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@stuck copper 300k?
He's
Well I'm on 408k
Or 500k
Too lewd needed to be censored
Pretty sure hard cap was 600k in AL.
The banner was very generous and gave me like
All the botes in like 20-30 cubes
So I didn't eat my supplies much
I'm better off saving for Polaris
Thankfully I'm not too fussed about Polaris
But the new Acasta skin

Why do they do this to me


The power of whaling
I like how people
"I'd drop money on this game if I could play for more than couple of hours"
like being able to restore sanity ISN'T the main thing you whale for

skins are cheap and you not bombarded with them
if you're a whale - you won't have any issues with that
But I can't because I have to dump full OPs into getting 3 parts for Pramanix.
but if you a F2P - like, ye, duh, you have to make a choice
F2P in every game has to make those tough decisions.
but even when I whale I feel it hardly does anything.
is it tough tho? 
Skins vs. Progression seems tough to me.
like
it's a choice between cosmetic skins and actually playing the game
when you say whaling. its not like you're spending 1k+
Yeah, both sound like important components.
more in terms of I spend in this game
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I whale for OP, but it's basically like spending $1 for 4 more runs.
Unless you're talking about actually progressing through stories... but even that progressively becomes more expensive and goes down to $1 per 5 runs.
300$ just to have fun /keep playing AK
Because again, it's only gonna get you 4 runs max.
Well that's also part of the reason
The more recent CN events removed stamina cost entirely
we all like the game. but the sanity part is the worst part of about AK
havent played it
I wouldn't mind the Sanity part... it just has to be well done... the way it is now is far from well done.
I'll be real with you
The reason the sanity is done in such a way
Is so that you AREN'T
Forced to play for hours on end
Ark was always made as like a side thing
The devs themselves said that
but that's for the eastern culture
No that's the purpose for the game itself
in the west . we buy /spend on one thing. we expected to get full enjoyment of it
ye
Then do other things
But that's the thing.
When you hop on and play a little... you get so little done you might as well have not done anything.
it's not AL where you supposed to min-max the cost and sit here for an entire day grinding event 50 times and getting A single blueprint in the process

hope on for less than 10 mins and finish full 120+ stam and go off isn't game play for some people
I played Ark for 8+ months after all
maybe i should give it a go then
Entirely F2P too
then dont play hyuon lol
That's not a valid solution.
dont' play? I like it the TD gameplay
To just not play?
If you're not the target audience
Then it's not for you
Simple as that
oh right its TD
not for me lmao
i hate td
It's not exactly a big loss for the biggest grossing mobage
yeah sure they wont go bankrupt because one player stops playing lmao
It made more money
In the first 2 weeks
Than EVERY other mobage
Let that sink in
F2p is their target audience
and gacha craze people
not us who just refil 10x a day to "progress" faster
Will I say it's a perfect game?
Definitely not
It can do with being tweaked
But would I say it goes against it's reason for existing
my only issue with sanity is that sanity packs expire
the daily mail we had with the 60 sanity is also temp. after that why stop sending us more?
I'm fine with playing an hour a day if I can save that sanity for when it's needed like with FGO
it was the best part reading the mail .
It was a starting campaign

i wnder if the reason it made so much money on launch was cuz people went in with a play24/7 mindset
This
I see. . sad to see it go.
Well yeah, we wanna play the game.
Even during big events
and you can't keep the mail since it gets deleted
It still tops the sellers
Schwarz event for example put it at number 1 again
It constantly does
yostar is a big name now huh
Let's be real here
We can shaft the players who wanna play the game for more than an hour though.
Like genuinely real

Every gacha
Makes 99% of it's money
From whales
Period
Has never been any different
There's a reason the 20/80 rule exists
I mean , we already knew that?
They're sending out 200-sanity borgars for the event next week
Can probably squeeze 8 runs out of that.
Which proves they learned from last time
Oh trust me you should have played CN
The events were way worse
Due to lack of stamina at times
that said, I think it's one of those things where they can open the floodgates if they decide they need to later, but what they don't want is people playing for two weeks, grinding through every map with a perfect team, and then walking away forever
Tbf
As Avatar said
If people get full comps
They'll stop playing
Because why would you need to with a max comp
ah its a paywall limit because of lack of content then?
See, I accept that reasoning more than the target audience argument... but even with that argument, the stopgap is having that Sanity Refresh Limit.
makes sense
Well let's be honest
The game is what
1 year old on CN
It's hardly an old game
oh
So they don't want people blazing through it all in minutes
Then complaining about having nothing to do
the stopgap is having that Sanity Refresh Limit.
it was removed on CN
take Granblue, for example. Used to have very strict stamina limits. The system is still there, but... I have like 4500 stamina pots. My -actual- stamina (and sanity) is the limit
Yeah now GBF
In the stage of the game we're on.
it is a single player game, why care if we progress fast?
Has like
Is what that implies to.
Infinite stamina
Becuse now we have limited content.
some want to level their stuff/max in the same day as supposed to 2 weeks
No money = dead game
though GBF is way, way, way, way more grindy
You have to look at it from a business perspective
no one? I spend 10 refills a day since launch, 10$
160$ spent on refills
People on AL literally complain about this daily
"you want to max uncap this unit? You need 500 of this, 500 of that, 4000 of these, and one of these that drops off super-hard raids .01% of the time"
Yes. If you go that far it's clear you love the game.
As I did for AL.
saying I don't like the game
And continue to play.
You're not going to waste more half the time

10 refill is more than 5 days of progression
But it has down times right?
And that's fine? Time to reserve resources.
Point being though is that
They don't want people blazing through a fairly new game
Then complaining about lack of content
Due to their own impatience
Which happens far too often
nothing to do? so many characters to max and so much stuff go farm, takes a ton of sanity
LEL
You're talking about whales here
Whales will whale regardless
I've seen people with full 6* comps all full pot
yeah, but also stuck on sanity problems
so many characters to max and so much stuff go farm, takes a ton of sanity
isn't the whole argument that you won't have anything to do if it WON'T take a ton of sanity tho?

they can have all characters by spending on gacha. then don't have enough sanity to farm
Yeah that was kind of the point of the argument
It's the only thing that limits your progression
If you remove that
People would be done in days
Lol
ye, what a great idea, thanks for your input, appreciated
Yes. And, no one here is against the Sanity being there. But we want more for the sanity.
The only problem generally with that kind of thing is usually they have to follow some sort of regulation by the original devs
never need sanity to be removed but to reduce on some stages
Cause do remember
Yostar =/= Hypergryph
Which means they still have to follow the contract they made
I mean
any changes to the game are done BY the devs
Yeah
Indeed.
But there's a feedback channel.
Have stamina systems
So we use it.
we
Despite the fact the law for stamina doesn't exist for EN players
we'll see if that channel means anything.
I mean with Elsword I don't remember how long the game has been going
But even to this day
The stamina system still exists
I mean, I think about it this way
all feedback there is noted
doesn't mean it'll be acted upon
I have other games to play
Despite the constant complaints about it

or we're just making /begging for stuff and they read it and " yeah sure , in your dreams"
Well it's because at the end of the day
I don't want more games that say "play 5 hours a day or otherwise sux2bu"
precisely because Arknights isn't a big time commitment, I can toss it on the pile.
I'm sure af stamina won't be changed
not on a massive scale people want at least
Because of one reason
Most of AL can be done entirely F2P
The reason ark makes so much is because the reverse is true
sanity won't change, CN people already complained to no avail.
Like AL is seen as really generous but the numbers for making money are probably among the lowest for gacha
Simply cause gacha works on the gambling mindset
I am sure AL would make a ton more money if ships are locked in premium gacha currency.
Yes exactly
Razzles, "among the lowest" of the top rank maybe
it still makes tons of money
there's a billion gacha you've never heard of
Would you want to make Ark F2P
And remove most of the thing that makes them wonga
Or keep making wonga
It's rather simple when looked at in such a way
But alas I'm playing devil's advocate here
right now I only play 2 games. AL and AK. AL since launch. still love it. AK now its in the middle of being dumped.
There are so many gacha that go with that mentality and fail though. because "keeping making us money" isn't even a balanced mentality even from a business perspective.
While this is true
That's why you can play Ark F2P relatively easily
Since gacha currency isn't tied to whale currency
For that exact reason
nobody's patient anymore
And while it's true you can play AK F2P... you can hardly even "play" because of how big the stopgap is.

I mean
This is where I was before they added the CN number requirement
So it's not that hard
so you can't play it or what
After a year or so right?
8 months
Without the monthly either
Completely F2P
I mean an extra 60 stamina per day is a big deal
When you count it over every day
lemme stop for a second
how many AAA games have you played for less than that?
Most AAA games get boring in 5 minutes
time?
Less than 8 months.

I think the point he's making
most AAA games are singleplayer
I'd say if you get that much enjoyment out of Ark, it's at least succeeding somewhat
you wot
obviously you play em for less
and if you're playing it without getting enjoyment out of it for that long, the issue might be you ^^
Personally
I've enjoyed ark
Sure it's not a super play heavy game
But it's fun for what it is
did anyone said about not enjoying it?
isn't the whole premise of this discussion is that the game IS enjoyable, but you can't play for too long?

I just wish I hadd an extra 100 sanity limit personally. Other than that is fine
If anything Azur Lane spoils me with gacha currency.
I think AL spoiled a lot of people
That anything else seems lacking
Yeah, Azur is very far on the generous side of it
Which explains why they throw a lot of skins every patch
I think people went into AK expecting similar treatment as from AL
Not like AL which can be every week

At times
Yeah I think that's part of the problem
When you get to eat a good cake
You start disliking other cakes that aren't as good
like
they're cheap
and you get them rarely
and not bombarded with em
In that sense
it's not even "less good"
I just wish I could get more pulls in a week. Cause you get like enough currency for like 5 in a week?
Well I'm talking figuratively
you got used to eating like huge cake
but then there's this small cupcake
and it's still great
but it's a small cupcake
Yeah that anything less isn't satisfying your needs
Tbf
@icy plume One should never 10 roll in Ark anyway
Generally single rolls are best
Till you hit the guaranteed
you know, though, the thing is with Ark... there's just not that many chars
Cause you get like enough currency for like 5 in a week?
and banners for 2-weeks
and you shouldn't roll for more than 10 on it anyway

maths checks out
but! they've done a really unusually great job of making them useful
Which btw
I've had no issues
Getting the guaranteed during any banner
Even when 2 banners were done at once
@tough burrow Bruh there are two banners
Oh how rarely?
ye, you can get a guaranteed each banner
But yeah I did it F2P and it is much easier when you can get the monthly
That's for sure
Monthly is great. 1 roll every 2 days is solid here.
Let's not forget
Sometimes you don't want to pull during banners too
Unless you REALLY want a dupe
Due to the fact it's a 50% chance for event units
I just really want Siege 
LEL
And still pull Exu
heccin cliff off both standard banner and silverash guarantee
@stuck copper just be rando
oh it's Rei
he popped like 29308462345235$ on eyjaf yesterday
🚶
Bull Rush Ehjya.
I got 3 6* from first banner and like 5 5*
Btw you probably have more odds winning the lottery
none of em were rate-up
razz talkin baby matters
Yar
But seriously the odds is like
Rate up is a lie.
tho I did get Silverdaddy from his banner
0.14 or something
i got silverbruh from top op tag
depends which lottery, in canada is 1 in 33mil +
Touche
somehow I managed to get Silver, Hoshi, and Nightingale
not sure bout us, 1 in 300 mil?
my luckiest moment in ak so far was this
(not in one 10, lol)
And Luna gets them every other day.
You know the worst thing about that roll though
Look at the tags I got at that time

You could not get worse tags really
That seems to be common.
oh look it's that shitter rei
no tag
1 hr
Getting all the best tags at once.
If only there was a top op nuker
Dafuq who.
RazzlesToday at 1:25 PM
You could not get worse tags really
i mean
you can just solo top op

so far from recruitment I got firewatch and mayer.
I’ve lost faith in getting top op.
For example Skadi is your standard Melantha
I have to say that EN is by far the most toxic out of the 4 AK regions
You talk like this is surprising though
i got top op and could pick between exu and dupe siege
went solo top op and was like "i demand silverbruh"
CN is p close
and it gave silverbruh
EN is always toxic
@stuck copper 

Been doing good work keeping it afloat though
You guys act as if Gacha gamers in other regions are saints.
look at this, EN being toxic

LOL
Accurate Yama
I mean
nobody is saints
but JP and KR and CN together don't complain as much as EN does
Well tbf
The reason for that is simple
i think is part of "EN" culture
when we have something to say , we will say it
Yeah and FGO EN are horrible players lol
jp/cn/kr are more reserved
I've seen them as I run a server with a ton of them
they just rant in moonrunes so it doesnt look like complaining


I mean one of the most common complaints
"WHY WON'T THEY MAKE EN CATCH UP WAAAHHH"
Something to that effect
Almost a daily occurrence
Naturally, being 2 years behind is kinda pepega.
FGO has a stamina lock
tbf at the start of FGO there was nothing to do anyway, so noone cared about stamina

Implying there's anything to do now
what if EN AK doing quick catch up that they skip 3rd banner ?


They already are skipping a banner
I woudn't know, I don't play FGO

I don’t even know if I should skip banners and wait for Mostima.
But it makes sense anyway since catching up only works if you skip stuff
i mean
you play gachas more than a bit and there really aint much new to do than just raise units
I do think that the auto mode makes the stamina problem worse, though. I mean, if the game session is "I press 20 buttons and I'm out"...

I'm only rolling for a guaranteed

gotta save for chen
also the damn idots quickly coming to complain after some "dataminer" told them that a banner is missing from game files

I mean skipping standard banners
Makes sense anyway
Since catching up can only be done if some corners are cut
it was both
Like that's natural
I mean if you ran all content
Gotta skip some banners sometimes.
and it wasn't system clock
At the same pace
since the game uses the server clock
You'd stay in a neutral spot
I just hope Mostima isn’t skipped
Yama
I don't know nor care how it works
Not event banners
Ayyyyeee

Which makes sense
I’m golden then.
Skipping a standard banner
Won't affect anything
Event banners be different
like
Guess I can rely on on the CN event listing to gauge how quickly Mostima is coming then.
why don't people complain about it in AL when smth is missing from the game files
Yama, just ban anyone who complains about datamine for breaking game ToS
Intern, we are distracted by the qipao

time to remove your 5* from game files

As long as I can get Mostima idgaf about a lot of units.
why don't people complain about it in AL when smth is missing from the game files
well, for one, because it's not in game files till the maint update
"Watch me pull mostima during this banner because of my rng"

And I did pull her during that day
i mean
I guess
second - because AL from the start said "fuck off with your CN order" and just does whatever
I mean AK will also be like AL
In what way Yama?
the files will be dropped in during maint
people here complain bout stuff like some idk spanish bote dropping a single spanish sentence


it's just that the initial version needed some baseline to start at
I will be honest Restart
People assume
It will go based on CN's rotation
But as we saw with AL
I'm talking about AL
AL showed from the start that no
Throw caution into the wind.
AK is in like
"noone said it, but noone said reverse either, so like kinda..."
no u

just start running events in the wrong order purely so people stop assuming we following CN
and it's not even a joke tbh
I wouldn’t mind.
dam
Run like one of the last banners
I’d like Blaze too.
idc bout banner order just gimme my specter and lappland and uhhh the other 23847623 other 5*s i want
Make the banner rotation roulette based.

To make it more interesting

SPIN THE WHEEL

Pin the tail on the yamathot.
To determine banners
Lol
FUCK I ROLLED A SIEGE BANNER DUPE
yamathot would ban everyone if he could

I can
He's already banned me from his heart
I already banned a dozen people today already

Only a dozen?

yamathot still trying to find reasons to ban me


I don't need one

about Rei being banned btw
turns out he's not the only one who was banned on ALEC, but is fine here

dam
Lol

You have disappointed all of us
And our day is ruined
Navi is still in ALEC last I saw.
navilul
Not as mod obv.
navi was a meme
Ah okay.
sent a pic of his chest or sth once cuz people were talkin bout hiyou's 6 pack or sth

????????????
But your banned
Being owner of nearly 71k
I don't think being a mod in another place would be good for me

I'm already an admin in 2 places
i mean
I think we can live without seeing Navi's chest 
ik
In fact
I would prefer if we did

I’m tempted to apply for mod hood in AKO but being a mod sounds tiring.
Mod would be a pain for me
I already mod one and admin two places
One being owned
ye, we heard you first 10 times


I owned a LN server, but I disbanded it when I got tired.
what who?
Looks gae
what issue?
probably ingame chat
Mute bots.
Well in game people used to mute a lot
oh, who cares
Special place for special rei
The people who wanna flex portraits.
I was more curious if it was fixed restart

imagine having an in-game chat
this post was made by AK gang
AK gang sounds...
dangerous

Restart 
I mean they're degenerates with a goal
Okay I slep now.
That already makes them a danger to everyone
I was more curious if it was fixed restart
it wasn't broken to be fixed
it wasn't changed if that's what you asking
Being able to get people muted for entire days due to just spamming reports was purposely done?
it wasnt a bug
it was a feature
to drive people away from the shitty ingame chat


I never knew
i gave you the enlightened answer
yes, that's how reporting system works
people get reported
and if they reported a lot of times
they get muted
that is in fact intended feature
No one got time for that

no, it's automated
are u ok razz

in any game

Just more curiosity
deep
It's sad because it's true
Being an adult means being responsible
Ain't nobody got time for that

Tbf it's why I don't get when kids be like
"I want to be an adult"
I'm there like legit adult
"No you don't"

you really don't get it? 
i never wanted to grow up dw
I have the mentality of a 10 and 40 yr old at the same time
cos they never experience being an adult
they don't know downsides of it
why would they be aware of it
I know that feel Yama

me when I was a kid: growing up is hard imma never learn to read and write stuff
res des
resu desu


gotta start when they small
Yush

inaba's motto
I assume the left is for modship?

modsheep
I never understand why people of age want to be a mod
You do your job and people give you shit

too much free time
It's my life dream to mod AK discord and ban rei before dying of coronavirus 
do it bitch

I had to ask seseren for some of his works to use in AKO as emotes
Ah, that's interesting

Seseren is a good fella

Hibi is great

im still not exactly sold on ak and if I finish story I'd prob get bored in 2 days and quit so not doing story yet
my healers are ptilo and silence

uh

wrong one
He really does

Oh yeah definitely

i want like 2348765234 more 5*s and just 1 or maybe 2 more 6s kek
atleast one of the 5s i want is free

Thankfully I'm not too bothered about 6* as much
Since they're more of a novelty than like a necessity
I just want enough ops to run two shifts in the base

Ah Ceylon
She's good
Longest range healer too
Well if we discount perfumers map wide passive
Arknights collab tomorrow 
i dont even know what she does
well you just said what she does
she looks nice and I want
and she's free anyway
so no urmomdum gonna be eaten

Hopefully atre skins come after this collab at the cafe 
btw
Ak collab, really?
< Hasn't been checking recently
this professor is using comic sans for the power point presentation
Lol
we just memein
At the cafe in ahki































