Unless someone does it while cargo is broken 
#wiki-feedback
quaint stream
Now let me find not harmless commands
gentle river
||now we gotta get rid of it||
quaint stream
||Kill all who know of the hacks||
gentle river
||need communication like broken cargo||
quaint stream
||It would be nice if we could communicate to all wiki editors but alas||
||Wiki needs a messaging system 
||
gentle river
||discord||
quaint stream
||Force all people who request an account to have discord ||
obtuse zenith
flat cargo
Don't purge the "Procrastina"
quaint stream
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Equipment all the images on this wiki page are missing
flat cargo
Fixed
quaint stream
ty
keen halo
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Equipment_Drop_Table missing images
elder locust
Purged cache, looks okay now? 
keen halo
fixed
supple kite
gentle river
thats a user page
im not sure why you're there
but
its not an actual page
so just ignore it
supple kite
ok
gentle river
we add random stuff into our user page to test things
thus "sandbox"
shell hawk
it literally is a sandbox page for testing ye
keen halo
Some campaign chapters have images missing like https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Chapter_3 etc.
fleet halo
should be fixed now 
sleek patrol
On the Building page, many of the ships have an asterisk (*) next to their names. What does this indicate (as there's no reference for it on that page)? It doesn't appear to be event-limited ships, because it's also next to things like Helena, Cleveland, York, etc. which I think are widely available.
quaint stream
@sleek patrol Place your mouse in them like this. It means they are only avaible for EN in that kind of constructions (they got removed from them in other servers because there are already too many ships in each category).
sleek patrol
D'oh! Thanks for cluing me in.
sleek yoke
just a suggestion: could you make a seperate "list of ships" for english version? sometimes it's not clear which ships are only available in JP/CN/KO versions and not in EN
or just add additional columns with O's and X's for the versions in there.
rugged trellis
this was already discussed a long time ago here, the conclusion was that this list should be enough
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers#Ships
sleek yoke
just a quick console edit about what i meant
rugged trellis
which page is this? this looks like list of ships by stat and server availability should not go there
thats what the servers page is for
sleek yoke
i added this with browser console just to show what i mean with my suggestion
with browser console you can edit a website for your personal view until you refresh the page or close it. it's not live.
rugged trellis
i know, i just want to know to which list you would like the server availability added and as i have already said, server availability is displayed on the servers page i have send above
sleek yoke
ooooh okay now i got it
i always used this list before
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Ships
rugged trellis
That table is already pretty big, so use the servers page if you want to know which ships aren't in the EN version
quaint stream
If it were ever added to list of ships it would only be one extra column with the server abbreviations listed in it instead of 4 separate columns
rugged trellis
the problem is that these list use cargo, so you would have to rebuild cargo again and we won't do this
quaint stream
Yeah that would be a bitch to do again 
we'd also have to change shipmain and stuff
rugged trellis
servers page is all good except the horrendous page size and first load time
quaint stream
Servers just lagged out my entire laptop 
lavish wraith
get a slave to compile a list of EN ships manually 
rugged trellis
we had this and it got removed because "list of ships not in EN is enough"
lavish wraith
oh we actually had one?
rugged trellis
thats what i read in old chat logs
wet bison
it was there until mid-January iirc
lavish wraith
that was a long time ago 
and waht happened to kawaiiiikaze?
wet bison
oh, until mid-January was the list of retros on EN: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Servers&diff=prev&oldid=52434
lavish wraith
tbh, its pretty easy to know which ships arent in EN just by playing for a couple of months, but i guess its an issue for some newbies.
cinder willow
I sometimes get surprised too when I discover that I can't get bote
quaint stream
Maybe we should make https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers#Ships a little easier to find, like adding it as a link in the list of ships page with the other different lists
Ive been using this wiki for 7 months and didnt know that page existed
rugged trellis
that page really needs some reworking
wet bison
btw just noticed Single 76mm AA (3rd Year Type) and Swordfish Mark II-ASV (Anti-Sub) as missing from EN when their white versions are present already
Single 76mm AA is Kongou's stock AA and white Swordfish is from a submarine box iirc
empty galleon
Arashio already hit the JP server
arctic violet
We can reduce /Severs page size by killing all the pictures?
rugged trellis
well we could, but should we?
As vampy suggested we could use compressed versions of the event banners instead of 32-bit PNG
lament ember
Found this on the Kaga page, and not sure if this is the right place to post this, but here it is very clear that Kaga will be doing the avenging
hardy hull
also are translation notes like "I'm not sure what it supposed to be, probably this" really belong there?
gentle river
someone has been adding
hardy hull
I've seen it more often recently, but maybe just never noticed before
gentle river
interesting notes
and we dont know who it is
15 second timer got me like
hardy hull
can't you see in history tho?
gentle river
like there is one that was “I will preform the contents of this letter” and they added a note with “this word is to play an instrument, how do you preform the notes of a mail”
we can look yes but we cant find what specifically and we dont know in what time they added them
lavish wraith
Restart has wiki acc
thick juniper
dum cleve
lavish wraith
hardy hull
it's not that difficult to find manually btw, you just take random revision from the middle and see if the change you need is there - if yes - go down the list some more, if not - go up 
lavish wraith
Restart is true bot, sorting algorithms 
lavish wraith
I'm out
thick juniper
@hardy hull booli
wicked elk
amagi page looks fucked up
obtuse zenith
, add ?action=purge at the end of the URL
wicked elk
ah ok thanks
teal fog
is it just me or is the button acros the top way to large? esp compared to all other tab buttons
arctic violet
Page/Discussion are mediawiki tabs
General/Quotes/Questline/History are about the right size, as they take you through the different sections
quaint stream
And they're also of different size than the little normal tabber ones as well cuz they are meant to stand out more (and run differently)
teal fog
hmm ok, they just seem a bit to big and use more space then necessary, i never noticed it before though
rugged trellis
they aren't that long there
flat cargo
What's the boiler doing there?
Give me a sec to check other wikis 
Both CN and JP wikis report 20%
I'm inclined to believe the current wiki value over the official translation.
pastel sable
Yeah, some of the earlier gear stuff will likely need a thorough do over, like the oil tanks initially (I think they got fixed)
flat cargo
Does the trello have an entry for that?
toxic chasm
Hey y'all, recently I tried to add some translations for Concord's JP voice lines as according to the EN version of the game. The changes aren't showing up, can anyone help with that? Thanks in advance.
flat cargo
@toxic chasm Do you have a wiki account?
Ok, I'm going to assume you're InCare
A) We're not using official EN translations yet, so I'm going to have to undo your edit 
B) It should be working, so idk what's up 
. I'll ask around.
flat cargo
@fleet halo ^
fleet halo
patent turret
I'm not sure if this was noted or not, but I assume it wasn't since it's not on the Wiki. Regarding her Idle, like and love quotes for Georgia; they reference to the acutal USS Georgia BB-15 regarding the fact that she was part of the Great White Fleet which traveled around the globe to showcase the US Navy and the "New steel fleet". Her Stanger quote refers to the state fruit of Georgia is the peach
There we go fixed it lol
sage basin
that's some interesting information
raven cradle
it is still possible to view kai avatar of ship on the wiki since i can't really select it anymore or maybe that just me?
an example of what i mean is this https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/b/b8/HyuugaKaiIcon.png
in the past when you select the kai version of a ship the avatar also change to the kai version
now it just stay at the non kai version regardless of which tab you select (kai / non kai)
the same goes for their color which in the past did change to elite from rare when moving between kai / non kai and now it just stay at the original rarity
it is intended or just need to wait for the team to finish updating everything?
fleet halo
hmm if u mean ship page it never changed 
raven cradle
in the past when you move between red then the purple avatar will change to their respective kai / non kai version
now it just stay at the non kai version
the same goes for their rarity which just stay at the original rarity instead of changing according to red
raven cradle
no idea but the system work fine before nagato so you can use that as a basic
since i was busy farming event so have no time to check thing on the wiki
fleet halo
i see maybe the new media wiki update broke it
for me only the chibi changed since i join like 1+ yr, maybe my browser?
raven cradle
yep same as me only the chibi change but the rarity and avatar stay the same
if it was intended then how / where i got that hyuuga kai link?
since i can't seem to get it now on the wiki
fleet halo
hmm u just want the icon?
raven cradle
yeh i just want yuubari kai icon atm but fixing the problem could also help in the long run lel
link to the icon like the URL of hyuuga from above would be appreciated
raven cradle
thanks you but like i said since it is not intended this way a fix could help in the long run if you have the time / be able to do it
quaint stream
I wonder if we would be able to somehow work that into the "if kai" section of shipmain 
I dont really think so and if so it wouldn't be easy
flat cargo
🤔
Avatar switching was never a feature afaik
raven cradle
if that was the case then how you explain me getting this avatar normally?
not through the search feature above but normally on the wiki?
in nowhere on the wiki where you can search up the kai avatar of a ship normally without doing specific search like nozokana provided
quaint stream
@raven cradle looking through the code now, it seems we have been attempting to make it all dynamic for retrofits but whoever was working on it gave up. Ill look into the code for this and see if I can get anything to work
raven cradle
rugged trellis
no not another shipmain edit
quaint stream
This would be one thats finishing something we half started
Shouldnt be much harder than making this for icon and rarity
Cuz the chibi one works fine
prime notch
327 errors on this page
quaint stream
Did you ever get your site scraper working
prime notch
ehhh finals is close so i havent worked on it, but ill see about it after
quaint stream
all our changes to stuff cant make it easy 
prime notch
really i just needed the data, and i think someone linked for a way to get an excel export of it but i didnt save the link
tight narwhal
I wanted to look at the record of Minneapolis and I come across this
tight narwhal
it works I did it several times before it does not work
quaint stream
I purged the cache so it should be fine now
prime notch
so what kind of database table does the wiki run on?
im trying to figure out how to select all the fields without having to type literally every single one
quaint stream
@rugged trellis I dont know whats scarier, the fact my edit didnt work or the fact it didnt do anything 
prime notch
the only logical conclusion i have found is that mediawiki based the database stuff on SQL and then didnt add a way to select all, so rip
rugged trellis
we use the cargo extension that afaik is an SQL database
but don't ask me about more technical details
prime notch
hrmm so someone sent me to the View Data page to exposrt stuff as a .csv, do you know another place to search?
is there an actual place where you can do
SELECT (stuff)
FROM (table)
WHERE (number) = 12
rugged trellis
well as an wiki editor you can do a cargo query
but without an account i think you can't do it
prime notch
well i think thats what im already doing
rugged trellis
oh yeah that works too
prime notch
its just do you know how to get every field without typing out every field?
rugged trellis
you mean a list of all fields?
prime notch
yeah i want literally the entire ship table
cuz i can just drop columns once i get it in my program
rugged trellis
prime notch
oh wait youre a genius, cuz now i can copy all the fields it lists in the link over to the other one and get the csv
actually i just added &format=csv to the end of that page and it worked
now i can do all the cool statistics stuff
rugged trellis
@quaint stream i think the switching of chibis is defined in the general css
quaint stream
I found where its defined, its part of ShipArtBorder template
rugged trellis
oh no
atleast we can definetely say that the changing icons never existed because of the templates transclusion stucture
keen halo
Seems like Aurora page has images missing https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Aurora
rugged trellis
fixed
i just purged all pages, why are they still broke
regarding the large code of chibis have you ever looked at the ship line section in ShipMain
rugged trellis
with the current implementation of ShipArtBorder its not possible to change the icon based on the tab selected
the only way would be to overlay the icon over the original one by position
but thats just evil
quaint stream
I also have not found a way to link it to the changing of the chibi
solid jay
Hyuukai's accuracy stat is missing
quaint stream
@solid jay
obtuse zenith
it's mostly for the 120 retrofits, the normal ones have them
solid jay
well the lvl 100 retrofit is missing as well
quaint stream
obtuse zenith
Oh, yeah those too
sage basin
we do have Lvl 120 Acc stat, no?
obtuse zenith
I can't tell if retrofit changes accuracy for some of them 
sage basin
you can check retrofit table for stat changing
shell hawk
it does in some cases and yes ^
normally it's reflected in the tree, like in ws kai case
obtuse zenith
why didn't i think of that
prime notch
well accuracy is a stat that depends on their hidden stat luck and also depends on the enemies stas aswell so do we know what enemy the accuracy is based on?
obtuse zenith
The accuracy stat is a variable used with the critical rate and accuracy formula, it's exact variable name is AttackerHit 
prime notch
wait you mean the Hit stat?
obtuse zenith
Hit stat is called accuracy in the wiki, yeah. In-game it's Hit
light sorrel
If I'm reminded later and you tell me which ships, I'll update them since I can't right now.
rugged trellis
Add ?action=purge at the end of the url
raven cradle
dense quest
rugged trellis
we are currently trying to work out why images get broken sometimes, hopefully gets fixed soon
arctic violet
@prime notch azurlane.koumakan.jp/Special:ViewData
For the tables and column values, azurlane.koumakan.jp/Special:CargoTables
prime notch
yeah already fixed my problem
stone nova
Is there a page/folder of all the chibis in one place? Not 100% necessary but would make parsing them into the sheet a bit faster
stone nova
That'd work
quaint stream
someone broke the wiki?
quaint stream
images all broken
rugged trellis
which page?
obtuse zenith
ah, yeah, that's been happening a while. add ?action=purge at the end of the url
stone nova
Is it possible for the wiki to add barrage gifs to the page? I heard the reason they weren't added was because of loading issues would be too slow, but would it be possible for the client to load them on request with like a tab or is it server side and it doesn't matter whether the client requests it?
flat cargo
We're not going to add gifs to a ship's main page. However, I think we're thinking about gallery pages where you might get those frequently requested barrage gifs. Don't quote me on that tho, since I'm fuzzy on details.
stone nova
That should work
high salmon
you can check barrage gif on chinese wiki tbh
stone nova
Am bad at navigating the wiki
gentle river
does it have text instead of images
crude belfry
Yes
gentle river
ok all good
crude belfry
Thx man
gentle river
next time just add this to the end of the url
?action=purge
crude belfry
Oh i got it thank
quaint stream
what did happen to the wiki
gentle river
?
quaint stream
it is all messed up and i cannot view the images of ships
gentle river
quaint stream
ok. why did it act like that?
gentle river
updates happened
quaint stream
i see...!!
keen halo
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Sims
Has images missing 
gentle river
just add this to the end of the url ?action=purge
light sorrel
I wonder if Kawa is a bot that was made to post that only.
gentle river
mellow matrix
keen halo
rocky dove
kawabot 
perhaps navi can add that auto repeat message here as well? if bot can handle it
gentle river
it’ll be fine I think
also, people do call me a bot just because im in #tech-support all the time...
keen halo
Kawa AI
restive finch
Can event histories be added: virtual connectivity synchronicity and operation mantou?
obtuse zenith
i can make the stories, but i guess there's some files that come with it if we include it on the wiki
also, i don't know exactly where to put them. gotta ask around, i guess
stone nova
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/7/70/AkashiChibi.png
for the 7/70 in the URL is there a specific pattern to the relation of the character chibi is it just a file ID?
Pic unrelated
elder locust
No, it's just a randomly generated directory ID. Happens with any multimedia file uploaded
stone nova
Got it thanks
molten karma
guys, did no one report the skills of this version of kizuna yet, or does she realy have no skills? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Elegant_Kizuna_AI
sage basin
eh, more like no one has updated that part... yet
light sorrel
@molten karma They are translated, I didn't upload them since they usually like to compare CN/JP version of the skills. If no one does in the following hours I'll just put the ones we have.
noble stone
Apologies, we'll try to be more diligent about getting the core info up in the future
light sorrel
Is that my post?
I think people always wanted to put the TLs of the skills rather than the EN ones directly.
Not really sure, I never did that part. @noble stone might know which ones we put on the wiki, so next time I can do it faster.
noble stone
EN are translated
the issue with old EN skill TLs was that we had no clue who was doing them and they tended to be inaccurate
but that's taken care of now
light sorrel
Alright I'll add EN ones then.
sleek patrol
Is there a page on the wiki which has a list of ships in each of the build pools (Light/Heavy/Special)?
wet bison
probably this: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Ship_Drop_Table (first 3 Construction columns)?
dry trench
noticed that some of the drop lists for the SP maps aren't complete so I wanna pitch in and post one for SP3. Missing ship seems to be Brooklyn since she's currently listed there on the wiki
obtuse zenith
thanks
obtuse zenith
quaint stream
obtuse zenith
those values are from 0 to +10
quaint stream
it should have 16 hit without enhance
according to wiki
CN wiki has it down same as us
I know the other two equips show wrong stats in game so maybe this does too?
quaint stream
Pyoko and Intel Chip
damn this update is so unpolished
Cuz CN isnt bugged and we have our stats down the same as theirs
prime notch
the only question is if its a display error or actual stat error in the game
quaint stream
Its an actual stat error I think cuz my Pyoko at +6 gives basically 0 ship power from the HP its supposed to give where it should give more than a +6 toolbox
rugged trellis
i checked the game files, its wrong there only for EN
prime notch
hrm its been awhile since ive used the power calc formula, is it +hit or +(hit/2)?
wait i have the wiki
prime notch
where even is the page with the power calc?
quaint stream
searchal Combat
shell knot
prime notch
oh, thats a slightly strange place for it, but thanks
prime notch
yeah i found it
wait, so i know we dont have the acc stats for all 120s, but do we have all the other stats for them?
quaint stream
We should have most stats
prime notch
well if you have all the other stats and then get the ship power for no equip 120s, then we can get all the acc stats from that
quaint stream
that is true
Especially since the wiki values are values from 100 affinity at lv. 100 and lv. 120
prime notch
also why doesnt the wiki have power stats? maybe you could get base with no equip, 100 no equip, 120 no eqip and then the retros
actually if we know base and 100 hit for all girls we can just calculate the power and put it in
quaint stream
Power stats really dont mean anything when it comes to the games damage calcs and are morso bragging rights so its not necessarily important
Cuz best in slot equips arent the ones that give the most power, so displaying them would be misleading
prime notch
yeah but im assuming the only way to find hit is to datamine or use powercalc
yeah thats why you do no equip but you are right about it not meaning anything
quaint stream
Ive also found the power calc to be slightly off at times especially on ships with retrofits
Cuz this is an approximation
I realized thats really hard to see so here:
Had my zoom at 75%
prime notch
ok so back when naviking was a mod, we had a conversation about this and went over what it actually meant, so lemme see if i can find those DMs
ok so i found the DMs
this needs to be reworded
Modernization, in general, follows this idea: the column value is +5 for each column, starting with a base of 10. Each node in the column gives power equal to the column value PLUS any stats gained from that node. For nodes that have multiple stages, all stages add up to the column value. Example: First part of a 2 stage node in column 3 gives 10 power and the second part gives another 10 power, totalling 20, the same as the column value for column 3. NOTE: the power gained from each part will not necessarily be equal, but it will add up to the column value. The last column will always have a column value of 50.
@quaint stream ^
this is how it works and ive tested just about every single part of it, the only thing i dont know is if the last column has 2 nodes, if its +50 for both, but i assume it is
quaint stream
Thats how ive always calculated it 
prime notch
you mean you were doing the way i said or the way the wiki says?
quaint stream
Way you said
prime notch
ok well can you change the wiki to say that? cuz the way the wiki says to do it is vague and wrong
quaint stream
Ye
prime notch
i didnt just retro my long island for nothing kek
quaint stream
collection
prime notch
wait can you mess with their modernization stuff with the collection?
quaint stream
Nope, but retro long island counts towards your collection %
prime notch
ohhhhh
quaint stream
Something still isnt adding up tho, I have a calculator that calculates the lv. 110 stats for ships based off the lv. 100 and 120 ones so I can see Akagi's hit atm and with her at love and no equips my calc is getting a reading of 1956 ship power when she should have 2346 @prime notch
prime notch
so it says she has 2346 in game?
quaint stream
Ye
prime notch
ok screenshot her stats
prime notch
her speed is 31?
quaint stream
Ye
lavish wraith
What about affection bonus?
prime notch
that is affection bonus
quaint stream
Wiki says we consider the stats to be with 100 affection
lavish wraith
quaint stream
Hence why im using a ship at love and not oath
Although maybe its supposed to be oath lemme try oathed stats
prime notch
no its 100 affection, no oathing
quaint stream
Aight
prime notch
also no matter what, the calc is wrong because i just did it and i got 2175.8 minus her hit stat
quaint stream
Weird how it could be wrong if im using this
prime notch
also this confirms that it either rounds up or just rounds on the display
is it an excel calc? can we see your formula?
SLOWMODE REEEE
quaint stream
I found my problem 
prime notch
what was problem?
quaint stream
I was missing a cell
quaint stream
thats a little better
lavish wraith
Which cell was missing?
quaint stream
Her aviation stat
prime notch
also why do you have .5s on some of your stats?
lavish wraith
Carrier not having aviation stat
quaint stream
I was using the calc for DDs before so
prime notch
i think it rounds so you should only have integers like on her stat screen
quaint stream
Rounding I end up with 2347
prime notch
no no on the actual stat cells her stats have .5s on them
quaint stream
Ye, I just changed it so they round in the cell stat before calculating
quaint stream
Have them like this now
lavish wraith
tho tbh, not really strictly #wiki-feedback material
prime notch
except her in game stats show 122, not 123
quaint stream
This is regarding the power calc formula on the wiki 
prime notch
also dont forget about updating the modernization tip
lavish wraith
Modernisation tip?
quaint stream
Modernization, in general, follows this idea: the column value is +5 for each column, starting with a base of 10. Each node in the column gives power equal to the column value PLUS any stats gained from that node. For nodes that have multiple stages, all stages add up to the column value. Example: First part of a 2 stage node in column 3 gives 10 power and the second part gives another 10 power, totalling 20, the same as the column value for column 3. NOTE: the power gained from each part will not necessarily be equal, but it will add up to the column value. The last column will always have a column value of 50.```
prime notch
quaint stream
Nice mousework 
lavish wraith
Maybe it's because I just woke up, but that paragraph of text confused the hell out of me
quaint stream
It makes sense to me
prime notch
it should, cuz that was an entire night of me DMing naviking back in january
lavish wraith
Okay, I read it again and got it 
prime notch
you have no idea how long we were completely confused when the first node gave 19 power instead of 10 and then we realized it also gave stats and in this case it was 45 health
quaint stream
Lets see if I can add modernization into my calc
So are the stats added into the stat portion of the calculation or the sum of modernization portion
prime notch
well you being wiki people, is there ever a retro chart where there is 3 nodes in a single column?
quaint stream
Ye
prime notch
oof
quaint stream
iirc could be wrong, lemme check
I may be wrong, the most I see on any is 2 separate nodes with at most 3 times you need to do said node
prime notch
modernization is the sum of the bottom row
individual parts is harder to do, cuz they can give non equal amounts, i know on javelin's col 5, she has a 2 part node where the first one gave 10 and the 2nd one gave 20
i know absolutely nothing about excel functions so dont ask me how to make it work
quaint stream
So that screenshot is how it takes into consideration each node and its just a matter of where the node is along the line that matters
prime notch
yeah its just how many nodes in a column
quaint stream
And needing to do the node say 2 or 3 times to finish it doesnt affect that
prime notch
or well how many node you have in a column
no that does affect it, but those parts of the node can have unequal amounts so its hard to calculate it unless its always the same amount for each one
jav has a col 5 with a 2 part node, first part gives 10 power, 2nd part gives 20 power
so a 3 part node isnt necessarily 10, 10, 10, it could be 5, 10, 15
but a completed node is always equal to the column value
is the wiki team exempt from the slowmode cuz tbh gimme an application
quaint stream
I wish we were
So even if a node has 2 or 3 parts to it it will always add up in the end to the set value, say 30 in col5?
prime notch
yes
quaint stream
And so then a column with 2 nodes in col5 would add 30 for each making 60 yes?
prime notch
yes
quaint stream
Aight I can make this calc work
Cuz we have these on the wiki for every ship with retros
prime notch
yeah but honestly the location doesnt matter
quaint stream
Just the column its in right
prime notch
yes, EXCEPT im not sure if L gives +35 or +50
lemme see if i have a bote with that node and see how much it gives her
aya and jav arent high enough level for it so for now idk, but im force feeding them until i can get that one
quaint stream
@prime notch one day ill get this mofo up and running
prime notch
lol
quaint stream
@prime notch Well, it should now work for both manual input for any level between lv. 100 and 120 as well as the way you see there where you plug in the numbers for 120 and 100 and it gives you 110. I also managed to get the oath setting running although I need to do a few more runs to calibrate it before I consider it fully functional.
Oath atm has 3 different settings for 100 affinity (0), oath-199 affinity (1), 200 affinity (2)
The equipment section is fully functional
The retrofit section is fully functional
Fully functional by my standards as I dont know exactly where the game rounds each values is within 3 of the actual power value displayed in game.
Making calculators for this stuff is hard work
prime notch
looks good
quaint stream
I swear if they get me to make the calculator that will give you the ship stats at any level they have been talking about adding to the wiki
prime notch
are stats linear? like if i want to know lvl 47 stats is it just (lvl 100 - base)/100 * 47?
quaint stream
base to 100 is linear and 100 to 120 is linear but base to 120 is not linear
Graf Spee for example has 7 eva at base, 18 at lv100 and 54 at lv. 120
prime notch
oh
also i thought javascript was banned on the wiki
how are you gonna make a calculator if you cant use programming?
prime notch
yeah youll need some actual programming if you want it to be fast in any way
you could probably just have a link to a github page where they can download it and run it
although it would still need the ships stats so this is puzzling
quaint stream
just make it run through dunkeks dps calc which already has a library of all the ship stats
prime notch
well yeah but it doesnt have the newest found stats
quaint stream
One thing I've found weird is that 200 affinity has something about it that makes it not work. For LaffeyKai HP it should be (((1815+2145)/2)/1.06)*1.12) but that gives a value of 2092 instead of 2083 like its supposed to
However for Spee at lv. 107 would be ((((((3877+4361)/2)-3877)/10)*7)+3877)/1.06)*1.09 and that does give a value of 4161 like its supposed to
@prime notch So I dont know how to fix that 
wet bison
it's probably the retrofit HP bonus
quaint stream
I checked that and my value is off by a lot more if I consider that
Lemme try something tho
Huh, you were right @wet bison
wet bison
I mean I knew the actual stat calc formula beforehand
quaint stream
(((((1815+2145)/2)-165)/1.06)*1.12)+165) gives 2083
barren blaze
the ship droplist legend for black should be updated, they also drop for the en server I think
quaint stream
Can you send a URL for that page
barren blaze
or rather the black borders here https://gyazo.com/b52bd7a660a38d20798d0e99eec8cf05 should be updated as at least some of them drop on en too
quaint stream
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Template:Icon-Hover
@gentle river so take the color coding out of this template?
lavish wraith
sometimes i forget kawaa is wiki
gentle river
we cant have color coding for color blind people
so anything to remove it is a yes
quaint stream
Kawa is not grass Kawa is pink
lavish wraith
and i like pink
gentle river
I used to be grass
quaint stream
If we are gonna get rid of the color coding we have to replace it with some other means of coding
If I change it now it breaks everywhere that links to it
gentle river
quaint stream
Unless I just set the color to white or no border
shell hawk
tooltips wouldn't work either on mobile so
lavish wraith
screw en then
gentle river
can set to no border I guess
we can discuss how to organize EN and the separates in #466119672165695488
dry trench
SP3 drop list's missing Raleigh, other than that everyone else on SP3's accounted for
prime notch
so just to be sure, the wiki CANNOT have any javascript?
cuz i had a mobile friendly way to make a pop out window where you could display more info by tapping parts of the screen
gentle river
you need to ask for permission with the complete js
prime notch
but it requires javascript as it had to generate the html required for it
unless you guys know how to generate a page without js, cuz i know almost nothing about web stuff
AHA i found the website and they havent killed the database due to inactivity yet
so i highlighted what happens but it needs small functions for it to work with the onclick attributes of the divs
rugged trellis
@prime notch where would this be useful?
prime notch
well they said tooltips dont work for moblie, so this would be a way to display info for both pc and mobile
honestly i dont know enough about the wiki to tell you exactly where it could work, but it worked for our website project to declutter the screen
it also meant that we didnt need separate pages for everything, but i think the girls have way too much info to not get their own pages
barren blaze
https://gyazo.com/7596ba3bfb417295118cc749b1cee708
legend can be erased since their is no color scheme anymore
https://gyazo.com/7be2bcd90fe7e70c39a9c467b74794b4
the drops per world still need to be updated
gentle river
we're still working on it so
barren blaze
btw I like ur solution xd
gentle river
all thanks to xhenoz for taking up the task of substituting color codes
quaint stream
I try my best
@barren blaze the new code isnt entirely compatible with the new code so im in the process of rewritting all the code
quaint stream
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Commissions Some of the English names of commissions are wrong. For example, "小型观舰仪式" is called "Small Launch Ceremony" instead of "Small-Scale Fleet Observation Ceremony"
gentle river
are u translating that directly or pulling it from EN?
quaint stream
please don't file dmca takedowns
rugged trellis
I'm going to pull the whole comission data from the files to fix all the names and add the new ship types but for now imma go sleep
gentle river
deleted binary’s github haha 
austere ledge
Ok
noble stone
Reminder that official EN naming takes precedence over CN/JP fan/amateur translations. Keep the original CN/JP text as well though
quaint stream
@rugged trellis I fixed it
rugged trellis
I'm still gonna pull the data from the files because of the missing ship types
Oh and @fleet halo you can give @quaint stream wiki team role
thick juniper
elder locust
@gentle river 
no
gentle river
what!!
||someone sent ur github and then they deleted it thinking they’d get banned 
||
elder locust
quaint stream
@barren blaze okay, https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Ship_Drops is all updated with the new template I made
Or at least will be in a sec, w9-13 broke 
safe mural
howdy spelling error on akagis page https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Akagi-chan "earily" should be "early"
lavish wraith
fixed
safe mural
thanks bae (which is funnier considering my name is Helena)
question my love, if I speak Japanese can I give an English translation, or is it the in game one?
gentle river
such intimate nicknames......
you have to sign up for an account through our wiki if you want to do such thing
nocturne loom
yo
<@&474660785050615808>
anyone can try this for me ? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/448514657058291724/572882912228147220/unknown.png
With akagi
their build ;
reppuu : 9.76
helldriver : 11.10
cuda : 9.63
gentle river
why’d I get a notification for that 
also you dont need to ping the wiki staff for that, let the wiki team eventually see it
quaint stream
I could prob go and make a calculator for that right now
nocturne loom
oh ok, sorry haha
because i wanted to see how you guys calculate this formula
and compare my result to your
quaint stream
you get about 22.9658 with that one up there im like 99% sure
nocturne loom
i got 20.6607437012
but with a different formula and without akagi's passive
10.3303718506 with her passive
9.92440130447 with her + nagato's passive
but it was with a different formula as i said, i didn't understand the formula from the wiki so i want to see how the staff do
based on my build btw
quaint stream
The only problem with me calculating atm is I dont know how many planes each slot sends
prime notch
just grind your akagi until you can check
quaint stream
I have a lv. 110 Akagi
nocturne loom
like, how many helldriver send ?
quaint stream
Ye, cuz iirc thats the number(Plane) part
nocturne loom
I see, so you need to see in game how many planes is sent...
quaint stream
There should be somewhere that says it on the wiki
quaint stream
Luckily for you im about to do a SP4 boss node with her 
nocturne loom
thanks a lot, i want to see your result haha and see how it works
quaint stream
The only difference is I have an F6F instead of a Reppuu but the same number of them should go up
nocturne loom
what planes do you have ? i can change if needed
quaint stream
F6F, Helldiver, Barracuda. So nearly identical
quaint stream
Ye
nocturne loom
ok i'll calculate with my formula while you're checking
quaint stream
Looks to be 3 fighters, 3 torp bombers and 2 dive bombers
nocturne loom
got 11.6911037042
with akagi's passive
quaint stream
Ah see now, each one is a base of 1 plane and she has a +2 fighters, + 2 torp bombers, +1 dive from her limit breaks
And whats your fighter cooldown time in that scenario?
nocturne loom
Hellcat
quaint stream
Yes but the cooldown time, your akagi is oathed which will make it slightly less than mine
nocturne loom
oh yeah, she is
200 pts affection
quaint stream
And by her passive do you mean her -50% first airstrike launch time?
quaint stream
So, without her passive I get about 21.08647s which is approximately using the cooldown of a F6F on an oathed Akagi (~10.19s), and with her passive I get 10.59323s
nocturne loom
can you write me the formula with the statistics
quaint stream
(((((10.19 x 3) + (11.1 x 2) + (9.63 x 3))/(3 + 2 + 3)) x 2.2 x sqrt(200/(100 + 129))) x 0.5) + 0.1
nocturne loom
got 21.0066855217 without her passive
ok let me see
prime notch
@quaint stream use x instead of *
nocturne loom
i prefer * haha
prime notch
oh you fixed it already
quaint stream
I cant use * cuz its they syntax for italics
Her passive is a weird one which doesnt affect the skill bonus section but rather the cooldown as a whole
nocturne loom
we will compare with my friends @quaint stream
w8 mate
quaint stream
Hi
nocturne loom
we got almost the same result but with a different formula so see now aka
quaint stream
What was weird was Nagato's CD
But Xhenoz stated it doesn't belong to the Skill bonus section
Nagatos iirc would go in skill bonus
So i assume it applies after every CD have been applied
Akagi's is weird cuz it affects the timer itself and not a stat
Lemme calc with Nagatos buff
Well was just wondering what to put in the Skill bonus section but putting 0,50 was the right choice
And what's more where did you get the numbers of planes you counted them on the Screen during launching ?
this is with Nagato
nocturne loom
10.3303718506
our
quaint stream
@quaint stream each ship has a base of 1 of each of its planes, akagi has +2 fighter, + 1 db and +2 torp bombers from her limit breaks so that ends up as 3, 2, 3 for her plane counts
Oh yeah right it slipped my mind
I did count them to figure that out tho
For nagatos buff this section would be 100+(129 x (1 + 0.2))
But how's calculated if you stack up Nagato's passiv + 50% from Akagi's passiv same formula but with (1+ 0,7) or is it different ?
Nagatos is a reload buff, Akagis is a timer cut. So Nagatos will be added to the skill bonus section and Akagi will be the end value of the calculations x 0.5 +0.1
nocturne loom
aaaaaaaaaa
prime notch
i think akagi's skill is not in that bonus cuz its special but even if it was, it would be (1+2[akagi]+0.2[nagamon])
quaint stream
If Akagis affected reload it would be like that yes
Ok so in overall skill affecting stats are calculated in Skill Bonus section and everything else is at the end
Akagis is the entirety of this halved
So just take what you get from this and divide it by 2 then add 0.1 to it
Everything looks ok except this 0,1
prime notch
code probably goes something like:
cooldown = calc_cooldown(stats)
if(akagi): cooldown = cooldown/2
quaint stream
The 0.1 is the absolute cooldown which skills and bonuses dont touch
prime notch
oh is that to make sure they dont somehow reach 0 cooldown?
quaint stream
Ye
prime notch
launches infinite airstrikes
quaint stream
Everything has an absolute cooldown
Oh yeah you cut it from the screen so i forgot about it mb
I have a random excel sheet of calculators now
One for DD reload, one for CV reload and one for ship power
Better than using google's calculator
prime notch
if it was easy to steal the relevant info from the wiki, i would make a program do all the calculations
quaint stream
The DPS and eHP ones Ill leave to the experts Maj and Dunkek
prime notch
accurate DPS is basically impossible without the Luck stat
quaint stream
Even the critical rate stat seems impossible to accurately calculate
Luckily we have the luck stats on the wiki 
prime notch
not all the luck stats though, unless you actually do and i missed it
last time i was told to make a DPS calc i had to figure out that luck wasnt displayed 
nocturne loom
our fomula was (plane1Reload x aviation stat + plane2Reload x aviation stat + plane3Reload x aviation stat) / by the sum of the aviation stat x 2.2 x sqrt(200/(100+129 x skillbonus) + 0.1
close result
quaint stream
thats a very interesting formula
nocturne loom
@quaint stream the creator
quaint stream
Basically it's just like using 4,5 planes instead of 3
@prime notch 99% if not all of the luck stats are on the wiki, I just checked
prime notch
BOIS IM MAKING CALCULATORS
nocturne loom
so (9.76* 45 + 11.10* 25 + 9.63* 45)/115 * 2.2 * sqrt(200/(100+129*7)) + 0.1
akagi with her passive + nagato
and our result was very close to your
but now i can understand the formula on the wiki
quaint stream
Now back to loliland on unoffi discord
Back to calibrating my ship power calculator
nocturne loom
thanks for your help shenoz too
quaint stream
Np
hardy hull
Loli ships say that they come from Synchronicity event on their pages
all 3 of them
Event is actually called "Escape from the Port"
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Escape_from_the_Port
prime notch
kizuna ai's virtual youtuber kids
obtuse zenith
fixed
slender birch
akagi-chan lv.100 stats is still blank 
safe mural
how do I sign up for a wiki account to help out?
shell hawk
@slender birch don;t think we have the datamines for em at the moment
slender birch
its okay someone added it already
lavish wraith
@safe mural you can sign up for an account on the wiki site, subject to approval by wiki staff. What do you intend to help out on?
shell hawk
safe mural
Just spelling errors and whatnot
shell hawk
just click request account
safe mural
Or adding artist infos
shell hawk
and then the wiki staff will decide
lavish wraith
New resident gammar nazi? Is maj going to be replaced?
shell hawk
maj made a massive typo on the combat page for AS
lavish wraith
Ah, a grammar nazi fallen from grace.
safe mural
Well I tend to report spelling issues or ask to add someone's twitter information a lot rip
obtuse zenith
More grammar nazis are always better
lavish wraith
please do not correct the Queen's English to USA English tho please
safe mural
On the Sakura Empire page it says "Japanese ships belong to the Sakura Empire. These girls either have animal ears or tails, or are oni (a type of demon in Japanese mythology)." but Choukai has nothing
obtuse zenith
Choukai has them lol, floppy ears
lavish wraith
When did we have nation pages
safe mural
...I thought that was hair this whole time
obtuse zenith
The ships that don't have odd ears are shoukaku and zuikaku, i think
safe mural
So is that statement really accurate? Shouldn't it be "usually" and not "either"
lavish wraith
Anyways we should not use blanket statements as there are always situations like this.
safe mural
Agano doesn't seem to have them either
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Sakura_Empire if anyone wants to change it -COUGH-
lavish wraith
I would but I'm on mobile
left cliff
anyone else confused by the rewards table on https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Operation_Mantou_EN ? cause I read it column by column, not row by row ...
safe mural
I agree lol
lavish wraith
I read row by row tho
wet bison
it's inconsistent with Akashi's gifts then: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Akashi's_Shop#Akashi.27s_Gifts
safe mural
also is it me or is Azuma's picture not long enough?
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Azuma
lavish wraith
IIRC most events had them by column
light sorrel
@slender birch @shell hawk I added them, had to make some fixes to my calculator.
shell hawk
slender birch
good job
its accurate i think atleast for akagichan since my akagichan is 100 already
safe mural
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Azuma Last additional line it says Kongo(with the -) above it but the translation has the U (wait why is it in English? when ppl like Chou don't even have it in EN https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Choukai)
obtuse zenith
Translator difference?
safe mural
no i mean the chinese says (sortie with Deustch) but its in English to say that, whereas Choukai's doesnt have it at all and is in Chinese to say it
obtuse zenith
I dunno the rules on using the ō, but they mean the same, i think?
quaint stream
I think she means there's english in chinese lines
safe mural
theres no reason for hers to be in english
I'm a girl but yea that's what I mean right now. The first half was that Kongou should be Kongou and not with the o. So both are mistakes
lavish wraith
Doesn't really matter IMO. Consistentecy is a issue yes but there many people working on the wiki.
quaint stream
sorry
safe mural
there's still english in the chinese lines tho. also np
gentle river
lavish wraith
Is pachurii translator too?
gentle river
never seen them before
quaint stream
I can translate chinese
lavish wraith
Oh same 
are you new or old I've never see you around
wet bison
joined yesterday
lavish wraith
Oh nice
rugged trellis
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Operation_Mantou_EN#Event_Rewards
i have switched majuu and reward colums
gentle river
make sure to #466119672165695488
rugged trellis
it was requested here so i wanted to say it here
sage basin
mfw inconsistency needs to be dealt with
safe mural
mood
safe mural
Yay I was approved :D
shell hawk
@fleet halo ^ wiki team role pls
fleet halo
cedar ivy
compact night
Are you referring to the (i) or the (ii) being different?
rugged trellis
thats because you made two upgrades ingame (i+ii), but in the wiki we have combined them into one row
wet bison
wait, in other rows (I)/(II)/(III) match the number of times to complete corresponding nodes, except that D node
and actually I still don't know what (I)/(II)/(III) on a node should denote --- the number of times to complete the node or the index number of that type of upgrade in the retrofit tree
sage basin
left cliff
@wet bison seems to be the first one, which just also happens to be the latter one in many cases
slender robin
it looks like this page is missing fusou or am i just dumb https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Ships_with_Remodel
wet bison
@slender robin should be fixed now 👍
slender robin
nice
wet bison
you used Retrofit = 1 instead of Remodel = 1
sage basin
...dang it
hardy hull
Azuma third skill has asterisk after "improved", but there's no explanation or annotation anywhere
gentle river
probably a
typo
barren blaze
U could add the commander lvl requirement to get specific daily quest
stone nova
Faction Technology strengthens shipgirls (regardless of faction)
(From Faction Tech on research page)
Can this (regardless of faction) anecdote be explained a bit more? It seems to suggest that all ships get the buff from faction buffs regardless of what faction they come from
barren blaze
i think thats the point
stone nova
I’ve gotten a lot of people saying that i the faction buff only buffs ships of their factions.
If it is buffs for all ships regardless of factions, can you tell me if they stack directly or is there something else to it like highest stat or level?
elder locust
Yes, after it's been researched the buff applies to all ships of the corresponding hull class
Just added on top of the other stat buffs
stone nova
That sounds pretty good
quaint stream
We should add to the note in that case that "all ships of the corresponding hull type, regardless of faction" instead of just "regardless of faction"
That may slightly lessen confusion
stone nova
oki
quaint stream
Instead of:
"Faction Technology strengthens shipgirls (regardless of faction)"
Maybe we could change it to:
"Faction Technology strengthens all shipgirls of a corresponding hull type (regardless of faction)"
@stone nova would that be less confusing?
stone nova
Yep
quaint stream
Okay its changed now
tough furnace
does only the highest level of the buff apply for each faction or all of the levels?
quaint stream
Iirc its only the highest level, at least from what Maj said in #466119672165695488
rugged trellis
when i read the question i was like deja vu, i have been in this place before
mental fractal
it would be very strange for it not to be just the highest for each faction
mental fractal
added highlighting
open carbon
On the Commissions page, there's actually 10 Daily Resource Commissions and Night Commissions appear at 8 PM Pacific Time.
rugged trellis
(maybe needs more research to confirm) wtf does that note even do there
gentle river
lmfaooooo yikes
rugged trellis
@open carbon can you translate this into hours before daily reset?
austere bone
..... Wouldn't that be 4hrs there?
gentle river
20:00
rugged trellis
if thats the server time
gentle river
im the same time zone as the game
austere bone
Server time is PST/PDT
gentle river
its 20:00 from 24:00
4 hours before reset
rugged trellis
then i will change it to 4 hours before reset and not "20:00" so everyone knows what time is meant
stone nova
Does the wiki specifically say if a ship isn't out on EN yet or does it assume the readers are on JP?
Reason I'm asking is that Abercrombie has no mention of not being available on EN
gentle river
search servers and scroll down to EN
it shows whats not in EN
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers#Ships
we update it asap
stone nova
Would it be possible to update the individual ship pages or would that be too much work?
gentle river
to make it state its not in EN?
stone nova
On the individual page yea
gentle river
p sure its in the additional notes sometimes
regardless
we have that list for a reason and we expect people to use it
stone nova
Abercrombie doesn't have it anywhere on the page.
rugged trellis
Some additional notes are hidden and only stored in cargo
gentle river
this is easy to navigate
stone nova
Oki, well it's just my feedback. If no one else has any issues I guess no need to fix.
gentle river
pls dont look at my battery
rugged trellis
@gentle river easy to navigate, but takes ages to load the first time
gentle river
mine loaded instantly on mobile
rugged trellis
Probably cached on your end, that page is 15MB big (and was 19MB big a few days ago)
gentle river
knowing discord and how it caches everything, yeah prob
rugged trellis
and good luck using mobile view on it, you'll be scrolling for eternity
hardy hull
we have that list for a reason and we expect people to use it It's pretty well hidden for a list that you expect people to use
It's a feedback I already gave before and will continue to give - "Servers" is not the page anyone going to check when looking for which ships are on or not on EN.
I remember suggesting at least link to this page from "List of Ships" but I guess not
stone nova
Maybe rename the page tab to something like “Server Content Differences” or something like that
raven cradle
don't know if this is the correct place to post this or not but @thick juniper made the PR exp grind list and azuma border is of the normal PR ship and not of DR / UR (?) whatever it's called
raven cradle
thick juniper
is fixed
raven cradle
quaint stream
@hardy hull I had also suggested making it a main page as one of the list of ships subcategory, when I get home I'll figure out how to add it to there. Ive used the wiki for almost 8 months and been wiki team for almost 5 and didnt learn of the servers page till a few weeks ago
@raven cradle sorry about that, I made that portion of the page with Azuma at like 5am
raven cradle
at least we know who your best girl is in PR 2 lel
quaint stream
My user page has less useful things on it than poot, like my waifu list 
raven cradle
quaint stream
@hardy hull Okay, that should be a little easier to find now
stone nova
Shouldn't the skin be L2D?
stone nova
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers#English_Server
In the tab where it shows skins EN doesn't have yet
Sorry if it's a bit silly to fix a minor issue on an obscure tab of an obscure page
fleet halo
ah ok cause i was looking at the skin page 
stone nova
NP, thanks for helping!
inner stream
I just notice... If you sortie a team full of IJN and Cleveland, Cleve will say " "hao"... " (something, I dont quite remember) when encounter Flagship. I couldn't find this dialogue on the wiki...
obtuse zenith
what ships did you sortie with her, like who exactly?
quaint wigeon
inner stream
@quaint wigeon
wet bison
yeah, that voice line triggers when you sortie Cleve with someone else drawn by the artist named Hao, who also drew Cleve
rugged trellis
the wiki and ingame lines are different because ingame is the EN voice line, while the one on the wiki is CN translation
sleek patrol
Kaga (CV): 2nd Skill Ikkousen current reads: "When paired with Akagi oder Akagi-chan..."
quaint stream
Just noticed that myself and am fixing
If I didnt get a gateway timeout to the wiki
@sleek patrol fixed
sleek patrol
On that note, what has been up with the wiki the last couple days? Some host problem or something?
left cliff
seems like someone's crawling us and thereby causing a DoS attack
gentle river
jif said we were crawled so yes
sleek patrol
austere bone
So does CV Kaga's skill work with Akagi-chan? Just like how having BB Kaga with Akagi?
barren blaze
"My little wolves brought your letter. Heheh, you seem to have really caught their interest." Nagatos extended line instead of wolves her theme would be rather foxes
stone nova
The wiki states that the oil received for scrapping for I-19 and U-81 is 4 but testing shows they drop 3.
safe mural
^ It actually says "my children"
rugged trellis
@wheat needle did you do the edits on the kizuna event page?
quaint stream
slowly we identify wiki editors
wheat needle
@rugged trellis yep sorry, fixed it, thought it looked fine in preview though so not sure what happened. cause was my left bracket key isn't working sometimes sorry for the inconvenience
rugged trellis
its okay, just wanted to confirm so we can give you wiki team role
since nozo is probably sleeping i'll have to ping @hardy hull for this
wheat needle
wew! and wiki team role 
quaint stream
Now we just need for wiki staff Nozo to come online and you can join our cult secret channel
flat cargo
The cult is mainly about enslaving Xhenoz to do all of our work
quaint stream
hes not wrong
hardy hull
I mean I can give a role, but it's mostly wiki things, so I'll leave it to nozo
gentle river
nozo probably has to check their application and match the discord but im 99% sure its the same person
rugged trellis
does nozo really do that
gentle river
considering the discord we made for wiki had everyone’s accounts integrity verified before even being allowed into the server, I said probably
quaint stream
I verified by making a userpage on the wiki
wheat needle
good idea! just created mine with my Discord ID listed: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/User:Pizzabiscuits
hardy hull
fine
wheat needle
thick juniper
👀
fleet halo
pastel sable
Doing some reference work using the audio cues on the wiki, seems that Universal Bulin's Details audio is the wrong one.
Checking further, it seems it's just using the Trial Mk2's Details audio.
rich fiber
safe mural
Is Teacher of Philosophy (Z23) skin a collab?
obtuse zenith
Z23 sensei skin should be added to collab skins as well cuz it was originally from the Bilibili collab event and then later put into an event thinkeugen
safe mural
It is under it already
obtuse zenith
From xhenoz
safe mural
But I didn't know with what tfw I posted in the wrong group
obtuse zenith
Yeah, i copypasted his message also yeah, wrong chat
sleek patrol
Is there a page that explicitly lists unlocks that are tied to commander levels? I see parts of them on different pages, but not a consolidated list
left cliff
don't think so, I've looked for it myself a while ago
median turret
Hi, wiki doesn't include the 'since the start of the battle' part. Wiki makes it look more op lol
gentle river
well its translated from jp/cn so I wouldn’t be surprised if they didnt include it tbh
will let someone else handle that since im going to sleep
and someone who can translate bc its odd we’d miss it
fleet halo
at least from cn / jp, the skill doesnt necessary need the start of battle to buff
so lets say monarch lose hp during the battle, her reload will increase accordingly
pastel sable
I think they're referring to the fact that any HP lost before the battle doesn't count for the buff, which isn't 100% clear in the wiki description.
median turret
Yes that's what I'm saying ^^
fleet halo
pastel sable
Though, on a 2nd look, I think it's just counting HP below 20%
So even if she has 16% HP on battle start, the buff should count for that 4%?
fleet halo
let me cut off the sentence
pastel sable
I'm unsure if it's the wiki or the game that has an issue
fleet halo
it is actually like 2 skills in 1 
pastel sable
Wait, my head is off. sequencing of the thing was confusing me
median turret
I'm going into help to ask cn lol
pastel sable
So basically, any loss of hp should contribute to the reload buff?
pastel sable
However, already lost HP in the previous battle won't count?
fleet halo
it counts
pastel sable
Okay, so that means if monarch loses 1% HP in one battle then goes to another and loses 1% HP, she should have 2 extra reload? Just being 100% certain
fleet halo
no think of it like this
every time she -1% hp she get 1 extra reload in stat as an active buff
lets say u drop 20% hp in 1st battle
u will +20 reload as buff for any battle
median turret
That's what I thought. Thank you.
pastel sable
For any battle? Sorry that I'm being nitpicky, so let's say the 1st battle she lost 20% hp, and got the +20 reload. She goes to the 2nd battle and loses 5% HP. does that mean she has a 25 reload buff?
sage basin
I guess so
fleet halo
yup
pastel sable
That means the in game description is a bit off
median turret
I'll report it as a bug when I'm in work then
pastel sable
Makes it sound like only the HP lost when the battle start counts toward the buff
sage basin
this sounds more like someone overcomplicates her skill description
...which is a bit hypocritical, coming from me
median turret
It should say at the start of the sortie. Or just not say it at all ^^
pastel sable
Probably better as For every 1% below max HP, increase reload by 1.
median turret
Yes
obtuse zenith
Or 1% missing hp
pastel sable
Unless the buff doesn't activate as HP decreases, and at the start of the battle only?
I'm wondering why they included since the battle starts.
median turret
because dodgy translations
obtuse zenith
Could be it's like sheff's, where it only checks the hp at the start like flyflu said
pastel sable
Yeah, that's what I was thinking, if it's like sheff's then it needs some tweaking (and the wiki as well). I'll need to clarify the details, though.
fleet halo
both cn and jp skill didnt mention start of battle, so i am not sure why they added it for en 
but ya it might be like shef
median turret
I have reported it. Thank you for your confirmations guys 
pastel sable
I'll get it sorted on the TL end, and post an update here if I get the info.
fleet halo
pastel sable
I think the wiki is accurate, at least from what I gleaned. Will let you know otherwise, but ingame is being fixed.
stone nova
for T-018 has a 2 hour research time and I think the T-249 has a 6 hour process time but the source I had could not confirm it.
rugged trellis
I checked the game files, T018 has 3 hour and T249 has 6 hour
stone nova
Hmm. Ok thanks for confirming then
Do the game files state the baseline minimum and/or averages for PR BP and Gold EQ rewards for each research type?
stone nova
Ok thanks
stone nova
Is there an E series research project for the twin 100mm high angle gun? I don't see it on the wiki but I see one for every other PR1 gun
Also do the game files state how many comms it takes to complete for T-249?
stone nova
It does say in game, I just have yet to get one to spawn and no one has submitted a t-249 to the collective my dms
And same for the 100mm high angle
quaint stream
fixed
hushed moss
Wiki dont have list of ingame loading CG?
feral spruce
it is a work in progress
i have rather limited time to work on it though
at the moment the ones that are uploaded are on the individual ship pages of the ships in the images
hushed moss
Okay good to know
The artist page is good enough for me to follow their pixiv
barren blaze
left cliff
we are aware, something broke in MediaWiki
also, you can just give us the URL next time, that's better than a screenshot without telling us where you took it in those cases ;)
native dagger
is doing the ?action=purge thingy alright for the missing thumb thingy?
rugged charm
in elegant kizuna page (the CA version) dont u guys mean "main gun mount" instead of "main gun base"? (consistency checking)
left cliff
well, technically EN game says "Main gun base"
so she's correct and everything else is wrong ^^
sage basin
Nozo editted it to Main Gun Mount anyway
sleek patrol
Would it be difficult to make it so that individual map pages also have the Hard mode info? When you go to a Chapter page (like Chapter 3) it shows all 4 or 5 maps, and if applicable there are tabs for showing the details on the hard mode version. But if I were to go to the individual page for 3-4, you can't view the hard mode data from there, and there also doesn't appear to be individual pages for hard mode at present
flat cargo
flat cargo
I wonder why the map page doesn't have the hardmode tabber.
I'll see what I can do.
rugged trellis
because hard mode has been added to chapter pages for some reason
stone nova
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Research_Academy#B_series_.28Data_Collection.29
For the B-397-RF projects should they have the same serial code for both CH-12 and CH-13 like the other B series or are their serial codes different? Just curious since this doesn't seem to follow the usual serial code patterns and I can't test it myself.
rugged trellis
yes they are the same
i haven't checked it but maybe the naming scheme is different for CN than EN, since these two are only in CN
nope, CN naming is same as EN
stone nova
So these are the only 2 projects with the same serial code and different requirements?
rugged trellis
i would have to check it (that would take quite some time), i only know that some projects are listed two times with same requirements/drops/name
stone nova
How hard would it be for me to learn enough lua to search myself?
rugged trellis
well you would have to iterate through a table and check the name field, its not really that hard
i'm currently eating now and want to finish that first
stone nova
I see, no rush. If you can send me the lua files later or just tell me where to find them I'll stumble around through them to see if I can figure it out ||or give up and just trust your word||
rugged trellis
stone nova
Ok, so i did a quick scan of the sheet, it looks like there are 4 entries of B-397-RF in the script.
They seem to be exactly the same except for different Ids, and 2 have lv_limit = 85, and 2 have lv_limit = 80
This condition = 52010 also changes but it corresponds with the lv_limit = 85 so I'm guessing it might be a total exp amount check?
Mhmm, it's not the only one with multiples though.
C-038-RF also has 4 different copies. 2 of each are exactly the same with different IDs, and the only difference is in this block of code
ID 1101-1102
drop_client = {
{
2,
52011,
1
},
{
2,
52012,
1
},
{
2,
52003,
1
},
{
2,
59001,
1
}
}```
ID 1001-1002
```lua
drop_client = {
{
2,
52001,
1
},
{
2,
52002,
1
},
{
2,
52003,
1
},
{
2,
59001,
1
}
}```I hope this is the right place and I'm not bothering you guys
rugged trellis
nah is ok
so the condition parameter defines what task you have to do to complete the research
one is Chapter 12, the other Chapter 13 for the ones you found
and the duplicate in this case is because one is for Season 1 BPs and one for Season 2 BPs
stone nova
Oh, that makes a lot of sense since lvl 80 and 85 are the unlocks for their respective chapters i think
So the drop client is the rewards pool?
rugged trellis
drop_client defines the displays of the drops
stone nova
Ok, only the display, not the actual drops got it.
Still a bit curious why there are 2 identical C-038-RF projects but I think that's all I need for now. Thanks for helping me stumble through the code!
rugged trellis
i'm also wondering why there are some projects identical listed (like really everything), my speculation is these are returning different drop amounts from the server
but maybe someone at manjuu just made a copy and paste mistake
stone nova
Maybe it's a way for them to lazily increase the rate of them dropping and just adding more to increase drop rate?
Idk that seems a bit shortsighted
rugged trellis
possible, we will probably never know
stone nova
How come the 381, sanshikidan, and the other 2 auxes are listed under the S2 tab instead of S1?
Or was this a CN thing and we got them added as S1 in EN?
quaint stream
mental fractal
Honestly I was just guessing that they would be available from S2 drop pool since they aren't modeled after particular PR ships, but someone actually on CN/JP will need to confirm.
stone nova
fleet halo
ya they are available in both
stone nova
Do we know if the spawn rate of each project is linked to the rarity or we’re not sure?
fleet halo
spawn rate as in which 5 research u get?
mental fractal
I'm pretty sure Golds are rarer than Purples are rarer than Blues, but no idea what the %s are.
fleet halo
or u mean the rewards from research?
stone nova
no, the spawn rate of the projects themselves
mental fractal
I feel like different types have different spawn rates, too. I don't get many B- or T- series.
fleet halo
there are certain ones that are more rare, those 30 min ones
the rest i feel is around same ish?
maybe more blue in general
stone nova
I haven’t been logging the rates themselves, just the rewards so I can’t say for sure.
Would you like me too?
fleet halo
not really as it is not accurate %, we wont put on wiki anyways
stone nova
Yea, I figured.
rotund lintel
any way to mark which story quests are available in each server (eng), without having to manually go to memories? not a huge deal but would be nice I spent like 10 minutes like an idiot changing out secretaries and wondering why it wasn't starting quests
shell hawk
While there definitely are ways to go about it, we simply don't because we don't have the manpower to go update them accordingly since EN tends to be kinda fast
And like you mention, the memories kinda exists
Which is also why we don't have a list of EN ships on the wiki
rotund lintel
ah okay fair enough
vivid tinsel
