pvp

[odd schooner]

Or farm the foxes

[native mantle]

aye i elvel my ships in 3-4 cause of that

[odd schooner]

I don't really trust triple CV

Let's wait for triple CV players

[native mantle]

and i use phoenix, belfast and helena as vanguard atm

[native mantle]

warspite/hood would be a better BB?

[native mantle]

without that ya go 2CV/CVL and 1 BB?

[odd schooner]

2 cv 1 bb or 2 bb 1 cv

[native mantle]

so i guess enty+any other CV+hood/warspite/tirpitz or hood+warspite+enty?

[wise summit]

hello I am a triple CV player, akaga/enty

[odd schooner]

Hms usually goes triple bb for standard

Hood Queen Elizabeth Warspite

Tirpitz isn't really for pvp

But since you mentioned her as one of the only 2 bb you got, i recommended her cause you're using 2 more CV (her skill works only if she's the only BB on your backline)

Other than that. The popular backlines are

Foxes + Hood

Illustrious Enterprise Hood

Foxes + Enterprise

Queen Elizabeth Hood Enterprise (It's weird but it works lmao)

I assume you don't have Washington so I'm not going to suggest FW fleet

Queen Elizabeth is essential for HMS fleet cause she buffs every HMS ship

Hood works best for Foxes cause her skill affects backline reload speed, has good hp pool to tank shots from enemy and can snipe an enemy backline

Well until we get the Fox Fleet flagship of course

I had issues with warspite before i think it's when i fought either Shogun or Jay

But that was like September or October

[spiral hull]

how much rank difference would give a bonus point in the 700s

im at 734 and the best opponent is 564 atm

[odd schooner]

Not good

Check rank 90-100 first

You'd want 600+ rank gap

But sometimes they're not past +35

Especially when reset is still far away

[spiral hull]

90-100 here are 1356~1355

[odd schooner]

What's your points

[spiral hull]

1307

this guy isnt moving tho orz

[odd schooner]

Still far

You'd want 1342

So that's like below r200

[spiral hull]

mm ok

[native mantle]

@odd schooner why is warspite warshit?

and so its FW>enty+foxes=hood+foxes>enty+illu+hood>HMS backline?

sry I'm jsut not shure how to decide what would work better

[coral wren]

what is your advice for a FRONT lane PvP ? Juneau is really mandatory ?

[trail hollow]

Mmm shes a good stall

[wise summit]

juneau's not mandatory by any stretch, depends on what you're seeing really and what you have trouble with

if enty fleets are getting you, get an eldridge in, if akaga fleets are getting you, get belfast in

[coral wren]

i run with Bel, Aya and Helena

idk if it's really optimise

back Hood, Akaga

i search a better fleet comp x_x

[wise summit]

well you could probably safely replace helena with juneau and have a meta fleet

helena doesn't really benefit foxes that much

[coral wren]

Bel, Cygnet, Fortune work ?

[elder crane]

Yes, but all three ships there play specific roles which means you may want to swap them out for either generally good ships or a ship of a different role if their role is not needed.
Bel is there to counter Foxes with her smoke.
Cygnet is there to counter opening torpedoes with her smoke.
Fortune is a backline protection ship and therefore usually good minus the rare case in which the frontline is targeted much more than the backline.

[odd schooner]

@native mantle there was a time she wasn't doing her job well and becomes another burden instead. Well at least now we're fully equipped so she's good to go.

Imagine 1 or 2 of belli dura despicio missed and all her BB shells were evaded by enemy vanguard

[native mantle]

@odd schooner so is that ranking that i imagined accurate or nonesense?

[lime rivet]

@native mantle it's not a matter of ranking. that doesn't apply in pvp because infinite resets + attacker bonus

it's just that you have to ensure your ships can counter the defender fleet

for example, HMS w/ Belfast shits on a defending Akaga because belsmoke neuters akaga and Hood/Warspite slaughters akaga in 2 salvos.

[native mantle]

I'm just not shure what i should get/level besides akaga/hood

atm i ahve a helena, phoenix belfast vanguard

[lime rivet]

backline, you have 3 broad compositions:

1. HMS. Hood, Queen Liz, Warspite/Duke of York/Monarch
2. Akaga + Nagato. Since no Nagato on EN yet, people slot Enty or Hood
3. WASD. For the third ship, people currently put either Enty or Hood

Once you've decided on what backline you're aiming for, that will determine how you want to set up your frontline

[native mantle]

i ahve no washington so only 1 for me i guess?

so akaga+hood or enterprise is outdatet?

[lime rivet]

it will be outdated.

[native mantle]

and why? just because ppl need a belfast vanguard to counter that CV main fleet?

[lime rivet]

huh? no. it's because high-end pvp revolves around ship synergy. You need ships that will mutually buff each other or be buffed by each other.

Enterprise is a very strong solo ship, but she doesn't exactly synergise with anyone. That's why people usually drop her in favour of something else that better synergises.

[solemn gorge]

twin 127 or 100 on juneau?

[lime rivet]

juneau generally if you're running akaga. WASD or HMS can forgo Juneau if they really want to.

@solemn gorge twin 127.

[solemn gorge]

alright thanks

[lime rivet]

pearl alone is enough for HMS, no need to run a juneau

[solemn gorge]

i have enough plates for another +10 weapon, didnt know which one for juneau

[lime rivet]

tbh the gun doesn't really matter on juneau. she's just there to die after all

[native mantle]

so cause we have no nagato try to get a queen and any of that BB's ya listed?

@lime rivet

[lime rivet]

uhh, sure, i guess? HMS is a fairly braindead comp to assemble

up to you

[native mantle]

cause i have no WASD no washington for that FW combo

[lime rivet]

no one runs lusty.

at least, not on purpose.

[native mantle]

then why i see that many akagas or entys? what a lusty?

[lime rivet]

unless it's a lusty/eldridge meme comp, there's no good reason to run lusty

[native mantle]

and that jneneau?

why is she called jesus?

[lime rivet]

because she heals the whole fleet when she dies

[native mantle]

ah k. what ya used in general as vanguard with that HMS main fleet?

[iron helm]

belfast

fortune kai

leander kai

[native mantle]

oh? why for example not helena or phoenix?

[iron helm]

cuz theyre not hms?

[native mantle]

ahhh right that was USS my bad^^

[iron helm]

also all i mentioned focus mainly on defense

so its good

theres not much choice for vanguard

in the future there’s HMS Neptune

but theres just it

[lime rivet]

Offensive:
Edin/LeanderKai/Belfast (standard CL front)
Belfast/Aurora/Leander kai (For when we get Duke of York and you want your frontline to do something)

Defensive:
Belfast/FortuneKai/Juneau (backline prot)
Belfast/Leanderkai/Juneau (staggered smoke)
Belfast/Eldridge/Juneau (anti-LuckyE)

[iron helm]

what is that? HMS?

[lime rivet]

HMS, yeah

[iron helm]

juneau aint hms tho

[lime rivet]

doesn't matter

[iron helm]

but thats good either way

[lime rivet]

you're not running juneau for anything other than her dying.

so it doesn't matter that she doesn't get buffed by QE

[native mantle]

what would be the difference between offensive and def setup for vanguard?

[iron helm]

offensive to attack? owo

i mean the main gun doesnt finish the vanguard off

so you’ll need ur vanguard to take care of that

[lime rivet]

Offensive generally helps your frontline kill the enemy vanguard faster

If your backline doesn't have perfect gear, this can help a little bit

HMS fleets rely on their backline to kill the enemy backline first

Whereas Akaga and/or Ent fleets kill off the enemy frontline first before killing a backline.

[solemn gorge]

what aux equipment should wasd be running? i currently have sg radar + gold fcr on sd and double sg radar on wash

[lime rivet]

Swap their auxes.

[solemn gorge]

any reason? I think fcr synergizes with sd skill

I also have beaver badge on belfast and was thinking of moving that to main fleet

[native mantle]

@lime rivet what is "not perfect gear" for ya?

[solemn gorge]

@native mantle less than this probably

[lime rivet]

SD skill is inconsistent enough that you're not relying on it - 30% is really really fucking low.

[native mantle]

so everything thats lower then +10?

[lime rivet]

Meanwhile, Washington is who is doing the heavy lifting in the WASD fleet - with both her barrages (which will hit BOTH vanguard and backline) and when Night of Iron Bottom Sound procs. You also generally want her to be firing out of sync with enemy Lucky Es (which a 406mk6 will sync up with)

[odd schooner]

He doesn't have Washington

[solemn gorge]

406 on wash?

[lime rivet]

@odd schooner i'm talking to splenetic

[odd schooner]

Oh ok

[lime rivet]

410s a bit...eh on wash

[solemn gorge]

i currently have it the other way around 410 on wash 406 on sd

[lime rivet]

She doesn't need a 410

Her barrage is timed, not tied to main gun

[odd schooner]

410 lets you hit enterprise

[native mantle]

so with just blue and purple max +6 gear going for a offensive vanguard?

[lime rivet]

Yeowch.

[odd schooner]

He's pree much new so ye

Gotta go grind a bit first rose

I'd worry later on for that

[solemn gorge]

should i move my beaver badge from belfast to someone on main fleet?

[native mantle]

yeah but when i need to level some ships i can do it then in a map whjere for edxample queen E drops so i can do hit 2 birds with a stone^^

[odd schooner]

Your target guns are:
Purple 406mm mk6 (don't forget mk6) or Purple 410mm
Target planes
Helldiver
Gold or Purple Barracuda
Any Gold fighter plane except zero

For basic cl gun. 4-2 for tbtsk

You can use it also for pvp until you get better stuff

I think it's 3-2 for helldiver

3-4 for toolbox and foxes ofc

Technically those stuff will help a bit in improving both your pvp and pve

[livid fractal]

Yow, can u get +2? Or just +1 at most

[odd schooner]

+1 most. They don't really move at this point

Like

Past 2 reset it's just +1 each

[livid fractal]

+1 only when I'm way below 1k

[odd schooner]

Just check if it's +70

For +2

Lmao it's leo

1373

[livid fractal]

[solemn gorge]

do you run beaver badge on vanguard or main fleet?

[odd schooner]

Pree much 49 points gap

Main

[solemn gorge]

it replaces an sg radar right

[odd schooner]

The aura goes away if the ship sinks

Ye

[livid fractal]

And here I am bothering to hide their names

[odd schooner]

[native mantle]

btw what ya meaned some minutes ago that later we will have a neptune HMS?

[solemn gorge]

so beaver sg on wash

fcr sg on sd?

[native mantle]

?

[solemn gorge]

ok thank you

[native mantle]

could anyone answer my question?^^

[slate estuary]

it's a PR ship

research one

[native mantle]

dunno we got that neptune event before? thats the reason i was wondering why to play that ships in HMS when everyone said they are bad

[slate estuary]

/wiki Neptune

[strange moat]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Neptune

[native mantle]

ahhhhh

was wodnering if that was the reason i saw some full or near full neptune fleets in pvp^^

[pastel forge]

haven't seen fully geared 6/6 neptune team tho

oh ye

[native mantle]

allright then i will jsut focus on that top squad on that pic. but whats the exactly reason that that akaga squad is outdatet? i can't not understand it and sry if i ask stupid and not welcome questions

[untold folio]

wasd exist

also use lusty

[native mantle]

i have no washington

[odd schooner]

Hood is my beaver holder so that I can easily interchange between Foxes Wasd and HMS

Akaga isn't actually outdated. They're just a bit weaker now

[native mantle]

any special reason for that?

[odd schooner]

They're still the fastest tho

40s pvp is

Washington fleet counters them

Cause Washington fleet has pretty high anti air

Plus has synergy skill

Their backline will outlive your foxes

[native mantle]

allright just dunno knowed why they are weaker^^ tyvm

[pastel forge]

do note that foxes aren't bad investment, they'll be back full force into the meta later

[odd schooner]

High anti air means your planes will do less dmg

They can still do 40s pvp

Actually it's wasd E

[native mantle]

allright thats something i can good understand^^

[odd schooner]

Enterprise chan doko

[native mantle]

ya mean akaga finished enty before she even was able to deal dmg?

[odd schooner]

Yes

That's why hood is a better match for them until nagato arrives to EN

Oh yeah my bad. Outdated meand it's been used since august

And the counter fleet was introduced aka Washington

[native mantle]

so that akaga/hood setup is a good alternative to thasdt HMS fleet?

[odd schooner]

Yes

[native mantle]

kemonomimi rules^^

[odd schooner]

Cause of high anti air

[native mantle]

so HMS>WASDE/Akaga-setup jsut cause of that queen?

[pastel forge]

hms is generally more investment tho, compared to akaga

[native mantle]

sry jsut try to understand the differences

[coral wren]

What will happen to hms when nagato is out?

[slate estuary]

ded if duke of york or monarch ain't there

tho typically nakaga hard counter is JB anyways

[coral wren]

I am still in doubt, should i invest into hms or wasd if i want to kick nakaga's ass

[slate estuary]

neither tbh

it's jb or essex comps that counters nakaga

[bleak flicker]

jb = jean bart?

[coral wren]

jb stands for ..?

[slate estuary]

jean bart the pirate

/wiki Jean Bart

[strange moat]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Jean_Bart

[slate estuary]

If she is lucky

[slow totem]

Jean Bart.

[coral wren]

weird

[slate estuary]

She can take out both foxes within 10 seconds

[bleak flicker]

what is exactly what counters nakaga with JB? the preloaded main gun for instant shelling?

[coral wren]

I thought she is kinda meh in pvp, since you waste her "All manually aimed salvo damage is increased by 40% (60%)."

[slow totem]

Preloaded main gun salvo can 1 shot Akagi or Kaga if they hit.

[bleak flicker]

its really strong enough to one shot a cv?

[slate estuary]

esp with v high crit rate

yes

[bleak flicker]

[slow totem]

She can fire in the first 3 seconds of the battle, dude.

[bleak flicker]

i know the preload main gun, just wasnt aware the damage is high enough

to oneshot a cv

[slate estuary]

she hits 6k+

on HEAVY

[coral wren]

oh, w8. I missed that preload gun line

Now i see

[slow totem]

Gear her right, she can hit 8k per bullet, so if both bullet hits, that’s 16k.

[slate estuary]

lemme do the math

[slow totem]

Bye bye Kaga

[bleak flicker]

would be the special gold quad gun, designeg for her?

[slow totem]

Yep

[bleak flicker]

cant wait for JB

[slow totem]

She’s Fox killer.

One of the few BBs that fire faster than the foxes can launch air bursts.

[coral wren]

What about essex tho? You can just take her as a third slot in your backline

in wasd

[slate estuary]

she does around 6.7k on a crit to fox

[slow totem]

Essex with WASD no sells the foxes’ airstrikes, the tanky route to JB’s blitzkrieg route.

[slate estuary]

essex wants us CVs tho

so enty loves her too

[slow totem]

Essex Love

She’s Enty fangirl too, oddly enough haha

[coral wren]

now i'm even more confused...

There should be some sort of event calendar for en

[slow totem]

So... you want JB or Essex? Both works.

[coral wren]

what comes first

[slate estuary]

there isn't

#461437354872143883

[slow totem]

Likely JB then.

[coral wren]

But, as you said, jb relies more on the pure luck, right? If she can one shot both foxes with first salvo

[slate estuary]

except her crit rates are ridiculous...

[slow totem]

I’d pick JB over Essex, since you have infinite resets and JB can do it on her own.

While Essex’ pretty strict in comps.

[modern tree]

just play foxes and ride the rng

[slow totem]

Mirror Match POG

[modern tree]

Jintsuu btw

21st

Time to die

[coral wren]

Eh, dont wanna follow that mainstream

[slow totem]

How to No Sell torp vanguards?

Mirror Match is unsatisfying true

Torp-focused vanguards mean they are spent once the initial salvo is out, right?

No comp is almighty.

True.

How to No Sell Jintsuu-spammer?

[coral wren]

I wish ironblood was a thing in pvp

[modern tree]

they are if you make them

[slow totem]

Nothing stopping you from using them.

Following the mainstream all the time gets boring, I say

[modern tree]

I will play Tirpitz with foxes and Z vanguard just for lols

[slow totem]

Mmmm, yisss

[coral wren]

I just feel it will be an infinite loop of resets

[slow totem]

Eeeeeh.... naaaaah

They aren’t that bad

And she makes other ships tankier too

And 50% damage reduction and HP boost in PvP

She can work.

[modern tree]

I dont like Zeppelin that much, but I will give it a shot. I think akaga with Tirpitz has a better shot tho

[slow totem]

Yeah, actual practice is the best method.

No hurry anyway

Nimi 2. XD

[native mantle]

btw is there something besides akaga thats the strength of a IJN fleet?

[slow totem]

Nagato.

[native mantle]

so the vanguard is more meaningsless cause akaga and nagato is the strength behind a IJN fleet?

[slow totem]

Hmmm... Jintsuu and Ayanami with Aurora, I guess. Eh.

[real notch]

actually because they are twinfox vanguard is important

they don't have secondary guns so when your vanguard dies the foxes basically lose

so you need a strong vanguard that will outlast enemy vanguard

either by means of buffing your vanguard or debuffing theirs

[native mantle]

was just wodnering cause someone said that IJN with nagato will be OP for both pvp and pve

[slow totem]

Nagato breaks the PvP meta, until Essex or JB come along, correct.

[real notch]

well ye

wasd currently edges out twinfox

with nagato twinfox will edge out wasd

both are still top tier tho

[native mantle]

why will essex/JB counter them?

[real notch]

essex's blue skill

[native mantle]

/wiki essex

[strange moat]

Z23 Sensei

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Essex
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Essex_Questline

Dec 16, 2018, 8:15 PM

[real notch]

turns enemy planes into chickens

[native mantle]

wtf

[slow totem]

JB can snipe a fox (or both if you’re lucky) deadass at the first 3 seconds of battle.

[native mantle]

wait 3 seconds let me see

[slow totem]

searchal Jean_Bart

[hidden wyvern]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&search=Jean_Bart

[native mantle]

for what stands jb?

[slow totem]

She begins the battle with a Salvo preloaded, like Torps.

[native mantle]

where that is wirten? can't find it on her wiki

*written

[slow totem]

The limit breaks section

[real notch]

check limit break ranks

[native mantle]

ahhh there

[slow totem]

Ez Fox Hunt

[civic merlin]

👌

[native mantle]

that salvo can oneshot foxes?

[real notch]

maybe

[slow totem]

Yes.

They can oneshot either one, or in the rare awesome case, both.

[native mantle]

btw cause izu mentiit earlier. for what is aya good?

*mentioned

[slow totem]

Pair Aya with Jintsuu and Aurora for offensive Vanguard torping

[slate estuary]

JB salvos can hit around 6.5k on a fox with a crit with one shot

[slow totem]

And she shoots 3. Oof

[slate estuary]

2

actually

[slow totem]

Oh yeah, 2.

[slate estuary]

mgm +1 not +2

but she uses her JB gun

which is a quad gun

so it's 2x2 x2

[native mantle]

only for light armor? so what about BB's with heavy armor?

[real notch]

bbs with heavy armor

[slate estuary]

6.5k is med armour for CVs

for BB around err

5.5k per shot

[native mantle]

washington saw like she wear heavy armor xP

[slate estuary]

so if you are lucky

that's 2 dead foxes

and nagato is like wtf just happened

[slow totem]

Bai Rose, we’re talking for a way to counter Nagato Foxes, not Washington tho.

[native mantle]

aye i was just wondering if the same apply to any BB with JB

[slow totem]

No. They’ll survive

[real notch]

most CVs other than taihou will have medium armor

[slate estuary]

JB counters CVs in particular

[real notch]

and afaik most BBs will have heavy

[slow totem]

Taihou and Good Ol’ Lusty

[slate estuary]

yeah taihou and lusty class

[slow totem]

Oh yeah, Victorious too

[real notch]

so that's why jean bart or any BB salvo will do more dmg ships to like twinfox

[slow totem]

They deadass ded.

[real notch]

depends on gun and skills and placement but

[slate estuary]

and JB advantage lies in being pre loaded

[real notch]

generally that's how it works

[slow totem]

French Pirate Lady > Some Furry shit

[foggy token]

its ez to use jb

start game

miss jb shot

restart

[slow totem]

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!

[slate estuary]

to hell with your under 12 second planes

[real notch]

aristya did u write a pvp guide by any chance

[slate estuary]

no idea how fast foxes fly at 120 tbh

[foggy token]

yes

[slow totem]

Still won’t be faster than JB.

[slate estuary]

yeahh

[real notch]

nice

[slate estuary]

i think 100 foxes fly at 11s?

[mossy kraken]

hello, is EN noob welcome here? I just have 1 question

[slate estuary]

i cant rmb

[foggy token]

you already asked that 1 question

😃

[slow totem]

Hello, Neko!

[mossy kraken]

God damn it

[slow totem]

Welcome~

[real notch]

welcome nekobolas

[foggy token]

did you pay membership fee?

[slow totem]

We directed you here to not clog help

[mossy kraken]

Hug there is toll feen

?

[slow totem]

That works honestly. But one problem with cranes is they get into full potential pass 90 seconds or so mark.

[mossy kraken]

Come on I'm just a poor En noon trying figure out how to set up vanguard

[slow totem]

That’s assuming they survive till then.

[native mantle]

cranes?

[foggy token]

i was just kidding neko

[real notch]

i will give u optimal vanguard advice

juneau, belfast, aurora

change ur cranes to foxes

[slow totem]

It’s okay, just take it one step at a time.

[real notch]

change enterprise to hood

profit

[mossy kraken]

I Farm 200 3-4 no foxes

[native mantle]

leander kai instead of aurora works too?

[real notch]

alternatively you can keep cranes

and keep helena

[slow totem]

Yeah, you can work with this.

[real notch]

and swap eldridge for aurora

[slow totem]

Leander has no place in PvP, Bai, unfortunately

[real notch]

or swap eldridge for juneau

from what it's looking like

you're trying to bomb the enemy at 20s with radar airstrike

[slow totem]

That depends tho, Sirreq, if they do that (swap Eldridge out) and enemy Enterprise Owari Da’s, they ded.

[real notch]

ayanami is good option but i think wat you need more than offensive vanguard is a vanguard that survives

[slow totem]

And Cranes ain’t gonna kill enemy Enterprise before she can Owari Da

[mossy kraken]

Yes Juneau probably because foxes most of the time 2 shot me

[real notch]

ye so i would recommend swapping ayanami for juneu

[slow totem]

Aurora doesn’t matter if the backlines can’t capitalize on it.

[real notch]

well

should be ok

[native mantle]

but someone give me that advice earlier and was thinking to go with belfast, juneau and leander kai with HMS mainfleet

"Offensive:
Edin/LeanderKai/Belfast (standard CL front)
Belfast/Aurora/Leander kai (For when we get Duke of York and you want your frontline to do something)

Defensive:
Belfast/FortuneKai/Juneau (backline prot)
Belfast/Leanderkai/Juneau (staggered smoke)
Belfast/Eldridge/Juneau (anti-LuckyE)"

[slow totem]

And without Eldridge, Aurora will die very quickly once rhe enemy backline starts going.

[real notch]

imo eldridge is gonezo

[slow totem]

@native mantle Maybe that’s cause you asked for a strictly HMS fleet?

[real notch]

people are already swapping to twin 410s

eldridge gets shelled anyways i feel

[slow totem]

Is your Eldridge that paper?

[native mantle]

@slow totem nope i asked what works and cause i dunno had washington and no foxes/nagato that was mentioned

[foggy token]

eldridge is just slow af

[real notch]

she's not paper but she's

not as god tier as she was before

[foggy token]

very prone to backline fire

[real notch]

because when people were stacking triple 406mm

and enterprise

and helena

eldridge just dumpsters that entire lineup

[slow totem]

Just swap Leander Kai for someone else, like Juneau or Eldridge.

[mossy kraken]

I have HMS setup and Washington/SD I could change but I kinda like CV PvP

[real notch]

but i feel with aurora

foxes will return

[slow totem]

It’s okay, you can keep the cranes.

[real notch]

existing wasd fleets will have twin 410mm

[native mantle]

@real notch @slow totem so that would be a bad idea? brb door

[real notch]

and eldridge will just suffer EVA debuff from aurora

[slow totem]

@native mantle Yeah, I guess, depends from your enemy.

[real notch]

HMS comps? naw HMS comps are always fine

not TOP TOP tier but fine

[foggy token]

hms fleets are beginner friendly

[slow totem]

Aurora actually helps Eldridge trigger Rainbow tho?

[real notch]

LMAO i guess that's sorta true...

[idle python]

not if she dies before 20s

[real notch]

not sure how it works in practice tho

ye

[slow totem]

Don’t use her in a fleet that’s meant to do that lol

Mix and match, don’t be a one trick pony

[native mantle]

allright i ahve no foxes and no washington and would be glad about advice

[mossy kraken]

I find myself doing fine Vs HMS but the wash/SD And E+Foxes fk me so hard

[foggy token]

that wont be a problem

hms fleets gets a big buff

[real notch]

btw @foggy token i have a question about AA

[foggy token]

after research content

sure

[idle python]

This is pretty much why I don't care/give a shit about eldridge

just kill their backline

[slow totem]

Wait... JP?

[foggy token]

wao

devil

[slow totem]

Now I’m confused

[foggy token]

centaur 11/10

[slow totem]

Are we talking JP or EN?

Yikes

[idle python]

yeah centaur is some good shit

[real notch]

so in your guide it's generally twin 113mm

[foggy token]

in pve yes

in pvp its really complicated

[real notch]

no wait it's pvp

[slow totem]

We aren’t even talking the same meta here.

[real notch]

the pvp equipment suggestions tab

[native mantle]

@foggy token what buff?

[slow totem]

You play JP.

[real notch]

he's probably talking dork? or QE?

[foggy token]

im pretty sure there are options for multiple aa guns

[real notch]

alright so my Q is

[foggy token]

@native mantle neptune and monarch

[native mantle]

i ahven't either

[slow totem]

HMS Neptune, not Nep Nep, to be clear

It gets confusing

[foggy token]

thats why i said gets a buff when en gets research

[native mantle]

ahh k

[slow totem]

Two Louis, Two Neptunes

Juno and Juneau

[native mantle]

so just go with that 5x HMS and juneau setup i posted?

[foggy token]

its nice cuz you can build a strong hms fleet without event exclusive content

[slow totem]

I’m a lil’ confused on whether we should consider giving advices on what EN has now, or inc future content.

Cause the latter seems sketchy

[real notch]

well

[slow totem]

Since you can’t do it anyway

[real notch]

generally you wanna plan for future content

[foggy token]

so ina

was ur Q

lol

[real notch]

but don't itemize right now for future content

lol

[slow totem]

Oh, that’s nice, Yuyuko has a Yukikaze.

[real notch]

oh uh

[slow totem]

If only I can get one. Lol

See the problem here.

[real notch]

so from wat i know

AA dmg is additive, in that it goes thru the individual ship before getting pooled into overall dmg

[idle python]

no my point is that I never care about getting walled by eld pvp as long as you just kill their backline

[real notch]

so there's general tips of stacking dmg on high AA/high efficiency ships

[slow totem]

You are never walled as long as you aren’t a one-trick pony anyway.

[real notch]

but, RoF is also somewhat additive too

while RoF is a sigma (average) of all RoF ships

single ship RoF is affected by the reload + gun RoF

[idle python]

plus if you lose the frontline battle because of eldridge I generally find the backline bb 2ndary guns to just take care of her without much problem

[slow totem]

Yea, I usually use sniper fleets if the foe has a pesky Eldridge

[real notch]

so my q is

when do you optimize for dmg

and when do u optimize for RoF

[foggy token]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MdkDS8tiImCzpNEnQ7zan-Wb_jP1_fLuaumDV0CRlOo/edit?usp=sharing

[real notch]

because you can't do both

[foggy token]

this will expain ur question

[slow totem]

Just leave her (and Juneau) alive while the BB dies.

[foggy token]

in pvp you want to have higher rof

able to shoot aa gun twice > high damage single time

[mossy kraken]

Alright thank you everyone for helping, I'm going to trying things out with Juneau

Peace

[slow totem]

No problem, Neko, just take things one step at a time. Everyone started somewhere.

[foggy token]

currently if you want to shoot ur aa gun 3 times with gold aa guns, its cn and jp only

[real notch]

ok perfect cus that's the conclusion i arrived at

shooting twice is more important than shooting once

[slow totem]

Hehe

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[real notch]

wait

[foggy token]

i dont know the cut off rof for shooting once and twice

[real notch]

is this excel dunk's?

[foggy token]

someone gave it to me

koto

[real notch]

it looks like dunks

[slow totem]

Dunk did say he stole it from someone then improved on it.

[foggy token]

its a pretty old version

from 2 months ago

there prob is an updated somewhere

[real notch]

oh nyaruhodo

i'll just use dunks then i guess

[foggy token]

i only know the cutoff rof for shooting 2 times and 3 times

[slow totem]

Why work from scratch if others had done it for you?

[foggy token]

you need to get ur rof under 1.3 sec to shoot 3 times

[real notch]

ye i couldn't get the AA value correctly

[slow totem]

WeSmart

[real notch]

cus i know it goes thru some other calcs and is not just the base value

wait to shoot 3 times, is that taking into account reppuu speed?

cus i think reppuu usually forces the AA circle to prefire

[foggy token]

cv dont offer anything

in terms of aa guns

oh sorry i misunderstood

[real notch]

o sry i meant enemy reppuu

[foggy token]

yeah i realized

i think its based off of average

[real notch]

ye i think i am trying to get my circle to fire twice consistently

i have wasd + ent and juneau so

that's like 3/5 AA guns are UFOs

i was thinking of swapping a bofor into my sodak maybe

[coral wren]

Atm on en you want all 6 ships to have ufos?

[slow totem]

Something’s wrong with Tirpitz’ portrait.

This is the power of skins.

[real notch]

alright so that's pretty sad

this is what i ended up with

with my current setup

[native mantle]

@slow totem why exactly that fleet?

[real notch]

@foggy token is the RoF ok here or is it too low

[foggy token]

i think that rof is good to shoot twice

[slow totem]

@native mantle Tirpitz’ portrait breaks the border.

[foggy token]

i need to confirm the cutoff to shoot twice

cuz i dont know lol

[real notch]

hmm ok

do u know optimal range ? i heard it was 30

[foggy token]

30 gets the job done

and a good number

[real notch]

alrighttttt

[slow totem]

Oh, question, what’s the appeal of AA calculating?

[real notch]

sick

also how is this dmg calculated

is it the number / the amount of planes?

it's the pursuit of perfection

[slow totem]

Oh!

[real notch]

AKA it's just the optimal setup

[slow totem]

I get it now.

[foggy token]

if ur not a hard core pvp guy

dont bother

[slow totem]

All this time, I thought, is this for a project?

[real notch]

for insatiable fools like me

[slow totem]

Nah, just that I always get Gensui every season and never bothered with AA

I’m the
UFOs on frontlines
Bofors on backlines

Kind of guy

Hence my wonderings.

But that statement “pursuit of perfection” clicks in my head.

[real notch]

ye aristya that's wat i mean

[slow totem]

[real notch]

i feel there's a slight paradox for advice here

people recommend the opposite of wat izurich is saying when it comes to USS BB

[coral wren]

ufos for the backline and bofors for the front?

[real notch]

generally

because washington enterprise are high AA ships

[foggy token]

for now that can go by

[slow totem]

I’ll just switch.

[real notch]

and the (other advice) is you stack high dmg AA on high AA ships

[slow totem]

UFOs on my back, Bofors on my front. Mwahahaha!

Or... or...

ALL UFOs

[real notch]

i'm kinda confused myself

[slow totem]

🔥 🔥

[real notch]

what do i say when someone asks me what is the optimal AA gun for eldridge

[foggy token]

i think currently, that setup is ok for en

but not acceptable in other servers if you want to go optimization

in aa

[real notch]

what setup

[foggy token]

bofors front and ufo back

[real notch]

hm

what about high AA gun on high AA ship

[slow totem]

What about All UFO?

[real notch]

so UFO back and UFO on juneau

LUL

[slow totem]

I have a stockpile of UFOs from 7-2 lol

Gotta use them somehow

[foggy token]

i dont think it matters that much to put high aa gun on high aa ship

[slow totem]

So...

All UFO is good to go?

[real notch]

LUL

well i mean

[foggy token]

probably wont stop you from getting gensui

[slow totem]

Serious question, cause imma do it

[real notch]

aristya's guide says UFO on everything

so

LOL jk

[slow totem]

OK!

[foggy token]

i just modified it

[real notch]

well not rly jk

[foggy token]

thanks to you inazuma

[slow totem]

🔥 🔥

[real notch]

[foggy token]

i put a list of options for aa guns

and noted for optimization

[slow totem]

Having choices are nice

[foggy token]

all ufo is fine

[real notch]

[slow totem]

But if All UFOs still work for consistent gensui, that’s good enough.

[foggy token]

if you dont want to kill ur brain cells

[slow totem]

👌

[real notch]

aristya just edited the guide for me

[foggy token]

AA isnt a deciding factor

[slow totem]

I already have a job, no need to have a second one here, for AA.

So yes, thanks!

[coral wren]

that feel when there is nothing to kill

[slow totem]

Mwahahahaha!

[real notch]

poggers

but i didn't even do anything

[slow totem]

You bribed him.

I know it

I hacced yer webcam

Maximum Smort

[real notch]

well then

[slow totem]

[real notch]

alright

lemme see wat happens to my RoF if i swap out a UFO for bofor

wtf

it goes from 1.47 to 1.42

only

fuck i forgot about efficiency

this calculator doesn't autofill for efficiency

3346 --> 3397
1.47 --> 1.42

i am starting to understand

the deepest secrets of AA

[native mantle]

wtf what in my message wasn't allowed that the bot blocked it....

[coral wren]

probably some words from the blacklist

[real notch]

hentai?

[native mantle]

again....

[coral wren]

i'm surprised that word reetard is blacklisted

[native mantle]

@real notch so after i finished my business, going with that and any other BB/CV instead of moanrch/duke until i got one of them?

ya know what the word was?

I R L

[coral wren]

lol

[real notch]

sry wdym

[coral wren]

no irl for those who play mobile anime games, buddy 😄

[native mantle]

i had some real life business so i wasn't able look in all ya answer s before

[real notch]

uhh you can just use HMS now

they're fine

there's nothing wrong with HMS

dork will make them stronger

[native mantle]

so waht should i take instead of duke/monarch?

dork?

[coral wren]

duke of york 😄

aka dork

[native mantle]

ahh

[real notch]

ye

dork isn't in the game so u can have

[coral wren]

she is dork tho, based on her voice lines

[real notch]

QE hood warspite

[coral wren]

fuck her

with an anchor

[native mantle]

@real notch so cause i ahve no aurora and we have no hms neptune now take fortune K or is ayanami good too?

[real notch]

ye

sure

personally i would not recommend ayanami in an HMS fleet

but you can

[coral wren]

Should I replace Laffey with Ayanami once I get her retrofitted? Or replace Eldridge?

[real notch]

if i were to pick, i would choose belfast, fortune, jueanu

[native mantle]

yeah but that yukkikaze is no HMS too and its listed

[real notch]

yea but that's because yukikaze is yukikaze

have u seen YKKZs skills

[native mantle]

nope

/wiki yukikaze

[strange moat]

Z23 Sensei

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Yukikaze
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Yukikaze_Questline

Dec 16, 2018, 9:25 PM

[real notch]

she's almost as broken as enterprse

[native mantle]

she is like a essex with that 1?

[foggy token]

i dont think essex is broken

[real notch]

uhh

sorta like essex but

[foggy token]

very strong

[real notch]

ye essex is not broken

[foggy token]

but not broken enough

[real notch]

she forces the rest of the team to build around her

[native mantle]

i jsut thought to take ayanami so i can later use her for that IJN fleet

[real notch]

anyways @foggy token i fuked up

i put in enterprise as a 6th ship but the guide apparently says i should just leave it empty

so now my RoF is 1.57

i swapped my sodak UFO into a bofors tho

down to 1.53

[foggy token]

how did that go

you can slap a 12.7 mm gun on enterprise

im pretty sure thats what the guide said

[real notch]

oh

nani

[foggy token]

scroll down

[real notch]

ooh

wait this doesn't change RoF

[native mantle]

so frotune for now only for the hms fleet or take ayanami(still need a way to get her somehow) to ahve she rdy for IJN?

[real notch]

nah fortune is strong throughout

[foggy token]

i dont really recommend ayanami in pvp

[real notch]

she's viable in other fleets but indispensable in HMS

[native mantle]

allright

[real notch]

ya i would say no ayanami

[native mantle]

/wiki fortune

[strange moat]

Z23 Sensei

Azur Lane Wiki

Multiple results found

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Fortune
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Fortune_Kai
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Fortune/History

Dec 16, 2018, 9:30 PM

[real notch]

but u seem like u like ayaya so

[foggy token]

fk i typed wrong

ayanami is like a condom

you use her for a opening torp

and shes pretty much done

[real notch]

lol

btw how do u calculate the cutoff for 2 shots

[foggy token]

u dont

[real notch]

i can try to do it

[foggy token]

i think its empirical

[native mantle]

will yukikaze be in the same event like nagato?

[foggy token]

yes

[real notch]

so... ask some other theorycrafters?

[foggy token]

yeah, that info i outsourced

i never confirmed myself

[native mantle]

b-b-b-b-but there is no nagato!!!!

[real notch]

that's visitors dyed

[foggy token]

oh oops

wrong event

[real notch]

you are looking at ink stained sakura for nagamon

[foggy token]

yukikaze came with the rerun

my bad

[native mantle]

ya fooled me. that make 10 whip-strikes!!!!^^

[real notch]

is this some wichita roleplay

[native mantle]

hey i love the raw dmg from wichita^^

[real notch]

alright aristya i'm gonna ask my sources

for 2 shot cutoff

hopefully we can figure out soon

[foggy token]

consider cutoff for firing 3 times is 1.3 seconds

[native mantle]

so I'm just missing hood and QE atm ...that quewen dunno drop....

[foggy token]

under 1.7 sec should be good

or you can test it with ur current set up

see if the numbers flash two times

[real notch]

under 1.7?

that's so high

btw on another note why quad mag over quint mag?

[native mantle]

winter crown could be the next event right?

so duke should be not take that long

[foggy token]

quint mag longer reload, shittier spread

but each torp still does the same damage

[real notch]

nyaruhodone

[foggy token]

use rainbow if you have rainbow quint

otherwise quad mag

[real notch]

@native mantle yea hopefully

[native mantle]

could ya imagine if enty was a HMS and no USS?^^

[foggy token]

japan wouldve won ww2

[real notch]

hood wouldn't have been sunk

[native mantle]

i mean that the HMS would then be much stronger with enty in it as a hms?^^

[real notch]

considering how some HMS run enterprise anyways

yea if she was HMS that'd be nutty

[native mantle]

or if QE wasn't only a statliner^^

if i just would get a QE.....

[mellow knoll]

is this the fight club?

[real notch]

ye

[coral wren]

damn, just realized we won't be getting jb event anytime soon...

[modern shoal]

The aircraft you can buy in the event is that a powerful one?

Not pvp worth or?

[abstract cypress]

meme155 is bad

have no bombs, u want it for aa, mb at world 12

[foggy token]

meme155 to adjust ur strike cd

highly situational plane

sometimes getting that 0.5-1 sec faster cd can improve overall team synergy

such as working with helena debuff, shelling time etc

other than that, meme155 has no value

[abstract cypress]

also dont buy it from shop, u could get it in ironblood gold box @modern shoal

[modern shoal]

Good to know, what about the 380mm?

[real notch]

decent not amazing

[real notch]

lunar u have to get rid of enterprise

replace it with Empty

[grave gale]

switching the ufo from washington to ayanami lowers the max damage and dps but improves the rof.

[real notch]

looks about right

my RoF is 1.52 now

with 3x bofor 2x UFO

it was 1.57 with 2x bofor 3x UFO

seems like juneau makes a huge diff

according to the excel, she adds 1000+ dmg just by herself

[grave gale]

This is what it becomes if I switch out Ayanami to Juneau.

If rof is king, she makes it worse.

[real notch]

well, i mean rof is sorta king

more like rof is president and dmg is vice president

in a free-trade democratic society

[modern tree]

arent planes in pvp too fast to bother with anything that isnt range and damage up front?

[real notch]

nah, it's possible to fire twice within 1 AA circle

which is why RoF is president

[grave gale]

Tried switching Washington and Juneau's guns and this calculator confirms that 113 is better for Jun than bofor in every way

[real notch]

ye the dmg is just too much

of a loss if u don't use UFO

[odd schooner]

Have you tried pompoms

[vague token]

does anyone use that blue AA gun with .37 speed base on aya? xD

[real notch]

bruh i am not the pom pom guy for no reason

[odd schooner]

[real notch]

i am the master of pompoms

[odd schooner]

No i mean pompoms on juneau

[real notch]

oh

no

why

for the RoF?

[vague token]

i mean, do we really expect her to do anything with .75 efficiency and no aa stat?

xD

ufos for the rest

it's like .33 before reload

[odd schooner]

I haven't really seen pompoms on paper

But seems like oldies suggest at least 1

[real notch]

wait nani

juneau 75% efficiency?

[vague token]

no aya

[real notch]

oh ok

[vague token]

lol, juneau has 360 aa stat or w/e, not gonna waste that with that meme gun

[real notch]

errr ye ... ayanami is probably best with bofor or something

[odd schooner]

Juneau has 400

[vague token]

xD

but yeah, im trying the 12.7 browning on aya, i feel like i can sneak in one more shot nowadays

[real notch]

yea pompom was originally regarded as the best aa gun

but i think

[vague token]

cause it pulls the rof lower with averaging

[real notch]

the range is a big discount

[vague token]

err higher

[real notch]

i wouldn't swap a UFO for a pompom cus u lose 10 range on the swap

[vague token]

wish i had some bofors for wasd

xD

[real notch]

they gave away so many bofors during FW

[vague token]

i only got 1 =(

[real notch]

[vague token]

but i have 4 ufos so i guess it cancels out

[odd schooner]

Nono, you'd swap a bofor for a pompom

Somewhat 3 ufo 2 Bofors 1 pompom

[real notch]

oh

maybe if i had 6 ships

but i run 1 CV so less options xd

[vague token]

i mean fighters are ok so it's fine lol

[odd schooner]

6 hours had past and no one's moving

[real notch]

hmm angeryy

[odd schooner]

Left guy is below +35

If i atk him now, it's +10

[real notch]

how do u know

[odd schooner]

Cause he atked earlier

Then i try to check top 80-100

Do rough estimation

[real notch]

[odd schooner]

Then he stopped

Same thing happened on last reset

[vague token]

oh, goodie, i can buy the rainbow torps

now to toss on aya

[odd schooner]

I'm using it on Belfast

[vague token]

ill probably move the gold ones to eldridge or belfast

[real notch]

same

[vague token]

still have a billion torpedo plates lol

[odd schooner]

@livid fractal

@real notch glad i waited out lmao the other person pushed

[real notch]

lol xd nice

isn't that switch guy someone from teh server

xd

[odd schooner]

Ye he's here

[subtle whale]

aurora uses he gun right

[real notch]

ye

[grave gale]

belgun

she should also be carrying the pearl since she's fragile

[subtle whale]

im using uss backline

so jenaue aurora cleveland?

[real notch]

that works

i personally would swap cleveland for belfast

[subtle whale]

i just to murder all eldridge without swapping team

[real notch]

ye eldridge is pretty murderable now

with rainbow magtorps and twin 410mm fleets

poggers finally got all mag torps for my pvp fleet

Poggers i see my first maxed hms fleet

[grave gale]

my eldridge is still frequently the last vanguard left standing.

I don't know how she can outlive the others.

off tank spot too

[real notch]

time to reset test

i'm getting some surprising results

[odd schooner]

How surprising

Glad they marry best girl too

Someting is wrong with that fleet req

13k on hms backline

Someone's using a gold gun

[real notch]

according to recluse 13k is maxed fleetpower tho

[odd schooner]

The spite isn't oathed

[real notch]

oh xd ye prolly cus he's waiting for dork

i originally thought 12.8 was maxed for HMS

but recluse maxed his hms and said it was 13k so

[odd schooner]

Max oath

[real notch]

yee

[odd schooner]

Non oathed spite meand something is wrong

[grave gale]

Using the new gold german gun?

[finite valve]

question
is hms dork going to win against nagaka or just another meta changer until lolito come out?

[real notch]

what's the new gold german gun?

the 380?

[odd schooner]

380mm

Ap

[real notch]

twin right?

[odd schooner]

Dork shells are unreliable from i read

Ye twin

[real notch]

mayb

his whole backline is twin

i assume it's twin 410mm tho

alright my testing's done

OceanParking (Queen elizabeth, warspite, hood | leander, juneau, belfast) 13.0/12.6
me: (south dakota, washington, enterprise | juneau, belfast, eldridge) 13.2/12.5
game 1 - loss
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - win
game 7 - win
game 8 - win
game 9 - win
game 10 - win
game 11 - loss
game 12 - win (washington vs. ws)

so i thought it was interesting cus i lost first game but

i think it was just unlucky

overall pretty hard matchup - i can say HMS fleets do well vs. wasd

also, i intentionally put my ent to get sniped by his hood/ws as in the positioning

to mimic what it'd be like for HMS offense

[odd schooner]

Aren't these 2 top 1 and 2 last reset. Hope they push

[real notch]

lose condition is if ent gets sniped by 30sec

win condition is if ent lands 2 airstrikes

basically what it boils down to