yeah, but they're worse in some places
#avrora-general
cyan arch
Its called luck
stuck copper
the way the game is designed, at least visually, suggests it's a game of skill
flat palm
The ones here in eu is actually just scam, no luck involved
main stump
Trying to make a new team 
cyan arch
Well bad for those peeps which fall for it
stuck copper
there's nothing from with the game itself. it's the deception that sucks.
cyan arch
People complaining about such machines but still using it 
stuck copper
and those games clearly came from a place where they were used to scam people
well, i got something nice when i played one back then
popped in two bucks, got thirty bucks in product.
flat palm
Nap time 
wintry sonnet
I dont even remember if I ever won any of them
it's been ages since I last played a claw
stuck copper
i won one of those magnet ones that are impossibly difficult to match
cosmic pier
last time I playeded claws was in yakuza 0
wintry sonnet
poop
cosmic pier
does that count
wintry sonnet
flat palm
Aww
wintry sonnet
all 4 in 24h
flat palm
Poot hasnt graduated yet
wintry sonnet
I'm not even sure if she's a dog, or a rabbit or a donkey or some weird hybrid but I'm lovin it
cosmic pier
from REEEEE DONT PING ME I'LL KILL YOU AND YOUR WHOLE FAMILY to 
tag: poop, mindbreak, maybe feet
flat palm
Atleast you didnt get demoted to pleb like rubi
main stump
Is that girls frontline? 
wintry sonnet
that looks less like a potato
and more like a testicle
at least I've never seen a pink potato around here
flat palm
Only problem is i dont rly have a good CE for her
flat palm
@steep scarab 
cyan arch
Win 3 games 1 div up loss 1 game 2 div down lul
flat palm
Ganbaru chia
cyan arch
flat palm
cosmic pier
waifu#9234143
cyan arch
So she can cut your food nice
flat palm
main stump
Where's astolfo 
flat palm
steep scarab
cosmic pier
under your bed
main stump
steep scarab
flat palm
stuck copper
lunch
flat palm
cosmic pier
stuck copper
"dora"
cosmic pier
aqu u sound kinda gae
wintry sonnet
that's just your inner voice
unless you use TTS on discord, you can't hear voices here
cosmic pier
ye my mind makes voices for different people on the inet
and ur assigned voice is gae
cosmic pier
stuck copper
i have around 1700 coins
steep scarab
smh rei
ornate mantle
cosmic pier
blush/10
cosmic pier
odd kestrel
icy plume
Why is Z-46 using the twin 127?
cosmic pier
stuck copper
she does fine with it. it's not wrong to give it to her. there's just better.
if you're not using a 100mm to fish for procs, you use a 138.6. the 127mm is just a poor man's version of that gun.
you can also argue that barrage-focused builds don't do so well during auto, because they can just flatout miss, whereas regular fire is targeted. it's really a matter of preference (and/or availability).
verbal obsidian
devout wing
clear gate
@stuck copper the 138.6 is also a poor man's version of itself :3
Honestly I like purple 138.6 a lot
clear gate
Hiya Apple
icy plume
I will most definitely farm SP5 for the 138 Purple, Bofors, and the gold french BB gun
ornate mantle
Woah what is this.
warm bluff
ornate mantle
S2?
cosmic pier
it was released a while ago, and ye s2 will be released after this thingie they are releasing
ornate mantle
It’s just a rehash of the first 2 episodes.
Hmmmmm, I need to watch the movie today ig
warm bluff
cosmic pier
warm bluff
cosmic pier
flat palm
i have a better one
cosmic pier
watched this one and then watched someone roll reines, skadi, arjunter and mhxa in 1 gssr roll
luck balance be like
nonexistent
flat palm
cosmic pier
lul
cosmic pier
warm bluff
warm bluff
warm ice
warm ice
warm bluff
warm bluff
icy plume
Looking at some warship girls r designs and some of them are kinda shit
icy plume
They made sandy a cat girl
ornate mantle
cosmic pier
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447210024134115329/663835722184130590/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/447210024134115329/663835851486265353/unknown.png
im doomed
all them fluids
warm bluff
solar fjord
cosmic pier
flat palm
ornate mantle
@warm ice : Curse Curse, your rolls can’t get any Worse.
flat palm
i want okita alter alot, but she comes out at a shitty time so its a no
anything before skadi and summer BB is just nope
flat palm
thats why
you dont use em at all once
most efficiently is to use embers till you got half a level
clear gate
I thought of an idea
Sandy can seemingly make any AA gun work
I should try her in ch12, with the numerically worst AA gun in the game, the T1 37mm M42
clear gate
The T1 Browning is down there too
solar fjord
okita alter at anni 
cosmic pier
solar fjord
so many people did the GSSR on jp and were getting NP3 or 4 
ornate mantle
It’s JP.
solar fjord
15 paid quartz GSSR is coming no excuse not to roll
flat palm
^
ornate mantle
stuck copper
no
solar fjord
cursed image
stuck copper
this guy seems to have taken a picture of the screen instead of a proper screenshot. it's blurry af.
flat palm
im too scared to roll extra on gssr, it has amakusa, sherlock nd jeanne np2
flat palm
id rather try lucksacc hime, jack, semiramis or shuten
cosmic pier
which gssr is that even
ik next's supposed to be class specific and prob the one after that
flat palm
o
cosmic pier
hm so the gssr after the next 2 ig?
wonder if I can get okki to 98 today
3 hrs ish left for ass embers
cosmic pier
isee
solar fjord
2021 for him 
warm ice
Go to jail.
warm bluff
my switch pro controller came in today 
warm ice
I'm not even sure if I'm allowed to post a picture of Jack to show Ina how much he's going to jail.
warm bluff
message me!
warm bluff
cosmic pier
warm bluff
solar fjord
icy plume
@ornate mantle fight the Mantis Lords yet?
ornate mantle
No
icy plume
Good luck
wintry sonnet
holy fucking shit
I wake up and the first thing I read is Ricky Gervais orbital nuking the golden globes
this year is the best thing ever so far
somber halo
same
cosmic pier
somber halo
same man
icy plume
I am doing Georgia atm
stuck copper
next is seattle. cleveland class ftw
somber halo
same
stuck copper
the fuck do you have that many resources?
somber halo
sounds about right
frank ingot
giga wehl
stuck copper
she was cheap
stuck copper
20k compared to big-ass fdg
wintry sonnet
classy women have needs
somber halo
stuck copper
and i dont have to use shitty ijn ships in w12 anymore
ornate mantle
IJN AA is nonexistent.
stuck copper
that's why i farmed my ass off during this event
somber halo
same
ornate mantle
Event ends in 2 days.
somber halo
i dont have enough purins to get the IJN border
stuck copper
you only have to mlb two SRs
somber halo
stuck copper
okay
somber halo
im short one purin
stuck copper
if you go ryu hoe and no shiro, you could make it
dump two in ryuhoe, two in noshiro, and get one noshiro dupe
somber halo
sounds like a plan
cosmic pier
isn't there usually 1 week extra for the pepega borders
just get the purin from next weekly or pvp or just grind noshiro points
stuck copper
ngl getting that dupe is gonna be a pain, unless you've got some points stashed
or what rei said
somber halo
as of yesterday, i finished everything i wanted from the store
stuck copper
those two ships are actually top-tier, so it's not like you're wasting em on trash
somber halo
tru
im also running B3 for that 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance as well
wintry sonnet
frank ingot
better off grinding c2
wintry sonnet
done phase 1 of azuma grind
somber halo
i mean yes for points
wintry sonnet
time to swap all backliners to all vanguards
somber halo
but i meant the noshiro drop tho
frank ingot
ye
flat palm
oh my 30m gasco came back
frank ingot
fuck the drop just loot from shop
somber halo
8k points is quite a lot fam
somber halo
yeah, you could get 1 azuma
somber halo
im still farming for PR1 prints
flat palm
wintry sonnet
I'll never run this project ever again
frank ingot
8k not that much
flat palm
just 20 more runs of 12-4
stuck copper
you'll likely get two prints for the featured ship
wintry sonnet
well 2 is also shit
stuck copper
could be 1, could be 3
wintry sonnet
I get 2 out of purple projects
stuck copper
if you're lucky, you get another one or two of the other one
wintry sonnet
and those dont cost me cubs
somber halo
mediums are like
stuck copper
well, the benefit lies in the short length
somber halo
cursed
stuck copper
it's expensive, but you can power through multiple projects quickly, theoretically
flat palm
Pretty happy with my bp
wintry sonnet
dam aki you've been smashing through those
flat palm
yeah
wintry sonnet
I haven't even gotten up to 20 on anyone
stuck copper
don't you have things to spend your coins on?
flat palm
so ill get her to 100 and use ring soon
wha
i havent had time to use her
with how i do pr2
somber halo
im pretty sure a lot of us do PR in a similar way
its just the difference in physical time all of us have
wintry sonnet
poop
flat palm
somber halo
poot forever lil mood
steep scarab
Wad qan?
wintry sonnet
stuck copper
i legit can't afford projects right now. still not done with kinu kai
wintry sonnet
flat palm
ill be back down to 0 coins in a few hours
steep scarab
Wehlrod
wintry sonnet
Jane Bond
flat palm
then starting seattle 
stuck copper
and those high-level uncaps are no joke either
somber halo
damn, aki getting on that 4th PR already
frank ingot
have to rush through these daily comms
frank ingot
aki wehl
flat palm
was painful
frank ingot
just throw noshiro everywhere and buy oils
frank ingot
somber halo
aki is the first person i kno that buys oil
frank ingot
but too lazy to use so i think i'll just do 50 gem refill instead
stuck copper
i bought nothing. was a bit rough.
somber halo
i only buy coin
stuck copper
i have exactly 6 coins
stuck copper
and 1323 oil
stuck copper
didnt help that most of my comms were trash
somber halo
just dont live in recession
stuck copper
i keep getting cube comms and no oil
verbal obsidian
stuck copper
i have 815 cubes. they can keep those.
somber halo
lowkey i need more H-comms
stuck copper
i wish i could buy shit with cubes
somber halo
im running out of chips
frank ingot
meanwhile people i know really have 50k oil worth of mail
flat palm
speaking of buying oil
somber halo
that too
flat palm
did aran die
frank ingot
flat palm
havent seen him last 2 days
frank ingot
i pity their 0 exp lecture halls
somber halo
what if aran is ACTUALLY farming rn
flat palm
monkaS
somber halo
#richpeopleproblems
wintry sonnet
#worldwarreeeeeee
man, I hope we won't be having a big event for at least 2-3 weeks
somber halo
what about muse?
verbal obsidian
Whats a frayya
wintry sonnet
was it a farm event
ornate mantle
FDG isn't actually that painful.
wintry sonnet
somber halo
i forgot
ornate mantle
Azuma was more painful because of the Frontline req
wintry sonnet
if it doesnt require grinding then I'm cool with it
I just can't deal with another fiesta
ornate mantle
I need 100 runs or so of 12-4
stuck copper
one week is all i need, though i wouldnt mind two. i got monster hunter to play.
somber halo
low key tho, i think frontline grinding is easier than backline grinding
because i have more higher level frontline botes
wintry sonnet
depends on the map
if you can wipe the enemy before backline gets to vomit damage
then yea
somber halo
atm, i cannot do FDG because my backliners are underleveled
stuck copper
vanguard tends to be cheaper
wintry sonnet
that too
stuck copper
and i fucking hate the time dillation on BBs
ornate mantle
Frontline cheaper for sure.
stuck copper
bring three BBs, have the game slow down a billion times in a single fight
ornate mantle
But Backline gets so much EXP.
wintry sonnet
also, FDG farming wasn't even bad tho I used underlevelled purples for the backline
somber halo
the only one i think that doesnt suffer from that is jean fart
wintry sonnet
but it was painful to find the right vanguard
who could tank and not steal mvps at the same time
somber halo
i think phoenix and minne?
wintry sonnet
Minnie I had to give a crappy blue gun
stuck copper
for the love of god, don't bring torps
wintry sonnet
to actually prevent her mvps
somber halo
oh yeah, her kill buff
stuck copper
especially ibuki. ibuki is a fucking mvp hogger if she hits
wintry sonnet
sandy completely fails at being a facetank on ch12 btw
not only does she lose too much hp humping enemy botes
her skill alone steals mvp consistently
stuck copper
sandy kai is a great tank. nothing can protect her from her own stupidity though.
somber halo
on an unrelated note, yall ever have marshmellows in your candy before?
stuck copper
nothing hits her, so she rams into things
verbal obsidian
stuck copper
the only thing that's worse is pr louis with beaver
somber halo
juneau also likes to kill herself in pvp by ramming into things
wintry sonnet
not for me
she doesnt go to pvp period
I refuse the jesus meta
dont need anyone dying for my sins just to get some pvp points
somber halo
how about the mutsuki meta
stuck copper
juneau will be even nastier once DR ships hit pvp
stuck copper
not dev30
stuck copper
i expect that to take half a year
wintry sonnet
I barely got 1 ship to dev30 just in time for PR2
that said everyone else is at least dev20
stuck copper
i got four of them to dev30. one is 29, one 28
but DR is just way harder
they require 50% more prints
somber halo
without FS
stuck copper
it does not have FS
somber halo
damn
somber halo
imagine the amount of level 120 players by that time
stuck copper
wintry sonnet
this is what 5 cubes gets me
stuck copper
that is soooooo bad
somber halo
@frank ingot
stuck copper
probably the worst one i've ever seen
somber halo
wintry sonnet
bet you all my cubes I'll get more azuma prints out of it than I did from the 30 min one
frank ingot
??
flat palm
hallo
somber halo
look up
flat palm
lol
wintry sonnet
I am making a pledge right now
never to run a cube project
ever again
fuck this scam
stuck copper
to add insult to injury, they also cost a pretty hefty 5k coins
wintry sonnet
I'm calling it now
the 5k coin purple I'm running right now
for azuma
is gonna bring me like 3
somber halo
1 azuma print only
icy plume
I did a 12hr one and got nada
stuck copper
i only do those overnight
somber halo
/reminder 5 hours
icy plume
Got 2 Seattle and 1 kit from purple Seattle
somber halo
i'd rather run G-smol comms than D-mediums any day
icy plume
PR2 rates suck
somber halo
these rates have always been the same for PR
its only the introduction to DR that makes them look like they suck more
somber halo
yeah
wintry sonnet
so I have to make 14k in 2 days
somber halo
54 hours left
somber halo
not sure if i can make 10k for that last hibiki dupe
somber halo
but im at least getting a noshiro copy before i decide to give up
wintry sonnet
gfl spoiled me with autofarming
plan out the whole route, let the game do the whole thing
meanwhile in AL I gotta click every 5 seconds
click to move, click through results screen, click this, click that
ornate mantle
I think i'm just gonnaUH where's the button that lets me skip the battle button.
wintry sonnet
really hope that eventually danger level 0 becomes autopilot
ornate mantle
Honestly even with how good the Autobattle feature is in GFl, I just can't stick with the gameplay.
wintry sonnet
I kinda like the gameplay, its simple on the surface but it also has some gimmicks that are fun
like the kiting
but yea the autobattle is just genius and I wish more games did something like that
ornate mantle
Would be hard to do in AL since ships spawn randomly...
But, could probably make some variation of it.
Like.
wintry sonnet
could make it work like subs
make the fleet autoattack the closest nearby enemy
then make the 2nd fleet go for the boss when it spawns
ornate mantle
Would say you can just set a fleet as Mob and 1 as Boss.
wintry sonnet
it would still occasionally require an extra battle because of boss spawning behind shit, but it's a start
stuck copper
my comms might be crap, but some random-ass cube comm just gave me a whooping three of them. wtf?
somber halo
but in hard mode, sometimes the fleet roles are reversed
ornate mantle
And tell the Mob fleet to keep attacking until boss spawns.
wintry sonnet
I mean, the hard mode fleet is a design problem, not gameplay problem
ornate mantle
3 cubes? That's 1 Event roll Pog
wintry sonnet
you could easily make it so you can swap these two around
they just dont do it for whatever reason
somber halo
i see
wintry sonnet
mechanically speaking there's no reason why you couldn't make fleet 1 fleet 2 in hm
stuck copper
considering you tend to get 5 cubes from the 10h one, getting 3 from one that's way shorter is pretty dope
steep scarab
ivory dawn
who the fuck does cube analysis LUL
zinc dust
🤔
ornate mantle
You mean PR com cube analysis?
ivory dawn
I guess if you really need retrofit stuff
stuck copper
all the best ones cost cubes.
ornate mantle
10% on FDGs 2.4M
Starts about an hour ago.
Graf, Zeppy, and Bisko are gaining some excellent EXp.
stuck copper
you can argue all you want, they're objectively the best when it comes to "per hour" income.
wintry sonnet
oh yea, I could definitely tell
that shit I got from spending 5k coins and 5 cubes, objectively better than anything else I got
stuck copper
you cant tell me some 1:30h G project gives you three times that
lean yoke
Gold Basic Research for no expenses at all
wintry sonnet
I dont get how much you get at the end, I care about how much you have to invest
and what you get for the investment
and what I got from that 30min was objectively a waste of rsc
didnt even get any PR2 equipment prints
stuck copper
time is a resource
wintry sonnet
it was all vanilla shit
stuck copper
basically, they're letting you pick how fast you want to progress
pick the free option and it will take longer
wintry sonnet
I'd argue you waste more time doing the short ones, cause you have to come back more often to resend them. It's not like PR is time gated on projects
stuck copper
you'll wait at least 4 hours for the same result
wintry sonnet
and the rsc you throw into the short ones you could spend in about a tousand other places
steep scarab
@wintry sonnet you needmore core
ornate mantle
Considering the Short ones barely do better than the long ones, you can decide on one of two things.
wintry sonnet
never enough cores for anything
icy plume
8hr 8k coin ones are the best. Change my mind
steep scarab
farm 0-2 
ornate mantle
Are you willing to Sacrifice Resources for completing PR faster, or do you not mind completing PR later.
I'm not swimming in Resources, so I don't mind my PR botes being behind.
ornate mantle
I get your argument too.
But the point is... Are your Resources worth the time you save... because it's not worth the content.
wintry sonnet
the whole point of doing projects that guarantee specific ship prints
is to get specific ship prints
if I spend 5 cubes and 5k for 30 mins and all I get is one print for the said ship
then I'd argue that was an even bigger waste of time
not to mention waste of rsc
cause I could be running something else
stuck copper
even the 8hr 8k one usually gets you 2 of the DR prints you want
ornate mantle
The only difference is time.
stuck copper
and that's still a shitton of coins
wintry sonnet
yea and in the meantime I'm 5 cubes richer, which is another time investment
cause you then have to get those cubes back
ornate mantle
Yes. But if you're swimming in 1k+ cubes... it hardly makes a dent in the long term.
stuck copper
they should at least drop the coin requirement
ornate mantle
Which is why those cube comm suck ass for those with lower resources.
wintry sonnet
it's not even the case of having rsc to spend, it's about getting something out of the rsc you spent
if the reward is inadequate to the cost, then that makes it crap
somber halo
i think having 300+ cubes is enough to consider doing cube comms
icy plume
I wish there was the rigging analysis ones where you trade blueprints for guaranteed equipment drops like pr1
somber halo
PR1 has guaranteed equip drops?
wintry sonnet
if a guy with 100$ and a guy with a million dollars both throw 50$ into a toilet
then flush the watter
then yea, the 1 million guy is not gonna feel it as bad
icy plume
Yea if you trade in equipment blueprints
wintry sonnet
but they both wasted the same amount of money
even if the 1 million guy has some power toilet that slurps it out 3 seconds faster
ornate mantle
But that's the thing... We can all agree from the stand point of Cost Per Result... spending coins is a better investment than spending cubes... but that's not where the main draw is.
somber halo
well ya kno, aquan is still freshly mad because of recent events
ornate mantle
However, spending cubes generally gives you a com with less time needed to complete the comm which is better for the PR in the long run.
So it's "better" via the fact that you complete PR faster.
stuck copper
azu gets it
ornate mantle
But "worse" in the long run because the resources used are far greater with a marginally better to non result.
stuck copper
if you contrast those with the free ones, the difference is night and day
wintry sonnet
that's only and ONLY if you assume you're going for finishing all the PR ships
which isn't the reason why I pick specific projects for a specific ship
somber halo
for projects such as D and H-ULs, you're paying for the guarenteed 1 print, all the RNG that comes with it is all extra
ornate mantle
I mean, if you're not serious about PR the cube comms are hardly worth.
Which is the whole point here.
wintry sonnet
dude
seriously?
What does being serious have to do with the fact I spent 5 cubes and 5k coins on a specific ship project
and got only 1 print for that ship
somber halo
C-projects and G-projects dont even guarantee one print at all and you could possible get none
stuck copper
just
wintry sonnet
If I wasn't serious I'd just be doing the freebies, or the universals
stuck copper
dont do cubes ones anymore
ornate mantle
Because you shouldn't be spending those resources when time is the only beneficial factor.
I agree, the ones for cubes should be giving more though.
icy plume
Pr2 drop rates suck
wintry sonnet
and even the it's not
1 print out of 30min isn't gonna get me anywhere faster to getting azuma high up on dev level
ornate mantle
but it will.
somber halo
30 mins is no time at all
ornate mantle
if I get 1 Print from a 30 min... and you get 1 print from an 8 hour... the time it took for you to finish 1 print is the time it took for me to get like 8 or so.
BEcause the time saved allowed me to run more coms.
wintry sonnet
but you're still looking in the bubble of just spending time
and ignoring all the other costs
ornate mantle
But spending time if the only benefit.
somber halo
RNG is not a cost btw
wintry sonnet
and that's why they're shit
cause time is the only benefit
but the spoils aren't
ornate mantle
Well yes, no one here is saying it's great, lol. It just gives you more time to run more coms.
somber halo
aquan, you have to understand, you're paying for the guaranteed one print, you're not paying for the RNG
ornate mantle
That's why it's best for those who want to complete deving up their units to 30 ASAP.
wintry sonnet
I do understand that but that doesn't make them any less shit
ornate mantle
But it's a far steeper resource investment.
wintry sonnet
stuck copper
they're all shit
they either cost too many cubes, or they cost too many coins, or they take too long
ornate mantle
Cube coms are shit overall.
somber halo
then what can you do? just compare all the projects to a project that has a non-existent cost
stuck copper
pretty much DR-only
wintry sonnet
even for azuma I wouldn't spend 5 cubes just to get 1 print in 30 mins
you'd spend way more time trying to get those 5 cubes back
stuck copper
since regular PR ships don't need to finish faster
wintry sonnet
than you would just running any other azuma project
ornate mantle
I want Azuma to be fully developed ASAP.
somber halo
then just dont run cubes anymore
ornate mantle
So that's a cost I'm gonna have to live with.
somber halo
ez
ornate mantle
You didn't like Cal saying that the Cube coms are the best.
somber halo
you cant change everyone's opinion because everyone has different values on different resources
ornate mantle
And we're saying it's not the best for what you're thinking.
wintry sonnet
because they aren't the best
they're only the best if the only thing you care about is time
somber halo
thats just it
wintry sonnet
so yea in a hermetically sealed bubble where there's only 1 variable
somber halo
idk what else you're trying to say
somber halo
time is the only physical resource we cannot manipulate in this game
everything else can be solved by whaling
ornate mantle
If you're comparing the investment of resources into the comm... cube comes are in fact worse.
Because you're guaranteed 1 from each.
Whether you pay cubes or coins.
But the difference is that the cubes one can be finished in 30 min while the coins one can be finished in 2 hours more.
wintry sonnet
and again, keep in mind that the rsc you spend dont just drop from a tree
you have to spend time getting those too
so it's not just the project itself you should be looking at
icy plume
Or money
ornate mantle
But that's where the difference comes with a single questions... "How fast do you want PR done?"
Answering this determines if you're willing to allocate the resources or not.
Whether it was hard to get one or the other is irrelevant... because the end Goal is dependent on how much time you want to invest into PR.
wintry sonnet
it's not irrelevant when the original statement is "cube projects are the best"
icy plume
Idk what @wintry sonnet is arguing for
ornate mantle
They are the best depending on how you answered that Question.
ornate mantle
If you want them done FAST, then yes... if not, NO.
somber halo
you cant just look at time as a disposable resource either
wintry sonnet
again, cube PRs are best only as far as time's concerned and I'm sorry but time alone isn't good enough
stuck copper
they're expensive for a reason is what i'm saying
wintry sonnet
taking a cab is faster than going to buy a car and driving where you want
doesn't mean it's the best option for transport
ornate mantle
And that's fine... You're not rushing the PRs.
So Cube coms are a less worthwhile investment making them worse than a coins com.
stuck copper
but feel free to run G-412 and only get a single print if you prefer that
ornate mantle
That's not the case for someone rushing the PRs though.
wintry sonnet
but that automatically makes them not best
cause there are variables that make them not best
ornate mantle
Keep in mind those tier lists are working under the assumption someone is trying to complete PR asap.
wintry sonnet
I dont understand what's so contentious about this argument
somber halo
you're trying to pinpoint "best" somewhere but everything has a cost
stuck copper
to his defense, "the best" is based on time
ornate mantle
Yes.
stuck copper
they're the best because you finish faster if you keep running them
ornate mantle
I've said this.
somber halo
yes
ornate mantle
stuck copper
a lot faster
wintry sonnet
And I'm talking in general terms, taking into consideration multiple factors, they aren't the best
somber halo
but nothing is the best
why are you objectifying the best to your personal standards to everyone else?
ornate mantle
Depending on the speed you're completing PR, definitions change, yes.
wintry sonnet
but rsc cost, time spent and rewards aren't "subjective"
ornate mantle
Aqua is making a direct comparison between Input and Output values.
wintry sonnet
yes
stuck copper
the idea is to sort things by effectiveness, then let people select which ones they want to run based on their budget
ornate mantle
That is ONE way to look at PR coms though.
stuck copper
you cant say "this super powerful graphics card isnt the best because it's expensive". that's silly
somber halo
this is not the case unfortunately
ornate mantle
Because comparing Input vs. Output doesn't take into account the time investment of each one...
somber halo
because everyone has different values in different resources
wintry sonnet
how does it not take into account the time investment when that's literally what I've been arguing for for the past 20 minutes
ornate mantle
Also true... bringing up the old example... a guy with 1k cubes won't be nearly as inconvenienced as the guy paying from their 100 cubes count.
wintry sonnet
It's not just the time you spend doing the projects
it's also time you spend getting the resources you use on the project
stuck copper
that's why you should spend what you're fine with lol
ornate mantle
But if you're looking to complete PR ASAP, is the cost really a factor that matters?
wintry sonnet
yes, because you'll eventually run out of them anyway
and then you gonna have to use the freebie projects
ornate mantle
But that's inconsequental, You're completing PR faster.
The goal is still maintained.
wintry sonnet
which may turn even less fruitful than the coins only ones
ornate mantle
Your run out resources eventually whether it cubes or coins.
The whole mindset is "MUST COMPLETE PR FASTER".
That's it.
So those who want that goal could hardly care about the cost of resources allocated for the end.
Which is why cube comes who help reach that goal faster reign supreme with those folks.
And that's just it... Time to Reach goal is more important than Input vs. Output.
stuck copper
you wont be able to chain them all the time anyway
wintry sonnet
again I'm not arguing wheter they're the best for people who want to get PR done asap
I'm arguing over them being the best in general terms
ornate mantle
There is no best in general.
somber halo
there is no best
wintry sonnet
there are tho
somber halo
no
wintry sonnet
best in general means time + resources = what you get
somber halo
you're just forcing your own standards at this point
ornate mantle
There aren't though. There is a best in your case.
wintry sonnet
why are you trying to make numbers subjective
is 2+2 objectively or subjectively higher than 2+3
ornate mantle
if i get 8 DR comes in the time it takes for you to get 1.
I'd say my resources are well spent.
What you want to do is find the comm that Minimizes Cost and Maximizes Results... which is simple.
wintry sonnet
and if I get 4 DR when spending say 10k coins after 10 hours , while you get 10 after spending 50k coins, 50 cubes and 2,5h, then I'd say I came out on top