That game is expensive 
#avrora-general
warm bluff
cosmic pier
u can buy it anyway 
stuck copper
everything on switch is expensive
stuck copper
slaving away in the salt mines for papa nintendo
warm ice
Play Dragon Quest
wintry sonnet
it's complicated, ok
warm ice
wintry sonnet
ever since adpocalypse nintendo's not making enough money claiming youtube vids
they gotta make it back someway
wintry sonnet
que
cosmic pier
scrollup
cosmic pier
i didnt get either but then someone sent this in another chat
then I was like "oh"
cosmic pier
wintry sonnet
well this is nice
only 1 waifu in top 24
at least I have a clear pick of who to vote for
cosmic pier
- I dont remember every single pic we've snet each other
2)i p much just heard atelier ryza's name this week n all that and i didnt know anythin bout her when u sent 
stuck copper
10 runs done. time to have fun.
wintry sonnet
nobody right now
it's not gonna start till tomorrow
propably gonna be taihou tho 
if the qualifiers were anything to go by
stuck copper
Vote Essex
warm bluff
Woah that's a cute figure!
cosmic pier
stuck copper
cosmic pier
its an impostor
stuck copper
amagi gang rise up
cosmic pier
whoever we want 
stuck copper
vote for atago, or i will tell your mom that you lewd loli boats
gilded mural
N O
stuck copper
alright, one fbi coming up...
gilded mural
Honolulu or press the log out button
warm bluff
cosmic pier
call another fbi for ina
wintry sonnet
holy shit bethesda, seriously? 
cosmic pier
hm
stuck copper
no essex
wintry sonnet
Fallout 76 now has a yearly subscription
cosmic pier
wintry sonnet
nobody can manage to fuck it up constantly for years by accident
stuck copper
i heard they fired their creative guy and now it's only the business dude fucking things up because money
somber halo
warm bluff
wintry sonnet
with some premium currency on side
stuck copper
STONKS
stuck copper
stuck copper
who thought this was a good idea?
wintry sonnet
and it's pure garbo
stuck copper
it's like
wintry sonnet
literally just single player mode with premium currency month
not even decency to let you have all the premium shop shit
stuck copper
"we can't possibly get any worse" and then bethesda posts that picture to meme
on a side note
cosmic pier
i got a whole 'nother 11 days on my ffxiv sub 
stuck copper
SIEMKA KTO PL
wintry sonnet
kurwa
carmine coyote
Welcome to being poor Kawaa
dense wing
I would play with my bf, on cod, but hes miles better than me and I am disappointing
somber halo
how does such relations work out
dense wing
very few dollars a month
verbal obsidian
errant burrow
Bethesda making the big brain plays
wintry sonnet
big boi, big brain
stuck copper
they're just charging that because everybody else does, depsite the fact that it's worth 5 dollars, tops
wintry sonnet
hire me bethesda, I'll do your CEOing for you
for 90% less pay and 20000% better results
wintry sonnet
can't be this hard to get hired by them apparently cause it seems they've all just gone completely drunk and stoned
cosmic pier
wintry sonnet
stuck copper
they didnt hire anyone. it's one of the founders, afaik
tough burrow
I saw relevant pic somewhere, I'll try to find it
stuck copper
i watched a vid about it. allegedly it was two guys, and the business one kicked the other guy out, then things got worse
wintry sonnet
I mean seriously, what's the point
you might as well just buy fallout 4
why would you pay 100$ a year just to play 76 in single player when you can buy fallout 4 for like 15$ on sale
stuck copper
time to bioware that shit
warm ice
Guess it’s time to set sail.
stuck copper
buy obsidian titles instead. they're better anyway.
wintry sonnet
I'll give them credit tho
it's amazing how 76 released what, year ago?
and to this day we keep reading the news about how they fuck it up even further
stuck copper
that's professionals for you. they know the craft of fucking things up.
wintry sonnet
even Anthem went down quietly by now
stuck copper
if you barely make a game in the first place, you've got little to crash and burn with, i guess
tough burrow
I mean, game isn't as bad as it was at first, you should give them credit
they at least fixed some of the shit they shouldn't have done in the first place
wintry sonnet
speaking of fixing shit they shouldn't have done
can you still access the dev room
stuck copper
no idea, but they'll ban you if you do
tough burrow
remember when they limited carry weight because "servers couldn't handle all this stuff"
stuck copper
because their fault is your fault
tough burrow
or how they banned people over the dev room
stuck copper
or something
tough burrow
fun times
stuck copper
or the nylon bag. period.
wintry sonnet
or the "We only gonna sell cosmetics in our shop, unless we decide to start selling consumables because fuck it, we have no pride left"
tough burrow
eh, that one was arguably not entirely their fault, but whoever was handling production and distribution
errant burrow
Wasn't there that one story of a player who had an outrageous amount of time in the game (maybe the highest of all players) yet he still got banned?
wintry sonnet
he did
cause they decided to just randomly ban people as a solution
oh and let's not forget
500 words essay on how you're a naughty boy
to get your account unbanned
tough burrow
ye, that one was great
tough burrow
I like how people still harp on ea because some really stupid shit
stuck copper
"i got banned because your code is shit. words words words unban me words words"
wintry sonnet
I mean, EA is your moustache-twirling disney villain by now
tough burrow
are they tho?
wintry sonnet
bethesda is more like when your family comes over for christmas and uncle gets really really drunk
stuck copper
rockstar is just as bad, but they keep getting a free pass because GTA, RDR, blah blah
cosmic pier
name a good game/company in this time n age 
stuck copper
the fact that i have to think makes me sad
warm bluff
Hollow Knight/ team cherry is great
tough burrow
well, if you listen to reddit, it's cdpr
warm bluff
wintry sonnet
here's why I'd say EA is worse then Bethesda, Bethesda's fuck ups are at the least comedic, at least to those who watch from the sidelines
EA's "surprise mechanics" meanwhile makes me want to punch random people on the streets
tough burrow
I mean, if we being serious
bethesda shit is more serious to people who AREN'T watching from sidelines
which is more kmportant imo
tough burrow
how much it actually affects people
wintry sonnet
then again it's not like EA doesnt have its bit of doxxing
tough burrow
also
oh noes lutbockses
wintry sonnet
didnt they have an incident with fifa recently
tough burrow
wintry sonnet
with leaking information
tough burrow
haven't heard about it, but I don't follow news that much
tough burrow
fifa pro gamers
ok
warm bluff
Loot boxes are predatory and prey on customers who don't have self control 
tough burrow
loot boxes is kinda necessary evil
tough burrow
well, necessary in big fucking quotation marks
wintry sonnet
if they had loot boxes and the game was free to play, sure, I mean I dont like it, but it's acceptable
tough burrow
since they can not be if games stopped inflating its budgets
warm bluff
For phone games loot boxes are kinda understandable since people don't want to pay $0.99 for an app
wintry sonnet
lootboxes on top of paying 60$ is a bit overzealous
sorry, 100$
60$ gets you the trial version
warm bluff
But for full price games it's pretty bs
tough burrow
games don't cost 100$ and if they did - people won't buy it unless it's really fucking good
cosmic pier
tough burrow
but they cost WAY more to produce than that now
stuck copper
boring, smelly standard edition: 60 dollars
nice, shiny, extra bonus edition: 100 dollars
wintry sonnet
production costs are actually down for video games in general
wintry sonnet
at least in EA's case they haven't upped their production costs per game
warm bluff
Hollow Knight has like 60 hrs of content (for noobs like me) and it only costs $15
wintry sonnet
they just went more heavily into monetizing
stuck copper
i know some games, like battlefront, had roughly half the team consist of artists, just to make it look nice
warm bluff
And team cherry seems to be doing pretty well
stuck copper
they spend a lot of money on the visuals these days
tough burrow
I don't think indie devs really applicable here
wintry sonnet
Let's be fair tho, it was a star wars game
warm bluff
wintry sonnet
it would've made money regardless
stuck copper
as good as hollow knight may be, it doesn't come close to the same visual fidelity
verbal obsidian
al runs on loot box functionality
tough burrow
I just checked their website
team cherry is like 3 people
verbal obsidian
if they didnt, we wouldnt have a game
warm bluff
warm bluff
For phone games loot boxes are still predatory, but devs need to eat and people aren't willing to pay for apps so AL's monetization scheme makes sense
cosmic pier
al's monetization scheme is cute! 
verbal obsidian
predatory
stuck copper
aren't you just trying to rationalize it tho?
cosmic pier
week cuck?
wintry sonnet
I mean I'd assume the skins alone are good enough to make money
since that's what people mostly spend on
stuck copper
i mean, shit is shit, no matter the environment. sure, you can dung your field with it, but other than that...
wintry sonnet
outside of like a percentile of hyper whales, I doubt they make that much out of selling cubes
cosmic pier
just release stuff like formi/gneis skin and get em moneys coming in
warm bluff
I agree that loot boxes suck though
verbal obsidian
MOAR LOOT BOXES
somber halo
pay2lewd
cosmic pier
MOAR LOOT BOXES
stuck copper
not sure
i know they don't make a lot from me
but still more than other companies
wintry sonnet
which I'd rather the whole focus was just on stuff like expansions and skins
somber halo
loot boxes? more like lewd boxes
stuck copper
it's difficult. i'm always excited for pulls, but it's painful to watch people spend tons of money on them because they got unlucky.
wintry sonnet
heck, this might come off as unpopular opinion, but here it goes. I'd actually be fine with them just outright selling the ships
stuck copper
then you'd have limited-time ships sold for 5-15 dollars a pop. not sure the fomo is any better, tbh
somber halo
but that would cost more for direct buying
wintry sonnet
I mean, as an alternative, it's better than "Spend anywhere from 1$ to infinite $"
cosmic pier
just put a safety net shite and it's basically 'outright buying em' if they get unlucky
wintry sonnet
part of what I hate about AL's gacha is there's no spending ceiling
wintry sonnet
you can go anywhere from 0 to infinite to get the ship you want, purelyon basis of luck
verbal obsidian
FUCK YEAH
wintry sonnet
you look at something like GBF, you got the spark mechanic, 300 rolls and if you dont get what you want by then, you can just pick it up
warm bluff
Unfortunately the psychology of having multiple degrees of separation between real money and loot boxes currency ($$$->gems->cubes) is a pretty big factor for getting whales to whale
somber halo
or you could just be happy with what you have and appreciate
wintry sonnet
still fucking expensive, but at least there's a safeguard to how much you need to get what you want
stuck copper
which indirectly encourages you to spend enough to fill that bar
wintry sonnet
which you can fill in by just saving up, cause there's no separation of premium/free
so you can get the spark without paying a dime
you look at FGO, you still gotta pay for their guaranteed 5* servant gacha cause free quartz dont count
and even then you have to roll for a chance
stuck copper
it's a difficult topic. on one hand, there's lots of predatory stuff going on. on the other hand, most of it has been normalized in other industries.
trading cards are normal
ornate mantle
So it took me about 30 cubes for Smalley.
stuck copper
stores having sales is normal
warm bluff
stuck copper
surprise eggs are normal
wintry sonnet
if you're talking physical trading cards, imma let you finish
but you can sell those
ornate mantle
On the process of getting smalley I got Hatsushimo too.
wintry sonnet
it's an actual item you have
stuck copper
sure, but it's the same logic behind it
cosmic pier
warm bluff
Who else are you missing now?
stuck copper
so does it really matter what you're left with?
warm bluff
stuck copper
if the argument is about the manipulation, you kinda can't apply different standards, i think
that's why i find it very difficult
warm bluff
With physical trading cards it's even more like gambling since cards have resell value, you could argue that it's indirectly using money for a chance at a higher value thingy
stuck copper
exactly
wintry sonnet
Which is how lootboxes keep arguing they're not gambling
stuck copper
people buy packs to resell chase cards
wintry sonnet
cause "items have no value"
and you can't resell them
even tho they blatantly have value
cause y'know, people spend money on em
stuck copper
so either way, you have arguments for and against both
"this is shit because you can gamble" and "this is shit because it has no value"
wintry sonnet
honestly, the best I can say about lootboxes is that I can tolerate them in free to play games
stuck copper
i just try not to be too selective
wintry sonnet
I dont like them, but I can tolerate them under that condition
the second you make me pay for something up front, far as I'm concerned I'm entitled to everything that's in it
stuck copper
i like randomized stuff. i just think they shouldn't be allowed to exploit people with them
but then again
like i said
where do you draw the line?
wintry sonnet
I think the main issue is that the randomization is the foundation
stuck copper
MTG would go bust
wintry sonnet
the gameplay's built around the monetization, instead of the opposite
that's how most of these games are designed
if they first made a good game, then did the monetization, most people would propably let it go
cosmic pier
verbal obsidian
its your choice to buy into it, their game is a product they can do what they want
wintry sonnet
that explains why whales are usually less than 1% of any of those games
only the 1% of the elites can afford to spend on them
warm bluff
I'm poor, i can't afford loot boxes
wintry sonnet
I mean it wasn't whaling per se
I just used the gems I'd use on skins to buy the cube pack cause the game wanted to be a dick like that
cosmic pier
i meant ina
wintry sonnet
so the end point is I haven't spent more than I would've
wintry sonnet
maybe
depends if we'll get bombarded with more limited shit in the upcoming 2 weeks
wintry sonnet
right now Erebus and Gneiss are on my radar
and they'd fit within my 15$ a month budget
stuck copper
"don't buy it" is not a valid argument when the main complaint focuses on people who can't make that decision due to a disorder or somethin
most normal people don't spend thousands on a gacha, unless they have so much money they don't care
warm bluff
stuck copper
but like i said, there are tons of other things you can buy in the real world
you can go out and spend thousands on canned beans if you want
warm bluff
wintry sonnet
sure, but you usually dont have canned beans shoving themselves in your face with flashy lights
and limited availability
stuck copper
correct
wintry sonnet
and the whole fomo
there's a reason all the gachas are designed the way they are
it's all based on mental conditioning
heck, why do you think "defaults" is a thing in fortnite
wintry sonnet
tho it's not like epic games doesnt want that to be a thing
they're counting on it
stuck copper
true
wintry sonnet
there was this one expose on monetization and how a developer should strive to make spending money an acceptable norm
tho honestly I dont even have an issue per se with that
as long as the game's rewarding on its own, I'll throw some money at it, np
unless it starts actively pursuing my wallet, at which point it risks making me close my wallet for good
that's how FEH got me to quit
stuck copper
they want you to be a dumb cow
verbal obsidian
yeah aran is a dumb cow
stuck copper
so all they have to do is milk you while you stand around farting and eating grass
verbal obsidian
so all they have to do is milk you while you stand around farting and eating grass
damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
stuck copper
just give them your credit card info and they'll take it without you having to do anything
wintry sonnet
you know, it's times like this where I miss the monthly subscription models
pay monthly, get access to everything
kinda like how Fallout 76 tried to do it but failed badly
and that's how we got around back to bethesda
verbal obsidian
🐮
stuck copper
"we see you have money on your bank account. that means you're not supporting businesses. can't have that. confiscated."
verbal obsidian
blade and soul told me a montly subscription woud get me everything, then they made specific gems/ cosmetics/ and future upgrade material locked behind whaling
unless i wanted to wait half a year
wintry sonnet
"Here's some pixels that you could technically get at any point in time, but we're just gonna make it available for 1 week out of a year, because internet is obviously finite and we dont want to run out"
stuck copper
imagine paying artists to make something nice just to not sell it 95% of the year
wintry sonnet
and by the time it gets back, there'll propably be another skin
and you'll end up getting that one instead
verbal obsidian
1 + x / -b +/- 7 times 42
stuck copper
if i didn't lewd my wife for a whole month, she'd have every right to divorce me
"not working as advertized"
verbal obsidian
wait but that fits right in with the challenge
so u gonna lewd her 90 times
in one month
stuck copper
it does? i thought it was no nut november
verbal obsidian
NINETY-NUT NOVEMBER
warm bluff
Lewd! 
stuck copper
it's just like the rest of the year
cosmic pier
horsequan
wintry sonnet
we might be getting too much into specifics now
cosmic pier
uniquan
cosmic pier
what are hep titis
wintry sonnet
it's when your liver don't work
cosmic pier
what if she wants control over the whole world
stuck copper
cosmic pier
me reading all the stuff that was being said a while ago
yey finally caught up with the mango again
time to let them release another 20 chaps then pick back up
🍪
cosmic pier
i like letting em gather a bit then reading
instead of just read as they come and then read more 
i need to pray vpn works to even be able to refresh and download new chaps
life is fun yno
cosmic pier
i read on hakuneko 
stuck copper
they bamboozled everyone
wintry sonnet
wdym mangarock shut down
ornate mantle
Ye
wintry sonnet
works fine here
stuck copper
pretty sure i downloaded the apk and it got changed to mangareader after i updated
ornate mantle
God, Kaguya-sama... I’m all for || Iino and Ishigami as a pair... I’m just sad Tsubame is in the way!||
ornate mantle
Ye
warm bluff
heavy whale
Imagine being mangarock
cosmic pier
imagine being lila
heavy whale
Imagine changing your name every day
cosmic pier
people do that?
rich gazelle
stuck copper
it's called "trade license", and it's in the game
except you get everything without having to work for it
tough burrow
without having to work for it
that's kinda half the fun tho
also ALs trade license is just gimped monthly gem card
but without gems
and with some shitty resources you don't need anyway
cosmic pier
I mean you technically dont 'have to work for it' in hi3 either, its just doing the dailies
stuck copper
imho battle passes are scummy
you pay for stuff you may or may not get
so the fomo keeps you playing
tough burrow
stuck copper
you're really just creating your own problem
cosmic pier
well the first set of it is free (the others aint tho )
tough burrow
- I'l playing this shit everyday anyway
- No, you will get stuff
cosmic pier
res if you upgroot bp do you still get previous rewards or nein
tough burrow
ye
cosmic pier
hax
tough burrow
Dunno about other games, but in Honk it's pretty easy to get all rewards just by... doing daily minimum you doing anyway
stuck copper
free tracks are nice, but premium tracks are just dumb, imho. i said why.
tough burrow
and considering BP lasts for 2 months (roughly) - it's 5$ a month
which is completely fine to me
cosmic pier
i mean, technically, if you're buying one, randomass technical issues happening and not allowing you to play, you atleast have a mind to claim most if not all of it
5$ a month is a bunch
i just bought steins gate the other day on sale and my mom almost killed me already
stuck copper
i'm just not willing to pay for something i may or may not get. same reason i don't pay for gacha.
stuck copper
imagine going to the store and you pay for a banana, but sometimes you don't get a banana, or they ask you to mop the floor.
stuck copper
maybe i'm old-fashioned, but it's not for me
tough burrow
also nonsensical
heavy whale
stuck copper
it's not supposed to. it's supposed to be ridiculous
stuck copper
how you fell about that is how i feel about battle passes
i'm not saying they're similar
heavy whale
Battle passes are better than lootboxes, that's all I can say
tough burrow
It depends how you make BP
tough burrow
I like how it works in Honk where it's easy to get all the stuff as long as you're reasonably active
stuck copper
it's not about being right or wrong, or making sense. it's about conveying a feeling
tough burrow
but in something like Apex - it's fucking awful
stuck copper
if you enjoy that stuff, enjoy it. not my problem.
tough burrow
you need to play it literally all the time non-stop to get it
heavy whale
R6 battle pass
stuck copper
though i get every game is different
stuck copper
because usually the treadmill is free, to keep you playing
tough burrow
since last reward is lvl 50
stuck copper
and you pay with your time
heavy whale
cosmic pier
guess i was lookin at paladin bp for the 20$
tough burrow
I'm on the treadmill already, so I would like to get stuff for being on one as well
stuck copper
nothing wrong with that
tough burrow
also - my biggest pull in HI BP was this
warm bluff
Monthly purchases are expensive
tough burrow
you still get some for free
heavy whale
🐋
tough burrow
well that's you being dumb
cosmic pier
no u
tough burrow
yes u
tough burrow
we finally agree on smth
tough burrow
stuck copper
that came out of nowhere
tough burrow
it's true tho
heavy whale
RKO FROM OUTTA NOWHERE
tough burrow
heavy whale
Cute
heavy whale
Sad!
tough burrow
I don't care enough
cosmic pier
bout
cosmic pier
i bought a few off elite works 
alongside the focus cards
tough burrow
cosmic pier
literally popped em all on seele 
tough burrow
warm bluff
heavy whale
cosmic pier
whel
tough burrow
warm bluff
Is that $30k or is that in game currency? 
tough burrow
not a whel
tough burrow
also they giving bunch of tix soon
she's kinda overshadowed at this point
tho still really good
cosmic pier
its ok its perm
tough burrow
ye
tough burrow
p sure I'm way lower than 600 logins lol
not 100% certain I even have 300, tho I should
tough burrow
close
cosmic pier
close to 0
tough burrow
cosmic pier
literally all seele frags I have have been from that one shop
and deep frags
this one
still no blood dance or judah
tough burrow
blood rose
heavy whale
stuck copper
Is blood dance not a supp weapon anymore? You used to be able to use it on any himeko for the active
It's goods for elemental teams iirc
stuck copper
Did they buff br b.c she was pretty bad when I last played
cosmic pier
wat
how is getting honkai cubes
bein a luccsacc
@stuck copper I dunno and i dont really care i just see stuff I like and I use em 
even if they garbo
dam nice stuff
warm bluff
warm ice
warm bluff
warm ice
warm bluff
ornate mantle
warm bluff
warm ice
solar fjord
ornate mantle
Eye candy that is.
gilded mural
i can buy the warspite dupe from the medal shop and save it for her retro
ornate mantle
warm bluff
clear gate
Mikasa appeared so I'm good now
stuck copper
I don't have Mikasa yet
clear gate
Rip
stuck copper
stuck copper
Not great
cosmic pier
amoozin
warm bluff
gilded mural
she just hates me
hollow oak
My hiei
rich gazelle
errant burrow
Big boi depressed time when NEET girl doesn't come home after all your SQ is eaten up
cosmic pier
what's an okki
stuck copper
:thonk:
cosmic pier
round grove
@errant burrow That's possibly the most degen thing I've ever seen you say
dense wing
exactly
🍏 !
though, I am the least degen person you will ever meet
so you’re not missing much with me
round grove
Like I told you earlier this week: You are a liar and I don't believe you
dense wing
no proof
cosmic pier
no one in this channel is to be trusted
kawa has a bf and that's like highest level of being lewd already
stuck copper
not even married smh
round grove
I bet they've held hands
warm bluff
I'm the most pure 
cosmic pier
stuck copper
you own dakis. you can't be pure.
round grove
Now that is a lie
dense wing
my mans does not like his hand being held 
stuck copper
I've held hands
dense wing
he is not into romance
cosmic pier
he's only into irl lolis 
dense wing
or “romantic gestures”
dense wing
cosmic pier
too close for comfort
stuck copper
i like holding hands
cosmic pier
dense wing
I think he will come around eventually
stuck copper
so everyone knows it's my woman haha
dense wing
lul
stuck copper
nah, it's just nice
dense wing
I think its the small little gestures that are nice
cosmic pier
cal just likes t posing while holding hands
dense wing
we do match icons, that is something for us
cosmic pier
gay
dense wing
thats also why I rarely change my icon nowadays
cosmic pier
stuck copper
our discord accounts are separate
stuck copper
I only have 2
dense wing
I have 2, one for main, and one for testing my server
dense wing
perv
stuck copper
i don't want people on certain servers to know some of my other accounts. gotta keep em separate.
dense wing
sus
stuck copper
it's a trash account
dense wing
I dont think I have anything to hide
stuck copper
that i can discard as i please
dense wing
warm bluff
I only have one nick 
cosmic pier
i try keeping entertainment and business separate
hence 2 actives
the 3 extra are special special cases
stuck copper
probably "business" accounts that you use to scam people with
stuck copper
"hello. i am nigerian prince. please help me get my 10 million dollars by sending me 100 dollrars"
cosmic pier
"ok bye"
ornate mantle
I’m a Nigerian bum. Help me become not poor.
warm bluff
Scamming people on discord?
warm bluff
Help me not be poor too
cosmic pier
nice 'flex'
ornate mantle
Ayyyyyyyyeeeee Yue
cosmic pier
warm bluff
That figure is expensive
ornate mantle
Shia and Tia are better though.
cosmic pier
dont fuck the right
stuck copper
nendos are always pricey. that's why you can find counterfeits everywhere
ornate mantle
I won a Yue wall scroll at AX two years ago.
ornate mantle
My wallscroll is legit too.
stuck copper
never bought knockoffs
just reminded me of my shopping trip through hong kong. you really need to know what to look out for or you get scammed.
ornate mantle
Won it from the official publishers panel at AX
warm bluff
Rich people buying figures and stuff
cosmic pier
u shush