pvp

[spiral hull]

she's good to counter E, definitely. But idk, there's ways to not be bothered with E at all without using eldridge too

[vague token]

i mean, besides switch main fleet comp

not really

[spiral hull]

410 on washi, facing enty and a 406 HFCR sodak take care of her quite alright

hakagas dont have a problem with her either

[real notch]

ye the E counter will always remain

[vague token]

i dont think my wash will ever be able to kill e pre first strike

410 or not

xD

[real notch]

but before, eld used to counter BBs with 406mm too

[spiral hull]

who cares about first strike

[real notch]

which made her top tier

[spiral hull]

first lucky e cant even kill a vanguard unless there's helena debuff

[vague token]

uh, 2x damage will destroy most destroyers

lol

[spiral hull]

no it doesnt

[vague token]

unless it's fortune

with 230 evade

[spiral hull]

im literally using laffey aya nimi vanguard right now they dont die to first lucky e

[vague token]

i cant get ayanami to soak 1

much less with any chip torps

to drop me under 2k hp

which is highly likely

[real notch]

they shouldn't die to JUST lucky E but

[spiral hull]

i've never had my destroys get obliterated on first lucky E

[vague token]

or a 410

from literally anyone

[real notch]

some BB salvos landing and a lucky E

and that should be pretty near dead

[spiral hull]

BB salvos hitting can be pain yea

i should raise my jav skill and replace nimi with her

[vague token]

it's basically, if enemy has belfast with any torp support from other ships, you can say goodbye to destroyers with no eldridge on lucky e

you just take too much damage beforehand

[spiral hull]

not unless u take 3 or more torp hits tho

and that doesnt happen a lot

[vague token]

i mean, a 600 torp hit

is plenty

that'll punt you under 2k

[spiral hull]

idk there must be some higher gear entys you're facing

🤷

[vague token]

i mean i see the 12.5-just under 13k

xD

it hurts

[real notch]

hmm

[vague token]

it literally only takes 1 aya torp, 1 410 hit from anyone

[real notch]

yea i see wat u guys are saying

also depends what aux you're holding

[spiral hull]

12.5-13k fleet entys dont kill my destroyers on first lucky E

like

it might happen 1 or 2 times

but you're generalising

that is definitely not the case

[vague token]

i mean, it's high odds

of either killing or crippling

[real notch]

when my fortune had tookit + rainbow dildo, she often died on the first backline proc

when i swapped to 2x defensive aux, that happened a lot less

[vague token]

fortune also has the highest base evade

so doesnt really count for average destroyers lol

and doesnt include her own personal invuln

fortune has high odds of not dying

at 20s

[spiral hull]

second highest, but yea close enough

[vague token]

xD

[spiral hull]

i use lunchbox/tear on laffey, lunchbox/boiler on nimi and lunchbox/oxytorp on aya atm

[vague token]

i mean we all use lunchbox on our destroyers

[spiral hull]

all +10 except the boiler i think

[vague token]

lol

if only main fleets got damage nerfed so we could see more vanguard action

xD

[spiral hull]

that would be interesting

[real notch]

well

aurora and sendai are the start of the vanguard variety culling

it's really hard to come up with another viable vanguard comp if wherever you go those 2 ships just gut your EVA from the start

[vague token]

CA bois

i was trying black heart

she did same damage as juneau

xD

[slow totem]

Level 120 when for CA blessing?

[real notch]

ye when 120 comes along saint louis should shake things up

[vague token]

rip dps cas

[slow totem]

[vague token]

those guns just whiff too much

[real notch]

portkai and mogami kai

[vague token]

portkai has so much EHP lol

[spiral hull]

i wonder if they give us w10 next patch, will they give cap break too

[slow totem]

Only 105 tho

Not enough...

[real notch]

can't wait for that

actually i might need some more time

i used too many cubes this event

[vague token]

lol

[spiral hull]

you used them on the "event" huh

[real notch]

LMFAO

[slow totem]

Hehehe

[vague token]

ive only built like 3 special, 3 light yesterday/today

[real notch]

TRUE

[slow totem]

Close enough

[spiral hull]

i spent 60 on event, then ~100 on light

[vague token]

xD

[spiral hull]

i got freaking benson from light (which i didnt have earlier) but no aurora or louis

[real notch]

omfg don't even mention benson

i got that fukin bunny so many times

[vague token]

i forgot the monthly ships go into the pool

xD

[real notch]

i think grand total in the end

[vague token]

i havent built light in a while

[real notch]

i got 7 or 8 sandys

4 belfasts

[slow totem]

Light Build is really hell

[real notch]

i had to pray to RNGjesus for aurora

but ye will be interesting to see what comps aurora f its in

[edgy kiln]

isn't the CN tier list has her on the top one?

Duke, Wash, Dakota, Aya, Jint, Aur

[vague token]

-20% evade is one hell of a drug

[grave gale]

CAs are flat out better than CLs come level 120

Better survivability, better damage.

[vague token]

i mean CLs dont have damage besides belfast

those guns just dont do dps

xD

and most of the CLs dont have a damage steroid

[slow totem]

@edgy kiln CN’s codebase is different from JP, and EN uses JP as the codebase. Never use CN’s tierlist unless you play CN.

Can’t stress that enough, damn, EN AL really needs more English resources and info.

[edgy kiln]

what exactly different about it except for lv 120?

[vague token]

need better/fuller skill descriptions would be nice

have you read operation rainbow? xD

[slow totem]

@edgy kiln JP has lvl 120 too.

How the evasion works, how hit works, how damage is calculated. There are differences that makes the exact same comp in JP doesn’t work in CN, vice versa.

[vague token]

isnt Base Accuracy still a hidden stat

in CN?

[pastel forge]

iirc the difference is more apparent for pvp, who knows about pve

[vague token]

why is that a thing lol

[grave gale]

CN is basically a testing server where they come up with ideas then JP refines them and we got the refined one.

[slow totem]

There is nothing hidden to data miners.

[vague token]

true, but why do we have to jump through hoops xD

[slow totem]

[vague token]

like, is it so hard to add one more line to the stat page

for the UI?

i mean i know good UIs are actually hard to make

like, it's a whole thing

but yeesh

put all the stats on there

hit is important for pvp

xD

[spiral hull]

arent they working on updating the UI anyway, like iirc that's the reason they don't take UI feedbacks in #game-feedback iirc

maybe they'll add it when they do that

or maybe not

[pastel forge]

ye, stuff like accuracy, speed, etc. no real reason not to show them

[spiral hull]

it's not even like it's hush hush hidden stats anyway

when they give auxs which raise those stats

and some retros too

[vague token]

it's kinda annoying too, cause i dont know how much "+35" hit is

without knowing the bases

[spiral hull]

it's actually pretty high compared to the base

[vague token]

i just accept from CN/JP players that

"stack hit yo"

[spiral hull]

i dont think there's any ship having above 200 base hit

[vague token]

so im like ok

i dont know why it's good

[spiral hull]

they usually range from 100-200

[vague token]

im just told it is xD

[spiral hull]

so 35 is a big increase to the base

[vague token]

yeah

[spiral hull]

but then we dont even know how much 150 hit is supposed to be in %

lul

[vague token]

which goes back to the formulas

xD

[high flume]

What's the best Eagle Union PvP comp rn?

[urban coral]

Wasd with enty or hood

[high flume]

Currently I'm using : Enty, WA, SD ----> 2 god cards

[vague token]

i like ark royal but she dies really easily

[high flume]

*3

[spiral hull]

that's a bad vanguard for pvp, top tier for meme

[vague token]

you lose any trade against E fleets

xD

[high flume]

should I replace Wichita then?

[spiral hull]

wichita definitely, cleveland too if you have a good option

helena is upto u

[high flume]

I thought Helena + Cleve were fine

[spiral hull]

cleve is ok, there's better options though

[high flume]

Who sould I use then

any rec?

[real notch]

helena cleveland are fine

[spiral hull]

juneau is gonna take u a long way if you wanna fight highly geared fleets

[real notch]

but there could be better options

[grave gale]

I think helena is one of the best options with wasd

[spiral hull]

then there's aurora (new in construction, not aVrora), belfast, eldridge, fortune kai

helena is great with wasd

[real notch]

ye once eldridge disappears she'll be better

[high flume]

So ...helena + Juneau + Aurora is the best EU vanguard en?

[grave gale]

eldridge doesn't stop the back from taking 40% damage yknow

when that radar pops, those BB shells are gonna do extra back damage

[real notch]

uh

[high flume]

eldridge is so inconsistent imo

[real notch]

ye eldridge is proc-based but she's guaranteed proc

because her proc isn't time-locked

[high flume]

She always got nuked so early by Akaga

[vague token]

you dont run eldridge against akaga

you put belfast

[real notch]

if i were to theorycraft, i'd use belfast, juneau, aurora

as the optimal frontline comp

[high flume]

@real notch why no helena tho? 20% dmg buff is huge lol

especially if you pock Lucky E during those duration

*proc

[grave gale]

I don't think there's much point in using aurora if you aren't using foxes

[real notch]

i prefer to go for consistency

[spiral hull]

it's not a 20% dmg buff, it's a 40% dmg debuff with a 60% chance of proc'ing

[vague token]

helena doesnt do as much for offense

as she does for defense

[real notch]

i don't like how she's 60% procrate

[vague token]

since she can force resets

as a gamble

but since offense already has a damage boost

you are adding overkill

instead of anything useful

[real notch]

ye i would maybe use helena for defense to force resets tho

which is basically how i always valued helena

is that she's a T0 defense fleet vanguard

but even then there are some very competitive alternatives

[high flume]

Since I still haven't got AUrora, is it better for me to go Juneau + Helena + Cleve

[real notch]

like belfast and juneau

belfast is unmatched in CL dps

[high flume]

or should I replace cleve with belfast

[real notch]

juneau is god

[vague token]

belfast cannot be topped for CL dps xD

[real notch]

literally jesus, she dies for ur sins

[high flume]

So..pre Aurora... Juneau + Belfast + helena is the best comb?

[idle python]

Well with the announcement of Lulu she probably will be topped by another ship soon™

[real notch]

ye maybe jintsuu

i'm more excited for sendai tho

[idle python]

Though the smoke is obv nice vs foxes

[spiral hull]

sendai still w11

😦

[real notch]

yea like we are just talking belfast dps

haven't even gone into her excellent skill against foxes yet

[high flume]

Btw.. why Helena over clevebro?

Is she that bad?

[spiral hull]

cuz her debuff synchs perfectly with wasden

[vague token]

clevebro is a stat boat

[idle python]

Cleve has bad proc chance

[vague token]

not a skill boat

[real notch]

cleveland is not bad

she is just not meta

[spiral hull]

cleve is a solid filler for when you don't have the ideal vanguard ships

[real notch]

there are other skills more valuable than a cruiser buff and an AA buff (and dps debuff)

[idle python]

Yeah p much what zuyi said

Decent as a filler but not really good

[spiral hull]

i ran cleve helena bel for SO LONG cuz i just didnt wanna raise jun

but then you have to raise jun in the end

[real notch]

belfast helena cleveland was like

season 1

september 2018 meta vanguard

lol

[spiral hull]

excuse u i started 2 months late

[real notch]

[slow totem]

thonk

[hidden wyvern]

[high flume]

@real notch Wait.. Juneau already around during that time too right? (Sept) Why she wasn't meta?

[spiral hull]

cuz we were all new

like the server

[pastel forge]

my juneau is ready soon, so what's her best position from you guys experience?

[slow totem]

People were new.

[spiral hull]

i mean, except me, i didn't exist

[real notch]

just information dissemination

[slow totem]

Front, of course. She must die

[real notch]

people didn't know the optimal comp in EN environment

[slow totem]

🔥 🔥

[odd schooner]

1 hour to go and no one's moving

[idle python]

[real notch]

i mean there were some juneaus, but the vast majority was still on the helena/belfast/cleveland thing

[odd schooner]

I'm out of refresh

[slow totem]

Or Prinz and Portland

Cause PvP = MMO.

[spiral hull]

dude prinz

[pastel forge]

it's simply not efficient to raise juneau early, useless in pve

[spiral hull]

i remember so many prinz when i was new

free win/10

[real notch]

man this season is feelsgood for me

[odd schooner]

I never used cleveland

[real notch]

i didn't miss a match

[odd schooner]

[high flume]

Will there also a new EU ship that has a similar skill to Nagato? (buff to all EU units)

[real notch]

and now i'm always 2/10 in top 10

[pastel forge]

same inazuma lol

[untold folio]

My frontline is Helena aya eld

[spiral hull]

i havent missed a match so far too

[untold folio]

lusty eld is guaranteed victory tbh

[spiral hull]

but no extra points for me

[pastel forge]

I might try for #1 at season end

[untold folio]

A lot of times

[spiral hull]

lusty eld is guaranteed victory

fvr living in november

[leaden jay]

Found an interesting green comp. in PvP

[untold folio]

I barely had to reset this season

[real notch]

assuming i don't fuk up like a noob i'll be able to hit r1 ez

[untold folio]

Ever

[real notch]

LLOL nice comp

[untold folio]

lol

[spiral hull]

thats a nice comp yo

i wanna show u guys my lolis

[leaden jay]

I doubt there's any real synergy

[spiral hull]

wait up

[untold folio]

I mean right now I’m trying to find a consistent fleet

That doesn’t need resets

[real notch]

@high flume there is no EU faction right now, there is ironblood and royal navy

[odd schooner]

Who resets nowadays

[high flume]

fcken bulbasour team

[odd schooner]

[untold folio]

Lusty eld is working pretty well

[real notch]

ironblood has Z formation vanguard buff

[slow totem]

Post all your defense fleets, bru

[real notch]

and royal navy has queen elizabeth

[untold folio]

Also I don’t change my gear on lusty

So it’s a lazy option too

Lusty gear is pretty bad rn tho reeee

[slow totem]

Mine was Ark Royal - Mutsukis, and now, it’s Santaprise - Santadridge

[spiral hull]

tfw graf has white hair and red eyes, but is too old for this team

[untold folio]

Is me-155 a good alternative

[real notch]

damn

wait a minute

[untold folio]

She doesn’t do any damage anyways

[real notch]

still no bananas?

[untold folio]

Might as well add aa

[spiral hull]

i dont have bananas yet either

[slow totem]

🍌

[real notch]

damn

o ya...

[untold folio]

Remember

[real notch]

so stupid... just open thenm

[spiral hull]

and i am NOT going to use akaga until i get a banana

[untold folio]

lol

[high flume]

@real notch JP will get Nagato (which has simialr skill as Elizabeth I think)? I just curious if Eu will also get a ship with similar skill. I don't have a time rn to check the wiki

[spiral hull]

fok it

[slow totem]

What’s EU...??

[spiral hull]

mi lolis

[untold folio]

Right now I’m using hms with lusty hood

[slow totem]

[high flume]

Eagle Union

[untold folio]

European Union

[real notch]

@high flume like i said, there is no "EU" ship, there is ironblood and there is royal navy

[pastel forge]

I should really start 3-4 again, no kaga yet lol

[real notch]

ironblood has Z formation

royal navy has queen elizabeth

[slow totem]

Oh, you’re talking about Essex

searchal Essex

[hidden wyvern]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&search=Essex

[slow totem]

She’s da Graf/QE/Nagato of Eagle.

[untold folio]

Uh she doesn’t

Lol

[slow totem]

Close enough.

[untold folio]

it’s reversed iirc

[slow totem]

Who else fit more?

[real notch]

ye u should get twinfox soon @pastel forge

[slow totem]

From Eagles.

[real notch]

i predict twinfoxes will return to meta

[high flume]

Yo, isn't Essex kinda broken if paired with enty?

[untold folio]

Reversed

[grave gale]

Nobody because US doesn't have a proper QE

US is too strong

[slow totem]

She no sells foxes.

[untold folio]

Essex is just used to counter foxes iirc

[slow totem]

Yeah, no sell NaKaGas

[real notch]

essex is a CV counter yes

[slow totem]

Essex is better paired with WaSD

[untold folio]

Her stats is really good too tbh

[slow totem]

NaKaGa stall galore.

Make those furries cry.

[untold folio]

My lusty hood hms fleet counts wasd pretty well

Counters

[real notch]

[untold folio]

just snipe the wash and ez

[real notch]

i still giggle at ur memes fvr

[untold folio]

It’s not a meme

Reeee

I use lusty for love

[real notch]

KEK

[pastel forge]

[slow totem]

Mad respec

Metas get stale, love stays forever

[idle python]

I'm not too big of a fan of Essex as a standalone in pvp

Only pretty good vs nakaga

[untold folio]

I mean I reset once this entire season

Against an akaga

[idle python]

Essex with enty and centaur is different though obv

[untold folio]

I mean I could easily just limit break both foxes

[high flume]

Wait, Essex's skill stack with the # of cv (or cvl) in our team right? Why not pair her with Enty?

[untold folio]

And go akaga enty/akaga hood

[slow totem]

Cause oddly enough, Essex works better with WASD

[untold folio]

@high flume pair with whoever you want

[grave gale]

Really only need to reset if Eld fails to proc on a lucky e at the start with Helena's radar debuff

[slow totem]

But nothing stopping you from pairing her with Enty

[untold folio]

Yeah that

[real notch]

essex counts how many USS shisp

[untold folio]

Eld will never not proc with lusty shield LUL

Found an excuse to user lusty in pvp haha

[high flume]

@real notch only USS CV or CVL though not Battleship/cruiser

[odd schooner]

You can counter foxes now actually

[grave gale]

There is no need to counter foxes. Wasd is stronger than them until Nagato

[odd schooner]

Their big wall is wasd hood with fortune

[untold folio]

I mean when I run hms I use bel Juneau and eld

I have no issue against wasd

I have some issues against foxes

[real notch]

i was talking about this skill

[untold folio]

What about that skill

[odd schooner]

Same with ykkz skill

[real notch]

when i said she counts USS ships

well

i cant' wait till i get

aurora to 95

with lvl 10 dawn

then we will begin the testing again

[slow totem]

Aurora vs Aurora pog

Then it’d be a matter on which SoDak can one shot which opposing Aurora first.

[real notch]

ye

or i would just straight up run aurora with foxes

[grave gale]

aurora will melt quickly no matter what

she's fragile

[odd schooner]

Wait how are you having issue against foxes if you're using hms

[real notch]

the faster you wipe their vanguard the faster you get some juicy touchdown dmg

[untold folio]

searchal aurora

[hidden wyvern]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&search=aurora

[untold folio]

what does she do again?

[grave gale]

aurora will quickly die with all the magentic torps going around

[odd schooner]

20% eva down

[abstract cypress]

nothing

[odd schooner]

She's too soft rn

[real notch]

especially with wasd fleets, when their vanguards die they'll be running an AA mix composed of pure dmg (no rof) with UFOs

[grave gale]

I think right now she's only good for the fox opening hit

[real notch]

so when foxes first reppuus fly in

[untold folio]

So the dd counter

[real notch]

it pre-ticks their AA circle

[high flume]

WTF...Sandy Tier 0 in CN/JP o.0

[real notch]

then you get full dmg touchdown on hellcats and cudas

[odd schooner]

UFO Bofors pompom

[spiral hull]

uses bot for own use in a channel outside #bot-spam
doesn't open the link to the ship he searched
asks others what that ship does instead of reading the darn page

@untold folio do u wanna get a whack

[odd schooner]

3 2 1

[untold folio]

That’s sandy kai

not sandy

I opened it

Zuyi why are you so mean

[odd schooner]

He always is

[untold folio]

Jesus we were talking about aurora

[spiral hull]

dont use bot for urself in random channels u know ily

[untold folio]

Like searching that was on topic

[odd schooner]

zuyi were you by any chance playing Elsword/GBF

[spiral hull]

i play(ed) GBF

[untold folio]

some dude above searched Essex

[odd schooner]

From casuals?

[untold folio]

Like do you have something against me tbh

[abstract cypress]

[real notch]

[spiral hull]

yes i was in casuals, you can ping me in #off-topic or dm or something to ask about my sad gbf days

also, for everyone, not just Fvr, but also for Fvr cuz i love him -
Don't use bot commands for your own use in channels outside #bot-spam ty xoxo

btw im using a Heles pfp, she's best girl

[untold folio]

Wait what

[spiral hull]

she probably wiped the enemy vanguard or something

[untold folio]

I wasn’t paying attention

[real notch]

that's a rare sight

[untold folio]

That’s more damage than enty and hood combined

[real notch]

but u almost died

[spiral hull]

oh yea earlier today

[untold folio]

Wait how do you see that I almost died

[spiral hull]

an enemy washi got erased from the fkn map at 4:38

cuz the enemy eldridge procc'd oprainbow and my laffey/aya/nimi kai all barraged together

[untold folio]

You can do that with ws hood

[spiral hull]

and she was right behind

felt so good

[real notch]

were u using foxes?

or just some starter DD barrage

oh LMAO

[spiral hull]

like literally full > 0

im like

[real notch]

shoulda recorded it

[spiral hull]

ikrrr

[untold folio]

Wait i still don’t get how 30k damage is possible

frontline has 10k damage in total at max

[pastel forge]

I should try jav/aya/laffey front for meme lol

[spiral hull]

each torp does 1-2.5k iirc

[untold folio]

You can’t hit back line within aya

[abstract cypress]

my highest is 25k, and it with normal quint

[spiral hull]

i wanna use jav but my jav kai skill is still lvl 1

[abstract cypress]

her retro barrage can delete backline

[grave gale]

Aya's torps can hit the back

[untold folio]

Yeah but only the initial exchange

[spiral hull]

barrage torps go a long way

[untold folio]

Also I’m using 610 quad

[pastel forge]

[spiral hull]

im talking about barrage torps that go in a straight line >>>

[grave gale]

demon dance's barrage also wrecks the back if she's in front of one of them when it goes off

[spiral hull]

^

thats what happened except with 3 kais and not just 1

[untold folio]

30k damage is never seen before

A fleet doesn’t even have 30k health sometimes

[odd schooner]

Someone's moving

[grave gale]

30k is pretty common for the back

[spiral hull]

then i ts time to git gud and use meme comps and drop ur lusty-eld

[abstract cypress]

or u could just remove all shit on other ships and makes aya wipe em all

[untold folio]

Lusty eld is my only excuse

To use lusty

reeee

[grave gale]

Everybody in PVP has double the HP. The full back is 12000 x 3

[untold folio]

oh

Didn’t even know that

[grave gale]

Never noticed how much Juneau heals?

[real notch]

indeed

[odd schooner]

I'm good with double boiler now

Don't think I'll need a 3rd one

What the ex veteran said was right ytd

[spiral hull]

oh no havent done dailies

[odd schooner]

35 minutes to go

[livid fractal]

[vague token]

gasp

[spiral hull]

6 hardmodes

i can do it

[pastel forge]

[untold folio]

https://streamable.com/58taf

someone tell me

Where did all aya’s damage come from

I don’t see it

[vague token]

demon dance?

[untold folio]

watch the video

[vague token]

ok xD

[untold folio]

I don’t see any significant hits

[vague token]

yeah there was a demon dance

at least 1 HE bullet hit sodak for 600

[real notch]

ya u did 7k

to the mid ship

[vague token]

and i think a torp hit E

[real notch]

more importantly

LMFAO

[untold folio]

26k

[real notch]

DUDE

that's my roommate

you're fighting

[untold folio]

Does not equal

[real notch]

LMFAOO

[untold folio]

600

:/

:/

[real notch]

holy shit

small world

[vague token]

i mean you get 26 he bullets dude

i was just watching for a number

xD

[spiral hull]

her barrages were constantly fully hitting the frontline fully, she did dmg at the start, her first kai-barrage torp hit the main a bit, her second kai-barrage cleared out the vanguard

her barrage is HE btw

and vanguard = light armor

[livid fractal]

I saw two demon dance

[spiral hull]

ya both demon dances made contact

[untold folio]

yeah but both only hit like

2 torps on demon dance

[real notch]

that's funny

i haven't even fought my roommate yet

[vague token]

i mean, 1 torp is about 1.6k

[real notch]

and u happened to record the fight against him

[vague token]

no buff

[untold folio]

It clearly didn’t do as much as enty

[spiral hull]

the second demon dance wiped the remaining vanguards

[untold folio]

where enty nuked the entire back line

[spiral hull]

also the torps at the very start

[untold folio]

is there a way to slow mo that

I don’t believe the numbers work

[vague token]

xD

aya works so hard for you and you dont even believe her

[untold folio]

Because aya is consistently getting mvp

[vague token]

harsh

[untold folio]

That’s not correct in pvp

[spiral hull]

watch the vid 500 times, pausing at each instant and recording all damage you can

[untold folio]

frontline isn’t supposed to

be mvp

[spiral hull]

frontline can sometimes

[grave gale]

My aya is as max as she can possibly be and doesn't get mvp often

[vague token]

aya is like the one who can lol

[grave gale]

It's usually Enterprise

[untold folio]

I get mvp almost every match

[vague token]

ive definitely had her hit 26k to match wash or E

just not as often

[untold folio]

Yeah but previous instance

She did more than e and hood combined

[spiral hull]

i mean its possible, the others have timed attacks while she has more barrages and devastating torps and also her kai barrage torps hit hard cuz of her base torp stat

also the fact that u got lusty to not do dmg

helps increase the other ships' dmg

like if u had another strong backline exchanging hard blows, it would reduce the vanguard's dmg

[untold folio]

stop flaming lusty

[spiral hull]

[untold folio]

she works well with eld

ok let me do my remaining 3 attempts

[slow totem]

I love non-meta comps now. Winning with wacky comps > winning with tryhard meta comps.

[abstract cypress]

lusty on enemy = ez win

[untold folio]

And show damage graph

[slow totem]

Mix-and-match, see what works.

Defense fleet is quite irrelevant except for a specific moment for a specific purpose anyway.

[real notch]

i need some ideas for wacky comps

i'm so lazy to test

[untold folio]

my comp is pretty wack lol

[abstract cypress]

kms fleet

[untold folio]

kms fleet doesn’t even work

[slow totem]

Hood, NoCal, Lusty - Sandy Cleveland Juneau

They managed to pop ALL of Akaga’s planes one time

[abstract cypress]

imbuilding it
soon ™

[slow totem]

POG

[untold folio]

wait

[spiral hull]

qe hood warspite javelin belfast fortune @real notch

pure hms

[untold folio]

me155 or hellcat on lusty

[slow totem]

That ain’t wachy enough

[untold folio]

For pvp

[slow totem]

Try me155

Try it

Nothing to lose

[real notch]

hmm

[untold folio]

Don’t have one tho

Reeee

[real notch]

i can do that

[slow totem]

Awww...

[spiral hull]

except the fight

[abstract cypress]

use meme155

[real notch]

i'm only missing javelin kai

[slow totem]

Infinite resets, zu? CmonBruh

[spiral hull]

tru

[hot creek]

you'll lose like 3k gold from upgrading it. not worth

[untold folio]

you already see lusty tear through akaga planes sometimes

I’ll need me155 for w12 later anyways

So

[spiral hull]

i want hyuuga kai

hyuuga kai derpitz graf z trio i wanna try that

[vague token]

i want nagato to buff BBV air damage

T_T

[untold folio]

lmao

[real notch]

hm

[vague token]

but i know why it doesnt lol

[real notch]

oh maybe a tirpitz comp

[vague token]

cause it just grants a damage boost

[untold folio]

I think bbv is like

[real notch]

tirpitz is pretty good i heard

[untold folio]

yostar tried to make something creative

Then they realized

It doesn’t work

[spiral hull]

hey at least hyuuga makes pitz stronger

[untold folio]

So they just ditched it

[real notch]

naw i think they were going for historical accuracy

[spiral hull]

yea

[untold folio]

fair

[real notch]

after the 1st/3rd carrier division got wrecked at midway

IJN had run out of carriers that could hold their planes

[grave gale]

https://youtu.be/CT3AVTMysOE recorded a quick pvp match for the hell of it. Aya got some lucky top hits at the beginning and she didn't mvp.

[vague token]

didnt they announce BB kaga?

[real notch]

so they converted a whole bunch of outdated BBs with into flight decks

[vague token]

wonder what she'll be like

like on JP twitter

[real notch]

but just slapping a flightdeck onto a BB and removing a main gun isnt effective

[vague token]

i mean, recon planes were useful for BB but not as bombers lol

[real notch]

they couldn't fit the same fighters and had to slingshot their planes

[vague token]

didnt hms have recon planes on like, CAs?

[real notch]

but to prevent being completely dominated in air superiority they had to do it

[vague token]

they could have granted aiming buffs

like a spotter

[untold folio]

What the fuck

[spiral hull]

hey this time she did less than enty+hood

[vague token]

xD

[untold folio]

2 more

[vague token]

we dont even have the torp buffers

[spiral hull]

i cant believe helena doing less than eldridge though

[vague token]

thats when true destruction happens

[spiral hull]

do you even have gears on her

[vague token]

does the ap CL gun beat a dual 127

or the twin 100??

[spiral hull]

also > 3:25

[vague token]

i thought it didnt

[spiral hull]

how do pvp fights last that long

[spiral hull]

are you undergearing other stuff

lol

see that 4:09

pretty sure you either have bad gears or are intentionally under-gearing

[real notch]

belfast dps look a lil low

but then again i have rainbow dildo on her

[grave gale]

the vanguard died too quickly for her to do much

[vague token]

someday ill get a gold belgun

[grave gale]

aya is really good at quickly killing enemy vanguards

[real notch]

hmm

pretty much my belfast

who do u have ur rainbow magtorp on?

[grave gale]

Aya.

[real notch]

right

[spiral hull]

LOL

[spiral hull]

oh oath

[real notch]

actually

[spiral hull]

i was like how's she got more stats than mine with a purple toolbox

[real notch]

the 78mm might be better in PVP

[grave gale]

I know

[real notch]

because her barrage is HE and can ignite

[grave gale]

demon dance isn't shot based

[spiral hull]

her default barrage

[real notch]

i meant her ex barrage

ye

[vague token]

all out assault or w/e

[spiral hull]

is HE and pretty effective against opponent vanguard in my experience

[real notch]

even though it's 1% proc each of those shells is a 1%

so pretty nice to have that fire more often

[odd schooner]

13 minutes left. Don't forget to use your extra pvp tries

[spiral hull]

but the stats from using gold eq 👌

[untold folio]

It was still close

[grave gale]

3:47

[real notch]

thx for the reminder

[grave gale]

You have long matches due to Lusty

[odd schooner]

Slow

[real notch]

wow

ur team is literally dead

[spiral hull]

is a 309-170 rank diff gonna give bonus point

[untold folio]

eld stall forever lol

No

[vague token]

rank points or rank

[real notch]

probably not

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

If you want to rush gensui, you need to have at least 40s-1 minute pvp

[untold folio]

not bad with 10 mins left

[real notch]

how many runs u got left

[untold folio]

I mean

[vague token]

or just do the matches at the right time of day/night ;)

[untold folio]

I’m consistently sandbagging

[grave gale]

you're not having 40 sec matches unless you use foxes

[odd schooner]

You'll never know when you're going to screw up

[spiral hull]

oh hey i'd be 1335 if i rushed all my matches without getting bonus

[odd schooner]

Better to be prepared than never

[spiral hull]

same score

[odd schooner]

[real notch]

this is me rn

i dropped

[grave gale]

I hardly sandbag. I usually do all my matches right away

I still get admiral every season

[untold folio]

I still have 1 left

[odd schooner]

[untold folio]

What the

[real notch]

i hope this dragunov guy rushes

[untold folio]

god

[real notch]

he looks like the type to rush

[livid fractal]

1358

[odd schooner]

I know that guy

[pastel forge]

I would have 1354 if I use all attempts

[odd schooner]

He's actually here too

[spiral hull]

seems like i can r1 this server 👀

[untold folio]

I could rank 1 right now

[spiral hull]

thats awkward im not sandbagging

[untold folio]

If I use my last match

[odd schooner]

You can ping dragunov

He's here

[spiral hull]

sandy is too slack

[odd schooner]

[untold folio]

How does one sandbag

At rank 2

Fuck

[spiral hull]

using all tries and asking how to sandbag

well

[real notch]

u sandbag by riding the coattails of dudes who rush

[untold folio]

I still have another one

:/

[pastel forge]

[spiral hull]

i usually keep 5 tries for daily reset

[real notch]

i'm pretty sure this dragunov guy rushes

[odd schooner]

Oh he changed name

But he's still on this discord

[spiral hull]

because then its 12 hours till the next pvp tries refresh

so easier to spread out 10 matches

[slow totem]

💤

[real notch]

guess i'll ask him to rush

[spiral hull]

and then i forget to do my matches and rush all when time's about to run out

[real notch]

ye exactly

when i get to +12 points avg i just start rushing

[untold folio]

lol

What

[real notch]

the sandbagging isn't rly worth it at that point i feel

[untold folio]

That’s dumb

I mean I’ve been pretty unlucky

I got like

No bonus points

For like 2 days

Because I got stuck with dead players

[pastel forge]

I missed 10 matches to reset last season early, just rushing after that lol

[odd schooner]

5 minutes bois

[spiral hull]

yo same

last season was awful for me

missed 10 matches on day 0

[grave gale]

I think your score ultimately matters by how lucky you get at the start with the really big points.

[vague token]

i think i slept through like 5-10 matches

[real notch]

ye lunar

[vague token]

last season

[real notch]

that's exactly what it boils down to

[spiral hull]

yeah lunar

[untold folio]

Yeah

The first 2 days for me

[real notch]

that's why i don't sandbag past +12 points

[untold folio]

Were unlucky as fuck

[real notch]

cus you can't get +3 or +4 or +5 or more points

after that

[untold folio]

I got stuck with 4 groups of dead players

[grave gale]

I think +25 was the most I got at the beginning of this season

[real notch]

well u can but it's insanely hard

[grave gale]

feels bad

[real notch]

i got +33 i think

on my first game

[untold folio]

24 was the highest for me this season

[real notch]

you only get 1 match at petty officer i believe

[pastel forge]

yea, max I got was like 34 or 33

[real notch]

so u gotta make it count

[untold folio]

I’m legit tilted

[grave gale]

the scoring system should be reworked. You should get extra points based on how fast you finish

[real notch]

ye

[spiral hull]

it wouldnt be that simple

[vague token]

i mean, why stop there lol

[real notch]

they just are not putting enough time into PVP

[vague token]

might as well revamp matchmaking

[real notch]

PVP as a whole should be reworked

[spiral hull]

would have to balance how fast you clear along with the fleet powers

[grave gale]

PVP in this game is just "obligatory PVP"

they don't care about it at all

[spiral hull]

like you can clear a lvl 1 fleet in 10-15s

[odd schooner]

Usually i get screwed up by this part of the season

[real notch]

ye

[grave gale]

they haven't even added more rewards to the merit shop

[odd schooner]

Like right now

Only +1 per 5 tries

[real notch]

imagine receiving a skin to be in top 10

[spiral hull]

tryhard time

[real notch]

and having top 10 actually mean something

[grave gale]

PVP is too luck based for that

[real notch]

instead of moving in and out every 3 mins

[vague token]

to make rank mean something means normalizing the RNG components

and reducing potency

that isnt going to happen

[real notch]

well

[untold folio]

Honestly make a live pvp with manual controls

[real notch]

RNG is RNG but they can just fukin remove resetting

lol

[untold folio]

So I can face nuke everyone with ya

Aya

[real notch]

such an easy thing to do

[grave gale]

What I mainly what is the ability to fight your friends PVP fleet anytime you want. You get no points or merit for doing it. It's just for funsies to compare fleets

[vague token]

that would be good

but id like training room

[spiral hull]

B > Friends

[vague token]

which lets you full inspect

[slow totem]

Yes, for training, with friends.

YoStar pls

[untold folio]

AL esports

[slow totem]

🙏

[real notch]

wait

[vague token]

all the stats

[real notch]

i believe that was implemented before

[vague token]

xD

[slow totem]

So the Guild/Friend list have a use at least

[untold folio]

we need AL esports

[real notch]

with CN KMS event

[untold folio]

And official casters

[spiral hull]

rEseT

[real notch]

manual PVP and friend challenging

[grave gale]

I'm legit disappointed we didn't get the mirror replication mode

I was looking forward to it

[vague token]

mirror replication?

that's fancy

[slow totem]

FeelsFkingBadMan

[vague token]

im assuming it's just fight yourself

[grave gale]

The special PVP of OC

[vague token]

oh

xD

[pastel forge]

o yea, forgot about that one

[slow totem]

A better PvP mechanic and they aren’t even in EN OC

[untold folio]

I got stuck with fucking dead players in the start of season

[slow totem]

Divergent Chessboard is not my OC

Reeeee

[grave gale]

People set up their fleet you fight other people's teams that get progressively stronger.

[vague token]

like a survival thing?

[grave gale]

Yeah

[vague token]

hp doesnt restore and all that?

that would change the meta

xD

(for that pvp)

[untold folio]

Reset just happened

[grave gale]

I rather have that than the dumb EX that most people don't even bother with

[untold folio]

Supply shop still has no boxes

[real notch]

ye fr

they have ex rankings but no PVP updates

[grave gale]

haven't been buying the skin boxes this time

[untold folio]

no I want gold boxes

[real notch]

i'm still recovering from my PTSD cube/gold deficiency from aurora

[untold folio]

I need 717 more gold boxes

[pastel forge]

[untold folio]

I got 0 gold from daily yesterday

I’m so fucking sad

[real notch]

nani

[spiral hull]

theres a daily again today

[untold folio]

I better get 9 today

[spiral hull]

go get em

[real notch]

isn't it sunday

so 3 dailies

poggers

big cash boost

[spiral hull]

ya

[lime rivet]

Yup.

Erp. Dead players again

[untold folio]

Reeeee

[real notch]

can't wait to see dragunov rushing his games

[spiral hull]

not leet

[untold folio]

when you build 2 ships and you see 2 1:30s

God

[lime rivet]

missed 1337

@untold folio pvp discussion only pl0x.

[untold folio]

oh

We were talking about reset

oops

[real notch]

i remember when leet was a thing

[untold folio]

Please more people rush so I can bag maybe 2 points

[lime rivet]

Yeah, i'm old enough to remember does anyone speak l33t?

[untold folio]

or 3-4 would be better

Leet

[lime rivet]

I haven't seen more than 10 points per battle in the past two days

[real notch]

niceee 2 boxes from merit shop

[odd schooner]

@livid fractal feels like the kurisu is at it again

[slow totem]

No l33t anymore

Now it’s Y E E T

Y E E T Sen

[real notch]

YEET

oh god

[lime rivet]

Oof. Got Aurora from builds.

Now I gotta level her.

[pastel forge]

wew lad

grats

[vague token]

i did 12 lights just now, nothing yet, ill probably do about that many every day for aurora xD

not going to all in my cubes

[untold folio]

Wrong channel

[real notch]

wow congrats

after it took me

200

fukin rolls

[lime rivet]

Tempted to slot her into my hms cl frontline

Probably means I can bench Leander or Edin.

[vague token]

wouldnt hms benefit a lot from her skill?

[real notch]

uhh

ye

[lime rivet]

Not...really, I guess?

[real notch]

they fill different roles tho

[lime rivet]

It's not until we get Dork that Aurora really helps HMS

[real notch]

aurora will forever be a twinfox thing

mainly

because bombing the shit out of vangaurds was never the role of HMS fleets

[lime rivet]

Yeah

Not until Dork shows up at least

[livid fractal]

@odd schooner KurisuOkabe guy?

Leo is in my list

[outer stump]

The foxes and Enterprise or foxes and hood?

[odd schooner]

Ye

@outer stump hood akaga

Hood usually tanks for you

Also your only defense when your front disappear

[native mantle]

change my arizona atm for the new tirpitz?

[odd schooner]

For pvp?

Only if you're running 1 BB

[native mantle]

running atm enty and yorktown as carriers. arizona and tzirpitz my onle useable BB's, my other carriers just illustrious, shouhou, unicorn, saratoga and hornet

and yeah ofc for pvp^^

[odd schooner]

Then it's good

Tirpitz for temporary pvp fleet

[native mantle]

allright ty

was just wodnering cause i saw some ppl with illustrious

[odd schooner]

You could swap Yorktown with illustrious

Extra protection for vanguard

But then again, if you're lacking purin, go with tirp first

[native mantle]

something other then akaga/illustrious thats worth to switch for yorktown?