#wiki-feedback
prisma axle
gentle river
you have mobile view on
clear cache
and at the bottom it says "switch to desktop mode"
also someone came in with the same thing yesterday (another server), but their problem was "the stats are missing" 
prisma axle
I was just hella confused, because I watched Ping Hai and Ning Hai at the same time, but Ping Hai was normal, so I obviously assumed something was wrong with the site, as it was edited only 2 weeks ago.
Godbless it wasn't, thanks for help 
gentle river
np
prime notch
So where do you get the stat data for ships? i wanted to do some statistics with them but wanted to know if there was an easier way to get the list of stats other than site scraping the wiki.
flat cargo
There's a table for lvl 100 stats in the wiki
prime notch
Well yes but i was wondering if there was an easier place to get those for all ships other than having to program a site scraper to dig through all the html to find those values for all ships
flat cargo
/wiki List_of_Ships_by_Stats
plush hemlockBOT
prime notch
OH I FORGOT THIS PAGE EXISTED
flat cargo
👏
prime notch
Ok i have a question about that list of ships by stats page, are the lvl 100 stats maxLB and max enhance or 0LB no enhance?
obtuse zenith
isn't it MLB max enhance and also with 100 affection
shell hawk
min should be base stats
prime notch
Ok yeah i just checked with a lvl 100 i have and its MLB max enhance 100 affection
left cliff
you can't reach level 100 without MLB, so how would max stats be with 0LB?
prime notch
Because you can hit lvl 100 0LB on CN and the wiki is for all versions
So i just didnt know what it was based off of
left cliff
I mean, just applying logic, max stats means the highest you can get, and LB raises the stats each time ... so there's still no reason why you'd think max stats are with 0LB
prime notch
It never says max stats it literally just says lvl 100 stats . . ., true max stats would be lvl 120 MLB but half the versions cant even go that high so they went with 100
left cliff
You'll notice that ships have a lvl 120 tab as well where we know those numbers
calm ruin
The Module:ShipList doesn't link to Aviation Battleships. I'm not sure if that's intentional or not.
If it isn't then line 76 should be changed from:
type_links['Aviation Battleship'] = 'BBV'
to:
type_links['Aviation Battleship'] = '[[:Category:Aviation_Battleships|BBV]]'
Also changing "BBV" to "Aviation Battleship" however I believe that may be too long in certain circumstances.
hardy hull
you don't
and why you asking this in wiki-feedback? 
It is not relevant to wiki nor is it even a feedback
left cliff
@calm ruin what page did you see that on?
(as in: for which ship list does this cause a problem?)
reef lagoon
in C3 event map, torpedo stat should be greater , not lower
calm ruin
@left cliff The length issue can be seen on the default ID page. Pretty sure the only circumstance that doesn't shift the box is on resolutions greater that 1080p
Admittedly, I only checked it in Chrome on my computer.
left cliff
what does resolution have to do with BBV not being linked?
calm ruin
Ah, I thought you were referring to the second part of my message.
However, the link to BBV wasn't being displayed on the default ship list; Specifically in the retrofit list. I assume this issue could have also affected other pages as well, but that was the one I had originally saw it on.
left cliff
quick pilot
Hi all. I'm looking at the Equipment Skins page and noticing that the Royal box's skins aren't there yet...
If I offered up any of the info regarding the possible contents of the "Gear Skin Box (Royal)" ... would that be anything folks working on the wiki would want?
unborn oak
I was doing 10-2 and the marked ones never spawned
hardy hull
they do spawn
lavish wraith
It's a possibility of them spawning tho, so you won't always get them there.
quaint stream
Z46's page looks weird 
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Z46
lavish wraith
@quaint stream wym?
shell hawk
is it in mobile
quaint stream
Different from all the other pages and has an edit button
shell hawk
can you ss
quaint stream
It is not mobile
quaint stream
I am on PC, and all the other pages looks normal
quaint stream
It is fixed after clicking desktop 
fleet halo
ya it happens all the time 😦
lavish wraith
might it be cause of this? visiting a page on mobile causes page cache to be synced to desktop, and thus chrome loads in the desktop version. provided accounts are synced.
lavish wraith
never happened to me since on mobile I use desktop versions too.
wet bison
Happened to me yesterday on PC Firefox even though I don't have a Firefox account to begin with and could be reproduced even after clearing cache and in incognito mode
Had to click on Desktop button to solve that
quaint stream
Before anything: be careful because this is a weird and maybe ear-destroyer sound, but i found it at Graf Zeppelin's special touch line in the wiki: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/3/30/Graf_Zeppelin_Sec2JP.ogg
shell hawk
fleet halo
@elder locust ^ 
elder locust
Should be fixed now, might need to purge your browser cache for it to load the new file correctly
hoary charm
t and f are not supported Boolean values (look at that URL parameter for Remodel).
Cargo defaults unknown as 1: https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-extensions-Cargo/blob/1.7/includes/parserfunctions/CargoStore.php#L308-L323
I think the ships table needs to be recreated, because the current revision of https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Template:ShipMain handles Remodel in cargo_store like this:
| Remodel = {{ #if: {{{Remodel|}}} | 1 | 0 }}
shell hawk
well, i do know only CVLs, DDs and CLs have ASW stats
can't rmb if ws kai had it too
nvm she doesn't
sage basin
that's not what I mean... her 2nd Idle Secretary Line includes "My thoughts against ASW(Anti submarine warfare)?", which sounds kinda weird 
I'd edit that part, but then I'm no native English speaker and thus I may not know the correct word use
shell hawk
@unreal bluff pls look over ^
unreal bluff
@sage basin nice catch - yeah, it's not against. It should be on, towards or about.
Basically the line is the Commander asking Shangrila on her thoughts on ASW
arctic violet
@hoary charm right now, our queries to cargo use "RemodelID IS NOT NULL", which seems to have no issues. The remodel parameter is pretty much defunct and so recreating the table would probably cause more inconvenience than anything.
hoary charm
I see.
quick pilot
I'm going to drop this off here as a suggestion on how the retrofit graphs could be improved upon; This is Cassin's new and improved graph.
quaint stream
There is a little mistake there, you need "I" to unlock "J".
quaint stream
Maybe i am the one making the mistake 
quick pilot
Don't feel bad, @quaint stream . I made the same mistake, until @hardy hull pointed the table out to me too. 😃
Hence why I stuck arrows onto the existing graph.
quaint stream
At least in Kamikaze that has almost the same retrofit table and was the last one i retrofited, you need to do "I" first
quick pilot
I'm going by the table. If the table's wrong, so am I and the fix is easy peasy.
quaint stream
The other really weird thing is that "I" needs lv 70 and "J" needs lv 75, but you need J for I...?
quick pilot
Darn you and your insidious logic!
quick pilot
Revised.
quaint stream
Crescent must be also wrong, H and K aren't connected(but yes in the table), meanwhile H and I are(but not in the table)
In the other hand Comet's retro table looks perfect and is exactly the same as Crescent
left cliff
tables are fixed, thx
clear estuary
Amagi's skill description is missing an r
wet bison
Fixed, thanks!
fleet halo
quaint stream
Could you change "anti-**** device" to "pepper spray", mainly because people will get warned by mods if they post a screenshoot of that line without the censor here (Astoria - Chinese Lines Extended)
shell hawk
There's plenty of NSFW lines in AL, and this is just one of them
Just don't send it here frankly...
Like at least 2 of cleve bride lines have very NSFW implications
wet bison
And NSFW pics from AL banned on this server are a thing
shell hawk
The solution is far more straightforward, just don't send it here
wet bison
Cleve bride lines aren't even translated yet
feral spruce
Hes talking about the in game lines
quaint stream
Well, i wasn't aware that text lines were banned here too
feral spruce
Like the one where cleveland gives you a handy
gentle river
a what...?
pastel sable
hmm, I don't remember there being anything NSFW in cleveland's lines.
I'm also unsure how the line would be received as NSFW, considering the convo about what constitutes nsfw recently. Best bet would be to not, though.
left cliff
@gentle river whale (n) : derogatory term used by game publishers to describe their highest-paying players
gentle river
oh no im far used to these games, I was referring to tosa
I was dmed anyways
noble stone
Rip sexual harassment
pastel sable
actually, looking into the JP extended lines, it looks like one of the lines might have been construed a bit too sexually, considering she's displaying the typical blushing bride characteristics aside from the line.
noble stone
Yeah because someone decides LOL LET'S WRITE IN INNUENDOS
pastel sable
It's also a reference to her original return to port line, which she tells you bear with it, implying she's a bit rough with her massages, the bride one implying she's gotten gentler at it.
at least this is from my own translation, I don't have my friend to check for me.
noble stone
You're correct
pastel sable
It's also too innocent innuendo, since her other lines relating to kinship seem to be more nervous by comparison.
noble stone
But someone doesn't care about that because he just wants to make shit locker room jokes
And thus we have to all suffer this nonsense
pastel sable
I'll take a closer look at it once I get around to checking skin's dialogue, but that might be while down the line.
vestal pine
um there's some missing ship chibis on the wiki
ayanami, belfast bismark, centaur, chaser, chikuma, curacoa, curlew, enterprise, independence, kimberly, laffey, lexington, memphis, monarch, mullany, tai yuan, tone, warspite, yukikaze and yuugure
hardy hull
Some of the ships are either new or not-in-game-yet, so they don't have chibis yet
and what's missing from the rest are skin-specific chibis from new skins, so they also weren't made yet
fleet halo
if the chibi are not there, it means they didnt upload it into the game. we can re-create them manually but it tales too much effort so we are skipping it for now.
indigo cloud
Hi guys! many thanks for the wikia... just a question: the wikia is not gonna be update with the lastest events on JP server? i'm having a bad time without it 😢 Thanks in advance!
gentle river
well
someone said they would update it last week, and then 2 days ago, and then yesterday
it seems theyre busy
fleet halo
noble stone
Our front page has been dead for over a month unfortunately and this is true
Need to find some help to maintain CN/JP
crisp rivet
Hello, there is no information in "Range" column in https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_AA_Guns AA guns list. Is it possible to add it there?
rustic fulcrum
Hi, just wanna point out that in https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Ships
the total number of Standard ships should be 286 (this includes the 9 submarines but does not include the 5 unreleased ships), 16 Collab ships, and 6 Priority ships, amounting to 308 ships with 59 Retrofits
fleet halo
ya i think the cargo counted the unreleased ship so the numbers are weird rn
will try to fix it 
as for rng of aa weapon, i am not sure we got the data on it
might take awhile before we update it
crisp rivet
@fleet halo will be looking forward!
calm ruin
@rustic fulcrum @fleet halo fixed the counts
fleet halo
quaint stream
This happens during the first 2 seconds when opening Nagato's page and also after reloading it too for some reason 
It wasn't happening last time i checked 2-3 days ago
cinder willow
It could be due to the cleanup of Template:ShipMain I did yesterday
I'll look into it as soon as the wiki stops giving me errors whenever I try to preview
cinder willow
I've reverted the edits and purged cache but it still seems to be doing the same thing
The flashing thing happens with tabs as well
Could you purge cache and check if it's still happening @quaint stream?
Is this occuring for anyone else?
fleet halo
hmm which page?
cinder willow
The chibi flashing thing also happens on Hood's page
I assume it's the same for all the pages that have multiple chibis
wet bison
You mean flashing as in "appears for a few seconds then gets replaced by the default chibi" or glitch like for Nagato
nvm
cinder willow
Same issue
wet bison
Yes, it shows the chibi for the last skin in the list, then switches to the first
quaint stream
Yeah, still happens but at least it is during a shorter time everytime i open the page.
calm ruin
imo, this just sounds and looks like default behaviour
signal grail
BBKaga page is missing reinforcement values: FP - 67 ; Torp - 4 ; Avia - 0 ; Reload - 10
regal sun
This may have been asked before but can we listen to the voices in chara pages without going to an url
wet bison
For me, sometimes after clicking "Play" button it plays right on the page and sometimes it sends to the audio URL
cinder willow
Yeah, same
I have no idea why it doesn't always just play on the page if it's possible
wet bison
Could be cookie/browser cache-related like pages randomly going into mobile version on desktop
tired valley
Can Ammo mechanics be included in the combat section of the Wiki?
I see the ammunition restock node is mentioned, but the Plenty and Empty statuses are not mentioned at all.
I only recently found out I can tap status icons to see what they do.
tired valley
These three stories are missing from the Character Stories section of the Stories page on the wiki.
(At time of posting)
obtuse zenith
still waiting for questline images to be uploaded 
damn, i don't have wiki role here
shell hawk
i summon thee @fleet halo ^
obtuse zenith
thanks
shell hawk
and someone wanted to ask you sth related to ykk luck, not sure if you were asked already
fleet halo
ya i responded in #466119672165695488 thanks though
regal summit
What do you equip Akashi?
I just got her
hardy hull
dense quest
you guys make it hard to scrape the wiki 
elder locust
scrape? why not api 
calm ruin
Scrape is easy though, pretty much all the data is on like 3 pages
dense quest
it's more for a bot
calm ruin
Guess it depends on what your needs are
dense quest
getting specific things like name of ship, class, rarity, drop area, etc
calm ruin
Yea, that data is on two pages for all the ships. Check out the cargo tables in the special pages section
Or use the API, might be easier to query than looking at the mess of a url that is cargo tables
calm ruin
Yea, it was quite a relief when I found that page for my site
rugged trellis
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Warspite
the Warspite Retrofit "E" and "F" need 2+2 Purple BP; "G" needs 1+1 Gold BP (and 25+25 purple aux plates)
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Dockyard#Retrofit
Sims listed with needing 12 purple BP but actually needs 13
solid jay
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Hiryuu#Retrofit
isn't Hiryuu's torp efficiency supposed to be 155% according to the retrofit table?
solid jay
yeah both are wrong
shell hawk
thanks for pointing it out, i was just about to use them for damage calculations
life saver
ah
ok they went to dive bomber for hiryuu and torp bomber for souryuu
wait hmm
i need to confirm something
shell hawk
@solid jay turns out the retro table was wrong, thx for the info
quick pilot
Easy fix on the wiki -- on https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers Mitsuki's retrofit has been unlocked on EN servers.
fleet halo
thanks and done
quaint stream
J is locked by I and not the contrary like it is shown in the wiki table
wet bison
Fixed, thanks!
quiet birch
Idk if this is already known or not, but i found this in the - for sendai's page
wet bison
@quiet birch should be fixed now, could you check again?
quiet birch
still here
Jintsuu also had it and i checked matchless to have this, not sure if its because my phone has problem
wet bison
I can reproduce this on my phone, but not on desktop with mobile view on 
wet bison
Gone on my phone now too
sage basin
river phoenix
Javelin and Yamashiro pledge skins are missing missing under ‘affection:pledge’
wet bison
Added, thanks!
fleet halo
👏
rugged trellis
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers
Prelude under the Moon (Moonlit Overture) and Rerun are still listed (seperately) under Events/EN Server
Agano, Astoria, Columbia,, Kirishima, Quincy, Vincennes, Sendai should be removed under Ships/EN Server
Matsukaze and Sendai should be removed under Retrofits/EN Server
the skins from the current event should also be removed under Skins/EN Server
the recently added ships from JP/CN should also be added to the list
obtuse zenith
let's see...
ships done, retrofits done
skins done
i'm afraid to touch the event and anything JP/CN related 
rugged trellis
i could just list which ships have been added to JP/CN and are missing on EN, would just take a few minutes
obtuse zenith
ok,
fleet halo
rugged trellis
its just Hardy, Hunter, Z2, Independence and Shangri-La
rugged trellis
i almost missed that Hatsuharu is also still listed, while we get her as mothly login in a few days
that should be everything for now 😃
obtuse zenith
oh true
quick pilot
Good morning. I spotted this on what, I concede, is a WIP, but the last revision to it was last month... https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Siren has a link to a Purifier page, but it's coded as an external link. This could be cleaned up to an internal link.
left cliff
rugged trellis
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Prelude_under_the_Moon#Event_Skins
i think it should be noted that >Vincennes | Easy School< is Rerun only
fleet halo
quaint stream
Hello ! People give me a link of tier list please? I don't get the last tier list (sorry for my english)
left cliff
rugged trellis
<@&474660785050615808> i requested an wiki account ~24 hours ago, but didn't get an email until now
obtuse zenith
Can't really tell what you're asking for here
rugged trellis
i dont know which channel i should ask otherwise
gentle river
I dont get why people ping the wiki staff for rhat
it doesnt look good for your application
imo
rugged trellis
I'm just doing what it says on the wiki application page :/
gentle river
thats fair enough
fleet halo
quick pilot
Good morning! On the Dockyard page at https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Dockyard#Cognition_Awaken the bit you're supposed to tap on is shown in Japanese. I offer both the Engrish translation, "Awakening" and a photo to show the EN game's presentation of this part.
gentle river
wiki is based around cn/jp
its that way for players who play on cn
we dont have korean or japanese there either
so its meant to be in chinese (not japanese) because whatever comes first is what its generally based on and china came first with awakening
quick pilot
Be that as it may, the wiki is primarily in English, information on the EN servers is on the wiki, and other photos (ie https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/File:Equipment_screen.png ) have been posted in English before. I find it confusing that after having submitted previous suggestions and updates for the wiki that this one would be turned away not because it is somehow inaccurate or provides redundant information, but because it is language and region-specific. I will await a second opinion.
gentle river
well translated is better, but if tou said “press the awakening button” for cn, players that dont know chinese would have no idea what you’re talking about
I’ll bring it up but, wiki was originally meant to help cn/jp players
so im unsure of that specific thing will change
here nozo is here
fleet halo
ya last time i checked, the wiki host prefer everything kept as CN
so we didnt proceed to update things to EN
gentle river
I thought so, I wanted to check in with them in case this was the acceptable kind of thing to change to EN
fleet halo
@noble stone ^
gentle river
I feel like if we change this particular case, we’d have to provide a screenshot with an arrow to it for cn/jp/kr players to know what we’re talking about though
I fee like thats already there did I forget it exists in 10 seconds
quick pilot
I would not be opposed to a similar photo in CN with an arrow for EN players; at the moment the picture that is in that space is this one. https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/File:Cognition_Awakening.jpg
hardy hull
well translated is better, but if tou said “press the awakening button” for cn, players that dont know chinese would have no idea what you’re talking abou well, the full CN image won't help them in any way as well
if they don't know chinese - there's no benefit for them to have image full of CN text
quick pilot
That's why I mentioned drawing in an arrow.
gentle river
I’ll let jif handle this so you guys can better see the host’s view
hardy hull
and there's image anyway that shows where to press
so its meant to be in chinese (not japanese) and it's in japanese
the image, not text
quick pilot
Restart, please link this image?
gentle river
yes I was talking about the text, not the image
since whovian was referring to the text afaik
quick pilot
Yeah, that doesn't actually show where to tap on the ship's view (like the screenshot I linked in from Google) to get to that point.
noble stone
Terminology unfortunately is not standardized between versions
And there's a tendency for the official TLs for EN to actively avoid the established terminology in the wiki which is really annoying
Just to be clear, since people want to put words in my mouth
I said that content should be covered in a way that is relatively neutral to the different versions but consistency and usability are key especially because older CN/JP terminology are community-derived and interpreted in the first place
This is what redirects are for btw
The issues I do have are when 1) CN section gets lopped out of the front page sloppily without consulting anyone and 2) editing out past CN events instead of creating a new page
And it's mildly annoying when you say "host doesn't want it done" when you should know by now that we solve problems on a case by case basis
Sometimes I have to veto page design, not the content
quick pilot
Again, I'm less interested in the words and whether or not they are translated into English. What I'm looking at in this one section, is the fact there is a "Cognition Awakening.jpg" image that does not have a preceding image (be it in EN, CN, JP or other) that illustrates where to tap to get to that next step. As a new player (relatively speaking) who speaks no CN and very very little JP, who is very visually oriented, I look to the pictures first, even if they are in CN or JP because at least then I have signs that say "Yes, I'm going the right way," or "No, I'm not." We have a picture of step 2 and a text description of step 1 that includes JP text, which does me no blessed good. I would like to see a pic, like the one I linked in from Google, in whatever language floats everyone's boat, with an arrow or some other mechanism, to indicate where I should tap.
noble stone
I see
Isn't that just a screenshot of the ingame tooltip?
Does EN not have it?
Just find it and upload it lol
gentle river
doesnt look like they have it
quick pilot
AFAICT, the EN version either has no corresponding image to the "Cognition Awakening.jpg" image or has buried it in a place that is not intuitively found.
gentle river
loops through the same 3 images
also the image on the wiki might have been pulled from twitter because that specific image is not on JP either
at least I cant find it
noble stone
Oh
quick pilot
Something like this. Doesn't even have to be in this language.
gentle river
parenthesis?
quick pilot
Jif, the only one I see mentioning tabs in this conversation is you. I'm asking for an image, and maybe a parallel translation. One would be sufficient. Both would be unexpectedly nice. If anyone has a problem with the image I offered up just now because it's in EN, send me a similar screenshot in your preferred language and I'll mark that up too.
quick pilot
EN users have no screen like this in their version of the game, Restart. If you are unable to read the rest of the text in that image, it becomes meaningless, even if the symbols look familiar. My image adds some context and frames it in an environment EN users would recognize.
quick pilot
Yes, on JP text that EN users do not have.
I do (now) see that a parallel translation has been added. I know not by who, but that person has my thanks.
quick pilot
Restart, if you, Jif and Kawaakari want to continue this discussion, I leave it in your capable hands; I'm out.
last moss
Mogami's wiki-page retrofit table doesn't mention a loss of evasion. She should be losing 2 eva transforming into a CA if the stats for 100/100r & 120/120r are accurate.
I'd assume the eva loss would be on the modernization node similar to how BBVs have type-based stat changes on the mod node, but I'm not sure since I don't play CN/JP/KR
But anyway, no mention of -2 evasion on her Retrofit tree.
left cliff
we'll see tomorrow
quaint stream
While checking that, i found out that F should say "+15 AA" but it says "+10 AA" in the wiki. Also tried to check the modernization slot but it doesn't say the stats (at least not after you complete it), but checked the JP wiki and it displays the same stats as our wiki.
The thing is that a lot of stats changes when it gets transformed from CL to CA, spd and reload by 1 point as well.
left cliff
does the modernization slot have a [?] like YamaFusou does?
quaint stream
She also loses her 45 ASW
Yes, i checked it but it only says the main gun mount +1 torp -1 and that she got transformed to CA, but nothing about the other stats.
Here it is 
last moss
Well, I guess when the ship rolls in we can check exactly what stat changes happen on modernization and update it accordingly
rugged trellis
can someone check the Retrofits for Hyuuga and Ise ingame? On the wiki in the Retrofit Table "B" is needed for "C" while in the picture above it is needed for "E"
wet bison
C requires A only, E requires B and C
rugged trellis
ok thanks
prisma axle
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Mogami#Default
I just wanted to ask what her Skill Description for "AP Protection" means.
"Reduces AP damagen taken by self by 10% (20%)."
Is that a typo or a term I just don't know yet? Sry if this isn't related to the Wiki and just me not knowing 
fleet halo
AP just means the armor piercing bullet type, those blue ones most of the time
prisma axle
It's not the AP. I also know the different types of shells.
It's what comes after: "by self by".
prisma axle
Alr. thanks
prime notch
Not sure if anyone has reported this (it broke my site scraper 
), but some of the ships (abercrombie, exeter, ajax, ise, etc.) are missing their speed stat on the list of ships by stats
On both lvl 1 and lvl 100 tables
wet bison
make your script handle corner cases
prime notch
No like they USED to have those values, my old stat files have them, so something made them lose those values
@fleet halo ^^^
fleet halo
hmm let me see
wet bison
Speed for some ships is missing in https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Special:CargoTables/ships for some reason
fleet halo
using exeter as example her page got speed
but cargo got it
@arctic violet can check it out when you can? ^
prime notch
(Also if any of you wiki team members need some statistical stuff with the stats, just DM me)
wet bison
Character pages should all have speed, luck and accuracy by now after @obtuse zenith and @arctic violet worked to get those numbers in
rugged trellis
not all, some character pages are still missing their accuracy stat
prime notch
Well accuracy is a hidden stat so thats fine
arctic violet
We are waiting for the cargo to be updated in order for Acc stats to start being displayed...
regal spade
can we have list of bp drops for event maps
compact night
is this suffucient?
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/User:Itsfyh/EventDrops#Visitors_Dyed_in_Red
vale bay
is main page going to be updated? the event in EN changed two days ago
gentle river
tb to when we went like a month without changing jp and cn
rugged trellis
the problem with the EN banner is that there's currently no banner picture for VDIR rerun
noble stone
Can just make one
rugged trellis
@mental fractal uploaded one, but the proportions don't fit other banners
mental fractal
yeah unfortunately there's a bunch of UI and stuff in the way
unless one wants to assemble a banner from multiple parts
long wave
"Wiipedia page"
quiet birch
time is written in chinese, techacadamy full list section
unreal bluff
Fixed above^
indigo cloud
the Koumakan is outdated... :C is gonna die?
gentle river
no it wont die
left cliff
@indigo cloud outdated in what regard?
scenic salmon
Is anyone working on Bunker Hill wiki page? I'd like to suggest a potential historical reference to mention about her
She was the last USN carrier that Vf-17 squadron (along with their Corsairs) served on, before they were transferred to land-based operation using Hellcats. The Corsairs taking off in her art is likely a refrence to it
unreal bluff
gentle river
@left cliff in the regard that the person who updates our home page for events is busy often
most likely
rugged trellis
didn't we also wanted to make the EN News part bigger
prime notch
Any ETA on when the speed stats will be fixed on the list of ships by stats?
arctic violet
No
prime notch
Oofers
tight meteor
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Barrage
missing a row about Sirius's barrage
flat cargo
@tight meteor After procrastinating for hours, I finally threw in the barrage 
fleet halo
👏
tight meteor
yay
safe mural
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Hatsuharu_Questline Should say "Hatsuhara" and not Honolulu
safe mural
Thank you~
sleek yoke
just wondering but..... according to "Recent_News/EN" didn't have shiranui got retrofit already?
pastel sable
Not on EN
sleek yoke
i'm pretty sure the retrofit button was already in the game though (playing EN)
pastel sable
I may have been a loading desync, but shiranui didn't have her retro yet, and that's why it's on the patch notes.
sleek yoke
weird.. oh well
shell hawk
Correct
left cliff
@sleek yoke the ship interface is coded a bit backwards and first loads all buttons before checking if the ship can be retrofitted or the button needs to be hidden
sleek yoke
oh
left cliff
and depending on your connection, that can make it show for a moment
wind radish
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Twin_380mm_(SK_C/34)#Type 1 I think this page has an error on the Type 1 (3 stars). This Battleship gun is a normal ammo gun, not AP. It is called "Twin 380mm Main Fun (Sk C)" In-game, and is Tirpitz base main gun as far as i remember
flat cargo
Names are going to a bit off from the wiki to the game since official EN translations like to go their own way.
Tho I'll address the ammo type issue
wind radish
Yeah, The name is just in case you need to check it ingame, since i cant screenshot it XD
I wonder if it would be possible to add in the wiki the EN name as another "field". To make easier for EN users to identify equipment
simple geyser
Noticed a lowkey major mistake in the wiki, in the pages for each class, some ships are often mislabeled i.e. In the Brooklyn class, Honolulu and Phoenix are labeled under B
shell hawk
Oh
flat cargo
If you're talking about this...
then idk what's going on on your side
cinder willow
flat cargo
cinder willow
Best
shell hawk
I did see the Brooklyn class one before
cinder willow
MediaWiki being MediaWiki
gentle river
yeah that happens
still mural
i think so
wet bison
so pages flipping desktop and mobile views on their own can also be attributed to MediaWiki being random
hoary charm
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Guide:_Leveling#Versus_combat <ref> and <references/> tags broken.
cinder willow
Fixed.
sly chasm
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/U-47#Default
In notes about Enigma decrypting, it wasn't decrypted by the British but the Poles
lavish wraith
its a side note, i'll change it to allied powers.
lavish wraith
then why are you posting it here?
lavish wraith
there isnt any feedback being made other than "nt sure".
i mean, if you think its wrong and have the facts we can change it but, we cant do anything based on ”not sure“。
flat cargo
This channel is for wiki suggestions and possible errors we made.
Not really about talking about the information on the wiki 
pastel sable
Oh, just checking this, but for Commission "the exception of the major 800-1200 oil-costing non-urgent Commission which is always one of the highest unlocked." is apparently false according to devs?
gentle river
obtuse zenith
well, that should be fixed i think, since it sometimes gives lower level long commissions
pastel sable
The card for that was moved to not a bug, IIRC, let me check
Yeah, aki stated it's normal to get lower ones, on occasion.
I was wondering why people were saying that it's the case.
gentle river
@modern citrus type 1 pings 4s per sweep
but I dont know about type 2 lol I dont have it
modern citrus
gold one has 3.5 sec 😄 Which kinda doesn't help either as I have no idea which is right and which is wrong
gentle river
someone will have to check later since im busy as of now
obtuse zenith
i think i'll just remove that part of the statement @pastel sable thanks for the feedback
gentle river
@modern citrus its been checked and fixed
modern citrus
@gentle river ty
prime notch
Hello wiki team, any chance i could get a link to the cargo page? I want to use it for site scraping
arctic violet
prime notch
Thank you
vale bay
I wonder why sometimes the sounds on wiki start downloading instead of playing
kinda annoying
quaint stream
lv 120 reload stat for Ashigara is wrong (it is showing the same stat for lv 100)
wet bison
Fixed, thanks!
quaint stream
Also, should this really be listed as a CA gun? Only subs can use it
shell hawk
it is
obtuse zenith
i'd say it's listed as CA gun cuz it's caliber is for CA
shell hawk
it is a CA gun equippable by surcouf only
and yes, guns are classified more by caliber than who actually uses them
surcouf is a submarine with monstrous guns
fleet halo
lime pendant
sage basin
alright
sage basin
safe mural
Hi, https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Ships_with_Remodel Yuubari kai isn't showing up with a picture ^^;
safe mural
Thanks Nozo!
safe mural
Question: When I get the last questline for Honolulu can I type it up in an imgur post and have someone put it on the wiki? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Honolulu_Questline#Chapter 7 There's a chapter 8
pastel sable
I think she has 7 scenes only, though.
safe mural
Wouldn’t this imply she has 8?
pastel sable
They have another Movie Icon, yes, but they only have 7 scenes. I dunno whether that should be noted as a thing, might be the same on CN/JP. Probably could be submitted in some form, though.
safe mural
Hmmmmmmm. Ok. I guess that’s fine. Kind of a cliffhanger rip. Thanks!
wet bison
all character questlines, except for Long Island and Akashi, follow the same template with 7 nearly identical missions and 7 cutscenes
prime notch
So is anyone gonna even attempt to fix the cargo tables? Afaik speed is the only stat affected but only 45/318 have their speed stat
quaint stream
Every ship has a speed stat in their respective data spot and cargo is built to pull values from that spot automatically so I may play around with some things later to see if I can get the rest to show up 
Something cached somewhere must be blocking it
I love more cargo problems 
quaint stream
@prime notch We have fixed the speed stats
prime notch
@quaint stream you are a god, let me worship you
quaint stream
As soon as I brought it up in our chat we got like 4 people working on it so I cant take all of the credit 
prime notch
but i mentioned this last week and nothing happened 
quaint stream
Sometimes with them you really just have to drive in the point till someone helps
None of us are perfect and we tend to miss things sometimes
prime notch
Well i dont think i mentioned cargo, is that the keyword to activate the super team?
quaint stream
Moreso the "Oh no, whats going wrong with cargo this time" team
But yeah, actually mentioning whats wrong where is a big help to us fixing it
prime notch
Yeah i made a site scraper to get all the stats so i could do statistics stuff(in data analytics class this semester) and i was pulling from list of ships by stats which i think gets its stuff from cargo, so i didnt know exactly where it went wrong
quaint stream
Ah yes, I remember you mentioning your scraper on Monday when you asked for the link to cargo 
prime notch
Yeah and im remaking it to pull from cargo instead and BOI, that page exists only to bring me pain
quaint stream
Dont worry, it hurts everyone
Theres only a handful of us that know how to even use it
prime notch
Well if you ever need graphs or charts regarding AL stats id be happy to help
quaint stream
I'll remember that
compact night
will the core shop listings be updated for the seiran and type 98 gun firing delay installation, even though they arent going to be in EN anytime soon
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Living_Area#Core_Shop
compact night
thank you
sinful flower
I have a suggestion for the wiki page on Hard Mode.
One of the questions that comes up every now and then in #gameplay-help is if there are greater chances to get retrofit blueprints from higher level maps.
Currently, the English wiki page only states that you get more core data. I've heard from other people in the help channel that higher level maps do have a higher chance to drop rare blueprints, but that the source for that information comes from the Chinese wiki and player testing.
lavish wraith
It's not official numbers so I'm not sure if we can add that in
noble stone
Claims about game mechanics need to be datamined or sourced from a reliable data set
Anecdotal claims are not appropriate
If there is a CN dataset, it is fine to link and translate the results with the citation
fleet halo
drops are server side so we never know if bp has higher drop rate or ssr for event etc
you just cant datamine it
regal sun
From what i see in the wiki, there aren't any details about x-5 sub maps. can we add something about this 👀
silk owl
<@&474660785050615808> sorry for asking but has anyone of you time to talk to me for a second?
Does that mean yes?
gentle river
2 non wiki staff reacted, that doesnt give consent
silk owl
ender reacted. he/she is wiki staff ^^
obtuse zenith
silk owl
ok. so before no one is interested. i want to point out an error on the wiki
obtuse zenith
you could have just pointed out the error
silk owl
nah its something else too. i just want to make sure that my action is ok for you (as wiki team)
So im currently developing a bot (that uses information from the wiki) and i cant create a document out of the html page (yuudachi's) because a </p> is in the wrong place ^^
gentle river
just to let you know :/ ender isn’t a wiki staff, they have their own role, ender is “wiki team”
silk owl
yeah i just noticeds. sorry for that ^^'
shell hawk
o nvm nozo is here
fleet halo
is only for poi page?
silk owl
yeah. currently. didnt test it on other pages
fleet halo
sure fm me the detail, i will take a look at it 
left cliff
@regal sun you mean like https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/3-5 ?
sage basin
quaint stream
Fumizuki was 5% too
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Ink-stained_Steel_Sakura
fleet halo
fixed
modern rune
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Equipment
Someone should update this for submarine equipment
left cliff
uuh ... do we have the ASW bombers?
hm, one of them is from Opposite-Colored rerun, so I'm gonna go with "no"
modern rune
@left cliff I've got an TBM-3 Avenger but it's common, now not so sure about the rare ones
I think they should be around...
left cliff
if you got a common one, then the higher rarities will certainly be around as well
quaint stream
Swodfish is in EN too
left cliff
hardy hull
I think this ASW stat on Makinami level 1 is... a bit wrong https://i.imgur.com/HkCvu8U.png
hardy hull
gentle river
looks like it was fixed in those short seconds
actually
it hasnt been touched in a week
hardy hull
gentle river
I see 47 though not 4747
hardy hull
I refresh the page and I still have 4747
fleet halo
i c 47 
hardy hull
fleet halo
nice ps restart
wet bison
let's purge the cache yet again
gentle river
Dx
fleet halo
i actually purged the cache so is fixed now 
wet bison
welp, I just pressed the red blue button
gentle river
hardy hull
Should this WoWs trivia really be in the skill description for PR ships instead of somewhere below?
gentle river
uwu
obtuse zenith
It would be better the bottom of the ship's page
native dagger
gold or oil?
obtuse zenith
whose page is this
shell hawk
pls don't make this a guessing game
native dagger
ah, beginner rewards
obtuse zenith
fixed
native dagger
addendum: its 200 gold, not 100
lapis trout
question: is the GradeKai120 used anywhere in game (e.g., "FireGradeKai120", etc.)?
flat cargo
From the ship pages?
The ship pages have no "FireGradeKai120," but they have a "FireKai120"
prime notch
The Grade part refers to the letter score for that stat, i believe that there is only one score for any ship. At least the cargo page only shows one score for each
wet bison
in that case, the ship pages don't use that value anymore
the usage of Grade values has been removed in https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Template:ShipMain&diff=prev&oldid=59912
iirc it's because the letters don't represent the actual situation with ships' stats
prime notch
that explains why cargo is half empty on the grade columns lol
lapis trout
ah, it's the other way around when I was looking at it
I thought the grades needed to be added when, really, the grades needed to be removed
which I don't find surprising
I guess I'll do a manual parse and remove the grades to reflect that edit
prime notch
If you dont mind me asking, what are you parsing the data for?
lapis trout
I mean just a cleanup; not a literal parse of each page
I think I should have said that
prime notch
Ah ok
lapis trout
anyway, brb; have a lot of work for this...ah...new account >.>
oh god, there's a lot of grades
lapis trout
I think I forgot how many ships there are...
sage basin
eh, I have been doing that
flat cargo
@lapis trout You're a wiki editor?
lapis trout
ah, yes
flat cargo
@fleet halo ^
fleet halo
hardy hull
Auditorium page says that ships in Tactical Classroom cannot participate in lectures which is not true https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Living_Area#Auditorium
and even classroom section above mentions that you can do both
wet bison
fixed, thanks!
crisp rivet
Hello,
Yuudachi is missing here https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Drop_Only
quaint stream
Radford, Jenkins, Ikazuchi, Inazuma, Nicholas and Niizuki too
cinder willow
Fixed.
rugged trellis
mhh someone changed the construct time from Drop Only to Cant Be Constructed on these
@sage basin i think i'm onto something here
cinder willow
banned
sage basin
that aside, are there any other ship pages that should be Drop Only, but was set by me into Can't Be Constructed?
man, this sucks
alright, got Minazuki and Mikazuki
quaint stream
Wasp and Shouhou are not really "drop only". You can get Shouhou from medal exchange iirc (unless my memory is failing, which could happen) and Wasp is on the exchange gacha of her event.
sage basin
I actually haven't reached their pages yet
flat cargo
Shouhou is drop only. Medal exchange boats are from perm pool, and Shouhou isn't there
quaint stream
Yeah, i was wrong about Shouhou, just confirmed it 
my memory is truly bad
left cliff
"Can't be constructed" is intended for ships like Bismarck, IIRC
left cliff
Well, those make it into the build pool after a while
Also: CN and JP might have them in, even if EN doesn't yet ;)
fleet halo
cant be constructed is like for event shop exchange like dork etc
prime notch
Can the cargo page be changed so the whole table is on one page? i need it for my scraping program and i found a page that shows the whole table but the url is so long that it physically cannot work
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Special:CargoTables/ships
This is the page in question
wet bison
iirc this is coded in the Cargo extension and not configurable
I think you can use MediaWiki API for that
you can get more info about how to construct queries in https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/api.php?action=help&modules=cargoquery
as a bonus, you get the data directly in JSON/XML/whatever format you choose without having to scrape HTML
prime notch
Ah ok thanks
high salmon
hiya Wikistaff, I just pass this msg from reddit
please update this page: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Ship_Drops and add something like (CN only) or something like that to avoid confusion, especially Ikazuchi and Inazuma that showed in Chapter 6
sage basin
fleet halo
hmm
sage basin
Drop-Only Ships by Map section doesn't cover whether a ship is server-exclusive drop on a map
fleet halo
ya i notice
sage basin
but the next section All Ships Drops by Map does
fleet halo
will look into it 
arctic violet
Fixed
quaint stream
what retrofit blueprints should I collect? Casin Downes done, z done, saratoga done
shell hawk
err wrong channel much
quaint stream
oops
raven cradle
so which it is?
obtuse zenith
A4, c4, d1? It's ooshio
raven cradle
that drop map is from d2 incase you didn't know
obtuse zenith
fleet halo
info are base on cn
we wont know exactly till d2 is out so we can test it
so be patient for now
raven cradle
might want to change the JP version of stain steel (both normal and rerun) in case more ppl report
since they got the same error
fleet halo
sure
left cliff
@raven cradle > incase you didn't know
please give that info right away next time - because opposite to common belief, none of us can recognize a map just by drop table ...
quaint stream
Unless you're one of us who study the wiki pages in our free time but even I can only identify campaign maps
But the number of us who actually know what they all look like are slim to none
raven cradle
Sure np will report with map name next time
safe quarry
Is there any chance that node maps are added for ISS event maps? I would really appreciate it
fleet halo
we usually dont do node map for event maps :x
smoky surge
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Live2D missing unicorn skin
obtuse zenith
Fixed
sinful flower
Would it be possible to include the descriptions that come with various skins for each ship on their pages in the wiki?
For example, the "ship line" that comes from Foxhound's retrofit skin.
I realize that these lines aren't actually voiced, but they do provide additional "dialogue" for ships that flesh out their characters even more.
Does that merit the inclusion of these lines into the wiki?
obtuse zenith
aren't they there tho, like on the extended tab
sinful flower
I see a description for the Foxhound retrofit, I didn't realize those were on the extended tab.
Do descriptions from other cosmetic skins also show up on the extended tab, or does that tab only include retrofit lines?
obtuse zenith
it does include lines from skins too, if ship has them
sinful flower
Ok I see those now, never mind.
rugged trellis
we are currently reworking how these ship lines are displayed, maybe this one is a bit easier to find
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Foxhound/Quotes#Japan Server
ruby swift
I read the jp wiki page on Mikasa just to see what she could do. I noticed that in her intro/aqquisition she says the line "Dreadnaught Mikasa, reporting". This is an error as in real life Mikasa was actually a pre-dreadnaught battleship and HMS Dreadnaught wasn't even built yet.
vivid tinsel
spiral prairie
discrepancy is on the CN/JP original run page, both the CN/JP rerun and EN pages are consistent
mild halo
So uh
Koumakan JP detailed stats of Retrofitted Ships 🅱roke
I wonder what comes before Common 🤔🤔🤔
/s
left cliff
not so much broke, as that it pulls the info directly from the database, and we don't store retrofit rarity, nor is there an easy way to calculate the next higher rarity
(meaning you can't just go rarity+=1 or something)
iron zephyr
can i ask, why i can't access the wiki .jp?
noble stone
Cargo tables are being recreated
rugged trellis
we could put the retrofit rarity there using a switch statement but i dont know how to do it in cargo queries
arctic violet
oh my bad, retrofit rarity is fixed now
mild halo
ayy thx my dudes 👌
lusty lance
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Belfast
Burn Order's skill description got messed up, just highlighting.
wet bison
@rugged trellis your script borked on HTML tags with attributes
@lusty lance fixed, thanks!
lusty lance
👌
rugged trellis
while we are already at the Belfast skill, didn't we want to remove hover over texts?
wet bison
yep, but I guess we missed some
rugged trellis
and are there more ship pages with html tags
wet bison
just download and grep through all pages lol
rugged trellis
i think these were only used on skills, so if somebody points out the mistakes we atleast know which were missed
wet bison
looks good?
rugged trellis
yup
i also noticed that in the additional lines there is a note but no text or clip
wet bison
ok, changes committed
as for her additional lines, it was that way since November 2017: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Belfast&diff=prev&oldid=6811
no one noticed since then?
rugged trellis
Probably should get moved to the History section
Or to the notes of the ShipDescription line
sage basin
Belfast still doesn't have Accuracy stat btw
last garden
I think it's a good feature to add the drop rate on the ship drop table for stage
arctic violet
It would be nice, but we do not have drops rates for every ship.
fleet halo
drop rate is server side so we cant datamind 
last garden
Ok i understand but dev doesn't want to tell drop rate?
hardy hull
no they don't
quaint stream
The only drop rate devs told us was "Akagi 0,75% and Kaga 0,75%" a long time ago
last garden
Thanks for answers
slim notch
I'm not exactly sure how knowing the drop rates for ships would be beneficial to the player, anyway. Still comes down to Lady RNG showing mercy on our poor souls.
wet bison
it's useful to calculate the probability of getting a ship after N tries, for me at least
just to measure whether I'm more or less lucky than average and by how much
fleet halo
i can see benefits and problems from releasing drop rate but anywaus manjuu is not releasing them 
arctic violet
We can always make a community dropsheet
fleet halo
even with community dropsheet, it shouldnt be on wiki pages as it can be invalid and not for all servers. Maybe something like a personal page
quaint stream
I know GFL has a community sheet like that
With enough willing volunteers to input results then AL could very well have one as well
mental fractal
How do you make sure data is trustworthy, though? And I don't just mean trolls. Unintentional selective reporting could bias the results.
gentle river
its too subjective and it could be inaccurate, and as nozo said, has different rates of luck for every server
wet bison
There was this kind of community effort on Reddit for Divergent Chessboard (https://old.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/ac7j33/divergent_chessboard_pulldata_results/) and Crimson Echoes (https://old.reddit.com/r/AzureLane/comments/amtbuh/crimson_echoes_pulldata_results/) but as the author explained in the CE post he discontinued the series for personal reasons
lavish wraith
whats the point of doing gacha pulls tho? the rates are published
lavish wraith
as they got the same numbers as what devs told us
gentle river
even though its ALL THE SAME but
lavish wraith
i had this chat with intern before, he did at least confirm SR rates are divided equally.
quaint stream
AY LADS, so when are we gonna include EN lines in the various ships' pages?
fleet halo
Stay Tuned 
quaint stream
I have gone and calculated the build rates of all of light build before but it needs to be updated 
They of course change with the addition of Akashi and the collection ships but that can be accounted for in extra values
@gentle river
shell hawk
Did you ping the wrong person
quaint stream
Kawa said just up there someone wants the rates of every ship, I simply said to him I have said rates
fleet halo
just to clarify, my statements above are about ship drop rates not build rates 
quaint stream
Build rates are the easy part
Count all buildable ships in pool, divide chance of rarity amongst the ships
I wonder if one could assume map drop rates to be similar to build rates for event ships like with the whole 0.7%, 2%, 5% etc thing
lavish wraith
ye, i had this google sheet for build pool i did, but have since not updated it.
quaint stream
I'm making a super detailed up to date one as we speak
lavish wraith
?aldrops
shell knotBOT
lavish wraith
mine is the last link if you wanted to take a look, navi added it a long time ago.
quaint stream
@lavish wraith
needs some work and me to verify my numbers when its not 5:30am
This could be completely wrong and im gonna be perpetually working on it but numbers
I forgot to calculate in a thing I need to redo all those numbers now
Fml
At least I built a calculator to do it for me
No wonder they didnt add up
I accidentally used the whole pool instead of the rarity pools
Dont make spreadsheets at 5:30am kids 
lavish wraith
oh you're doing it in the wiki? and go sleep
quaint stream
@lavish wraith there are the correct numbers
lavish wraith
seriously tho, go sleep. and screw slowmode 
why do wiki-feedback need slow mode in the first place?
quaint stream
I could go and add a blank column between each build type
Also idk
Not like people talk much in here
lavish wraith
or maybe 3 separate tabs
lavish wraith
good luck 
but sleep first.
hardy hull
why do wiki-feedback need slow mode in the first place? same reason other feedback channels do - to cut the chatter so people would actually focus on giving thought out arguments and explanations
This is #wiki-feedback channel, not #466119672165695488
lavish wraith
sorry restart
quaint stream
I'll be taking my leave now
tired valley
I got this error on mobile.
Reloading the drop list page didn't fix it.
shell hawk
i thought you guys were fixing it
i noticed it a few days ago
gentle river
we did
noble stone
[19b318518211df05fd962f22] /Ship_Drop_Table MWException from line 593 of /var/www/azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/extensions/Cargo/includes/CargoSQLQuery.php: Error: No field named "1-1Note" found for any of the specified database tables.
Basically
you guys microsplit everything
exceeded page capacity
and broke things
wet bison
the 1-1Note one I should've fixed already
the original issue is the same one that occurred on Building page (note -> Note name changes in shipDrops if anyone is curious)
but this time Ship Drop Table now shows up in Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded
gentle river
#466119672165695488 scoot scoot
noble stone
@wet bison that is an automatic category that raises the said issue
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Ship_Drop_Table#invoke:_ObtainShip < what is supposed to happen when you click on this?
quaint silo
Do Errors (as in, wrong info, not system errors) also belong to this channel?
If so:
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Ink-stained_Steel_Sakura
The Ship Drop Table mentions that Ooshio only drops from A4, C4 & D1
I just got her from D2 though, and she's also listed on said Drop Table.
obtuse zenith
that page is for the original CN/JP run @quaint silo use this page https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Ink-Stained_Steel_Sakura_EN
quaint silo
I see, it still applies though, the Ship Drop Table on Event Maps lists it wrong compared to the table for the maps below.
fleet halo
hmm where exactly, so we can fix it 
obtuse zenith
ooshio is listed at d2 though
quaint silo
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Ink-stained_Steel_Sakura#Event_Maps
Lists Ooshiro only on A4, C4 and D1
Meanwhile, as Hyperblaze also saw, D2 lists it correctly.
Sorry if the explanation wasn't clear.
fleet halo
ya so that was the original run and tbh we are not sure if ooshiro is droppable in D2 then
quaint silo
Why does D2 list it then?
obtuse zenith
back when this event started, we weren't sure if d2 had ooshio
since iirc CN/JP first run didn't have ooshio on d2,
quaint silo
Well alright then, I do mean the D2 page on the CN/JP Event though.
fleet halo
ya i understand what u mean
quaint silo
If it's just something that the wiki team is uncertain of then that's alright, just making sure we talk about the same thing.
Also, just personal preference but it would be good if the ships under Event Ships were listed in the same order.
(ISSS CN/JP currently puts Ooshiro right after Haruna while the EN page sorts them by rarity)
Would be good to quickly see if there's any different ships.
fleet halo
sure let me change the order for isss jp order
quaint silo
Alright, thanks for the adjustment
gentle river
I wonder if its old or not
I really hope so
@ripe latch when posting something could you please tell us where it is or link the page? we dont have dialogue on the back of our hands
ripe latch
@gentle river Its On Cassins Dialogue
gentle river
thank you
quaint stream
I think im the only one who can actually recognise a majority of ships based on their lines, cuz I knew that one was Cassin 
I may spend too much time on the wiki 
fallen musk
Harutsuki is still in the list of Ships not in EN
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers#Ships
flat cargo
fallen musk
One other thing
Tanikaze is missing a picture with her summer skin in the page for skins
Dunno if this is an error, thought i should mention it
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Skins#Summer
fallen musk
Alright cool
Love using the wiki each and every day, really useful resource
Keep up the good work wiki team folks
quaint stream
we try our best
quaint stream
@fallen musk Tanikaze's summer skin pic is fixed now
gentle river
and its silly because in game shes listed as "other"
fallen musk
for some reason i still don't see a thumbnail with a picture of Tanikaze's skin with the gem cost in the skins category
it still jumps from Takao to Tirpitz
does the wiki take a bit of time to update?
gentle river
have you refreshed
fallen musk
yes i tried refreshing but it's still not showing
gentle river
try again now
fallen musk
it's still not showing up
a thumbnail image showing Tanikaze's skin with the gem cost underneath it like the other skins is what i'm talking about, just to be clear
gentle river
yeah I know
but I cleared the cache and everything lol so I dont know why its not displaying for you
because I did save it without the image bc it was listed under other skins but it was categorized under summer skins so it didnt match up
fallen musk
i tried asking someone in my guild to check the page as well in case it was a problem on my end, but they said they couldn't see the skin either
wet bison
I don't see anyone between Takao and Tirpitz either
oh, Kawaa, you need to purge cache on the Skins page as well
not just Summer Skins Category
@fallen musk please check now
fallen musk
hey would you look at that, the skin is there now
sorry for causing trouble, it looks good now
quaint stream
I was getting worried I did something wrong or forgot to save it
wet bison
no problem, we're here to manage wiki to begin with
gentle river
oh okay lmao
gotcha
fleet halo
stable osprey
fleet halo
hmm short answer no we wont be adding it
1 of the reason being 110 stats is rather imbalance compare to 120 stats
additionally when 120 hits en, most ppl wont be interested in 110 stats
with that being said, we are working on a calculator for wiki
so people can just input the ship's level / affection and get the stats they are looking for
fallen musk
On the page for Chapter 3, in the Ship Drop Table for 3-1, Suffolk is mistakenly shown to drop while Chicago is missing
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Chapter_3
flat cargo
obtuse zenith
i'm looking at the source code now, i don't see suffolk listed, but the page still shows suffolk
what is this
gentle river
clear cache?
obtuse zenith
where i was also ctrl+f'ing suffolk, didn't find her
flat cargo
@fallen musk Thanks for pointing out the error!
fallen musk
thanks for fixing the errors!
shell hawk
Could it be possible it's an EN only thing thonk
flat cargo
Maybe, but it would make sense that Chicago drops there with her sisters
fallen musk
i have a screenshot of Chicago being a drop ship in game for 3-1.
would you like me to post it?
obtuse zenith
i may have ctrl+f the wrong part,
fallen musk
well just in case i needed to post proof from in game for EN that Chicago, not Suffolk, drops from 3-1, here it is
grizzled jackal
hello! where can I ask what are the available payment here?
not sure which channel to go
obtuse zenith
Not sure i understand your question, but this channel is for questions about the wiki
grizzled jackal
yeah figures... but thanks! Imma go there now
round valley
Please make an inspection of FDG's wiki entry. I under stand we do not have much on her yet, but the thumbnail for her under https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Ironblood is missing.
rugged trellis
Should be there now
round valley
quaint stream
Pls fix wiki. Can't find Little bel!
gentle river
grave talon
I could find her
gentle river
we have her under little belfast right now because her chinese name is under that, so we have a redirect for it
grave talon
But writting belchan still working too?
gentle river
but we will either create a redirect or change belchan to little bel on the main ship page
yes we have not changed it yet, I believe we are changing it to little bel though since its EN translation, and belchan will be a redirect
I will check in with the wiki team before making this change though
quaint stream
Could you just keep it as Belchan to fight against stupid EN translation
gentle river
we are following en translations closely
gentle river
belchan is her name in jp so you can still search for her bu that in wiki, as a redirect
quaint stream
regal sun
do we have people translating the jp text to en for pr ships now
empty galleon
on ship list, I-13's ship type isn't displayed
empty galleon
I meant the SSV icon on image ship list actually
quaint stream
@gentle river this one
I assume thats cuz cargo hasnt been repopulated since it was changed
gentle river
I see
quaint stream
@gentle river I found the problem
gentle river
quaint stream
SSV wasnt in the template to display list of ship by image
I love how we added CB to it but no one added SSV 
@empty galleon Fixed
quaint stream
I saw on wiki, shouhou is drop only, is that true???
She is light ship so i thought i can build herin light build
rugged trellis
Yes Shouhou is drop only
quaint stream
Lots of light ships are drop only, Nicholas, Niizuki, Jintsuu, etc.
If I were to be exact, 68 light ships arent buildable (this is including event ships)
quaint stream
Can you separate the new equips on research just like you did with the new girls? EN players will think they can get the rainbow gun too
median turret
I guess it's still being worked on but the Monitor has been colour grouped with CL and CA on gear pages
hardy hull
yes, monitors have new icon
mental fractal
Should probably move it below Large Cruiser, so all the frontlines are together.
gentle river
would look ugly even for colorblind people
mental fractal
not our fault they decided to give monitor the same color as vanguards
maybe we could just switch the backgrounds
gentle river
its ok, it matches with the 3 icons below it tbh
thick juniper
i wanted to add the new icons for cv and bb but they aren’t reflected yet in the dockyard, only in the fleet buffs
rugged charm
On georgia skill dont u guys mean Large cruisers isntead of Super cruiser? (idk if it is large or super cruiser but ill just point it out)
thick juniper
technically the terms large cruiser and super cruiser is interchangeable (there's a complicated history on how it should be classified as) but since the wiki uses the term large cruiser, then i might as well change it
fleet halo
thick juniper
unless i got it wrong, please correct me
ripe latch
I Found Large Cruisers as the Term for these Bigger Cruisers, Like the Alaska Class Large Cruiser
Though Some Has Called these ''Bigger Cruisers'' the Battlecruisers, the ''Large Cruiser'' was the Official term as The USN Classified these ''Bigger Cruisers''. But theres not much of a Difference between ''Super'' and ''Large''
i just googled ''super cruisers'' and what came up was an airplane, bicycles, Thomas the DANK Engine, a spacecraft
flat cargo
@quaint stream Thought your idea was good, so I implemented your feedback
fleet halo
think something wrong with wiki 
gentle river
going to cry
sand stump
quaint stream
Actually, half of the ship pages are broken, Yukikaze and Ayanami are fine, most of the others i tried are broken
wet bison
Clearing/purging cache is enough to fix this
gentle river
yes
quaint stream
Some of them got fixed after clearing cache, but Mutsuki Kirishima Nagato are still broke
wet bison
Ah, what I meant is to press the More > Purge cache button at the top of pages in desktop mode
obtuse zenith
i purged cache on those three, it looks fine now
quaint stream
I couldn't find that "More" button, so i just added ?action=purge at the end of the page's URL and it worked
obtuse zenith
so it isn't there when you're not logged in
obtuse zenith
just for reference, it's like this when logged in
wet bison
I should mention this over there then
hardy hull
Is this... normal?
gentle river
where
hardy hull
hm
it might be on my end actually
lemme check
ye, weird.
whole wiki was broken for me
now it's fine
so ignore 
gentle river
fleet halo
quasi arch
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Chapter_8
chap 8 on the wiki is bugged. all the other chapters are fine
gentle river
fixed
quasi arch
hayaii
gentle river
hardy hull
2 things - I assume this one is automatic, so can't be changed, but Belette still counts as "HMS Belfast", not "HMS Little Bel" in-game, with "Little Bel" being just a nickname
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/456397991847395341/568583614921703434/unknown.png
2 - what's the point of "Quotes" tab if lines are still at the bottom of the page?
unless it's some WIP
gentle river
if we have hms little bel be hms belfast it will collide with the actual hms belfast
I believe we are in wip of quotes tab and (possibly!) more tabs to come
hardy hull
if we have hms little bel be hms belfast it will collide with the actual hms belfast ye, that's what I assumed
gentle river
and yes, it is automatic, we had to change all the belchan files to say little bel inorder to match with the generated little bel page
cinder willow
We can add in an override to change the name in the header
native dagger
borked?
fleet halo
hi can you send the link of the page?
native dagger
gentle river
looks fine dor me
fleet halo
it should be fine now check again?
gentle river
wifi so slow rn that was delayed af
native dagger
is fine now
keen halo
why the wiki is broken btw?
rugged trellis
do you use chrome?
keen halo
FF firefox
rugged trellis
so its not only chrome
try clearing your browser cache
rigid linden
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Ink-stained_Steel_Sakura_Rerun
Seeing those error of loading thumbnail: File missing...
rugged trellis
clear your browser cache
or if you only want to clear the wiki cache:
(using Chrome) press STRG+SHIFT+I, right click on the page refresh button, and select "Empty Cache and Hard Reload" while you are on the wiki page
(using Firefox) Open Menu, select Library, select History, right click on a wiki page entry, select "Forget About This Site"
rigid linden
hmm, using private browsing here, well problem gone after i reopen new window
quaint stream
So, i discovered i had been fixing some errors for everyone without noticing lol. Just made a small test with someone in dms (i thought purging indivitual pages cache was just a local thing, but it turns out it affects everyone?)
gentle river
if you purge through your browser or anything it’d be local
quaint stream
As Kawa said you can locally purge cashe, but something may be wrong server side. Purging the cache of the page itself through one of the built in means of mediawiki (as a wiki editor) forces the most recent version of the page to appear. The main issue with a page showing up weird is two or more versions of a page are attempting to display at once and it causes an error. The steps for anyone that has wiki editing access (can log into the wiki) should take when fixing a broken looking page are as follows:
refresh page
purge cache
null edit
cry for help to a wiki admin
gentle river
u added a few more steps to that last one I see
quaint stream
The thing is that my way of clearing the cache might be the same as wiki editors use
It used to just be help me but I wanted it to be more dramatic @gentle river 
@quaint stream howabouts do you purge the cache
I have one page to give as a example, but i am not sure if you can still see the error
gentle river
wiki editors literally just press a button to purge the cache which cant be the same for noneditors bc they dont have access to the button
quaint stream
I can see that button if i write ?action=purge at the end of the URL
lemme log out and try
gentle river
procrastinapurge cache
quaint stream
Huh, you can indeed purge while not logged in. Youre right it is the same
gentle river
at least its harmless :blobsweat: