pvp

[untold folio]

Aimed is better in pvp

[slow totem]

I don’t need more RNG on top of Lucky E

[vague token]

with double aim

but because wash exists, she eats too much damage

so i always lose damage trades

that and her 30% double damage just isnt reliable

T_T

[alpine finch]

wait how do u even get ryuusei

box?

[vague token]

was event

[slow totem]

Zuikaku event

[alpine finch]

oh

F

[vague token]

yeah

[slow totem]

Forgot the name

Visitors something?

[vague token]

dont worry about it too much

dyed in red yeah

[untold folio]

Vdir ye

[slow totem]

Man, that title tho

[alpine finch]

then i guess cuda or tenzan

[vague token]

if i had 2 ryuusei that'd be fun

if sakura pilots would aim smart

[untold folio]

same

[alpine finch]

does having helena make a difference when all planes are +10

should line up at 20s either way right

[vague token]

helena technically always makes a difference 60% of the time

[slow totem]

If you see an enemy Eldridge and have to use Enty

Cuda is the way to go

[alpine finch]

i usually swap enty for something else

usually a bb team since no access to fox

[slow totem]

Sakura Torps are just high risk, high reward

[alpine finch]

yea

[vague token]

well, in eldridge meta

[alpine finch]

i see a lot of full misses lol

[vague token]

they're high risk, 0 reward

[slow totem]

But Enty is already RNG-based, after a while, I got tired and want more consistency

So I switched to Cuda

My Enty Life has gotten so much better.

[alpine finch]

aight

[vague token]

if we werent in eldridge meta id be annihilating vanguards with ark royal double aim torps

[alpine finch]

i guess ill just wait for gold cuda from box

[vague token]

literally cant miss

[slow totem]

Purple Cuda works fine

[vague token]

60% slow

xD

[slow totem]

Works very fine

[alpine finch]

resources pretty low

[slow totem]

I raised Ark Royal recently

[alpine finch]

[slow totem]

My eyes were opened to the Lolicon Lady

[vague token]

it's good to have her for maya

[slow totem]

She makes 9-2 and 9-4 autoable

But haven’t used her in PvP yet

[vague token]

well, i did use her for a bit on 9-4 but the whole aiming at base speed

[alpine finch]

[vague token]

is a problem

[alpine finch]

how many do u run for 9-4

[vague token]

sakura pilots are really dumb

T_T

[alpine finch]

i actually cant do 9-4 without at least 5 total

at least on full auto

[slow totem]

I got everything from W9 except Niizuki

But stopped to focus on NepNep for now

Oh, Ark Royal for Boss Fleet

For Mob Fleet, I used Washy/Rodney - Minny/Phoenix

With an additional Unicorn if my luck is being shit that day

[real notch]

hmm

i think i did W9 3 star with 4-5 ships

[slow totem]

I used... QE - Hood - Ark with Helena and 1 other vanguard

For W9 Bosses

[modern tree]

after more testing it seems that CA guns treat baclkine as viable targets which is why they fire into nothing 70% of the time

this is rather strange

[slow totem]

Do they hit them tho?

[modern tree]

nope

[slow totem]

[modern tree]

actually, it might just be a probelm with 203 mounted? 203 advanced main seems to just fire at the vanguard

but its way less damage

na, nvm, the spread on 203 main makes it seem like she doesnt just fire forward, but thats what shes doing

double gun never hits anything, main gun sometimes angles towards main fleet but even eldridge fleets are fast enough to not get completely smashed by it, 203 advanced should do better because of the spread, but hitting 1/2 bullets instead of 2/4 is just meh damage, not running leander and QE makes the incidental damage negligable, shes slow and fragile, wichita probably has exactly the same issues

I am not sure how 120 level would help with any of those problems, maybe PR gun works better than what we have? or at least hits harder when it does hit

I guess 120 would make running tanky CAs instead of damage CAs useable at least because of their stats being "sufficent", but playing them for damage seems hopeless

[vague token]

portland can gun down destroyers and be tanky with 5k hp and 70 evade

(kai with 120)

with beaver it's more like 100 evade

[modern tree]

yea port post kai with levels and beaver is probably tanky enough to justify

[vague token]

on 5k hp

that is crazy

medium armor too

i dont think any vanguards hit that much durability

while retaining damage output

she also has respectable aa

135 efficiency with 260

not bad for a CA

and she'll hit 170 reload

that's pretty high for a ca

[modern tree]

I just wish the guns hit

[vague token]

true, but at least portland can shoot a lot

5k hp means you get a lot of chances

[modern tree]

at least portland can shoot her 65% efficency DD gun for the true DD gun damage

[vague token]

i mean, mounted + the 150mm is going to hurt

otherwise 127 still hurts

i think the 203 mounted will hit for what

like 200-300

even if you only hit 50%

that's at least half a destroyer

before 20 seconds even hits

err sorry the 138

not 150

xD

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Single_138.6mm_(Mle_1929)#Type 2

big gun

5 shots in sequence

15 base damage

lol

i mean, most dps

35 firepower

it's beautiful

xD

it's just a straight upgrade over the single 127 which gets 3 shots

oh, this wiki chart says it actually takes less time

.2 volley time

vs .3 on the 127

so it shoots 5 shots pretty fast

xD

but no idea when that is showing up

so xD

[untold folio]

@vague token also that hydraulic steering gear on steroids

[vague token]

oh god yeah that free extreme evasion thing

[alpine finch]

did u get a face torp

[untold folio]

Nah

I got a face demon dance

and my opening torp hit all 3 backline

And first recharge hit all 3 again

And then enty finished it off

[elder crane]

Just wait until jintsuu, then you can really start laying down the torp hurt!

[pale flicker]

does anyone doesnt really know the exact calculation of rank score

[wise summit]

what do you mean

[pale flicker]

like the base rank score gain is the only we know when winning a pvp

but there is like 2-3 points off that that’s dependent on rank score difference of yours and the opponent

like base score is 10, and in the end of the fight you got 11

[wise summit]

you get roughly +1 point for every ~35 points your opponent is ahead of you

[pale flicker]

but what is the difference needed, and how much is per the difference

i didnt get additional point for defeating someone 50-100 higher than mine

its still 10

[wise summit]

you get -1 point if your opponent is within -1 to -25 points of you

It's rank points, you can't see their rank points, you can only see their rank

[pale flicker]

ohhhhh

wait

so we wont really know

but isnt someone 100 rank higher than me have more than 35 rank points

[wise summit]

no, you can only guesstimate, unless your target is in the top 100, then you can see their exact score from the leaderboard

[pale flicker]

than mine*

[wise summit]

no, because there's almost always people with the same rank score

occupying a range of ranks

[pale flicker]

i see

thanks

[wise summit]

anytime. log out and back in to update opponent ranks on your 4 target list and pick whoever's on the left, if they're ahead by a much greater margin than the others on the card you'll usually get a +1 modifier (e.g. if the spread looks like 200, 857, 900, 950 after relogging), make sure you never fight someone with a worse rank than you (even if they're literally 1 point below) because that's guaranteed at least -1 modifier

the meta around rank score is just checking in every hour or so and keeping yourself holding 5/10 games so you have the best chance of striking someone in your list that plays their full set (thus getting at least ~50 points ahead of you and worth a bonus point or two), it's mainly luck and is pretty dumb but it's what we got and I still find it fun

[pale flicker]

because people lower rank than us is obviously does have lower rank score than us right

[wise summit]

yep

[pale flicker]

i dont find it fun at all xD but i need to get the highest rank that appear on my profile :v

oh and the bonus merits are like really high too

i hope they change how pvp ranking works tho cuz it looks dumb

but i dont even know myself how to make it better

[wise summit]

me neither, if they removed the thing where you wait for people on your cards to play their games to get the bonus from differential then everyone who never loses would just have the exact same score

[pale flicker]

wait

i think if they dont allow many retries on pvp

it would actually make pvp better

like exiting right before you losing is dumb af

that defeats the purpose :/

[wise summit]

It'd be interesting to see if that would pan out, although I imagine it would make it several times more irritating when you get dumpstered by RNG

[grave gale]

it is dumb but I feel pvp is too rng in general

[wise summit]

or disconnect from wifi or something

[pale flicker]

the RNG is what makes it competitive i think

like no matter how strong u are

[grave gale]

you'd get a lot of bullshit losses mainly thanks to enterprise

[pale flicker]

u still cant expect the outcome

yeah they should nerf enty from pvp imo

i think disconnect from wifi is not a good excuse

u should always do pvp in good connection

[wise summit]

well no the point of all the RNG variance is to make things less competitive and thus more fun for people who didn't have the best equips, otherwise it would just be a competition of who has the bigger stats

[pale flicker]

bigger stats just increase the rng being in their favor

[grave gale]

the attacker bonus is to benefit those that don't have the best fleets

[pale flicker]

idk what im saying but it does make sense somehow

does attacker bonus really exist

[wise summit]

yes

[pale flicker]

how do u know that

[grave gale]

the 20% advantage lets people with crappy teams win and think their team is good

which you see a lot

[pale flicker]

how do people know its 20% advantage owo

i dont see that on wiki

hey @acoustic moon u should put this on wiki

[real notch]

it's datamined information

widely accepted

[acoustic moon]

oh

[grave gale]

I think I remember seeing it on the wiki somewhere

that could be me misremembering

[vague token]

they could normalize rng skills

just boost them to 100 and reduce their power by the relevant amount

eg adjust them to their expected value over time

also, boost hp and reduce healing

xD

[pale flicker]

rng 100% wtf

like ships with low proc chance will be op ._.

[vague token]

i said reduce their power by the relevant amount, to match their expected value

so a 30% chance for 2x damage would just be 30% always on

[pale flicker]

its not just power

how bout the chance to evade all attacks like eldridge

[vague token]

i mean, usually we expect eldridge to consistently trigger at the 20

and then it has a cooldown

so that one is pretty much performing as it should whether a proc or 100%

you'd have to be UNlucky

to not have it trigger on first air strike

[pale flicker]

why does it trigger on 20s tho

i dont understand the math

[vague token]

because it has a built in delay

[pale flicker]

was it stated

[vague token]

in the skill yep

lemme check though

just to be sure

xD

ah, it doesnt say it in the in game description

rip

it has a 20 second cooldown and starts on cooldown

so it's very predictable at the 20

[pale flicker]

its confirmed to start on cooldown?

or need to be really unlucky to not trigger it

[vague token]

ive never seen it occur under 20

it has a 15% chance when hit

that's really high

you'll get hit by guns quite a few times

before 20

[pale flicker]

so the 15% chance hit is delayed till 20s

[vague token]

yeah

[pale flicker]

oh

[vague token]

that's why it's so powerful against the non-akaga carriers

because it's ALMOST guaranteed to trigger

[pale flicker]

akaga can be countered with belfast i think

[vague token]

yeah

[pale flicker]

since it trigger at 10s

[vague token]

yep, belfast's triggers 100% at the 10 too

[pale flicker]

so belfast + eldridge

[vague token]

unlike the rest

[pale flicker]

can basically evade everything lmao

i want to try that xD

[vague token]

well, you do lose a lot of damage since you could be using a sniper like aya/laffey

or a general team boost potential from helena

if you run both

[pale flicker]

i just want my vanguard to hold as long as they can

[vague token]

but it's usually ok

[pale flicker]

so that my main fleet can survive

[vague token]

ive found that if my opponent runs helena against my belfast/eldridge

ill lose mainfleet first

[pale flicker]

uhhh

north carolina?

wait is it against airstrikes or what

[vague token]

only airstrikes

[pale flicker]

if airstrikes i’d use north carolina

[vague token]

if you're against gunner or mix

like wasd/enterprise

your main fleet will bleed

cause an owari da + helena radar is a 2.8x multiplier on your backline

if any barracudas hit the back

they'll be hurting

not counting any wash barrage

or sodak guns

(or focused assault from sodak if you're unlucky)

course, helena defense is super rng

so you dont REALLY have to worry about it

[gilded prairie]

Just

Restart until u win

[vague token]

well yeah

xD

true bravery is defense fleet not running eldridge

xD

or they just dont care

probably that

oops, wasnt paying attention and died

rip

[alpine finch]

is soda worth running without washy?

[vague token]

soda has good bb stats but it's hard to find 2 other ships that really benefit from her

since aegis triggers at the 30

there isnt too much to use her against

like maybe sodak/akaga?

just for handling opposing akaga?

i cant really think of many backlines that really want her solo

[lime rivet]

@alpine finch No.

[grave gale]

There little reason to use South Dakota if you aren't using Washington

[vague token]

before wash was out i was using sodak/e/hood i think

[alpine finch]

aight

[vague token]

but that was a long time ago now

lol

[alpine finch]

f

gonna try some other combos

[vague token]

mostly waiting to try black heart and just attempt to gun down vanguards

it'll go poorly but at least with the gold skc i can do 115% damage to 2 targets xD

[slow totem]

Pew pew pew

Yostar, Y U No Gib NepNeps better stats?

Don’t have to be Portland Kai level

Just make them usable. Pwease

C-grade stats on an SR in unacceptable

[vague token]

i mean, portland kai doesnt even have THAT much firepower

it's like lower than the takao CLASS

she just gets 800 hp

or something

and 20 evade

[slow totem]

The Neps are still worse

Oh, PoKai has 45 Base Evade

[vague token]

well yeah, but i would have been ok with a glass cannon

[slow totem]

Which is amazing for a CA

[vague token]

yeah, portland is a huge durability boost

800 hp, doubles her evade

[slow totem]

And she’s an Elite

[vague token]

yep

[slow totem]

The neps aren’t even glass cannon, just glass

A fact I cry about

[vague token]

xD

i mean honestly portland kai is what id like from a heavy cruiser

durable

but doesnt give up damage

like prinz

just sluggish

[slow totem]

test

[vague token]

sup

[slow totem]

[idle python]

Test is successful

[vague token]

honestly if black heart had aux gun

instead of more torps

she'd be pretty good

oh wait, her skill only says main gun

that's actually lame

i thought it said gun damage

which means actually her barrage is worse than i thought

cause her barrage fires a 50/50 split of HE and AP rounds in a wave/spread

but her skill doesnt apply to it

wow

[slow totem]

[vague token]

MY PLAN RUINED

[slow totem]

Now you understand muh feelin’

[vague token]

oh well, ive already level 10'd tri color order

im all in now

[slow totem]

A real man

Not a metaslave

Free

Playing Meta is fun but to live and die by it is no way to live. There should be room for silly fun and waifu.

that’s what I tell myself to not be so sad about the Neps

[hot creek]

tfw your waifus are the meta

feelsgoodman

[vague token]

i mean there's meta and then there's like

terribad

[slow totem]

It’s okay, I have Retrofit Hammann

I can live with Neps

[sturdy mantle]

I too have the Retrofit Hammann, no regrets here

I mean I Retroed Laffey and Z23 as well, but I needed to make sure the little tsun neko maid was content with her armaments

[vague token]

i have laffey, z23, and aya retro'd

although z23 needs the firepower

still

[latent lodge]

yo

kinda new to pvp grinding

is it fine to start using my exercises without having to wait for an opponent to first

I only seem to be getting 10 points, regardless of opponents rank

[hot creek]

yeah you should be fine. can still easily reach top 10 reward

just don't expect to be at the top at the end of the season

[latent lodge]

aw

[hot creek]

also depends on your server

[latent lodge]

#1is what I’m going for

avrora?

[hot creek]

yeah that server is most tryhard

[vague token]

if you're new it's kinda tough, avrora has the strongest

[latent lodge]

Really?

[vague token]

it's the old server so it has all the things

[latent lodge]

Are the pros just waiting until the very end because

I have a pretty big lead on #1 rn if I use all my exercises

[hot creek]

reaching #1 mid season means nothing

[vague token]

i usually just blow my exercises when they show up

cause i dont care THAT much

[latent lodge]

ah okay

[vague token]

just want my merits now

others wait

[latent lodge]

So best thing would be to get #1 at like last day

[hot creek]

pretty much yeah.

[vague token]

well, but others are doing that

[latent lodge]

aw damn I thought I was special

so can I still get like

11 points for an exercise because I haven’t been lately

Only 10 points

[slow totem]

Don’t worry about the rank up wait

[vague token]

i remember earlier there was a guy with like 1 whole win's worth ahead of the rest

but he's only 3 points ahead now

[slow totem]

I never bothered with it

Always get Gensui

It’s a hassle

[latent lodge]

did you see Dannya at the top by any chance

Ig I should stay safe and see if I can squeeze an extra +11 or two still

[hot creek]

on avrora, if you weren't tryharding from the beginning of the season you're probably at a huge disadvantage already

[vague token]

i think i might have seen dannya at least once

dont remember attacking though

been a while

[latent lodge]

I’ve been tryharding from start

I’m like very certain I’m ahead of everyone rn

[hot creek]

well, keep it up then.

those +1 bonus points will matter

[latent lodge]

mm I see

So when will it always just be +10 no matter what

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CaxuR/f1608e9595.png

at 1050+ points

the base points for each win will be 10

[vague token]

if you're within 25 points you get -1 or something

[slow totem]

If you consistently win and don’t miss any matches

No matter which server

You don’t have to worry about the rank up wait strat

[hot creek]

he wants to be #1 at the end of the season

[slow totem]

Oh lol

Good luck then

[latent lodge]

Okay so I got 1141

Does that mean I can use these exercises

just triple checking sorry

[hot creek]

its based on your opponent

[vague token]

1st place is 1178

so technically as soon as you start gaining more

you'll probably only get 10 or 9

[latent lodge]

oh fuck true

[vague token]

yeah, obviously if you have like 5

you can clean sweep to 1st

[latent lodge]

okay so if I get rank 2 with an exercise left would I only get +1

I mean +9

[vague token]

you only need 37 points

that's approx 4 fights

[hot creek]

always check oppnents rank and score if you can. can only check score if top 100 but yeah

need to be careful when you're around top 20 or so

[latent lodge]

damn that sucks

[hot creek]

cause the game will match you with lower oppnents

and you'll get +9

[vague token]

sometimes the left most wont have more rank points

too

xD

or like not enough

of a difference

[hot creek]

on the last day, this is unavoidable

[vague token]

yeah

[hot creek]

unless you're super lucky with your refresh

[latent lodge]

I see

[hot creek]

but then you will run out eventually

[vague token]

but of course on last day if you hold too long to counter others holding

[hot creek]

and be forced to eat a +9

[vague token]

you might miss

so dont get into a points standoff

xD

/wasnt paying attention and lost a match tonight lol

[latent lodge]

Alright ig I should be patient to get end of season #1

Yikes

[vague token]

it's w/e

[latent lodge]

When you get that enty vs enty 1v1

[vague token]

long as i get under 10 at some point for title reward

[hot creek]

thing is, even if you're patient and all it just depends on luck at the end.

[vague token]

honestly what would shake up pvp would be bonus points for random ships

so like you get 25% more points for using weaker/meme ships

xD

and it goes on rotation

i think fire emblem heroes did that

[latent lodge]

That sounds interesting

[vague token]

so you either adjust to the Point Value ships

[latent lodge]

But isn’t too competitive imo

[vague token]

or you just use the "tried and true"

[hot creek]

I hate that system in FE:H

[vague token]

but get less

[hot creek]

all it does is promote new units you have to roll for

[vague token]

i mean, it could be done better lol

feh is pretty toxic

[hot creek]

and force you to roll for those

[vague token]

xD

[latent lodge]

I think it pvp rn isn’t really that much “pvp”

[vague token]

but AL has plenty of choices that arent limited build

and can be ok

[hot creek]

i mean, FEH's arena is even more of a joke than AL pvp so I don't even tryhard in feh

[vague token]

like a point boost for ark royal wouldnt be bad

she's strong, just not akaga or enty

and she's available to everyone, no limited build

they could just limit the randomizer to Non-Limited

to help out new guys too

/long island point boost

xD

[latent lodge]

I didn’t get the hype about Long Island retrofit until this Neptune event where I saw her full skin

Instead of just face from people’s pfp’s

bro that joint nsfw

[vague token]

[slow totem]

Retrofit skin or NEET skin?

The nsfw one is the latter

[latent lodge]

f o meant neet skin

[slow totem]

No bra and pantsu, just oversized shirt

100% neet

[latent lodge]

ikr lmao

[slow totem]

[latent lodge]

azur lane does not give a FUCK

[slow totem]

Well, look at South Dakota’s default skin

Or this sub here

searchal Surcouf

[hidden wyvern]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&search=Surcouf

[latent lodge]

minne 😩

[vague token]

i wanted to be able to use minn in exercises

cause her gun efficiencies are nice

and portland without kai is worse

[latent lodge]

Holy

[vague token]

but against triple or double CL there's no point

gotta wait for destroyer meta

xD

[slow totem]

Same here

Buff CA when

[latent lodge]

bro cygnet

[slow totem]

Cygnet is a destroyer

A rare thicc one

As far as Destroyer goes

[latent lodge]

I feel like she’s not used as much as she should be for pvp

[vague token]

because she doesnt add anything crucial atm

[slow totem]

Cause belfast exists

Unfortunately

[latent lodge]

HEY DOKT TALK SHIT ABOUT BEST GIRL

😡😡

[slow totem]

Wut?

[latent lodge]

“Unfortunately”

More like she’s a blessing

[slow totem]

I didn’t get the joke

[latent lodge]

You said because Belfast exists unfortunately

[slow totem]

Yea, unfortunate for Cygnet

[latent lodge]

a

[slow totem]

I use Belfast too

Her smokescreen beats everyone else’s

[latent lodge]

She’s best girl after all

[vague token]

belfast, eldridge, and ayanami are my rotation

based on opponent

[slow totem]

Unfortunately for them (Cygnet. Leander, etc)

[vague token]

aya for triple bb

eldridge for E

belfast for akaga

[slow totem]

Put them all in for maximum beeg deec No CV’s allowed

[latent lodge]

I just use helena and enty spam retry until I can get radar scan + lucky e

that shit DELETES the map

[vague token]

i use helena because if the enemy uses her and you dont

[slow totem]

Except Eldridge

[vague token]

you lose

your backline

[slow totem]

The Enterprise Cucker

Nah, not always

[latent lodge]

wait how does eld cuck enty

[vague token]

wut

eld is THE negator

[slow totem]

Operation Rainbow

[vague token]

after 20 seconds

15% chance to evade for up to 10 seconds

for entire vanguard

when shot

[slow totem]

10 seconds of invulnerability for the whole Vanguard

[latent lodge]

wait that shit likes up with entry’s attack

[vague token]

well

enty should run cuda

to nuke the backline

[slow totem]

Yes, all enty’s attacks miss

[vague token]

helena owari da

with cudas

has high chance of torpedoing the backline

[slow totem]

It’s even a meme

Brb

[latent lodge]

that’s insane I didn’t know that

[vague token]

if you're lucky you'll hit washington

[latent lodge]

I’m sad how queen eliz meta died out for Washington sodak

lmao

[vague token]

hms offense is strong

just bad on defense

[slow totem]

I still use QE Meta

[latent lodge]

I’m still using qe

[slow totem]

I delete enty in the first 15 seconds

Brb screenshot upload

[vague token]

yeah, hms is perfectly fine for attack

[slow totem]

No Enty, no problem. Ez Life, Ez Win.

[hot creek]

you could say HMS is even better than wasd on attack

[idle python]

when it comes down to enty vs eldirdge 1v1

[slow totem]

On attack only, yep

[hot creek]

cause all i hear is that wasd vs wasd is annoying enty duels

where as HMS just takes out enty in like 30 seconds

[slow totem]

No more Enty Enty Mexican Standoff

[latent lodge]

Someone needs to make a Wild West duel meme for enty vs enty

[slow totem]

That shit’s stressful

I have that

Brb

[vague token]

i dont understand why people dont just trade their enty for the enemy enty

i just put my wash across from E

by second air strike both of ours are dead

xD

[idle python]

I generally go wasd hood and reposition hood

though sometimes hood doesn't feel like proccing or she gets striked down too much and you have to reset anyway

[vague token]

if you just run your own helena to outrace the damage on sodak/wash

it's usually fine

eldridge/helena/juneau

high odds of more damage

[latent lodge]

Juneau is overrated change my mind

[vague token]

she is overrated, unfortunately she's also godlike

[slow totem]

@latent lodge

[latent lodge]

LMAO

[vague token]

25% hit points on fleet is a big deal

[slow totem]

That shit’s stressful fam

No more

No more Enty duels

[vague token]

xD

[idle python]

at least enty vs enty duels are easy to reset

[vague token]

i usually just insta reset if that happens

[latent lodge]

Kiro with qe fleet a lot of times I can delete Juneau before any of my backline even fires

[idle python]

as in there is no "I couldn't reset fast enough"

[hot creek]

Juneau pretty bad when the meta is Enty + Helena.

just insta dies

[latent lodge]

yuyu last season my crusty iPhone 6 lagged

[hot creek]

and no heal

[latent lodge]

and it fucked me up

[vague token]

oh, if the opponent is strong i just swap juneau to off tank

[slow totem]

No ship is without weakness

[vague token]

and let eldridge eat everything

[slow totem]

No strat without cons

[vague token]

she's only reliable for first enty air strike

[slow totem]

Which is good

[vague token]

xD

[latent lodge]

Is akaga gonna be like full meta after nagato comes out

[slow totem]

Nah

You have Fortune NoCal

[idle python]

it'll be the most common team

[slow totem]

You can handle them

[idle python]

but not exactly most meta

[vague token]

on attack it'll be stronk

[latent lodge]

I see

[vague token]

20% carrier damage boost

good luck defending against that

[latent lodge]

Even with Belfast some akaga fleets can shit on me

[idle python]

for CN/JP HMS wasd and nakaga are all usable

[slow totem]

I wish to see WASDNoCal vs NaKaGa

[vague token]

doesnt wasd have essex?

[idle python]

they do but most of the time it's not needed on offense

[slow totem]

Or WASDEssex vs Nakaga

[latent lodge]

Wait so nocal is a thing?

Fuck

[vague token]

im pretty sure nagato wins the nocal fight

bb vs bb

[latent lodge]

I should level her up

[idle python]

unless you're running wasd on defense so I guess you can

[slow totem]

NoCal is a thing against 2-3 CV Backlines

I use her against Foxes and Foxes-Enty

They do tickle damage

It’s hilarious

[latent lodge]

heck I should have know.

known

What makes her able to be so strong

Againstcv

[slow totem]

Skills.

[latent lodge]

W

[grave gale]

Nagato is a threat too with her Sakura Big 7

[idle python]

nakaga will be the most common on virtue of the fact that it finishes the fight the fastest

[grave gale]

Shutting down the foxes doesn't stop all the damage

[idle python]

though I htink all 3 are pretty equal in terms of performance

[vague token]

i mean, nocal doesnt even shut it down all the way

with the 1.2 multiplier from nagato

you just turn it to 1.02

[slow totem]

Don’t forget Fortune

[vague token]

you're still at a disadvantage after the 15% reduction

[slow totem]

They stack

[idle python]

fortune will get 1 shot

[vague token]

that is risky against sakura 7

[slow totem]

Naaah, we’ll see about that. This is all just theorizing atm.

[vague token]

that one actually hurts

[grave gale]

Fortune doesn't protect herself, yeah

[slow totem]

When the moment comes.

[vague token]

unlike normal big 7

xD

[idle python]

plus the main weakness of wasd

[latent lodge]

fortune Belfast nocal

[grave gale]

and once she's dead, the mitigation from her is gone

[idle python]

is that there isn't a good source of burst damage

[slow totem]

Rubs hands

[latent lodge]

I think will be very strong against nagato

[idle python]

sodak is only 30% washington's barrage can be a bit inaccurate

[latent lodge]

Nakaga

Same thing

[slow totem]

Nakaga isn’t invincible.

[idle python]

nor carolina doesn't solve the issue

of lack of good burst damage

[slow totem]

They are strong, but not without solutions.

[vague token]

i mean, the solutions dont completely handle it

nagato self buffs accuracy

sakura 7 is on gun fire

not on 20 seconds

[slow totem]

Only one way to find out for sure. Test runs.

But we can’t do that right now.

[vague token]

nagato also buffs reload

[slow totem]

So it’s all just talk, for now.

[vague token]

which means the first strike is even faster

the deck is quite stacked

[grave gale]

Yeah. I don't think Fortune will be useful. She'll likely immediately die on the early strike.

[idle python]

I did a reset test vs a fortune wasd hood fleet yesterday and everytime fortune died on opening airstrike

and none of my fleet is married whiles their's were all married

[slow totem]

Your fortune might not be my fortune.

Mine survives 3 Lucky E’s and two Focused Assaults

Double +10 Toolboxes is love.

[vague token]

to be fair, fortune has chance of evasion before lucky e

and double radar is still less

than nagato buff accuracy

[slow totem]

And QE is around to buff her.

So being the underdog is fine

Makes it all the more satisfying if y’all beat Nakaga

[vague token]

20% accuracy for nagato T_T

[slow totem]

With an ‘inferior’ fleet

[idle python]

well hms is pretty solid vs nakaga

with fcr monarch

[slow totem]

Naw, don’t use Pr ships

Beat them using good ol’ HMS

Winning as an underdog is more 👌

[grave gale]

We have no idea who'll be out by the time we get nagato

[idle python]

that too

[slow totem]

We can beat them using the current roster.

Challenging? Yes.

Impossible? Nah

[idle python]

hms requires the most investment, wasd is slow, nakaga is fast so most people will probably end up gravitating to nakaga

[slow totem]

And they’ll be a one-trick pony

Which is good

[grave gale]

but I don't think it'll be much longer before we get her. She's too popular and anticipated for EN to wait too long on her. I'm still thinking Feb of next year.

[slow totem]

That’s still quite long

Enough time to prepare

[grave gale]

Time flies

[slow totem]

If you aren’t prepared yet

“Time is relative”
-Some Super Smart German-Jewish Professor Guy

[grave gale]

I prefer the foxes over wasd honestly for the faster matches but right now foxes can get completely walled by certain compositions

[hot creek]

I doubt she'd be nearly as popular as she is now if she wasn't so disgustingly op.

[slow totem]

I don’t want to be a one-trick pony

[idle python]

though I guess if nagato manages to come out before aurora or sendai you might see a lot less of "the majority of frontline's health being gone by first airstrike"

[slow totem]

A good commander can adapt to the situation at hand.

[grave gale]

Foxes give you those delicious 36 second matches.

[slow totem]

BBs are naturally slower than CVs but ofc

Irl and in-game

It’s just how they work

[vague token]

is sendai the flare one

[idle python]

yeah

[vague token]

i know aurora has the anti evade passive

wait, flares doesnt require any skill book?

reeee

[grave gale]

I don't think we'll have the normal vanguard meta when we get her. Just Jintsuu.

[idle python]

no it's a yellow skill

[vague token]

it has full effect at level 1 lol

the full 25%

full duration

only thing that changes is percent chance after

[idle python]

oh yeah the 25% effect is from lv 1

[vague token]

that's some bogus

belfast has to level hers xD

i guess it isnt that bad

just the principle

xD

[slow totem]

[fallow monolith]

[slow totem]

YES!!

https://youtu.be/P3ALwKeSEYs

[fallow monolith]

[vague token]

oh god i think double barracuda ark royal focused assault just insta killed wash

with radar

lol

xD

[slow totem]

Lolicon Power

[vague token]

if only the skill planes had AA

guns

[real notch]

i wanna die....

[vague token]

uh oh

[real notch]

i've gotten only 1 T4 from the last 3 chest dailies....

why u do dis to me kamisama...

[slow totem]

[real notch]

they were all purples too

[arctic ember]

is defense fleet for pvp is actually usefull or is it just a place to put some memes?

[vague token]

memes mostly

[arctic ember]

so it had no use ?

[vague token]

i mean

if you can force a loss

it's easier to get your position

but most of the time people just reset

or like if you have a lot of points

you can force people to have a tougher time

[arctic ember]

people reseting smh

[vague token]

taking bonus points

from you

[arctic ember]

they should take the L like a man

[vague token]

lol

sorry im here to get my merits

[arctic ember]

[vague token]

xD

[slow totem]

Defense fleet is either to:
-Provide a challenge, no easy win
-Flexing your wehlness, like Full Oaths fleet
-Memes, like Ark Royal + Loli Destroyers

But never to make your opponent lose a match, that’s futile.

[idle python]

you missed giving your opponent free exp

but yeah pvp defense fleets are overall not that meaningful in the grand scheme of things as long as resetting is a thing

[hybrid tendon]

well sometime your opponent did lose

when its a close call

enty vs 3 at 25 % HP?

YES

[slow totem]

That don’t matter to their own points

What Yuyuko said

[lime rivet]

Infinite resets + attacker bonus means defense fleets are just there to either flex, meme, both, or discourage lowbies for whacking you at the start of seasons

[hybrid tendon]

well to ensure a gensui rush is successful

you should definitely use a strong defense fleet

at the end of the season

also limited pvp is better than no pvp at all

🤔

[slow totem]

Fair points.

[zenith tundra]

what torp i should use on akaga? common or sakura?

[glossy jay]

both will miss anyway

[zenith tundra]

i saw some sakura wiping out vanguards but was wondering what i should use

[arctic ember]

whats this attacker bonus thing?

[modern tree]

attacker gets 20% more damage

for akaga, barracudas will always be more consistent but in pvp the fight between the frontline happens close to your bcakline so sakura torps sometimes will magically erase enemy front line or completely fly past it and magically erase the backline, your mileage may vary

(they can also just completely miss despite all)

[arctic ember]

RNJesus

[zenith tundra]

so i should still go for sakura instead of common?

[modern tree]

We should probably make a reference or a pin of lesser known PvP mechanics, so here it goes:

All ships have double the HP
All ships also seem to take half damage. This means ships in PvP have about a 4x effective HP multiplier
You deal 20% more damage to the enemy fleet.
The battle occurs closer to your side on the map.
EXP gained is determined based on the Enemy's total level, not their power rating.
Planes reaching the end of the screen will deal "touchdown" damage based on their remainign health, this is why every PvP guide ever tells you to use Aviation Oil Tanks.

in my case it was trying both and opting for barracudas because in the end barracudas have more health as planes and end up doing more touchdown damage if everything just misses, which I felt was a good place for torpedo bombers to be

which is another mechanic I suppose

[zenith tundra]

i have 0 gold barracudas. is the gold ryusei worse than a purple barra?

[lime rivet]

It's...eh

It kind of depends on the plane targeting in EN

[modern tree]

I do not have the exact numbers and I am hesitant to rely on the wiki, but differences between gold and purple versions of the planes is usually just 20 aviation and and minor base stat improvements like 10 more total damage and slightly faster takeoff. You'd rather use the type you want to use purple than take the torps you dont want to use just for stats

[lime rivet]

Under the right conditions, sakura plane torps can really fuck over enemy ships in pvp

But i don't think EN has the right plane targeting for that

[modern tree]

its kinda like taking Comet over Helldiver for a Dive Bomber just because its shiny, you know?

[zenith tundra]

i still kind of prefer sakura over common or at least use 1 sakura and 1 common

[modern tree]

experiment, pvp has the benefit of being completely free so you can back out and completely change your strategy if you dont like it anymore

[zenith tundra]

i'll try for myself then. my question was mostly if there was a better type by general consent

[modern tree]

general consent will probably be: barracuda has more health so in a world where all of your planes didnt do anything, its more damage in the end

but playing for the worst case scenario when you can reset for free might not be your jam

[zenith tundra]

yeah i feel like i prefer a lucky vanguard wipe over a bit more dmg from touchdown

[abstract cypress]

[grave gale]

After using them for a while: 410mm guns on wasd are so much better. I haven't had a lucky e duel since using them.

They get my seal of approval.

[modern tree]

I am glad our crazy science project has made us all better

[zenith tundra]

i got 4 lucky e in a row from an enemy enty and had to reset because couldn't deal any dmg on her with 406s

also reason why i stopped running wasd lol

[modern tree]

most people here have ragequit wasd enterprise because of the mirror at some point

which is where the 410 idea was born

gun just has a better matchup vs eldridge and enterprise

[zenith tundra]

the only thing i didn't like about 410mm is that it cannot hit dds at all unless very lucky

[modern tree]

now that we have determined that 410s are good, meta on my server started realising that speed is actually a stat in this game

[zenith tundra]

i'm glad we got nep so i could mlb my akaga for pvp

[modern tree]

I met Eldridge fleet that was faster than mine which is funny ecause I have fortune and 2 boilers. This guy must've just had nothing but speed

[zenith tundra]

i like to use brave squad tag on my fortune

[grave gale]

That's a waste of evasion

[zenith tundra]

when everyone else dies she just flies around

[modern tree]

fortune probably doesnt need more evasion between her skill and almost 250 base

[zenith tundra]

but the thing is that she will outlast my eldridge/aya...

[modern tree]

you can put beaver badge on your backline

like a normal person

[zenith tundra]

is that good on hood?

because no way on akaga

[grave gale]

Beaver doesn't give speed to its wearer. The speed boost is given to everybody. It doesn't matter who wears it for the speed. You wear it for the evasion and stacking evasion for DDs is bad because of diminishing returns.

[modern tree]

Hood? Eeh probably nah, her acc is actually meme tier bad, you need 2 acc AUX on her to ever use the gun

I use it for my flagship which is always QE

[zenith tundra]

yes but i really cannot put it on akaga either

too much dps lost

[grave gale]

If you're using belfast, it's good on her

[zenith tundra]

my pvp vanguard is eldridge/aya/fortune so no really good choices

i switch to belfast only for akaga

[hot creek]

man why does it feel like i'm so behind on pvp ranks. did I just get unlucky during season start or maybe i missed some matches and didn't realize....

daxam whats your score right now?

[modern tree]

I slept on 4 games because lmao dayjob, I am at 1154 score with 9/10 attempts left at this moment

[zenith tundra]

wow i'm at 1197 with 0 left...

[grave gale]

I'm at 1214 with 1 attempt remaining. I don't try to maximize points either.

[modern tree]

also, with 3 dds maybe cutting beaver is the play, getting like 600 more health from a lunchbox might help more than 35 evasion slapped on top of 250

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CaE6C/7811d83c66.png here me rn

[modern tree]

its not like you will be struggling for speed with fortune and aya

[zenith tundra]

for ranking i should't use the last 5 attempts of a season so i can start the new one with 10?

[icy wren]

doesnt work that way

[modern tree]

new season starts at 5, no matter how many you had left

[icy wren]

you start with 5 always

[zenith tundra]

ah ok

didn't know that

[hot creek]

so i'd have 1247 minimum with my attempts and, you'd have a minimum of 1284 if you had not missed your runs?

thats werid

[zenith tundra]

so how do u gain the most amount of points?

[modern tree]

you camp

[zenith tundra]

idk how to do that tho

[icy wren]

the waiting game, a slow and boring process

[grave gale]

For the most part I don't think it's worth waiting too long with your match. If you end up losing them because of sandbagging then you've hurt yourself far more than gaining a few extra points.

[modern tree]

you sit on your attempts, resetting your game every half an hour to an hour and hope that people on your list play their attempts

[zenith tundra]

so u want to fight right before u get new attempts?

[modern tree]

then you beat them up for bonus points

and repeat

no, you want to fight when the difference between your points and the points of a guy on the left is over 35 and preferably much more

[hot creek]

oh wait we're about the same right now. If you missed matches, that means I mustve missed some too

[modern tree]

which usually means you wont be playing your games until the last moment because you are just waiting to get lucky

[zenith tundra]

how can i check an opponent points?

[modern tree]

you dont, you guess based on their ranks unless its top 100

[grave gale]

On sandy you don't need to worry about all that. Just always attack the left most person and win and you'll get admiral every season.

[modern tree]

dont worry about it too much unless you have way more time on your hands than you are ought to have

[grave gale]

The only times I almost failed to get it was when I had seasons where I lost too many times.

[modern tree]

I seriously tried to hit nr1 for a season, I did it, I will never fucking again destroy my sleep schedule like this

[zenith tundra]

i guess i wont. i was mostly curious about how it works

[hot creek]

dammit. it must have been in the noon. I've been waking up late the past days and set an alarm for pvp and usually do them while feeling half asleep so that must have been it...dammit.

[modern tree]

to be completely fair

I autopilot to work because I wake up extremly early

so I MIGHT HAVE played my attempts

I just dont remember

[zenith tundra]

lol

[hot creek]

yeah last season I was always super ahead by like 30 points above rank 1 if I blew my attemps

now im only 10 ahead

so either sandy server is blowing all their attempts

[modern tree]

I assumed I lost them because when I got to my phone on a break I was down in like 4ks and it was not early in the season anymore

[hot creek]

or i missed some

[modern tree]

but it might just be my paranoia

I chose to care about very weird things sometimes

[zenith tundra]

so outside of guessing i should try and space out my attempts?

[hot creek]

well what you do is you check every hour or so to see if somone in your lobby moved up. you have to relog to do that btw

[modern tree]

if you want to maximise your points, you should never just play out all of them at once as soon as you get them. If you wait until the reset sitting on all of them, in the end you'd still have net positive of 2-3 points probably

[grave gale]

The relog thing is what I hate

[hot creek]

well, i mean its just a couple buttons lol. i already have that in my muscle memory now

[grave gale]

I personally just refresh whenever my left most opponent has a worse rank than me and sometimes I gamble with it to try and get a much lower rank. I only sit on my points when I'm in the top 25 and I'm not rushing for admiral yet.

[modern tree]

when I have time to play I usually reset between my pve maps just because why not, but it gets rather tedious

[zenith tundra]

does it change opponent rank or opponents every time u refresh?

[modern tree]

nah, it just updates the data

[grave gale]

refresh changes the opponents

the refresh button that is

[modern tree]

unless you meant the button

[grave gale]

relogging updates the information

[modern tree]

[zenith tundra]

i meant actually relogin

[modern tree]

relogging just updates the leaderboard data, so if someone on your list played their games, you will see them move up in ranks

it doesnt do that automatically

[zenith tundra]

refresh is "new opponent" in game?

[grave gale]

most people are potatoes and don't play their games.

[zenith tundra]

the one daxam mentioned

[modern tree]

the get new opponents button just gives you new people, the leftmost guy is usually 15-20 points above you unless you are super high n leaderboard

others seem random

[empty sinew]

is ayaya viable rn in pvp?

[zenith tundra]

so what was the button u mentioned?

[grave gale]

she's viable but not really good

she doesn't do amazing damage unless you get lucky

[zenith tundra]

my aya usually keeps up with main fleet at all times

[empty sinew]

guess imma hold her till the homing torps come out

[zenith tundra]

but she's maxed out with 200 affinity

[modern tree]

I meant this, sorry for confusion

[zenith tundra]

ok

[empty sinew]

i get the feeling that our side's vanguards always fight closer to our main fleet and the torps never reach the opponents' main fleet

[grave gale]

My main fleet does like 20-30k damage on average and Aya does maybe 8k. Laffey gets more consistent results around 15k. My Aya is also max 200 affinity with +10 gold quad and rainbow dildo

[hot creek]

you should basically never use that button unless your leftmost oppnent is lower ranked than you and reset is coming soon

[grave gale]

tried quint too. results didn't really change

[zenith tundra]

maybe i'm just lucky but usually i get at least 13k from aya

[modern tree]

Lesser known PvP mechanics:

All ships have double the HP
All ships also seem to take half damage. This means ships in PvP have about a 4x effective HP multiplier
You deal 20% more damage to the enemy fleet.
The battle occurs closer to your side on the map.
EXP gained is determined based on the Enemy's total level, not their power rating.
Planes reaching the end of the screen will deal "touchdown" damage based on their remainign health, this is why every pvp guide ever tells you to use Aviation Oil Tanks.

[zenith tundra]

and quite a few times way over 20k and mvp

[hot creek]

btw does anyone know the mechanics behind the button?

like how many do you get

and when does it refresh

the amount you get?

[empty sinew]

never seen em facts before, ty

[grave gale]

It also depends whether you get matched up with people using torp bulges

[modern tree]

you get 5 presses and they refresh on "new day"

[grave gale]

Juneaus that don't use a torp bulge have a high chance of eating torps at the start and almost immediately dying

[hot creek]

I see.

felt like some days when i spammed it to get someone higher rank it would give me anymore back

[zenith tundra]

if u spam it u run out of em

[grave gale]

The biggest waste is using pearl + toolkit on Juneau. Overhealing that goes to waste when she dies 5 seconds into the match.

[modern tree]

if you start getting people with lower ranks than you natuareally then using the button, in my experience, makes it worse

[zenith tundra]

should juneau use pearl or not?

[hot creek]

well yeah, i meant like it felt like an eternity for me to get more oppnent refreshes.

but apparently its every 24 hours during reset

[grave gale]

it's best not to. You're more likely to overheal than not using it on her

better to spread out the heals and give it to off tank

[zenith tundra]

i still don't have tear... started leveling up commons only recently

[empty sinew]

If I put Juneau at the back, then theoretically she'll rip then heal around mid-fight yeah?

[hot creek]

yeah honestly the button never really helped. A couple times I was lucky though and got someone higher than me while I was like rank 12 or something

[empty sinew]

cuz Juneau dying too early on seems like a waste but I see everyone doing it

[grave gale]

weird. The refresh button usually gives me better ranked opponents almost always

usually someone 100 ranks ahead

[hot creek]

its only a problem once you are around rank 20 or so

[grave gale]

well yeah. That's why I sit on my points then

no point rushing to top 10 if we don't have 2200 yet

[hot creek]

well, this only happens on like the last day when you do have to use the rest of your matches

[zenith tundra]

but if juneau dies after other ships you miss a potential heal

[hot creek]

other than that, its no concern

[grave gale]

@zenith tundra that's why she's bad with eldridge