pvp

[real notch]

get aurora

[spiral hull]

80 cubes on light no aurora

Sirreq help pls

[real notch]

have my power zuyi

i got aurora after 200 cubes so

no way u will be like me

that's the bright side

[dry socket]

any equipment changes for Laffey kai?..
and which position in the vanguard slots should I place her in a general situation?
following the gear suggestion spreadsheet, but Javelin is doing better both in damage and survivability in PvP nearly 5/6 with nearly the same level, yet with lower ranking equipment and a mess of whatever I happened to have

[dry socket]

Javelin (not kai obv) outputs nearly 40% more damage than Laffey on average

and that's what concerns me more than survivability

[real notch]

hmm

i don't have personal experience with javelin

but laffey is by far the biggest DPS vanguard ship of my entire collection

this is including big DPS heavyweights like wichita and belfast

like 30-50k dmg per node

[glossy jay]

laffey and ayakai share mvps for me

in auto

im trying quad homings on aya

it does a lot less damage than the quad fatties but it seems a little more reliable

[vague token]

maybe i need a gold belgun still, but i dont think id be able to kill an eldridge unless she was the lead vanguard

if she is the off tank spot she takes the least from torps (usually the hit mid and front)

might just be me though

[grave gale]

I haven't seen my fleet one shot an eldridge yet and everybody on the vanguard is using magnetic torps at +10 with ayanami using both rainbows.

[meager vessel]

Would Ayanami, Laffey and Z23 make a good vanguard pvp?

I just saw a dude with that set up and they’re super OP

[odd schooner]

Have they tried fighting big walls

Because they'll pop when a BB shell hits them

[meager vessel]

Oh I only use 1 BB probably that’s why

[grave gale]

It's okay. But Enterprise will give you a hard time as well the foxes.

No belfast means their opening strike is gonna hurt a lot

You have to rely on the DD's evasion

and aurora will soon come to laugh at you

[wise summit]

I am running an ent/foxes build with quint mag ayakai in front which is proving very reliable at deleting frontlines by the first fox strike, even with belfast around, and then E slides in with the cleanup

does aurora's effect apply postmortem

[odd schooner]

That 20% will surely hurt DDs

[grave gale]

Don't forget she also boosts her own damage by 20% against DDs.

[odd schooner]

I wonder tho

Still bulge pearl?

[grave gale]

Yeah

She's a good pearl user because she's pretty fragile

oh no. It does

Yeah. When alive in fleet

I'm slowly leveling her with my dorm and raising her skills with books

When she's max, I'll try her with my foxes

[coral wren]

Hm, with wasd setup is bringing bel+eldr vs enemy ent an overkill?

[abstract cypress]

aint overkill is good

[coral wren]

Prob... got rekt and still wonder if that's because of enemy vanguard or just got unlucky with skill procs...

[abstract cypress]

im using bel eld + aya myself and rarely lose

attacking already give 20% advantage, and u can reset too

[coral wren]

well, i really don't know what the hell happened, but my vanguard was juno+bel+eldrigde, enemy setup was wa+hood+ent+bel+clev+helen

[abstract cypress]

just use anything high lvl and high geared tbh

[coral wren]

Well, i always thought setup synergy>gear advantage(unless it's over 2k)

[abstract cypress]

dont use juno

[coral wren]

Oh, not juno, but juneau

misspelled

[abstract cypress]

also usin june with eld is counterproductive

u want her to ded yet protecc it

[coral wren]

Damn... well my logic was to stale as hard as possible for my backline, june still died first but it was too late i guess... still, those lucky e procs got me good, with kinda bad timings from eldridge and 0 procs from my own enty...

[vague token]

juneau usually dies first even with eldridge if she's front

rainbow doesnt stop 700+ burning ticks

that get refreshed by belfast

or whoever

[untold folio]

Oml what a retard

this dude has double cata on enty + btd/comet

and double cata on lusty

That’s the only way he gets 30k

[abstract cypress]

13 u mean

1 tank on both still could reach 13k i guess, assuming all planes are golds

[untold folio]

13k

No it’s not possible

tank cuts it down by like 130

Also he’s not just 13k

He’s 13.1k

[abstract cypress]

hood usin sanshikidan

[slow totem]

FIREWERKS!

[livid fractal]

[lime tundra]

somehow this is cool in its own way

[dull hollow]

[livid fractal]

[dull hollow]

wait till u see the 15k frontlines of doom

[odd schooner]

15k means food

[slow totem]

JB gonna snipe Aurora in the first 3 seconds anyway

[odd schooner]

[slow totem]

That Blonde got no health anyway

[odd schooner]

Feels like

Juneau is better on 610
Rest are mag torps

[slow totem]

PvP is a meme, I stopped taking it seriously.

I’m just in it for the sweet merits and Purins.

Good place to experiment too since no oil cost and inf resets.

I put Magtorps on Aya only since she can compensate for its piss poor damage

[vague token]

i mean, gold quints arent that much lower than non mag

so they're auto friendly in anything

[dull hollow]

15k is super annoying since u either win in 3s or lose

or lose again at 20s depending on compstyl

[slow totem]

JB and Nagato gonna make PvP more of a meme than it already is anyway

The future prospect ughed me out from taking it seriously anymore.

[dull hollow]

the goal was to never take pvp srsly

but just to see what u can fight with

[slow totem]

That’s fair.

[dull hollow]

tho it's kinda hard

[slow totem]

[dull hollow]

when ur diversity falls off a cliff

the large dark age

when nagato gets released

but people can't raise Monarch fast enough

no essex

no centaur

[slow totem]

No JB

[vague token]

jb is jean bart?

[dull hollow]

JB comes out reasonably fast

[slow totem]

Jean Bart, yes, she can snipe a fox 3 seconds into the battle

[dull hollow]

no

frontline

she will never shoot a fox

[slow totem]

Doesn’t she deal 16k per salvo?

[dull hollow]

no?

it's high damage but it's not like

[slow totem]

Ywis’ JB destroyed a Kaga like that.

[dull hollow]

it can evaporate a backliner in 3s

the AI is fixed to shoot on frontline for preload

[slow totem]

FeelsBadMan

[vague token]

they should make AP guns shoot the backline on first shot

=D

that would be fun

[odd schooner]

Seems like the only way to counter an IJN nuke is a double PR HMS

[dull hollow]

FW "counters" IJN fairly well

but is questionable

vs anything else

[odd schooner]

The vanguard dies

[slow totem]

Hmmmmmmmmm!!!

[odd schooner]

A lot

[slow totem]

Interesting

[odd schooner]

[slow totem]

FW + Essex, right?

[dull hollow]

FW is one of the few comps that doesnt care if the frontline dies

[odd schooner]

Ye

[slow totem]

No Sells the foxes’ airburst

[dull hollow]

FW + monarch

was better imo

i tried all the variations out

i think i pref monarch

but

gl getting either in EN

[odd schooner]

I'm good l guess

[dull hollow]

centaur is super funny ofc

[odd schooner]

Harder than getting 7-9 FLB eternals?

[vague token]

i want to run centaur with wasd T_T

[dull hollow]

ehhh

PR FLB is like

it feels stupidly slow

because u have no agency

but in reality

it's somwhat fast

u can finish all 6

in 6-8 months

[odd schooner]

I see

It's better then

[dull hollow]

the exp part feels horrible at first

but then u realize

it's no that much exp

in the grand scheme

esp if u esports ur fleets to maximize gains

[odd schooner]

Feels like 100-104 lvl

[dull hollow]

after my 3rd PR I gave up minmaxing fleet

[livid fractal]

Yo Leander what's your PvP points count

[odd schooner]

[dull hollow]

man I remember the old days when

I used to care about ranking

the days when I slept at 4AM

everyday

to abuse the reset

never again

[odd schooner]

1134

[dull hollow]

now I Just fight for fun

[slow totem]

Hahahaha! I know that feel

[dull hollow]

and then u oversleep a nap one day

or some shit

[livid fractal]

I mean everything

[dull hollow]

and u lose the entire season

[slow totem]

Post Commander level 70 (88 now), I started to not give a fuck. Just want Gensui.

[odd schooner]

You mean on my profile?

[slow totem]

For Purins, Purins are love, purins are life.

[dull hollow]

🚮

[slow totem]

GIB MERITS

Puriiiiiiiin

[dull hollow]

this shit's so worthless lmao

[livid fractal]

1134 + 50?

[dull hollow]

at least let us buy

t3 books

[livid fractal]

[odd schooner]

+70

[dull hollow]

[livid fractal]

Ohh

[slow totem]

PURIN!

PURIIIIIIN

[livid fractal]

I'm at 1150 + 50

[dull hollow]

the core of my fucking hms fleet hit max level

so now idk what to use

went back to essex e

's alright I guess

[slow totem]

Purins... Puriiiiiiin!

Drools

[dull hollow]

my hms fleet doesnt even run QE anymore

[slow totem]

[odd schooner]

4 points gap eh

[livid fractal]

I always get rank 1 even when there's 2 more attacks left, I'm sacrificing +2 points..

I can't attack during 4am and 10am resets

[slow totem]

Wonder how long when peeps in EN get to Iriya’s idgaf level of meh to the rankings.

[livid fractal]

And no one is pushing

[dull hollow]

it takes a while

usually when u lose 1 or 2 season in a row

because of nap

ur like

yeah okay

i dont care

[slow totem]

I’m already at that, I just want Gensui.

[dull hollow]

also when u miscaulate a duel

and u lose a battle

to like enty or some shit

or Warspite skill

[flint yarrow]

hi so i lost an attack is my season over ?

[dull hollow]

probably

[slow totem]

Being Nanba Wan lasts like, what, a few hours?

[odd schooner]

I have nothing else to do irl so i just go with pvp

[livid fractal]

Not really

[slow totem]

@flint yarrow no

[dull hollow]

i doubt EN is as trihard as JP servers

[livid fractal]

You can attack like really early and still can get gensui

[dull hollow]

most ppl probably dont even know how the ranking score works

[odd schooner]

Technically ye

We don't have much tryhards

[dull hollow]

how many EN ppl will run Jintsuu and complain about their rng

[slow totem]

I just want my Purins. 💤

[dull hollow]

dont ever let me catch u running jintsuu

[odd schooner]

Nah I'll prolly go Sendai Aurora Ykkz

[dull hollow]

tells me ur a iron iv player

sendai aurora ykkz fine

i pref junny

nagaka gets pretty stalled by perfect FW setup tho

u cant bomb the perfect frontline setup

[odd schooner]

Juneau Belfast Saint Louis right

[dull hollow]

like

ever

Sandy over belfast works too

[odd schooner]

I see

[dull hollow]

any combo of sandy belfast and saint louis

even with full cut from sendai and aurora

not enough

[livid fractal]

@median minnow those people probably have you on their list and waiting for you to attack

[odd schooner]

But does sandy go double AA aux or torp bulge

[livid fractal]

[dull hollow]

everyone just goes evasion + bulge in pvp feels like

[odd schooner]

Hmm how about boilers

[dull hollow]

boiler meme is bad

u run over mag torps

and dont have any useful stats in that slot

some ppl like it cuz u can theortically

exit the entire bombing radius

of a CV

but it's inconsistent

and u lose defensive stats

[odd schooner]

So it's like a coin flip

[dull hollow]

yah

it is funny to watch tho

[odd schooner]

By eva aux, washing machine aux?

[dull hollow]

personally I would just +10 gyroscopes

the HP u get from a boiler

is like

250 lol

gyro at least has 35 accuracy

yah washing machine aux

put 2 on ur sidelaners

and keep junny in the middle

with 2 oxy torps

i found

is the most stable solution

if i give junny defensive she doesnt die a lot

if I give her def + put her on sidelane

her death can be too early a lot

[odd schooner]

I ser

Wait, saint louis front?

Or bel/sandy

[dull hollow]

bel front give her tear

[odd schooner]

About pr, is it monarch first before saint louis or i can do both simultaneously

[dull hollow]

eh

it dont matter

ur gonna be cucked

in BP

for a long time

[odd schooner]

Ll

Bp spree

Is the rng so bad

[dull hollow]

u can only slightly rush Bps

i think i finished monarach in 3 or 4 month

but then again I Finished all 6 in like 8 lol

nice player agency

[odd schooner]

That time gate

[dull hollow]

so dum

idk i would still go with monarch first

since sandy belfast and even portkai are like

admissibale

as offtanks

but there no peer to monarch

[abstract cypress]

why dont just use E

[dull hollow]

E okay

EssexE probably t1.5 comp

slightly better or worse depending on ur 3rd

[abstract cypress]

theres no need to use E with Essex rite

[dull hollow]

E as a standalone is a bad unit

[abstract cypress]

not when ur attackin

[dull hollow]

she still serviceable

[abstract cypress]

double dmg is double dmg

[dull hollow]

but ur gonna feel the heat

once more formulated comps

start taking hold

[odd schooner]

I thought E Centaur Essex was a thing

[dull hollow]

u can still get away with LustE in EN probably

Centaur EssexE is so fucking funny

[odd schooner]

[dull hollow]

i ran that comp

a lot

[odd schooner]

How was it

[dull hollow]

u delete every frontline in the game almost

without needing to bring auroroa or Helena

also sheer amount of bombs means u can heavily chunk backline at the same time

downside is with any CV heavy comp is

if u lose the frontline battle

then u have to reset

became more noticeable once I started leveling scuffed frontliners

like roon and portkai

but sandy louis or neptune probably should be

pretty solid

[odd schooner]

Does hms still go monarch hood qe or hood is replaced by centaur

[dull hollow]

hood is a more defensive sidegrade to centaur

tankier + 1 more defensive gun

i pref centaur

but there are some battles where I wonder if I wouldve won them if I had hood instead

centaur is just more fun to run imo

watching her delete yukikaze

tbh u can stuff centaur into any comp and have a good time

[odd schooner]

Ye i didn't know centaur was that good until recently

[dull hollow]

I ran tirpitz and hyuuga vs some nakagas

scraped a few wins

[odd schooner]

Best generalist cv

[dull hollow]

not rly

[odd schooner]

[dull hollow]

well

she does double as a damage carry and a utility carry

her biggest strength imo is being a CVL that can launch before BB

while applying gross amount of buff and deboof

BB biggest weakness is shelling RNG

too often ur shells will go poof into the water

centaur can fix that by slowing frontline

so ur bb become proper lethal

concept works wonders in pve too

[odd schooner]

I see

So she's like cv ver of dork

[dull hollow]

yah but better imo

i uh

was too busy to do the dork event

so

i cant give u a concrete answer

about dork feedback

[odd schooner]

It's ok. You've given a lot of info already

searchal Gyroscope

[hidden wyvern]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&search=Gyroscope

[dull hollow]

not to be snide but uh

one thing I need to point out is to always take CN PvP analysis with a grain of salt

cuz their gamecode base

seems way different

than JP

u watch their pvp videos and it's like

????

"that would never work in JP"

EN and JP work on the same codebase

[odd schooner]

Ye it's way different

I've been looking at bilibili

[dull hollow]

like im sure their analysis is correct

but

for CN only

i was so excited to play FW in JP

and

I got spanked

every fucking time

🚮

[arctic ember]

red hair meta

[glacial spire]

Do we have enough for a rainbow?

[odd schooner]

Do we have violet fleets and orange?

[empty sinew]

0LB Scharnhorst solo backline anyone?

[abstract cypress]

no one use 0lb for pvp

[empty sinew]

for farming ecks dee

but there ain't no #farming is there

[abstract cypress]

if it question the goto #gameplay-help

if its just a random phrase goto general and watch it get drowned

[spiral hull]

i already ran white hair red eyed loli def fleet for a long time

hermes terror erebus poi aya laffey

i need to finish leveling my terror, erebus and poi

[slow totem]

Isn’t Aya Blonde and Terror not a loli?

Nah, I’m thinking too much.

[glacial spire]

Choco fleets

[odd schooner]

Pushed early today so I can sleep longer and no luck at getting +1s either

[modern shoal]

Who of the new ships is great in pvp?

[zenith tundra]

from what other people said in the channel none of the kms ships are good for pvp

[arctic ember]

those kms ship are suicidal

[empty sinew]

Tirpitz + Enty + Graf MIGHT be good #theorycrafting

[coral wren]

What is the most solid vanguard for wasd? Didn’t like eldridge much, that 15% god mode proced goday only once per 10 battles

[empty sinew]

can't ever go wrong with Juneau + Belfast

[coral wren]

Feels really luck depending

Y, i guess it should be the core

For the most part at least

But then, we kinda got aurora and i wonder if she can be better then helena as a 3rd ship

[empty sinew]

• Eldridge, Helena, Ayaya (for funsies), Fortune (for the DMG reduction), Aurora (cuz max skill makes her T0)

can't remember if Aurora is T0 or T1 in CN/JP, but that skill is insane

[livid fractal]

My Eldridge procs her skill after 23-26 sec in the game (4:37 4:34 which is like usually enemy Enty procs lucky E and hits your vanguard) try putting her in the 3rd slot instead of the middle.

[untold folio]

Meh

rank 3 without rushing

[coral wren]

She is on top, middle is taken by bel

Gotta toy a little with gear i guess

[zenith tundra]

i'm 1 point off from that 1st if i use my attempts. never get lucky with high ranked people. maybe 3-4 times per day i manage to get bonus points

[hoary umbra]

Am I good with this for pvp? Or should I switch Enty for Hood? Hood is my strongest ship

Akaga + Hood gave me 11535 power

[coral wren]

iirc sd should be your flagship

[hoary umbra]

Gotcha

[coral wren]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-kGGh6rHk7PlXQDkAl8bOGPUMp0oncVFeJAzSjdEgg/htmlview?sle=true#gid=1540915359

check this doc out

quote: South Dakota as flagship because she has the highest survivability with washington's skill. Since Monarch and Washington barrages are single target nukes, and Enterprise is an aircraft carrier; thus, flagship position is not necessary for any of them.

[hoary umbra]

So, based on that

For Washington, which is best?

I’m on EN. I don’t have most of the ships on the docs. I only have SoDak, Enty, Wash and probably some others but that’s as far as I looked

How do I get the UFO AA gun?

@ me cuz I’m leaving

Thanks 😃

[slate estuary]

@hoary umbra royal boxes or 7-2

[hoary umbra]

Gotcha

Thanks

[coral wren]

@hoary umbra twins on wa for procing barrage more often, and tripples for common shelling on sd

[untold folio]

I didn’t sandbag first 2 days

[coral wren]

only 1 more ship till my hms fleet is complete ><

[flint yarrow]

gratz

[spiral hull]

Anyone know if the 12.8-12.9k hakaga optimal mainfleets are with or without oath

I wonder if this guy is meme'ing with btd1s or is that the oath difference

His fleet wiped in like 40-50s so I guess

But damn if so, btds are really crap

Though I guess I'm also guilty of meme'ing, using double cata on enty cuz of the event hm requirement and too lazy to switch back

[sour oasis]

Stupid question, but buffs like Fortunes backfleet defense... Nothing is stated that Fortune has to be alive for buff to remain active (versus say Bailey's CV boost). So does buff go away if Fortune dies?

[grave gale]

12.9k is the highest for oath akaga bis

[spiral hull]

Alright just a meme then

Lol

[grave gale]

You can tell when foxes are using double cat. Their planes are real easy to shoot down.

[spiral hull]

What's the difference between double cat and single cat + tank stats

[grave gale]

Gold cata has 30 more aviation than purple tank at +10

[spiral hull]

I meant the

Uh

Final stats of the ship

Since the rarity changes

I guess somewhere around 100-150 if that guy was using catas with standard planes

[grave gale]

You mean the power difference

126 more power with double cat

[spiral hull]

Oo

So he'd be like 12961 if he was using tanks

Damn tanks make such a big difference

(in effectiveness)

[zenith tundra]

akaga is already not that good for def. why would u sacrifice effectiveness for extra useless power

[spiral hull]

Idk about akaga not being good on def

They usually deal more dmg than wasd for me

I think wasds in Sandy use real shit eq

[zenith tundra]

maxed out wasd can outlast akaga by a lot

u can easily shoot down akaga with wasd hood

[spiral hull]

Everything dies around 40s-1:15min here so idk about last long or not

And

Easily shoot down
Not rly, that's not how AA works

They do reduce the damage a lot though

[zenith tundra]

not AA the ships with barrages

[spiral hull]

Eh it's the same

Akaga or wasd

Akaga probably harder when wasd don't use SGRs

[zenith tundra]

i don't think it is bbs are tankier then cv

[spiral hull]

They have a lot less base eva for their heavy armour

[zenith tundra]

bb can equip evasion equip cv no

[spiral hull]

Carriers have 30~40 eva while BBs usually 20 or so

[zenith tundra]

the sg is used for that

[spiral hull]

Yes and it seems you aren't reading what I'm saying at all

[zenith tundra]

with sgs u get same evasion and more hp

on sandy ok but in general no

i see 13.xk wasd that i need to use akaga enty helena and aya to bring down because of bulkiness

[real notch]

@spiral hull with oath

that guy is no optimized

[spiral hull]

Just use ur own 13k wasd

Hi req

[zenith tundra]

i don't like mirror and also my wasd is not oathed

[spiral hull]

You don't need oath though

And mirror is silly if you aren't adjusting

It's cakewalk if you adjust

[zenith tundra]

i don't have juneau yet only lvl95... just a bit more

[spiral hull]

Not having Jun would be a problem defi

Nitely

[zenith tundra]

juneau is the key to lasting forever

[spiral hull]

Btw @real notch jintsuu soon, 1 step closer to sendai

[real notch]

i'm so slow at leveling my aurora

:9

:(

[spiral hull]

Fok you

I don't even have her yet

[real notch]

she's only lvl 54 with lv 7 dawn

[zenith tundra]

w10 inc? ught need to level up like 12 ships for pvp...

[spiral hull]

They tweeted Honolulu release next patch

[real notch]

oh ya i'm pretty excited for sendai

[spiral hull]

Honolulu is w10 drop only, no other way to get

[real notch]

actually with magtorps jintsuu will likely be a nice option too

[zenith tundra]

jintsuu aya aurora looks great

[real notch]

ye it looks good

[zenith tundra]

★USS Honolulu★ Will be available after the patch update on 12/21 (PST).

[real notch]

will be better with nagamon but still seems viable

[zenith tundra]

does it means w10 on 21?

[real notch]

i'm probably returning to twinfox after my aurora is maxed

[spiral hull]

Most likely yes

[zenith tundra]

wtf can't they wait for after OC?

[spiral hull]

Tbh, oc seems so easy to farm

300 points per d4

[zenith tundra]

i wanted to farm for quad too

[spiral hull]

Though it is gonna be lot of oil spent

[zenith tundra]

but jintsuu is top priority for me

[spiral hull]

hope for swimsuit

[zenith tundra]

also new max level is a lot of farm

lucky i'll have time to farm because of vacation from work

[spiral hull]

Jintsuu Aya Aurora Akaga, now if they release nagato event in jan

[zenith tundra]

i don't want nagato anytime soon tbh. i love ijn ships but it'll kill the meta

[spiral hull]

[sour oasis]

Is there definitive evidence Fortune's backfleet defense buff goes away if Fortune dies?

[zenith tundra]

are there skill that are active after the ships dies? outside of washy skill that still needs to be activated before she dies i can't think of any

[real notch]

juneau?

[zenith tundra]

when she dies not after death

[sour oasis]

I dunno. I know some skills explicitly say "when ship is alive"

This just makes me curious about how long other buffs are supposed to last

[real notch]

also @sour oasis here is ur proof

it's on the skill

[sour oasis]

I'm going to assume this is now written on every buff (like Elizabeth or Fletcher)

[real notch]

uhh

i can confirm QE works the same way

idk about fletcher though

who even uses fletcher in PVP

[sturdy lantern]

It's not written

QE says >when entering battle

Fletcher >when attacking

[iron helm]

fletcher is pretty good for pvp for cheap oil

[sturdy lantern]

[zenith tundra]

just noticed the time... rip 2 attempts

[outer stump]

Why Ayanami is picked so much in exercises?

Like I see her much often than Laffey

[iron helm]

because ayanami is stronger than laffey?

[outer stump]

Why u say so?

Ayanami has only base torp

When Laffey has a buffer for everything (except torps)

[iron helm]

@outer stump hold on while i investigate their skill

well using dd in pvp is generally bad already

except eldridge

[sturdy lantern]

Retro Jaburin def fleet memes

[iron helm]

absolutely no idea, probably ayanami with the event torp + rainbow dildo makes when the torp hits it’ll give more damage than laffey’s high reload stat @outer stump

just my guess

[alpine finch]

face torp and you basically won

[iron helm]

also 70% chance for 30% evade for 5 sec is better than 5% chance when firing for 40% evade for 8 seconds

[alpine finch]

that's not the same skill

[iron helm]

yeah its not

but evade matters in pvp for dd

[outer stump]

I like Ayanami for those situations vs Eldridge but that passive won't proc until u strike

[alpine finch]

5% for 30 torp vs 5% for 40% reload/eva/fp

aya vs laffey

[iron helm]

that torp plus event torp plus rainbow dildo

the homing torp is op

[outer stump]

@iron helm well if Laffey had the same chance boost it could be a mess... So I'm fine whit 3 low buffers than 1 high buff

[iron helm]

basically it’ll hit either way

[alpine finch]

if it's mirror but aya vs laffey

the result is probably going to be the same

[iron helm]

i want to see that

its interesting

[alpine finch]

it's gonna be rng

if aya gets a good torp

[iron helm]

doesnt matter

it’ll be 100 games

who wins most games will be the winner

[outer stump]

I hate Eldridge so much... That 15% chance procs like crazy

[alpine finch]

but you already know the result

offensive wins

you get a 20% bonus for attacking

lol

[iron helm]

what

[outer stump]

In my battles

[iron helm]

not really

[alpine finch]

?

[iron helm]

thats why i want to see that

[alpine finch]

offensive gets a 20% damage boost

that boost is insane

you're just going to run over anyway

[iron helm]

what happen even 1 torpedo hits laffey

[outer stump]

[iron helm]

plus its homing

[alpine finch]

then it rolls rng whether it hits or not

[iron helm]

so maybe 2 torp hit her

[alpine finch]

maybe none hits her cause fast

[iron helm]

this game is basically rng anyway, thats why i said make it 100 games or even 1000 games

and see who win most games

[outer stump]

But that t5 torps don't have that much damage at +10 than I expected

[alpine finch]

it's not that huge of a difference

[outer stump]

Yeah but idk

Maybe I will change them because of that magnetic effect

[outer stump]

Will be more accurate to hit something

I don't understand how tf you guys had that many parts to max that t5 torp

[alpine finch]

u just play

im on the newest server too lmao

[outer stump]

I play but the costs are huge for my fleets

I need oil like crazy

70 per battle

[alpine finch]

why

lol

[outer stump]

Cuz they are all fking limit breaked

[alpine finch]

you dont need all 6 ships

if you're just farming for parts

stage 6

[outer stump]

I want the full xp

[alpine finch]

yikes

i dont think even 6 is efficient

[outer stump]

But we'll maybe you're true

[alpine finch]

the exp curve for ships isnt linear

so 6 ships != 3x the exp of 2 ships

[outer stump]

I mean my commander xp

[alpine finch]

that's what im saying

[outer stump]

Well I will try but who should I pick up?

Phoenix?

And as backline hood or some supportive?

[alpine finch]

🤷

you run whatever you have available for low costs

[iron helm]

@outer stump dude if u have to sacrifice oil to maximise ur hq exp , you’re doing it wrong

[alpine finch]

4 ship is generally good for time vs oil cost

2    BASE Value    0%
3    +33%    33%
4    +42%    75%
5    +33%    108%
6    +33%    141%

of ships | variance | xp bonus

so 4 ship actually has the most efficiency vs the rest

[outer stump]

Then mb

[alpine finch]

what ships you run depends on what you're farming

[outer stump]

What do you mean?

Is there a special ship for much efficient farm?

[alpine finch]

there's a few

some ships are significantly better than others

some ships cost significantly less

[iron helm]

use mahans ship

7 oil per for mlb

[alpine finch]

ye those are fine

[outer stump]

For example?

[iron helm]

for 2:2 best farming fleet i guess its erebus/terror/downes/cassin

they’re 4 ships so its efficient

and oil effective

[outer stump]

But what about the highest?

[iron helm]

highest what

[outer stump]

For example at 9-4 I can't defeat the flagship even whit my main fleet

[iron helm]

unicorn or shouhou/erebus/terror : phoenix/downes/cassin

[outer stump]

I mean I can but harder

[iron helm]

lol that depends

[alpine finch]

you need better gear

[iron helm]

i mean i havent touch map 9 yet

and yeah gears matter a lo

[alpine finch]

are you playing auto or manual

[outer stump]

I have a lot

9-4 flagship is hell

You need to play smart in there

[alpine finch]

not really

[outer stump]

Now I won't farm on 3-4 since I have fixes maxed

Sadly on Akagi used bullins

[alpine finch]

you just need to adjust fleet to what content you're doing

what your gear is

[outer stump]

Because Akagi droprate is like hell

[alpine finch]

and how you're playing, auto or manual

[outer stump]

But I got a lot of kagas

I plan to go 6-4

For now

I want auto in there

[alpine finch]

take 4 ships

erebus terror + mahan frontline

[outer stump]

I don't have those yet

The Monitors

[slate estuary]

to 4-3 you go then

[alpine finch]

sounds about right

[outer stump]

They are hard drops?

[slate estuary]

they can drop any node

[outer stump]

Thanks a lot anyway

What do you think about this fleet?

[iron helm]

unnecessary ships

hornet can be replaced, takao is not that good, and if you’re using belfast you’d want to use cruisers not dd like laffey (eldridge is an exemption)

[outer stump]

I like Hornet cuz of the dive-bombers

And idk what to change from Takao

I mean she was my first ship that I maxed and now I use her

Idk what to say about Laffey... Eldridge barrage is hard to handle and only her Def skill is good

And annoying to face ofc

[iron helm]

eldridge be countered by akaga ofc

that is if u have them

[outer stump]

Eldridge I have but she isn't limit breaked yet

And now because of the event I'm poor

But idk whit what I should replace Takao

I like her too but meh

She feels like she dies first in my vandguatd every battle

[iron helm]

idk what ships u have but try to use light cruiser

[outer stump]

Are they that good?

[iron helm]

best vanguard

i mean

better than heavy cruiser at least

i dont think anyone even hse heavy cruiser at pvp

[outer stump]

Oh so I'm the only dumb

Fml

I have Helena but I don't like her barrage that much

But her skill is good

But is lvl 1

[iron helm]

lol lvl 1

lvl it up

its only yellow book

[outer stump]

Yeah I said later I will Max and then I forgot about her

But why u say Hornet isn't good?

[iron helm]

not bad, but they’re better options

like for example u can replace enty with akaga, when countering eldridge in pvp

pretty much guaranteed win in 1 try

no matter their backline

[odd schooner]

It's starting

The +1/5 matches of the season

[real notch]

Hmm looks like i temporarily hit r1

[untold folio]

grats dude

i can do it too tbh

i have 5 attempts

sitting at 1234

[abstract cypress]

fighting 10k guy, thought i could leave it cuz mb auto win but its not

my ships must be missed all their shot

[untold folio]

wait

you lost

against 10k?

wtf

wait

did their eld cuck you or something

that happened to me before

[abstract cypress]

ye eld+e

[untold folio]

lol rip

[abstract cypress]

super unlucky moment
my fleet is no good

[odd schooner]

Anyone trying out 3 mag Torps on PvP yet

[grave gale]

I am

[odd schooner]

What does it feel

Especially first one

[grave gale]

The opponent's vanguard definitely dies a lot faster but the preload torps at the beginning often do almost nothing

[lime rivet]

Another man of culture found

[odd schooner]

Can you still shotgun the opponent

At the beginning

When you're facing them

[abstract cypress]

i cant

[grave gale]

Ones occasionally do hit home in on somebody in the back and they take extra damage

I've yet to see a good clean preload hit at the start

[abstract cypress]

probably everyone already using bulges

i got a clean hit backline once, all of em lost almost 50% hp

[odd schooner]

I don't really know if I'll swap a mag on Juneau

610 still does a shotgun

[grave gale]

I've been using Belfast, Ayanami and Eldridge

[abstract cypress]

thats my lineup

[grave gale]

Ayanami with the rainbow, Eldridge with a gold quad and belfast with a gold quint

[odd schooner]

I'm using juneau Belfast fortune for extra protection on foxes

Since most ppl run Eldridge enty

Then i just swap to FW fleet when things go deeper

[grave gale]

when I finish leveling aurora, I'll try swapping out Belfast for her and see how it goes

Will go back to foxes and see how they perform too with the evasion debuff

[odd schooner]

2 skills to raise right

[grave gale]

Yeah

[real notch]

i one time got my juneau 1 shotted

by preloaded torps LOL

[odd schooner]

Is it mag or 610

[real notch]

no clue,

but every torp hit

[abstract cypress]

610 probably

[real notch]

she had bulge too

rip

[odd schooner]

610

Yeah i think I'll keep the shotgun potential

[grave gale]

I changed the skin of ayanami's torps so I can tell hers apart

[real notch]

afaik quad mags are the best

[odd schooner]

I use erasers. Imagine erasers following you just to rub you out

[grave gale]

most of the opening ones miss entirely. Maybe 1-2 will lock to something

[real notch]

ye

cus i played like

1600 exercises

and my juneau only ever got 1 shotted once so

[odd schooner]

I assume that's also 200 affection Juneau

[real notch]

no actually my juneau is not oathed

[grave gale]

People in #gameplay-help still thinking torps are bad on auto.

[real notch]

for aya it's good if she's mobbing LOL

[grave gale]

that was a boss

[real notch]

oh

[abstract cypress]

helena

[real notch]

wait are u using ur rainbow shit on her

[grave gale]

She has both rainbows, yes

[real notch]

ok that's prolly why xd

cus i screenshotted this like 20 mins ago

but i was manualling

but u got the same dmg as me

is this the power of rainbow

[grave gale]

Peak performance.

[real notch]

LOL my aya is like doo doo

u saw my screenshot

[abstract cypress]

not using 100

[grave gale]

I actually did swap to the 100 in pvp just for the power level boost. It puts my vanguard almost as high as my backline.

Before my Washington hit 200 affinity, the back power was literally 13128

[real notch]

i think i saw a 13.1k vanguard fleet with juneau in it

[abstract cypress]

max wasde should be 13.2

[real notch]

i was confused

[grave gale]

South Dakota doesn't have 200 affinity

I never use her in pve

[abstract cypress]

he used radars i guess

[grave gale]

I don't care to grind to 200 affinity for everything. That tiny increase isn't worth it. It just naturally happens with ships I use a lot

[real notch]

ye it's not a big deal

i just kind of get OCD looking at the almost perfect ship

[grave gale]

Only Ayanami in the vanguard has 200 affinity

Eldridge and Belfast don't

[odd schooner]

3%

Is that with oxytorps

[grave gale]

yes

I don't think it's possible to have a 13k vanguard without using that

[real notch]

i will marry my aurora though

ughh leveling her is so hard

she's brittle af and can't take MVP ever

unless if i take her to 3-4 or some weak ass map and go thru torture mvp farming

[odd schooner]

Let me check total stats

With Torp bulge belfast Juneau

If we go further

This ain't meme lvl yet btw

Let me try meme lvls

By actually changing enty planes

[coral wren]

30 secs of bragging rights

[real notch]

LOOL true

actually feels like 30secs

[coral wren]

more popular the server gets the harder itnis to get rank 1

*sigh
why does mlbing eldridge feels like a total waste of resources...

[hot creek]

because it kind of is

i regret maxing mine

i don't even use her much

[coral wren]

😩 same

[hot creek]

and she'll be irrelevant as times goes on

she only works to counter Enty Helena at this point

but really isn't necessary cause you can just reset

[coral wren]

when all else fails

default to hms fleet forever

not like hms ever falls out of meta

isn't it getting totally rekt by wasd tho?

[hot creek]

fake news

[coral wren]

🤔

[hot creek]

on offense, HMS can still beat everything

[coral wren]

i mean

you can just put warspite to snipe wash

or ent

if they run ent

and warspite gunna get swapped for doy soon anyway

standart backline with eli, warspite and hood, and june+bel+aurora as vanguard?

vang juneau aurora bel

hood forever 11y/o warsp

Y, june. damn i can't get used to pronounce it correctly

same

i tried ark a few times

shes rly squishy

but if whoevers in the middle isnt soda shell kill them almost in first airstrike

[real notch]

is this new

[hollow dawn]

They're bugged anyway and won't give you ship

Unless was fixed

[cosmic stratus]

I demand apologems for the oil wasted

[real notch]

but that 880+ gold tho

[abstract cypress]

post it in #commision

[slow totem]

There’s a #commission channel?!

[hollow dawn]

No

Unless that's extra secret channel even smol mods don't have access to

[real notch]

i think he was memeing

[slow totem]

Super Duper Seekrit channel.

Holding the keys to consistently get Gem rewards and unlock Ship Drop rewards.

[real notch]

poggers i can finally let aurora autofarm

they grow up so fast

[edgy kiln]

depleted my gold yesterday still no aurora

want her for pvp so bad

[spiral hull]

someone using the new AP gun on sodak in pvp

[edgy kiln]

i wonder if that ap gun good on warspite

[spiral hull]

it doesnt affect her marksman skill in any way

[edgy kiln]

heh

what a waste

[spiral hull]

it would be the same effectively compared to 406mk6/410 as compared to any other BB/C

[vague token]

im not going all in on light builds but i do want aurora

xD

[slow totem]

Just chill, she’s not going anywhere anyway

[spiral hull]

@real notch have you tried using the AP gun on your BBs? it does practically nothing to vanguard but would be better than HE against vanguard, i wonder how it actually performs compared to 406/410

[vague token]

it's only a marginal damage boost

on heavy

just fyi it's like 10-20 or w/e

[spiral hull]

exactly 20% higher on both med and heavy i know

im wondering if the loss of dmg on vanguard is worth it

[real notch]

preferably i'd use HE

[vague token]

which usually isnt worth -110

AP is minus 110

compared to he

that is literally the worst trade

in existance

[real notch]

because BB gun HE shells have 50% ignition rate

[vague token]

also note that first shot is always vanguard, rest are rng

[real notch]

and burn dmg is OP

[vague token]

AP would be good if A) flood damage

B) first shot targeted main fleet first

[spiral hull]

oh yeah there's burn dmg

[vague token]

those would make AP guns workable

[real notch]

xd

ye

burn dmg op

[spiral hull]

those 700 ticks

i forgot

[real notch]

it'll tick for like 600-800

for 15 secs

[vague token]

helps with operation rainbow

just light them on fire on a miss

xD

or rather before the miss

[spiral hull]

operation rainbow is w/e

bb's miss on vanguard often enough that i wouldn't bother relying on that

[vague token]

406 always hits at least one unless your rng is terrible

3 shots covers a lot of screenspace

[real notch]

but ye

op rainbow is getting less good

age of eldridge is about over

as i predicted

it's ok aurora is here

[spiral hull]

but she isnt

100 cubes ;-;

regret rolling for graf and z25

[vague token]

rainbow isnt even an age as much as she is an answer to e

like, i dont enjoy my destoyers evaporating at 20s

err 23-24

or just hard countering other non-damage steroid carriers

or running a CA for memes

xD