avrora-general

[stuck copper]

There are like other 6 goldens in special pool

[ornate mantle]

This gonna suck ass.

[stuck copper]

So, 25% chance to get a sub

If you get a golden

[ornate mantle]

Special pool gets merged w/ event pools during event though right?

[stuck copper]

1,75% to pull a golden sub

[ornate mantle]

So it should still be wise to not pull until Nagato event.

[verbal obsidian]

hmm

Patience is a virtue as they say

[ornate mantle]

Yeah, I’m probably gonna wait for Nagato event announcements to pull.

[verbal obsidian]

i'm gonna lock you out of all chat rooms except for trophy room

and every time you check this server, there will be nothing but sub trophies!

[stuck copper]

What aux should I equipt to monty?

[verbal obsidian]

the one with the thingy

[stuck copper]

[ornate mantle]

@verbal obsidian

@stuck copper : that’s a good PVE loadout.

[stuck copper]

that is all i need

[stuck copper]

we are fine without subs

as far as I can tell

so, save your cubes

[verbal obsidian]

spills spaghetti no u

[stuck copper]

me?

[verbal obsidian]

[stuck copper]

Ashigara is a good girl

if you wonder why am i doing 3:3, it is because i need to burn the oil i gathered by not having internet for 2 days

ashigara

i tried to hard to get her

She is getting close to 110

you are so lucky

@stuck copper There, there

[toxic scroll]

@ornate mantle I mean I waiting for the Nagato event to continue playing past dorm and comms

[stuck copper]

should i buy another hood gun from the shop?

[verbal obsidian]

shes one of me favs

@ ashigara

[toxic scroll]

I did a mad dash to get Ashigara to 100 when I got her

One of the few ships I've ever done that for

[verbal obsidian]

same

[stuck copper]

I rushed her to 100 affinity too

i am so jealous

her skill barrage needs a buff

[toxic scroll]

default

Nah man

All about her skin

But

Her default is quite good

I won't deny that

[verbal obsidian]

shes just an innocent shipfu

[toxic scroll]

No

She was an innocent shipgirl

[ornate mantle]

@stuck copper : Id recommend it just so you do t need to switch hood gun between Amagi, Hood, and other barrage BB

[toxic scroll]

Maybe I should actually play today

[ornate mantle]

If you want to man.

[toxic scroll]

Even though my nickname kinda says otherwise

[ornate mantle]

Hey, if GBF has your main attention go for it.

[toxic scroll]

See though

I've at least put money into AL

[stuck copper]

okay

[toxic scroll]

So there's an extremely small fragment of obligation

To play

[ornate mantle]

I mean.

You’ll get the money back eventually.

Don’t sweat it, lmao.

[toxic scroll]

I already have

[stuck copper]

i put over $100 into AL so far

[ornate mantle]

Then what’s there to worry about.

[toxic scroll]

Only over $100?

[ornate mantle]

My thoughts exactly, but I’m not gonna showboat how much I’ve spent.

[stuck copper]

for me that is much

how many have you spent!

[ornate mantle]

A lot of money. That I don’t regret going into AL.

[toxic scroll]

$100 isn't even a third of a weekly paycheck for me

Let's see

I'll say at least

$400

Minimum

[stuck copper]

[toxic scroll]

Because I don't count

I can find out

But I have an exam to cram for

[stuck copper]

at least in AL i cannot be bitter about whale because whale is not how to get waifu

[toxic scroll]

That I'm taking in 10min

[ornate mantle]

Let’s say. I’ve spent over 25k gems on skins alone.

[verbal obsidian]

i might be right up there with u good sir

[ornate mantle]

Also spent 2k on cubes and gold.

[verbal obsidian]

[ornate mantle]

Also spent on expansions and dock space.

[toxic scroll]

Same

[stuck copper]

why to spend on cubes and gold?

[ornate mantle]

I was a desperate fucker at that time.

[toxic scroll]

[stuck copper]

[ornate mantle]

That’s probably the only purchase I regret.

Because that’s 100 dock right there.

[toxic scroll]

I mean

[stuck copper]

[toxic scroll]

Yeah

[ornate mantle]

Or two skins.

Or anything else.

[toxic scroll]

food

[ornate mantle]

But for whatever reason my brain just couldn’t rationalize a purchase right there.

[toxic scroll]

Seriously though

Has anyone bought the food for gems

[stuck copper]

maybe newfriend who does not realize what it is

[ornate mantle]

I bought oil first day of AL.

[stuck copper]

i spent all free gem on cube

[verbal obsidian]

food i havent spent on

but i did on some furniture pieces

[ornate mantle]

Made me want to ditch my account and start a new one... but I decided to keep it and rolled Enty + Hood like two hours later.

[stuck copper]

mutsky cat

[verbal obsidian]

i thought the poop coffee maker

was really funny

[stuck copper]

WHAT????

[ornate mantle]

I spent on furniture tooz

Mainly Neptunia Furniture

[toxic scroll]

I'll buy some furniture with gems

If it's gem only

And I like it

I don't get happiness from furniture anymore

[stuck copper]

the best gem furniture i have bought is the UFO and the ghost

[toxic scroll]

So I just buy what I think I can fit into my dorm theme

[stuck copper]

but the ghost does not really work with my other furnitures

[toxic scroll]

Exam time

[verbal obsidian]

gl!

ganbatte

[stuck copper]

[ornate mantle]

Go get em!

My favorite furniture is the teleporter and the crane from Neptunia.

Also like the ghost from Haloween.

[verbal obsidian]

yeah..i didnt buy those

cause i was but a cautious f2p

"will i be investing my time here"

smfh

[ornate mantle]

I was a fucking whale at the time.

[verbal obsidian]

thats the only way to play pal

[ornate mantle]

And am still a whale.

[verbal obsidian]

right there with ya

[ornate mantle]

It really is the only reasonable way to play.

[stuck copper]

🐳

always whale in azur lane!

[ornate mantle]

[stuck copper]

but NEVER whale in fgo! only villains do that!

[verbal obsidian]

[ornate mantle]

FGO whales aren’t even whales.

They’re like, Poseidons.

[stuck copper]

they are not even human

[ornate mantle]

Water Gods.

[stuck copper]

Deep Sea Kraken

[verbal obsidian]

True pepegas

[stuck copper]

[ornate mantle]

HyperPepega

Like.

When I think about my whaling.

I always reference that one guy who sold his house for FGO.

[verbal obsidian]

Wasn't there a dude who sold his house

LOL

[ornate mantle]

And feel better

[stuck copper]

and still never got his waifu

[verbal obsidian]

[ornate mantle]

LOL

In fact. I go back to that article and read it every now and then.

And I just become mystefied.

[wintry sonnet]

huh, interesting

that sounds like something that could happen to a compulsive gambler

but gacha and lootboxes aren't gambling

[ornate mantle]

That’s a shady topic.

[stuck copper]

not yet

[ornate mantle]

But I’d like to hear the arguments TO and AGAINST Gacha being a gambling mechanism.

I’d prefer the argument it isn’t.

So I can continue to get cute Waifus.

Without the government on my ass.

[wintry sonnet]

you can get cute waifus without it being gambling

also, I wouldn't even care if it is or isn't honestly

if the companies implementing those systems werent complete fuckwits about it

[ornate mantle]

I mean, normal people don’t care.

But then when laws and shit move into the picture then we need to care.

[verbal obsidian]

i think it was berlin that made EA remove loot boxes

[stuck copper]

i heard a lawyer talk about it. it's difficult.

[verbal obsidian]

pretty much the same as gacha

[wintry sonnet]

Belgium

[verbal obsidian]

^

[wintry sonnet]

not berlin

[stuck copper]

an argument against it being gambling is that you're getting what you pay for.

[verbal obsidian]

xd

[ornate mantle]

LOL.

[wintry sonnet]

are you?

[stuck copper]

yes

you pay for one unit, and you get one unit.

[wintry sonnet]

so that guy who lost his house and didnt get his waifu

[ornate mantle]

Technically yeah.

[wintry sonnet]

that is him getting what he paid for?

[ornate mantle]

Technically yes.

That makes sense.

[verbal obsidian]

theres no guarantee saying he's gonna get it

[ornate mantle]

But from a Gacha players perspective it’s some hilarious shit.

[stuck copper]

rarities muddle the water, but you're technically getting something

[wintry sonnet]

if you mean he paid for a CHANCE to roll the dice and get what he wanted, then yes he got what he paid for

in which he paid for a gamble

cause that's what a gamble is

[ornate mantle]

No, he paid for a Unit.

[stuck copper]

say what you want, but gacha is very predatory because it makes the player form bond and attachment to the .png file

[ornate mantle]

He got something back.

[wintry sonnet]

it's the same mechanic, same psychological triggers

same design

you just get pixels instead of real money

[ornate mantle]

In gambling you either get something or don’t.

That’s not how Gacha operates.

[verbal obsidian]

@stuck copper yes i love my 2d waifu's and their art

[stuck copper]

me too

[wintry sonnet]

if it looks like gambling, smells like gambling and works the same way as gambling, then it's gambling

[verbal obsidian]

[ornate mantle]

I can’t agree to that, lmao.

[stuck copper]

i'm not sure

[verbal obsidian]

its it still gambling when i make a sacrifice to Akashi kamisama

[stuck copper]

the units you get have no real value. you can't trade them for something else.

[verbal obsidian]

and she blesses me with loot

[wintry sonnet]

Ah the trading argument

[ornate mantle]

I’m just letting Yostar borrow my money in return for Waifus.

[wintry sonnet]

my beloved one

[stuck copper]

like i said, it's difficult.

[wintry sonnet]

if they have no value

why do people spend money

[stuck copper]

monetary value

sentimental value

[wintry sonnet]

Because spoiler alert, they DO have inherent value

otherwise there would be no price tag on a chance to obtain them

[ornate mantle]

Wouldn’t they be worth what you pay for them in cubes.

[stuck copper]

it's a one-way street.

gacha game make player feel attached to a character so u want to spend moni to buy them

[ornate mantle]

Naw, I can’t agree to that either.

[stuck copper]

the product you buy has value within the game, as in entertainment value

[ornate mantle]

You can find the value of a “unit”

But individual value for in game characters change and are fan determined.

Some being worth more than others, but is irrelevant on the market scheme

[stuck copper]

you buy an in-game character, you get an in-game character, but you can't get money for it

or something that you can trade for money

[ornate mantle]

Well no, you’ve gotten the worth of that unit though.

[stuck copper]

they're walking a fine line, which makes it difficult

[wintry sonnet]

except you dont with lootboxes or gachas

you buy a chance to get an in-game character

[ornate mantle]

Shit, I forgot I was in class.

[verbal obsidian]

[wintry sonnet]

if there was a ceiling to your spending, fair enough

it's why I reluctantly give GBF a pass

cause once you spend up to 300 rolls, you WILL get what you want

luck or not

I still think it's a bullshit amount of money but at least it's there

[ornate mantle]

LOL

[verbal obsidian]

GBF does that?

Dang

[wintry sonnet]

the spark mechanic

[ornate mantle]

I heard you can pay $30 for a character you want.

[wintry sonnet]

if you get 300 rolls within a banner you can just pick whatever you want

[verbal obsidian]

O well if you put it that way, Honkai impact does the same

[wintry sonnet]

and it counts for free and paid rolls

[ornate mantle]

That’s the pity mechanic.

[verbal obsidian]

every "100 rolls" youre guaranteed a S Rank

[ornate mantle]

Isn’t it.

Oh shit you play Honkai too?

[verbal obsidian]

i used to

the grind was too much

[wintry sonnet]

I keep getting honkai ads on AL videos

[verbal obsidian]

going back soon tho xd

[wintry sonnet]

[ornate mantle]

I don’t want to try Honkai.

[verbal obsidian]

its a lot more grinding than this

[ornate mantle]

I’m gonna keep rerolling in E7 though.

[verbal obsidian]

and they charge 25-30 usd for a skin

[ornate mantle]

Holy shit.

[stuck copper]

[ornate mantle]

Unexpected mega whales too

[verbal obsidian]

o yeah whaling means a lot in that game

cause gear

xd

[stuck copper]

p2w

[wintry sonnet]

but yeah, my inherent issue with the gambling mechanics used in gacha/lootboxes aren't even that they exist, per se. It's primarily because alot of them are designed to be a bottomless money sink without any hardline limit

on how much you gotta throw before you get what you aim for

doesnt help most of them dont even disclose the ratios

you get a general "x% on rarity" at some times

heck, EA doesnt even do that much

[ornate mantle]

I think it’s a Law now that Gacha have to disclose rates.

At least in the US it is.

[wintry sonnet]

in some countries

the law's kinda slippery in that way

[verbal obsidian]

Yea there was a huge debate over that here

cause EA was "taking" money from children

[wintry sonnet]

iirc Blizzard got lambasted in China for not disclosing the rates

[ornate mantle]

I mean, it’s still going on.

[wintry sonnet]

so instead they argued you dont buy your rolls

[stuck copper]

Tbf you said about gambling

[wintry sonnet]

instaed you buy the currency to buy rolls with

[stuck copper]

for the record, i am not a fan of predatory practices. i just try to understand why they are allowed to exist.

[ornate mantle]

EA gets shit for everything. They deserved it plenty of times too.

[wintry sonnet]

which means you dont pay for gambling

[stuck copper]

But I'd argue that actual gambling can give you something of real world value

[wintry sonnet]

because logic

[ornate mantle]

Is my happiness not real world value enough for you

[verbal obsidian]

^LOL

[ornate mantle]

[verbal obsidian]

i was about to same something corny like that to

fk

[stuck copper]

Man

HMS BB's are fun

[ornate mantle]

Fuck, I’m laughing right now in calculus.

And I was the only one.

[stuck copper]

Give me spite kai game

[wintry sonnet]

if you wanna satisfy your rolling happiness, you can just play gacha simulators tho

dotn have to spend money on them

[verbal obsidian]

but then u nvr truly own them

[stuck copper]

well imo AL does not have this issue because the gacha aspect is not with real moni

[ornate mantle]

Just play E7 tbh.

[verbal obsidian]

then again...

[ornate mantle]

30 free rolls.

[stuck copper]

Actually

You don't truly own a thing even in AL

[verbal obsidian]

yostar could suddenly decide to shut down en AL

and we just lose everyting

[stuck copper]

Read the ToS

[verbal obsidian]

so I actually don't own anything

[stuck copper]

You don't own a thing in the game

You own the rights to use it

Nothing more

[wintry sonnet]

I still think AL not having the ceiling for how much you might have to throw to get certain characters is bullshit, but again, it's not a black-white kind of situation

[stuck copper]

Nothing less

[ornate mantle]

The TOS says you’re basically borrowing.

[stuck copper]

That's all

[verbal obsidian]

[stuck copper]

And even that right can be taken from you for any reason

At any time

[verbal obsidian]

yeah well they can't steal my happiness

[stuck copper]

Without warning

[ornate mantle]

For undisclosed reasons.

[wintry sonnet]

AL makes up for it by having a reasonable pace of earning the stuff to roll with, as well as a reasonable ratio

[ornate mantle]

If I shut down your account I’m sure you’d be pissed.

[wintry sonnet]

it's not a perfect solution, but I'll give credit when credit's due

[stuck copper]

But man

Enjoying this a lot

I should have used warspooder sooner

[ornate mantle]

I’d be pretty unhappy if I woke up and my AL wasn’t letting me log in.

[wintry sonnet]

been there, done that

[ornate mantle]

I haven’t used Warspoot yet.

[wintry sonnet]

it's not a fun experience

[ornate mantle]

I know.

[verbal obsidian]

they did that to me for chain chronicles

[ornate mantle]

It happened yesterday for you.

[wintry sonnet]

well technically I wasn't asleep

[verbal obsidian]

Sega just gave up one day

[ornate mantle]

[warm bluff]

i think they'd only shut down accounts if they found some sort of cheating or something

[ornate mantle]

That’s the reasonable response.

[wintry sonnet]

wasn't case for me, if you were implying something

[verbal obsidian]

If the profits went under, they'd shut the whole game down.

[wintry sonnet]

[ornate mantle]

But they can technically have ANY reason based on TOS.

[wintry sonnet]

in my case it was a bit of a weird predicament

[ornate mantle]

Yeah.

Infinite Charging Works.

[wintry sonnet]

cause apparently, I was a beta tester all along

[ornate mantle]

Holy fuck what, lmao.

[wintry sonnet]

but something got fucked on the communication front

[warm bluff]

[wintry sonnet]

and I never received an email with beta client and stuff

so I was flagged as a beta tester on a non-beta client

and some shit messed up with PVP

and it flagged me off

[ornate mantle]

LOL.

That’s some complex shit.

[wintry sonnet]

ikr

[ornate mantle]

I gtg, I’ll be back in a while.

I’m just gonna wait to start PVP again.

After the 300 reset.

[wintry sonnet]

honestly I thought all along intern was pranking me

cause april fools

[verbal obsidian]

[wintry sonnet]

but no, apparently I was meant to be a beta tester on that last round

oh, Arashio minievent on JP

[stuck copper]

got Mogami

pretty late to the party, everyone retrofitted her before i ddi

did*

Why'd I get three Nanodas

I wanted 5 ykkz

But i can't even get a 2nd one

I am a failure

[wintry sonnet]

can't wait for tomorrow's maint

[ornate mantle]

Same.

I want use to start getting ISSS news already.

To get me pumped up.

Not gonna roll at all.

For subs.

But if we can get them then I can plan better.

Maybe a daily special build will net me some subs.

[stuck copper]

i think i might do one or 2 ten rolls on special build

[wintry sonnet]

I've set away 100 cubes for the rolls on day 1, then I'll just do the daily rolls until whatever next event we get

that being said, I'm bailing the second I get I-19

[ornate mantle]

Honestly me know how that goes.

I’m interested to see how it goes with you guys burning 100+ cubes.

[stuck copper]

i believe in rngses

[wintry sonnet]

I'll be fine as long as I get at least 1 non I-58 sub out of the deal

but I-19 is the grand prize goal

[stuck copper]

I'll just watch as people commit sudoku

Over not getting their waifu subs

my only waifu sub comes out on anniversary

[verbal obsidian]

@stuck copper may the rng goddess bless u brother

[stuck copper]

I just want to see everyone getting banned at #trophy-room

Dace

Yikes

I just don't post anything here anyway

Saves me the trouble

"i am a good guy following the rules, lets post my new girl at #trophy-room ❤ " gets banned

i think the school girl pantsu skin will get banned after get released

Oh I don't think she will

She definitely will

[wintry sonnet]

I mean the roll overview should be fine

[stuck copper]

school girl pantsu? i-19 skin?

[wintry sonnet]

as long as you dont post the introduction screens

[stuck copper]

I don't choose not to

It's a lot easier than guessing what is and isn't allowed

[wintry sonnet]

I mean, considering xmas lulu got banned

I-19 is a matter of time

[stuck copper]

Exactly

just wait for degenerate to jump on

Easiest option is to just not post

Can't get done for something you didn't do

[wintry sonnet]

I mean easiest option would be to just slap the degens lewding out the characters in the first place

[stuck copper]

hmmmm

Is Lulu the rare with most skins?

[verbal obsidian]

I just want that juicy takao skin

[stuck copper]

i think so

[verbal obsidian]

oneesan take me

[stuck copper]

oh no wait, yamashiro is rare

[verbal obsidian]

[wintry sonnet]

not sure if she's even the most skins for a rare

she's definitely not the most skins overall tho

that title goes to aya

[stuck copper]

Aya is elite

Not rare

aya so popular

[wintry sonnet]

read what I said

[stuck copper]

He was talking about rares

[wintry sonnet]

read again

[stuck copper]

I know

read what he said

But his question

Had nothing to do with most skins

[wintry sonnet]

and I never claimed that part to be

[stuck copper]

Yamashiro and Cygnet are just cheating if you want to compare with other commons/rares

Cygnet is also not a rare

Kai doesn't count

I know, but i am talking in general and said commons for that reason

[wintry sonnet]

she has 4 non-kai skins tho, counting in oath

[stuck copper]

Cyg has too many

[wintry sonnet]

that's more than lulu

even if you ignore the retrofit skins

[stuck copper]

Cyg and Yamashiro have the same ammount

While that's true

I just don't really like Cyg that much tbh

[wintry sonnet]

point being, lulu's not the highest amount of skins among rares

unless we're talking bought skins, then maybe

[stuck copper]

cygnet is ok

[wintry sonnet]

since 2 of yamashiro's skins are freebie

[stuck copper]

i really like honolulu though

I wish they'd fix yama and fusou

Two botes that will probably never get fixed

Yeah, Yamashiro has only 1 skin for gems

Unless you also count the oath skin

Can we make Yama and Fusou actually good BBV pls

They were not really good as BBVs irl, so

[wintry sonnet]

who gives a shit about irl

[stuck copper]

Yeah I was gonna say, what matters is cuteness above all

[wintry sonnet]

it's a goddamn game, I want to have fun using them

[stuck copper]

Yeah the fact that kai wise

azur lane does care about irl

They're the only botes in game

Devs care

Where it actively makes them worse to fully kai them

Is just stupid

[wintry sonnet]

if they wanna make flavor references in their lines or their design, no problem

skill naming, too

[stuck copper]

Like at least Ise and Hyuuga after they realized their mistake with the first pair

Were made to not be like such

[wintry sonnet]

I mean they didnt really

they just made their stats not as awful

it doesnt fix the inherent issues that BBVs have

[stuck copper]

Actually it isn't just stats

Their skill is just generally better

It is not that they realized their mistake, it is just because Ise and Hyuuga are supposed to be better versions of BBVs irl too

Not to mention hyuuga buffing on even more FP

[wintry sonnet]

skill are also not the main issue of BBVs

but having an actual backline buff does help

[stuck copper]

If skills weren't the main issue

Hyuuga wouldn't be tiered as high as she is

Because of her ability to do what she does

[wintry sonnet]

she's not tiered that high because of being a BBV tho

[verbal obsidian]

[wintry sonnet]

she's tiered that high because of the statline and the skill

[stuck copper]

I just said it's because of her skill

Did you even read

[wintry sonnet]

doesnt change the fact she lacks aux guns, can't swap them at will in place of seaplanes

and the zuiun is just really really bad

[stuck copper]

Gold Zuiun when

[wintry sonnet]

until they adress these issues, you can only apply duct tape

but the duct tape won't fix the cracks

the cracks are still there

[stuck copper]

I mean the aux issue can actually be quite easily solved with Mikasa in mid

Since she has 2

[wintry sonnet]

that's also duct tape

[stuck copper]

Here's the thing

If you gave them all the things a BB has

You'd break them into oblivion

Because they'd be literally not point to taking a BB ever

You can't be a jack of all trades

And be at the top end

[wintry sonnet]

except there is, because the fleet requirements discriminate in favor of BBs anyway

[stuck copper]

You're referring to one specific part of the game

[wintry sonnet]

which is the big part of the game

cause every hm map has them

[stuck copper]

But again

[wintry sonnet]

and most of them go either carrier or battleship

[stuck copper]

Specifics

[wintry sonnet]

not cvl or bbv, or even bc

[stuck copper]

I mean some of them requires BC

And there's actually not that many of those compared to BB's

So a moot point to bring it up

[wintry sonnet]

2-3 maps with a bc requirement is hardly a difference maker

[stuck copper]

Because literally every HM has this

[wintry sonnet]

otherwise, we might as well claim BBV are perfect

cause Hyuuga exists

[stuck copper]

If a BBV did exactly what a BB did

It would be

Which is why they don't do that

[wintry sonnet]

that's kinda the point

they should

cause they're retrofits

[stuck copper]

No

[wintry sonnet]

you spend not a small amount of rsc to improve them

so why would spending the dosh make them shittier

[stuck copper]

You don't make something do the jobs of everything

That's how you ruin games

[wintry sonnet]

I never said make them do everything

[stuck copper]

You either specialize things

Or you make them decent at everything

But not amazing

[wintry sonnet]

all the time every single goddamn time I always say

make the aux slot

choosable

pick between aux guns or planes

[stuck copper]

If you chose the aux

[wintry sonnet]

but give the choice

[stuck copper]

Why would you use them

Might as well just use a BB

So another moot point

[wintry sonnet]

Can I fucking finish

my point

[ornate mantle]

I also wit

[wintry sonnet]

You fix the issue of aux slots first, so they can have the versatile role of being able to cover for either extra suicide boat fending

or for extra air power

and then you improve the air aspect

[stuck copper]

Or they could just make their planes not hot garbage?

[wintry sonnet]

by having proper seaplanes

I WAS GONNA FUCKING SAY IT

LET ME FINISH MY THOUGHTS REEEEEEEEEEEE

[ornate mantle]

Where is the gold sea plan yostar

[wintry sonnet]

[stuck copper]

Well my point was more the idea behind them seems to be

No defense

[ornate mantle]

They’re “our” thoughts.

[stuck copper]

More offense

So just make their planes good

Bam

They do their role properly

[ornate mantle]

I always saw them as a way to clear BB shelling w/ relying on CV/L

[wintry sonnet]

My idea is for them to be versatile, but not "Ramizer, do everything" versatile

[ornate mantle]

But that’s it.

[wintry sonnet]

instead, to make them customizable to be able to cover multiple roles

[stuck copper]

Cause being versatile is fine

The issue usually stems

[ornate mantle]

Multiple roles.

[stuck copper]

When they're super strong at those roles

[ornate mantle]

Like not sucking ass being one of them.

[stuck copper]

I mean even as BBV

Their stats are closer to USS BB's

Then actual IJN BB's

[wintry sonnet]

Doesnt prevent Amagi being released

[stuck copper]

Not saying it does but that's more an issue on their end

Of not balancing it properly

[wintry sonnet]

right, and I think we can agree BBVs are not balanced properly

they give away too much in place of too little

[stuck copper]

I mean the 2 shot thing

Can work per say

French botes for example do it just fine

By having quads

If only quads weren't hot garbage outside of that gun

I think the may issue stems from one thing

99% of the weps in the game are actual shit

That you only end up using like 1% of them

[wintry sonnet]

besides which, BBVs are gonna become even worse potentially

with the whole air power mechanic

if you thought their airstrike was unimpressive already, wait till they dont even get as far as half of the screen before being blown off

[stuck copper]

What mechanic is this btw?

Also I find it funny

That BB's

Are superior to CV's in game

Despite the fact that CV's are what changed the tide of the war

[wintry sonnet]

Dont remember the specifics but it's basically KC-style idea

you have your air denials, air superiorities, air supremacies

stuff like that

[stuck copper]

Oh jeez

This already sounds terrible

[wintry sonnet]

my assumption is it's gonna make your planes weaker/stronger

depending on which one you get

[stuck copper]

Guess that USS fleets are gonna end up stupidly op at this rate

Due to their insane AA

And stupid BB's

I mean what

[wintry sonnet]

not unless giving enemy air supremacy will make the enemy planes strong enough to withstand it

[stuck copper]

USS can get like 4-5k AA

I mean the fact that in say story

Planes already become bad for damage as you get to higher worlds

Like they need more reason for them to get worse

You end up relying pretty much on BB for damage

[wintry sonnet]

inb4 Messerschmit becomes the BiS

[stuck copper]

I'd be not surprised sadly

[wintry sonnet]

also, speaking of the vesatility and the ability to switch from aux guns and planes, you could rework their skills to operate depending on which one's used

[stuck copper]

That would be interesting

[wintry sonnet]

you know like how bunker hill switches her buffs

[stuck copper]

Kind of like Bunker Hill

[wintry sonnet]

depending where she is

yea

[stuck copper]

Yeah

Would be interesting for sure

But yeah I've tried CV HMS in pvp

Didn't seem to do too well

BB HMS though works like a charm

Especially against akaga or enty

I can see why warspooder kai is making people sad

[wintry sonnet]

so uh

what's the deal with the pvp tweet

are they gonna reset all the scores?

[stuck copper]

300 point one?

Basically all scores go poof

To 300

[wintry sonnet]

so you can just beat the shit out of anything right now without caring how many points you get

[stuck copper]

Pretty much yeah

[wintry sonnet]

good enough for me

[stuck copper]

This is what I'm currently using

It's fun for sure

Warspooder and her crits are hilarious

[wintry sonnet]

define use

[glacial snow]

[wintry sonnet]

cause this looks to me like a defense fleet

[vital edge]

I prefer her German counterpart

[wintry sonnet]

[stuck copper]

Works on offense too

Her skill helps you nuke top or bottom easily

[glacial snow]

KMS has really bad FP

Except for like 2 ships

[stuck copper]

Which is good against things like enty or akaga

[glacial snow]

[stuck copper]

Gets even better when the kai comes

[tranquil sequoia]

yay subs

[stuck copper]

Since everything more or less targets the one thing hit by her skill

Aka they explode

[vital edge]

Warspite does have multiple flaws, but they're overshadowed once she gets a kai

[stuck copper]

Quickly

Yeah

And the debuff she inflicts

Is perma till it dies

[wintry sonnet]

eh, I prefer just to showcase the waifus in defense fleet

no reason to set up try-hard fleets anyway, you can get gensui without it

unless you wanna be a dick to people

[vital edge]

Her pre-kai, for example has a long shot animation which tends to greatly delay her aux guns and lower her effective aux range

[wintry sonnet]

[stuck copper]

If I was using a try hard though

I'd be using full IJN

True enough MK

I just like using HMS

A question for you

Do you think it would be better to keep QE or to replace her with Monarch later

[vital edge]

The more obvious flaw is that her only skill misses too often against targets that move like in PvE

QE?

Hmm

[stuck copper]

Liz

[vital edge]

QE is pretty solid

PvP?

[wintry sonnet]

I still dont like Warspite's kai direction

[stuck copper]

Yeah

[vital edge]

QE stays

[wintry sonnet]

it's more like she just banks it all on her pvp utility

[stuck copper]

Tbf

Her extra skill works in both

[wintry sonnet]

part of it does

her sniping skill is still garbo for PVE

[stuck copper]

Better dispersion increases her damage capability

Actually

It still helps

Free damage is free damage

[vital edge]

It really is garbo

[wintry sonnet]

if you can't hit anything with it, then its not even free damage

[vital edge]

She can be compared to Scharnhorst

[wintry sonnet]

I dont get the obsession of not changing her skill

[vital edge]

KMS Warspite has a similar skill but the spread and targeting make it better

[oblique mantle]

Ooh a warspite

[wintry sonnet]

to prioritize the big baddies

[stuck copper]

Yes

Warspooder

I'm working on maxing her

[oblique mantle]

shifts my damage dealers away from warspite so I win faster?

Easy

[wintry sonnet]

how's she in PVE tho evil

[oblique mantle]

The power of looking and swapping is wonderous

Hahahha

[wintry sonnet]

cause that's the issue we're adressing

[oblique mantle]

Why would I use that girl in pve?

[wintry sonnet]

exactly

[stuck copper]

I mean tbf

[oblique mantle]

You know what weapons I have

[stuck copper]

Her FP does actually beat most botes

[oblique mantle]

You will catch me use a full kms team for pve before I take warspite and her kai to one

Just not worth it

[wintry sonnet]

oh btw Evil

I was meaning to ask you something

when you roll in JP for banners that include special pools, like carriers and stuff

did you ever get submarines from the basic pool?

you know, stuff like Dace or I-19 or I-26 and so on

[oblique mantle]

Yes

Actually after rereading that

No

You either get her or you don’t

And with how most subs are meh as fuck.

You really question when they’ll be worth it

[wintry sonnet]

lemme rephrase it just for the safety sake. When you roll in limited banners that contain special construction items, let's say for example you'd roll KMS rerun

did you ever pull the submarines other than the one that was limited in the rerun

[oblique mantle]

No

[wintry sonnet]

fuck

[oblique mantle]

So if your going for a certain sub

Better roll

[wintry sonnet]

so in other words, only way we're gonna get the 5 subs we're getting tomorrow

is special

well, 4 of them

since I-58 is quest reward

[vital edge]

We're getting subs.

Nope. Nope. and Nope. Ain't falling for this cube trap.

[oblique mantle]

Now when they start putting em in normal

It’ll still be hard

But like I always say

It ain’t worth it

[vital edge]

This is like that time they added shotguns in GFL

Used everying from the 300k mark and got nothing by 0

[wintry sonnet]

well, I suppose on the other hand, if the subs dont show up in limited pool outside of whatever the event sub is

then it means less chance to pull potential dupes

or spooks

[oblique mantle]

And let me be real here

Even if they did

The chance is so low, it might as well not be

[wintry sonnet]

are the subs this bad to roll for?

[oblique mantle]

Most of the time when new things come

I’m usually down to the sub being left

Cause of those low ass timers

[wintry sonnet]

oof

[ornate mantle]

Idk man.

I’d much rather chase in an event build.

More to offer.

[oblique mantle]

Like 47 is 11:00

You kidding me?

[wintry sonnet]

but you can't get them in event builds apparently

[ornate mantle]

Oh really?

[oblique mantle]

Unless their displayed as such

I have never seen em outside of the event they were on

Or what whoever was put in the normal construct

[wintry sonnet]

so it sounds like how the DDs get treated in limited pools

[ornate mantle]

Isn’t special usually the host pool when event builds arrive.

[wintry sonnet]

only DDs you ever pull there are event ones

not precisely

they use special/heavy as frameworks

but they still remove alot of things

[ornate mantle]

Ahhh, gotcha.

Damn, conflicted now tbh.

[wintry sonnet]

if you have a limited event with battleships for example

you ain't gonna see carriers

and vice versa

unless both are present

exception might be SSRs

[ornate mantle]

Yeah, I expected that.

[wintry sonnet]

but then again I never once pulled a Warspite or Hood

during the KMS rerun

I did pull lusty and enty tho

[ornate mantle]

Iffy then.

W/e

I’ll probably dip a little tomorrow.

[wintry sonnet]

yeah, that's why I'm stopping at 100 cubes tomorrow

reasonable enough to expect at least 1 sub

[ornate mantle]

Honestly, I’d rather not go passed 10 cubes.

[wintry sonnet]

and then I'll wait for the next event, pull on that and if I graduate, I'll move back to special

[oblique mantle]

Oh right.. the sakura event

I don’t need anything from here and I don’t care for nagato

Time to skip and relax again

[wintry sonnet]

the game never lets me go above 200 cubes for events anyway

[ornate mantle]

Not going for collection huh?

I’d rather stay at 400+ cubes for Nagato event.

Collection Value + Nagato herself.

[wintry sonnet]

I mean, the event will go on for 2-3 weeks no

so one way or the other, you'll be stockpiling cubes over that period anyway

[ornate mantle]

True. But I’m impatient.

I’d rather get everyone day one and just stockpile rest of event.

[wintry sonnet]

also, fuck my life

takago skins are limited

[oblique mantle]

I don’t care for collection

Aquan will tell you

If it aint thicc and appealing, I ain’t wheeling and dealing

[ornate mantle]

That’s fine. There are people who don’t, lolz

[wintry sonnet]

can confirm

I do care about the collection but honestly

I'm getting burned out on it

no avrora still and you cant even reach 100% completion most of the time

[ornate mantle]

I didn’t care at first... but then I realized that I actually have a really good chance at 100% collection.

[wintry sonnet]

cause they keep throwing the next login reward like 2-3 days after

[ornate mantle]

So now I’m motivated.

[wintry sonnet]

actually...

hold up

Can you guys confirm something for me

[ornate mantle]

Honestly, I’m still kinda motivated even w/ subs.

[wintry sonnet]

didnt every single major event we had so far

start on the day we had the login reward ship?

or at least most of them

[ornate mantle]

Uhhhhh, did the KMS one start like that.

And the FW one?

[wintry sonnet]

I have this odd feeling like every time we have a major maint

it happens the same day as the login reward ship

[ornate mantle]

We can monitor it.

But I don’t recall.

[stuck copper]

if it runs for 3 weeks, then a break for one week...

[wintry sonnet]

actually yea lol

dec 21st, chapter 10 release

[stuck copper]

sounds like a reasonable assumption

[wintry sonnet]

feb 21st, Winter Crown

March 21st, VDIR rerun

there's a pattern here

[stuck copper]

I don't care about collection anymore, but i will go for subs. I ignored them before, but i don't want to ignore them now

[wintry sonnet]

as long as I get my I-19, I can wait patiently to pull the rest

[stuck copper]

Yeah, i want specially her

[wintry sonnet]

I need more Yui Ogura's voice in my life

[stuck copper]

Yui Ogura has a pretty good voice

Aquan stop stealing my words

[wintry sonnet]

stealing

bruh

my PFP's been there for over 3 years

I'm the Yui Ogura guy

[oblique mantle]

Can’t beat that

[wintry sonnet]

I'll even watch the crappiest anime possible as long as she's lending her voice in it

[stuck copper]

I like her, but not that much, you won this time

[wintry sonnet]

fk I even watched that thing about dramatic shogi, just cause she has like 5 lines in the entire season

that said I still dont get why Yuubari's retrofit looks so lolified

[stuck copper]

She was the blonde loli there right?

[wintry sonnet]

she was petite before in her default art, but her retrofit makes her like like she had 10 years removed off her

oui

tbh she's thrown into the loli/pre-teen role alot

[stuck copper]

With that voice, it is hard not to

[wintry sonnet]

Taigei and Nimu in KC are one of the rarer examples of her voicing over a more adult character

which is a shame cause when she does it she does a really good work with that pitch line

still curious to see what Yuubari's retrofit skill will be

she starts off with exp bonus to CLs and firepower buff

[stuck copper]

Patch was tomorrow?

[wintry sonnet]

yea

JP should be getting her before our maint ends

[ornate mantle]

Patch is tomorrow.

[wintry sonnet]

there's a couple ways I can see it go

if they'll go with the historical refit, then she'll get some skill to do with anti-air

if they'll go with the experimental/engineer route, which seems likely since they gave her a wrench in her CG

then she might get some kind of repair skill

[dim crystal]

hmm

should i buy the chips with core data

or just save for shells

[stuck copper]

the month is still young

it would be another one before the shop resets

[dim crystal]

shells are like 800 each

hmmm

then again i'm running amagi

whos not into shells

[wintry sonnet]

at this point, it's still okay-ish to pick up chips

if you have specific ships you want to rush

otherwise, just stay put

[dim crystal]

nah, all my good ships are 110-ed

like tirpitz wash hood dork amagi

and the like

the pvp fleet are also 110-ed

spending limited resource to buy unlimited resource

like chips

is kinda???

thats why i came here to ask

[wintry sonnet]

but coredata is unlimited too

technically

you're always going to get them each day

the point is, do you feel like you need more chips

if you think you're good, there's no reason to pick them

if you do, right now is propably the best time to

since the core data shop is still pretty barebones for EN

you dont miss out on anything too crazy

later down the line when we get more stuff in it, it'll be less ideal to buy out chips

but for now? If you need extra boost in level cap, go for it imo

[dim crystal]

actually..

nevermind

lets save it

the month is still long

I'm auto 11-4 atm

for the exp

[wintry sonnet]

yup. And when nagato event comes up

we should get some good amount of chips out of it

iirc the non-rerun version had like 3,4k chips total

[stuck copper]

Shells are freaking expensive

[dim crystal]

wasd with shells

would be top tier

[stuck copper]

but you need fuckton of general plates to level it to a decent level

[dim crystal]

just imagine sodak's x2 damage skill

on CRIT shell

[stuck copper]

koko owari da

[dim crystal]

(i cant)

w11 give quite a lot of exp

grinding PR ships here wont take much time at all

[stuck copper]

I am listening to Enterprise's voice mod in WOWS

there is an event called "main battery fire", in which she said "owari da"

but I never encountered such event at all in-game

[ornate mantle]

Mines 100

I think her skill is 10 too.

[glacial snow]

When did rei leave

[ornate mantle]

Prepared for this day.

[glacial snow]

pepehands

[ornate mantle]

He said he wanted to recharge his salt so he can come back more toxic than ever.

Or some shit like that.

[stuck copper]

no need to do so

well, whatever he did, I respect his decision

[toxic scroll]

all i hearing

is preemptive block

got it

[ornate mantle]

LMAO

[stuck copper]

[ornate mantle]

Idk, blocking people is like... acknowledging their presence. Sounds like more of a hassle.

[toxic scroll]

and when they type something

a box comes up with "x blocked messages"

or something like that

[ornate mantle]

Yeah.

[toxic scroll]

that you gotta click if you wanna read it

[ornate mantle]

It’s such a weird way to go about blocking.

[toxic scroll]

it really is

[ornate mantle]

I guess it makes sense to keep context during conversations you’re not a part of.

[wintry sonnet]

what box

[ornate mantle]

But even that is iffy

[toxic scroll]

aquan you don't gotta lie

you blocked me