just buy all the skins 
#pvp
hybrid obsidian
ye, get em annoying miss out of the way
wonder if that can negate a bit of operation rainbow on dd and cl?
zenith tundra
rainbow should be 100% evasion no matter what
hybrid obsidian
it does say 100% evasion but doesnt say cant be cut right?
idle python
it won't negate it but it makes her less evasive outside of it
real notch
i think it depends on order of activation
aurora is passive effect
and then rainbow is cast over that
hybrid obsidian
hm ok
real notch
other ships should be the same
odd schooner
It's 20%
real notch
like sendai flare
odd schooner
So 944 per L2D skin
zenith tundra
the only skin i want is enty's one
odd schooner
Just 30% more than oath rings
odd schooner
Idk if I'll pull for graf.
It's Kishiyo but one of her legs bug me
hybrid obsidian
lul
hybrid obsidian
ye, im wondering the same thing
thats why im excited to try her out
i can give you guys the result in a week after i max her + aff200
zenith tundra
what do her skills even do?
hybrid obsidian
10% dmg reduction for ironblood
and more efficiency when using german planes
iirc
hm, actually im on the jp wiki rn, can just look
zenith tundra
if u use tirpitz and some german vanguard maybe
hybrid obsidian
15% dmg reduction
zenith tundra
like graf tir E
vague token
i heard aurora is in the patch
zenith tundra
can't wait to waste 300 cubes for her
odd schooner
Eldridge era is coming to an end
hybrid obsidian
lul, it is that bad eh
zenith tundra
it's light build so good luck
hybrid obsidian
i dont dislike seeing fortunes
real notch
the big wall is wasd fortune 
i think
odd schooner
For akaga fleet ya
hybrid obsidian
heh, i like eating wasd fortune fleet
real notch
if twinfox + aurora can consistently (70%+) beat wasd fortune
odd schooner
What do you use?
hybrid obsidian
fortune is like the 1 useless vanguard ship
real notch
then twinfox will be queen again
real notch
as for eldridge, it's already a given that twinfox will smash eldridge fleets
vague token
juneau/CA/X
hybrid obsidian
yo sirre, did you max your foxes w 3-4 grind or bulins
vague token
probably belfast for the damage reduction
real notch
uhh
real notch
i think i used 1 bulin for kaga, the rest was dupes
hybrid obsidian
no
real notch
hybrid obsidian
lol
odd schooner
No wonder
hybrid obsidian
deyum
odd schooner
It's only for akaga counter
real notch
LOOL
zenith tundra
i almost never see wasd fortune tbh
hybrid obsidian
well, tbh i didnt do enough 3-4
real notch
my fox luck was pretty good tho
odd schooner
I'm ok with fox too
hybrid obsidian
i skip 3-4 to move on w my +10 ing equipments
real notch
i'm just stacking plates for future gear
odd schooner
Am ok with gears for now
real notch
and farming some girls for the collection
hybrid obsidian
how goes that
odd schooner
Just farming affection
real notch
well
odd schooner
hybrid obsidian
ye, im maxing irrelevant girl affection rn
real notch
i'm not playing as much as b4
hybrid obsidian
me neither, i got a heavy backlog at company atm
odd schooner
real notch
xd
odd schooner
Gotta go fast
odd schooner
I stopped farming
hybrid obsidian
hmm, no nut november, whats december
odd schooner
My 13th month pay disappeared in an instant
real notch
destroy dick december?
hybrid obsidian
dem, thats lew
idle python
dont degen December
vague token
xD
hybrid obsidian
344 general plates atm
odd schooner
Yuyu san ples
hybrid obsidian
\o/
odd schooner
vague token
i ran out of blue aux plates
odd schooner
You haven't been farming nep event eh
vague token
na, i just burned gold
real notch
wewlad
odd schooner
Nep event gave like 500 blue gen plates
hybrid obsidian
oh
vague token
i farmed 9-3 for nich most of that
hybrid obsidian
you sell it ?
hybrid obsidian
same
hybrid obsidian
torp,aa, planes, each of those i have 2k of
real notch
until kms event 
real notch
lmao
vague token
the thing that killed me was +10ing the oxy torps
real notch
idek how many torp plates i have
vague token
but i guess it's fine now that we have mag torps inc
hybrid obsidian
oh
hybrid obsidian
; ))
vague token
yeah im out of blue
hybrid obsidian
so i can be out of the
vague token
so im stuck with a +4 gold radar
hybrid obsidian
low power fleet ranking
hybrid obsidian
im like 3.9k rn and thats 2000+ rank
hybrid obsidian
the leo dude is like 6k+ and idk what he puts on his shipgirls
oh wait, he s not leo
anyhow, how s everyone opponents luck so far
many potatoes?
real notch
if u scroll up i fought a 13.4k wasd e fleet
vague token
then also a meme nep fleet
real notch
LMFAO
vague token
so about 50/50 i guess
hybrid obsidian
lel
real notch
kurisuokabe trollign in the rankings
vague token
im just wondering what CA is going to be good for aurora meta
since no port kai
to save us
hybrid obsidian
hm? you wanna ca in pvp??
vague token
i mean, evade is going to get nuked pretty hard
idle python
at least until prs and nakaga started gaining steam in CN people were still running mostly CL/DD frontline when aurora was around
hybrid obsidian
gahaha
real notch
donald trump
real notch
is that with or without 120?
idle python
both
elder crane
CAs just have poor utility
odd schooner
13.5 wasd E < 13.2 wasd E
vague token
i mean, i just want a pre 20 dps boat to shoot down DDs
real notch
it's not like CAs was ever an option
hybrid obsidian
hey
vague token
not utility
real notch
you HAVE to use CL/DD
hybrid obsidian
its donald trump
vague token
i have other ships for utility
elder crane
Like, can't replace belfast smoke, eld skill, helena radar, etc.
real notch
donald trump for as long as i've seen him (3 months) is always using ent
in my opinion and my tier ranking
helena is top tier but not best option
because she's countered by eldridge
if it were me, i would swap out radar for fortune or jueanu
vague token
i wanted to ark royal double cuda with helena
hybrid obsidian
still not bad since the barrage of wash and hood hit backline
real notch
actually
vague token
invuln is better than damage
vague token
lol
real notch
actually it's amazing
hybrid obsidian
im recently move back to using helena from laffey
cuz i was too lazy to trade my laffey gears back from hobby
lol
real notch
that loli is the devil
vague token
i find laffey's terminator mode torps to go too wide
while aya's demon dance go straight forward
hybrid obsidian
turn out shes really bad as of now, hue, tho her lines got me
vague token
makes it more likely to hit backline
hybrid obsidian
its fine, i like the spraying blue bullets of laffey
vague token
xD
hybrid obsidian
my most memorable time with laffey in pvp
was when helena proc her debuff then die
laffey with 5% hp left spray terminator mode
and somehow the enemy vanguard ate all of it then die
20k+ dmg
real notch
lmao
vague token
black heart is 99
hybrid obsidian
1 v 3 with 20% hp left each
hybrid obsidian
as for hobby...
she always die by first airstrike, im kinda sadden
so i never put her in pvp again
real notch
LOL
hybrid obsidian
it pains me for my little star to die
hybrid obsidian
ya
hybrid obsidian
didnt notice any change when the skill proc
real notch
have u maxed them too lol
hybrid obsidian
ugh, not yet, i havent gone farming ch8
after i 3* map
i went back to 7-2
and 6-1
i ve recently done akashi and isuzu
akashi in pvp actually did kinda ok....
takes like only a few resets per fight 
hybrid obsidian
i retire every single purple +blue+white save for 1 copy
using bulin for every tier lb
hybrid obsidian
i suppose
real notch
i think i have too many commission DDs
and too little
CVLs or CAs
or something
LUL
vague token
real notch
๐ whale god plz give me strength
hybrid obsidian
you work right...? if you just take like an hour wage, you can get like 30 slots
lul
aurora deal more dmg to like them misc ships in pve
cargo, fireboat etc
real notch
aurora deals more dmg to CLs and DDs i think
according to the wiki
LOOL my hour wage pays for my bills
vague token
at least add egg and stuff
hybrid obsidian
i put onions in mine, and some beefs
vague token
hybrid obsidian
welp, that was random
anyone using them USS CAs in pvp before? port + indy thing
they seem to have decent AA but i never train em
so far out of all the CAs i used in pvp, only Prinz was at least to a certain extent usable
vague token
port isnt any more durable than indy without kai
or any more damaging
might as well run a dps CA
since they all die just as fast give or take
minus prinz and indy
xD
hybrid obsidian
hm, aint both of them maingun+1?
vague token
only one beaver badge for the two of em
hybrid obsidian
they shouldnt be too horrible when it comes to dealing dmg
vague token
not enough damage
hybrid obsidian
ye, that is true
vague token
for their squish
it isnt so much that they dont have dps
but rather
the damage relative to how fast they die
is bad
you could just run ayanami
and get more damage
immediatelyu
with higher durability until aurora
says hi
vague token
like, im messing around with black heart
hybrid obsidian
oh my
hybrid obsidian
i totally forgot about the neps
vague token
since it takes about 4-5 seconds
hybrid obsidian
cuz i heard they were bad so i just got em and never bother
hybrid obsidian
only 200, wdfudge
hybrid obsidian
well, thats still low.
vague token
because they dont track properly
also note that's with +10 tricolor
for 15% damage
hybrid obsidian
thats her skill ?
hybrid obsidian
ok
hybrid obsidian
i might try her when i get more bulin
vague token
she's still squishy
hybrid obsidian
sitting only on 7 atm, waiting for german engineering
hybrid obsidian
indeed
hybrid obsidian
their time based skills dont look sastifying to me
vague token
they're just terrible
20 seconds for a reduced chance compared to wash
and they dont have the power
hybrid obsidian
the only thing good is that victory thing, if only neptune proc that every 30 secs or something
then i might consider it
vague token
na that's 115 in
hybrid obsidian
ye, i know
vague token
aka your vanguard died an hour ago
xD
ok the +9 skc is hitting for 230 non crit
bit better
vague token
im losing about 4 damage from level penalty
hybrid obsidian
115 secs is like border line A rank
vague token
lol yeah
hybrid obsidian
so its like ye, neptune might save you in a bossing situation
given you have her trained at all
vague token
or maybe not, torpedo CL is iffy still xD
man if black heart was a gunboat
instead of a torpedo CA
would be legit
vague token
well, technically the uh
skill says main gun only
on tri color
BUT IF IT WAS adjusted
to work on both
the AP DD guns
might be good
115% on AP DD guns would be a lot of deeps
hybrid obsidian
whats her FP anyway
vague token
i think she's just under takao class
hybrid obsidian
so like 220 ish
hybrid obsidian
hmm ok
vague token
ok like 20 lower
but that's higher than the US CAs i think
178 on portland
no kai
for reference
hybrid obsidian
only thing i have to compare her with is minne
vague token
xD
vague token
she's for zombies in pve, not pvp
hybrid obsidian
vague token
10% is pointless
when you're under 30
or 25
you're probably going to die to fire at that point
hybrid obsidian
its 16% heal but like
vague token
too slow for pvp
hybrid obsidian
over 15 secs period
vague token
yeah
hybrid obsidian
dead before then
vague token
portland at least boosts team defense 25% of the time
hybrid obsidian
if it work like phoenix then she has a tiny little chance
also if nothing dead then her first skill doesnt do anything at all
vague token
yeah
portland kai is basically a better prinz
so i understand her role
but DPS CAs dont do enough
yet
but hey, everyone is squish when aurora reduces your evade by 35% or w/e
xD
better to get extra hit points
lol
hybrid obsidian
20%
vague token
still a lot xD
hybrid obsidian
i like Kancolle Nagato
; ))
i dont have akagi either
i mean trained *
got her after a random hardmode 1 day
vague token
it's a lot of books to train up akaga xD
hybrid obsidian
so freaking happy
im a yanderecon and yet game doesnt give me akagi early
in the end gotta drop cuz i dont have bulins or the luck for dupes
vague token
hmm, maybe i could meme with like, sandy, a CA for bulk, and belfast
since at least the air strike reduction
still works
so i could shield my CA, who doesnt get hit that hard by evade debuff
hmm
hybrid obsidian
hmm, at one point i went sandy jesus and gold loli
then NC in backline
that was mighty fun going against foxes
hybrid obsidian
well, she s one of my favorite ship so im just being bias
lul
i d probably aim for having mix of CV and BB in the end as well
idle python
wiki is down rn #server-news
vague token
ah
hybrid obsidian
jackpot
odd schooner
hybrid obsidian
lel, still have 5 tix left
recently i ve been forced shutdown alot and miss tix like crazy
idle python
that's why you don't only use emus to play gotta have both
hybrid obsidian
hm, i mainly grind on my oneplus 6
idle python
I should probably attack soon lol
though the only thing I'm doing in en rn is pvp and daily build haven't even bothered finishing the rest of the dailies
hybrid obsidian
emu is a bit inconvience since i cant do it while eating, bathroom, lying down, talking to ppl, etc
lel
idle python
will probably play during kms though
hybrid obsidian
hm , why play 2 servers tho, there s barely any time
idle python
I only rly played en to see how it was like playing the beginning without event ships I had in cn and such
but fw came so early so I kind of lost interest
hybrid obsidian
ah, im totally new so the experience was fresh
idle python
and the collab event going on in cn/jp/kr pretty much showed that I can't keep up well with both, idk how suffolk manages to do it
en also give me the opportunity to ring different ships
hybrid obsidian
ye, i hear many ppl playing alts and were like, why even ...
odd schooner
Cause they can
stable panther
Some people have a much much higher capacity to focus and spend their time for games
hollow dawn
Just a reminder that clubs have strict on-topic rule and discussion should be kept to PVP 
rancid totem
Have you tried entering the leave command in #bot-spam ?
charred sable
Hmm, Aurora or Helena? ๐ค
charred sable
we dont have lvl 120 stats yet so Im not convinced that countering evasion is as big an issue
charred sable
is Aurora gold or purple
slow totem
Fk I forgot
charred sable
RIP, purple
slow totem
Purple
charred sable
so Id have to go out of my way to oath her
slow totem
You oath for stats?
charred sable
for PvP? of course
charred sable
otherwise Id only oath golds
well its not entirely for stats
its for consistency
slow totem
Well you do Oath for Love right?
slow totem
You donโt oath ships you donโt actually like cause just for stats, yea?
charred sable
I only have one love, and that is Belfast โค
slow totem
Stat-Oathers confuse me (and a hell lot of other people)
charred sable
if I were to say I oathed for love, that would lessen my love for Belfast
cause I have almost 30 ship oathed atm lol
slow totem
You still put that ring on your shipโs finger and go on a ceremony
Just to declare your fake love to 29 ships
Ayyyyy, not for me
charred sable
my goal is to oath every SSR
but having a PvP team that isn't full oathed triggers me
slow totem
At least you donโt oath because you think the 6% would make any difference I guess
I just personally see Oathing as a big thing
glacial spire
I oath for the skin
hollow dawn
"Just a reminder that clubs have strict on-topic rule and discussion should be kept to PVP"
slow totem
You donโt just marry left and right without purpose, it doesnโt make sense in my head, even medieval nobles didnโt do that and those were tough times
Oh noes, Restart, I just quoted you
Summoned
slow totem
assuming I would want to
1v1 me pee vee pee
charred sable
oathing does increase your power score displayed in the PvP team listing though doesnt it?
slow totem
Barely. But if you see a too high of a number, Target that fleet
Cause that fleet put Number > actual performance with big dicc golds even if they are bad.
Thatโs why I conditioned myself through experience to see that Full Oathed fleets actually perform worse than partial Oaths or no Oaths often.
That is assuming the extra 6% make any tangible difference. Which it doesnโt.
charred sable
Id argue the decision to oath and the ability to put together a competent PvP team are unrelated ๐
slow totem
I would subscribe to that argument and agree
100% agree
Oath Spammers often put up bad bad teams, or gear them up badly.
Just wanna make people realize that the 6% increase for 600 gems is laughable cost to profit ratio
But I oath too, I oath because I love that ship. Not stat crutch
charred sable
There is one other non-stat benefit to oathing that is relevant to PvP though
Oathing allows for custom names, and PvP fleets are one way of showing off custom messages to other players
slow totem
That is a very fair point.
Like uh, โFresh Prinzโ โOfโ โBelAirโ I saw once
Helena took the โOfโ spot. Poor Helena
charred sable
like regardless of the meta, my future PvP team is very likely to be the following:
Nagato | Akagi | Kaga | Belchan | Edinburgh | Belfast
Touch | Fluffy | Tail | Lewd | The | Maids
cosmic stratus
@rancid totem Yeah lol. There is truly no escape. It applies for other clubs as well I believe
slow totem
๐ซ
charred sable
modern tree
I have a feeling that everything centered around Aurora is an exaggeration
modern tree
I am curious to see this apparent new pvp trump card do anything. On defense. Where it has to stand against 20% more damage with it's rather modest defense
Maybe people are hyping her up hoping for easier games
hot creek
what did they announce auroura and nagato or something?
lime rivet
Aurora.
idle python
though in CN wasd was still at the top they just added aurora to their own fleets
though tbf en doesn't have shells yet
hot creek
anyways auroura is deadly cause your vanguard is going to eat torps and even more when mag torps release. but i hear she's isnt that huge until Jintsuu and Nagato come, when those two arrive you should be scared.
hollow dawn
auroura is deadly cause your vanguard is going to eat torps and even more when mag torps release they're added at the same time 
Aurora and mags
hot creek
I see. mags are gonna be annoying cause they'll be hitting your backline too. but your mags won't be able to reach enemy's backline LUUL
grave gale
But who are you gonna take out for Aurora?
Still need Eldridge as long as people use Enterprise.
grave gale
Belfast is still quite good and you take a lot of damage from Fox users without her
The third slot is usually Helena, Juneau or Fortune
Fortune does nothing against Enterprise. She only protects your back
Enterprise's threat is nuking your vanguard right away with lucky e
odd schooner
Enterprise isn't really an issue if you use foxes
grave gale
That is true. Which is why I think aurora is only good with foxes
I don't see much place for her with wasd
odd schooner
She disappears in less than 20s
Maybe
Just maybe they will have lesser reset
On anti akaga fleets
If the user is using fox + aurora
idle python
aurora def benefits foxes more but it's still very nice for bbs to let their slots not miss still (and frontline guns)
odd schooner
I'm still into building a wall on foxes tho
idle python
odd schooner
I don't really mind if wasd E breaks my fleet
They will still use 1min. On killing it
Aris has a YouTube eh
Lmao
lime rivet
Just gotta wait for Dork to show up now
charred sable
Our level cap is still 100
CAs and CLs dont have high evasion like they do at lvl 120
evasion reduction isn't as big a differentiator here for global
Aurora's not bad, but she won't be a game changer for global like people are being mislead to think
lone pendant
lol
spiral hull
CA and CL dont have high evasion
but CL evasion is already decent
evasion reduction isn't as big a differentiatior
in a meta consisting only of DD/CL vanguards, yes it still is
odd schooner
Tho i guess I'll swap fortune with aurora
Or can she still survive an akaga airstrike
idle python
I think she probably should still be able to with belfast support, for now
wise summit
I'm slow, aurora is coming?
slow totem
Yeah, tomorrow
hybrid obsidian
Im just gonna sit and watch, if anything I ll just get and max her myself if she becomes a trouble in pvp
trail hollow
Imo she wont be a problem till other stuff arrives specially the 120 cap
modern tree
She will probably not make as much impact as people expect, but she's still a straight upgrade to Helena
Non stalling fronts don't work all that well and while I am curious to see what she can do, she's probably only just one step closer to changing that, and we are a couple of those away
hollow dawn
native mantle
hey what would be a recommended comp with that ships:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/522446526145101840/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/522446653723115526/unknown.png
hybrid obsidian
main fleet for now you can use Enterprise, Arizona and Yorktown, front linr train up your phoenix, cleveland and belfast
livid fractal
I'd say Cleveland, Helena and Belfast
hybrid obsidian
oh, didnt see helana there
native mantle
buy south darkota when i reaching 20k coins?
livid fractal
Do you have Washington?
Since those two are good to pair with
I recommend farming 3-4 for foxes
native mantle
allright. then what to do with that 20k pvp currency?
livid fractal
its up to you if you want to buy south Dakota or Eldridge, but for me I would buy Purins instead
If you need those two, or focus on limit breaking other sr ships
native mantle
ty. so dakota is only worth it with washington?
livid fractal
Well you can use her vs enemies but yes she's more suited in pvp along with Washington
native mantle
allright. something to farm besides foxes?
zenith tundra
for pvp not much. for collection there's poi and maya
or u can start farming t3 plates for equips
spiral hull
@native mantle save oil for event tomorrow
native mantle
aye had wanted sto spam tomorrow^^
modern tree
Level your Enterprise together with her skill, put her with York and Saratoga, slap Belfast Cleave and Helena together in front and hope for the best. If you are serious about getting into pvp, farm Foxes or Queen Elizabeth. Remember that level differences have huge impact on damage you deal and receive so try to focus on getting your pvp ships up to 100 asap. You will get gear as you play from boxes and if you dont, you can always farm plates while farming things you are missing
Foxes will probably be a better investment if you care only about pvp, but QE really outclasses them if you care about pve just a little bit
Starting out, Enterprise should be more than enough to farm merits for you
Doesnt really matter what else you use as long as it is not horribly underleveled and without any gear
native mantle
was trying to get my lucky E to 6 stars next
zenith tundra
i would suggest getting some good pve ships 1st. some pvp ships are almost irrelevant for pve like juneau/eldridge. focusing too early on pvp will make it harder to farm pve
modern tree
my experience in the first pvp season I ever played was just restarting my games until I got lucky e enough times to win
Enterprise has a benefit of being relevant in pve for a damn long time
but otherwise, I recommend building a fleet around Queen Elizabeth because its cheap and really effective
zenith tundra
enterprise and hood are good both pve and pvp
hybrid obsidian
as long as a ship can grind 6-1, it s not too bad for pve
just slap on auto loaders
i rmb the pain of doing 200 aff for em
but wasnt too bad in the end
modern tree
any combination of ships can 1-1 6-1 as long as they are above lvl 80
zenith tundra
if u want to farm harder stuff tho is better to have actual good pve ships
hybrid obsidian
anyhow, good to take phoenix for a lvling trip
zenith tundra
i never used them for pve outside of leveling but i guess viable. maybe too costly tho
hybrid obsidian
she aint that bad in either mode
hollow dawn
While I'm not punishing anyone, but please stick to pvp
real notch
modern tree
Fleet advice is always weird because farming merits is really not very difficult to do and trying to get to high ranks is probably impossible when starting out so seeing docks with not a single ship close to lvl 90 is like, eeh, play the game
zenith tundra
before level 100 use of higher lvl ships is always best
modern tree
I farmed pvp with Enterprise, Rodney, Unicorn Indy Port and Phoenix
before I had time to rise ships that would be useless for pve
zenith tundra
i used long island sara printz belfast and z23 for a long time
native mantle
was going for a egyptian god vanguard setup with lkucky E, yorktown and some BB/BC for pve so that pvp setup isn't to muchb away from it^^
livid fractal
@balmy torrent https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WjUf8Mfiffs&t=29s
grave gale
I don't think there's the pvp 50% damage reduction there
elder crane
Ah, manual vs auto, easy win then
grave gale
foxes would shit all over people
elder crane
I think you underestimate how powerful manual control is
zenith tundra
15 ships omg... juneaus 1st to die 25%*14 heal lol
elder crane
AA for one, will be much more powerful
KMS can work, but isn't great
It doesn't have the ships it needs
The mirror mode is 6 ships at once, not all 16
grave gale
well yeah. You can use aya and face torp their vanguard
grave gale
but if foxes do their full pve damage. All matches are gonna end on their first strike
elder crane
Lol no, have you run proper defensive frontlines?
and manual control will wreck planes
grave gale
I'm talking about from the offensive prespective not defense
and pvp has a 50% damage reduction and 100% HP boost
this mode doesn't have that
elder crane
In that case, probably. I misinterpreted what you meant, sorry.
native mantle
so HMS fleet is the only one that suits for pvp?
elder crane
For PvP, the main fleets are HMS, AKaga, and WASD
native mantle
WASD?
elder crane
All three perform closely enough that it doesn't matter too much
Washington+South Dakota
Or Ark, or Illustrious, or Nocal, etc.
It's better put as Wash+SoDak+Flex slot
native mantle
itws a shame that KMS isn't like HMS good in both modes...they are all looking awesome^^
elder crane
Yeah, the ship selection just isn't there for it
It can still work ofc, since offense has advantage.
elder crane
Issue is, frontline is ???
You have no native counterplay options in KMS
Best backline for KMS is GZ+Tirp+Enty/Ark/etc.
native mantle
eventualy with graf spee later
elder crane
Spee is a frontline CA
native mantle
and a eternity alter with bismark as BB^^
zenith tundra
u can use enty in kms fleet or hood
elder crane
But then you're back to no good 3rd option, since Tirp needs no other BB/BC
zenith tundra
no bc too?
elder crane
You laugh, but that can work
native mantle
with tirpoiz ya can't use any BB/BC/BM
zenith tundra
then id go for enty with graf and tir
native mantle
i jsut like the look of the KMS fleet
elder crane
And, we still have the issue of frontline selection
KMS has few good PvP frontline ships
native mantle
what makes HMS in both mdoes that great?
elder crane
HMS has the ship selection it needs
Almost any role you want
Many of the natively strongest PvP and PvE ships are already HMS ships
So you're running stuff you already would be, and the buff is just icing on top of that cake
grave gale
HMS would be a lot better if QE wasn't a mediocre ship stat wise.
The problem with HMS is that you always have to bring her along
somebody who's only good for the stat buff
native mantle
whats with the other fleets like sakura etc.?
grave gale
Nagato certainly isn't mediocre. lol
elder crane
Nagato is amazing even when solo
She's an upgraded Nelson/Rodney (minus a bit of AA)
Let that sink in ๐
native mantle
so a Sakura fleet would jsut be a better HMS in all terms?^^
elder crane
HMS still has a very strong ship selection, but overall it gets a bit overshadowed
Only a bit though
native mantle
why is then sakura fleet atm no option in pve/pvp?
elder crane
We dont have nagato
native mantle
oh
elder crane
So, since no Nagato, no point in making pure sakura fleet
Just plop in whatever is strong
Same reason why WASD without Essex isn't "the US fleet", no point in restricting to just USN ships
zenith tundra
missing sendan class and yukikaze so no real option
elder crane
Mmm, still no point in making pure IJN without Nagato, the third backline slot is missing
zenith tundra
but we dont even have jintsuu for aya
elder crane
And jintsuu/aya is often preferred over ykkz if you want to go full torp
Yep, they're different roles
zenith tundra
i would put yukikaze in def tbh
elder crane
Actually, you want torps as def team
Torpedos are stronger on def than off
Since the attacking backline is closer to the fight, and stray torps will hit them much more
native mantle
last fleet is that EN fleet with prinz of wales?
elder crane
Hmm, no meta PoW team I've heard of?
Do you mean Duke of York?
native mantle
a quetion that was in the pvp-document. are that working if I'mjust between 50-70?
zenith tundra
u can use it as a guideline to know what to lvl imo
elder crane
Levels and equipment matter much more until those are maxed
native mantle
yeah but many ppl in #gameplay-help said just to use 1 main 1 vanguard and i got mostly defeated cause of that
cosmic stratus
Akashi meta
elder crane
Reduced teams is for PvE, not PvP
modern tree
This is w12 farm fleets
elder crane
Defense in PvP really doesn't matter, so just run whatever
slate estuary
or yes farming
elder crane
You use reduced teams for cheaper oil cost, but PvP doesn't take oil
no reason to ever not run full PvP teams
grave gale
PVP would be boring if people ran nothing but joke/meme fleets
so using such is effectively killing it
Nah. Meta fleets are good because they can provide a challenge. You won't always faceroll them. If rng isn't on your side then your win may not be certain.
Of course you can reset but that doesn't mean you took away the challenge. You're just retrying. No different from losing to a boss battle and retrying till you win. The failed attempts don't just go away when you reset.
modern tree
I'd not go as far as calling something you have very little influence over and comes down to getting lucky "challenge" per se. Obviously there is some skill and knowledge required to excel at it, but optimisation can only take you so far, rest is just watching it unfold favourably or not
grave gale
There is some degree to strategy to it that people usually don't bother with and that's swapping ships out/moving them around to counter your opponent.
Instead of always running the same thing
That would probably would become more of a thing if you couldn't reset
modern tree
And I am not trying to lessen anyones achievements, I'd not be here if I didn't really care about those tiny optimisations making the difference, and I'd not be running almost exclusively HMS on attack just because I feel like I have the most decissions to make with the fleet
but hey, in the end getting rank 1 is going to be rolling dice the best out of all the people that tried to get it
if you couldnt reset your games, I'd have 0 interest in pvp
grave gale
There's no feeling of accomplishment from beating a joke/meme fleet. Yes, I know. PVP has a big offensive advantage but you still feel some accomplishment from beating meta compositions with high power levels.
Especially if the match was close
modern tree
just pick easiest games, farm currency, bully weak/underleveled/undergeared fleets
resets is what makes this mode interesting and without it there would be little point of tryharding because you will always get games where enterprise hit E 80 times in a row and just wiped the floor with you alone, nothing you can do
grave gale
Enterprise would have to be nerfed if you couldn't reset. That's true
70% chance to make herself invincible is too much
idle python
no resets would also make some nakaga mirros pretty stupid
i.e. unmarried vs married nakaga
modern tree
no ressets would mean that you lose roughly 50% of your games to opening magtorps also
no counterplay to that, they hit good you die
idle python
often times I just safety reset even if I have a chance of winning with attacker advantage if both frontlines die on the first airstrikes and I don't have a pretty big hp advantage or luck b.c. I know I'm always launching after them
grave gale
The mirror mode sounds like a better pvp mode to me.
modern tree
I'd wager most mirror mode matches will end on preloaded torps as well, so hard to call it a solution to anything 
idle python
though in the end idrc care if reseting was or wasn't a thing in pvp
they have their ups and downs
zenith tundra
i always move my ships around and change fleet based on opponent. in the end 1st trying a hard opponent is most fun
modern tree
If only I had a second banana to run akaga without making myself sad for using a purple one
hybrid obsidian
buy more british box on sight, lel
i did that for a month straight and got what i needed
modern tree
I'd do that but also fuck spending coins on boxes, I have better use for that
I am getting every box I see from merit shop, I am just extraordinarily unlucky and end up having to work for pretty much everything in this damn game
are they?
They are heavily limited so its hard to plan on using them, but I dont think they are ever considered bad
hybrid obsidian
well, quint torp has faster rate of launch so its better on cl, ca
quad is for dd
grave gale
the gold quint are T2 instead of T3 since the rainbow is quint
the gold quad are T3 since there's no rainbow version of it
hybrid obsidian
oh, talking abt that t
icic
hm, buying boxes w merit eh
only thing i ever bought w merit is gold bulin
modern tree
I buy boxes and cubes because I will be playing pvp every day for the rest of my life and I have like 8 purins collecting dust atm so I am not oo bothered. Honestly feel like "rare" resource acquisition in this game is pretty darn fast with the exception of gold retrofit bps, which will get better with time
zenith tundra
i still buy purins since i have cranes parked at 90 and nc still 70. plus inc graf an tirpitz so a lot to spend them on
hybrid obsidian
i still have a whole cast of neptunes, then those story mode gals to up
and indeed the incoming german superior engineerings
always thirsting for more gold bulin
native mantle
a question why is wichita bad for pvp?
native mantle
but i thought every CA has a high life pool?
slate estuary
She has low health for a CA lol (she and chicago)
wichita stats
helena stats
And then evade difference is massive
In pvp, (for now) you want the frontline to be tanky AF
due to the lack of good evade aux and 120, CA are not advised for pvp
native mantle
allright ty
slate estuary
tho aurora may shift the meta, wichita is unlikely to have her situation improve
native mantle
why? is aurora that OP?
slate estuary
she's a very major player in pvp even in CN/JP
tho she's normally seen on nakaga which doesn't exist
due to reducing CL/DD evade and doing more damage to DD
native mantle
wait isn't washington after tommrow patch able to build?
spiral hull
No
Aurora and St. Louis are the new general pool build ships being added
Washi is limited to FW
modern tree
You might be thinking of PoW
native mantle
how good is the neko?^^
slate estuary
vamp?
native mantle
or is atago more a wolf?
native mantle
sry^^
slate estuary
native mantle
then how good is the dog^^
slate estuary
no CAs are good for pvp as mentioned above (for the foreseeable future)
native mantle
ah yeah i checked it dunno knowed she is CA
zenith tundra
are ca used at 120?
spiral hull
They gain a considerable amount of evasion to help them survive better
native mantle
why only for aurora?
slate estuary
look at her skills
grave gale
Aurora lowers the evasion of DD and CLs
slate estuary
which i already mentioned above
spiral hull
Aurora reduces enemy CL/DD evasionss
native mantle
ahh ok then its understandable^^
strange shuttle
hybrid obsidian
leftmost?
tawdry kayak
are healer ships worth anything for PvP?
slate estuary
prob left most yeah
modern tree
a streamer I think, Xlice
native mantle
lol 7700 gems
tawdry kayak
I was thinking of trying to do a super-healing lineup with Shouhou Kai/Unicorn/Arizona on backline, Fortune/Juneau/Eugen on front
but I don't want to invest if they're still trash
modern tree
healing ships will never keep up with the damage
modern tree
and they cant heal the backline
slate estuary
he is quite a big streamer
hybrid obsidian
they worth for hp
modern tree
so you will just slowly wither and die to plane suicide and BB mgm shots
slate estuary
kits are for stats
hybrid obsidian
since hp doubles
tawdry kayak
got super lucky and got Enterprise, Hood, and Eugen out the gates which sorta carried me through the entire game
so I never really investigated other ships
modern tree
isnt Eugen just a login reward for playing a week once you start?
tawdry kayak
I think it was, but I also got her as a pull before the login reward
so I had two at that point
hybrid obsidian
ppl tell me she s trash tank, but hey, still very cute so I do have her leveled and all
tawdry kayak
so who is a good tank, then?
I've basically been all but ignoring PvP but now I sorta want Eldrige and South Dakota
hybrid obsidian
umm, the upcomimg admiral hipper seems fine
indiana too, well, those girls w some chance to cut dmg in half when taking em
tawdry kayak
oh, yeah
hybrid obsidian
as of now tho, none of em can really "tank" pvp since low evade = dead meat anyway
tawdry kayak
gotcha
so evasion is more useful than pure bulk?
or is it better to have a ship that does a little of both
actually, scratch that, I need to head out. Thanks for the help anyway
untold folio
zenith tundra
how much is the base amount