Eld does not want the twin 127. Her barrage does more damage than her normal shots
#pvp
grave gale
bleak osprey
@lament canopy what rank did u end last season with?
real notch
hmm
vague token
the twin 100m by base stats
lament canopy
around 450
delicate shore
mad deepz
lament canopy
lost 9 battles cos I forgot to exit
real notch
and you don't have the chance to set a ship on fire
vague token
doesnt matter, the 100mm has good base stats
grave gale
but you can't set something on fire if it already is
and your other ships are doing that
lament canopy
I made it to Vice Admiral
real notch
hmm
real notch
higher chance to set on fire?
grave gale
foxes are too fragile for defense
real notch
and it resets the fire timer?
bleak osprey
^
real notch
i think
vague token
lower tier guns reset only once
edgy kiln
i wonder why are foxes still a thing
real notch
hmm
bleak osprey
@edgy kiln cuz atk is a thing
grave gale
Because people rely on Enterprise and Eldridge
edgy kiln
haven't had much trouble dealing with them since FW
bleak osprey
foxes literally counter eld
vague token
but the chance of fire is 1% for DD guns
grave gale
Foxes are only bad for defense.
bleak osprey
@edgy kiln foxes are bad on defence
grave gale
They're still amazing for attack
edgy kiln
oh, okay
vague token
The duration can be refreshed by another ignition caused by an equal or lower level gun, but lower level guns can only refresh the duration once.
real notch
hmmmm
vague token
from combat page
lament canopy
@bleak osprey I'm 86 in the rank right now
real notch
do u have any PVP runs
grave gale
nope
vague token
xD
real notch
how annoying
odd schooner
bleak osprey
@lament canopy most peeps in top 100 now wont be at the end. early season ranking means nth
grave gale
Even aripanda's guide that love so much doesn't recommend the twin 127 on Eldridge.
grave gale
around 8k
lament canopy
@bleak osprey I know, once you lose 1, you drop really bad
odd schooner
Don't ever lose to an early match
mental sierra
well it's not just that. Most of us in here are stocking matches
bleak osprey
plus people wait for other people to climb so they they can get more rank score per match
odd schooner
The idea is to let the left side push further. Try to estimate if he or she is +35 points or more away from you
real notch
i'll start filling u in on my eldridge dmg
mental sierra
speaking of, time to see if anyone moved
odd schooner
Since +35 points is equivalent to +1 rank point added to base
idle python
well it's only +35=+1 when you get into the higher ranks, early on it's much less
idle python
since I've gotten +40 once on day 1 followed by a +38 before
mental sierra
yeah, not 35. My friend posted +38 and I 🔫 'd him
lament canopy
where fo you get that info @odd schooner ?
idle python
(keep in mind the +40/+38 happened when people reached 10/10 strikes obv)
real notch
@odd schooner nope
odd schooner
We've been doing it
real notch
it's like 39 or 40
odd schooner
lament canopy
I always fight vs the first on the left
real notch
@lament canopy ye that's the right choice
odd schooner
But it's only accurate when you hit +10 base
lament canopy
does it count If I restart the battle?
real notch
nope
odd schooner
Dunno how to calculate from +25 base
mental sierra
you can restart as much as you like
real notch
u can reset and not lose ur attack
odd schooner
Gensui day is gold mine. Left is always +70
Stalking top 100 and check what time they atk
lament canopy
ok, so if i defeat that no.2, and I'm 87, I'll get +3?
mental sierra
check that person's rank score @lament canopy
odd schooner
Check rankings see how much he has
mental sierra
Since they're rank 2 you can go check
hot creek
just take the difference between your score and his and divide by 35. For each 35 point difference you get an extra bonus point
real notch
@lament canopy if the difference between you and him is above 35 rank point
you will get boosted score
lament canopy
well, he's 12 pint ahead of me
hot creek
of course, you can only view someone's score if they're in top 100. If they're not you can only estimate with ranks
lament canopy
he's 5 now
hot creek
yeah you won't be getting any bonus if you attack him now
lament canopy
ho ho ho
it's better not to rush and wait when I have 10 rounds then
didn't know this, thx
mental sierra
Just be careful not to overflow. Always make sure you're down to 5/10 before reset
real notch
strange shuttle
does maint start same time as pvp reset?
strange shuttle
eh? i thought the maint was for switching the odds second floor etc?
strange shuttle
ah
hybrid tendon
gonna spend 100 cubes today
then daily until the end
getting everything is what i love about AL
if this was some other game with 1/10 of the rate?
real notch
@grave gale i found a bunch of other information
but nobody really knows whether twin 100mm or 127mm is better
as in it isn't proven by math
but, it seems like the better gun is leaning to twin 100mm
the actual fire proc rate for DD guns is 1%
grave gale
That's a lot of rings
and a lot of gems
I'm too indecisive with my vanguard to marry any of them
grave gale
Looking at what's coming for the future. The vanguard is going to go through a lot of changes. If you intend to marry every ship you use, there's gonna a bunch more coming.
delicate shore
well im marrying the important ones
nagato, dork, sendai, jintsuu
and whatever
else there is
grave gale
aurora
wise summit
when are we getting aurora
grave gale
aurora is about lowering the evasion of DDs so that nakaga does maximum damage and nobody evades hits.
real notch
that value is lost
grave gale
but yeah, I've learned not to trust a lot of what CN/JP players say about PVP
EN tends to give a different experience
mental sierra
You can run both Sendai and Aurora though
delicate shore
well we dont even have aurora yet tho
mental sierra
those stack
delicate shore
so we can only go off of what they say
mental sierra
Yeah I'm for sure running Aurora+Sendai Kai when Nagato comes out
delicate shore
aurora, sendai, yuki?
idle python
yeah I'm using aurora sendai ykkz
idle python
though there's a person on jp general who cares a lot about pvp that thinks juneau is better for third
mental sierra
I'm so happy Sendai only takes 1 gold blueprint
idle python
but to me that sounds a bit squishy vs nakaga mirror
delicate shore
i think i would use yuki over juneau
mental sierra
well, I mean, it's not a big deal to me to swap one girl every once in awhile based on match up
I do it right now
I don't run Juneau if the opponent doesn't have Juneau
delicate shore
im talking bout defense
grave gale
how to judge a good defense when you can't see how it performs
mental sierra
Like this
idle python
though pvp is actually a bit varied rn for cn (and I'm assuming jp)
mental sierra
idle python
even if nakaga/wasd are still most common
mental sierra
idle python
essexE and HMS can still compete very nicely
mental sierra
But I assume Nakaga has zero problems ever winning on offense
I don't care at all about defense so it doesn't matter to me if they get rocked on defense
idle python
my (unmarried) nakaga has had to reset quite a few times depending on if they're running good comps
like wasd with bad frontline is an easy win for nakaga
but I've had times where I had to reset a couple times vs good frontline
hms is pretty fixed in comps but monarch with FCR can kill a fox before 2nd airstrike if it doesn't get unlucky
delicate shore
is monarch or dork better for hms?
idle python
I don't have enough experience fighting essexE to determine how I feel about nakaga vs essexE
hms is usually monarch+hood on flanks
delicate shore
oo
idle python
as a way to try and snipe the foxes
idle python
and also qe in flag means that she baits ryuusei and big 7
to keep damage off monarch/hood
idle python
no
delicate shore
o
idle python
i.e. the jp player that I mentioned thinks that jintsuu should never be on nakaga offense
mental sierra
2 in 2.5 hours ain't bad
idle python
anyway here is a guy doing a bunch of reset testing of hms vs nakaga https://www.bilibili.com/video/av27743778
jintsuu is DD and CL
real notch
then meta will once again be different from CN/JP
mental sierra
oh lul
I don't care either way
though if it is dork, I'd have a maxed HMS fleet as well. The only thing I was missing was warspite, who I refuse to waste resources on
grave gale
I feel like EN will always use Enty more than the other servers which will change EN's meta.
real notch
JP servers use enterprise
because her planes are still bugged
i believe CN patched theirs tho
mental sierra
I want to know if Belfast's smokescreen bug is fixed for EN but noone seems to know
I feel like it has to be fixed because Belfast's smoke is already reducing fox damage by a lot
if this is really only 15% and it still goes up to 35%
that's fucking insane
delicate shore
judging from that video
HMS seems liek they have a tough time against nakaga
lol
grave gale
I notice a huge difference with foxes when the opponent has Belfast or not
mental sierra
Yeah
without belfast my akaga usually deletes the entire vanguard on the first strike. or gets close
real notch
some changes get hotfixed without there being patchnotes about it
idle python
random essexE comp (frontline is pretty much similar to wasd) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/506567870277222451/unknown.png
mental sierra
real notch
isn't roon the strange addition
idle python
normally yeah
real notch
i thought neptune was used
idle python
the person using this said he only used roon
because saint louis and portkai were already 120
grave gale
I'm gonna raise my warspite and try out HMS for the hell of it since I've ran the other comps.
real notch
yea or saint louis
idle python
though imo neptune should not be used for that frontline since you're too vulnerable to aurora then even if neptune can survive
and her guns aren't as powerful (and also forced into AP)
mental sierra
I like when we get to the point of the season where I start recognizing names I can count on to move
odd schooner
@delicate shore kinda hard to preach ppl abt 410 when facing wasd E feels like they rarely fight big walls in pvp and runs away with the 20% atk pvp excuse
mental sierra
although, in my very first set this season I did have KurisuOkabe
odd schooner
Even kanna is using 410
delicate shore
yeah hes super OG
apparently he had a fully maxed HMS by the 2nd week
or something
lol
odd schooner
We migrating to fox soon
real notch
cough cough i suggested 410
real notch
WTF
delicate shore
and u were skeptical
real notch
it was the opposite
delicate shore
nah
odd schooner
mental sierra
okay guys
delicate shore
someone go back to #help
mental sierra
we can settle this objectively
real notch
omg
delicate shore
exactly
real notch
that's gonna take forever
odd schooner
Haha
delicate shore
im 100% certain
odd schooner
Start digging
mental sierra
well, go big or go home, yo
delicate shore
that i was the first one to suggst it
grave gale
discord sucks at logging
delicate shore
on #help
real notch
i definitely remember coming to the conclusion
real notch
thinking hey, 406 keeps missing let's try 410
real notch
LFMAO
delicate shore
pretty sure the search will still pick i tup
ive been using 410 ever since that day
i told u about it
havent switched back once
mental sierra
I've gotten as far back as october 30th
and recluse has been saying 410 since then
I'm tired of looking
Oh wait yeah here we go
october 30th
is the first day Recluse said
"I'll try out the 410 actually"
real notch
LMFAO NOO
mental sierra
real notch
was i there
mental sierra
I'll go check
delicate shore
idr
abstract cypress
delicate shore
@mental sierra report your findings sir
mental sierra
I did
real notch
ok this is ridiculous
delicate shore
who was the first to suggest 410 tho
mental sierra
Recluse has it so far at Oct 30th
delicate shore
real notch
there are no mentions of me saying use 410 until today
real notch
I WAS THINKING IT IN MY HEAD
delicate shore
real notch
OK
mental sierra
HAHAHAHA
idle python
speaking of 410, this guy is using ap 410 on all his bbs 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPVK6iZZHEM
mild spruce
410>406?
mental sierra
to counter Ent's E invincibility
delicate shore
i prefer it
mental sierra
since 410 will fire at like 15-ish seconds or less
delicate shore
also since kanna is using it
its prob best
since he's been a hardcore player since day 1
mild spruce
On all BBs?
delicate shore
not sure if he plays jp or cn tho
odd schooner
I only saw requiem discussing it with jay
real notch
sry washington
grave gale
that would've been a loss for him if it wasn't for the attacker bonus
idle python
though I'm not really convined with running AP on BBs in PVP
odd schooner
Kanna only plays EN
real notch
wait i discussed it with jay>
delicate shore
o
real notch
when was that
odd schooner
Nov 20
real notch
ok u win this time recluse
odd schooner
Time to find recluse chat
delicate shore
delicate shore
when im certain of something
im prob right
lol
since i usually admit to to being wrong
odd schooner
Because past nov 20 you were doubting 410, req
odd schooner
You did
real notch
oh
well
i mean i still doubt it
that's why i only run 1x twin 410mm
i think the loss in damage is pretty big for ships that don't even aim at ent
odd schooner
delicate shore
the dmg loss isnt even that big
i had to rest against wasd ent a lot before
while using wasd hood
odd schooner
You have burn dmg too
mild spruce
Are you guys talking about EN or JP?
real notch
EN
odd schooner
EN
real notch
well
just assuming by numbers
i did calculate that 410mm does 34.18% dmg less or something
real notch
but yea ^ based on that logic i slapped 410mm on wash
delicate shore
evasion is a thing too
mental sierra
Hmm, it's starting to get late in EN. Wonder if anyone else will move before reset in 3 hours. Well, I guess I could be matched with a bunch of people on the other side of the world
odd schooner
3rd shot misses a lot, only time it hits something is the far right of the vanguard
real notch
yea
real notch
but twin 410mm misses too 
idle python
well there's usually very little movement after like the first hour and a half until the last hour
(and by last hour I mean more like last 15 minutes sometimes)
odd schooner
Usually ppl move 30 minutes before
Reset
More like. Osht i forgot to do my pvp sort or thing
mental sierra
yeah I personally always wait until the last 15 minutes
though I've fucked myself over doing it before
odd schooner
Last day crunching is hard. Had 7 points gap between KurisuOkabe
I was stalking the wrong person 
odd schooner
abstract cypress
this 10 tries cap kills me
already missin 15 tries 
abstract cypress
y
abstract cypress
lime rivet
slow totem
Get me more WASDEnty backline, cause they are free merits to my HMS squad.
Let them stay pinned please.
This is good.
abstract cypress
use gold guns and reach 14k
odd schooner
Someone reached 14?
odd schooner
Enty wasd only reaches 13.5
slow totem
Need dem rainbow equips
odd schooner
+320 if both main guns are gold
slow totem
Shitty gold. 
odd schooner
Hood wasd only reaches 13.67
I think it's 13.9 with gold
I ain't wasting plates on gold so idk
slow totem
Put the Gold Twin 410mm on Hood
abstract cypress
+oath
slow totem
Beyond Meta
odd schooner
No ty
slow totem
It can theoretically do more damage than the purple 410 mm y’know
if the shrapnels all hit the same target
vague token
they just need to make it so that you can hit with the primary shell
then it explodes
xD
or has like a primary shell component
mental sierra
They should make it so that all the shrapnel also uses the skin you put on your bb shell
so certain bb shells crash the opponent's phone
instant win
mental sierra
suddenly a million rainbows on your screen and the app shuts down
pale flicker
so do u guys use juneau
vague token
yes
slow totem
On attack, yes
pale flicker
why not on defense
vague token
she can die early in defense
slow totem
Cause I realize how cancer she is.
delicate shore
what are u using
pale flicker
why is sodak on middle tho
odd schooner
Double sg
Sg beaver
Sg fcr
slow totem
Noble Ladies - Royal Maids. I like themed defense fleet.
vague token
sodak middle is to force her to trigger wash's skill
odd schooner
I would like to have another sg tbh
odd schooner
But my luck sucks
delicate shore
im using 5 SGs
odd schooner
odd schooner
Yea
pale flicker
how u got so many sg
odd schooner
That's the plan
delicate shore
i have 7 sgs
slow totem
That’s defense fleet. Put whatever.
slow totem
A good opponent + attacker boost will be to overcome any defense fleet anyway. Personal experience.
pale flicker
its royal navy box?
delicate shore
eagle
vague token
helena defense can turn it using rng power
delicate shore
i farmed 3 and got 4 from boxes
pale flicker
for what purposes do backline need evasion
vague token
if you have 2 radars
odd schooner
So you won't get hit by shells
slow totem
Facing that WASDHood, I usually delete Washington first.
odd schooner
Also double sg accuracy is big
vague token
that lets you destroy destroyers
if you're lucky with aiming
otherwise you can get trolled
when your focused assault sodak whiffs eldridge
or whoever
slow totem
slow totem
Defense fleet is pointless to tryhard anyway.
odd schooner
That's the point of 410
odd schooner
It hits before rainbows
vague token
if you dont use double radar
odd schooner
Oh i see
vague token
you can get destroyer dodged
odd schooner
Ye
pale flicker
whats fortune for in pvp
vague token
xD
odd schooner
Cause DD
slow totem
Makes the backline tankier
vague token
15% damage reduction
slow totem
And being a little cockroach
pale flicker
oh
vague token
unfortunately, 2 battleships usually murders her
slow totem
Put her and NoCal together
vague token
(sodak/wash)
pale flicker
wait
delicate shore
damn
slow totem
Watch Foxes/Lucky E doing tickle damage
slow totem
pale flicker
nocal and fortune skills stack?
slow totem
Yes
vague token
yes
slow totem
Absolutely
slow totem
Mmmm... yes
pale flicker
owo
odd schooner
Imagine it's 1v1 Vanguard fight and your enemy fleet is triple BB and you got fortune
slow totem
Well, close to that
vague token
yeah
slow totem
But close enough
pale flicker
how do i know if the skills stack or not
vague token
different name
the ones that dont stack are usually orders/commands of the same kind and target
or smoke
which says it doesnt
in the description
slow totem
vague token
i think the game mentions it
pale flicker
cuz some skills that have diff name dont stack too
slow totem
QE is mentioned there. 👌
vague token
yep xD
slow totem
OP Buff 
odd schooner
real notch
oh god
i just noticed something
the wiki entries for twin 100mm and twin 127mm are wr ong
FeelsEngWikiMan
slow totem
strange shuttle
How you all doin atm?
livid fractal
hot creek
wtf how so many points? must've got insanely lucky with opponents blowing their matches
knotty river
cleve vs warspite who will win
glossy jay
america numba wan
i removed my cv and that ends up happening
except for when my stupid bbs shoot frontline and just end up dying like idiots
knotty river
Interesting
spare hedge
Or just blow up Juneau before any backline is damaged. That works as well
abstract cypress
blow everything
slow totem
Blow everything works very well
fossil yarrow
vernal path
jolly sandal
delicate shore
so
theres someone saying saying that vf17 bombs
are stronger than reppu
can anyone confirm this?
i mean
vf17 bombs are stronger that other fighter bombs
is what theyre saying
hybrid tendon
well
its the truth
I have read that somewhere in here
oh wait, not here
on a guide
about equipments
vf17 is tier 0 heroic equipment and its stronger than normal gold in every way
you can check for the tier selecting that item
delicate shore
i see
wise summit
thought vf17 had different values on the bomb
odd schooner
vf17 had a good hp too iirc
polar grail
Yeah it does
Also over in CN, it’s been confirmed that the VF-17’s bombs deal 380 damage as opposed to the normal 360.
Whether this is true for EN, I’m uncertain about that.
tough vapor
Prince of wales + WASD or North carolina + WASD
odd schooner
That's a rare set of backline 
slow totem
WASD is hardly rare
Against 2/3 CV Backlines: NoCal
Against BBs/General Use: Enterprise or Hood or PoW
Mostly same as PvE
Except that if your Vanguard dies, your backlines make their own AA circles.
modern tree
It doesn't really work, planes are faster so you usually have only one shot at tagging as many as it is possible, which is probably why most people recommend to only run ufos in pvp, high burst, biggest range
Have not tested it excessively due to my chronic lack of aa options
slow totem
I put UFO on Frontline, Bofors on Backlines
Works fine to me, NoCal + Fortune Retro shreds Akaga/Enty planes and make them do tickle damage.
Hell, if it’s just Enty (along with 2 BBs, usually WASD), I delete her before she can even do anything.
No AA needed, for this particular lineup.
sturdy mantle
Have you faced a Enty that runs max drop tanks? She may still be able to get through, I ran Hood + Enty + NC and was able to get some planes through a similar setup due to the maxed tanks.
zenith tundra
need some pvp advice. i'm using hood akaga and dunno what i should run for vanguard. i'v been using eldidge or belfast (against akaga), ayanami and fortune. what should i change/use?
grave gale
There is no gold oil tank
sturdy mantle
Meant max , writing on my phone sorry
grave gale
It's nearly impossible to shoot down a lucky e proc planes. I've seen them take damage but they seem to have way more HP than usual. I've heard only Sandy's retrofit can shoot those down
slow totem
@sturdy mantle I have, but even if they get through, the stacking damage reduction from NoCal + Fortune Retro make them do tickle damage.
Eldridge gets my frontline covered. So it’s all good.
Go ahead and try it, it’s beautiful.
icy wren
dont think it matters if the droptank is max since the hp gain just remains the same
slow totem
And what Sjay said
You don’t need to shoot them down, just shred them to half HP
And let the damage reduction do the rest
Ez peezy, hell, that’s assuming Enty can even fire a shot before getting deleted.
sturdy mantle
makes sense, I don't think Lucky E does change hp, they just seem tanky to begin with
grave gale
Lucky e definitely buffs them
slow totem
PvP planes are tanky and hella fast.
grave gale
Shooting them down without that proc is easy
slow totem
If Enty doesn’t proc Lucky E, wven better, almost 0 damage lol
Oh yeah, zack asked a question
Brb
sturdy mantle
thats why I keep Hood since RN's glory can make up for lost dmg
slow totem
@zenith tundra Try out my build, QE, Hood, and Warspite. This build can delete a single enemy backline in the first 15 seconds.
sturdy mantle
I see a lot of people stull using wash though
slow totem
For vanguard, I alternate depending on the opponent
Akaga? Belfast. Enty/Lusty? Eldridge.
zenith tundra
@slow totem i have wasd and almost all u said but warspite but i really want to use akaga
slow totem
Well, go ahead, you have attacker boost anyway
sturdy mantle
I dunno why but I've recently run into two people running Leader retro + Belfast as well
slow totem
But if the enemy have Belfast + Fortune Retro + Nocal
zenith tundra
i was asking for vanguard mainly
slow totem
You gonna have a bad time
sturdy mantle
I dont think the smoke stacks either
slow totem
Yes and No
The evasion doesn’t stack
But the air damage reduction from Belfast stacks
It’s weird.
sturdy mantle
huh seems like people must hate carriers recently then
grave gale
Leander doesn't have air reduction only Belfast
slow totem
Yes, and it remains active when the two smokescreens proc together
The air reduction part
grave gale
Yeah
slow totem
Not really, Queen’s Command and Nagato’s Yellow Skill (forget name) stack with everything.
grave gale
Because Belfast provides two buffs and Leander only provides one. Leander can only override one of those buffs
slow totem
The permanent Firepower/Reload aura stacks with the proccing one (like Cleveland’s)
sturdy mantle
Nagato's is the carrier buff right?
sturdy mantle
and I guess you are talking about the artillery command right?
slow totem
I guess, take example London and Cleveland’s skills, they stack
Cause Cleveland’s a triggered buff, while London’s permanent
sturdy mantle
so the same would happen with Brooklyn as well I guess
slow totem
quick maffs
sturdy mantle
since she shares the skill
I really wonder what metas would spring up if we could indeed stack certain buffs
slow totem
@zenith tundra Have you considered Jesus Juneau?
sturdy mantle
like turbo artillery command vanguard
zenith tundra
i have like 0 interest in juneau tbh. she does nothing
slow totem
O really? :3
slow totem
She heals your whole fleet for 25 (35 if you add pearl’s tears) of their max hp when she dies.
zenith tundra
i mean as damage
slow totem
She is the only relevant healer in pvp
The vanguard job in PvP is not to damage, but survive.
You’ll see once you get to top 100.
slow totem
Not yet. Fortunately
zenith tundra
with resets every time u want i don't care about ranks
sturdy mantle
^
slow totem
And the resulting merits for free purins.
zenith tundra
was just asking what would be good for akaga to run as vanguard because i have no clue
slow totem
Use whatever. :O
sturdy mantle
I usually try to run themed or fun / meme fleets and see how much BS I can get away with against meta fleets usually
slow totem
Really, if you don’t care about ranks.
There’s no point. Just use whatever
Free XP and some merits, I guess
zenith tundra
i don't use defense just want to get it done fast
sturdy mantle
In most cases just run something other than a CA and it should be fine
slow totem
Defense fleet is pointless. I put themed meme fleets for defense.
sturdy mantle
unless its a decked out mini
slow totem
Yea, what LoLman said
But really, if Zack doesn’t care about ranks, or win or lose
They can use Takao and it’ll be fine
No oil cost.
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I mean maybe prinz / atago too, prinz can become super tanky, but I have yet to use atago though
slow totem
Won’t get you consistent wins, but they don’t care about that so...
There’s nothing left to say
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But for all CAs they just get hit with tons of damage unless they are maxed due to carriers loving low evasion ships
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cries in light armor CAs
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stoic vector
how do i leave this chat
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@stoic vector bot spam and /leave
stoic vector
it doesn't work
stoic vector
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^
slow totem
Why would you want to “leave” anyway?
It’s just a channel
And not NSFW or anything (not that we have that, AL EN does have it tho)
stoic vector
eh idk
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whats the best fun style fleet you guys have run, I've ran into a few Ark Royal "destroyer" fleets
and I like building a fleet around the ranger retro for the chance for some RNG
modern tree
I used to run Indy/Port/Leander frontline and I thought it was really good but then everyone had akaga while I was still like month and a half before getting both foxes
I maxed hms before leaving foxmines...
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I've just taken a brake from the mines as of late since 4 Akagis and no kaga is enough for now, I need to actually make progress foreword
modern tree
I know it was a reasonable thing to do at the time but I am very stubborn
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its always interesting that everyone seems to get lots of one of the foxes, never both in a timely fashion
modern tree
or the ones that get dupes complain louder, I am not upset with getting mlb akagi before my kaga, I am upset it took months
real notch
yep the complainers are just louder
but i personally got 3 kagas before akagi
foxes are so worth it tho
the best investment in game
along with laffey kai
i'm actually saving up sandy dupes
modern tree
I am not sure if it's worth just ignoring the game for foxes, I traded leveled equipment for many, many leveled ships I suppose, but options do not seem to be woth it in hindsight
jav is pretty offensive with 2 barrages and hefty torp boost
I am not sure if its worth rising for my hms
real notch
hmm
in PVP probably not
there are better HMS options with even better HMS options coming out
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I mean retroing all the starter DDs and ayanami seem like a overall better investment than maxing the fox girls, but that is more of a long term goal
modern tree
you could probably figure out a timing for torps with her barrage
but might not be worth it before magtorps so you can actually get some mileage from it
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i've retroed laffey and ayanami
i'd say between the two laffey is by far the best PVE option
and also the best PVP option atm
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I really have not leveled my foxes for cranes yet since for PVP Enty + heavy barrage BBs just works
at least for me on avora
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laffey is like a jacked up wichita with more dps, more EVA, more speed, cheaper
she'll shred through any world atm
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she is a GAU-8 when she procs her second skill
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also she regularly out DPSs my maxed enterprise
even with shit non-maxed gear
yea i change my mind maybe laffey is better investment than foxes
foxes just saves u time not oil
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^
same idea with maxing out a fletcher fleet for PVE
not the most efficient time wise, but its ultra oil efficient
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ayanami on the other hand is like
modern tree
I would say whynothboth, but I imagine I am in a miniority of the players that spend way too much fucking time on this game
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fukin good in manual but
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Not to mention the Foxes and Cranes just do not have the ability to punch through a NC + laffey / eldridge
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inconsistent 
oh
i should have recorded a reset test yesterday
where i lost 5 times in a row against a wasd hood fleet
with my maxed 12.9k foxes
real notch
i think the lineup was like this:
enemy (hood, south dakota, washington | juneau, fortune, belfast) 13.2/12.3
current fleet (hood, akagi, kaga | juneau, belfast, eldridge) 12.9/12.5
game 1 - loss
game 2 - loss
game 3 - loss
game 4 - loss
game 5 - loss
Fortune probs damaged your aircraft enough that you dealt minimal damage
delicate shore
fortune doesnt have AA mode
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not fortune
delicate shore
it was juneau
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i mean
modern tree
yeah, june/belfast kinda slays foxes because you cant output the damage fast enough after belfast just eats your first strike
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it wasn't fortune that damaged my planes
it was fortune that mitigated the dmg
his fleet was pretty much 100% anti fox though
entire vanguard is anti fox
modern tree
that is correct
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entire backline is antifox
delicate shore
bro
after switching to 3 UFOs
airstrikes do so little dmg
lol
im about to farm 3 more
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yea he prolly had a solid AA mix too
modern tree
june with aa mode proc is fucking ridiculous
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there is the belfast smoke reduction as well I think
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but yea
my foxes have never lost so hard in a reset test
i just gave up after the 5th because it was pointless to try squeezing a victory
delicate shore
find me
real notch
it wouldn't have proven anything
delicate shore
i wanna test my AA setup