avrora-general

[crisp palm]

touhou is a prime example

[stuck copper]

Stats and level matter

If you're lower level

You're gonna get trounced

ye

But once you hit max

Gear is the only important thing then

[real ingot]

Problably is the gear then since my girls...or atleast the ones I use are 98+ and im just getting my ass handed to me lol

[stuck copper]

Show gear

[real ingot]

Lemme pile them all up on Imgur lol

[stuck copper]

But yeah gear is the biggest wall in this game

Like if you get max gear

And stick it on a bote

They'll have next to no issues with anything a few levels above

Or lower level than them

That's how much difference gear makes

[wintry sonnet]

thing is, I know nothing about touhou

outside of research books

[stuck copper]

touhou is so harddddd

i dont like bullet hell

[wintry sonnet]

Tyrian is as far as I got in terms of shmups

[stuck copper]

i like some of the character designs

[crisp palm]

@wintry sonnet https://youtu.be/zmyDrJJaLoo?t=101

enjoy

[wintry sonnet]

I mean I know what the games are like

I mean I dont know touhou in terms of characters

[crisp palm]

neither do i lol

iam not that hard core

aside from research material

[wintry sonnet]

same

propably would've done better with the ex maps had I possessed some touhou experience

but I cleared it and managed to S rank so I'll take it

even got to top 100 for now

[crisp palm]

or be born an asian

[real ingot]

Current Ship builds https://imgur.com/a/WakDZRy

@stuck copper should be easier to see than spammed in this channel lol

[stuck copper]

Well first

I see a severe lack of golds

[real ingot]

oh. lol

was going off of some guides I found

and rumors here and there lol

[stuck copper]

Ok first

Saratoga

You preferably want double helldiver bombers on her

Btw see that DD gun you're using on laffey

That's pretty much BiS for most botes that don't shot activation procs

[real ingot]

BiS?

[dreamy turtle]

best in slot

[real ingot]

Ah

[stuck copper]

Ok

SG Radar

Should be on BB's really

Unless you have lots in reserve

[real ingot]

What would I replace it with then?

[crisp palm]

for pve or pvp

my first advice for you is to spam 3-2 when you have the time

[stuck copper]

^

Helldivers have the largest boomboxes

And as far as replacing

First

What do you have aux wise?

Aux's are some of the biggest pains in the ass but help the most

[crisp palm]

after that go camp 6-4 or 6-1 for plates to upgrade gear

i recommend 6-4

for the quad torp

you are lacking in good torp on CA and DD

also replace rodney and nelson secondary with either belgun or tbtsk

[real ingot]

Aux wise I have this so far, cant show the equipped ones unless there is a way

[stuck copper]

You need to replace that DD secondary in Helena/Cleve

[crisp palm]

if you short on both farm 4-2 or 6-2 for them

[stuck copper]

Use A T Bulg

That shit will help a lot for survivability

[crisp palm]

remind me again what w are you on?

[stuck copper]

That Nelson/Rodney secondary is good vs suicide botes in general

[crisp palm]

cus i seriously doubt you are above 8

tbtsk are better

[real ingot]

Im at 9-3

[stuck copper]

........................

[crisp palm]

with those kind of gear?

[stuck copper]

Wut

[crisp palm]

gg

[stuck copper]

That's impressive in more ways than one

[zinc smelt]

how much are you paying for each fight?

[crisp palm]

first advice is to farm 3-2 asap

[zinc smelt]

also grind the event

before 7+ maps

[crisp palm]

after you done farming around 10 hell diver then switch to 4-2 or 6-4

depend on what you need

[real ingot]

been grinding C2 for the gold 155s

[crisp palm]

the belgun?

good choice

[stuck copper]

1346 oil <

I'm assuming lots

[real ingot]

71 and 70 oil

[zinc smelt]

get to 40k points or something like that before moving back to story

also never spend more than 40-50 for each fleet

lel

if you cant clear with that much expense you may want to go back and improve ship comp/ equip levels first

[real ingot]

and thats why I asked lol

[stuck copper]

I mean the fact you've pushed further than me

Means I'd have no problems then

[crisp palm]

the problem atm is that you don't have the gear to field your ship

good gear i might add

[zinc smelt]

^

[real ingot]

Im assuming for Cleve and Helena, the DD gun would be the 127 golds?

[crisp palm]

even if we give you name of nest gear for each ship

[stuck copper]

127 gold yes

The only gun better

Is french toast gun

[crisp palm]

you still need to farm them

[stuck copper]

But we haven't had french event yet

[crisp palm]

for cleve and helena tbtsk and gold twin 127

[zinc smelt]

ikr

[crisp palm]

you got single 127 or purple 127?

[real ingot]

tbtsk?

[zinc smelt]

i so wish for french event to come soon

[stuck copper]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Twin_150mm_(TbtsK_C/36)#Type 3

This

The one you are using right now

[real ingot]

I have 6 purple 127s and 1 single 127

[stuck copper]

Purples are fine

[real ingot]

oh lol

[stuck copper]

Purples are generally

Transition gear

[crisp palm]

use purple 127 on both of them

[stuck copper]

Since golds can take a fucking long time

[crisp palm]

after you get gold ditch them

[stuck copper]

Depending on if you get lucky from boxes

Since farming BP

Is 15 per piece

[real ingot]

ah ok

[stuck copper]

And drop rates

Are pretty low

[crisp palm]

for your CV honestly go farm 3-2

that's all i can say

[real ingot]

problably need one more Helldiver then for Lexington

[stuck copper]

Yeah they are double diver botes

[zinc smelt]

[crisp palm]

you need at least this much to field every single CV in the game lel

[real ingot]

Oh all of them lol thought it was just a specialty for Sara/Lexi

[stuck copper]

Well not really

[zinc smelt]

what are you doing with 24 helldivers?

lel

[stuck copper]

That's a bit overkill lol

[crisp palm]

not having to switch gear

[stuck copper]

Remember

[zinc smelt]

[stuck copper]

We're not advising him on not switching

We're helping him get an actual working gear loadout first

[crisp palm]

yes but he still need to farm 3-2 regardless

the amount is up to him

[stuck copper]

Once he can farm things easily

[crisp palm]

but i say around 10 is good enough

[stuck copper]

Then you go for lots and lots

You won't even be using carrier in late-game worlds anyways

Excuse you?

[real ingot]

unless im blind, dont think I can equip laffey with Anti Torp Bulge lol

[stuck copper]

W12 literally does use carriers

[crisp palm]

@real ingot no you can't

DD can't equip bulge

[stuck copper]

Basically DD can't equip certain gear

[real ingot]

ah I must have misunderstood then lol

[stuck copper]

But CL can't equip certain gear either

Only CA's

Don't give a fuck about what they equip in that sense

But you'll rarely use them since they have issues in later worlds

[crisp palm]

CA need 120

[stuck copper]

Let me correct: your carriers won't do shit damage in late game worlds*

CA literally fall flat without them

[crisp palm]

when they get 120 you field them everywhere

[stuck copper]

Since evade

From 101-120

Rockets

Prior to that they're pretty meh

At least during high worlds currently

[crisp palm]

not really meh but rather they need baby sit

not really a problem

[real ingot]

Think someone said to replace Rodney/Nelsons 152 secondaries?

[stuck copper]

Yes

CL guns

Certain BB's

Can use CL guns

Which PvE wise

[crisp palm]

yes with tbtsk or belgun

[stuck copper]

Are generally better than DD guns

Since it's not damage you want

It's one shotting capability

For suicide botes

[real ingot]

Ah ok

[stuck copper]

While DD guns are generally taking for DPS

CL guns are only used on most frontlines because those botes have no other choice but to do so

Hence why botes like Sandy and such use DD guns

Since they can use both

[zinc smelt]

and remember

use DDs

they are the best botes

and the cutest

[stuck copper]

For going to prison for

[real ingot]

ah right forgot to show my fleet setup lol

[stuck copper]

Oh right

Bote position

Makes a huge difference

Fleet wise

[zinc smelt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/481019977873489920/535080319469092865/image0.png?width=962&height=370

base D3 grind team

[real ingot]

hopefully it isnt a issue since its two screenshots lol

[crisp palm]

both helena and cleve should be at bottom

[stuck copper]

should be fine. it's related to the discussion.

[crisp palm]

back line is ok at it is

[stuck copper]

Yeah backline is usually

[zinc smelt]

^

[stuck copper]

"Damage / Tankiest / Damage"

While frontline is usually "Tankiest / Squishiest / Off Tank"

From bottom ascending

[real ingot]

so from bottom left to top right, CL + DD + CA?

[zinc smelt]

yeah

[stuck copper]

pretty much

[zinc smelt]

or you may go the correct route

and play DD / DD / DD

[crisp palm]

the only exception to that rule is pudding

you would want pudding at bottom

and port kai when we get her

[real ingot]

I used to field 3 DDs till someone told me other wise lol

[stuck copper]

Basically

High Hp / Evade

Goes to bottom

[zinc smelt]

i always do that

[stuck copper]

Since it means they tank more just because natural dodging

[zinc smelt]

even while PvP-ing

[stuck copper]

And their hp proteccs them

[real ingot]

Ah

[stuck copper]

Port Kai is considered a god among CA's

Due to her 70+ Evade

And 4k + hp

[crisp palm]

for def at least

mogami take the off throne

[zinc smelt]

she got like 5k+ hp

[stuck copper]

She has pretty much pre 100 CL level evade

[zinc smelt]

iirc

[stuck copper]

Well technically

Probably closer to 6k

If you use gear

[zinc smelt]

yeah i meant without equip

[stuck copper]

But yeah she's fucking beefy

Does a ton of damage

• is a gunbote

Meaning double guns

[zinc smelt]

and she's annoying

[stuck copper]

Indy Kai for combo when

[zinc smelt]

so i won't play her anyways

[crisp palm]

unless indy follow port foot step

[zinc smelt]

indy kai

[crisp palm]

aint going to happen

[zinc smelt]

[stuck copper]

which ship you end up using is up to you, just be aware that certain slots take more/less damage than others. you can then arrange things as you see fit, especially during maps when your tank gets low on health.

Indy had an irl retro

[crisp palm]

mogami and wichita are better

[stuck copper]

Also don't forget

Sister botes

Tend to get retro'd similarly

If hiry and sory

Didn't prove that

I don't know what would

[real ingot]

gonna assume Akaga are in the same bote as Sara/Lexi in regards for Helldiver spam?

[zinc smelt]

no

[stuck copper]

They only have 1

[crisp palm]

tell that to york and exter

[stuck copper]

You see

[crisp palm]

her sister is exter right?

[zinc smelt]

akaga got 1 dive 1 torp

[stuck copper]

York and Exe though

Were a bit different in how they functioned

[real ingot]

Ah ok

[stuck copper]

Look at their planes

Sara / Lex are Fighter / Diver / Diver

Akaga are Fighter / Diver / Torp

They use different plane combinations

[zinc smelt]

most carriers use dive - torp

[stuck copper]

Some do double fighter

Like Lusty

[zinc smelt]

a few don't use fighter

[real ingot]

right kinda forgot about that lol though what would I use for torp unless what I have for torp is fine

[zinc smelt]

useless tiddibote use double fighter

[stuck copper]

But yeah it's why you should check any botes and what they use

Because they play majorly differently

Depending on such

Like Lusty is more of an Anti Air fuck off kind of plane

Due to dual fighter

But Sara class are more

"Get fucked"

And just drop a ton of damage at once

[real ingot]

lol yeesh

[crisp palm]

on a side note of lusty

better max her up if you want to survive w12

[stuck copper]

I've seen people clear W12 without her

Honestly as long as you optimize your team correctly

[crisp palm]

on the first day of w12 lusty is going to be your best bet for default team

[zinc smelt]

having maxed out is better for air security

[crisp palm]

but yes you can use other

[stuck copper]

And aren't a complete pleb about the comp

[zinc smelt]

then you pair her with atalanta

and full on meme mode

[stuck copper]

You can use a lot of different stuff

It's more just making sure

That the comp works

And preferably doesn't gimp itself

"Like using a tirpitz in a BB comp"

[real ingot]

right lol

whats generally a good torp plane then?

[crisp palm]

what if my BB are cat / tiger kai?

[stuck copper]

Barracuda

Then use a different BB instead of Tirp

[crisp palm]

eh you better off give up on banana lol

they are box only

[stuck copper]

5* Barra

Once you get though

Are your saving grace

Tldr

Best way to get gear

Box power

If you don't want the pain that is days of grinding gear

Sure boxes are rng

But like 15 prints of grind

Or 1 lucky box

[real ingot]

Im assuming 5* barracuda is event only atm?

[zinc smelt]

i just grind the fuck out of every map

[stuck copper]

Nah box only

[zinc smelt]

[stuck copper]

As in

T4 HMS boxes

But yeah it's the best 5* Torp pretty much

[real ingot]

ah alright lol I guess it'll come to me sooner or later then in boxes

[stuck copper]

I need 1 more

For my CV fleet when Essex comes about

[zinc smelt]

yeah somehow you'll get them

i only got 1 since the beginning of the server

[stuck copper]

I want 1 more for Essex cause you know

Essex / Sara / Enty

Salt infusing power

i have a whooping 2 cudas

since the beginning of OBT

these things are so rare

Should be able to get another purin soon

[dreamy turtle]

it's variance

[real ingot]

Well I appreciate the help, hope you dont mind helping out when I got more questions lol

[dreamy turtle]

I have 8 cudas and 0 roombas

[stuck copper]

2 roombas

0 roombas for me

Only 1 Royal BB gets used that I know of

Which is the 406

almost there

just a little more pain and suffering

[zinc smelt]

won't you run for the 100k?

[stuck copper]

100k isn't really worth to run for

not sure i'm bored enough for that.

i feel stupid for clearing the shop in the first place. there are other things i could do.

[zinc smelt]

like?

[stuck copper]

get ships i dont have

or, i don't know, play something that's actually fun

Can't wait for this totally pointless

And big waste of a T5 box

did I hear

Essex

You did

i got the book pack

not a single red one

i fear if i grind for the remaining rewards, i'll just get things that make me sad haha

clearing the shop is just something i do. but the milestones are a bit much

Yeah if it was EU or RN boxes

Then yeah

Defo

Need so much royal stuff

Juneau in pvp

Everywhere

Evil fiends

[oblique mantle]

I guess

Gotta counter accordingly

[stuck copper]

I mean it's not like I find them hard to beat

But it does make for a severe lack of diversity

[crisp palm]

asking for ladder to have diversity when meta exist?

ok?

[vague iron]

[stuck copper]

Can literally get R1 with a meme comp

[oblique mantle]

Well unless they decide to do things like banning certain characters per ranked season

And all this other stuff

[bleak condor]

[oblique mantle]

Your asking for too much

And get rid of being able to restart scum

Which would expose a ton of people

[stuck copper]

Well it's more I just like seeing different fleet at times

[crisp palm]

pretty sure if they did remove restart pvp tries we all going to have 0 diversity

[stuck copper]

Not so much they must change

I know that wouldn't happen

[oblique mantle]

Like I said before

If they ban certain ships you would get diversity

Along with that no restart

Means you better plan accordingly

[stuck copper]

Well I already know the whole banning wouldn't happen

Because then you get the age old

[oblique mantle]

Good weapons instead of shit ones would factor

[stuck copper]

"My moneyz got banned"

[oblique mantle]

Doubtful

[stuck copper]

Essentially that

[crisp palm]

since when does a mobile game become esprot lvl of ladder lol

[stuck copper]

People literally did that on GBF

[crisp palm]

GBF have a ban system?

[oblique mantle]

Gbf is a plane of who has more money

[stuck copper]

That's how sad whales are

[crisp palm]

i know gbf has guild war

but i did not know about a ban system

[oblique mantle]

Besides If We had a guild war here

[stuck copper]

More like Pain

When certain characters get nerfed

[oblique mantle]

Obviously expecting to stomp people who don’t spend money

[sand robin]

banning ships wouldn't do much, players will just look for the next most powerful ship/fleet that isn't banned to run.

[stuck copper]

People cry foul to the umpteenth degree

[oblique mantle]

So no need for something like that

[crisp palm]

tbh the concept of diversity is tie to meta

if you really want diversity

just make everything meta

[oblique mantle]

Should’ve just had counters

[crisp palm]

if we going to have counter

that mean more skill per ship

[stuck copper]

You talk like that isn't happening already Pain

[oblique mantle]

Please

[crisp palm]

i think introducing gear as counter to other gear are a better option

[stuck copper]

Amagi literally has 3 skills

And this isn't the first unit either

[oblique mantle]

You just saw the ijn bias with those strong second and third skills

Welcome to your future

[stuck copper]

Essex had 3 too

[oblique mantle]

Yes

Not as good

[stuck copper]

This is the new thing going forward

3 skill botes

[sand robin]

they catering to the JP crowd imo

[oblique mantle]

Then we got yukikaze with skills that help the team too

This isn’t new

Its pretty annoying

[sand robin]

JP makes the most $

[oblique mantle]

Then again. I’m in JP.

[crisp palm]

unless the nerf hammer exist in AL

asking for diversity is not going to happen

[sand robin]

Japan is rather known for its' otaku paying a lot of $ to things they like

[crisp palm]

well not like i care about pvp anyway

just another source for purrin as far as i care

just do it then move on tbh

if we really want to be competitive

[sand robin]

same here. pvp is a joke in AL currently

[crisp palm]

start guild war

[sand robin]

the infinite resets is lol

[crisp palm]

either boss raid or guild war in the future

pvp is not going to be competitive enough

[sand robin]

8 out of 10 players i fought are WASD compositions >.>

tired of seeing them

[stuck copper]

I'll change my backline when Essex is out

CV fleeto

[crisp palm]

you still need centaur for 3 CV tho

essex enty and what else?

ranger?

[sand robin]

but then i'm running a fox backline too >.>

Saratoga Kai :3

[stuck copper]

Forgetting Sara exists

How dare you

[crisp palm]

i rather use sara kai

not pre kai

[stuck copper]

"Essex is out" <<<

[crisp palm]

also ranger for infinite reset

lol

[stuck copper]

You realize Essex came out after Kai right

[sand robin]

imagine you fight a pvp match and ranger procs.... crash the game and have to redo again

[stuck copper]

Ouch

Painful

[wintry sonnet]

honestly, not much could be done at this point with pvp that would change much, outside of a full overhaul

that said, there's a couple things they could change to make it a bit better

for one, it'd be nice if the game told you before battle how many points you're gonna get for fighting your opponent

[crisp palm]

that just going to encourage lurking for point lol

if anything they should + point base on fleet power

more power = more point being added

[wintry sonnet]

I kinda disagree on the lurking part ofr simple reason

people who already lurk are going to lurk regardless

and those who dont bother aren't gonna bother anyway

it's more of quality of life change than an actual change to the system

[crisp palm]

and you think telling ppl how much point they going to gain = increase spending tries how exactly?

[wintry sonnet]

who said anything about spending tries

I already said that outside of a complete overhaul I dotn see many ways of making pvp any better

[crisp palm]

then what the point of the system then?

i am not talking about pvp overhaul

[wintry sonnet]

I'm merely suggesting things that would make the current system a bit less of a hassle

not knowing if the guy you're fighting will even give you any point bonus is a hassle

[crisp palm]

i was talking about you want the devs to make a system to show you how much point you gain by doing pvp

and how is that going to benefit anyone in spending pvp tries?

cus the only reason to pvp is to spend pvp tries

[wintry sonnet]

Again, you're talking about a completely different issue

[crisp palm]

it is useless if you not going to spend it

so what is the main point then?

cus i can't see it

[toxic scroll]

well here's the thing about showing how many points you get

[crisp palm]

other then helping lurker as far as i see it

[wintry sonnet]

Ok, but how does it affect you negatively

[crisp palm]

i never said it affect me negatively

[wintry sonnet]

then I dont understand the problem with it

[crisp palm]

my point is why make a system that not going to do anything

[toxic scroll]

say it says you'll get x amt of points
while you're fighting, someone above/below you finishes a fight, and now the amount of points you get isn't going to reflect the change in rank that you first thought

[crisp palm]

other then help lurker

that about it

@toxic scroll and that is the main reason why ppl lurk

[wintry sonnet]

thing is uru, the only change that could happen in that instance would be to your potential benefit

[crisp palm]

to climb the rank

[toxic scroll]

if someone below you climbs above you

your rank will not change

after you win

[wintry sonnet]

not how it works

[toxic scroll]

if you get enough

to put you back above said person

[wintry sonnet]

the points bonus is dependant on how many points difference there is between you and your opponent

not how many places away you are

[crisp palm]

so you saying that if i get 1 extra point then the other person my rank will not change compare to them?

eh not how pvp work lol

[wintry sonnet]

What are you even on about now lol

[crisp palm]

anyway i agree that pvp need an overhaul

that much i agree on

how to do it tho

no idea

either get rid of restart

[wintry sonnet]

The way the game calculates the pvp points is it takes your points, your opponent's points and then it calculates your bonus if you even get any

there's no 3rd party involved

[crisp palm]

or change on how you gain point

that about it

[wintry sonnet]

it doesnt matter how many people are between you and your opponent or if anyone even jumps in

if your opponent does his round during your battle and wins, that's only gonna be a net positive for you

[crisp palm]

i know how pvp work

that why i lurk

cus lurking is the best way to climb

[wintry sonnet]

the whole point of having the points gained shown before battle is so you dont have to pray your opponent jumps into top 100

so you can actually see the point difference

doesnt hurt anyone, benefits some, not many people, granted

[crisp palm]

and that is only helping lurker who mind you want bonus point as much as possible

[wintry sonnet]

but it's still a net positive gain

[crisp palm]

it not going to benefit normal ppl lol

[wintry sonnet]

Ok, you keep going on and on about lurkers and I keep asking you

how does it affect anyone negatively

[crisp palm]

since they just going to do their pvp tries and fuck off lol

[wintry sonnet]

which is why I said it's be a small quality of life change

I dont understand the disagreement here

[crisp palm]

must have miss the small QOL lol

should have said that in the first place

[wintry sonnet]

if the idea was in any way screwing anyone, I could get it, but it's literally just a small thing that would make pvp a bit better ofr those who care about it

[crisp palm]

if you did said that then yes i agree lol

[wintry sonnet]

the point being, other than small qol changes, only way to do anything with pvp would be a complete system overhaul

which let's be honest, propably not gonna happen

[crisp palm]

gain pvp by fighting high fleet power + remove restart

ez

[wintry sonnet]

Ok, so if I refresh and get crappy fleets, what then

[unreal crow]

that would bring insane amount of salt

[crisp palm]

in that case maybe add point gain by successfully defending attack from other fleet?

[wintry sonnet]

basing the point system on fleet power isn't gonna work so long as your opponents are randomized

[crisp palm]

like you gain +1 +2 point depend on how many successful def you manage to do

that would force ppl to actually use good fleet

[wintry sonnet]

to be honest, I rather they didnt encourage AIDS in pvp defense

[crisp palm]

instead of crappy fleet

[wintry sonnet]

it's already tedious having to fight the same tired meta

giving people defense points would only encourage people to copycat the same stuff

[crisp palm]

then what you suggesting is not so much different from MOBA rank system

which is not going to happen

[wintry sonnet]

I haven't even suggested anything

other than showing the points gained

[crisp palm]

what you suggest is not using meta

since you hate seeing the same comp over and over

[unreal crow]

nah well defence fleets do not matter squat tho. Anybody beats anybody

[wintry sonnet]

well yea, it's mostly a matter of how many times do you have to reset

[crisp palm]

the discussion was about how to revamp the pvp system

and yes atm def can do shit to pvp rank

[wintry sonnet]

which again, if we're gonna encourage people to use the meta fleets, removing restarts means you're basically ust rolling dice

only you can't roll as many times as you want

you get 1 roll and fuck off, what you get is what you have

which I'd be ok with, under ONE condition

you let me control my fleet manually

[crisp palm]

now that's a thought

manual pvp

[wintry sonnet]

you give me manual PVP, you can remove all the restarts and refreshes for all I care

and if I fail, welp, my fault for misplaying

[unreal crow]

with manual pvp tho they should make rng matter less

[toxic scroll]

they should make you quitting a PvP match consume the PvP charge

[crisp palm]

pretty sure you can't deal with air strike anyway

[unreal crow]

but idk how

[crisp palm]

take nagaka for example

if your fleet are not on par with them

matter little if you do it on manual or auto

[wintry sonnet]

well, here's the thing tho

if you can control manually, you can just stock up on aa

and not have to go with stuff like bulges

cause you can just dodge the torps then

[crisp palm]

oh air strike aa

nice

could work

yeh now i think about it

giving maunal pvp open up so much possibilities

[wintry sonnet]

the whole issue with pvp now is because it's rando autobattle, you have to account for everything

otherwise you just have to reset 50 times until your fleet either stops dying from airstrike

[crisp palm]

i assume you did play mirror pvp in JP / CN correct?

[wintry sonnet]

or stops fetching every torp possible

[crisp palm]

since that is the closet to any true pvp

[wintry sonnet]

I didnt, EN's my first account

but I did see the vids

and it actually looked pretty fun

kinda shame we didnt get it for DC

[crisp palm]

well since i already play it

all iam going to say is it is ez af

when i was playing it my fleet was around +6

not even +10 lol

[wintry sonnet]

incidentally, did mirror pvp give you the bonus that pvp gives you for attacking fleet?

[crisp palm]

that the problem

dk if we got +% or not

all iam going to say is if pvp manual was a thing 99% of the time attack going to win

since the basic of that was to let your back line do the hitting

you pull your front line close to your backline

the enemy front would follow and get hit by BB shot

kindda cheese if you ask me

[wintry sonnet]

I could see that as a problem as far as challenge is concerned, yea

I suppose you could introduce some grid system, where your vanguard's forced within a certain distance away from your backline to prevent that from happening

[crisp palm]

but then you going to have stall meta

which is not really helping

[wintry sonnet]

hmmm

how about making the backlines periodically move up closer

so the longer you stall, the tigher of a squeeze you're in

[crisp palm]

if that is the case CV is not going to have a place in pvp at all

since if that happen CV is basically a sitting duck

and all ppl going to use are 3 BB BC back line

[toxic scroll]

i'd still argue BB/BC is more fundamental in PvP anyways

if that's the right word idk

[crisp palm]

yes but if they did use such system

CV is going to out right useless

[toxic scroll]

i'm not talking about a hypothetical system, i'm talking about the one we have

[crisp palm]

isn't it cus we have more OP BB BC then CV atm?

other then enty i don't see any other good CV

[wintry sonnet]

I haven't used akaga in PVP ever so far

went from the initial hood lusty enty to sodak wash enty

[crisp palm]

cus atm foxes can't out dps wasd

wasd too tanky

not helping that both of their AA are 350+

foxes need a dps buff like nagato to punch through wasd

[wintry sonnet]

sometimes they dont seem to have many problems when I fight akaga

even tho I have +10 gold AA on everyone

then again AA in PVP is very hit and miss

you either get 2-3 procs or you get 1

[crisp palm]

since AI like to fly outside of the AA circle

or ramp into enemies torp

zzz

[toxic scroll]

or avoid planes when they're out

[crisp palm]

AI are dumb

what ya expect lel

[wintry sonnet]

I love it when the AI runs behind enemy backline

to shoot torps into nothing

[crisp palm]

happen too often for me

[wintry sonnet]

the timing on some of the movements at times feels so deliberate

enemy launches torps, suddenly your AI moves in such a way that they run across the entire spread

about to shoot torps? time to move to the bottom of the screen

or run behind the backline like I mentioned before

enemy has a fast vanguard? time for all battleships to shell them instead

and miss 90% of the shots

meanwhile your fleet sees a red circle, goes straight into it

sometimes deliberately stops in the dead center

[crisp palm]

what can you do really

just deal with it

#putonsunglass

[toxic scroll]

your fleet AI doesn't act upon what the other fleet AI does

which is completely fair

and it should be that way

vice versa

[crisp palm]

enemies AI are smarter then allies AI?

[wintry sonnet]

honestly, sometimes it seems it does, but in an attempt to sabotage you

[crisp palm]

tell me something i dk lol

pretty sure that is a given in every game

[wintry sonnet]

like today when I was doing my pvp runs, my fleet ran out of the way of enemy sakura torp airstrike

and then just stopped halway, turned around and ran headfirst into them

even tho they were already out of harms way they went out of their fuckin way to go into dead center

[crisp palm]

pretty sure you scream YAMERO off the top of your lung lol

[wintry sonnet]

oh and dont get me started on how 90% time when belfast drops the smoke screen, they just run the fuck out the second airstrike arrives

[crisp palm]

ah the wonder of AI being dumb and stupid

good times

[wintry sonnet]

seriously, at times the AI is so dumb

it's like it's deliberately trying to sabotage you

[toxic scroll]

anytime i PvP, my fleet refuses to leave the smoke

even when placed in the bottom or top

[past kiln]

Or when your team eats every single torp of theirs, but their frontline just skirts past the torps, activating the homing effect but not getting hit, which means you don't even get damage on their backline in...

[toxic scroll]

my first step is also not caring about PvP

it's a thing that's there

and i do time to time

[crisp palm]

pretty sure not give a shit to pvp is the first and last step to achieve enlightenment

[vital edge]

you know

speaking of stupid AI

Guess what happened next.

[crisp palm]

they move behind akagi?

[vital edge]

they touched her

[toxic scroll]

Chen's team rammed themselves to death?

[torn sorrel]

They run into Akagi and die, then Akagi procs her airstrike?

[vital edge]

I lost.

[crisp palm]

lol

[torn sorrel]

lol

[crisp palm]

yeh ramp damage

[vital edge]

AI has this tendency to be gods at dodging

in PvE

PvP they seem to hate the idea of winning

[crisp palm]

asking AI to give you win in any competitive setting is just asking for trouble

[vital edge]

and yes, Akagi sent an airstrike immediately after they died

[crisp palm]

fat finger too slow to put the reset button

[vital edge]

nah

[crisp palm]

RIP in pieces

[vital edge]

I accept my death

[crisp palm]

oh a tough guy heh

i respect those kind of ppl

[vital edge]

I personally hate the eldridge cheese strat

not that it should stop you guys from doing it

[crisp palm]

hey it gives you win for ez purrin

so why not

[vital edge]

that's why I'm saying do so if you want to

I want to have a real PvP stat

[toxic scroll]

only people who are so insecure about themselves abuse the leave battle thing

[vital edge]

if Eldridge procs on my first try, then happy day xD

[crisp palm]

well they could make an only CA BB pvp system

[vital edge]

if not, then RIP team

[crisp palm]

or only CL BC only system

same with other class

[vital edge]

you know what would be a nice idea?

a lifetime performance stat sheet per ship

like their total lifetime kills and deaths

[crisp palm]

that is asking too much for a mobie game

[vital edge]

it would be something worth having

[crisp palm]

if anything maybe character sheet

not really a ship sheet

[vital edge]

doesn't the archive sheets already count?

[crisp palm]

in the collection page?

[vital edge]

yeah, that covers much of it already

it already looks like a DnD sheet

[crisp palm]

well yeh but then the next problem is server space

you need space to store all of them information

for each individual ID

[vital edge]

the info is encoded in small data, in sizes of kb

[crisp palm]

in a game with around 200+ ship

tbh i would say a pvp sheet itself is enough

[vital edge]

with they money the devs get from the whales, they could afford additional servers that each store hundreds of TB of data

it isn't that expensive compared to what they make

[crisp palm]

mostly it would record how many time you pvp reset per season

[toxic scroll]

they also have a lot people to pay

[crisp palm]

and the average life time reset

[vital edge]

the lifetime sheet could simply be a clientside data stored in the server after every fight in the form of a notepad file

quick upload, easy file handling

[crisp palm]

not my filed of expertise so no comment

[vital edge]

though admittedly I have no idea what the game engine even looks like

can't be as bad as bethesda's ancient engine

[toxic scroll]

we don't talk about the creation engine here

[vital edge]

I didn't say any names

[toxic scroll]

technically i could try and look at the AL engine

buuuuuuuuuut

i don't wanna get banned

[vital edge]

you're not modding anything

I don't think there's grounds for it so long as nothing affects your game or anyone else's

[toxic scroll]

i'm not reading the entire ToS to see if it's allowed lmao

[vital edge]

is data mining even a concern in any ToS?

[crisp palm]

pretty sure it only matter if the leak was about personal info

[vital edge]

If not, then I'm diving the heck in because I need to know how torps are calculated

[crisp palm]

or if the company is aids enough

[toxic scroll]

what about how torps are calculated

the damage?

[vital edge]

specifically everything that contributes to it

[toxic scroll]

that

[vital edge]

thanks

I asked here like four times and got ignored xD

help, general, PvP and here last week

gonna save that

I needed it because Ayanami was losing to Shigure for torp damage despite having oxy torps and an SR quad torp vs elite quad

couldn't tell why

[toxic scroll]

mag torps do less

[vital edge]

no mag torps

[toxic scroll]

jvm

nvm

[vital edge]

only laffey uses it for me

[toxic scroll]

i thought i read mag torp

instead of oxy

[crisp palm]

@vital edge https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Combat

a quick wiki search lol

[vital edge]

I know

I saw

the calcs aren't in there

[crisp palm]

mag torp and normal torp is just the same ain't it?

just that mag has lower damage

or did mag torp got any hidden mechanic?

[vital edge]

that's kind of the glaring difference, actually

apart from the retarded pathing against faster ships and the slower speed, the damage seems to fall off greatly

[toxic scroll]

the calculations are in that link

look down in final weapon damage

[toxic scroll]

also that's the difference between the rainbow mag at +6 vs the quint at +10

probably a mobile thing

[vital edge]

fuck

😂

[vital edge]

again, thank you

[crisp palm]

base damage of mag torp and normal torp are different

[toxic scroll]

i figured a +7 gold quint vs a +6 rainbow mag would be more fair

[vital edge]

If I give the rainbow mags to a ship, it's because they need the torp stat more than the torp itself

like laffey

[toxic scroll]

laffey isn't a torp DD tho

if you use her like one you're using her wrong

[vital edge]

I know but her kai barrage

it's the more important thing to consider for me

[crisp palm]

so does ayaya

[vital edge]

Aya needs good torps though

[crisp palm]

not to mention ayaya torp stat is the highest

[toxic scroll]

the torps in laffey's kai barrage are just a nice bonus

the thing that matters are the actual shots

[vital edge]

speaking of Laffey

this is fine, right?

[toxic scroll]

i run a fire suppressor instead of the boiler

[vital edge]

so an extinguisher

[toxic scroll]

yeah

[vital edge]

I'll get to work

should be done in a minute

[toxic scroll]

i feel that she needs it more

given her health pool

i was wondering why my laffey has more base hp

prolly 200 affection

[vital edge]

I had her with the boiler since she's always in 1:1 fleets

beaver badge is overkill too so...

[vital edge]

yeah, I'm only halfway through

[toxic scroll]

oh

i had like

700 AA plates

k

[vital edge]

there we go

a bit of a loss on the recon stat, but better than death

[toxic scroll]

the lower fire damage is more important imo

especially on ships with less than 2k base hp

[vital edge]

I understood that

[toxic scroll]

or C as the wiki calls it

[vital edge]

I jus couldn't decide which was worse between ambushes and fires

[toxic scroll]

stacking evasion isn't very effective

[vital edge]

I give main fleet the radars, and the vanguard the speed

[toxic scroll]

diminishing returns

[vital edge]

evasion ≠ speed

[toxic scroll]

i might be getting stats mixed up

on whats on what

[vital edge]

evasion doesn't give recon afaik

well that's it for my end

I need to dig into Shigure's torp performance

she's competing way too well against Aya despite the stat, skill, and equipment difference

[toxic scroll]

i typically don't use aya

unless i get meme'd on my torp requirements

or i need something dead fast

when i'm farming

[vital edge]

I use Aya to save time

that's it

[toxic scroll]

she's a farming ship

for me

[vital edge]

I personally prefer Minne for farming in general

Aya hardly does well on auto

When you wanted her for the booty but she gave you results

[toxic scroll]

man

they still need to fix

the text wrap around issue

[vital edge]

ikr?

[toxic scroll]

considering ho
w they suck

[vital edge]

it's annoying, but I won't badger them for it

it's not perfomance hampering like the layered text translations in GFL

but it still bothers me when I read it

[toxic scroll]

it could easily be fixed too lmao

literally a small code tweak

[vital edge]

I can imagine

[toxic scroll]

now again

i'm not gonna try it

because i don't wanna get banned

for extremely obvious reasons

her smile still warms my heart

now that vestal is 100

gotta kick her out of my dorm

and try to figure out who to put in

atlanta, why not

i lied

shigure

[warm bluff]

2/2 were the same gold gun 😮

[toxic scroll]

inhales

trophy

[frigid hare]

🏆

quick question, has the Moon Rabbit event been reran before on the other servers or is that a first?

[toxic scroll]

i want to say no reruns

speaking of

our moon rabbit banner

was less censored

than jp

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Moon_Rabbit

[frigid hare]

huh i wonder if they are adding in any new skins

[toxic scroll]

doubt it

at most we get yat sen

[frigid hare]

I'd be okay with that

but seems weird to have a rerun, so soon as well, and not put anything new in it

might introduce their retrofits?

[toxic scroll]

i've said it before but i'll say it again

in my case

don't use, don't care

[warm bluff]

i feel like it actually looks more lewd on the jp pic since the bag makes it seem like there's nothing there...

[toxic scroll]

something there > something blocking it

it's more lewd

[vital edge]

that product placement...

kind of like Warspite and her sword.

Many of my friends thought she was wearing nothing there because of that

All of them were disappointed upon a closer inspection

[toxic scroll]

you can see her panty line though

string

thing

w/e

[vital edge]

if you look closely

string panties

[toxic scroll]

not really

it's pretty obvious

[vital edge]

I'd agree with you there if there weren't so many people around me who never noticed it

I guess it's hard to see when you're looking at it over someone else's shoulder(?)

[toxic scroll]

i had issues finding my warspite

because i wasn't looking for the christmas skin

[vital edge]

that's a heck of a story there xD

[toxic scroll]

that's pretty

[vital edge]

and Imglad I'm not the only one who bought that

[toxic scroll]

obvious

it stands out a lot

[vital edge]

it doesn't stand out a lot

but it's there

I didn't miss it, so I can't speak for those who didn't see it

looking at it, I can understand why they'd miss it entirely

it's either the legs or the sword you're looking at from a glance

which I must say I love her slender grandma legs

[toxic scroll]

to me it's extremely obvious at least

[vital edge]

everyone has varying levels of perception, so I can't judge it myself without hearing everyone else out

[toxic scroll]

as soon as i saw

her dumb smile

i knew i had to buy it

bold of you to assume i won't buy more if i need to

[vital edge]

contrary to your reason

I bought that skin because of the beard she wears welcoming me back to the dock

and that one quote

[ornate mantle]

Ah, I want tht Warspite skin.

I'll buy it soon.

[vital edge]

Another one joins the cult

[ornate mantle]

I've loved warspite for a long time.

Didn't care much for her at first, but after the anthology I found a deep respect for her.

[crisp palm]

http://i.4cdn.org/vg/1547698940904.png

so it seem that we going to have winter as next event

since JP / CN is getting rerun

gg

[toxic scroll]

i want Ink-stained steel sakura event dangit

[dim crystal]

No

[toxic scroll]

Yes

[dim crystal]

No no

[toxic scroll]

Yes Yes