avrora-general

[stuck copper]

didn't they just spread out the food rewards?

[sour crescent]

I am a living salt, I don't need to get triggered

[stuck copper]

like, you get extra cola by burning oil now

[dense wing]

I do because I never grind, but a good 50% of the population in AL does

[stuck copper]

you also get oil for killing stuff, which means you could buy more food

[desert harness]

I like that there are 2 10% foods now

[stuck copper]

i didn't do the math, but doesn't it seem fine?

someone use their brains. i just got out of bed.

[cosmic pier]

brain

what's that

is it delicious

[dense wing]

brain is actually toxic to humans

[sour crescent]

High brain, I am big brain

You are small brain

[dense wing]

I am small thus my brain is correspondent

[sour crescent]

Welp the work I was going to do has been taken off of the server at work and the person that has it on their PC has gone to a client for the day

I have nothing to do for several hours now

[cosmic pier]

just use your big brain and use their pc with your brain power

[ornate mantle]

[cosmic pier]

[sour crescent]

Well I say PC I mean Laptop, they have their Laptop with them

I physically can not access the documents

[cosmic pier]

like I said

reach out to it with your brain waves

your big brain must have such powers

[sour crescent]

I mean just because I have Doesn't mean I have OMEGA BRAIN

Only Omega Brain can reach out with Brain waves

This is simple Brain lore

[cosmic pier]

damn

[sour crescent]

5 more levels

REEEE

[ornate mantle]

[sour crescent]

[ornate mantle]

So.

4500 coins per Elite MLB.

14000 per SSR.

[frank ingot]

its cheap

[ornate mantle]

2600 per Rare.

calc 4500 * 3

.calc 4500 *3

[frail mulch]

⚙ Result

13500

[frank ingot]

13500+28000+3600

45100

just mental math it

[ornate mantle]

Yeah.

too lazy.

[frank ingot]

but its mental math

[ornate mantle]

Anyways, I guess I'll just MLB everyone tomorrow.

[frank ingot]

theres nothing active about it

[ornate mantle]

but I'm lazy at 1 am.

[sour crescent]

I honestly don't see a benefit of the chat icon border if you never speak in the in game chat tbh

So I am just LB'in the girls I use and like and that's all

[ornate mantle]

It go into in-game every now and then.

[frank ingot]

well you should use the in game chat then

[ornate mantle]

I wanna see my Deutschland with the Ironblood border.

[sour crescent]

That sounds like too much effort

[ornate mantle]

"using in game chat."

[frank ingot]

i mean its also a border for guilds/friends list

[ornate mantle]

[frank ingot]

thats like you saying

i dont get the point in the medals in academy

you just hang them up on your profile to look nice

[ornate mantle]

It's all cosmetics.

Either you want or don't.

[frank ingot]

WOAH

[ornate mantle]

[frank ingot]

YOU CAN DM PEOPLE NOW

[sour crescent]

Exactly

[frank ingot]

🐌

[sour crescent]

[ornate mantle]

You could always do that.

[frank ingot]

o-oh

[ornate mantle]

[frank ingot]

[sour crescent]

Pretty sure you always could

[ornate mantle]

[sour crescent]

[ornate mantle]

I'm gonna try drawing emojis from my favorite IP.

[cosmic pier]

ay

you can get all the 3 daily cubes from sortieing at once just doing daily hm runs just so aquan wont cry bout having to come outta daily after doing 1 just to claim the missions

which is totally pointless

scrub

[sour crescent]

Collect All button is great

New best friend

[ornate mantle]

[sour crescent]

[cosmic pier]

damn

someone went nuts over me praising their power to spam 1-1 to oath day 1

[frank ingot]

[sour crescent]

Imagine spamming 1:1 instead of being optimal and using 3:1 or 1:3 for next PR girl

[frank ingot]

3:1 isn't optimal though

MVP Flag is 3x, rest is 1x

[cosmic pier]

I dont approve of day 1 oaths

[frank ingot]

deploy 3 BBs for 5x or 1 BB for 3x

[cosmic pier]

atleast do it day 2 kappa

[sour crescent]

If the flagship is guaranteed to get MVP then you may as well use 2x level 1 girls to lower cost and go 3:1

[frank ingot]

yeah if you do lower maps

i guess

you just die in D3

[sour crescent]

Why would I do D3

[frank ingot]

why not

60k general BP isn't gonna farm itself

[sour crescent]

Its a shit map that needs very specific shit

I aint farming 60k fucking points

[frank ingot]

requires

1 BB + 1 CA
1 BB or CV + 1 CL + 1 DD for boss

throw on 2 oxy torps and rainbow torp and you have your 1k

[cosmic pier]

"for boss"

I mean

[stuck copper]

guess what all the PRs require. BBs or cruisers.

[cosmic pier]

you can use either fleet

the reqs are pretty flexible

[frank ingot]

perfect map

[stuck copper]

i agree. it's a great map.

[cosmic pier]

but people just gotta go angery over "ono this has specific slot"

"ono map has CA req set in and I totally cant use a CA for nep/sanru/roon"

[sour crescent]

I mean I have everything to fill requirements

I am just not gonna throw level 1's in to it

We were on the topic of spamming for affinity

not XP

I joked about using 3:1 or 1:3

[frank ingot]

for next pr girl

[cosmic pier]

waitwat

[sour crescent]

as being "Optimal"

[frank ingot]

[cosmic pier]

thought y'all were fiting over d3 exp and stuff

[stuck copper]

you yourself mentioned PR

[sour crescent]

Yes as part of the joke

[cosmic pier]

visible confusion noises

[sour crescent]

Its a bad joke

[stuck copper]

noted

[sour crescent]

Its a bad joke

[frank ingot]

its such a good map to grind on

[sour crescent]

Yes if you are using high levelled girls. If you are using a level 1 Neptune or Monarch you aren't going to throw them to D3

[frank ingot]

you can get away with running a solo BB lv 80 if you auto and watch what you kill

[ornate mantle]

[sour crescent]

Day 1 oaths require usage from level 1 so you may as well get some bonus XP for PR, that is the point I was making

[stuck copper]

i do 1:2

[frank ingot]

i mean i used bismarck from lv 1

[sour crescent]

But you didn't start in D3

[stuck copper]

i feel it's a decent balance between points and PR exp

[sour crescent]

That is what I am saying

[frank ingot]

all 5 1st floor dorm slots was reserved for the other 5

D3 doesn't exist for day 1

[sour crescent]

Once they are high enough sure you can use her there

But not from level 1

[frank ingot]

you can't even D3 day 1?

came out 26 hours after bis release...

[cosmic pier]

rofl

[sour crescent]

You're missing the point

[frank ingot]

i have no idea if you're arguing about PR exp or oath

[sour crescent]

OATH

[cosmic pier]

guy a while ago: I got 8 extra rings but not gonna oath beyond 1 cuz Im loyal
now: Im oathing beyond 1 cuz new UI and oathing screens made me take back what I said

[sour crescent]

When day 1 oathing you may as well use 1:3 or 3:1 to get extra xp for a PR boat

Is that specific enough for you?

[frank ingot]

dont you get like

10 exp for ch 1 oath farming

its not even significant

[sour crescent]

Bruh

From level 1 you can go straight in to chapter 3 andd 4

I have done it

[frank ingot]

point of oath farming is 1:1 so you can run into ambush tile repeatedly

ambush -> left -> right -> ambush

[sour crescent]

But that is fucking boring, if you are gonna oath the girl you may as well level her up as well

[ornate mantle]

Guess it just depends on what you're priority is.

Oathing, or getting more out of it.

[stuck copper]

@cosmic pier don't tell people they're getting 10 less merit per day

or do

[ornate mantle]

[cosmic pier]

people go through anything just to flex their "love" for the bote @sour crescent

read: their love to flex

[frank ingot]

if you're day 1 oathing

why would you spend extra hour or two doing that

[sour crescent]

Because you can get the girl you are going to use some decent XP and make her more usable

[stuck copper]

i guess you could save oil by grinding her affection while her oil cost is still low, then dorm her forever until she hits 110

[cosmic pier]

Im in the "take time before oath" club instead of the "rush it day 1 lololol just to flex" one

[sour crescent]

Oil is so easy to come by

[ornate mantle]

When it comes to PR though does that actually matter at level 1-60?

[sour crescent]

Why would you care to save oil

[ornate mantle]

Because of the Dev Levels.

[stuck copper]

i am not doing that. it's just what came to mind.

[cosmic pier]

imagine seeing a girl irl, sending her to fight all over the day and then marrying her at the end of the day

[frank ingot]

cause i just burned 40k oil in 3 days

[stuck copper]

i just grind high-level maps lmao

[frank ingot]

and i'd have half my event points if i didn't care

[sour crescent]

That sounds like a you problem

[frank ingot]

then don't ask me why i would care to save oil

wtf?

[ornate mantle]

[sour crescent]

I wasn't even referencing anyone specific it was a blanket comment to what Caldaria said

[stuck copper]

yeah. i wasn't trying to argue either.

[ornate mantle]

[sour crescent]

Did I say "Food, why do you want to save oil"

[cosmic pier]

[ornate mantle]

[stuck copper]

man, why is there no fucking food in exchange?

[sour crescent]

Bruh I need more food

I have like 0

[cosmic pier]

fucking food is hard to come by

[ornate mantle]

@frank ingot : why aren't you in exchange goddamit.

[frank ingot]

maybe dump your excess oil in dorm food then

[ornate mantle]

Implying i have excess.

[stuck copper]

it's been ages

[cosmic pier]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/579237322063609857/581782974434115615/Screenshot_20190525-110451.png

commit that

[sour crescent]

I don't even have 25k oil

Otherwise sure

[stuck copper]

i can't afford that. i'm actually playing the game.

[sour crescent]

^

[ornate mantle]

I gotta burn through all my premium food first.

I still have 200+ of it to go.

[sour crescent]

You're a premium food

[ornate mantle]

@sour crescent

[sour crescent]

Welp KGV needs like 20 Affinity

Time to take Nep's gun away

[cosmic pier]

@stuck copper play the game without using oil

kill the enemies yourself

[stuck copper]

i have a stick, but the game won't let me use it

[sour crescent]

If I could save oil by killing them myself I would

Also after Oathing KGV I am saving oil to get the 500 curries

[cosmic pier]

it requires a while of not playin the game

which I did on jp

then commited doing the same on en

[sour crescent]

I mean its like 10 days of Oil comms

[stuck copper]

[sour crescent]

Not that long

[oblique mantle]

this is why we don't use chat room in english gen

[ornate mantle]

EN chat rooms

[solar fjord]

[sour crescent]

I've sent maybe 4 messages in the chat in game and it was always the judgemental Sheffi one

[frank ingot]

that sounds like a you problem

[cosmic pier]

you sound like a you problem

[solar fjord]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/538528245117747211/despise.gif

[sour crescent]

Exactly that

[steep scarab]

[solar fjord]

[sour crescent]

I'm burning oil to keep warm rn

[cosmic pier]

hi out of oil

Im rei

just buy more oil

[sour crescent]

Hi Rei I'm burning oil to keep warm rn

[solar fjord]

10k oil somehow

[cosmic pier]

wont be surprised if rando is crying bout lack of oil without getting the oil from exchange

[sour crescent]

Well then you're turbo fucked

Which could be a bad thing, or a good thing, I won't judge

[cosmic pier]

well he's an omegawhale so its good for him

[frank ingot]

wait

[stuck copper]

that's some good shit

[pearl abyss]

[sour crescent]

Since when has she had little blue neon triangles on her skirt

[cosmic pier]

forever?

[sour crescent]

Never noticed it

Guess I am doing iBucky now

[verbal obsidian]

[sour crescent]

[frank ingot]

[lone sinew]

[sour crescent]

Sup Sharko

[solar fjord]

[lone sinew]

Hi

Tmw doing D0 is easier then D3

[sour crescent]

I'm just doing B3 to level up KGV and Nep

[solar fjord]

safe mode D3 easy level for em

[lone sinew]

Ppl say that the blackhole bisko puts down is annoying

just use lusty & unicorn

[solar fjord]

[cosmic pier]

pff

having to use lusty and unicorn

normie way

[lone sinew]

[cosmic pier]

just stay in the blackhole and kill her anyway

[lone sinew]

[solar fjord]

[lone sinew]

would be easy if airstrikes removed the blackhole

Also

the EX node after D0

do you get tokens from that?

[cosmic pier]

no

you only get bans from that

[solar fjord]

3 second bans?

[cosmic pier]

hey I managed to get 1 second mutsuki last time

[frank ingot]

send help

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480164455120896000/582517687234854912/unknown.png https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/480164455120896000/582517734508855296/unknown.png

[sour crescent]

Maximum of 1710 oil

If you max roll it all

[long perch]

[steep scarab]

👀

[frank ingot]

@steep scarab

[cosmic pier]

[flat palm]

lvl 90 and dev15 monarch stealing mvp from lvl 110 cruisers

[lament flower]

[flat palm]

she even has a toolbox and fire supressor as aux

monarch is op

[timber vortex]

or you have crappy cruisers

[flat palm]

not really

cleveland, portlandkai and a 110 200affin honolulu

Monarch is just nuts

she drops low against sirens so she gets like an absurd amount of reload

and her barrage clears everything in a thanos snap

[timber vortex]

nice, glad im workin on her next

[sour crescent]

Why do enemies on D3 have to hurt so much

[clear gate]

Just get to clearing mode and you'll be a-ok

[sour crescent]

Not even that

It just hurts

[stuck copper]

the d2 reqs are so high

fleets cost so much

and im not even on d3 yet

[sour crescent]

I did D2 with 2 <40 oil fleets

Its not that bad

[stuck copper]

of cours

i have a 60 and 70

[sour crescent]

The only shit thing is the ASW

[stuck copper]

and thats just barely passing the reqs

[cosmic pier]

the d2 maps in like all events got the worst reqs

better than it being d3

[flat palm]

my fleet costs 45 oil

my saint louis 2m is gonna take a while

[stuck copper]

:/

[flat palm]

at this cost

[cosmic pier]

on last kms event d2 needed like 2.7k AA

literally just stack USS cruisers

[stuck copper]

these events always show me how shitty my fleets actually are

so inefficient

[cosmic pier]

you can ask me and I can tell you that anytime

[stuck copper]

but when i ask you i never know if its actually stats or just rei being a bitch :^)

[cosmic pier]

Im usually serious if directly asked questions

[stuck copper]

ahuh

[cosmic pier]

and gasp helpful

but other times no

[stuck copper]

what does asw stand for

[cosmic pier]

anti sub

the w is warfare

[stuck copper]

ah

it was avi which screwed me the most

i kinda sleep on carriers

[sour crescent]

I have Akaga and Zeppelin maxed

That's it

[stuck copper]

man
my skill training backlog is ridiculous

[cosmic pier]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/514416483523362817/523100354376761344/Screenshot_20181214-150348.png?width=1051&height=591

kms or sth d2

[stuck copper]

i would spend a lot of gems on more slots

[cosmic pier]

nice reqs rite

[stuck copper]

3 is way too little

ringed akaga

old ui FeelsNostalgiaMan

fuck i have to go back to work

i just want today to end

[sour crescent]

Tfw Sheffi outdamages Hood

[timber vortex]

my frontline usually out damages my Van - even Enty cant keep up with Suffolk some times

[cosmic pier]

I had my akaga oathed before coming to any game discords n knowing they were meta n all

pro tip

vanguard = frontline

[clear gate]

Vanguard is frontline, yes

[timber vortex]

oops

[sour crescent]

My front line too out damages my frontline

[timber vortex]

they beat my main*

[clear gate]

It all depends on gear, the map you're farming, etc. etc.

levels

whatnot

[sour crescent]

Fully geared, D3

Hood as flagship

Sheffi did more DPS

[clear gate]

If you're killing stuff before the backline gets to fire off against a big mob, then naturally the frontline will be outdamaging

[sour crescent]

Not by much but still

Welp time for the triumphant return of Yuki, Nugget and Akashi

[clear gate]

That's why my solo Minny sometimes outperforms my Monarch-farming backline

[timber vortex]

on day 3 with my account frozen.. Feelsbadman

[sour crescent]

Atago exists in the fleet solely to meet requirements

[clear gate]

I use the boss fleet to meet requirements

if possible

[sour crescent]

I mean on the clear fleet

The CA

[clear gate]

Oh I see

[sour crescent]

Yea

[clear gate]

I'm farming Monarch, so I'm using Minneapolis + 3 HMS BB/BC

[timber vortex]

yeah that ends up as Indy or Port, since Suffolk is my boss fleet

[clear gate]

Repulse for the third backliner to bring oil cost down

[sour crescent]

I'm just clearing D3 atm

[clear gate]

I 3*ed it already, I'm just burning it down to safe for clearing mode

I got lucky RNG with mostly escort mobs

[sour crescent]

This run is my Defeat all enemyies run

[clear gate]

allowing me to roll through

Otherwise I would've optimized harder

but hey I'll take it

[sour crescent]

Like I am 5 fights in and My Yuki, Akashi, Nugget fleet is full HP (Not surprising at all)

[clear gate]

I was using a very baaaaad fleet for the "defeat all enemies" run

Underleveled, underpowered, low survivability

[sour crescent]

If this goes badly I'll just throw in Cleveland for good measure

Can never go wrong with Cleveland

And I mean if need be just bring Izumo in

Her barrage just devours this event

[clear gate]

Efficiency is not something I think about when running for 3*

[sour crescent]

Yea I getcha

[clear gate]

Echo dropped for me from D3, so for the first time since this event began, I'm back over 88% collection

Here's hoping for back over 90%

[sour crescent]

I've some how managed to go up in percentage compared to when I started the event

Before the event I mean

Was at 75.6% now at 77.3%

[clear gate]

Echo is a candy junkie, now I can make full candy junkie frontline. Guess what theme fleet I'll be running for PvP defense

[sour crescent]

Ark Royal solo back with Mutsuki, Uzuki and Echo

[clear gate]

Nah Ark is overdone for that kind of thing

but good guess

[sour crescent]

Momarch the new meme?

Or maybe KGV since she cooks and makes sweets

[clear gate]

also, Radford instead of Uzuki

Yah probably KGV

[sour crescent]

Nice

My KGV is like level 73

[clear gate]

I just got her, mine's barely leveled

[sour crescent]

She's pretty nice

Can I just say that considering Atago is dead on this comp I am just imagining them dragging her around through the water by a foot

[clear gate]

lol

You could just make her less dead with Beaver Badge + middle of vanguard

[sour crescent]

I did that

[clear gate]

since vanguard is in order of placement when you create the fleet

[sour crescent]

She just got blown up

[clear gate]

Oh

RIP Atago

[sour crescent]

Yep

She only has like 3900 HP

And no defensive skills

[clear gate]

It sucks when you have to fill a slot just for requirements knowing that that ship will not do well

[sour crescent]

Yep

Even though I have her oathed and love the shit out of her

I still don't like using her

I think I might get Yuki to 110

I really do like her

[clear gate]

Heavy cruisers are kind of wobbly without level 120

for the most part

110 does help some

[sour crescent]

110 and 200 Affinity on Akashi is a necessity on Akashi considering her Heal is based on her HP

But for something like Yuki its not as important

imo at least

Not bad considering the conditions

[clear gate]

Yah definitely not bad

I would've probably used a more optimized fleet like that for my 3* clear if I weren't also simultaneously grinding Monarch

[cosmic pier]

how much does 110 200 akashit heal

[sour crescent]

Yea, if I didn't get Nep on Friday I probably would still be using the Nep grind fleet

188 per ship

versus like 150

[clear gate]

Akashi heals "enough" most of the time

Definitely situations where I prefer her to Vestal

[cosmic pier]

mh just wondering how much is the difference between 100 and 200 lel

which doesnt seem to be much so eh

then again that's expected

[sour crescent]

I mean generally speaking I use Arizona and Akashi together

which is like overkill

And if need be just throw in Uni as well

[cosmic pier]

akashi is enough for all my needs most of the time

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/466250908682944522/582183013354307585/Screenshot_20190526-165703.png

she heals like 180ish

[clear gate]

I've said this already, but for those who missed Chessboard, having Scharnhorst and Gneisenau as drops in this event is nice

[sour crescent]

I need Gneis

[clear gate]

Just sooooo few KMS backliners smh

[sour crescent]

I didn't have the points for her in DC

[clear gate]

I got her from drop in Chessboard and didn't need to buy her

[cosmic pier]

I got both of em at 110 so pass

[sour crescent]

I never get lucky on Drop ships

400+ runs for Fiji and nothing

[solar fjord]

[clear gate]

I'd say I'm lucky for drop ships about 2/3rds of the time, e.g. I got PoW as a drop from her event within a few runs

[cosmic pier]

I got a pow dupe on the 3 day 'rerun'

[clear gate]

but then I spent almost the entirety of DC farming for Z46 and ultimately ended up just getting her from build

[cosmic pier]

[clear gate]

and I was a little salty about that lol

[sour crescent]

Also Rei I don't have maxed out gear on Akashi, so I don't have the ultimate level her heal can be

[clear gate]

The good news is that I got everyone from DC

in the end

so that was a good, if oil-costly event for me

[cosmic pier]

mh 3% on 6% extra aint gonna be that much of a grand amount anyway

[sour crescent]

I missed Gneis and Z35 from it

[cosmic pier]

she already heals enough

[sour crescent]

I know

Just clarifying

[clear gate]

I also so far have been 100% on the collab events

[sour crescent]

She gives AoE heal which is the big thing

I missed Nep event

[clear gate]

For most events, I miss a ship or two

Missed Washington, missed Shoukaku (until rerun), missed Atago and then didn't get her until earlier this month

Atago was just reaaaally bad for me

[sour crescent]

I whaled like 400 cubes on her release event

[clear gate]

There were so many opportunities to get her and I just... didn't

[sour crescent]

Never got her

Then like 300 cubes after the fact I eventually got her

It hurt my soul how much she didn't want to come home

[clear gate]

Also missed Tai Yuan from the chinabotes event

[sour crescent]

Missed Chang Chun

[clear gate]

Chang Chun was the one I wanted anyway. I'm disappointed for not having 100% on the event, but I'm not too torn up about it

[sour crescent]

I only wanted her too

[clear gate]

RIP

[sour crescent]

And low and behold I didn't get her

Then my luck turned around

[clear gate]

Oh, and I missed Ashigara. But Crimson Echoes was still a good event for me

[sour crescent]

WC was the turning point for my luck, first pulled Sirius and then got Dork from first pull on the exchange

Only ship I am missing from HMS in general is Fiji

Which hurts

[clear gate]

I got everyone from WC, that one was a great event for me

[stuck copper]

the only thing i'm missing are two story segments from moonlight overture.

i have every ship, but this bugs me

[clear gate]

lmao

[sour crescent]

Fiji is a champion

[clear gate]

🤔

[sour crescent]

I woulda oathed the shit out of her

[clear gate]

Well, maybe we'll get a Winter's Crown rerun

Though I guess the version we got was the CN/JP rerun

[sour crescent]

Mhm

[stuck copper]

been a while since november

[sour crescent]

FW rerun or Baguette botes is next event probably

[stuck copper]

oh, wait. that was fallen wings, right?

[sour crescent]

Yep

WC was this Feb/March

[stuck copper]

yeah, i remember wc being late

[sour crescent]

Atago is actually staying alive now

She heard me talking shit

Ironic to be using a squishy DD as the tank, but hey its Yuki

[clear gate]

Yukikaze will not sink except when she does

[stuck copper]

put two +10 boxes on her and she can tank for days

[sour crescent]

But then she does less than no damage

[clear gate]

+10 box + Pyoko-pyoko

That ribbon is surprisingly decent

[stuck copper]

don't have +10 pyoko

[sour crescent]

I have it but no levels on it

[stuck copper]

i maxed the chip though

8 speeeeeeeeeed

[clear gate]

I use it on my meme Crescent PvP build

as a form of compensation for her bad luck stat

[sour crescent]

I'm gonna put it on Erebus

[cosmic pier]

boiler is cheaper to max tho

nvm forgot the kizuna gear were cheaper for whatever reason

also the certificate

its fw gear upgrade costs all over again

[stuck copper]

kizuna gear is surprisingly useful

[clear gate]

The certificate is actually seriously important if you plan to run a Bisko fleet for mob clearing

[cosmic pier]

I keep reading it certificate of censorship

[sour crescent]

Its Bisko Censoring her Lewd Sub U-556

I just had a thought, you know how High Performance Fire Control Radar reduces load time of first volley by 15%

Do you think that stacks with KGV's skill

[clear gate]

Well, it's empirically testable

[sour crescent]

If it is additive the volley load time will be reduced by 90%

WHAT THE FUCK

Literally first shot going out in like 2-4 seconds

[clear gate]

HMS meta returns to PvP :3

[sour crescent]

Bruh

I don't even care for PVP but I would do that shit for the giggles

And then you run QE and also proc KGV's reload skill

Holy shit

Inb4 down to 1 second

[cosmic pier]

tfw its hot all around the week

and you manage to catch a cold

gg me

[sour crescent]

I got that last year and was sick for a month and a bit

[cosmic pier]

F

Im usually sick in one way or another all around the year

barely any break

[stuck copper]

that's not nice

[cosmic pier]

its ok Im used to it

[stuck copper]

[cosmic pier]

this game be like

[stuck copper]

I don't have time to be sick

[cosmic pier]

pow skill: unit with USS to increase self stats, red skill

kgv: increases damage against buncha nations, unit with few HMS botes for increased self stats, yellow skill

[stuck copper]

yellow is supposed to be support for fleet rite?

and red is self buff

[cosmic pier]

I mean, at the very least its nice that kgv's doesnt put more strain on red books

but its not exactly consistent lol

[stuck copper]

imagine having gold skillbooks

[cosmic pier]

hm

last i checked I had 1 t3 red, 190 ish t3 blues, and like 15 ish yellows

[stuck copper]

I never have over 10 of any of them at any time but despite that I still have precious few skills at lvl 10

how to English help

I still feel like I have no idea what ships are good or bad

or what and where and how to use them

[warm epoch]

What is a good bisko fleet?

I only got bisko, zeppy, graf, prinz, z23 and pretty much the other DDS

[clear gate]

Z1 + Z23 + Z46 frontline is always solid

Bismarck Zeppy Graf backline is fine

[warm epoch]

Thanks

Trying to make a good fleet when I get roon

Sigh.. the bps though

[cosmic pier]

z36 just shot up to like the top of my favourite Z fleet bote

then again I like like all of em

picking 3 is hard

[stuck copper]

i'll go with bismarck, tirp, z46, roon

[cosmic pier]

then you'll run out and use sth cheaper

[warm epoch]

I don't have tirp though..

[stuck copper]

graf is fine too. adds balance.

imho, 2:2 with bb, cv, dd, and a cruiser is the nicest

[cosmic pier]

ironblood got quite the variety of bote combos for how little amount of botes they got

well I guess they got some more than before rn

[warm epoch]

How long will EN research go before they add pr2?

1 year?

[stuck copper]

hard to say. probably

[cosmic pier]

they said it depends on how fast people progress with their prs

[flat palm]

I had to give monarch a shit weapon cause she kept taking mvp in D3 at lvl 93 against a full 110 vg

[warm epoch]

I now might have to whale for oil

[flat palm]

Her barrage oneshots both sirens in 3* fleets at lvl 90 already and dev 15

its kinda retarded lol

owell

i dont even want to see how much dmg her dev 30 does

probably filth

[warm epoch]

[sour crescent]

I feel the same for Izzi

Its great

[flat palm]

im torn wether to drop monarch for yama since she eats so much oil and mvps durin saint louis grind

but idk

[sour crescent]

I mean is Monarch oathed and stable where she is? (If yes then give her a break) if no then GRIND HARDER

[flat palm]

shes not even at 100 affinity

LUL

oh pog

got 25 gems from comission

[sour crescent]

Nice

[stuck copper]

where can I learn about stat numbers

[cosmic pier]

wiki?

[stuck copper]

does it have a guide?

[cosmic pier]

there's plenty of guides there

even a guide on what gear is safe to scrap

@steep scarab help this poor soul you wiki nerd

[sour crescent]

I saw that Trash

[stuck copper]

something like "for a cruiser y stat is usually around x, whereas for a DD y stat is usually z"

I can't find anything like that

[sour crescent]

I mean after playing the game enough you should be able to figure that out yourself

?

[stuck copper]

no??

[sour crescent]

In most cases the stats vary around the same average for each class

Like most DD's are between 1700 and 2200 HP

[stuck copper]

ok
I will make my own list when I get homr

[sour crescent]

CL's are between 3300 and 4000

Things like that

[stuck copper]

the only thing i can say is that ~75 evade is a good amount for a cruiser

[clear gate]

You start to see outliers too

[sour crescent]

Exactly

[cosmic pier]

@sour crescent the trash was from muscle memory

[clear gate]

Jintsuu has 2550 HP at level 100 but her skill offsets the low HP

[sour crescent]

Like Z46 having 2550 HP is a huge outlier

[clear gate]

Also Laffey with her crazy FP stat

[stuck copper]

yeah I just want to be able to recognise the outliers so I can actually focus on worthwhile stats

[sour crescent]

Nimi with her FP as well

[stuck copper]

but I don't want to check each ship manually

[clear gate]

Laffey @ 148 FP is an extreme outlier as most DDs are below 80

[stuck copper]

I find it hard to believe that there's no write up somewhere about it

[clear gate]

Jav is exactly 80

[stuck copper]

you'll also want to look at efficiencies

[sour crescent]

Nimi has even more than Laffey too

[clear gate]

Efficiencies matter too yeah

[sour crescent]

So there are also outliers within outliers

[stuck copper]

well I know what I'm gonna be doing tonight

[clear gate]

Like how Ayanami has 67 FP, which is average, but 85% main gun efficiency puts that squarely below average

[stuck copper]

for example, yat sen can carry two guns, but the second gun has way less efficiency

[cosmic pier]

or just play like me and dont even look at stats and still clear all content ez pz

[clear gate]

Crescent has above-average FP @ 99

[sour crescent]

I mean I do that too for the most part

[stuck copper]

ok but how do you people know all this

where did you learn it

just from playing?

[cosmic pier]

I dont know any of these

[stuck copper]

cuz that's crazy

[clear gate]

We don't memorize it necessarily

[sour crescent]

Just playing and checking ships on the wiki

[cosmic pier]

you naturally come across the stats n stuff as you just go around the botes and seeing their stats

also wiki

[sour crescent]

Like you generally will remember the outliers

[clear gate]

we just get a sense of "what's average" and then start picking out who's good and who's not

[stuck copper]

my fault for never looking at stats

I hate numbers

[clear gate]

DDs typically have around 300-350 torp

ish

[stuck copper]

i found AL super complicated at first. there's so much to consider. i didn't even know what the different ship types were.

they're all just the same white marks to me on the stat page

[sour crescent]

Then there are outliers at 500+ and the above average at 400+

[clear gate]

Javelin has 389, above average

[stuck copper]

ya it took me ages to learn the abbreviations

[clear gate]

Ayanami has like 500+

523 Ayanami

So someone with the understanding that "DD torps are usually in the 300-350 range" can look at this 523 Torp stat and go "oh that's awesome"

[sour crescent]

^

[stuck copper]

yeah that's what I want

but seems like

you have to manually work that out

[sour crescent]

Not necessarily

[stuck copper]

there's no page or document that tells you

[sour crescent]

Just tab between the girls

and see hey this numbah bigga

[stuck copper]

someone has a lot more patience than me..

[cosmic pier]

if you put rei instead of that "someone" its like
Rei sees 523 torp: "oh hey some torp stats"
Rei sees 100 torps: "oh hey some torp stats"
Rei is just dead inside, dont be like Rei

[clear gate]

Also, when you see exceptional stats, you might also ask yourself "what's the catch"

[stuck copper]

but I am like rei

[clear gate]

Aya has 523 torp, so the catch is terrible FP and AA

[stuck copper]

you can also bring up the performance tab and look at the different ratings for each stat

[sour crescent]

Like Ayanami, she has great torp but fuck all everything else

[cosmic pier]

there's the simple fact that stats aint everything

[stuck copper]

to get a rough idea

[sour crescent]

and gets blown the fuck up

[cosmic pier]

there's skills too

[stuck copper]

@stuck copper good idea

i prefer guns to torps tbh

[clear gate]

Laffey's catch is a merely usable torp stat

[stuck copper]

this is ayanami

o

tells you pretty much everything you need to know

yea

that should be on the stat page

i agree

not a grid of numbers

it's overwhelming

[sour crescent]

Its the same for Nimi, she has great FP but average Torp

[stuck copper]

i think it would help new players a lot

ya

[sour crescent]

I mean you can access that page very easily now

The archive button on the character screen

[stuck copper]

thank god for that

well this was a very helpful discussion

maybe now I can actually make proper fleet comps

[sour crescent]

Just whatever you do, be careful asking questions like this in #gameplay-help I know its the proper channel but alot of the people there are super toxic about everything

[cosmic pier]

like

more toxic than me

[stuck copper]

i'm surprised those people are still allowed in there, tbh

yeah big help channels always have the elitists :/

[sour crescent]

Its the help channel it should be there to motivate and encourage experimentation and out of the box thinking etc, but all it is is elitism and meta slaves

[stuck copper]

sounds about right

[cosmic pier]

to the extent of me not bothering looking at stats, I dont even know what are my 110 200 affection Javelin's stats like

I just trust her (and the others) to get the job done

and they do

[clear gate]

Javelin 🦊

[stuck copper]

i don't use help anymore. people in here are just as helpful.

sp is what

[cosmic pier]

speed

[stuck copper]

speed

ah

[sour crescent]

I mean I like looking at stats but in the end I just go like "Uhm this looks good here"

[cosmic pier]

Im best helpful

[clear gate]

Sp is, confusingly, evasion actually

[stuck copper]

javelin fast

[clear gate]

I believe

[stuck copper]

yeah, speed should be evasion

yeah

[sour crescent]

Yea I got confused on that

[clear gate]

People say "Oh Javelin can't kill things" and I'm like "excuse me what"

[cosmic pier]

people are dumb

[stuck copper]

they kinda borked it up with the new UI

[clear gate]

Javelin has the best torps of any HMS ship

[stuck copper]

man I had javelin for the longest time

[sour crescent]

Javelin has so much evasion she actually breaks it and goes in to Diminishing returns on it just by having her skill activate

Its kinda funny

[stuck copper]

lmao really

[sour crescent]

Yes

She has base 270

or something like that

[clear gate]

Also, Jav has usable FP

[stuck copper]

do note evasion has diminishing returns

[cosmic pier]

raff at these fools

[stuck copper]

he's not wrong

[cosmic pier]

he is

[sour crescent]

Javelin has pretty high torp damage

And average FP

[clear gate]

Non-retrofitted Javelin is only evasion and speed

Retrofitted Javelin's different

[sour crescent]

she's better than 90% of the DD's in the game

[clear gate]

Good torps, decent FP, great defense, imo the most well-rounded starter

[stuck copper]

all my starters are kai since long time

[sour crescent]

The only DD's better than her are the other starters and very few other SR DD's

[stuck copper]

used javelin for ages in my hms fleet

[cosmic pier]

JAVELIn cant Do dAMagE Btw

[warm bluff]

DDs are cute

[stuck copper]

eventually switched her out for uh, Sirius I think

[sour crescent]

I had someone tell me the other day that Nimi does no damage and shouldn't be used

[cosmic pier]

whats damage

[sour crescent]

It was funny

[cosmic pier]

[stuck copper]

because I had Leander in there

[clear gate]

Javelin isn't weak, the other starters are just stronger

[sour crescent]

^

[stuck copper]

javelin has average FP, which is good, for a DD

[clear gate]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stuck copper]

javelin is a good girl

[carmine coyote]

[cosmic pier]

javelin is the strongest if you aint levelled the other starters

[carmine coyote]

Rather use the other 3 than Javelin

[sour crescent]

[stuck copper]

and she gets buffed by QE as well..

[cosmic pier]

[sour crescent]

Yoou may rather use the others, but the main point we are making is Javelin is still usable

[carmine coyote]

But you have better HMS vanguards

[stuck copper]

I was told akashi was bad
but now people say she's actually very good

[clear gate]

Akashi is fiiiine

[stuck copper]

all you have to do is sort by DD and compare her to her peers. a C isn't bad.

[sour crescent]

Akashi does her job

Every ship does there job

[cosmic pier]

all the botes do their job

[sour crescent]

Some better than others

But they all still do work

They just need the love

[stuck copper]

yea but can the shikikan do his job

[clear gate]

lmao

[carmine coyote]

Akashi gives a nice health regen to the front lines, and a random health boost

[warm bluff]

I remember thinking akashi was bad because that terrible tier list someone made said that lol

[cosmic pier]

tier lists

🚮

[stuck copper]

god I hate tier lists

[clear gate]

Did you read the anthology issue with the C-class ships @stuck copper

[stuck copper]

you use akashi to keep your backliners alive. she's one of the few units that can actually heal them.

[sour crescent]

The only tier list I follow is the tier list on bust sizes

[stuck copper]

so one dimensional

[clear gate]

There's a useless Shikikan

[stuck copper]

no what's that

[sour crescent]

All the big tiddie botes are in F

[carmine coyote]

She's almost as good as Unicorn and Shouhou for health recovery

[cosmic pier]

so you give yourself an F? @sour crescent

[stuck copper]

ah at backline I see

akashi is definitely weaker when it comes to vanguard healing

[clear gate]

Backliner heal is situationally important, yeah

and that's where the ARs come in

[carmine coyote]

And she's just as good as Vestal with giving the 3 repairs and an extra ammo

[sour crescent]

Damn straight

Izzi gets the FATTEST F

[stuck copper]

ARs?

[sour crescent]

Repair ships

[clear gate]

AR = Repair ship

[carmine coyote]

Besides it's needed in the higher levels too

[stuck copper]

o

[clear gate]

Fun fact - IRL Eldridge is not a DD

Eldridge is a destroyer escort, or DE

but imagine splitting hairs over that in AL

[stuck copper]

ya you need backline healing on the god damn ^^^BB fleets in world 10+ I think

DE

[clear gate]

DEs are cheaper, smaller, and slower

[stuck copper]

yeah. akashi is primarily w10+. at least she is for me.

deutschland

[clear gate]

which is why Eldridge has such a bad speed stat for a "destroyer"

[sour crescent]

Same Caldaria

[warm bluff]

Eldridge should cost less oil then

[stuck copper]

because these fuckers will snipe your flagship

[sour crescent]

I rarely use her outside of high worlds

[clear gate]

ikr @warm bluff

[stuck copper]

do you use her in the boss fleet ?

[clear gate]

I don't use ARs in boss fleets myself

[stuck copper]

no. mob only.

[clear gate]

only mob fleets

[cosmic pier]

i use akashi everywhere cuz she's muh kitty

[clear gate]

They're most useful there

[carmine coyote]

Great for mob cleanup

[stuck copper]

and yes that's probably why you need to clear up to like world 8 to get akashi

[clear gate]

I use Vestal more but Akashi is also great, and there are some situations where I prefer the cat

It depends on how I'm taking damage

[sour crescent]

Vestal is better in smaller fleets

Akashi is better at keeping everyone topped off

[carmine coyote]

Boss fleets are made for bosses only, and shouldn't be used for anything else... except a failed ambush

[clear gate]

I find that Akashi is better if my entire fleet is slowly losing health at an unsustainable rate

[stuck copper]

bbs main damage mitigation stat is HP?

[clear gate]

Vestal can't really deal with that

[carmine coyote]

Vestal has that massive emergency repair in fight, but it depends on who gets it first tough

[sour crescent]

Vestal deals with burst well, Akashi deals with fires well

[clear gate]

Vestal is really good if one ship in particular is taking a lot of shit

[stuck copper]

just try them both

[clear gate]

but the rest of the fleet's fine

[stuck copper]

I gonna go lvl Vestal now

[cosmic pier]

I'll just throw in my classic "content not hard enough for it to matter which you take" quote

[sour crescent]

I mean that too

[clear gate]

And yes I do like Vestal in smaller fleets, usually where the fleet is only three members including her

[stuck copper]

not hard for you sadly I'm not you

[cosmic pier]

just git gud then

[clear gate]

1 backliner, Vestal, and 1 frontliner

[cosmic pier]

I know that breastal is better in smoller fleets and akashi bigger ones cause of how their heals work, I still take akashit in 2:1 and it works

[clear gate]

It still works

yes

a lot of the time

[warm bluff]

Akashi is cute

[cosmic pier]

I'd use the frontline reload buff as an excuse too but I've barely upgraded it cause idc much bout it

akashi wants my money she gotta work hard for it

[clear gate]

Reload buff is also not thaaaat impressive depending on what your frontline is

[stuck copper]

akashi is cute yes very

[clear gate]

Matters more for heavy cruisers, less for DDs and CLs

[sour crescent]

I use Nimi alot with Akashi so the reload is kinda nice on her

[cosmic pier]

akashit is just your usual irl cat and she really reflects it

"you treat me so well, am I your goddess, nya?"

[clear gate]

Akashi reminds me of a character in a different gacha I played years ago

[cosmic pier]

cats irl make you treat em like gods too

[clear gate]

so I do have some attachment in that sense

[cosmic pier]

[stuck copper]

you treat me so well, am i your goddess nya?
yes
yes you are

i'm a cat person, so i am okay with that

same

tbh i think akashi should take over amazon's job in tutorials

[cosmic pier]

I had to sell my cat cause maintenance cost was becoming too high

[clear gate]

RIP

[sour crescent]

I too like cats

So I like Akashi even more