avrora-general

[stuck copper]

or this ~ ?

google says the wavey thing is called "tilde"

the other one is just... a diagonal dot or something lmao

i have no idea what i am talking about

I ran a 65 oil cost fleet for mobs in 10-4

[verbal obsidian]

what do i do with these zuizui dupes

rei: scrap them

[ornate mantle]

If you have a MLB zui.

Then yeah, I’d probably scrap em.

Unless you wanna MLB a second one for whatever reason.

[verbal obsidian]

of course i have mlb zui

[ornate mantle]

Do you want a second MLB zui?

[verbal obsidian]

[ornate mantle]

Do it man.

[verbal obsidian]

If i have two mlb zuis

does that mean twice the THIGHS

[ornate mantle]

Double death by thigh smash.

[stuck copper]

it is nothing special

[verbal obsidian]

A brother of culture

[stuck copper]

remind me of a doujin with twin Haruna(s)

[verbal obsidian]

[ornate mantle]

Oh man I heard him say that line, lol.

[verbal obsidian]

incredibilis

are you perhaps

a lolicon

[stuck copper]

me lolicon?

I am definitely not a lolicon, you can trust me!

[verbal obsidian]

[stuck copper]

Said all lolicons ever

[wintry sonnet]

well, this one's not april fools at least

aaand its gone

[stuck copper]

Hello there, I am totally not a suspicious lolicon, you can trust me.

"Hi~ are you my new commander? I'm Dace from the Eagle Union, reporting for duty. I believe in shooting torpedoes first, and asking questions later~"

[cosmic pier]

@stuck copper hey i dont say that

wait does that mean im not one

[stuck copper]

No you just admit to being one

[cosmic pier]

no i admit to being an everythingcon

just saying im a lolicon gives the wrong image

[stuck copper]

[cosmic pier]

also

[verbal obsidian]

rei s a lolicon

don't let him fool you razzle frazzle

[stuck copper]

I am a bit late, but Dace got actually killed

[cosmic pier]

@verbal obsidianur mom is a lolicon

[stuck copper]

wouldn't his mom be a shotacon?

[toxic scroll]

You think people are gonna get slapped for posting Dace in trophy room

I do

[ornate mantle]

How the hell do people already have 310 score

In PVP

yikes

Assuming devs are gonna do something about it?

Ah, that’s... okay

[stuck copper]

how many times has this happened now? thrice?

[cosmic pier]

wouldn't his mom be a shotacon? :laffeyDrink:```

its not like females cant be lolicons too

I mean look at ark

[stuck copper]

Oh god

yes. the real april fool's joke was me trying to make sense of it.

that logic made me think of something bad

[cosmic pier]

I see

[stuck copper]

i remembered that one female lolicon anime someone showed me.

[cosmic pier]

the maid one?

[stuck copper]

i have no idea. i watched the first episode and found it boring.

some girl who likes someone's sister, but she doesn't like her or something.

[ornate mantle]

Hmmmmmm

Dunno

[stuck copper]

didn't have enough ara ara for me

[cosmic pier]

I'll lock you up and ara ara you till

uh

idk

[stuck copper]

was it toradora that had that cute mom?

what do i know? i don't watch that stuff.

[cosmic pier]

[stuck copper]

devilman crybaby was rough

but i'm glad they made it

[verbal obsidian]

nah toradora, his mom was a big oneesan

its april, meaning its that time of year again

to watch your lie in april

[cosmic pier]

color my world up

[verbal obsidian]

it was one of the very few that made me tear up

that ending caught me off guard

[stuck copper]

is this one of those relationship dramas that could have been solved by having a proper talk for 5 minutes?

but they don't have it, so everything goes to shit

because those make me mad

[verbal obsidian]

its sort of like that

until the very end

[stuck copper]

okay

[verbal obsidian]

i hope it does too

im looking forward to that too

my top would be the final season to bakemonogatari

i forgot the title of the last one

[stuck copper]

nothing that catches my eye

[cosmic pier]

waiting for isekai quartet to save anime

[verbal obsidian]

w0t

thats already over

[cosmic pier]

wat

[verbal obsidian]

o woops

misread

[cosmic pier]

dummy

[verbal obsidian]

i saw quartet and thought "quintesstial quintuplets"

[stuck copper]

i rely heavily on recommendations. can't be assed to research every single show.

there's just too much stuff

[verbal obsidian]

watch "the promised neverland"

o read it

either or, its really good imo

[stuck copper]

looks at cover art

are you sure you're not a lolicon?

Nah, it is not about lolis, trust me

[cosmic pier]

yeah its got shotas too

[verbal obsidian]

its none of that perverted pedophile stuff

[stuck copper]

just pulling your leg. i've read made in abyss.

[cosmic pier]

what a lolicon

oh missed the new announcement

sad

[stuck copper]

i might invest in I-19. i like her artist's work.

Guess we need to start arresting some people

[wintry sonnet]

well, good news I guess

we should stop at subs

no other surprise additions

[stuck copper]

no sandy kai reeeeeeeeeeeee

[verbal obsidian]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/548478792163786752/MutsukiExplode.gif

[stuck copper]

Any hopes for Sandy kai reveal in 7 mins/1 hour?

Nope

[verbal obsidian]

Nope

[cosmic pier]

why hope for something I dont care bout

[verbal obsidian]

the only light at the end of the tunnel

that keeps me going

is the one day i see a zuikaku skin release

[cosmic pier]

[verbal obsidian]

[cosmic pier]

but yesterday you said you dont want it anymore

[verbal obsidian]

its not that i dont want it

my faith is beginning to fade

[cosmic pier]

then you werent ever a true believer

[verbal obsidian]

takao is a close number 2 to zui for me

sometimes u cant always win

[cosmic pier]

just dont ever lose

then you always win

[verbal obsidian]

haven't lost yet

just on the losing side

until yostar officially says fk the cranes

WHO IS THIS CRAZY, but trustworthy MAN?

[stuck copper]

poor torpedo protection

I was about to say Yamato, but... she is real

Yeah, bad to compare fake against real

hmm, but I think I might need to retract my words

the new was yesterday

damn

it has been 5 hours ago, and it is only 2 AM here

Lol

still, there is a possibility that the ships I listed might get into game

True

Iowa and Montana used a longer version of American 406 mm

which kind of shells will it use

Honestly

I doubt they'd use anything different than what we have

That or will be like massa

AP

just like 410 triple from Izumo

Lol

[wintry sonnet]

finally, Sendai getto

just as I bottomed out on oil

quite literally bottomed out

can't even sortie into a map with this oil

[stuck copper]

I will do something i hate doing, wasting oil for almost no reason

yeah, I am running 10-4 mindlessly for no reason

[wintry sonnet]

not gonna go for agano until I get back to like 8-9k

for the time being this guy'll just sit back, do the dailies and say fuck it

[verbal obsidian]

yeah ive spent a lot for agano and sendai

i still dont have either

[wintry sonnet]

well

I can tell for one

I'm pretty sure I spent about 10k less oil on Sendai

than I did on Columbia

there's not even a comparison

[verbal obsidian]

[wintry sonnet]

so right now I'm 2/3 on chapter 11 ships and both of them were absolutely painful to farm

here's hoping at least Agano won't twist my nutsack anymore, cause there sure ain't alot more oil left that I'm gonna throw

not with nagato event around the corner

[stuck copper]

Agano can wait

[wintry sonnet]

pretty much

it's up to her if she wants to sit in murky, dark waters of chapter 11

or come over to my heated, dry, filled with food dorms

[stuck copper]

if you are a pervert shikikan just wanting to lewd her then yeah

[wintry sonnet]

I'm always in the market for that, but she's safe for the moment

right now my priority is to have Yui Ogura's angelic voice caress my ear drums into a blissful lullaby

[verbal obsidian]

im trying to lewd her

[stuck copper]

I admit, Agano is beautiful

both AL and KC forms

[wintry sonnet]

they're both good

but...

the long/short sock combo just piques my curiosity a little more

• AL doesn't have glorious Noshiro hips yet

[stuck copper]

KC Agano is childish

but she has good doujins

Yahagi, too

[cosmic pier]

all w11 ships were pretty easy to get tho

like

just get lucky

[stuck copper]

[verbal obsidian]

who needs to be lucky

[ornate mantle]

Is there Lewd going on in here?

[verbal obsidian]

yeah

we're lewding you azu

[ornate mantle]

Hell yeah.

Hell yeah

[verbal obsidian]

[ornate mantle]

[verbal obsidian]

[ornate mantle]

I’m not worth leading though

[verbal obsidian]

black heart

[stuck copper]

what the heck is happening here?

[verbal obsidian]

we're lewding you

put on your seat belt

[stuck copper]

no

why the heck did I run 10-4 in the dead of night?

[oblique mantle]

Because your crazy

[verbal obsidian]

because youre trying to lewd jinnbae

and i approve

[oblique mantle]

You couldn’t handle your desire and it failed you

[stuck copper]

3 mins for sandy kai not getting announced

[verbal obsidian]

u got this down to a science huh, berserker-kun

dont say that

we have a minute left

[stuck copper]

I lost

I never stood a change

why 6?

6 months? more like 1 year

Also, the "no rerun" thing was until we got subs

And we have subs now 👀

[verbal obsidian]

[stuck copper]

Buuuuut, they could just ignore the fact that they said that and keep on with their "ignore reruns" politic

I wouldn't be surprised

In their letter

Give me the full image and i will point it out

Re-run is for fun

And for newbies to get their hands on the ships

nvm, i found it xd

Yeah, it says 120 too

I thought it said lv 110

I mean....lv 120 cap was released when subs were out

[verbal obsidian]

hehe pepega

[stuck copper]

And so was world 12

So in my mind subs = world 12 = lv 120

But subs were supposed to come out in 2 months, not now

At least by jp's schedule

Because they got nagato event before subs too

And we still didn't get nagato event

Also PR ships before Nagato event

Sub or not, I don't think it matters

We can do things just fine without subs

And EN's event has been rather erratic

Tbf we also aren't going from JP schedule

There is no telling what Yostar is planning

We've been going whatever the fuck they are releasing really

Cause for example

Ryuujou

From what I remember

This is what they said, if they keep their word or not is in their side.

Was released after 120 cap

Not before

But yeah, we still need lv 120 for that to be an argument

[tough burrow]

ryuujou is really recent for jp

[stuck copper]

Also read that thing carefully

But by the way that letter was writen, it would seem their first intention was "we will get 120, then subs, then rerun content"

[tough burrow]

but she's mini event

[stuck copper]

Yeah, Ryuujou is 4 months old in jp

"It was their intention"

Subs are 10 months old

Plans have probably changed

Now that Sirius for example

Got put in

They probably had to accommodate a different plan as a result

DON'T TRUST ANYONE

No but the thing is Rando

[tough burrow]

I think it's only relevant for big events with reruns and all that

[stuck copper]

Once you change 1 thing

We have VDiR way before level 120

Erratic

I don't care about Sirius, i never cared about her, i am not even using her

It means plans and their orders

Become more erratic

Like what may seem minor and insignficant

Partly due to community wanting to rush things

Can end up being a huge hassle to fit in

[tough burrow]

basically it reads as "we never had any intention to just skip original runs"

[stuck copper]

Something that a new player like me won't appreciate

Yeah maybe

It could have been

"OG stuff will still get rerun"

"But more recent stuff will wait"

Or something like that

[tough burrow]

don't think sirius changed anything

[stuck copper]

But yeah, Razzles is right about that. The letter sounds as if they had changed their plans, so my argument is a bit invalid

No but remember the amount of back and forth that happened

[tough burrow]

just forced them to release clear statement

[stuck copper]

As a result of it

I mean there was clearly a huge miscommunication between the team

As far as my statement goes in this matter... Yostar can do whatever the fuck they want, be it subs or level 120

My voice won't matter anyway, so I won't complain

Which may have forced them to adapt their plans

Now what i only care for is....EN Collab SKINS WHEN

I will just pick up the pace like everyone else does

Well things clearly changed

Since they haven't followed it exactly

Whether intentional or otherwise

VDiR is a slap to their faces

Level 120?

Is it a joke?

[tough burrow]

vdir already happened tho

[stuck copper]

VDiR may also have been done to buy them more time

To work on the other content

[tough burrow]

so there's nothing wrong with having a rerun

[stuck copper]

VDiR rerun was normal, this is what JP did at this point

"Only after level 120 and subs will we do re-run"

Yeah that's technically what they said

They said "re-run content"

Which means the plan changed

Ykk is rerun content

They meant first runs of events + rerun content inside them

All in one

Possibly

I saw the miscommunication between Yostar and devs

And it is safe to assume that nothing is true, and everything is permitted, literally

Yeah honestly though

The fact they stopped releasing dates

[tough burrow]

not like it changes much for players

[stuck copper]

Says a lot about how the previous events caused issues

[verbal obsidian]

why cant we all be happy

[tough burrow]

we are

[stuck copper]

As you said Restart

[verbal obsidian]

[stuck copper]

Yeah, we're just discussing possibilities

I mean either way

We're getting everything

Whether now or later

I am now like "GetUsedToIt"

As long as we get the big stuff out the way

:riandaGetUsedToIt:

So we can slow down into a more reasonable pace for most

As Restart once stated, the current pace is a compromise between two factions

Yeah since they don't want it too fast people can't keep up

But fast enough that we actually catch up

[verbal obsidian]

[stuck copper]

Otherwise we'd never catch up

Personally, I am fine with EN having its own pace, not trying to catch up, but to pick up things along the way

Well they want to equalize the servers

Like with Crimson Echoes

[tough burrow]

we're trying to catch up but at a reasonable pace

[stuck copper]

Yeah

They basically don't want to do an FGO

Amagi was a mistake

Where one server is massively infront

[tough burrow]

game still has to be enjoyable

[stuck copper]

And the other is forever behind

No, Amagi is a sick fox

I mean I can see why they want to equalize

It makes patching a 1000x easier

[tough burrow]

i just hope we'll continue getting new events

[stuck copper]

Because you're all using the same client more or less

Just different languages

So it's a lot easier to fix issues

Unlike if you're in front or behind

[cosmic pier]

you just gotta restart their plans to its first state

[stuck copper]

Where you're working on a different client

[cosmic pier]

[stuck copper]

I just hope we don't get German event rerun before getting Nagato/PRs

I assume Nagato first

Since we're already on a rerun

Next event is likely Nagato

I doubt they'd throw another rerun already

[verbal obsidian]

[toxic scroll]

didn't we also say that

before

and then we got VDiR rerun

[stuck copper]

Trust no one, not even devs

[toxic scroll]

but

[stuck copper]

HMS event though

Was a bit different

[toxic scroll]

the KMS event wasn't really that long ago

[stuck copper]

We weren't supposed to get the new stuff remember

"Wargaming promised not to sell E 25 again, and that is why they are fucking selling it again", on my side

[tough burrow]

we kinda did tho

with ce

[stuck copper]

We only did because people bitched and complained

[toxic scroll]

if for some stupid reason we get the maid battle royale first

i'm quitting

legit

[stuck copper]

CE though technically was a new event

Not a rerun

[tough burrow]

ye

We we're supposed to get the new stuff remember

[toxic scroll]

but that was new

[stuck copper]

Shit I typed that wrong

[toxic scroll]

for everyone

including other servers

[stuck copper]

Fixed

Amagi is a blessing to my poor fleet, which is over-relying on Hood

[toxic scroll]

also raz i like the new PfP

[stuck copper]

Like CE was new, WC was supposed to be old without the new

Then we have a proper rerun for VDiR

And thank you

[toxic scroll]

just give us Ink-Stained Steel Sakura

[stuck copper]

I won't mind the re-run, but they ate their words, correct?

Kind of

[toxic scroll]

yes and no

[stuck copper]

But then again

There was still a lot of dev miscommunication at that time

Easily could have been interpreted wrong

Just fire the entire translation team

[tough burrow]

eh, I don't like speculating what's next when we have no way of knowing

[stuck copper]

We know one thing Restart

We're getting botes

I will be happy if we get the seaslug, but i doubt we will get it

And having an international team like Frontwing studio

[tough burrow]

isn't there like a whole event we missing?

[toxic scroll]

guys quick, kidnap intern-kun

he'll tell us

[stuck copper]

Event we're missing

Mikasa

[wintry sonnet]

nothing wrong with playing some fantasy update football

[tough burrow]

ye

[stuck copper]

Mikasa, Ink stained and French botes

Are the big ones

We still haven't had yet

[toxic scroll]

Mikasa is war god event right?

[tough burrow]

I mean in terms of schedule

[stuck copper]

Mikasa isn't "big"

Mikasa is the first nagato before nagato

I'd say that's pretty big

[tough burrow]

mikasa was supposed to be long ago iirc

[stuck copper]

It really was

Yeah, but we got German event instead

We went CN route

[wintry sonnet]

you know, I'm gonna bet this time for something more unorthodox

[stuck copper]

I mean not

We got FW*

[wintry sonnet]

after we get the submarine update, week later we'll get the PR ships

and week after that we'll get the nagato event

[tough burrow]

[stuck copper]

JP didn't get FW's first run and CN didn't get Mikasa's first run

So, we went CN's route and sacrificed Mikasa

The issue with FW though

Is if I recall

Wasn't that a rerelease

With the revamped stuff

[tough burrow]

I bet we'll get some mini as well before next big one

[stuck copper]

Making it a rather unique event in that sense

And lose some more cubes

Because of certain artist being big poo poo head

[tough burrow]

fw was technically first for jp

[wintry sonnet]

the mini event I suppose will depend on wheter or not they consider this rerun to be a "mini event"

or a proper one

[stuck copper]

Yeah, jp got the rerun version as their first run

In sync with EN and CN

[tough burrow]

nah vdir def big event

[stuck copper]

Well, Winter Crown is first run with re-run content, right?

Like, Sirius wasn't supposed to be here

Speed farming to get Zkk because I didn't get her earlier

[tough burrow]

ye

[wintry sonnet]

technically FW was the first due to us having Minnie, but on a more proper scale, KMS event had new ships, minus the submarines

so that's sort of the first "rerun" event we had

a proto-rerun if you may

[stuck copper]

Tbf WC was weird anyway

[toxic scroll]

didn't JP get nagato before subs

or am i remembering wrong

[stuck copper]

They swapped gren with matchless

Well, at least EN didn't follow JP anymore

Nagato might have been before subs wubs

EN is now like a directionless ship

[wintry sonnet]

for JP Nagato event happened prior to submarines

[tough burrow]

my theory is that dc was an experiment after which they decided fuck semi-reruns

[toxic scroll]

but we're getting them before nagato event apparently

[stuck copper]

Lol

[wintry sonnet]

yeah, I think we can safely discard nagato happening before subs

[stuck copper]

DC?

[wintry sonnet]

considering the tweets

[stuck copper]

Divergent Chessboard

[tough burrow]

kms event

[stuck copper]

Aka KMS

[toxic scroll]

DC was an offshoot OC

[stuck copper]

Aka Opposite Coloured

Too used to JP names

I don't believe Intern-kun

[wintry sonnet]

so, I guess we wait for another leaked event icon with I-13

and us getting the rerun after the sub update

[stuck copper]

Oh, and i said Mikasa event isn't big because it doesn't even have a map

Lol no Aquan

[toxic scroll]

i mean remember

[wintry sonnet]

I'm just sayin, history likes to repeat itself

[toxic scroll]

only reason we got sirius

was because of the bad patch update

[wintry sonnet]

remember the DST happening twice and having the exact same bugs each time

[toxic scroll]

that some players got the icon and whatever

[stuck copper]

Yeah WC was honestly

Sirius' bug is deliberately

A big mess

I'd say

[toxic scroll]

which created a bigger mess

[stuck copper]

Fire the communication team

I'm going to be honest but

[toxic scroll]

i partially blame the players for the WC fiasco tbh

[stuck copper]

How do the communication team make so many mistakes lol

[toxic scroll]

people went crazy

but the communications team

man

i don't even want to start

[wintry sonnet]

tbh I would've done PR ships before a big event, given how you need to do alot of farming in order to even get the ball rolling

[stuck copper]

It's happened quite a lot hasn't it

AL devs is incredibly generous

[wintry sonnet]

and Nagato'll be a great excuse for it given the amount of chips you can get from milestones

[stuck copper]

Yeah I do agree there Aquan

[wintry sonnet]

so you're killing multiple birds with one stone

[stuck copper]

PRs 2nd part is coming to JP soon, we should be getting them soon too

They listened to players, even though some of them are... unreasonable for me

Would have been better to do it before 110 cap

Rather than after

[toxic scroll]

but they had the 110 cap

before nagato

i thought

[stuck copper]

No I'm referring to PR

[toxic scroll]

ah

[stuck copper]

Since you need like 2mil exp for it

Would have been better for increased cap then

[wintry sonnet]

anywho, subs first, pr ships week after, event week after that is my bet

[stuck copper]

Since people would be farming both at once

[wintry sonnet]

if they're going for optimal

[stuck copper]

What happened with Sirius, I didn't understand why devs decide to concede to players' demand

Let me explain

[toxic scroll]

because the player's went batshit crazy

[stuck copper]

If they did nothing to appease the player base after that outrage

Not all of us here had high expectation for Sirius anyway

Just imagine what players would have done

No we didn't but

As the saying goes

The ones that scream the loudest are the ones most heard

[wintry sonnet]

so the timeline's basically this: Started off with Intern going on about how we're gonna get all the ships, which may or may not have referred to the CNY event that was going on, but then again he was referring to a specific reddit post that was talking WC

[toxic scroll]

i want to know though, why use the Sirius icon, if we weren't going to get her at first

like

[stuck copper]

I don't like this kind of appeal

[tough burrow]

it would've been fine if not for that bug when they leaked event icon with sirius

[toxic scroll]

that would've cleared it up a lot if they didn't use a sirius icon

[stuck copper]

Because it was a test build Uru

[tough burrow]

and now imagine event comes

[stuck copper]

It wasn't the actual live build

Just like how WG fucked up Duke of York in wows

[tough burrow]

and there's no sirius

[wintry sonnet]

Then the teasers rolled out and we found out that for whattever reason there's no sirius in patch notes and Grenvile's replaced Matchless

[stuck copper]

It got leaked onto the live servers

Which is where the issue lies

[wintry sonnet]

and then a bug happened that accidently leaked test server icons into some clients

showing the sirius icon

[stuck copper]

Part of the test build got implanted into the actual client

[wintry sonnet]

which I guess was a placeholder at a time

[stuck copper]

I saw the collection list and the 2 girls missing were Sirius and Matchless lol, i even said in my guild "Sirius icon is missing from collection, but the other girls are there"

Cause while yes we weren't supposed to get it

But when translations and shit are done

They still have to test it on a test server

That was like 12 hours before the patch notes

To ensure it works for when it DOES go live

Because even something like translating

Changes files

[wintry sonnet]

but yea, people saw sirius missing, she was in the event icon, devs went dark and didnt explain it for like 1-2 days

[stuck copper]

Slight file changes

[wintry sonnet]

Rabble rabble rabble inbetween

[stuck copper]

Can cause things to fail entirely

[ornate mantle]

Tbh, I just want I-13 ASAP

[stuck copper]

When it comes to coding

[wintry sonnet]

and they decided to run all the ships this one time

[ornate mantle]

I’d hate to wait.

A whole 6ish months.

[stuck copper]

So basically translated test server ver to test to ensure it worked

[wintry sonnet]

the issue imo is less that there are coding issues

[stuck copper]

Got merged with live

Big kablooey

People cried

[wintry sonnet]

and more that the test server is not its own sealed enviroment

[verbal obsidian]

boy i sure do hope someone leaks a zuizui skin

[wintry sonnet]

instead its plastered over the main client

[stuck copper]

Yeah the only thing different from the main / test

[ornate mantle]

I DO SURE HOPE SOMEONE “LEAKS” I-13

[stuck copper]

Is that the test is privately hosted

One someone from the devs decided to fuck up things

It's amazingly easy for both to merge into one

[ornate mantle]

Now now

Don’t get pissy.

[wintry sonnet]

I mean just a reminder

one of the first examples of the test branch leaking

was when we got the cat building

[stuck copper]

Also it would have been for legal reasons too

[wintry sonnet]

even tho we shouldn't be anywhere near the timeline when its added

[stuck copper]

Because if they showed sirius

Then didn't give

Just like localhost on my computer and online web hosting, nothing can happen unless I give the directive

That could be construed as false advertisement

Which is part of why they did it

It's so people can't use it against them

How many people are in devs team at highest?

I mean all we need to say to prove it

No Man's Sky

Anyone remember how that went down

Due to false advertising

[ornate mantle]

I don’t even remember it going up

[wintry sonnet]

tbh if they just came out and said "We fucked up, some of the test client placeholders leaked out into main client, we aren't actually rolling Sirius yet, our policy is this and that", people would still complain but at least there'd be an explanation

[stuck copper]

Yeah... not a good thing to have on your neck

I don't feel anything at all

[wintry sonnet]

instead we had a day-two of silence

while the mods purged anyone even mentioning sirius by name

[stuck copper]

The issue there though

Was part of the fact

The communication

If Sirius comes, I'd gladly take her hand, if she didn't, that's fine

Had fucked up majorly

I mean even intern

Had no idea what was happening

The loudest aren't always the most reasonable ones

[ornate mantle]

The second great AL purge.

[stuck copper]

I would had gladly accepted 100 apologems instead of adding Sirius to the event.

Especially when intern said

"I think that's the case"

That doesn't scream confidence to me

[ornate mantle]

I’d prefer to have sirius.

[stuck copper]

@stuck copper:

So if anything the team need to communicate better so it doesn't explode like that

I don't care about Sirius

[tough burrow]

instead its plastered over the main client problem is that main is a fucking mesh of all the other clients and new features just disabled

[stuck copper]

Yeah this

Basically think of the client

Like a game demo

[tough burrow]

remember when we got mewficers and sub ui on accident

[stuck copper]

Where you have the other shit disabled

[wintry sonnet]

yeah that's what I meant when I said one of the first leaks we had was the cat academy in chinese

[stuck copper]

Because that's how game demos work

Yostar didn't manage the server directly and physically

Hence why demos usually

Have to download the entire game

Because it's just the full game but limited

Same kind of deal here

Hence why in comms

"It says submarines"

[verbal obsidian]

[stuck copper]

Despite the fact we've never had subs since the beginning

[wintry sonnet]

Honestly I'm still confused as to the neccessity of jamming everything into one client instead of having a complete separate server just for testing enviroment

I mean with 100 beta testers + the staff you'd have plenty a sample size

[stuck copper]

Well, the statement is "after subs and lvl.120, re-run will come"

[tough burrow]

it makes it easier to actually work with future content and patching the game

[stuck copper]

Because the issue with a separate server is that

Ignoring VDiR, let's see how things will be done in Thursdays

What works in said test server

May not work when it's moved to the actual client

[wintry sonnet]

I mean yes, it makes the updates easier to roll if you already test them on top of the existing server, but clearly there are issues. Massive issues in fact, like that whole gem fiasco

[stuck copper]

Hence why by testing it on the actual client

It's less likely to go poof

[tough burrow]

May not work when it's moved to the actual client absolutely this

even like that

we had several issues when we report a problem to staff

and they like " wtf it worked perfectly on test"

[wintry sonnet]

see, the argument of "it may not work when it's moved to the actual client" is sensible

except for the part it doesnt work anyway

[stuck copper]

Cause the thing as well for good example

[wintry sonnet]

otherwise what are all those bugs

[stuck copper]

If you use a pc at any point

Every time you do something

Files are changed

Whether you see it or not

So one day it could work perfectly

There are problems when it comes to live server, contrast to how it worked in test server

And the next it could die horribly

But if only the architectures are different

That's the issues when you change any files

The issue with live / test

Is that the base files you work with

Aren't entirely the same

Which means when you move it over

Some of those files may decide

[ornate mantle]

High level conversation is nice.

[stuck copper]

They want to die

Which is where big problems happen

[tough burrow]

I mean with 100 beta testers + the staff you'd have plenty a sample size that is irrelevant btw. that client was just client test, there was no new content

[stuck copper]

The test server should be configured the same way as live server before uploading patch

Exactly Cred

[tough burrow]

just general performance and sdk improvements

[stuck copper]

By mimicking live server as much as possible

You get a much better idea

Of if it's gonna work or not

Before sending it out

[tough burrow]

100 beta testers don't have access to actual test server

only staff does

[stuck copper]

It might not remove the differences and defects completely, but it will reduce the errors and bugs when it goes live with actual bandwidth and traffic

[wintry sonnet]

here's the thing tho, if you first iron out the code in a testing enviroment, then when merging it on the main client you have much less to work with, since if there are conflicts, you have a narrower window of possibilities. If you instead jam everything at once, you then have ot figure out what the exact issue is. Is it the coding conflicting with old code? Is it something wrong with the new code?

The bigger the concoction the more unstable it'll be

and the harder it'll be to pinpoint what exactly went wrong

[stuck copper]

But that's why by making the server as close as possible

They can iron out most of the issues before it ever goes live

The main stuff you can't account for are obviously

[wintry sonnet]

which again, clearly doest not work at best of times

[stuck copper]

@wintry sonnet: it is the matter of similarity, both server should be as close to each other as possible

Mass bandwith

It also actually makes things easier in that

By it being more or less a clone

You actually have more usability with it

[wintry sonnet]

You're still ignoring the fact that the current system doesn't work properly and only causes bigger issues

[stuck copper]

If anything fucks up

Aquan the thing is

There's no sure fire way

To stop bugs

Ever

Like at all

You can minimize sure

But there will be issues

I had my lesson once. I set my localhost's PHP version to 7.x, but the live hosting's one is just 5.x. The result is my website got fucked up.

[tough burrow]

also we don't know how many problems it prevents

[wintry sonnet]

but you can try to limit the amount of symptoms you have to deal with in the same moment

[tough burrow]

there's no way to calculate what-ifs

[stuck copper]

Another thing to remember too

Is that

When you fix one thing

You don't know how many more issues you've just made

As a result

Because coding is definitely not so simple

Where you can just fix something

And everything is peachy

Chances are something else goes wrong

[wintry sonnet]

And yet we see plenty of games having separate testing enviroments and somehow managing.

[stuck copper]

From what I know, the difference should be possible if the hardware vary from machine to machine

Nah even those games have issues

I've played lots of different games

None of them have been bug free

[wintry sonnet]

as far as I'm concerned having all the clients jammed into one is not a matter of convenience, it seems more like a matter of laziness

[stuck copper]

Ever

Biological clone should have diversity, but machine ones shouldn't

It's not to say it can't work

[wintry sonnet]

it's easier to just roll everything together and then just hit it with the spanner till it works

[stuck copper]

But you're probably forgetting

AL isn't also as big

As some of these other companies

When people have money to literally throw away

Yeah separate servers is easy as hell

But not all companies have that kind of money to just throw away

[wintry sonnet]

You dont need money tho

[stuck copper]

Especially with AL being a much newer IP than a lot of games

Servers cost money to run

All servers cost money to run infact

[wintry sonnet]

1 small server's hardly going to be a massive budget strain

• you have a community willing to help you out

[stuck copper]

Most bulk testing

[wintry sonnet]

so you avoid a brunt of the money on beta testing

[stuck copper]

Isn't done by the community

Alpha testing is usually done in house

Which is the brunt of bug fixing

And ensuring things work properly

Beta testing is just stamping out the little things that get through

[wintry sonnet]

but we aren't doing alpha testing

[stuck copper]

Except the thing is

Alpha testing where most of it's done

Is still done in a controlled environment

Completely different ballgame when it's out in the open

[wintry sonnet]

so you're saying they have a server enviroment to conduct those tests

[stuck copper]

Only difference is usage

[wintry sonnet]

100 extra people is not going to explode a server

if it would, then you must've bought a really bad server

[stuck copper]

The thing is those tests are usually done on a thing called LAN

Completely different when actually connecting world wide is involved

Especially since lag

Can actually cause bugs

At least AL doesn't

[wintry sonnet]

Right, I'm still not hearing arguments as to why the status quo is fine

when it clearly has problems

[stuck copper]

All testing

AL don't incorporate anything requires latency

Has problems

[tough burrow]

(a lot of problems are caused by server desync in fact)

[stuck copper]

Latency

Exists

As long as you have to connect

To the web

To play it

Not synchronization, but latency, say, the response time between server and client

Well it is desync

It's when it doesn't match up what the server is doing

[tough burrow]

your stupid ass phone thinks this commission took only 50 minutes while server knows it was 52 and these kind of things pile up

[stuck copper]

Yeah every time

You do something in game

That has to send that message to the server

Reverse Restart

It has to do those requests

My phone said 52 minutes

Server said 50

For every single thing you and every other person does

[tough burrow]

also possible

still the same issue

[wintry sonnet]

isn't that just spaghetti code failing to count

[stuck copper]

Not so much

[wintry sonnet]

I mean if the game doesnt update the timer, then the timer should just count down on its own

[stuck copper]

Everything you do

Has to basically go through a process

If any part of the process fails

Or goes to slow to keep up

The game ends up desyncing

Well, the possibilities of threads deadlocking each other is real, if CPU got fucked up and can't handle the program threads

Cause it hasn't had time to register what has occurred

I mean the best example

When you send a message to discord

And times it just stops

And takes like 1-2 minutes to send

Despite the fact you sent the request 1-2 minutes before

That's one of the things about programming

It will not appear at its rightful place, I get you

It's not as easy as just

"Just do this"

Because more often than not a number of things

Can and will break things

And AL didn't have any risk from that, even for PvP. Because the game is mostly single player, TCP can be enforced instead of UDP

The game though

Except chat

Still has to send messages to and from the server

Hence why if your connection dies

The game kicks you out

Which is processed real-time in a queue

[wintry sonnet]

to an extent

[stuck copper]

But you have to remember

TCP

That queue still exists for every single request you do

TCP didn't allow even a single packet loss

As well as every other player

Which can mess things up

Best way to look at it

Is like a traffic jam

You get too much traffic and no one is going anywhere

Traffic jam is still some sort of queue

[wintry sonnet]

sounds like an easy solution, if you have a traffic jam you direct the traffic to another lane

[stuck copper]

First in first out

While yes it's simple in that

[wintry sonnet]

and dont give me the money argument

[stuck copper]

FIFO

[wintry sonnet]

the game's doing fine

[stuck copper]

It still causes problems

[wintry sonnet]

they can afford to upgrade the infrastructure if the servers aren't keeping up

[stuck copper]

And that's just talking about connection

Not anything file based

[wintry sonnet]

some things you can't just fix with duct tape and good wishes

and at the rate we are now, the game'll keep growing hopefully

[stuck copper]

But yeah the main issue with games and bugs

[wintry sonnet]

which means at some point we're gonna end up in such a clusterfuck of a jam, the server will just start giving up

[stuck copper]

Is that because programming is like it is

Yes, just don't throw too many things at once

And the fact all files constantly change

When doing things

All it takes is for a file to become unreadable

Files don't change

For whatever reason

The data in memory does

Actually files do change

If files changed, that means A VERY BIG COMPROMISE

Because remember that little thing called the registry

It changes constantly

[wintry sonnet]

to be honest, it propably doesnt help that alot of the old bugs are still in the system, introducing even more opportunities for the code to get twisted

[stuck copper]

Rememeber when Half-Life refuses to run if it is infected with virus?

That's why things that work and one point may not at another

[wintry sonnet]

I mean, launch ceremony's still bugged to all hell. The misplaced Names on result screen, still there. Now we got the PVP just rushing 2 hours ahead of itself

[stuck copper]

Saying a virus is something that literally changes files for a different purpose

And even so, patching can fail if checksums failed

Viruses are literally aimed to make things not function

The source code or assets fine shouldn't change at all, unless there is a patching command

That's like the whole purpose of them

[cosmic pier]

someone sent a pic of getting a sandy from that commi earlier but given it was just a sandy it might have been just a well done photoshop n all that

[stuck copper]

I don't mean the base files in that sense cred

I mean the like the ram data files

Stuff that consistently changes

sandy on aprils fool for a commission that obviously doesn't work

Well, in your case, is is page file or temporary files

Yeah

I've had things

[verbal obsidian]

[stuck copper]

Become unreadable one day

When the day before they worked fine

[wintry sonnet]

I had things become unreadable one day

so I bought glasses

[cosmic pier]

damn

[stuck copper]

Lol

Lmao

How did that happen?

[wintry sonnet]

desktop work, turns out, not very good for the eyes

doesnt help that we cant have proper lightbulbs

[stuck copper]

That's strange

[wintry sonnet]

cause we are limited to only like 60W

[stuck copper]

I have 20/20 vision

And I use a laptop like

99% of the time

I thought it was twisted due to bad sectors on HDD/SSD

[ornate mantle]

Starting to think the bonus wasn’t applied to me

[stuck copper]

I will try to sleep now

Yeah I gave up

[ornate mantle]

[stuck copper]

No they said

My head is splitting like hell

After a few days

Even so

It doesn't make up for it

75

[wintry sonnet]

yeah the bonus is gonna be rolled overtime

[ornate mantle]

Yeah.

[stuck copper]

Doesn't make up for the amount lost

Because of such things

[ornate mantle]

This sucks.

[stuck copper]

I just stopped bothering

I mean the fact they gave us 110

And you just got people like

[ornate mantle]

I still have 2 uses.

[stuck copper]

"Akagami 110"

Instantly

Turned it into

[ornate mantle]

I mean, they play how they wanna play, lmao.

[stuck copper]

"Who has the best mainfleet for pvp"

Yeah but you basically lose

Not because of having a worse fleet

But literally cause they powerleveled first

Which is dumb

[ornate mantle]

I guess lmao.

I still wanna try.

[cosmic pier]

just

dont lose

its that easy

[wintry sonnet]

you know, sometimes I wonder

[stuck copper]

Part of the reason

[wintry sonnet]

how many of those top level people

[stuck copper]

I'm just focusing on leveling

[wintry sonnet]

have actually just put up their macros to set and forget

[ornate mantle]

I mean, I usually don’t bother with PVP

[stuck copper]

Funny thing is Aquan

[wintry sonnet]

cause the amount of points they make, you wouldn't think they're able to play this amount of time

[ornate mantle]

But I thought id give it a shot.

[stuck copper]

To get numbah 1

It's actually better

To not spam pvp instantly

[wintry sonnet]

I'm not talking pvp

I'm talking levels

[stuck copper]

Oh that

Probably

Cause having a full 110 team

I will never care about pvp unless they add a real reward