxes (yet)
hot creek
Do you have a Washington or Hood?
shrewd apex
Both, yes. Hood at lvl100 and Wash at 90
charred sable
Get that WashiWashi to 100
Then see the guide linked to in the pins for team comp reference
shrewd apex
derp... forgot to look at the pins >.<
So backline seems to be more BB oriented than I thought 🤔
So Washington and South Dakota + either Enty or Hood
What's the discussion for Hood vs Enty?
odd schooner
Tired today so i went ahead and used all 5 tries
It's so nice to be free from camping shikikans
bleak flicker
im on vacation, otherwise i wouldnt even consider to sandbag
to0 tedious
@shrewd apex from my experience hood perform more reliable as wildcard in wasde comp vs. foxes or wasde+enty; maninly because most ppl (at least on my server) have eldrige in their vanguard, countering your own enty
shrewd apex
interesting 
bleak flicker
i can reliably beat any wasde+enty within 1 reset (if rng absolutely trolls me) with wasde+hood
shrewd apex
I'm kinda stuck at 2500 - 3500 ranks =/
bleak flicker
especially if u bring ur own eldrige to counter their enty
shrewd apex
So should I prioritise Eldridge on my vanguard?
bleak flicker
imo, even if meta shifts with auroa etc., eldrige seems still worth it, but i´m not experienced enough to predict this
shrewd apex
so what's the other suggested vanguards? Cleveland? Leander Kai?
bleak flicker
juneau / belfast / helena immediately comes into my mind; soon jintsuu, auroa (if ppl start to get them)
vanguard is not static
always depends what ur opponent has
shrewd apex
I see. I kinda just went by the TierList until now as I've never really gunned for the big spot. But I kinda want to get better in PvP as that's kinda the main competition the game has
native mantle
I'm leveling atm my QE,something else backliners(i have no hood, dork) and juneau, belfast, helene for my pvp setup
ahh stop no i leveling fortune instead of helena
that moment when ya got a sandy instead of a aurora in light building....
native mantle
better then to get 2x phoenix after i got my phoenix to 5 stars....
wise summit
i'm planning to have jintsuu/aya/aurora
with akaga E backline, think it should cleanly remove whatever's in front even with belfast
coral wren
I wonder how will hms do when jintsuu kai is out
native mantle
and it get worse for nakaga with JB i guess
native mantle
ya mean jintsei^^
coral wren
Is beaver required on sadako/ca's only? Like, is it worth taking with vanguard that consists of cl and dd?
hushed kayak
How’s fubuki?
near sparrow
I think 39 is the minimum average speed for dodging battleship shots. It might be 38.
Figure out what that average is and see if you need beaver medallion to break that.
Fubuki is alright but you could have Kagerou or Jintsuu and get similar results with more options
slow totem
Good ol’ Santaprise vs Enterbride.
jolly sandal
High level pvp
vague token
hmm, im seeing a bit of luck with belfast/black heart/eldridge
but i need a +10 gold belgun still
elder crane
Hey, some people can have very peculiar luck
And/or are saving most cubes for events
flint yarrow
is Aurora actually good or is she in his team cause waifu
https://gyazo.com/4f8fc951ed3300b1fcb4e71ce6e5bc01
I find it hard to believe she is better than helena
dark nova
evasion reduction skill is good
alpine finch
vague token
lol
fortune lives too long
modern tree
Aurora is much better than Helena because she doesnt need a specyfic timing to HAVE A CHANCE to work, benefits you from the moment game started, does not get destroyed by Eldridge existing, has torps which makes her potentially put dents in main fleet, makes friendly Belfast incredibly scary, makes opposing Belfast a lot less scary and probably a couple of more reasons I am ignoring just because this post is pretty thick
that said, they are boith increadibly fragile CLs and mileage you get out of them will vary, the fact that Aurora gets hers from the game start and doesnt need to wait till 20 hoping for a proc puts her miles ahead
flint yarrow
well im sold thanks love u
modern tree
Combine with akaga for maximum cancer
flint yarrow
she HMS ❤ gonna put her with QE hood and Enterprise
odd schooner
Aurora works best on akaga so ye
wise summit
I'm commander lv 81 and my first warspite was the lexington exchange
but it's too late to play hms now
hot creek
well heavy construction is a different story
you should always be doing a light construction every day at the very least
so you're bound to get belfast
hot creek
yeah i spammed like 80~ constuctions so far got a ton of belfasts and sandys
no auroura
vague token
xD
coral wren
If i’m not mistaken it’s better not to spend cubes on ws rn. Many speculate that we will get dork event pretty soon
hybrid obsidian
it s been 5 days since update, lul
abstract cypress
meta sheeps
coral wren
donald trump
not using ful uss fleet
Yeah, he had one job
hybrid obsidian
lel
last season he still had the whole USS thing going on
13500+ washd E, dont know what s he putting on his ships
abstract cypress
married?
hybrid obsidian
all my married ships are 200 aff
abstract cypress
i could try it but
dont wanna up the gold bb guns 
hybrid obsidian
oh, maybe it s the bb then
lul
was only arming my E
i got both the meme gold gun +10
hybrid obsidian
hmm, weird, ok
odd schooner
Wasd H can go 13.6 with pvp equips
hybrid obsidian
im sure my bbs were using purples and only my enty was full gold as well
odd schooner
With triple gold meme it's 13.9
hybrid obsidian
heh, i did up 3 gold guns just to see thay
that*
nothing to upgrade atm so my plates just collecting dust 
odd schooner
hybrid obsidian
the kms dream fails so badly in pvp, lul
coral wren
so it is bad afterall, lul
hybrid obsidian
ye, i oathed and lvl 100 tirpitz, graf and the z frontline
get rekt pretty quick
coral wren
0 dmg from backline?
hybrid obsidian
my third i tried lusty n E
hm, mostly the front dies too quickly
backline dmg is average i suppose
abstract cypress
SL10 on all?
hybrid obsidian
sl10?
abstract cypress
skill level
hybrid obsidian
hm, not yet, im still hoping to see improvements when i finally do max em
abstract cypress
im also omw building kms
theyre still lvl 50
hybrid obsidian
the frontline z buff and teamwide dmg reduction is maxed
z23 base skill maxed n kai skill lvl6
tirp both skills at lvl8
same w my z46
only pitiful one is graf efficiency skill at lvl1
abstract cypress
thats the problem
hybrid obsidian
thats not the true problem tho
vanguard rekt after the first backline showdown
abstract cypress
stukas dps relies on that
hybrid obsidian
well true, but then again, if the vanguard cant last till past the first 30 secs then no matter how much ur backline deals
it kinda pointless if ur opponent deals the same amt
hybrid obsidian
15% more efficiency wont make much difference
lul
ye, they all die pitifully
tho i do like kms in pve
quite nice
stay true to history of bad navy
coral wren
russian ships: hold my beer
hybrid obsidian
stable panther
Russia have ships!?
hybrid obsidian
Avrora in game, hue
stable panther
Oh, right. The floating antique piece
coral wren
I hope they don't add their ships from ww1 at least. Their loss in russo-japan war was a freaking embarrassment
statistically their kda in ww2 was somewhere close to italian fleet
stable panther
Huh, that bad
coral wren
yeah
stable panther
And the Italians are literally farmers trying to blitz into industrial
... Wait, Russia is also somewhat agrarian at the time, don't they?
coral wren
there were only 3 relevant fleets, usa brits and japs. Yeah, russians were also potato farmers before allies started investing into their industrialization
stable panther
Potato, the lifeline of Russians
coral wren
the image of russia in japan is so weird. They tend to see them as some sort of nords, when in reality it's just poor mix between slavs and mongols who can survive through the winter. But they almost always draw them with white hair, blue eyes + some aryan characteristics. That's really bizarre
stable panther
They probably just base all Russian on putin :V
hybrid tendon
putin calendar is one of the bestsellers in japan
slow totem
CYKA POWA!!
odd schooner
German flagship when
slow totem
Tirpitz’ Older Sister
slow totem
To show you the power of German Tape! I shot this Battlecruiser in half!
coral wren
Can we please have an anti-ship missile girl?
odd schooner
Am trying to memorize those shikikans that usually push now
Guess i can wait for hobo or shuvi 
abstract cypress
enemy use eld illu
not proccing rainbow on lucky E
frontline wiped
real notch
LOOOOL
sage thistle
What’s the best build for aurora
real notch
not really firmly decided yet
grave gale
Foxes definitely
real notch
but u can follow aristya's PVP guide for CN/JP
grave gale
Belfast and Jintsuu most likely
real notch
isn't he asking aurora gear
grave gale
Oh. gear
abstract cypress
just use the standard CL
real notch
i can show you what i have for aurora
grave gale
I'd go with the standard CL stuff. Belgun, magnetic torp, pearl/repair, bulge
real notch
real notch
mid position aurora so no bulge
grave gale
torps can hit any position
real notch
torp investment because of her % dmg skill
ye but torps only hit middle ship if the vanguard is moving vertically
otherwise middle spot is safe
abstract cypress
155,quadmag,bofor,box,bulge
real notch
anyways the fragile thing is a test of mine
i wager stronger torp presence to kill juneau over survivability of foxes
grave gale
Jintsuu will definitely want the rainbow dildo and rainbow quint if you aren't using Ayanami. 180% torp eff
real notch
aurora's only important until the vanguard is dead
then she's useless
so i'm aiming for 1st airstrike vanguard death
grave gale
Right now I'm using Belfast, Aurora and Ayanami
real notch
i still need to do some more tests but
my vanguard is juneau - aurora - belfast
belfast is pearl badge
grave gale
Ayanami has gotten a lot better with the magnetic torps. She now does occasionally mvp with 20k. and consistently hits 15k if not mvp
real notch
juneau is toolkit bulge
in aristya's words ayanami is like a condom
you shoot once with it and then u throw the wrapper away
grave gale
Not true for EN. She survives well
She's been the last one standing a lot of the time
real notch
i haven't had that happen for me fighting against ayanamis , though there was a few times like 3-4 weeks ago (before magtorps) that aya was sort of cockroachy
grave gale
Ayanami usually gets to blow a load or two at the back before those twin 127s finish her off
real notch
now she just instadies to lucky E and some BB salvos
grave gale
I can only pray that I get lucky with Jintsuu and don't have to spend weeks farming
real notch
tbh i'm not that excited for desron 👀
grave gale
Right now the vanguard with the opening torps does 50-70% of their HP.
lament lichen
but 9-4 is autoable
lament lichen
i use juneau belfast aya
there are times you can just kill one of hte vanguards in the opening
real notch
rly
real notch
GAS GAS GAS