if they start with below 20% hp does the skill proc?
#avrora-general
stuck copper
tough burrow
threat level now actually helps with that
tough burrow
after getting hit, yea
stuck copper
oh nice
cosmic pier
they still need to get hit so
stuck copper
thats why its such a good skill
cosmic pier
you gotta make sure they dont get hit by something big
stuck copper
ye
stuck copper
i see. i only pay so much attention when catching up with chat 
sand robin
as long as my mob fleet is 30oil and under for C maps i'm happy
stuck copper
#trophy-room i got shigure!
sand robin
grats
stuck copper
idk why i didnt have her already
B1 lol
I mean when I rolled yesterday I got Nelson
Even though she wouldn't drop when I farmed
cosmic pier
needa actually do the event instead of goofing off 
stuck copper
yes or people will flex on u 
cosmic pier
mhhh
I cant care less bout people tryina flex on me
Im immune to that shit 
I do flex on people a bit tho
stuck copper
cosmic pier
just now?
dim crystal
they are japanese boxes
dim crystal
thought they were random
japanese gold items are eeeh
if it was english there could be some baracuda
then again I already have every gold item in the chests
each with more than 1 copies
south seal
i'm still a ways off
dim crystal
5000 per day?
cosmic pier
Imma just ditch out whenever I get bored of the event
aint feeling obligated to farm all the way
south seal
the top player has 31k
dim crystal
same here
south seal
i've been able to get in the top 100 for a 3rd day now
dunno how long i can keep it up for though
dim crystal
how many points to clear the shop
south seal
41k
stuck copper
whos the "#1" player on avrora
dim crystal
๐
south seal
stuck copper
Well there isn't really 1 in general
south seal
that's the top ranking for the event
dim crystal
well
stuck copper
105 oof
dim crystal
it kinda does
stuck copper
It just means you use a lot of oil to get points
dim crystal
lul
stuck copper
its close enough w
Since if you farm with say
he means commander rank
1:1 comps
You get a fuck ton less points
not point rank
cosmic pier
nah spamming cassin downes and buying oil all the time makes you great
stuck copper
Then if you run full teams
stuck copper
@stuck copper Btw I was on about commander rank too
As commander rank gives exp based on oil consumption
okay
And if you run higher worlds
oh is it based on oil
heck
Yeah
The more oil you use
The more points you gain for rank
xD so that guy probably just runs a mlb ssr fleet and buys oil
scary
is there a cap to the oil cap
25k
high
Well technically
You can go beyond it
If you stack oil in mail
dim crystal
well
rustic blaze
Neh, it's more ships you use which is related but slightly different.
stuck copper
So being highest rank doesn't mean much
Just means you've no lifed the game
even if you have the oil, it takes ages to farm that much
stuck copper
Unless you do it for a job
dim crystal
everygame has whales
rustic blaze
It means you the number 1 grinder in the game, which is something to be proud of 
dim crystal
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
stuck copper
I mean it says that you have nothing better to do
stuck copper
well, you can be proud of anything you want, really. doesn't mean people share that view.
- and infinite wallet size
stuck copper
I never said anything about how they spend money
stuck copper
I'm just saying it's not exactly a feat to do it when like
Most people don't even have that amount of time
dim crystal
then I realized that they HAVE the money and dont have time
stuck copper
In a day to do that even if they tried
dim crystal
so they just spend to get what they want
rustic blaze
It's really just relative can't say for sure if they were aiming to be the top in level or not.. If yes, they might be proud of getting it ๐
stuck copper
But yeah it was more
How does one even have that much time
Even if you whaled oil
yeah, you can't deduce their motivations just by looking at their standing
You'd still need time to spend it to that extreme
maybe that person just loves to play a lot
No I can understand that but I mean like
Job
Working
Money
rustic blaze
I mean the most extreme case would be like creating a macro to just auto-grind it though I don't know how that'll work..
stuck copper
I mean macros are possible for sure
dim crystal
well
stuck copper
But you'd have to have the game running for some extreme amounts of time
I'm surprised their machines haven't fried
stuck copper
doesnt everyone run al on nox
maybe they're actually more than one person
That's pretty common Cal
A lot of higher players tend to switch people out
If it comes to super grind stuff like that
could be brothers or something
Possibly
If I recall
MHW
not unheard of
The top player to get to 999
Did that
:/ thats kinda low
People do it though
of course
depends
Getting R1 one means that much
toxic scroll
Macros to auto stuff for you is grounds for being banned
stuck copper
That some are willing to go through such means
The thing is though Uru
People will try it if they don't get banned
It's not unheard of
toxic scroll
It's also easy to find out if they are or not though
stuck copper
Depends on if they program it to fake people out with fake movements
I mean even on gbf some people still get past ban hammers
Just one of those things that people dedicate time to for some weird reason
I mean personally
I don't see a point in playing a game to well
Not play the game
Seems a bit backwards to me
toxic scroll
Like
"I'm gonna play the game"
"until I make it play itself for me"
Not like the auto feature
All of it
stuck copper
Yeah it's like
"Why bother playing then"
Just pointless since you don't really get any benefit from it
at least auto makes sense in AL. you can argue you're just telling your girls what to do 
id auto macro if it was allowed tbh
"do as i say", or "suit yourself"
"Eat all torps"
toxic scroll
i did it in fgo for a hot minute
toxic scroll
Eh
toxic scroll
Not really
stuck copper
I mean the whole thing is probably what
5-7 minutes?
but its like 
move faster
Unless you get to much higher worlds
Where it's like 10-12 maybe
Give or take
toxic scroll
Then manual it 
stuck copper
And even then it's much shorter than most games
manual is like 30s faster
30s?
It's a lot faster if you have stronger teams
ok not that much
Especially
If you run any CA's
just u know i want to play another game while al playes
but i cant
because you cant leave it long enough to playu the other game
As CA's suck at shooting anything that isn't directly in front
Uses CL's mostly now
and you cant just click once to fight the next node and go back to other game
GEM COMMISSION
toxic scroll
I mean I keep AL tabbed out half the time
And I don't have issues with it
It just sits on my off monitor
While I do other stuff
stuck copper
I understand what you mean in the general sense but like
How I do it
I just go on the web while it autos
you click through the finish screen
wait
opens map
wait
click on node
wait
airstrike
wait
click on node again
wait
arrives at node
wait
click start
Check back in about 1-2mins
its infuriating sometimes
Set up next fight
Then back to afk
the set up
kills me
I've had no problems with the setup
toxic scroll
You really don't have to be active in AL
stuck copper
And I only use 1 screen
toxic scroll
You don't gotta baby it
stuck copper
yes dude but i want to do something other than just browse web
toxic scroll
You can though?
stuck copper
but al doesnt allow it because it needs to be micromanaged every couple minutes
toxic scroll
Then don't play it while you do other stuff you want to do?
stuck copper
Lol
That's how I do it
losing out on grinding 
I mean unlike games like GBF
this is the struggle
You don't need to grind for tons of hours
To get anywhere
Grinding is more if you want to
toxic scroll
You don't miss anything by not grinding
toxic scroll
Especially when it's the beginning of an event
toxic scroll
Akaga isn't going anywhere
oblique mantle
@cosmic pier hm?
stuck copper
everyone here has them already 
If you're talking about 3-4
ive been on mines for 4-5 moinths
ok
Turn off the desire sensor
The game knows
:/
Not actually joking
I farmed that node for repair toolkits
Got them both super quick
toxic scroll
I swear this game does have a desire sensor
stuck copper
:(
toxic scroll
No joke
stuck copper
:(
Didn't even realize it
its not the game its life in general
Desire sensor is strong
its one of those wierd things like murphys law
doesnt make it any less fucking frustrating
we tend to overemphasize negativity. that's probably what it is.
Look at it like this
While probability doesn't increase in the sense the chance itself doesn't increase
But every time you don't get them
Your overall probability does
yes i know
So at some point
It will happen
you can get lucky ten times, but getting unlucky once ruins everything
Not entirely
you can spin it whatever way you like but i still dont have her
and thats the problem
You'll get it
i know
Just don't put all your attention to it
It's kind of like
If you put all effort into one plan
And said plan falls flat
It makes you feel like crap
that's good advice
Cause there's nothing there in back up
every grind on a map other than 3-4 makes her come slower
try to level some ships alongside grinding. besides, you get toolboxes, which are super useful. can never have enough of those.
dude i have like 20 toolboxes
3 kagas
20 boxes is good. kaga copies for LB
3 kagas and just the first one took me over 2 months
saves purins
focus on the good
helps deal with the bad
wish it was that easy
ah well i guess everyone here has heard it all before
can take a while to adopt that mentality
theres always someone crying at the bottom of their fox mine
A friend of mine
Has no foxes
0
one of mine too
and he doesnt care
i hate grinding for points right now. dislike D3. now i run C3 and it feels good, because i can level amagi. i get less points, which means i have to grind longer, but i don't care. i think it's great. the way you look at things matters a lot.
Basically
Don't just focus on one goal
I farmed for Nelson
Never got her
Then she popped out of nowhere
xd theres nothing i can do to stop wanting akagi
because that would just be lying to myself
It's not about stop wanting
that's fine. just try to make the best of it to hold yourself over.
It's about prioritizing goals that can be done right now
That you also want
I mean for example
I need like
70 127mm gold prints
you dont need
akaga
I've had like
What
3-4 prints
No I just need 70+ of a print
That has a super low drop rate
i need akagi who also has a super low drop rate
No but here's the thing
Gear
Is literally needed for max output
Without gear ships are well
Lackluster
With Akagi you only need that 1 drop
Do you run 3-4 hards?
no
You should
3-1 or 5-1
Since instant boss node
i did for the longest time
before
instant boss node
Yeah but now
Instant boss makes it quicker
yeah but i need dest plates
:////////////
cursed
theres really nothing for it but to go and grind isnt it
Trust me on this
A good thing
Is if you farm for something
And it takes a while
The satisfaction when it finally drops
I experienced this with lex
I kept farming her for ages
And she's an elite
warframe has taught me patience
same with fucking souryuu and hiryuu
only 1 dropped
i dont know where the other is
Same node
I think
i know
but no drop
I do agree though Cal
Warframe is quite a patience testing game
all mmos are
;-;
No no no
it's a marathon, not a sprint.
Warframe is testing for more than one reason
Bugs
So many bugs
Drop rates
And bad players to boot
even if you get all the parts to drop, a frame takes 3 days to craft
Oh right that too
Like this
"Farm get drops"
That game is "Farm get drops"
But then goes
"Oh no"
12-24 hours for a single weapon
"Now you have to wait"
Also a frame takes longer than 3 days remember
equinox
You have to actually build the parts before it
To even start on the frame
you have to collect the parts so you can build the parts that you need to build the parts
Each part takes 12 hours
Frame takes 72
So you need at least 84 hours
it was brutal at first, but once you get used to it, you become a patient person, to a degree - or you whale like a mofo until your card melts
Like it's most brutal
When you first start
Because you have literally NO frames to work with
Or weapons
you have nothing, and you cant get anything, because you only get 2 slots
Later on once you have a good collection
It's like
"I've got all this other stuff to use anyway"
But when first starting
It's more brutal than farming in this
way more brutal
Cause it's literally wait for 3 1/2 days
Or whale
if AL were like that, you would get 20 dock space or something like that
20
Yeah inventory space at the start
Is very small
Keep in mind there is a lot of guns / frames
anyway, keep going. entertain yourself while you farm. it helps.
Don't put all your eggs in one basket basically
Hell right now
I'm using this event to farm mats for Sandy Retro
So I don't get stuck when it comes out
the worst part is theres so much i need to do
do i do 3-4 for akagi, do i do it hard mode for mats, do ii do 5-1 for the gold gun, do i try and get to ch10 for st loius, do i tru to farm event for the boxes, what ship should i focus on, should i try and make a new low cost fleet from scratch
im overwhelmed
Ok first
Event for boxes
Rule 1 early on
Boxes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actual gear drops
Saves a lot of grind if you get the stuff you need in them
As far as fleet goes
I tend to run 1:1 / 1:2 lineups
As far as lou
Don't bother running 10 if you're not geared
It's painful
1:1 means how many ship in the formation?
Yeah
1 at back / 1 at front
it might seem overwhelming, but again, it's a marathon. there is no need to rush. you'll get everything eventually.
Like it seems overwhelming
Because you're trying to do everything at once
Rather than focus a few things
Like to give you an idea
Despite my comp
I'm actually only on Ch 5-3
Because I'm entirely focusing gear first
o
This game you learn quickly that gear >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else
Without gear you're gonna struggle
i dont have a lot of golds;-;
Which is why boxes are your best bet
gear is very important. purples are enough when you're starting out
Yeah but as you get to higher worlds
It gets significantly harder
+6 purples, then try to transition into golds, but it'll take a while
I mean the proof of the game being slower
Is that if I recall
You can't even run higher worlds
Without higher commander level
well, when i was at your level, there was no content that required high-end gear
so i guess i had less pressure
im lvl 70 ;;
74
What's your avg cost for fleet oil?
i didnt mean the literal level
uhh its all over the place
if i use my best ships its around 60-70 because theyre all mlb
like 10k+ power on both sides
That explains why your grind is so slow
On avg
You want to be around 25 oil per run
That's why you're having so many issues
Oil efficiency is key to making progress faster
ye
Not to mention
Leveling wise
You gain more exp the less botes you use
MVP + flagship bonuses
In terms of leveling lots at once
10 hour commissions are best for that
They're the most oil efficient
okay
18k for 6 is no joke
Best to run them when you go sleep
That way you don't have any downtime
yea
i use them mainly to raise ships i want to retro
its just :( ive limit broken all the ships that are better at 0lb
?
like cassin and downes
ah
or
just get a new pair
idk there s afew
like hyuuga and her sister
I'm literally using this atm
Look at the oil cost
Even though it's MLB
what can replace louis
i may have it
Like seriously you can use anything in a 1:1 team
You just have to make sure they are sufficiently geared
for 3-4, yes, anything will work
Do that and you can farm just about anything
3-4 for example
You don't need much gear
It isn't till about W4-5
Where you actually need some better gear
To do 1:1
gotta eat, so brb
Fyi the reason both of mine are 100
Is affection farming while doing this
well heres what i have for now
time to make a new fleet
Like generally the best way to farm 1:1
thats 0lb
Is to be about level 50 on both
That way you can punch out damage with any decent gear
While you farm lower stuff and gain levels to boot
I'm not going to lie
When I first started
I used to run full fleets
who didnt ;-;
The reason being was I started just before FW
So I had to full fleet to clear
Outside of that I didn't use full fleets
It was just because lack of levels / limit breaks as well as gear
are these two decent backline?
Yeah those two are pretty good
But a tip
Limit break them at least once
Their main gun fires 2 instead of one
is there a guide to low cost somewhere
that isnt fletcher fleet 
Yeah it's called 1:1 fleets
oh;; is that all
Well one of the main ones isn't in game atm
Which is Ping / Ning
rustic blaze
When I was starting, I just made a good 1:1 then slapped random ships in to give exp to ships I can't be bothered to put to commissions
rustic blaze
I just let them die until they leveled up to the point where they can live ๐
stuck copper
ok how about this
Yeah that works for any farm really
think itll clear D stages?
That's questionable
uwu okay
D stages tend to be much higher level
Plus have specific requirements
so you just have to spend more oil?
Normally you put a few more units in and have 2 comps
rustic blaze
You're forced to spend more oil sometimes ๐ cause of the reqs..
stuck copper
Since you need to hit requirements
well i have a second comp in now im on c3
but not using those
C is fairly tame. D ramps up quite a bit.
oh oke
rustic blaze
I can't give you any good examples cause i'm using a full fleet rn in D.
stuck copper
well if this works it means i can farm c3
The reason for 2 fleets at least is because later on
You're gonna use 5 ammo at least
And you want to full clear
Which means you preferably want to avoid 50% damage as much as possible
So 2 fleets becomes a must
Then as said before
Requirements
Which can't be gotten with just 1 fleet
C3 is pretty chill. you can level stuff there fairly easily.
yeah belfast is pulling her weight
im gonna be 0/5 on boss tho :(
rustic blaze
Hope not to die ๐
stuck copper
always keep on double line right
get used to building proper mob and boss fleets and you wont have that problem. if you have the ships, that is.
it's a bit weird at first, but it becomes second nature.
yea i dont have the ships and i dont really know which ones i need
Well there isn't really ones you per say "need"
It's about having synergy between units
To cover their weaknesses
its so confusing dude where did all this strategy come from im awful at strategies 
rustic blaze
Try this command?fleetcomp in #bot-spam.
stuck copper
ok
rustic blaze
That should have a guide on how to build a comp.. (I forgot though if it's for PVE, PVP or both)
stuck copper
well i'll just take a break and read these
it would be so much less hassle if i wasnt running out of oi;l
๐ข
mob fleet needs to kill lots of weaker enemies, but it also has to survive long enough to clear ~5 nodes. you'll also want it to be as cheap as possible if you go for long sessions.
ignore the last one if you dont care about oil
boss fleets tend to have more firepower. they can afford to be a bit more expensive, since you'll only use them once per map, unless something goes wrong.
i just wanna be able to not worry about what to keep ay 0lb lol
thats where the most stress comes from
because you cant go back
unless you get a new ship
Most people with things like downes
Get 2 ships
One that is LBed
One that isn't
Most ships though that are elite +
You won't be doing that with
ok
i do not keep anything at 0LB
but some find 0LB cassin/downes very useful
I mean for example things like BB's
Are generally much better at FLB
Due to 3 shots
yeah im seeing that in the guide
stuck copper
wtf arizona heals
i didnt know
half the time, yes
but she's still solid without it
i used her a lot in 1:X setups
unreal crow
ornate mantle
oblique mantle
The usual cheating? Someone doing something wrong?
Etc etc
What doesnโt go on rei.
Oh you made a jojo reference
cosmic pier
hm
yes
also
I did something else
@oblique mantle I did this
now I run off
oblique mantle
Tsundere
cosmic pier
no u
stuck copper
cosmic pier
cosmic pier
bought the double ring pack for pow and was wondering what to do with the second one
would pop on deutsch but if I did that I'd have to buy another later for graf spee
so passed up for now
I'd pop on Ashigara but
had to complet the foxes
cosmic pier
lol
hushed nest
๐ค
oblique mantle
hushed nest
cosmic pier
well, thanks to the ring pack had to drop jav's l2d off my purchase list for the while
cosmic pier
think fast on wot
oblique mantle
Interesting list
cosmic pier
sand robin
2 more.... but too tired to continue ><
stuck copper
whats the native res of al
stuck copper
Finished EX mode after 11 tries, i don't like those numbers 
hood is God
If i had Amagi lv 100 i would use her instead, or if we had Nagato in EN 
It is funny how portland and helena survived 4 minutes and they only could do 7k, i literally sitted in the back the whole fight
stuck copper
i die because i can't see
cosmic pier
stuck copper
game's too cluttered for that kind of content imho
ripe mantle
cosmic pier
you cant read too?
stuck copper
still waiting on my free shit
zinc smelt
Marrying tanikaze, this is bliss ~
cosmic pier
Mare just going after all the lolis 
zinc smelt
Yeah I am ~
I actually got the list of my married ships
Not all of them are lolis ๐ฆ
Married ship list:
Vampire
Enterprise
Javelin
Ayanami
Z46
Hobby
Kalk
Hood
Queen Elizabeth
Eldridge
Minneapolis
Warspite
Yuudachi
Akagi
Kaga
Z23
Hammann
Helena
Saratoga
Unicorn
Ning Hai
Ping Hai
Kagerou
Yamashiro
Tanikaze
Z1
glacial snow
stop typing like that before the mods come in
zinc smelt
zinc smelt
cosmic pier
lul
cosmic pier
stuck copper
dont pick a colour
cosmic pier
stuck copper
cosmic pier
:butwhy:
stuck copper
i guess the reverse psychology isnt working this time
stuck copper
yee
past oasis
dreamy turtle
stuck copper
:suffolkface:
zinc smelt
:suffolkface:
past oasis
stuck copper
fucking cute xD
past oasis
Yeah she is
stuck copper
one of my first retros
past oasis
Was my first
stuck copper
i went big into hms fleet in beginning 
past oasis
Same. Belfast was first oathed ship, and I lucked out with Illustrious, Liz and Hood early.
zinc smelt
Lel
stuck copper
it took me forever to get lusty'
cosmic pier
I only recently raised some hms stuff (notable queen and warspite) cuz I was running outta stuff to level
zinc smelt
My first PvP fleet was Leander, Suffolk, Edinburgh, QE, Unicorn, Hood
cosmic pier
now I got a shitton of stuff to level so back to not caring bout hms
stuck copper
how unpatriotic of you
cosmic pier
stuck copper
patched
cosmic pier
if I wanted to go patriotic n parrotic or whatever
I'd have to hate all USS n stuff ships
#IranLyfe
zinc smelt
USS got the best ship
stuck copper
iran XD
cosmic pier
๐ฎ
ripe mantle
I hate hobby
stuck copper
ripe mantle
blemish on my dock space
stuck copper
wait is that hobby
zinc smelt
cosmic pier
USS is prob my most developed faction, even tho well generally I do have a buncha ships from each of em
ripe mantle
Lolis arent cute so throw them away
ripe mantle
I think IJN has already taken over my dock
glacial snow
synd throw jintsuu away and see how long it takes for her to drop again
stuck copper
ye ijn is everywhere xD
zinc smelt
IJN and USS are huge
cosmic pier
GIB
zinc smelt
And then poor ironblood got like 15 ships
cosmic pier
is that from facebook
stuck copper
does it matter owo
stuck copper
sucks to be you 
cosmic pier
hm?
cosmic pier
guess the bot fucked up then
stuck copper
F
cosmic pier
that skin is gonna chip away another ~544 ish of my gold
stuck copper
default skin
zinc smelt
stuck copper
cosmic pier
not gonna bother with vamp's skin
got default, oath, and the nurse one is free
got enough
zinc smelt
Skins are never enough
ripe mantle
I'm not overly a fan of blondes, but not a fan of lolis so I can't see what is nice about the design
actually..do i even have a blonde waifu on the chart?
zinc smelt
The thing is that sheโs got blond hair and red eyes
On top on being a small girl 
Oh finally 7(?) oaths
glacial snow
Hornet can step on me anyday
cosmic pier
mhm
@zinc smelt had to drop javelin's l2d skin off my purchase list to grab double ring pack
which pushed my oaths to 7
jav's swimsoot will have to wait till I can find someone to beg for monis
stuck copper
it's pretty good. good thing i'm not into lolis.
zinc smelt
How would that be a good thing?
cosmic pier
uncultured folks 
stuck copper
i'd have to spend more money.
cosmic pier
I dont really see any of the starters as lolis really
actually now Im slightly regretting dropping the skin
maybe I'll gather some of mah own monis and grab some overpriced gift card and get it when it comes around
aahhhh
playing gachas is pain
stuck copper
what did you buy this event?
cosmic pier
pow skin but that was part of the plan
what made me temporarily drop jav's skin was the 2 ring pack I bought today @stuck copper
caved in
stuck copper
i only bought the ring pack because i treat it as 2 skins.
luckily, that javelin skin isn't out yet. there's still time.
cosmic pier
I mean, its not even a limited skin
but non limiteds got that juicy sale at the start
stuck copper
oh. well, then there's nothing to worry about, other than your own desire.
cosmic pier
its the sale
stuck copper
that skin is so tempting.
cosmic pier
aquan appreciates it more than I do
ripe mantle
not being into lolis is a good thing
cosmic pier
ripe mantle
Also i am eternally torn between santacat and fancy sexy dress cat
cosmic pier
both
stuck copper
i wish there were a button to change skins right in the main menu. having to scroll through my dock is a pain.
cosmic pier
you and your dumass "have to pick just 1 as the best and leave everything else" tendencies
cosmic pier
I mean, if you are actively using em and got em in a fleet you dont really gotta scroll through docks
@stuck copper
cosmic pier
ripe mantle
i mean most ships only have 1 good skin
like CV Kaga. NY skin is great and all, but the oath skin lines are fantastic
so why change
cosmic pier
they kinda look the same to me
take the hoodie thingie off and looks quite the same
butthats just my trashy eyes
cosmic pier
fancier but costs extra if you've already oathed
popping gems on both oath and an skin wasnt in the best of my interests but I've done it for 2 +1 ships already
cosmic pier
lel
ripe mantle
^
oblique mantle
Not before I see Duke in a dress
oblique mantle
Maybe
I need my Royals to be clothed
Her older sister Monarch has a skin before her
bleak condor
cosmic pier
Izumo skin when
ripe mantle
i wouldnt mind that
cosmic pier
gotta wait about a year for it