pvp

[slow totem]

Doesn’t matter

Attacker Boost

[hybrid tendon]

i run akaga with x2 ryuusei

homing torps

[grave gale]

Irrelevant because there is no 100% win. Even with that attacker boost, you can run into defensive fleets that make you reset to win when you encounter fully maxed ones

[hybrid tendon]

if they are unlucky and get hit by both torp waves

[bitter escarp]

Yeah attacker boost makes meaningful decisions an after thought, it’s that strong

[hybrid tendon]

[slow totem]

I tend to disagree because I never fail the gensui rush.

[hybrid tendon]

same

[slow totem]

Even during that pvp abuse dst moment

Fully Oathed WASDEnty? Doesn’t matter. Enty’s gone.

[grave gale]

Attacker boost gives you a huge advantage but it doesn't guarantee a win. As I said if rng isn't on your side, that can be the deciding factor for defense to win.

[slow totem]

Then the WASD pair become sitting ducks

[bitter escarp]

Tfw I got top 10 for the first time during that pvp abuse season and I was asleep when it happened

Not to mention that was the season I was using Enty Cranes only

[slow totem]

Same, I was zzz too so I missed the abuse moment

[hybrid tendon]

wasd pair never troubled me before tho

dont know why but

[slow totem]

Me neither, cause attacker boost really.

[hybrid tendon]

I found hood's barrage

much more deadly

[dull elm]

That abuse season still gives me salt

[slow totem]

Cause we are on attack

[grave gale]

Most fleets aren't geared well. If they're not at 13k or very close it then they aren't that geared

[hybrid tendon]

wash's barrage is just... in accurate

[grave gale]

The majority of wasd fleets I see are barely above 12k

they're push overs

[slow totem]

That screenshot I posted

[hybrid tendon]

most wasd lineup is over 13k

[slow totem]

Fully Oathed

13k

[hybrid tendon]

but they are weak

[slow totem]

Attacker Boost makes that don’t matter

[bitter escarp]

but if you see Enty cranes at 13k you know they got suboptimal shit on

or Enty foxes

[slow totem]

Defense fleets don’t matter.

[hybrid tendon]

eh

[bitter escarp]

Any full CV backline

[grave gale]

Yeah. Foxes can't go above 12.8k with Hood unless they're wearing non BiS stuff

[hybrid tendon]

enty foxes sub optimal is 12.8 k

[bitter escarp]

It means they running double catapults or god forbid gold btds

[hybrid tendon]

even with 200 affection

I run 6 catapults

[slow totem]

I love Enty Foxes, I just stick NoCal + Fortune Retro.

And their airstrikes don’t matter.

[hybrid tendon]

but then you have no cal in pvp

🤔

[slow totem]

WASD Hood, now that gives quite a challenge, I love a challenge too

NoCal is good against 3 CV backlines

[hybrid tendon]

wasd hood is strong tho

[slow totem]

It’s fun to see Lucky E doing jack shit

[hybrid tendon]

ye but you gotta swap nocal out

[bitter escarp]

NoCal I think is better for defense fleet than attack

[hybrid tendon]

now and then

[slow totem]

Of course, who only has 1 fleet composition?

[bitter escarp]

cause a lot of people using foxes as their attack fleet

[slow totem]

Don’t be a one trick pony. :P

[hybrid tendon]

having multiple composition help the rush

but sometime I just reset

[grave gale]

Nobody uses NC in their defensive fleets here. I can count on one hand how many I've come across

[hybrid tendon]

also havent seen anyone put nocal in defense fleets

my nocal is maxed as well

probably would put her up

[bitter escarp]

the only thing I can change on a whim is my backline comp, I don’t have enough resources to change around vanguards all that much though

[slow totem]

NoCal is very specific, I only use her against 3 CV Backlines.

Why? Like I said, looking at Preemptive Strikes + Lucky E doing jackshit is satisfying

[hybrid tendon]

ye

akaga is like the prime example of a great unit

both in pvp and pve

[bitter escarp]

tbh I use NoCal in pvp mainly cause I love seeing her derpy constablushing chibi doin work

[hybrid tendon]

but shes backline

[bitter escarp]

the air strike cucking is just an added bonus

[hybrid tendon]

you cant see her

[slow totem]

You can shift cameras in pvp

[bitter escarp]

You can see your backline in pvp

[hybrid tendon]

NANI

[slow totem]

The only place you can do that.

[bitter escarp]

[slow totem]

[bitter escarp]

You didn’t know?

Wtf

[slow totem]

[dull elm]

[hybrid tendon]

I played since day 1

and this is new

[bitter escarp]

Lmao

It’s the only place I can see derpy NoCal chibi in action

Also it’s how people know that PoW swimsuit skin puts on shades at the end of battle

Can’t see that otherwise

[hybrid tendon]

hmm

was kinda expecting the cranes to be good

when they came out

turned out they are like... pve only

[bitter escarp]

Cranes are more fun than good

And mine have 100% no reset winrate against this one 13.1k WASD Enty Fleet I found and tested against

so I think they are ok

[hybrid tendon]

I have my double ryuusei akaga

so I can beat anything

if the torps align

[bitter escarp]

If the enemy enterprise runs gold corsair, my Zuikaku’s 2nd strike times perfectly to hit her right when lucky E ends and usually just one shots her off the bat

[hybrid tendon]

what if she owarida-ed

[bitter escarp]

reread pls

[hybrid tendon]

sounds fun

nagato when

so I can kick enty out

[bitter escarp]

I’ll be runnin Nagato Cranes instead

[dull elm]

PvP pleb team when when i dint have any HMS/Akaga comps

[grave gale]

Reading the previous discussion. Laffey Kai is fine in PVP. I tried her out for a while and she almost always the last vanguard standing in the off tank position. The problem is, she doesn't do as much damage as you think she would given her PVE performance. I never really noticed her doing more damage then Belfast. Around 15k and she offers no synergy to the rest of the fleet.

She works and she's not a hindrance. She'll do good damage and stay alive for probably longer than anybody else on the vanguard but she doesn't offer the fleet a whole lot.

Using the starter retrofits is mainly an easy way to boost your vanguard power epeen.

Since they hit 4.5k power easily.

Other vanguards struggle to break 4k

Ayanami Kai on the other hand is not that great. Even with a +10 rainbow dildo and +10 gold quad torp, she does maybe 1k to the vanguard and 2k to the backline when her torps hit. Unless you're very lucky and she shoots point blank which rarely happens.

You absolutely want torp bulge on Juneau or you risk her dying right at the start.

Juneau is worthless if she dies too early and overheals when everybody is sitting at full HP. A completely wasted vanguard slot.

Eliminating the vanguard asap is mainly to take out the opponent's juneau and pearl holder so they're wasted

It's why Enterprise works better with wasd than Hood. Enty is a lot better at wiping out vanguards.

BB shells are very rng whether they do anything.

WASD is the most rng reliant comp of the three. You can't control where they fire their salvos and sometimes the vanguard will outright evade them.

WASD is potentially the strongest but potentially the weakest as well since it's more prone to bad rng

Foxes are still very good because the meta has shifted to using Enterprise and Eldridge and the foxes counter both of them.

Foxes struggle more against wasd + hood far more than wasd + enty but enty is the set up most people use because it's better against most groups

HMS is very much a threat, especially to foxes. Because Hood + Warspite ensures one fox gets put down immediately.

I don't believe WASD is the overall"best" comp. It has its fair share of problems. All three comps. HMS, Akaga and WASD are strong and do well. I would say WASD is the best defensive team though. There's no debating that they're tankier than the other ones.

[hybrid tendon]

[coral wren]

any examples of a royal vanguard?

the backline's pretty easy to build, but the vanguard's a little harder imo

can see belfast, but which others?

[grave gale]

Fortune, Belfast and Juneau. You always use Juneau

She's not HMS but that doesn't matter. Her not being buffed is a good thing. You don't want her living for too long.

[coral wren]

for the heal?

[grave gale]

Yes.

25% heal to everyone when she dies

and in PVP everybody has double the HP

So that's a 3000 HP heal to your entire backline

[coral wren]

another stupid question, which are the differences between ayanami and laffey both kai?

or rather, in their roles

[grave gale]

Laffey is a jack of trades. She does good damage all around

Aya is all about face torping

and she isn't that great on auto without magnetic homing torps

[coral wren]

then, how about z23 kai?

[grave gale]

I don't use z23 so I can't comment on her

but she's all about guns

[coral wren]

well, i've got 2 more questions: 1. would enterprise/washington/akagi be a decent backline? since i can't use sodak yet, only lv70 and no bulins; 2. any examples of a decent frontline for high dps? atm i use belfast/helena/laffey kai

[grave gale]

Don't use the foxes separately

If you lack south dakota then use Hood

[coral wren]

hood's only lv78, the problem's akagi is lv98 x-x

it's just that, is it even alright to use sodak at lv70 only, in pvp against lv90+ teams?

[grave gale]

No..

[coral wren]

well, atm i can to at least 80, only 1 gold purin

either that or limit break hood to 90

[real notch]

watashi ga kita

[modern tree]

using Juneau in HMS right now is not recommended actually

[real notch]

i'm so happy this channel was created

[modern tree]

at least on Sandy server, the trend is to abuse the shit out of Enterprise/Helena and Juneau doesnt do well against that at all, you tend to get memed a lot. Eldridge does a lot more for HMS than Juneau. You still migrate a lot of damage done to backline with Fortune and have a layer of protection against Akaga in Belfast, Eldridge proccing at 20ish absolutely invalidates any damage Enterprise or 406 BB guns would do so your HMS backline has another volley on their main fleet for free

last season I have reset only one game due to RNG when running Eldridge, ended 4th

[grave gale]

You may have a point. HMS is one comp I haven't used myself since I don't want to use bulins on warspite

Does make sense since HMS wouldn't be using eldridge and that does make Enty into a threat again

[modern tree]

Warspite is sort of the carry for HMS yea

[grave gale]

Who would you suggest in Juneau's place then?

[modern tree]

You run Eldridge Fortune Belfast,

[real notch]

fortune belfast eldridge

probably

yea

[modern tree]

I ran Juneau for a bit but she just doesnt die because of the op rainbow and your backline gets wiped

[coral wren]

what would a typical wasd frontline look like?

[modern tree]

Fortune is fast and makes Eldridge speed less of a hindrance

also makes wash barrage and plane suicide wear you down less

[real notch]

@coral wren any combination of eldridge, juneau, belfast, fortune, helena

[coral wren]

basically to buy time for the backline to proc?

[real notch]

additional (lesser) options are leander, starter kai, cleveland

the general role of all vanguards are to buy time yeah

damage-oriented vanguards don't perform well

[coral wren]

what aux go well with sodak?

i guess the repair tools?

[real notch]

the best USS BB auxiliaries are SG radar, HFCR and beaver's badge

[modern tree]

when I ran sodak I used gold FCR and gold SG radar

[real notch]

normal FCR follows the principle but i would not recommend it

[coral wren]

god, i just can't justify leveling those commons for the beaver badge x-x

[modern tree]

I used Beaver on Wash cuz she doesnt become immortal and using 30% more fp is easier this way

[grave gale]

Stick them in the dorm

[real notch]

you should do it archios, it's super worth it

[coral wren]

that way i'd lose some time gaining exp for the fleet

[grave gale]

I can level a ship to 30 in a day with my dorm exp

[coral wren]

i only have one lv100 boat

[modern tree]

all the ships I dont use are over 40, which is enough, just spam auto commisions and you will get there

[real notch]

beaver's badge and pearl's tears are instant-inclusions

they're just too good

[pastel forge]

I'm liking arc royal with WaSodak lately, the slow really helps making bb shells hit escort. and ofc I still dont have enty almost 3 months playing

[coral wren]

the pearl, i can try to get that, but for the badge, i'd really have to try hard for it

[modern tree]

I like Ark and I am soon going to experiment with her in HMS or USS, just gotta level the skills

since I have all the meta pvp ships maxed might as well do some clowny shit

[fathom helm]

[real notch]

the badge is really fucking good

[modern tree]

just hope people will stop using Eldridge by the time I am done preparing Ark

[coral wren]

tbh, past lv60 it's a struggle for me

[modern tree]

fat chance

[fathom helm]

But u dont need lvl 70

[real notch]

with badge + SG, you can bring a USS BB's EVA from 18 to 69

[fathom helm]

Only 30

[real notch]

that's CL level evasion

[coral wren]

no no, i mean, for the other boats

like the second fleet

[real notch]

any BB with 69 EVA and 7k HP is like impossible to kill almost lol

[fathom helm]

Oh

Ye beaver gives tons of eva

Really good

Especially on low eva ships

[pastel forge]

I'm still mildly surprised how many eldridge running around

[fathom helm]

Op skill is op

[modern tree]

hey Erebus, I kno its not your name anymore but you never changed in my heart, what do you think about using 410s on USS just to lessen the impact eldridge has on the composition. Obviously you'd cut Helena cuz she probably is not needed then

[grave gale]

I'm not sure about using beaver on Hood when you run Akaga. I think Hood's awful luck really hurts her accuracy.

[modern tree]

Hood cant hit Poi boss on 6-4 with gold sg and FCR so she really needs multiple acc items

I am serious

[real notch]

@modern tree or u can just call me sirre xd but ok
i use twin 410mm on my washington to hit cloaked enterprises

1st BB proc with twin 410mm is 21-22sec

1st enterprise cloak is 23-24sec

generally you can expect to land 1 salvo before she cloaks

[fathom helm]

Hmm

[real notch]

the real value happens on 2nd BB proc which is like 42sec
2nd enterprise cloak is 48sec
at this point you'll likely land all 3 salvos

i don't really run twin 410mm to avoid eldridge timing (although i guess that helps) but the bigger issue stems with mirror wasd matchups ending up as an RNG fest ent duel

which is annoying as hell (and why i switched off wasd comps)

[modern tree]

heh, I stopped using wasd enty just because it was enty mirror all the time in the end

but using hood is worse

so I went back to HMS

[fathom helm]

Is NC better with wasd or enty ?

[modern tree]

NC feels redundant atm

[real notch]

@balmy torrent twin 410mm sodak works too, it's just there's an algorithm (i believe) that prioritizes the 1st BB salvo to the ship adjacent - and i run sodak mid and there is almost never an enemy mid ent, the damage is wasted a bit

recluse runs 2x twin 410mm

i run just one

but ideally you want to run the twin 410mm on the ship with the HFCR

just keep that in mind

that's why i'm using foxes now

35sec long games... no RNG losses... feelsgoodman

[modern tree]

HMS with Eldridge up front is legit meta crusher

I will preech it until I see it in my pvp games and then get sad because I made all Eugen meme users go away

I genuinely dont get the enterprise hood illustrious, eugen eldridge (starter) comps

where did this shit come from

[fathom helm]

Me neither

Lol

[idle python]

all ssr so must be good

[modern tree]

who tricked all those people

[idle python]

[modern tree]

I see it so often

[fathom helm]

Me too lol

Always smash that comp

[real notch]

waifu comps

[modern tree]

I just want to understand the idea behind it so I can maybe apply deeply hidden wisdom within it to my thought process

[fathom helm]

Generic waifu comp Keepo

[modern tree]

but it just seems so random

also bless every Eugen user for giving my eldridge free procs with her 0 fp AP guns

[fathom helm]

Eugen dmg Omegalul

[grave gale]

I honestly have no idea why so many people are convinced that prinz and lusty are good in pvp

I see lots of people on reddit and twitch streams recommend them

if you try to argue with them, they're like "but I win all my matches"

[coral wren]

why is illustrious considered t0 in chinese tiers?

[grave gale]

World 12

[fathom helm]

T0 pve

I think

[coral wren]

oh, that's why

[grave gale]

World 12 has crazy plane spam

[modern tree]

I too, win all my maches, I also won them when I was using Indy/Portland when I started out

[coral wren]

same for nocal then?

[grave gale]

Even in Sandy's top 100, I see lusty and prinz everywhere.

[fathom helm]

Hmmm

[modern tree]

Sandy is sort of a meme server, surprising I know. Makes me feel rather silly for putting so much thought into pvp

but hey, at least I can convince people to use their bulins on Warspite, maybe

I can try

[grave gale]

Holding my bulins in case we get Dork soon.

[coral wren]

maybe new year's?

just maybe?

[real notch]

norcal is good too i suppose in plane-heavy PVE content

[modern tree]

I expect we will get opposites first, dork event despite being winter themed was launched in spring

[real notch]

but in PVP, illustrious is actually semi-legit if paired with eldridge

[modern tree]

and opposites means magtorps so most our pvp ideas will get trashed

cuz rng will rule

[real notch]

i feel like

yeah

that's an indirect heavy armor nerf and DD nerf

and indirect CL buff

because CLs can't torp other CLs to death

[grave gale]

576 torp plates needed to max the rainbow magnetic and the two golds that OC gives.

[real notch]

oh lmao

[modern tree]

who doesnt have 500 torp plates lying around

[real notch]

when i did math i just assumed 3x rainbow magtorps

which doesn't exist but wateva

[grave gale]

I have around 400 because I've been maxing every quint I get

[modern tree]

I have 3 maxed quints and one maxed 610

[grave gale]

I have 2 maxed quads and like 5 maxed quints

[modern tree]

thats a lot of torps

[real notch]

oh

[grave gale]

the funny thing is the quints won't be useful with magnetic around.

[real notch]

i have 1 maxed quad and 5 quints

[grave gale]

except as pass me downs to lesser ships

[modern tree]

I am still salty at all the time I had to put in to get Akaga, all those purple plates I could have had

[real notch]

866 torp plates tho

[grave gale]

Cassin and Downes you get a +10 quint. Congrats.

[real notch]

[modern tree]

that would be a level up from purple quads they are currently holding for me

[real notch]

that's how i feel

when i give gold gear to a low level ship

you have been born into royalty

[grave gale]

I misremembered

7 +10 quints

[real notch]

avrora this season is like

noooooooooobody is spamming matches anymore

it seems like everyone got the memo about how to properly rank in pvp

[fathom helm]

Ye rip

[modern tree]

doing that is so hard in eu timezone

did it once for real, never again

[fathom helm]

I keep trying to save turn till last minutes and ended up sleeping or forgot about it lol

[real notch]

yea i forgot about 2 yesterday

me big baka

[fathom helm]

Missed 5 already

Feelsbad

[coral wren]

is any of the neps at least mediocre or decent?

i've read in plenty of places that black heart and noire are good enough to be like tier 2

[modern tree]

maybe in pve, but pvp is very strict

I dont want to say anything before I try the ships

[coral wren]

it's a shame they'd be that bad because the artwork/VA is so good

[modern tree]

but there is a chance I wont even get them so I am waiting for your report on that

[fathom helm]

I heard only black heart is decent

But dont know cause dont have her

Oof

[coral wren]

kurisu's power transferred to this game

me neither, missing black/green heart

[real notch]

same archios

i got all the lolis for some reason

[fathom helm]

Got 3 white heart

[coral wren]

if i don't get black heart by the end of the event, i might kill someone

[fathom helm]

And i gave up and save cubes for next event

[coral wren]

i've got 3 noires, 4 blancs, 2 whites, 2 purps

[fathom helm]

White and purp is norm tho

[modern tree]

got blanc, gh and wh and I am sort of done with those shitty rates

[fathom helm]

Cause their rate up

[coral wren]

yup, for now

[fathom helm]

Tmr is green black i think

[coral wren]

tomorrow's the rotation, right?

[fathom helm]

Ye

[modern tree]

yeah, today is last day to grab ph wh and blanc at increased rate

[real notch]

i got blanc too

damn lolis

btw i just read black heart's skill

[fathom helm]

[real notch]

?weaponsandarmor

[hidden wyvern]

Different weapons and shell types do different damage based on the armor of the target, as shown in the picture.

Also remember the following

• 航空 (aviation) enemies are weak to airstikes
• 主砲 (maingun) enemies are weak to main gun (CA gun, BB gun, DD gun, CL gun)
• 雷擊 (torpedo) enemies are weak to torpedo

anything that the enemies are not weak against are resisted heavily by them

[real notch]

since black heart's skill ignores weapon efficiencies, this chart is pretty important

[grave gale]

Black Heart is 115% to everything at max level

[real notch]

currently the bulk of PVP sits at light armor

backline is either medium or heavy, but vanguards hover at light

[grave gale]

Makes her worse against light but a lot better against heavy and medium

[real notch]

yep, that would be the first conclusion

the only other conclusion i can think of is that her barrage is procrate at 40%

which is pretty... unreliable

[modern tree]

most frontline is light and getting 15% bonus against everything instead of 40% against light for using HE must feel bad

[grave gale]

But it also means she doesn't have to use HE guns. She can use AP and do 115% plus get the pierce bonus with no penalty

[real notch]

hopefully if CAs get more EVA later

i can see the dps potential tho from maingun fire

biggest issues are that she's a CA with 33 EVA and her skills don't provide any team synergy

[grave gale]

The big issue is she's not a gun boat. She has crappy torps

[real notch]

she won't be replacing any top tier (T0, T1) ships soon

i think

[grave gale]

no mgm+1

[real notch]

does anyone have a clip of what her barrage looks like

LOL

just curious

[mental sierra]

Fuckin' hidden channels and shit

[real notch]

it's ok

[fathom helm]

Lol

[real notch]

this was secretly staged to circumvent the recluse ban

[grave gale]

He was posting in here earlier this morning

[real notch]

orly

LOL

[mental sierra]

OH SHIT 6 MINUTES TO RESET

ALMOST FORGOT MY MATCHES

I made it

[charred sable]

Resettttt

Go go use your attacks everyone, especially if you are any of those 4 players on my list

[real notch]

LMAOOOOO

[hybrid obsidian]

o/

im not on ur list

[real notch]

i am not on your list

[hybrid obsidian]

and im always potato unfortunately

[real notch]

[hybrid obsidian]

ytd i overslept

[real notch]

nice amethyst

[hybrid obsidian]

no, not overslept but forced shutdown

[real notch]

you made the deadline

[hybrid obsidian]

so i missed my tix

[real notch]

rip

[mental sierra]

⚰

[real notch]

i missed 2 fights too

[mental sierra]

How many did you overflow? @hybrid obsidian

[hybrid obsidian]

3

[mental sierra]

Ah, well, you can still get admiral of the navy

[real notch]

rip

[hybrid obsidian]

i was like, there r 3 hrs left, i got this

and then somehow i slept

and i didnt know

[real notch]

@hybrid obsidian YOOO i always think like that

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

LOL

[hybrid obsidian]

i lie on my bed while farming

maybe thats bad

lul

[mental sierra]

Yeah I can't play mobile games in bed

[real notch]

i was like "oh there's still 40 mins no big deal i can wait for someone to ran up"

[mental sierra]

I get put to sleep instantly

[real notch]

then i forget

[hybrid obsidian]

my wife already sleep by then, so the whole room quiet

not a good atmosphere

[real notch]

wait u have a wife? tatsuya

[hybrid obsidian]

20yrs

[mental sierra]

Tatsuya's failing at AL pvp ranking but winning at life

[hybrid obsidian]

i sacrificed my childhood to get it later

[real notch]

LOL

[hybrid obsidian]

anyhow, we suppose to talk pvp, no life here

[real notch]

wait i'm so confused

ok

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

all i know is

tatsuya can buy me gems

now

[hybrid obsidian]

sooo, my opponents potato again

[real notch]

gem daddy

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

LOLLL

what is this delete-messaging conversation

it's the pvp channel now we do not judge

[hybrid obsidian]

so we dont get nuke by our off topic

hm, so whats this

[mental sierra]

I assume the same rules as help apply

[hybrid obsidian]

sometimes imma be invincible

sometimes im not going to

of sodak

[mental sierra]

we can talk about stuff as long as no one is trying to talk pvp and getting flooded

[hybrid obsidian]

after wa dir

die

[mental sierra]

If Washington dies before SoDak goes below 30%

then Washington's skill never triggered

to protect her

[real notch]

ye

that's why sodak should be mid

[mental sierra]

^

[real notch]

if sodak is mid that problem should never happen

[charred sable]

Missing even 3 attacks will more or less guarantee you no chance at Fleet Admiral unless you are super lucky consistently later on

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

amethyst apparently missed like 6 before

[mental sierra]

@charred sable I've missed 6 and gotten Fleet Admiral

[hybrid obsidian]

sirre and me both got our admirals

lel

when that dst thing come around

[real notch]

i'd say the maximum u can miss is like

probably... 5

idk

[hybrid obsidian]

ye

[slow totem]

Add me too for missing that dst thing

[real notch]

i feel amethyst was lucky af

[slow totem]

I missed the abuse period and still got gensui

[hybrid obsidian]

he always is

[mental sierra]

I did work my ass off for bonus points after missing 6

so I wouldn't doubt it

[slow totem]

So it’s possible, with effort

[hybrid obsidian]

i feel like

[real notch]

[hybrid obsidian]

i shouldnt try for bonus pt

[charred sable]

Too much effort

[real notch]

i was sleeping during the abuse period

[hybrid obsidian]

cuz in the end i will somehow always miss a tix

[real notch]

missed the abuse

[hybrid obsidian]

and it balance out

[mental sierra]

@hybrid obsidian I missed 2 last season and I hit admiral of the navy without trying still. I finished like rank 24 for the season too

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

ye tatsuya lmao

i think once my points are like +12

i'll just start spamming them all

cus i always forget

like yesterday

[hybrid obsidian]

so stupid ,,,

[mental sierra]

my friend got 38 points on his first match of this season

[real notch]

38

[hybrid obsidian]

i was leveling niizuki peacefully while grinding nepgear skin

then there go my 3 tix

[slow totem]

[real notch]

i want niizuki

[hybrid obsidian]

at least

[real notch]

WTF

LOL

[hybrid obsidian]

im 10 away for my lusty

[real notch]

i can't believe u married niizuki...

[hybrid obsidian]

[mental sierra]

I still haven't gotten any of the chapter 9 exclusive girls

I'm going for Nicholas first though because we'll get Yoizuki and Haruzuki for free and they're Niizuki but better

I think they also have the reload glitch that Niizuki has that makes her godlike

[hybrid obsidian]

well, if you look at my mission statement

[real notch]

oh yea

[hybrid obsidian]

gotta start

[real notch]

i forgot about that

greetings

"greetings"

yea i might go for nicholas

i like sleepy lolis

[hybrid obsidian]

greetijgs to all IJN ships out there

[mental sierra]

Oh yeah, I mean I'm gonna get Niizuki eventually for sure. I need her for collection

[real notch]

also nicholas seems to be pretty good

[hybrid obsidian]

im at like 83% and dont even care

hue

[real notch]

i'm at 80

[hybrid obsidian]

weird

im not specifically grind for anything unless if its equipment

so while ppl going out there grinding gals, im still here grinding sg radars or 113

[mental sierra]

Uhhh lemme check

[hybrid obsidian]

the dude in first got like 99 something, so hard working, lel

[mental sierra]

one of the mods of this discord has 96.7

crazy

[real notch]

yea navi

i just noticed yesterday too

pretty impressive

i haven't gotten a 113 blueprint for like 1 week

[mental sierra]

Not counting retrofits, I'm only missing 5 ships

[hybrid obsidian]

im missing maya

[real notch]

wha are the 5 ships

i haven't even tried going for collection

[mental sierra]

Isuzu, Radford, Jenkins, Niizuki, Nicholas

[real notch]

but i might after i get like 8 113s

[mental sierra]

3 blues 2 purples

[grave gale]

The top person on sandy has 97.8%

[hybrid obsidian]

oh, i rmb that i did try hard for isuzu

[real notch]

oh

hmm

i guess i was lucky with isuzu then

i might go farm for ram AKA ikazuchi tho

[mental sierra]

I haven't farmed for her yet. I totally forgot she existed when 7 came out

so I went ahead to 8

and got Ikazuchi and Inazuma

[hybrid obsidian]

i ram isuzu map 5 days 4 nights

[mental sierra]

"ram" Isuzu

[hybrid obsidian]

shes at 99 aff now, but somehow i ve been delaying that last 1

[mental sierra]

@grave gale Is it possible to get 100% on Sandy? I don't remember when the Sandy server went up, so mainly I'm curious about the monthly ships

I know Washington is screwed out of at least 1

[grave gale]

Sandy has been up for all the events. Only avrora would be impossible if someone didn't wait to claim theirs

[mental sierra]

Ah

[slow totem]

Avrora will be available in the 1st anniversary event

[real notch]

what's the ship that everyone's missing

avrora?

[slow totem]

So just be patient

Avrora ofc

[hybrid obsidian]

hmm, whos here missing her?

[grave gale]

I don't have her. I didn't start till mid september

[real notch]

me

[slow totem]

Who’s not missing her would be easier to answer.

[real notch]

i started on aug 27

[slow totem]

Only a handful of players have her

[mental sierra]

Oh yeah, I guess I forgot to count Avrora, for the girls I'm missing not counting retrofits

so 6 total

⚰

[hybrid obsidian]

my whole group kinda has it i think

it was fun doing z23 quiz

[grave gale]

It's impossible for anybody on washington to have the ships from Dyed till its rerun or they get put into the permanenet pool.

Also means nobody on washy has the rainbow dildo

or reppu

or ryusei

[hybrid obsidian]

rippu

kinda regret not grinding reppu after ppl praising it

[real notch]

that's interesting

u almost have different PVP environments for washington then

yea reppuu is so good

there's no way i woulda known tho, back then i was so noob

i just thought it was a slightly improved seafang but

that's just what PVE players say

"slightly improved seafang"

because they don't care about takeoff, planespeed, touchdown

[hybrid obsidian]

i just looked for sky protectors cuz i didnt have any gold fighters besides 0s

and farmed 2 hellcats

so i wasnt to thrill getting a reppu

cuz i hellcat seem sturdier in the end

[real notch]

yae

hellcat is still highest AA in the game

so really relevant fighter

it's just slightly slower

and less touchdown than the reppuu

[hybrid obsidian]

ye, so i already got 3 fighters back then for cranes n E

didnt need anymore

not to mention right after farming 2 hellcats, 3 dropped from box

[real notch]

LOOL

i spent like 1 week farming 8/15 of a hellcat

and now i have 3 from chests

SeemsLegit

[hybrid obsidian]

box

welp, only thing i didnt have to grind for tks to box is 155mm and skc 203

[grave gale]

There's a lot of pvp nuisancesyou come across that you never see gurus or pvp guides mentioning. Pre FW everybody was circlejerking all over WASD. About how great it was and how WASD + NC would be the new meta.

[real notch]

ya

[grave gale]

When it turned out nobody wanted to use NC and instead used Enty and using WASD + Enty made fights drawn out because WASD sucks dick at killing Enterprise

[mental sierra]

No one's fuckin' moving

[hybrid obsidian]

lel

[mental sierra]

if you guys know any of these people, smack 'em for me

[real notch]

it really shows either 1. whoever was talking didn't know what they were talking about or 2. whoever was talking depended too much on CN/JP metas to decide what would be EN meta

[hybrid obsidian]

i only know esteh and slime

[real notch]

now look at EN meta

[hybrid obsidian]

they r in my group

[real notch]

it's back to foxes

[hybrid obsidian]

along w lastea, all are turtles

[real notch]

err, foxes are coming back

[grave gale]

I don't think anybody who plays on the CN or JP servers take PVP as seriously as we do here. So their actual knowledge is very limited.

So you take what they say with a grain of salt

[sturdy mantle]

I'm still surprised that so few people run Hood as a main fleet on EN

[real notch]

i run hood

[hybrid obsidian]

i run hood and nc

i change for fun cuz nothing going on atm

[real notch]

there are some people on CN/JP who take it seriously

[grave gale]

I would not be surprsied if Nakaga isn't as dominating as everybody keeps saying it will be.

[real notch]

but they just aren't in this server

for some reason all of the gurus that were decided

are all PVE focused

[grave gale]

I'm sure Nagaka has its own fair share of problems just like WASD

[sturdy mantle]

^

[real notch]

so when they get asked PVP questions, they start giving slightly wrong or completely wrong answers

not their fault tho, they don't care about PVP but

it's just bad for players who care about PVP to get that advice

[hybrid obsidian]

dunkek is ok, i trust pope

[real notch]

ya dunk is usually not wrong cus he has math skillz

i just meant like PVP tiering n stuff

[hybrid obsidian]

i dont even look tier list

and there arent any when i looked for it

[sturdy mantle]

I still like to take most of the tiering lists with a grain of salt, since you still need to take RNJesus into account

[hybrid obsidian]

only like 1 and its long time ago

[real notch]

lol

there is airpanda/aristiya's guide

overall it's got the right idea

just needs some fine tuning to be accurate for EN

[grave gale]

Still rates wasd too highly imo

[real notch]

yea the guidewriters are not playing mainly on EN

[hybrid obsidian]

wasd been good to me tho

[real notch]

so they don't know too much

[sturdy mantle]

I mean hell I ran a ranger retro meme fleet once and won only because RNJesus smiled upon me and procced quick launch three times in a row.

[hybrid obsidian]

even more now that sirre gets me to use 410mm

no more E fites

[real notch]

all hail twin 410mm

[hybrid obsidian]

my NC bears the role and she does great

[sturdy mantle]

If I am correct though the purple 406 Mk6 guns are still the meta for eagle ships

[hybrid obsidian]

for non e

i absolutrly will pick mk6

[grave gale]

I'm skeptical of offensive vanguards. Will the magnetic torps really make that big of a difference to abandon defensive set ups like Juneau and Eldridge for offensive DDs?

[hybrid obsidian]

over 410

[real notch]

probably not @grave gale

@sturdy mantle triple 406mm is BiS yes

if you want to go "meta route" that's the right choice

if you want to go "anti-meta" route you use twin 410mm

[sturdy mantle]

ehhh, when Ibuki comes out maybe m torps will be able to stack walls of skill

[hybrid obsidian]

my group jp dude says that torp nukes are quite relevant

but we just need to wait

and see

[real notch]

@grave gale if u think about it a lot of meta vanguard ships are torp ships

[grave gale]

I noticed

[real notch]

so they get the magtorps anyways

[grave gale]

and the Nagaka meta vanguard is all about using Aurora and Sendai to lower the opponent's evasion to ensure maximum opening strike damage

[real notch]

yea tatsuya that is the case because non-mag torps tend to "position miss"

but the problem now is that torps "evasion miss"

and you can't solve the "evasion miss" problem until you have EVA debuff ships like aurora or sendai

[wise summit]

if magtorps can make it so that frontlining eldridge/juneau get reliably popped prior to the first backline launch it will absolutely shake things up

[sturdy mantle]

Eldridge laughs at your attempts to stop her evasion

[hybrid obsidian]

lol

[grave gale]

It kind of boggles my mind that Aurora is a ship that randomly gets tossed in light construction. No event or anything and she's meta as fuck

[real notch]

but maybe ayanami will get kicked up a few tiers

[hybrid obsidian]

well, this morning my juneau ram into enemies ayanami and got nuke to 10%

[real notch]

you never know

[hybrid obsidian]

it was quitw a dsight

after 5s

[real notch]

yea rip

[wise summit]

I will be experimenting with foxes again if magtorps come out soon, being able to reliably and rapidly erase frontline will change everything

[real notch]

maybe we will start putting juneau in the back

am pretty excited for magtorps tho

[sturdy mantle]

we still have quite a ways to go with meta shifts though, eg when research comes out

[wise summit]

each meta is a beautiful and unique baby

except this one which is just sodak/wash

[real notch]

xd

yea LOL except this one

omfg i hate the ent duels

[wise summit]

I run hood just so I don't ever encounter an ent duel

[hybrid obsidian]

i love my uss girls tho

they r very nicely shaped

[sturdy mantle]

Enty duels are great though, its who does not proc OWARI DA first

[hybrid obsidian]

usually it s me who lose e duels

[wise summit]

I did a few days of sodak/wash/enty and the owarida duels were what made me decide I hated it

[sturdy mantle]

I had a back and forth go for 3 OWARI DAs once

[hybrid obsidian]

for somereason

at like 2 mins left

[wise summit]

sitting there for like 30 seconds trying to see who fails to proc first like jesus

[grave gale]

Ditto

Made me go back to foxes

[wise summit]

everything else died to owaridas but they are immune during each other's owaridas

[grave gale]

no more enty duels. Just dead enty

[real notch]

yea

it's so dumb

like

[wise summit]

I can confirm sodak/wash/hood beats enty as long as eldridge is frontlining

there will be rare occasions where eldridge fails to proc and opponent procs helena + owarida, but then you just reset

[hybrid obsidian]

usually my vanguard kills e

[wise summit]

much better than watching duels

[real notch]

you have better gear? doesn't matter
you have better enhancements? doesn't matter
you have better vanguard choices? doesn't matter

OWARIDA

[sturdy mantle]

you have to bank on your ability to oneshot enty though

[real notch]

twin 410mm does help a lot tho

[hybrid obsidian]

just do the sirre methid

lol

[real notch]

it doesn't completely erase the owaridas

[hybrid obsidian]

guarenteed kill

[real notch]

but it helps al ot

[hybrid obsidian]

my back w nc last 3 owaridas fine

[wise summit]

you can soak multiple owaridas with the full BB backline as long as eldridge procs to make all the helldiver and fighter bombs drop uselessly on frontline

rather than devastatingly on back

[sturdy mantle]

NC negates almost all the carriers nuke capabilities

[real notch]

yea that's true

NC does do her job

[grave gale]

Fortune and NC together

Enty and foxes tickle your back

[sturdy mantle]

MAX EVASION

[real notch]

maybe 3BBs with 2 twin 410s

is enough to stop the owaridas

[wise summit]

but whatcha gonna do when your silly NC meets my 3BB

probably win anyway with the attack bonus

[hybrid obsidian]

ye, win anyway

lol

[sturdy mantle]

what about using Hamman to negate BB first strike damage to get your owarida out?

[real notch]

damn lolman

that's 500IQ

[grave gale]

If people started using wasd + nc then others would run wasd + hood to counter

[hybrid obsidian]

i dont have any problem winning against anything save for E

before

[wise summit]

wasd+hood counters enty just fine as long as you have eldridge, if it didn't I wouldn't still be playing because it would be god damn unbearable

last week approaching reset almost every single match was sodak/wash/enty

on lex

[sturdy mantle]

Lex

lol

[real notch]

yea eldridge does counter wasd ent

until enemy wasd ent also has eldridge

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

then it's 2 backlines outbombing each other with an undying frontline

[sturdy mantle]

wait nvm I though you meant people were running lexington

[hybrid obsidian]

lolol

[real notch]

which will still end up with ent duels

[hybrid obsidian]

i saw lexington in pvp last wk

she was lvl 1

[sturdy mantle]

NC + Enty + Hood anti meta?

[hybrid obsidian]

hmm, i saw that twice ytd

whats the deal

[wise summit]

I sed wasd+hood and eldridge not wasd+ent and eldridge, it's backline barraging backline and then their planes get stuck dropping on frontline

[real notch]

hmm

[wise summit]

I haven't seen any NCs recently

[modern tree]

anti meta is hms with Eldridge which I should make my name tbh

[real notch]

i guses yea

[hybrid obsidian]

hm, really

[real notch]

@wise summit i mean assuming both vanguards die at the same time, the wasd hood would win

[hybrid obsidian]

last i ve seen of an hms fleet is a long time ago

[real notch]

you are right in that example scenario

[modern tree]

I am the last sane person on earth

[real notch]

but that might not be the case

[hybrid obsidian]

lul

[real notch]

because hood has a hard time killing vanguards

so practically the wasd ent will wipe your vanguard first

[hybrid obsidian]

they are easier target then others nonetheless, no invinc E usually

[wise summit]

I've been running this for the last two weeks or so, the only time wasd/hood fails to win is if eldridge doesn't proc and owarida manages to delete your frontline on the first airstrike

[real notch]

yea

well those are the loss conditions for wasd ent fleets as well

[wise summit]

that is a fringe scenario

[real notch]

have you been testing this

against strong fleets

[hybrid obsidian]

i d say this dude has 13k fleet and also bored w weak opp

[sturdy mantle]

Thats why I try to run meme fleets for fun in PVP now

[hybrid obsidian]

same

i run sandy

[real notch]

here's my reset test data for wasd + hood

Deadrel (Hood, Washington, South Dakota | Juneau, Belfast, Fortune) 13.4/12.5
current fleet (south dakota, washington, enterprise | juneau, belfast, eldridge) 13.2/12.3
game 1 - loss
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - win
game 7 - win
game 8 - win 
game 9 - win
game 10 - win

[wise summit]

I mean I don't deliberately look for weak fleets? lol, I haven't sat around and spam reset on a 13k fleet just to see how the fights go, just win and move on

[sturdy mantle]

why be meta when you can laugh at your meta slave enemy get memed on by a Atlanta + aircraft carrier BB fleet

[real notch]

but i haven't tested against eldridge

i reset test against strong fleets

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

it's the only way to be test your theorycrafting in game

but yea i'll have to look for a wasd + hood eldridge fleet

i feel like it won't make a huge difference because lucky E planes still do touchdown damage

[idle python]

well one thing to keep in mind

is that on offense wasd hood can always set hood across from enty

unless when you tested you already had hood across from enty

[real notch]

@idle python yea that's true

oh it's devil patchy

why'd u change ur name LOL

[wise summit]

I mean you only have my word to take for it so I'd be sceptical but it's minimal. Net effect of an enemy Lucky E on the backline when Eldridge evasion is up on frontline is very, very small

[hybrid obsidian]

oh wow

didnf realize that

[idle python]

because my pfp is yuyuko

[hybrid obsidian]

👌

[idle python]

didn't want to have my name to be patchy while having a yuyuko pfp

[real notch]

xd

but yea ur right

in that test, my ent was opposite sodak

if it was opposite washington

i would have less winrate because of washington barrage

[slow totem]

Facing WASDEnty, I’ll just use HMS to delete Enty before she even do anything.

Facing Foxes + Enty, I can confirm that NoCal + Fortune make their airstrikes useless.

[real notch]

LUL

yea or just do HMS

[wise summit]

hello harcourt

[slow totem]

Lexington bros!

[modern tree]

foxes dont really have stopping power without being on attack

[wise summit]

:p

[grave gale]

Maybe I will bulin my warspite. I do have 6 right now and if there's a 3 week break after Nep, that's plenty of time to get more before the next event.

[modern tree]

atm

[wise summit]

seen you in my combats a few times

[modern tree]

nagato is a big factor

[wise summit]

assuming you're King Harcourt anyway

[grave gale]

HMS is the one comp I haven't tried personally

[real notch]

my wasd ent didn't have fortune or NC

[wise summit]

back when I was still running akaga

[slow totem]

Well yes, cause QE is mai waifu, that makes me King. :P

[real notch]

so fighting foxes it was still scary af

hang on, i have a relevant test to show too

[hybrid obsidian]

king harcourt

[slow totem]

Just need to change Ent to NoCal and stick Fortune on the fromt

[hybrid obsidian]

how comr i ve never seen you

[real notch]

here's a maxed fox fleet test for comparison

ElboyNG (hood, kaga, akagi | juneau, belfast, fortune) 12.8/11.3
current fleet (south dakota, washington, enterprise | juneau, belfast, eldridge) 13.2/12.3
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - loss
game 4 - win
game 5 - loss
game 6 - win

[slow totem]

Never worry about foxes again

There are thousands of players.

Maybe that’s why

[real notch]

60% win rate

with 20% attack boost

[hybrid obsidian]

oh, wait, u on lexington

[wise summit]

I wanted very badly to run HMS

[hybrid obsidian]

thats why

[real notch]

that's basically guaranteed loss lol

[wise summit]

but I STILL don't have WS

[hybrid obsidian]

me too, but belfast still hate me

so i hate hms

none of the girls on british faction get ringed yet

[wise summit]

I think the biggest disappointment in my AL life is when I finally got enty, maxed, wedded her, and then realised if I play her I'm stuck fucking doing owarida duels

[real notch]

LMFAO

relatable....

[hybrid obsidian]

nonetheless, i cant come to hate my E

[real notch]

i maxed her in like 6 days

[hybrid obsidian]

so i ll keep on luck E

[real notch]

to start PVPing with her early

[slow totem]

Do various builds, don’t be a one trick pony.

[real notch]

only to realize i being disappointed early

[hybrid obsidian]

lel, dont worry

i have +10 gears on at least 13 gals by now

so i do have some tricks

[slow totem]

[wise summit]

I have a kind of internal loss threshold where if I have to reset too many games I change my lineup

[real notch]

yea me too

[hybrid obsidian]

for me before 2200 , i just gear up my cute ijn gals to do pvp, reset alot, while after i just use my 3uss bbs

[real notch]

that's why i came up with reset testing

because i need to know if i'm resetting due to bad RNG or an actual problem in my fleet exists

[hybrid obsidian]

im planning on trying this next

what d you think

[wise summit]

I'm currently running Sodak/Wash/Hood, Juneau/Eldridge/Helena and it's been the most reliable for me so far. Only 2 scenarios where I came close to a loss and had to reset were: (1) the one I mentioned earlier, when enemy Enty removes frontline in conjunction with Helena and Eldridge doesn't proc and (2) mirror where RNG is bad to the point where one of your backline gets deleted before the enemy by failing to barrage

[modern tree]

the buff is cool but opportunity cost might be too high

as in, you are running a bad bote to make better botes, why not run a good bote

[wise summit]

what's hobby do again

[modern tree]

15 seconds after battle begins, increase whole fleet's Firepower, Reload and Evasion by 1.5% (6%) for 20 seconds.

[wise summit]

that doesn't seem like enough to justify bringing her

[hybrid obsidian]

well, cuz i have many good botes already

[modern tree]

that said

[hybrid obsidian]

lol

[wise summit]

unless you love her

[hybrid obsidian]

[modern tree]

I am currently powerleveling Suffolk and Ark to run in hms

[wise summit]

[modern tree]

so try stupid shit cuz its freee

[real notch]

tfw hobby skin is kizuna ai

[hybrid obsidian]

lel, i run IJN only pvp team when it s not yet 2200

sooo

[grave gale]

Fortune doesn't do much with foxes. The're still squishy with her so all she does is make them a bit less squishy.

I think fortune only makes a good vanguard with BB backlines

[slow totem]

[real notch]

i have to do more fortune testing

[slow totem]

Yes, BB Backline (Inc NoCal) + Fortune

Mmmmmmh....

[real notch]

how is she working out for u guys against wasd?

[hybrid obsidian]

for me fortune is good when it s in a hms fleet

which i havent seen recently

otherwise, i d not use her

[slow totem]

My fortune has double +10 Toolboxes

Then buffed by QE, so she’s a cockroach that’s also thicc

[wise summit]

fortune isn't thicc what are you talking about

[hybrid obsidian]

you run more than 1 dd?

[slow totem]

That makes the backline thiccer

Yep.

[hybrid obsidian]

lol, the usage of thicc has increased

[slow totem]

Eldridge + Fortune + Cancernau

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

fortune is must proteccc

[hybrid obsidian]

fortume doesnt look good in my book

[wise summit]

oh I thought it only referred to like, thiccness of character art

[hybrid obsidian]

[modern tree]

Fortune is necesary for my team to bypass wash barrages and plane touchdown damage on enterprise while my eldridge tanks everything else

[slow totem]

She is good, with QE or NoCal

[wise summit]

which is an important factor in pvp psychological warfare

[slow totem]

Nah, thicc as in health.

+1k health on a DD

[hybrid obsidian]

[slow totem]

👌

[wise summit]

+1k health on a DD is kind of just necessary imo if you're running it in pvp

otherwise one bad volley or torpedo and bye

[slow totem]

My Eldridge also has double +10 Toolboxes

So thicc.

[wise summit]

maybe exception for ayakai who might want a torpedo in one slot

but waiting for magtorps before I play with her

[slow totem]

Oh yeah, Ayakai’s a weird one

[hybrid obsidian]

hm, dd, 1 of them could just use pearl

[wise summit]

my eldridge is +10 pearl +10 toolkit

[hybrid obsidian]

aya doesnt want a torp in slot

at least for now

she dies just like that

[modern tree]

I use Boiler on my Eldridge because fuck being slow

[slow totem]

I put the pearl on Juneau cause screw overhealing.

[hybrid obsidian]

Lol

my jesus has kit and bulge

[wise summit]

same

[hybrid obsidian]

...

[slow totem]

Juneaus Christ

Died for our sins

For the greater good

[wise summit]

Dies constantly and repeatedly

[real notch]

yep

[slow totem]

🔥 🔥

[hybrid obsidian]

torp penetrator reducing armour

[real notch]

my eldridge is also pearl x toolkit

[wise summit]

I'm actually not sure what to put on Helena

I have 2x toolkit on her right now

[slow totem]

I put AA Radar + Pearl on Juneau.

[hybrid obsidian]

when i used to run her