pvp

[coral wren]

Thanks sure!

@spiral hull I almost forgot to ask, what order should I put ENT hood and wash

[spiral hull]

You can swap them around as you see fit, hood and washi are both mainfleet snipers though hood does a better job of it (hope their red skills are lv10), just usually try to avoid having enty in the middle since enemy mains often aim for your flag (especially ryuusei and tenzan CVs) @coral wren

[grave gale]

Hood should be center

she has the best barrage

[coral wren]

Aahh okay

[spiral hull]

Usually id put hood mid unless there was an annoying enemy enty that I wanted dead quick, then I'd swap hood to face her

Also btw do you know what gears to use on your ships

[coral wren]

I have tried but I dont have alot of what's top tier weapons

All though it's been a bit so I can't really say at the top of my head what's what

[spiral hull]

Yea that's fine, as long as you know what are good things
Its hard to have good stuff quickly anyway

[coral wren]

I see

ATM I'm just trying to set up my teams for pvp and pve then start going into the gear

[spiral hull]

Yeah sounds good

[charred sable]

HOMING TORPEDOES INCOMING!

[bleak flicker]

tirpitz wow

so opposite color and homings?

[grave gale]

yup

[bleak flicker]

hopefully my saved IBs give me enough homings

[real notch]

@spiral hull my current AA setup is:
sodak - twin 113mm
washington - twin 113mm
juneau - twin 113mm
belfast - bofor
eldridge - twin 105mm

currently experimenting with eldridge AA though

[spiral hull]

@real notch is the difference between 113 and bofors significant on wasd? I have 2 UFOs, wanna know if it's worth farming for more

[real notch]

it's pretty significant

130dmg to 120dmg so 10dmg higher

well, significant relative to the realm of minmaxing

if you're low on UFOs, i'd suggest first slapping it on juneau then washington

[spiral hull]

Alright

Eld wants 105 over the other stuff?

[real notch]

that's what im experimenting

[spiral hull]

I see

Time to farm another ufo then

[real notch]

generally people say a mix of UFO + bofors

but eldridge has the highest RoF in my fleet

at 205

[spiral hull]

I'm using 113 Jun, eld and bofors wasd rn

Though I got 105s

[real notch]

so stacking bofors ~0.88sec RoF on high reload eld seems counterlogic to me

[modern tree]

I sort of wish I was not right about the opposites being next event

but here we are

hope y'all are ready with 50+ kms boxes

cuz magtorp bullshiterry starts next week

[spiral hull]

Rdy sir

[charred sable]

1 rainbow box + 95 gold boxes but only 58 cubes

[spiral hull]

It's ok just 1 build-only ship in event apparently

[modern tree]

pretty sure Zepp z46 and a sub are build only, and they are all pretty important gets

[spiral hull]

No subs apparently

And there's z46

[modern tree]

rerun version has a sub and FW was a rerun version on EN

there might be a Sub

[spiral hull]

They're talking abt this event not being rerun since they're supposed to release subs in general before giving subs in OC

[modern tree]

I can accept that reasoning but wouldnt be happy with it because it means we will have to wait a year for this event to come back to get the best sub, pls no

[spiral hull]

I'd like subs too cuz that u41 or u47 whatever her name was is hote but let's see

[vague token]

yo i heard we getting mag torps

is that confirmed?

[spiral hull]

Not officially confirmed

[vague token]

gah

[spiral hull]

They just posted that we'll be able to obtain tirpitz after 13 dec

[vague token]

gotcha

[modern tree]

Trptz is opposites exchange exclusive as far as we know and opposites means magtorps

[grave gale]

99% confirmed

[modern tree]

on unrelated note, finally got around to testing 410s in HMS

gee, this shit seems stupid and makes me feel bad it took me so long to actually do math

dps loss is like 17% but you fire faster and dead targets can't shoot back, thats on top of fucking with important timing like Enterprise and Eldridge

[real notch]

dps loss as in actual dps loss?

or theoretical

because theoretical loss is like 36%

[vague token]

i just find the 410 to be hit or miss against vanguard cause it doesnt cover much space

other than that it's fine

[modern tree]

it didnt seem nearly that harsh in my calculations, but maybe I messed up something along the way, the important part is that you have more opportunities to actually hit things because you almost completely dance around invincibility timings, and hitting your shots faster when front is dead and both main fleets are burning just wins

[real notch]

ye u r right

about the timings

[vague token]

you just gotta watch the timing

[real notch]

but about ur calculations, it's actually really simple

it's base dmg x amount of shells

so for twin 410mm it's 154 x 2
for triple 406mm it's 156 x 3

so 1/3 shells less means ~35% dmg loss

that's theoretical

[vague token]

honestly wash is the best user of the 406mm imo, since with things like helena boost it syncs really well for blasting the backline

[real notch]

however, in actual you have to account for salvo spread and splash area

[vague token]

and sodak usually goes under 30

[real notch]

i believe between the two BB guns, splash area is the same

[modern tree]

I calculated it with the fiering speeds included so thats probably why my calculation has more than half of this percentage chopped off

[real notch]

but i theorize triple 406mm has a much wider spread than twin 410mm

[modern tree]

I low key think Helena is just horrid in pvp period

weak gunboat with semi reliable skill that has an absolute answer in Eldridge

[vague token]

she's not for shooting vanguard

she's for winning main fleet trades

[real notch]

yeah

^

[vague token]

if i run ark royal 2x cuda

helena works really well

you just nuke the main fleet

[real notch]

even with 20% attack boost, you'll lose against helena's 40% boost

[vague token]

assuming some rng

and helena is a huge troll on defense

where they just out dps you

sometimes

[real notch]

so it's not that helena is a deterrent for eldridge

[vague token]

other times she just crumbles

[real notch]

eldridge is a deterrent for helena

it's the other way around

if eldridge didn't exist helena would definitely be top tier

[vague token]

also, sometimes torp bombers

if they are launched after rainbow

they just ignore vanguard

(if they are in flight they usually dont know xD)

it's weird

same with sodak invuln, sometimes bbs will skip her

during her invuln

but only if they start after

[real notch]

i believe with defense fleets, they will absolutely lose due to 20% attack boost

there is very little RNG that will save you (as a def fleet) against a maxed opponent

until you use helena

then even maxed fleets are scared of you

[vague token]

also, a helena boosted owari da

is even larger

than you would think

because the multipliers dont add

they multiply

so instead of like

2.4

[modern tree]

I would say that Ark would be infinitely more dangerous in a world without Eldridge, all the damn BB shots hitting 100% on top of 6cudas dropping 3 torps each, with possibility of double damage is just nightmare reality

[vague token]

it's 2.8

ark would be dangerous with eldridge if she had 70% chance of double damage

[real notch]

maybe, i haven't tested ark

i just treat her like ranger

a reckless offense strat

not sure if it's actually legit

[vague token]

she's still more reliable than ranger

[modern tree]

Ark is omega stupid when it's allowed to work and the only condition for her to work is no eldridge

[vague token]

those torpedo efficiencies are high

[modern tree]

like

if people ran USS with Ark

[vague token]

i did that until all the eldridge appeared

[modern tree]

and you had no eldridge to deal with it

god save us all

[vague token]

the problem right now is that you lose health trades

because E just invulns

at the same time

so assuming eldridge frontline for both

you both have vanguard invuln

but they had e invuln

and ark just is forced to eat damage

and doesnt get the damage output consistently to make up for it

[modern tree]

well, yeah, not good place for Ark atm, but mine is on standby as soon as people start running reckless stuff with magtorps

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

truu

can't wait for that

[vague token]

squishy DDs waiting to be ark royal'd

xD

[real notch]

ayanami will probably become

more useful in PVP

after magtorps

[modern tree]

I am gonna

[grave gale]

More and more people are already using Ayanami

[real notch]

can't really think of any other significant meta change due to magtorps

[vague token]

ayanami with magtorps means your backline is in more danger

before 20

[modern tree]

try Aya Jav with something I have not decided on yet but probably something defensive

[grave gale]

I'm not sure if I will. I haven't been too impressed with her every time I've tried her out. I'm really liking my set up now.

Helena, Eldridge and Belfast. It's hard to replace anyone

[modern tree]

and then get dissapointed at rng

but probably have fun with it for a while

[vague token]

you reaaaally dont need eldridge AND belfast imo

just swap em out

for the defender

xD

[real notch]

i quite like belfast tbh

[grave gale]

Remove belfast and foxes hit like a truck. Remove eldridge and you risk enty quickly taking out your vanguard and helena is a great damage boost all around and makes even defense fleets a threat

[vague token]

wait is this defense fleet?

xD

[real notch]

really good CL stats, extremely high dmg comparable to backline dmg

and as icing on the top, good deterrent against fox fleets

[vague token]

i dunno, her dps is low though, gun shoots so slow

[real notch]

rly

my belfast does like

[grave gale]

belfast does like 15k for me

[real notch]

13-18k every game

[grave gale]

when the backline does 20-30k

so it's not that low

[real notch]

and i've been using her since september

so like 3 months now

[modern tree]

I run belfast mostly because QE never leaves my fleet. She does pretty damn high damage

for a vanguard ship

[real notch]

yea she does a lot of dmg for me

but i use dildo on her

so

[vague token]

xD

[grave gale]

helena does a lot of damage with the belgun too. Anybody that said tbtsk was better for pvp was talking out of their ass

[real notch]

wtf

[vague token]

i dont think anyone said tbtsk is better

for pvp

[real notch]

who said twin 150mm was better in PVP

[modern tree]

I only ever consider swapping her if I really need more stalling against something that can RNG me to death for one reason or the other

[real notch]

monkaS

[grave gale]

Several people in #gameplay-help said that CLs should use tbtsk in pvp except belfast

[real notch]

big yikes

[modern tree]

heh

[grave gale]

WiS was one of them

[idle python]

I use tbtsk because I'm too lazy to change but I agree belgun is better

[real notch]

big yikes

wis big mistake there

big doo doo

[vague token]

it's more like, do you even have a spare belgun for helena

xD

[real notch]

this is why we have a pvp channel

[grave gale]

I have 4 belguns

[vague token]

oh

i have 0 gold belguns

so

[modern tree]

HE ammo is really hard to pass up for pvp

[real notch]

so we are never responsible for what advice #gameplay-help gives

[vague token]

i just use 127 on my juneau

DD guns with CL stats is fun

atlanta class perks

[real notch]

i use twin 127mm as well on juneau

[modern tree]

Atlanta class will forever use 127 twin

[real notch]

btw lunar

[vague token]

i mean, DD guns have better dps than all cl guns anyways

xD

[real notch]

i've been testing twin 100mm instead of twin 127mm

on eldridge

it's not looking good

typically eldridge procs ex barrage once

[modern tree]

I have been running 100mm since I started running Eldridge and I am not really impressed but I never tried 127

[real notch]

but now with twin 100mm she procs it twice (before dying)

[vague token]

do we honestly expect eldridge to do relevant damage? xD

[real notch]

which is good, but the thing is the bullet pattern of her ex dmg

the first one hits vanguard fairly reliably

but barely hits backline

i'm noticing dmg figures of like 5k-8k with twin 100mm

[vague token]

black heart almost 100 for pvp tri color order memes

just gotta +10 the skc

i just want to gun down destroyers T_T

and pressure CLs

with a gun

[modern tree]

I tried Suffolk for that reason. I probably gave up on it too quickly because she was dealing like 800 damage a pop with her gun, but watching her shoot into nothing so often is unbearable for me

[grave gale]

it always amuses me when eldridge is the last vanguard standing and taunts the enemy's backline by using rainbow and dancing around.

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

fucking CA guns

[vague token]

if only black heart was a gunboat

would be godlike

but no, torpedos

reeee

[real notch]

lol yea

love it when eldridge is at like 5 hp

and procs rainbow

and eats airstrikes and bb salvos

[vague token]

just waiting for flood damage

assuming it KOs through invuln

owari da? more like owari sunk

actually, since rainbow and owari da dont negate fire application

sara kai would rip through eldridge and enterprise with the burning + flood skill?

even if it says miss?

or am i misunderstanding that one

[grave gale]

dots can't kill

[vague token]

what, even flood?

man

that's lame

i thought it was just fire

[grave gale]

I think I remember asking if flood can kill and they said no.

I did a search

flood can kill you according to botewaifus

I asked if it was stronger than burning. It is not.

[modern tree]

Saratoga Essex must be fun

[grave gale]

Saratoga waifu material

[modern tree]

gensui is in like less than 24 hours, how the time flies

[vague token]

wiki doesnt have essex's flood ratio

but it's .2 for sara

it probably does between 400 and 500 damage using that formula and assuming that the weapon efficiency uses her dive bomber stat

not too bad

plus it comes with fire

oh wait it's probably more like 300-400 flood damage

it says weapon coefficient

but planes dont have those? xD

so it's probably just 1

although if burning uses the hell diver's listed damage

wouldnt that actually be a crazy burn tick?

(or w/e plane)

[trail hollow]

anyone here?

need someone to check on gears

if its the "best in slot" gears

cuz im not 100% sure.

[grave gale]

Go ahead and post it

[trail hollow]

i heard that SG is best to put on now since shelling isnt available yet

[vague token]

personally i use beaver badge on wash but not really necessary

[grave gale]

it's also best to give her a 410 gun too

so she can kill enterprise easier

[trail hollow]

on who?

washy?

[grave gale]

wait you're using hood. No the gold fc should stay on her

Yeah. Beaver on washington is a good combo.

helps keep her alive longer so she has more out of her powered up state

[trail hollow]

one sec

[grave gale]

Belgun on Juneau instead of the tbtsk

[spiral hull]

How many 113 AAs do you have

[trail hollow]

just 2

[spiral hull]

Give to juneau and washi, give Eldridge the 105 and give bofors to hood

[trail hollow]

Hmm

[grave gale]

I've heard it's best to give Juneau a 113 than a bofor

[trail hollow]

alryt

[grave gale]

and bofor is definitely better than 105 for hood

[trail hollow]

113 on washy?

[spiral hull]

Ya

[spiral hull]

Also I'd personally use 406mk6 on SoDak if I had hood in lineup anyway

[trail hollow]

the thing is 2 406 times with owarida

kinda crap

keeps getting dodged

[spiral hull]

Yes that's why you have hood

[grave gale]

[spiral hull]

Lso hfcr sodak over hood, they'll both shell before lucky E

[trail hollow]

im pretty sure they'll put someone else infront of hood

when they attack

[spiral hull]

18s salvo for 406mk6 +10 sodak with hfcr

Oh that's def fleet

[trail hollow]

yeah

[spiral hull]

Well that changes things

That's fine then

I assumed offense

[trail hollow]

i still use akaga on offense cuz

i love foxes XD

[spiral hull]

Yeah your stuff is fine for def fleet

Cancer

[trail hollow]

cool

thanks for all the help

[abstract cypress]

why belgun when u can 127 double

or 100 for more AA

[trail hollow]

[grave gale]

that is true

[abstract cypress]

im not even jokin

[trail hollow]

i'll test stuff out for now i guess

[grave gale]

I forgot that Juneau can use DD guns

[trail hollow]

and will replace belgun later to compare

[grave gale]

twin 127 is best for her

[trail hollow]

hmm

alrytie then

tnx again

[slow totem]

Heeeeey, I fought a fleet with the exact composition as Nobukun’s just now.

The key? Take out Washington first, without touching Juneau too much.

Ez.

It’s challenging? Absolutely

Is it invincible? Naaaah.

[spiral hull]

What lineup is that

For vanguard

Other than the obvious eld

[glossy jay]

juneau brl

bel

[slow totem]

The enemy? What Kuku said

Mine? Eldridge, Helena, Juneau

[spiral hull]

O same team I use

Jw why HMS main fleet with that vanguard

QE herself is pretty weak I'd just use wasd with hood at that point instead of qe warspite

Assuming you don't have enty

If you had enty, then that team is actually pretty ok to fight

Just have to switch your main's positions

[idle python]

because he likes hms

[spiral hull]

Its half hms, that ain't no hms

[idle python]

though I'm not sure why his warspite is in flag

[spiral hull]

Also I usually don't even find washi to be a problem and also my washi RARELY mvps

Using wasden jun bel eld

13k/12k

It's usually sodak or ent mvping

So I don't think she's really that much a threat

Her shells are quite inferior to Hood's barrage so it's more of a chipping than a proper mainfleet snipe

[vague token]

im pretty sure it does more because on non-owari da you get 3 hits

[hybrid tendon]

I usually kill juneau first

🤔

wash's barrage is shit

it rarely ever hit anything

dunno why shes tier 0

[glossy jay]

id assume synergy with sodak

are her base stats good?

[spiral hull]

Washi shells do 3~4k

If everything hits

And it's less than hood's pretty sure

[hybrid tendon]

her synergy with sodak is useless in pve

[glossy jay]

[spiral hull]

Also wash is still the best "BB" we have in AL EN

So yea

[hybrid tendon]

if sodak with 7k hp dies

you probably already lose

[spiral hull]

She's the only barrage bb, and the barrage while arguably inferior to hood still gets the job pretty much done, she is the best bb we have

Also not rly a topic for this channel I guess

[hybrid tendon]

eh

it is

[vague token]

wait how much does hood barrage do again? xD

[spiral hull]

A lot

[vague token]

i thought it was just good because of its speed

[hybrid tendon]

hood's barrage is more concentrated

[vague token]

relative to power

[hybrid tendon]

and faster

[vague token]

not that it's actually the strongest

[spiral hull]

It's almost fully conctentrated on one target

[hybrid tendon]

wash's fixed at 20s cd

[spiral hull]

While wash barrage itself is split in 2 parts

[hybrid tendon]

not to mention hood's buff

[vague token]

well, wash barrage has a shoot vanguard part and a shoot opposite target part, it's for clearing

like in pve

xD

[hybrid tendon]

tsk

[vague token]

but it does get a good boost from sodak low hp

usually the 2nd barrage does 25% more

[hybrid tendon]

but if sodak's low

you are fucked

[vague token]

not really, sodak going low is good

[hybrid tendon]

probably

[vague token]

more damage for you

[spiral hull]

Sodak going low is just fine

She's gonna go low during main fleet's big atks, that means unless your vanguard was shit, she'll still mostly survive till next main fleet exchange

Unless like 1 hp and cucked by fighters

[vague token]

plus, she can come back from 1 hp with aegis

usually you eat the first air strike

wait a bit

proc aegis

then go into invuln on second wave of damage

then while at 1 hp and invuln, aegis runs out and you get a heal

[spiral hull]

I wish we could manually control aegis timer

[vague token]

for one last attack

[slow totem]

@spiral hull I don’t categorize myself as ‘hms’ or ‘wasdsodak’, I compose teams to what works.

I wasn’t going to use Belfast against WASDHood, what for? Better slot in Helena lul.

QE’s main use is for enabling Hood and Warspite to delete a single backline asap.

In the end, I’ve played for so long (Lvl 87 by now), that I don’t want to just win, but win interestingly, using the same team 24/7 gets boring after a while.

[spiral hull]

But QE is like giving up dmg for 1 slot to gain a bit on the other 2

[vague token]

i mean, she does buff herself

at least

xD

[spiral hull]

Her dmg is like sad

[slow totem]

So? :D

Winning as the underdog feels more satisfying.

[spiral hull]

There's prolly more interesting ways than running one of the meta teams

If u wanted actual interesting

[vague token]

like, queen isnt even that low on firepower

since she buffs herself

[slow totem]

She does 1.5k per shell, more with crits. Good enough for me.

I’ve tried interesting, tell me a team that I haven’t tried yet, go on.

[spiral hull]

Idk when I ran hms, warspite and hood dmg is fucking sweet but QE always balanced out main's dmg

Bunnies

[vague token]

that's because they have skills that multiply their damage

queen has solid stats

on her own

[slow totem]

Foxes Hood? Check. WASDHood/Enty? Check. Check. Foxes Enty? Check

[vague token]

minus AA

her aa is trash

[spiral hull]

Bunnies

[slow totem]

Laffey, Benson, Hobby?!

[spiral hull]

You just mentioned all metas so ehh

[slow totem]

[spiral hull]

Hiryuu soryuu

[slow totem]

Well you said ‘meta team’

Aren’t they Dragons?

[spiral hull]

Yes but you said nonmeta

[slow totem]

[spiral hull]

They are dragons in name

[slow totem]

I didn’t say nonmeta

[spiral hull]

With bunny ears

[slow totem]

I said win interestingly.

[spiral hull]

They're both

[slow totem]

And my interesting is completely subjective.

[spiral hull]

But just switching within meta ships doesn't rly sound interesting

But yeah

Interest is subjective

Using nonstandard comp of standard ships can be called that

[slow totem]

Going by what you said, QE isn’t ‘meta’, so close enough. :D

[spiral hull]

But hms is one of the metas

I just said I find her to be weak in herself

[slow totem]

Ofc. What kind of Queen doesn’t let her servants do stuff?

[spiral hull]

Also if you want interesting

[slow totem]

[spiral hull]

Try out 2 starter kais + Helena or 3 starter kais

With washi

It's fun

So much bloodshed every 20s

[slow totem]

I tried Ayaya, RNG-galore but she facetorped a backline once

[spiral hull]

Also when opponent has eldridge

[vague token]

ayaya isnt that rng

[slow totem]

Ayaya!

[spiral hull]

And she rainbow memes you

[slow totem]

Facetorping is quite RNG

[spiral hull]

But your starter Kai torps just wreck the enemy mains

Lmao

[slow totem]

Most of the time it’s just 1-2 torp hits

[vague token]

oh, i use her as a main fleet snipe

2k-3k health lead

is a big deal

[slow totem]

I’ve tried that, except Jaburin and Z23 aren’t kai yet. :P

[vague token]

xD

[slow totem]

So it’s Laffey - Ayaya - Someone

Cranes also work in niche use, like against WASDHood

Cause they take a long time to kill the backline, longer than WASDEnty or Foxes.

[spiral hull]

Oh jav kai I can't wait for that

I kinda regret kai'ing z23 first

Jav would be more fun for pvp

[slow totem]

Only with QE around, Unfortunately

But this is a waifu collecting single-player game

[spiral hull]

She's still a meme with her dodge

[slow totem]

(gameplay performance wise), Ayaya does the same thing while achieving so much more

[spiral hull]

Ye

[slow totem]

But screw letting people tell you how to play your game

[spiral hull]

But aya laff jav would be more fun than aya laff z23

[slow totem]

I raise who I like, not gonna let some sweaty ‘vets’ tell me how to play my single-player game

[vague token]

it's ok, as a novice, i will tell you how to play instead ;)

[slow totem]

@spiral hull it’s okay, Z46 is coming soon

So you can meme with Z1, Z23 Kai, and Z46

For that Superior German Engineering

[spiral hull]

Ya

Man I'm glad I was leveling z1 lmao

[hybrid tendon]

still missing 1 german backline whos a carrier

tirpitz's skill only works when shes the only BB/BC in backline

[spiral hull]

Use hyuugakai isekai and act as if they're kms

[slow totem]

Perfect Logic

Actually dew it

[lime rivet]

Oops. Lost a pvp battle to an lucky e crit.

Oh well

[odd schooner]

Were you busy to notice

[hybrid tendon]

When you and your opponent have the same type of stand

But yours' stronger

[spiral hull]

20% stronger

[hybrid tendon]

Also just met an ayanami

In pvp

She 1 shotted my eldridgr

I still win somehow

[abstract cypress]

welp

[slow totem]

She YEETed them all

[odd schooner]

Feels like

Everyone on avrora are holding their points

It feels weird lmao

Someone push

@hybrid tendon it's kinda hard to navigate with ayaya right now, she can die in a few BB shells

Her Torps are fun tho.
1.5k demon dance torps
2.4k 610mm torps
I forgot how bicc with supernatural

[buoyant parrot]

That's Me.

[odd schooner]

@buoyant parrot go push

Jk

[hybrid tendon]

nice one

you are like 20 points higher than me

[buoyant parrot]

I'll push later

[odd schooner]

I still do feel like KurisuOkabe is just waiting for last day so I'll just take the 2.5k points and get to work irl

[abstract cypress]

hows lyfe

[prisma gale]

Kurisu best girl

How well would this fleet work

[wise summit]

it'll do fine, but you will probably lose matchups against people playing meta

[prisma gale]

Asd

This is temp until I get ayanami

[wise summit]

hood/akaga is a decent backline, belfast in frontline is good, laffey is so-so for pvp, takao is weak

[prisma gale]

o

I thought she would do a decent amount of burst

[wise summit]

she shares the same problem as all CAs in pvp right now which is they die instantly

[hybrid tendon]

not prinz

she can survive the first barrage

[wise summit]

prinz will not die instantly, but she will also not do anything

[hybrid tendon]

but thats about it

[prisma gale]

Ic

[hybrid tendon]

the older units

really need retro

[prisma gale]

Ill swap her out for eldrige or cleveland

[hybrid tendon]

and stuffs

[wise summit]

eldridge is a good call in this meta because of all the enterprises

[hybrid tendon]

prinz, takao and the like

[wise summit]

I don't know what server you're on but on lex at least you can't swing a cat without hitting enterprise

[hybrid tendon]

they are like fgo's saber

outdated

well I'm doing fine pvp

[livid fractal]

People holding attacks so they could easily get Aotn

[slow totem]

Attack on Titan?!!

[hybrid tendon]

gensui rush is ez tho

[slow totem]

[livid fractal]

I will barely get it at 2204 something

[sturdy lantern]

@odd schooner What's your offense fleet, numbah wan shikikan?

[odd schooner]

@sturdy lantern am already out of the spotlight. Someone's pushing

Fox fleet for offense and if I'm facing wasd hood, i go mirror match

[slow totem]

Where’s that spiderman mirror match meme pic?

Brb

[sturdy lantern]

You didn't mention the vanguards because they're pretty much a non-factor?

[hybrid tendon]

i got so many radars

🤔

torp bulge vs radars

which

[slow totem]

So many raydars, you have to wonder if those are gaydars.

Torp bulge most of the time isn’t that crucial except to specific matchups like Ayaya. The health boost is nice tho.

[hybrid tendon]

well currently I have my whole frontline equipped with radars

for a couple more evasion points

[slow totem]

I like to experiment

So I’d just switch them for the hecc of it.

Up to you.

[hybrid obsidian]

i do raydar on 1 cl

torp bulge should only be on the tank slot, the other if dd take full hp, if cl then i feel 1 box 1 radar is fine

[slow totem]

DD’s can’t equip bulges.

[hybrid obsidian]

i think everyome knows that

[slow totem]

You never know

[hybrid obsidian]

doesnt hurt indeef

[alpine finch]

whats the point req for gensui

2200?

[slow totem]

Yes

[alpine finch]

[trail hollow]

[slow totem]

Gensui rush begins in 2 hours!

[alpine finch]

good thing u get gensui from losing in washington

[hybrid tendon]

[alpine finch]

[slow totem]

[hybrid tendon]

[alpine finch]

gensui the reset after the next on washy

[livid fractal]

Staying awake till 4am for gensui rush

then gonna be stuck below rank 11

[alpine finch]

Yikes

[sturdy lantern]

[odd schooner]

Gensui rush for Avrora

[modern tree]

I dont think Sandy got the memo about the rush part

[coral wren]

this week have been tough to sandbag in washy

its like half the server stopped doing pvp

[bleak flicker]

i wonder if some is able tor each gensui of the top 50

im sitting at 2102, had to eat some 9er last few days...

at washi

[elder crane]

I'm 4 points short

[modern tree]

I have 6 attempts left with 56 points to go, which means I can only eat four 9s for gensui, but that would require people to play and they dont seem to be doing that, whcih is rather bizzare

[sturdy lantern]

Everyone is waiting for everyone to make the first move

[modern tree]

I missed one game, I expected more people to have perfect score by now, more than 3

[sturdy lantern]

Perfect score is the one you get by always attacking the left-most opponents?

[livid fractal]

People are not attacking?

[bleak flicker]

one of my opponets moved

[modern tree]

nobody is going for it

[bleak flicker]

but i keep waiting

[grave gale]

Sitting at 7th with 4 plays.

[bleak flicker]

[modern tree]

25 minutes passed with everyone sitting on 5 attempts

[bleak flicker]

mind games

best part of AL pvp

[coral wren]

does pvp give EXP?

[grave gale]

We have the same score daxam

[modern tree]

yes, but I reached it first so I am the top tonight

I mean

cool

[grave gale]

[sturdy lantern]

@coral wren yeah, quite a lot, especially considering 0 oil spent

[coral wren]

awesome

[grave gale]

This is the first season where people haven't rushed.

[sturdy lantern]

Evolution

[modern tree]

I am genuinely creeped out by nobody being at gensui points half an hour after it became possible

[coral wren]

maybe everyone got bored of pvp

[livid fractal]

Those +9 gave me headache

[coral wren]

pvp where ppl dosnt get locked out of the top is not really pvp

[livid fractal]

I can't find higher rank, and ran out of refresh

[coral wren]

pray rng

[livid fractal]

So I decided to get +9 instead and barely get AotF

[alpine finch]

@❄DoGGuNNowo狗狗❄#6969 it's cuz there's a giant gap in washy

[coral wren]

10/10 tag

[slow totem]

Aaaaand done,

[modern tree]

40 minutes passed, nobody on Sandy has gensui

[coral wren]

I have a question about the last entry reset

do u always get 5x at the start of a new season?

even if u have 5x attempt from previous season?

[slow totem]

Wrf

Wtf

No internet

Stop

[modern tree]

yes, you always start a season with 5 attempts

[coral wren]

ah ok

damn I wasted 5 attempts last season

[modern tree]

so if you have any leftover they are lost

[slow totem]

You always got 5

Yea, I let that happened twice in a row

[coral wren]

I thought it would be 10 for some reason

[slow totem]

Rip 450 merits

Wait, Twice in a row... so 900

[coral wren]

should be 500?

since its like impossible to get out of gensui in washy

[slow totem]

Nah, 90 merits per win

I’m in Lexington

[coral wren]

oh

must be hard to have ppl actually play the game

[slow totem]

You mean Manual Play?

[coral wren]

no no

ppl that actually do pvp

[slow totem]

It’s automode + infinite reset + attacker boost.

More like a side quest that gives extra purins

[coral wren]

its hard to get 11 in washy

[slow totem]

Not really if you aren’t a one-trick pony

[sturdy lantern]

Not really, it's hard to stay if anything

[coral wren]

try pvp in washy

[slow totem]

That’s the newest server, right? So the power level would be lower, by natural progression.

[livid fractal]

PvP in Avrora is very alpha

[sturdy lantern]

Hmm, and what's so special about it in Washi?

[livid fractal]

[coral wren]

its dead af

[slow totem]

Newest server, not many people have endgame stuff too much yet

Give it a few months

[coral wren]

its been like 3 months already tho

but I dont mind it

I can get more merits

[sturdy lantern]

Dunno, it seemed quite lively to me after the refresh

[slow totem]

Well, Avrora and Lex have like, 6 months?

That’s twice the amount of time

[coral wren]

yea

[sturdy lantern]

Do you even need that much time

[slow totem]

As in for the natural power level progression of the whole server

[sturdy lantern]

FW was the only event with meta ships anyway

And we've already got it

[slow totem]

Washy will naturally be lower by virtue of time

Not ships

But +10 BiS Gold gear and such

That takes time.

And not everyone is a hardcore grinder.

[sturdy lantern]

They shouldn't bother with getting high pvp scores anyway

[slow totem]

It’s 4 extra purins per month, on top of the weekly stuff and log in bonuses.

So I do bother, cause I love purins

Flexing rights? Pffh, no, purins.

[sturdy lantern]

Looks like I'm still doing something wrong cuz I can barely get a single one

[slow totem]

[coral wren]

what is purins again

the sr or elite

[slow totem]

Gold Bullin

Prototype Bulin

[coral wren]

oh

[slow totem]

Purin

[coral wren]

oh 4 per month

I read 4 per week

nvm

[slow totem]

4 extra per month

4 per week POG

gib

[coral wren]

xD

[slow totem]

But not that lucrative lul

[coral wren]

I was like the fk. I can only get 1 per season

how is he getting 4

[slow totem]

[coral wren]

[slow totem]

It happens

Y E E T

[sturdy lantern]

They should be rare anyway, otherwise it would be E X T R A boring

[slow totem]

They aren’t that rare.

Compared to gold Gears and gold bps

Reeeee!

Gold BPs

Reeeee!

[sturdy lantern]

Well, they're not farmable at least

[coral wren]

since 6-1H I am actually getting 1 t3 bp per day

[slow totem]

They’re farmable only in PvP, the sole reason why I do them (beyond SoDak and Eldridge).

[coral wren]

a nice upgrade from 5-1

[odd schooner]

[slow totem]

Shiieeeeet

Gib those t3 bps

Yay! Sweet 2500 merits.

[odd schooner]

I check kurisu a while back. He has 6 points advantage again. Deja vu

He had 7 points advantage last season

[slow totem]

I just want my merits (for purins), couldn’t care less about actual ranking

It all goes away per season anyway, purins don’t go away

[coral wren]

only going for gensui for the 10 extra merits

[livid fractal]

Yikes, I'm happy just getting pass 2200

And people are +2 wins far ahead

[slow totem]

If you’re aiming for that 2500 merits, it’ll be fine

If you want big dicc end of season nanba wan, not my cup of tea

Too much sandbag = too much stress, not worth

Just got one too

[sturdy lantern]

🔪

[modern tree]

one hour passed, nobody on Sandy has gensui yet

[serene knot]

gold barracuda or tenzan for the enty?

[livid fractal]

Barracuda is best overall

[modern tree]

barracuda will be more consistently good

you can experiment with tenzan to see how you like the rng

[sturdy lantern]

Infinite resets

[modern tree]

can someone get gensui on sandy

please

I fucked up and I need to wait now

just get it, its free

this is scaring me

[odd schooner]

What if the reason no one is pushing cause if they get +9s they will be lacking points for 2200

[modern tree]

I am one game down and I could have made it if I didnt tank a +8 because I was not paying attention

people can grab it

they just dont want to

still actually nobody on gensui

charges reset in 2 hours and nobody went for it

[vague token]

i slept through 5 matches, oops xD

[hybrid tendon]

Done rushing

[hot creek]

lol sandy is a bunch of lazies

[abstract cypress]

in lex after reset, top dudes already got +50 when u just finish 1 match

[glossy jay]

How do I make my sodak go to work

She always just sit and do nothing

Lazy bote

[vestal crypt]

Just put her in flagship with Washington

She will do her job by not dying so fast

[abstract cypress]

up her red skill to 10

[hybrid obsidian]

she mvp most of my pvps, what you talking about

[sharp dagger]

that's the point of sodak, she's there to soak up damage, not do damage

[slow totem]

Soak up damage, sometimes do sneeki breeki double damage, but most importantly, sets Washy on a permanent +30% damage rage mode.

[glossy jay]

Only once in hundreds of pvp bottles did she mvp

[slow totem]

It’s something

XD

[glossy jay]

She usually sits in a quarter of dmg

Hecking heck. Bb secondaries actually do work

Washi was 1:3 the enemy vanguard

[slow totem]

MonkaS

American Duel

[hybrid tendon]

pfff

we all know this is the real american duel

[vague token]

eww

enterprise center

xD

[vague token]

xD

i always put wash across from e to prevent that

[slow totem]

Embrace the Wild West, bru

[vague token]

neverrrr

[lime rivet]

Oof. Avrora top is 2300. Gensui at around 2260

I'm sitting at 2230.

Gonna be pure luck for me to get gensui now

[edgy kiln]

done

lost once this season

[abstract cypress]

so its u

theres also 30 dude above whos rushing

no gensui fucc

[edgy kiln]

heh

good luck drawing my fleet

easy one

[abstract cypress]

im missing too much tries b4

basically i need to win all 5 b4 someone done 2

i found ur fleet few days ago iirc

that kind of front is squishy

[edgy kiln]

i stopped caring about that

ever since i switched my strategy to sandbagging

now i just set easy fleet for others to have an easier time

lol i just realized my Helena wasn't with the main gun when i fought through 5

[slow totem]

What Colonel said

Defense fleet is quite irrelevant.

You can be a dick and use WASDEnty/Hood with Jnueau Belfast Eldridge.

But eeeeeh...

[abstract cypress]

said that to 92892831038912 dudes who makes harder fleet

[slow totem]

Infinite resets + attacker boost just means you are wasting people’s time.

ResidentSleeper

[abstract cypress]

thx to em i cant rushing lower than 10 mins

including me~

[slow totem]

Precisely. That’s why I put Ark - Vert + Mutsuki DDs fleet for defense.

[hybrid tendon]

put 6 ships on your defense fleet

so that ppl get more exp

[wise summit]

took -4 trying to take #1

pretty sure there's a couple people who can bump me but STILL

[bleak flicker]

im currently testing my defense lineup: what u guys think, is a classic sodak+washi lineup with hood or enty better for stalling/defense?

hard to get feedback

[modern tree]

I think hood is harder to deal with on defense because it doesnt have a straight counter like enty and the buff combined with extra backline pressure is really annoying

[bleak flicker]

yeah the enty counter was the reason why i swapped her for hood

[slow totem]

Hood makes Washy ez pickings for my HMS snipers.

Enterprise makes Enterprise easy pickings instead.

No defense is without chinks

[bleak flicker]

sure, though on my server nearly no ones runs hms fleets anymore

[slow totem]

Washy ded, no Invul for Sodak.

On defense ofc

It’s about attack

[modern tree]

thing is, hood proccing makes wasd shell you faster which is a bunch of damage, a bunch more than enty that was eaten by op rainbow does

[slow totem]

That’s one of the pros

I use that comp on attack as well and it works wonderfully

[modern tree]

more opportunities for Sodak to RNG your opponent is always good

[slow totem]

I still stand by my opinion that defense fleet is irrelevant. Outside of memes or oath flexing.

If you mean actually defending your ranks

[bleak flicker]

yeah i asked more in the area of stalling

not actually be able to defend reliable

[slow totem]

Yeaaaa that doesn’t work

Tho others might say otherwise

[modern tree]

I think that wasd hood is more likely to make people reset than wasd enterprise, is my final statement

[bleak flicker]

i think i stick to hood, i think objectively it gives others a harder time

if i want to stall

[modern tree]

I believe so

I know it bothers me a lot more than seeing enteprise ever does, nowadays

even if I dont end up reseting on it

[slow totem]

Hood (instead of Enty) enables me to eschew Eldridge for someone else, like Helena

It’s quite a fresh match

Rather than Enty Enty Enty Rainbow Rainbow Rainbow all the time

[modern tree]

dunno if I'd dare to dump eldridge in the matchup, 406 focused strikes from sodak have booped me one too many times, but I guess using Juneau in this case is valid

might just be that I am lazy and this is a justification

[slow totem]

As long as there’s no Enty, No eldridge works

Try it~

No harm in it anyway

Inf resets

[bleak flicker]

verdict: atk. always in advantage (ut that we already knows)

[slow totem]

Well if you want to be pedantic

Attacker actually has a disadvantage in the initial torp spam

Cause the battle starts slightly to the left, not dead center

So enemy torps have more chance to hit your backlines than your torps on theirs

[modern tree]

its okay, we will all learn that in a week

[slow totem]

Mwahahaha

[modern tree]

when magtorps will just swim past the front and wipe backline randomly

because why nooooot

[slow totem]

Time to put Gridley, Fubuki, and Ayaya on defense fleet for the memes

[bleak flicker]

oh didnt know that lol

[modern tree]

Lesser known PvP mechanics:

All ships have double the HP
All ships also seem to take half damage. This means ships in PvP have about a 4x effective HP multiplier
You deal 20% more damage to the enemy fleet.
The battle occurs closer to your side on the map.
EXP gained is determined based on the Enemy's total level, not their power rating.
Planes reaching the end of the screen will deal "touchdown" damage based on their remainign health, this is why every pvp guide ever tells you to use Aviation Oil Tanks.

[hybrid tendon]

defense fleet is for gensui rush

you have to delay people

long enough

so that you can slip in

[slow totem]

I never delay people and got Gensui every season tho, inc the DST Abuse season

[hybrid tendon]

if it cost them 10 more seconds

its a success

[slow totem]

I’m floating at Rank 4 for 6 hours now

Makes me think it isn’t mandatory

[hybrid tendon]

after getting gensui and #1, I took a screenshot then just swap an exp fleet in

and farm those who put weak defense fleets

for exps

lul

top 10 is meaningless

after you got the 2500\

[slow totem]

Still, I never delay and got Gensui every season

Inc the DST abuse season

My defense fleet is Ark Royal, Vert, and Mutsuki DDs

So it doesn’t matter, you’ll get gensui anyway(?)

Unless you miss/lose too many matches but that’s obvious

[modern tree]

on sandy nobody went for gensui so I guess it really doesnt matter what I do

[slow totem]

I am in Lexi

Some put more importance on defense fleets than what the fleet actually achieve

It delays people? Sure, some maybe, not all

[hybrid tendon]

I'm on avrora

its hardmode

[slow totem]

Does it matter in the end? Eeeeeeeeeh

[hybrid tendon]

[slow totem]

Lexi has 13.6k BiS Full Oath fleets too

Not an obstacle

I bet you don’t find them to be an obstacle either

In actually preventing you to gain wins

[hybrid tendon]

everyone got a full oath fleet

[slow totem]

Much less of them in Sandy I bet

Or Washy, new servers

[hybrid tendon]

which is the commander level limit

🤔

150?

[slow totem]

Think about it, if you can beat 13k BiS Oath fleets consistently, What’s making your defense fleet not beaten consistently as well?

[hybrid tendon]

I have seen someone level 99

[slow totem]

Hmmmm... nah, you can go more

But no laifu to the max

I’ve seen 106

[wise summit]

enterprise is the "best" defense main fleet to run because you operate on the assumption that your defense fleet is always going to lose anyway generally speaking but no other ship can abruptly bullshit people out of what they think will be wins via lucky E

just based on personal experience anyway, it's also trivially easy to stonewall new/developing players with your doomfleet if you want to prevent non-meta players from getting a win off you for some reason

[hot creek]

yeah going against wasd+hood is almost always free win for me. wasd+E is not.

[modern tree]

equipment difference I suppose

when I fight enterprise she hardly makes any impact even if I totally ignore her because of op rainbow and double 410

you cant really stall any damage if front is ramming you and back shoots outside of E timing

[wise summit]

yes, when you specifically build to foil anything you are going to foil it

I'd put forward that enty will in general manage to catch people who fail to respect her more than any other ship since her damage is incredibly bursty

and can delete all 3 in a low hp backline in one instant which other ships simply can't without the player being able to hit reset

[modern tree]

Maybe I just grew acustomed to Enterprise being on every fleet here, even when she doesn't necesairly have any synergies. I am a lot more scared of sodak rng shots than enterprise existing. Or maybe its just how HMS ends up working out

[slow totem]

Enty is a solo powerhouse

HMS cripples solo powerhouses

Sooooo yes.

[alpine finch]

Had a two minute enty standoff and won

[slow totem]

Bet it was heart-thumping.

[alpine finch]

I had 10% HP left on enty

Both of us didn't proc on the last one

[slow totem]

I have a better image.

[alpine finch]

But my plane suicided faster