#wiki-feedback
fleet halo
gentle river
lavish wraith
tbh, i would edit the CN one slightly too
gentle river
cn sounds like shes making fun of akagi for not listening
noble stone
Yeah I kind of want to just paste my lines over but can't do that
unique cliff
Hmm.. yeah, the more I listen to the Japanese voice over.. the more im convinced it's supposed to be the one I wrote out
noble stone
It is
lavish wraith
Does amagi have CN voice files that we can listen to? I need to hear the context she says it in 
noble stone
There are no CN voice files
unique cliff
That would help
noble stone
CN uses all japanese
unique cliff
Well.
Guess we only have Japanese files to work with
gentle river
its all there is
fleet halo
22 and 33 got cn voice
noble stone
Chinafanservicebotes don't count
gentle river
ping and ning too right?
man this 15 second timer 
noble stone
Yes, those are also chinafanservicebotes
lavish wraith
unique cliff
I think that line (from amagi) is more of Amagi reminding Akagi instead of asking her a question...
I think the question mark shouldnt be there in the Japanese sentence.. unless im wrong...
Who do I push it to?
noble stone
Yes, we don't translate punctuation literally
Because it's just inflection in speech
lavish wraith
im on the page, i'll do it
unique cliff
Thanks
noble stone
Thank you.
lavish wraith
"Akagi, make sure you listen to Commander's orders." this right?
gentle river
isnt chang chun chinese too?
unique cliff
Yes, althought for grammar sake, it should be "the commander"
Sorry I missed out on that.
gentle river
yes please add the
lavish wraith
done
unique cliff
Thanks
fleet halo
teal hearth
Crimson Echoes stage C3's boss node also appears on I4
fleet halo
please use this channel for en related wiki feedback only thanks
teal hearth
OOF, sorry đ¨
half nexus
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Live2D this site is not updated
quaint stream
Is this where I'd come to request the wiki editor role? 
I've been compiling a list of the numbers that fill in all the blank spaces on the EN portion of the Crimson Echos maps info and am currently adding it all in
Can I even request that role 
Or is there any sort of prerequisite like a certain number of edits or something?
proven crypt
+1 with Trabanto. I regularly check the Live2D category waiting for an update c:
left cliff
@noble stone might be able to help?
have you filled out https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Special:RequestAccount already, @quaint stream?
quaint stream
@left cliff yes I have
And it's been accepted and I've alredy done a little bit of editing off the "things to edit" notes I've been taking
left cliff
ah, ok
you could shoot Nozo a dm with your wiki account name so he can give you the role when he's back
quaint stream
Will do
shadow plaza
@unique cliff grammer wise, you only add "the" to commander when "commander" is generic and not referring to anyone specific. If commander is a proper noun, you refer to him as "Commander" (first letter caps) without "the" in front.
by replacing "Commander" with "the commander", you make the term "commander" refer to anyone in charge (which implies it can change) instead of making it a proper noun for the player character.
gentle river
but its not their name, its like saying the boss, its "the boss' work"
you dont say "its boss' work"
shadow plaza
commander can be used as a name or not as a name, depending on context. For example, I can say, "I serve the master of the house". Or I can say "Thank you, Master."
in the latter case, "Master" is a title and a proper noun.
in the case of shipgirls, I'm more inclined to think they use it in the latter case because they refer to the player as shikikan-sama or such other honorifics.
gentle river
its indirect and direct isnt it
indirect by adding the and direct by making it a name
shadow plaza
as such "shikikan" doesn't sound like it is used as a generic term.
it is used as a specific name for the player character.
let's have another example. I can say, "you should listen to my mom". Or I can also say "you should listen to Mom."
or in similar fashion to commander. I can say "you should listen to the commander" or "you should listen to Commander".
@gentle river I hope that it should be clear from the lines that "commander" is most likely used as a title for the player character and not a generic term. As such, small caps "commander" should not be used.
noble stone
Missed that, Commander should be treated as a proper noun unless it's second-person usage
In which case we just use one instance of Commander and "you" for the rest
quaint stream
shell hawk
Intended
If you go to their pages you will see they lack almost every single piece of information regarding them cos they're not released
@quaint stream
prime notch
maybe you could instead have it use placeholder images if we dont have pics for them?
shell hawk
The only thing we have is their full art (we don't even know if that's being used)
And that they're IJN CAs
prime notch
like the unknown ship drop image
quaint stream
ah i see, sorry i was just checking out the ships and noticed it, didnt click on them @shell hawk
shell hawk
do check on them they have cute arts
That's actually a very simple idea that I don't think we thought of fire clan 
It wouldn't seem as out of place as compared to the red text
prime notch
yeah recently had a website project in class and we needed placeholder images whenever the APi couldnt find the image file
quaint stream
we already have best bunnies, no need for more @shell hawk
prime notch
like these placeholders, but idk if there is a full portrait version
shell hawk
Well we can probably find/make some other placeholder even in that case
prime notch
you could probably enlist an artist to make a silhouette version of a bulin and have it be the colors of rarities in case we get that info before the ship is out
noble stone
Probably could use the encyclopedia undefined placeholder
prime notch
@noble stone yeah those could work, and they are country specific
gentle river
im pretty sure we used them before the ship list by image was redesigned and unknown ships were taken away
rotund steeple
I found one from the JP files if you wanna add it.
Oh wait, just saw the last message, nvm.
prime notch
i do like the design of the one above better than the collection placeholder
prime notch
(the strange thing is that that isnt a silhouette of a current ship)
prime notch
@thick juniper alr?
prime notch
well it still might be a good idea to put it in place of this placeholder text
thick juniper
prime notch
its trying to get an image but cant and for whatever reason, the placeholder text is "128px"
however the last ship with an image does not even have placeholder text incase the image fails to load
thick juniper
that's cuz RichelieuShipyardIcon.png is not in the wiki yet
there is no game files for it either in the game files
and yea it displays that since it is controlled by a template
prime notch
ah so its templates just making them and then they dont have the resources
might want to fix this one though
thick juniper
hmm
I could technically edit that if it was manual input of data. But well the page is in cargo which @arctic violet handles.
cargo is not my area of expertise 
prime notch
ah i see its basically 100% automatic, yeah id leave it as is too
thick juniper
also took me forever to redesign that template too
prime notch
but maybe change the auto placeholder text to "[shipname] does not have an icon"
cuz otherwise it just looks like something went wrong
template looks really good though 
thick juniper
here's a comparison, the bottom one being the original
prime notch
yeah, i wish the unknown image could be put on the missing ship images, but the solution sounds like quite a bit of programming
prime notch
oh dear, idk if html lets you use a different image as the placeholder for another image
prime notch
seems like data just needs a little change
cuz its set to where it can put the unknown image up
pretty new to html, but it looks like it was given the name of the ship instead of the value for unknown
thick juniper
yeah
for example like this
{{ShipyardIcon|033|Nekone|SR|Utawarerumonoâ|DD|}}
Welp updated, tho it's a temporary stopgap solution by using switches
tho for the Jeanne d'Arc one, might wanna ask NGNL for that
cuz it's tied to cargo
prime notch
ah i see it now, i was messing with the html just to see if i could get the image there but i found out that the "128px" wasnt even placeholder text, as there wasnt an image element there at all
thick juniper
yeap
prime notch
but yeah this looks much better
thick juniper
it's just a stopgap solution but it works
also
alot of the info in the cargo is tied to each ship page too thus some information may not display correctly
compared to manual input tho, you can just manually input the fields
arctic violet
The problem isn't in the cargo, the template just neglects to check if an image exists
arctic violet
what in tarnation
I don't like it, but oh well I fixed it.
If you all prefer incomplete ships to not show up on ship lists, there should be a new parameter on the ShipMain template like "Release/Complete/Incomplete" that can be flagged on or off. An extra benefit to this is that everyone will know what ships are missing critical information~
heavy tulip
On Akagi's page. For Affinity:Like It should be did you speak with/to another girl?
tawny sapphire
@heavy tulip changed it to use "speak to..."
heavy tulip
kewl
wheat pelican
fleet halo
@arctic violet ^
arctic violet
I guess there's one more to fix 
arctic violet
hmmm
brazen reef
This is for Ayanami. Wasn't she scuttled if so, is it just referencing that Washington led to her eventual scuttling?
flat cargo
She was scuttled. I'll take care of that.
brazen reef
alright
minor star
New Update to KMS Prinz Eugen'"Indestructible Ship" confirmed new skill text change via play testing. Visually a 3 part shield, but all shields break after 10 shots. Stats remained same. Tested ship: Level 100, skill 10 "Unbreakable Shield"
shields do not break 10 shots each. but all break after 10 shots. level still appear to only affect spawn chance. 20s before shield appear confirm.
flat cargo
@minor star I just tested out what you were saying. Prinz's shields do not break all at once. I've had 2 shields revolve around her since just 1 was broken.
flat cargo
If I was on JP (I'm on EN) it wouldn't be any different.
minor star
it was different 1hr ago
flat cargo
Either your shields broke so fast they seemed to break all at once, or they disappeared due to hitting their time limit.
minor star
skill description is different from wiki though
flat cargo
Wiki uses JP/CN translation
minor star
i swear it acted like single shield. I was on 6-1 and tested it multiple times.
well glad it reverted. cause that was her only redeeming feature.
welp. inbefore chat ban
lavish wraith
mild pumice
It would be great if ships that are not available in EN yet would have a note somewhere saying
*only available in CN/JP/KR or Not Available on EN
shell hawk
there is a list of ships not available in EN so 
gentle river
and it says where its obtainable, if its not an event thats been on en, then its not there
mild pumice
yeah but me that usually just searches the ship, I only know a handful of ships not available yet or their retrofits
gentle river
if its just buildable then list of ships not available in en
noble stone
flat cargo
Then just go to the servers page. Below v
analog comet
yeah but me that usually just searches the ship, I only know a handful of ships not available yet or their retrofits
Well, time to change the habit
Opens up the server page first, find on page/CTRL+F ships you're searching for, and see if it's not available in EN
half nexus
Can you make a mobile version able to preview art/skins?
flat cargo
The wiki is kinda harsh on mobile. I think we're going to have to live with switching to desktop view
gentle river
afaik theres no plans to edit mobile view
prime notch
Well what if you just remove mobile view so that it always shows as desktop view?
gentle river
I dont think thats possible
its server side not really âwe chose to have mobileâ
prime notch
But you have it so it changes how its displayed if its mobile, why not just have them be the same display?
I had to make a website for a project last semester, and we just had a thing where it formed to the width of the monitor, nothing else was even made in mind for mobile and it looked exactly the same and functioned correctly on my phone
left cliff
wiki has a separate CSS for mobile
but you'd not only have to change that CSS, but possibly also a number of templates to get it work on mobile properly
prime notch
Ah ok, i see the problem now
arctic violet
The server can just ignore the webagent and only serve desktop, but that's really hacky. Maybe adding in a warning box at the top suggesting the site is best viewed in desktop mode will suffice.
prime notch
Yeah a warning would be good
quaint stream
the date for 2nd phase on EN version of Crimson Echoes Event has a typo that says 21st instead of 11th*
mossy pewter
This typo is on the EN version of the Crimson Echoes event.
hearty turret
looks fine to me
raven cradle
https://youtu.be/5csq-__EUqg?t=383
so which of these is correct?
fleet halo
cant rly find the info that support the 200 sec
guess will remove that line to avoid confusion 
regal wadi
the crimson event's map C3 has misinformation in boss node spawn. it spawns in I4 too
quaint wigeon
give wiki role thanks
fleet halo
@regal wadi fixed
last moss
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Dockyard#List_of_Ships_for_Retrofit
This list seems to be missing York, are there any other recent ones that haven't been updated on it?
left cliff
known, but we can't update the table before we have the info on the ships' pages (since it's all done manually)
last moss
but york's page has her retrofit values
unless those are just hypothetical values or something
vital topaz
shit, forgot it about that
ripe ledge
if ive seen anything which is faulty on the wiki, can i report it here?
shell hawk
Sure
median rivet
It seems like z25 was put on a separate row
ripe ledge
alright, its just a minor thing but
the JP lines in concords questline description say cleveland instead of concord
flat cargo
@median rivet Should be fixed now. We'll just have to wait for the table to update.
flat cargo
@ripe ledge Concord questline has been attended to. Thanks for the feedback!
ripe ledge
no problem, glad to help!
flat cargo
(Used copy and paste. Checked by google translate. Won't hurt if a speaker checks the original text)
ripe ledge
ah, not to sound rude, but the issue was both present on the questline tab, and at the bottom when you check concords page, where you can find all of her information
flat cargo
@ripe ledge The table on the bottom of her page will update automatically to reflect the changes on the questline page. It'll take a bit of time.
left cliff
@flat cargo or you just purge the cache and it does that right away ;)
regal wadi
is there a list of lunar new year mission questlines?
regal wadi
nope, just found it, it's this one
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Happy_New_Year someone linked it to me
fleet halo
thats just new year not lunar new year though
i am glad you found what u need though
regal wadi
yeah i thought so too but our current banner says it's lunar new year so i wasnt able to find it, sorry for the confusion
half nexus
Can we have full art preview here? Theres a lot of unused space.
prime notch
full art wont show up on mobile because of the way the CSS works
half nexus
its not mobile version
prime notch
unless you use desktop view, but then it would just be a massive scrolling page of one image at a time
half nexus
it is a desktop view...
prime notch
yeah but if it was full art, only one image could be on the screen and you would have to scroll for the rest
like just one column of images
half nexus
I was thinking about smaller version of the full art... Just how it is just showing a full art
prime notch
that would be incredibly tiny to try and fit a full art in that small rectangle
flat cargo
If we did that, that'd be a lot of cramming and you wouldn't be able to see anything. You can view the full skin at the corresponding ship pages
half nexus
Naaaah, make it a little bigger than it is.
it would fill unused space
or not the full skin but a little more than it is
prime notch
if you mean the whitespace on the right as the "unused space" it is being used by something, otherwise the girls would shift to fill that space
half nexus
I mean make the windows of skins a little bigger to the moment when theres no unsed space and in the same time a more revaling art
flat cargo
The images are the thumbnails you view in game, and cropping all those images to show more art would take a lot of time
gentle river
lets not use larger images
flat cargo
Once again, you can view a ship's skin on the corresponding ship's page.
half nexus
i know...
gentle river
its perfectly fine on PC, we canât adjust how it views on your phone
half nexus
but its just a simple suggestion which would speed up things for people like me
who wants to preview all skins at once
prime notch
if you mean this as the unused space, you cant make them bigger to fill it, the site already makes the largest number of columns to fill in its area, so it doesnt have access to this area for whatever reason
gentle river
its just mobile devices being silly
flat cargo
If you click this link, you can view all the previews for a specific category
half nexus
Well the text works fine in this area though
flat cargo
Tho apparently not all of it is updated
I think the New Years category is the only one that isn't updated. The rest of the categories should have everything
half nexus
nah
prime notch
actually you may want to pass this on to the relevant wiki team people but there is an issue with the ship grid for the skins page
half nexus
misc skins missing too
prime notch
the ships by images grid goes the full width of the page when i resize it, but the gap keeps getting bigger when i resize my window larger for the ships with skins page
flat cargo
?
prime notch
that white space actually should not be there at all
its not mobile messing up its also for desktop aswell
half nexus
thats what i was talking about
prime notch
yeah at first i thought it was just a size problem but the grid isnt filling the page
gentle river
im going to look at it on pc, this is what I was talking about though
afaik its just phone view scrunching it oddly together
yes even though its pc view
fleet halo
from my understand it was set to have so much space so that square version monitor will see it also
at least thats what i was told
prime notch
its treating the whitespace as a margin
but the ships by images list doesnt have the margin
fleet halo
tech ppl we need you @thick juniper
flat cargo
It is possible to change the width to take up the full page (just tested), but seems like there's a reason for not doing so
gentle river
lets go itsfyh
flat cargo
But the reason as to why the margin exists was given 
prime notch
it was given? then what was the reason?
flat cargo
Scroll up. Nozo said it just a bit ago.
and for the skin images on the skin categories pages, I'll get to updating those.
prime notch
hmmm but its weird that it doesnt show up on the full shiplist grid
flat cargo
Huh. Different format probably. That list of ships wraps so that there is no margin regardless of zoom
prime notch
yeah i just wonder why it isnt the same for all of them, wouldve probably saved some time if they were all the same
prime notch
are you planning on putting information about the "hit" stat? or maybe adding it to the ship stats?(i dont even know if it increases with level)
fleet halo
not for now and same with luck
prime notch
well luck is harder cuz you cant even calculate that, but you can calculate hit if you know the ship's score
fleet halo
o the decision is not base on how useful the stats are
right now we don't have anyone that can datamine the stat from the game on the wiki team anymore
we could technically "copy" cn wiki accuracy / luck but they could be wrong
additionally we dont have the manpower to update around 300ish ships for 2 extra stats
prime notch
well do you at least know if hit changes with their level or if its constant? that would at least help me
flat cargo
Changes with level
prime notch
ok thank you
flat cargo
Switch to desktop view. Wiki isn't optimized for mobile unfortunately
ripe latch
Thats not what i mean
Look at the right side of the screenshot
And it works fine on mobile
shell hawk
Oh that
flat cargo
Oh. Yeah, that exists.
flat cargo
Seems to me as if the ' is breaking it
thick juniper
@arctic violet 
half nexus
Category for Monthly login reward ships would be nice. Or Im just blind and cant find it
gentle river
they get added to the construction build after some time
arctic violet
fixed @thick juniper
elder locust
Can somebody tag me with Wiki Team over here when you get a chance? Thanks~
flat cargo
@fleet halo ^
fleet halo
sure
analog comet
@half nexus hmm how about something like this instead? I edited the list on Server Difference to carry bit more info
vital topaz
That's way better
analog comet
and yeah, I'm using 'ship not in en' list since player can see what ship have been given as monthly reward on their collection/handbook menu even if they don't have it
half nexus
đ
quaint stream
Where is the boss drop? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Chapter_11
thick juniper
Will prob add it, but 11-4 Columbia is boss only @quaint stream
quaint stream
i see...!
devout cloud
fleet halo
some of the equipment name might not match the EN version as most of the wiki content is based on jp
prime notch
the seafire is the naval version of the spitfire, its actually sea spitfire
fleet halo
let me check if this is right though base on jp
prime notch
swagfire
hardy hull
let me check if this is right though base on jp JP wiki says it's Seafire as well https://i.imgur.com/PKRBDMq.png
fleet halo
regal wadi
what happen to list of ships thats on Servers wiki?
why is it only showing that's currently not in EN?
i love the one before it where it shows that ships exactly are in EN
the retrofit one too
flat cargo
Because the other tabs show ships exclusive to the server, while EN has no ship exclusive to the server. Including the 200+ ships in one list is impractical
regal wadi
i mean considering EN is the newest server and only a few ships are exclusive to CN/JP
KR well it depends, i think they have lots of ships released already
we are barely half the amount of ships available in cn/jp
hardy hull
"Ships in EN" list would just grow bigger and bigger and at some would have to be changed to "not in EN" anyway, because we'll have most of ships
regal wadi
it should have its own wiki page then?
i mean it helps for people who's making tier guide/list
gentle river
they cant just scroll down?
regal wadi
scroll down what
hardy hull
No, my point is that someone would have to actively support list, that would be obsolete sooner rather than later, so it makes more sense, to have one that won't get obsolete from the start
gentle river
to see the ships not in en
hardy hull
And just disappear when it's no longer needed
regal wadi
@gentle river i dont get what you mean, its only showing whats not in en but not showing what exactly is on en
or are you saying they should compare both list of "not in en" with "full list of ships"
gentle river
thats what the wiki has settled on
regal wadi
thats lot of hassle, wiki is supposed to be informative
gentle river
not to compare, but to know what isnât in there in the first place
shell hawk
We've already decided long ago, that players can simply check the collection in game if they needed to.
regal wadi
collection in game only appears if you got that ship
gentle river
no they still appear
shell hawk
No, as long as you encountered the ship it appears
gentle river
they will just be greyed out
regal wadi
oh you mean that
gentle river
man having this 15 second timer and being on the wiki team is such a hassle
regal wadi
but why not just put in wiki, also how bout the retrofits?
gentle river
we also have retrofits listed
but I dont remember if its whats available or isnât available im em
regal wadi
some things are available in-game, but someone who is offline and wanted to check the list, plus making a tier guide while actively opening the game is also a hassle
retrofits only showing whats not in en
shell hawk
Again, you can also see that in game
And if you're offline you can't check the wiki either
gentle river
I dont see how its a hassle as people who write guides would have to have multiple tabs open and switch back and forth on their phone to write it there, or switch back and forth between tabs on pc
regal wadi
to ur defense, why even make a wiki that already has the info in-game, also thats not what i mean by "offline"
my "offline" means "offline from game" not from internet lol
hardy hull
tbf - for retrofits it should be "Retrofits in EN" because you can't check that in-game
regal wadi
just bring back the previous list, it's a dropdown button if won't drag the page if u dont click on it
tbf the event list on the server page is taking too much space, it should be dropdown too
gentle river
afaik wikihost does not want to use drop down for events on servers
shell hawk
Correct
regal wadi
and you guys even remove the hai twins and portland from the retrofit list when its not even released, this will make it confusing if u guys decided to stay this way. at the very least wait till it appear
flat cargo
Because they were announced, and they will be here very shortly 
And it helps us stay on top of things
regal wadi
yeah sure, but what if people thought it is already released?
for people who dont occasionally follow the updates on twitter and just want to check what's currently released in the game for example
and it'll be at least a week before they do, thats a long of period of time and u cant expect for people to not be confused
shell hawk
Patch notes do appear in game but no one ever reads them
gentle river
then they should look at the twitter because its on the way and provides the most up to date info of en 
flat cargo
Well, those cases would be few, because if you're not checking the twitter frequently, you're probably not doing the same for the wiki. And their confusion would be cleared up by:
A) simply asking another player
B) waiting
shell hawk
Personally I don't see any reason to change it
gentle river
(sometimes with spelling errors 
)
regal wadi
wow really, why not just put them back and wait till they're released?
"simply asking another player" yeah sure whats the purpose of wiki then, im not complaining but thats a rubbish excuse
really just bring in back, this goes to other elements in the wiki too, all parts in wiki should be in the game
gentle river
they were already announced, on the wiki we do things before they happen in game, its just how we roll
new ship? we create a page for them before we even have stats on them or access to their cg
regal wadi
if we need to base of different sources, how do u expect for people to not be confused
gentle river
new skin? we got that too, but we dont have access to the cg yet (as its not in game) so the image will be missing
lavish wraith
you're free to make your own wiki you know? anyone can host one. we're all volunteers here, if you dont like the work we do, you can go somewhere else.
regal wadi
this will be rare case, yeah, but we cant even view retrofits that we didnt get in-game, that makes the matter worse
@lavish wraith smart answer, you should use this arguement for any wiki feedback you guys received
flat cargo
hardy hull
if you dont like the work we do, you can go somewhere else uh, what's the point of this channel in that case?
lavish wraith
most feedback are constructive
regal wadi
why are you even in the wiki team
flat cargo
Lets not get into personal attacks here.
regal wadi
my feedbacks weren't constructive?
gentle river
to provide feedback, thats the point
but somethings we wont change as thats just not how we do it here
regal wadi
well in the end its up to you guys, i was just "convincing"
lavish wraith
feedback is good yes, but just simply demnading we change stuff to fit your needs as you deem fit isnt really feedback.
regal wadi
huh? its for ALL users' benefit, not only me, wdym?
hardy hull
fish, you should probably chill a bit...
shell hawk
Ok that's enough
lavish wraith
ye, i should. sorry. but i just dont see the benefit of what smants said.
sorry for being a hardon asshole
regal wadi
ignore what i said if you want to, but saying my feedback is useless on non-constructive is really lame without giving ur reason
flat cargo
Sure, it might benefit all users, but the benefit is minimal, and compared to just doing things when they're announced to stay on top of things, it's easier for the wiki team
Confusion wouldn't last that long too, so it's not too much of a deal.
gentle river
im 99% sure we have it show retrofits not available because the list is going to get larger and larger and its going to lose its purpose once its almost fully caught up
flat cargo
And the Servers page is to list difference within the servers, not showcase what's available in each one. In fact, the ships thing was just extra info the team tacked on.
regal wadi
@gentle river you cant check all retrofits in-game, only the one u achieved yes
hardy hull
That logic works for ships, because you still can see what's in game
you can't see what retros are
lavish wraith
the other wiki staff here already gave their reason. i dont see a need to parrot after them.
gentle river
thats what the wiki staff will say, im only saying what I remember them saying
regal wadi
yeah i wanted to hear ur reason since u're the one saying my feedback weren't constructive
flat cargo
You can go here and compare.
gentle river
theyre the ones in charge of what goes into the ânot in enâ ships
and they instructed us to have it show whats not available in en
lavish wraith
okay so basically, your feedback here is to have a list of all ships in EN, along with a list of ships in EN that is available for retrofit, all in one convenient place for players to refer to yes?
regal wadi
yes, i recommend it to have its own wiki page
flat cargo
This is seriously getting nowhere
We gave our reasons as to why we're not doing what you have asked. We gave alternate options as to how you can acquire information that you requested. This is #wiki-feedback, and the team can decide which feedback to implement and not.
regal wadi
i dont see any reason given?
gentle river
the wiki host doesnt want a separate page just for EN iirc
regal wadi
i mean what could be the reason, you guys HAD it on the previous time
flat cargo
Restart - 2019-01-24 01:02 -06:00
"Ships in EN" list would just grow bigger and bigger and at some would have to be changed to "not in EN" anyway, because we'll have most of ships
"at some point" amiright, but it's not at this time especially when we almost have the same amount of ships available and unavailable
flat cargo
Restart - 2019-01-24 01:03 -06:00
No, my point is that someone would have to actively support list, that would be obsolete sooner rather than later, so it makes more sense, to have one that won't get obsolete from the start
okay, give me 2 weeks, i had a list that i was doing before that i sort of abandoned. i'll get it done sometime during lunar new year since i get a holiday then. @regal wadi you can find it at ?aldrops command.
it wont be in the wiki but hey, its still a standalone list by itself
regal wadi
is it gonna be updated?
lavish wraith
i will update it yes. i have abandoned it recently cuz i work 2 jobs while studying, but ye, im graduating in march so i'll keep it updated.
gentle river
im sure if you asked to put the list on your user page you could, that would give it a redirect
given some people put their own guides on their user pages on the wiki
regal wadi
i think that's ok, but wiki users would need to benefit from that too so you probably should put the link on wiki
lavish wraith
meh, its not on the wiki and navi pinned it to a command anyway. i'll see about that when i get it updated and completed. im embarrassed by its current state anyway 
flat cargo
Other than that, please understand that we have the right to refuse implementations of wiki feedback. This way, we can avoid long, drawn out conversations like this..
gentle river
and sometimes wikihost asks us to not do things, given a reason or not, we have no choice but to listen
flat cargo
Sure, it'd be nice to have lists that make it convenient for the user. We'd like that too, but given our manpower and the fact that it's volunteer work, we're going to prioritize where our efforts go.
lavish wraith
i did not know that we not not have control over our content that we put up? I though its only the redirect nicks thing.
gentle river
theres a few other things I cant remember, but the wikihost doesnt talk in this server ever so people exclusively wiki team in this server only wont ever hear about it
flat cargo
lavish wraith
the wiki host actually talks in alec?
shell hawk
Yes
gentle river
yes but no one uses that channel, wikihost also talks in a different channel
lavish wraith
i see. time to swap servers, bye ALO 
its a joke, dont dan me
gentle river
sorry this is straying off feedback 
analog comet
Wow, seems like I missed a lot on discussion about the page I managed the most
Let me quote a bit
Also applies to retrofit list
gentle river
I said the same thing about retrofits and restart said the same thing about available on en, so in the end it was resolved exactly like that but super drawn out because of a bit of a stubborn sticky situation
analog comet
Yeah, I just giving some proofs that wikihost said so
gentle river
alright thanks I couldnt find it when I looked so I said it
analog comet
Also, about why we already removed hai sister and portland from not in en list is mostly because I prefer do one big chunk of update at once
And that update happens to be today, when CN/JP having WC rerun while KR having nagato event
I mean sure we can update it every week or so, right after the implementation of said update in-game. But we don't have the manpower
I'd be happy if another wiki contrib helps me update that page every single update on every single server. But well, bitter truth, nobody does, or at least not anymore
Keeping eyes for 4 servers already quite challenge for me, even more if I need to update it once a week bcs EN seems like to update irregularly
@regal wadi
gentle river
I could but im asleep when every update happens so it would be delayed
regal wadi
@analog comet lol i can manage that page just give me right to edit
analog comet
Well, you can request an account if you want
I don't have the power to confirm your account tho
vital topaz
Why am I smelling that you're going to contact them
And better not bothering the last one.
analog comet
kek tru dat
winter siren
friendly advise just don't for the last one.
prime notch
Just a question, but is the wiki team actively against putting javascript or code on the wiki?
For the EN shiplist, You could just have the full shiplist but tell it to remove all the ones that are in the exclusive lists, since you already have to actively change the exclusive lists
thick juniper
Wiki host is against javascript use
iirc
You can ask @noble stone about it for more details.
prime notch
Oof well rip that idea
regal wadi
thanks
zenith cobalt
Quick question: What's the most easy way to help add the voice-lines to ships that don't have theirs on the Wiki yet?
fleet halo
i would say apply for a wiki account and upload the voice after extracting it from game file
zenith cobalt
Ok. Thanks for answer.
regal wadi
there's misinformation on fusou and yamashiro's retrofit info on their corresponding pages, there's no need for firepower nodes to be unlocked to modenize them (refer pic above)
remove " I " from unlock requirement at J node
left cliff
done
fleet halo
pine notch
Can the urgent commision page be updated with the information that urgent commisions don't appear after fighting an escort/boss fleet in stages 1-1,1-2 and 1-3. They seem to be programmed to not pop up when fighting specificly on those maps. 1-4 is the exeption as the enemies you face in 1-4 escort fleets are different from the other previously named levels hence bypassing this restriction.
flat cargo
Urgent commissions are random, so it might be just RNG for you.
thick juniper
if i have time
which i don't have cuz im occupied
just go check each individual aa gun which you can click the item image on that page
hardy hull
https://i.imgur.com/tLbe3ML.png is that intentional that "Winter Crown Rerun" missing from CN news?
winter siren
I guess someone forgot to add it, fixed anyway
(forgot to add emote and also the slowmode thing)
fleet halo
actually was asking someone to upload cn banner for wc before updating it
but i guess jp banner is ok also
somber wasp
I mean, they're same anyway 
fleet halo
ya i guess 
noble stone
You can update the news without the banner you know
Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater
vital topaz
or just use the same banner as for JP or CN
wet bison
There is a typo on Z23's retrofit info: Anti-Air Enhancement (F node) has +15/+25 AA modifiers, not +5/+10 as in Wiki (unfortunately, I didn't screenshot 2 upgrade steps separately, so it shows total +40 AA in the image).
The Wiki entry for reference
flat cargo
@wet bison Fixed!
wet bison
yay!
wet bison
I was just accepted as https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/User:Oxide on Wiki and I want to make my first contribution. The thing is that what I want to do is related to Crimson Echoes EN which just ended, so my info cannot be verified by anyone now. So am I still allowed to edit the Crimson Echoes EN page to add missing data?
I want to:
- update node maps
- add what moving fleets were available on each map
- clarify enemy levels (e.g. small fleet levels always equal 1 modulo 5 etc.)
- add enemy spawn patterns (e.g. A1 always spawns like this:
1 wave: 1 moving fleet + 2 escort fleets
2 wave: 1 escort fleet
3 wave: 2 escort fleets
4 wave: 1 escort fleet
5 wave: boss + 2 escort fleets
6 wave: 1 escort fleet)
fleet halo
@wet bison gave u the wiki role, talk in #466119672165695488
wet bison
@lavish wraith @fleet halo didn't know about that, thanks!
analog comet
I'll be reworking Skins page and it's categories for the next few hours. I'd appreciate it if nobody turns a feedback about said page being messed up or something 
gentle river
heads up skins page is a mess
arctic violet
Looks pretty to me
prime notch
hello wiki team, you may want to fix this
left cliff
I've assumed it's intentional because there's a redirect for the spelling without a dot
prime notch
but ive never seen the dot anywhere graf spee has been mentioned
also even if the dot needs to be there, there needs to be a space between it and spee
fleet halo
It is intentional as the cn version has the weird dot in her name even though jp and en dont have it
prime notch
oh thats werid
fleet halo
let me ask the wiki host if we can change her name to fit jp and en instead
prime notch
(are we sure that the CN name isnt a typo?)
fleet halo
@noble stone can read up on it? ^
not sure tbh, i cant really see her name in cn as i dont have her
but yeah cn wiki got that weird dot also
i feel like jp one use to have it but not anymore or i just remember it wrong
prime notch
does CN Graf Zeppelin have the dot? cuz otherwise i think its a typo
noble stone
Why would there be a dot
fleet halo
thats how it was in game for cn
gentle river
jp never had it afaik
fleet halo
jif do u have spee on cn?
primal pier
https://puu.sh/CFPVS.png might be a mistake?
fleet halo
i guess they fixed it in game then
i wanted to removed the dot before cause it make the ship by image page formatting weird
but was told it was like that in cn so can't change
anyways it is now fixed
flat cargo
Is that a toolbox on a CA I see 
gentle river
tosa u would know the state of this situation anyways 
we know cn wiki is wrong now
winter siren
|| Tosa: I know just emphasizing on the no dot thing||
simple geyser
left cliff
that's auto-generated, don't think we can fix that
last obsidian
I dont know who is in charge for the wiki site but pls change the current event on the front page and also give us back the proper information about the ships that are limited to other servers and cant be build on EN/Global currently. Its annoying and confusing for people if it says : Ship is obtainable through construction X-Y-Z but its not.
lavish wraith
@last obsidian can you elaborate?
left cliff
do you mean https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers#Ships ?
last obsidian
That ship is not on EN/Global.. at least i havent seen any submarine shipfu yet in the game but it appears to be obtainable through aviation construction.. which is technically not true : https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/U-81 -
But this shipfu has the proper information : https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/U-47 and also the correct event is written down
Next problem is this ship here : https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Hatsushimo and this tweet : https://twitter.com/AzurLane_EN/status/1091410856791834624
Also the current event is the NEW LUNAR one and not the Crimson Echoes. Im not sure if the wiki staff has a lot of work to do or preparing for the prc´s new year festival but it would be nice if the informations would match the current state of the game for EN/Global
flat cargo
@last obsidian The sections of ship pages regarding construction is based primarily off of JP/CN perma build and events. If you want to see what ships aren't available in EN yet, check https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers#Ships
And yeah, we're getting to the main screen thing.
last obsidian
Im not sure if im getting trolled now but you had a little circle on every ship that was primarily a JP/CN build and if you hover with your mouse over that circle it said : JP/CN only. What happend to that one? I feel like a lot of wrong stuff is happening there
flat cargo
This is U-47's page. It's just a note.
lavish wraith
we are short staffed and its hard for us to go through all of them, especially when some of us don't handle the more in-depth thing such as template changing for the botes. we will slowly get to them all, please have patience.
the wiki was made before EN was a thing, so a lot of information especially the older ones were not updated with EN in mind.
flat cargo
Yeah, so for now, you'll have to make to do with the Servers page. It might be a tad inconvenient, you still get the same info
last obsidian
i mean is it possible to add at least that cant be constructed page or something similar to that one
left cliff
@last obsidian the wiki covers CN, JP, EN and to a minor extent KR version of the game
EN is currently playing catch-up with CN/JP/KR, so any info in that regard is obsolete again quickly
we have to find a balance between providing information and maintenance of the pages - and it's just easier to maintain one central list of the ships we don't have yet than having all that info scattered over the ships' pages
permanent differences between the versions (like the starters and which one you unlock through Collections) can go on the individual pages, but temporary info really shouldn't
last obsidian
Huh... ok : https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Hyuuga#Retrofit
vital topaz
What's wrong with it
quaint stream
I find the wiki incredibly confusing as a beginner. I wanted to know if the ships in the gacha right now can be constructed at a later point or if I have to go all in now. apparently all of them are limited, yet each ship has different information regarding their limited status on the wiki, see Yat Sen vs Chaser comparison. Please make the wiki more understandable if, how and when a ship is available. Its probably the most important information considering that this is a gacha game.
quaint stream
Then why does it not say that for Yat Sen?
left cliff
because Yat Sen is a mess ...
CN got her in a mini event (similar to Spee)
JP got her just added to the build pool
EN got her in the event now (but not CN or JP)
so yeah ...
noble stone
Best to go off the event page
The template was not designed to accommodate radical differences between versions
gentle river
queue nozo's infamous neptunenod
noble stone
It's a bit unfortunate but a lot of stuff was set up in templates/tables that make the workflow easier for them
but very hard for other people
so if they're not there to update things, nobody else really can figure it out or wants to put in the time to work through the code
quaint stream
@left cliff That is basically what I wanted to know, could you put this information in the wiki? I would have found that very useful and it would have saved me the time to ask around what is up with the ships limited status
Just put all of that into the "additional note" section and all would be good instead of leaving it half finished and confusing newbies like me
fleet halo
ya wish i know how do template and stuff 
feral spruce
its relatively easy to make templates
it is harder to read other people's but that's just how all programming is
the drop template is my least favorite because it inherently requires ignoring versions of the game
the easiest option around this is to replicate it 4 times for each version but then someone is going to have to put all that in
modern fable
if one wants to help out with the wiki and add in missing info, is there anywhere one can sign up or ask
crude merlin
guess you may want to fix this problem
shell hawk
Yeah we know about it
crude merlin
oh
shell hawk
Unfortunately the person responsible isn't online
golden maple
guys, there's lots of wrong information in long island retrofit info, like its so messed up, please look into the requirement nodes that need to be unlocked, there's too many mistakes
H node doesnt need F to be unlocked, instead it needs G
I node doesnt need D to be unlocked, instead it needs G and H
stuff like that
hoary charm
"Best to go off the event page" But Yat Sen isn't even on the https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Lunar_New_Year_2019 page >_<
she's 1.5% (on EN) btw
winter siren
@golden maple fixed thanks for reporting.
shell hawk
@hoary charm Fixed
hoary charm
ty
golden maple
thx
lusty summit
If anyone from the Wiki is here, could we lable or mark features that are not available on the EN servers? It's hard to know what needs to be unlocked somewhere and what just isn't available....
safe mural
Just wondering if this has been reported yet
gentle river
my god screw this slowmode
safe mural
nvm I just scrolled up
gentle river
you should scroll up because yes it has
hate slow mode.
safe mural
Slowmode is possibly the worst thing I've ever encountered. :')
lusty summit
Ships is fine, but for example, I speant some time looking for Submarines, and the Auditorium....
gentle river
well if you look at the ships that arent in en, youâll notice theres submarines
its 5 am I shouldnt be talking anymore after all these errors
lusty summit
Took me a while to figure that out... but the Auditorium, Core Shop and Research took a while longer to figure out...
gentle river
if you play the game youâll notice those arent available since we provide photos of the UIs as well... so if it took you so long to find out we dont actually have it even by playing the game daily, it sounds like a personal issue
Iâll let some wiki staff jump on this though and decide
safe mural
If I have links to the official artists page for the wiki can I link it here or is there a better place?
gentle river
you may yes
I suggest disabling the previews though by surrounding the links with < >
gentle river
im not so confident on that one considering the artist goes by unako
safe mural
yeah I know my brain is messed up
lusty summit
@gentle river That was rude, some of the features are suposed to unlock at certain points, for example the Auditorium is supposed to unlock at 50, when I got to 50 I kept looking to see if I was missing something that would unlock it.. just because the picture is not in english is no indication of the feature not being available, the Tactical Classroom picture is also not in english and it's available...
safe mural
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Module_talk:Sandbox/Mserob/Artist
NOW, under Tsunako: http://mayo.warabimochi.net
also "Tony" doesn't usually go by that. He goes by "Tony Taka" , so I suggest an edit for that as well.
proof: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Taka
and yes he does go by Tony sometimes but most ppl know him as Tony Taka
lusty summit
Another are the ship quests, I tried to do Tirpiz's ship quest, as it was the first I was attempting I couldn't figure out why clicking on her wouldn't start it... I thought I was somehow doing it wrong..
gentle river
I am getting a broken ID from that link
tbf so far you are the only person to ask for labels about quests/mechanics/features to state that they arent in the game, I figure people who look at the wiki assume the thing just isnât in the game yet
but as I said Iâll let someone from the staff decide on that because theyre a little picky about adding details like that
safe mural
I fixed it Kawa, I shouldn't be trying to help @ 7 am :')
gentle river
also you might want to look here https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Artists as sandbox is where we mess around and test things really
hardy hull
One day Chaser's art just appeared in the office. Devs still don't know how it got there, but decided to use it anyway 
https://i.imgur.com/5Ps7RvU.png
lusty summit
True, I now do the same, assume that it's not in game if I can't access it now. It would be nice to know for sure, and since I only started playing late December 2018 I can say as a relitively new player that I use the WIKI almost daily while playing, knowing what refits/quests/features are not available without having to cross-reference in game would be nice.
safe mural
Ahhh, ok, I'll keep that link up. Thank you Kawa, you're always really helpful :)
shell hawk
If you're not sure whether something is in EN, you could always ask the #gameplay-help
safe mural
Also for Tony Taka https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Artists
here is his official webpage: http://www.bekkoame.ne.jp/i/taka_tony/
(gonna keep updating artists but at a roadblock bc Chasers artist is gonna drive me insane)
shell hawk
But yes, as mentioned above, the staff is picky about it so we'll let them have the final say
lusty summit
It's all good, either way it's not a serious issue. Just got HMS Chaser and noticed her anti-sub skill and remembered looking for sub info and trying to find them in game back in December..
noble stone
Wasn't the artist page automatically generated?
and why are we automatically generating things instead of just doing it properly by hand
gentle river
thats what I said in the wiki channel
I would have manually edited it but I recall it being generated so I left it up to someone who wasnt awake at 5 am
noble stone
Yeah it needs to stop
This whole auto-generating bullshit
Do the work properly the first time in wikitext
What's the good of having a wiki if nobody can edit the stuff
left cliff
except manually editing wouldn't have helped in this case, either
since Chaser's page doesn't have the info on her artist or VA
personally I'm all for cargo tables in cases like this, because it reduces the amount of manual editing needed and the risk of having outdated info somewhere
problem is when they break for some obscure reason ...
but that's more a problem of people not documenting stuff properly - like I can't even look at the Lua script and try to fix it because I don't know where to find it
noble stone
I'm talking about situations we've had in the past
Like liduke having 2 entries
These are usually fairly static things that don't change
You shouldn't have to go into the cargo entry
and change that to make modifications
Vamp and I are probably going to need to review these things on a case-by-case basis in the future
Cargo causes a lot of problems for us
flat cargo
Artists having two entries usually means that a link here and there are different.
left cliff
the thing about Liduke was that their name was written differently on the ships' pages
I think links don't matter for that, only the Artist field
flat cargo
left cliff
ye, Dunkerque had the name in full Chinese "éşťçšçĺ°ćĽĺ" instead of "Liduke(ćĽĺ)"
flat cargo
Nah. There was a case of artists having the same name on the table, but still being listed twice, and the issue was links
left cliff
case in point: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Mikasa is missing the artist's Twitter link (see https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Haruna for example) and they're listed together
flat cargo
That's weird. I specifically remember going in and editing links to fix the table for an artist.
gentle river
youâre not wrong maj, there definitely was the same exact name on there 2 times
(I had just woken up ok)
fleet halo
modern fable
fiery grail
I hate to be that guy but I think Mullany's art actually got censored in CN, and the wiki does not make a distinction
This is the art on the wiki
This is the art in EN (and presumably JP)
You can distinctly see her nipples through her shirt (especially on her left boob)
whereas that's completely absent in the picture on the wiki
fleet halo
navi so into details
but yeah others told us already
i just lazy to upload it, actually had a busy weekend cause lny
ok it is updated now
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Mullany#Default
fiery grail
It was actually a friend on another server that pointed it out to me no really
gentle river
we noticed a long time ago but no one has sent us the file or uploaded it
pine notch
Oklahoma's wiki page gives non-retrofit Oklahoma a D rank for Eva while Retro Oklahoma gets a C rank for Eva despite the fact that her Eva remains the same after Retro (both being 11 eva according to the Wiki)
elder locust
Just verified against the client and looks like that was incorrectly tagged, wiki has been updated. Thanks 
dense panther
Please add countdown timer for events somewhere, no need go as far to add in game itself, just pin link to specialized site would be great.
quick pilot
Hi all. Easy typo fix on the wiki spotted! On the https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Triple_283mm_(SK_C/28)#Type 3 (Type 3) page, the link to Admiral Graf Spee at the bottom of the page needs a fix.
shell hawk
fixed, thx!
distant plover
If the gun Calibre/Length designations are not listed in-game (they aren't for EN, perhaps they are for CN/JP?), then, historically speaking, this gun is mislabeled:
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Triple_152mm_(6"/53_caliber_gun)#Type 1
It should be the 6"/47 gun, the later version that is used on the Cleveland class, not the earlier 6"/53 gun (which is listed correctly for the twin turret, used on the Omaha class)
safe mural
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Mogami Her page is a different layout than everyone else
Also she has no pictures...
shell hawk
No pictures?
hardy hull
safe mural
hardy hull
check if you have mobile version
bottom of the page
press Desktop view or something
safe mural
Son of a pickle, you're right -.-
shell hawk
the page hasn't been edited since november, so it definitely wasn't a recent edit that borked it
yeahh
safe mural
I don't understand though, I searched her up from the search bar ? And I'm on desktop
hardy hull
it happens sometimes I think
safe mural
Weird... Is it only her page that does that?
safe mural
I've never looked at her before lol
shell hawk
well it's random
and the ones we have investigated were borked as a result of edits done in mobile
safe mural
Huh. Weird. Oh well, I had no idea there was a mobile version so now I guess that's good for when I'm on my cell. Thanks guys! :)
fleet halo
fierce bramble
Can I become part of the wiki team too?
dull stag
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Ships_by_Stats
is this page fucked for anyone else? im getting something that looks like the mobile version of the page, and i can't sort ships by stats
prime notch
yeah its defaulting to the mobile page for whatever reason
thick juniper
@fierce bramble well you can request an account in the wiki page
fleet halo
i have it as pc version
fierce bramble
Thanks 
dull stag
mustve been fixed pretty quickly
hard bridge
All of the gun dps stats are missing did we get a new formula? Did Guro crack the code?
thick juniper
@hard bridge we get a graphical update to Equipment template
rugged charm
uhm, this has nothign related to the wiki itself but how does endergaming make his wiki dark theme?
gentle river
codes it for themselves
we do not actually support dark theme
and we will not be supporting dark theme
shell hawk
that's a browser extension @rugged charm
rugged charm
can you tell me wich? @shell hawk (sorry for ping)
shell hawk
It was dark reader
rugged charm
thank you
fierce bramble
Is there a different chat for the wiki team or no? I received an account this morning
hardy hull
@fleet halo has to give you wiki team role and you'll be able to access it.
fierce bramble
Oh
hardy hull
wait for him to come online
hardy hull
fleet halo
brazen reef
isn't Choukai's name on the wiki just spelled Chokai without the U in the middle?
fleet halo
no?
brazen reef
Weird. Whenever I look up her name anywhere else they always spell it ChĹkai and not Choukai
She's not even in the game yet so
hardy hull
Ĺ=ou
gentle river
shes in the game for other versions so its like 1 quarter of a
golden maple
in chapter 9 and chapter 10 ship drops, z23 is still labelled as "CN only"
it should be CN/EN
fierce remnant
Issue: Chapter 7-4 Ship drop table is missing Arethusa and Galatea. (Both Normal and Hard)
river phoenix
On the wiki graf zeppelin has 358 aviation while victorious has 368.
Graf Zeppelin's Aviation is rated S whike victorious's is rated A while having higher aviation.is that supposed to be?
dense zealot
It counts stat growth no ?
hardy hull
also stat letters are kinda cosmetic
shell hawk
They are purely aesthetic and very inaccurate
left cliff
@river phoenix it's what the game says - also, I'd guess it's because Illus has two fighters and a torp bomber, while Zepp has one fighter and two drop bombers
fighters don't contribute to skill activation
ivory plover
ello, wanna point out that Vestal's Skill Activation voice sample is broken in the wiki, here;s the sound file i got from the page
(Lower volume before playing it)
fleet halo
@elder locust can you fix it when you are free? thanks 
^
ivory plover
you want me to record the line and give it here?
or u guys already have some database storage of that
fleet halo
we just get the file from the apk, it is more consistent
but thanks for the offer
ivory plover
wraith tulip
minor error: it says on long islands retrofit that materials needed are 1/1x when it should be 1/2x
river phoenix
Is the wiki down
left cliff
looks like it
thick juniper
Wiki is up now
left cliff
@wraith tulip 1/1 is correct for me
after you've fully unlocked the node, it shows the total for blueprints and money
wraith tulip
but there are two upgrades in that node
unless i'm not getting what the numbers are supposed to mean
left cliff
yes, and each takes 1 bp and 1500 coin, so 2 bp and 3000 coin total
those numbers are per step
take node I, for example - first step is 1 bp, second is 2 bp, so total is 3 bp
left cliff
elder locust
Vestal audio line should be fixed now, might need to purge your browser cache for it to load the new file. Thanks for the heads up
ivory plover
checked, its working now, thanks ^^
quick pilot
Which country/region's release of the game is the table at https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Dockyard#Retrofit meant for, and could the title of the table please be updated to reflect this?
vital topaz
CN/JP/KR mostly
quick pilot
That was sort of the feeling I got. I know there are a couple of battleships listed there that aren't able to be retrofitted in the EN version.
quick pilot
Woo. Thank you!
shell hawk
Iirc for the retrofit table, it lists down the earliest released for any server
plush citrus
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers#English Server
Here it says Chang Chun's Spring's Affection skin isn't in EN
fierce bramble
I see why, it's called "The Joy of Spring" in EN instead of Spring's Affection
But I have fixed it, thank you for the notice
vital topaz
@fierce bramble Noted: that's her name in CN/JP
do not change her name for EN names, thanks.
fierce bramble
Dw I didnt change anything I only removed the skin from "not in en"
clear estuary
fleet halo
hmm?
gentle river
no context
hardy hull
It's in the list of defensive skills
Also it's prolly wrong icon
because skill itself is blue
spiral prairie
looking at the wiki it's the defensive skills page and the query is presumably about the colour of the icon
left cliff
wrong icon entirely
Grenville didn't have the skill icon set, so for some reason it grabbed a random one
fixed now
fleet halo
sage basin
may I ask if there is any problem related to the fixing of this? 
the Coef, DPS and Rng values have already been gone a while
shell hawk
Yeah we kinda upgraded the equipment template and everything went wonky
We have to manually change all the 200 or so equips to fix it
sage basin
yike 
fierce remnant
Issue: Warspite missing in retrofit list on https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Dockyard#Retrofit
fleet halo
ya equipment table
fierce bramble
Im unsure of how much warspite retrofit costs but once I gather all the info I will add her in
fierce bramble
Got it
quaint stream
Should we put some of the missing-from-wiki Valentines lines here/somewhere or no?
outer fox
I just got a Natchi drop from SP1, but the wiki says she only drops on SP2/SP3. Maybe EN server is using different drop tables for some reason?
flat cargo
fleet halo
tranquil shoal
Hmmm..
unborn oak
It says Nachi drops from SP2 and SP3, but she is available in SP1 aswell
fleet halo
sure let me add it
fierce remnant
Matchless has blue background of rare ship instead of background of elite ship in here https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Winter's_Crown_Rerun#Limited_Craft
fleet halo
it is fixed thanks
high salmon
List of CL Gun, BB Gun, Torp, and AA Guns are missing data
with "Error: No field named "CoefMax" found for any of the specified database tables."
cinder willow
Was the EN run of Visitors Dyed in Red the original version or the rerun version with 2 added ships?
cinder willow
Alright, thank you.
rain burrow
If anyone's interested, I can link my spreadsheet I made for personal use here or on Reddit. It has some of the information I got from the wiki on there. It's not as complete, but it's something to tide everyone over maybe.
I planned on sharing it at some point, but it's not finished and I'm a bit of a perfectionist.
shell hawk
Spreadsheet with what information
rain burrow
Ah, guess I should've said lol. It has most ship stats and makes it easy to compare them, also has skills and gear slots listed. I have a tab for weapons, and it has a lot of what the wiki had, but it's a little simplified. (And sort of not finished)
I can send you the link if you want to glance at it first.
shell hawk
We do have a page with a list by stats already
For both ships and equips
Admittedly the equips one is a bit broken but it's bring fixed
rain burrow
Aye, I used color grading on some of the tabs so I don't have to sort each column to see how ships stack up against other ships of their class. The wiki's incredibly useful, but I wanted the info in a format I liked more. No offense to the people who worked on the wiki, it's great stuff, I'm just picky.
I would offer to help on the wiki if possible, but I don't have any experience with the platform and I'm afraid I'd break things more than help đ
quaint stream
What is this?
left cliff
Candododo's sandbox, obviously
dunno, click the link and find out yourself what they're testing there
brazen trail
Sorry if I get this thing wrong, but someone just deleted all of the DD gun tables? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=List_of_Destroyer_Guns&action=history
Other guns and the torpedo list page is also gone
feral spruce
Looks like candododo didnt cancel a category tag correctly
noble stone
Equipment cargo table is rebuilding
fleet halo
umbral basalt
All tables here went empty/missing earlier today. Dunno if this is an official page or whatever but can't find my daily dose of stats.
gentle river
the tables were rebuilding but im not so sure about right now
fleet halo
ya all i can say is it is being rebuild but not eta yet
umbral basalt
I am not the only one that fawns over numbers and stats every 2 hours. ||Hopefully||
grand frost
Not sure if itâs widely known but Ryuujouâs questline is missing on Azur Lane wiki. If itâs already mentioned somewhere Iâm sorry
cinder willow
Added, however someone still has to upload the artwork for the questline for the Stories page.
gentle river
I have no idea who that is
royal summit
add this to the equipment page please
thick juniper
to be added eventually, thx for the mention 
fleet halo
lavish wraith
@fleet halo can we gib sheep @distant oasis wiki-role?
distant oasis
I am going to officially return 
been excluding myself from life matters as life struck me like a truck and war with... who was it again... I don't hold grudge long enough 
Can't just be like this forever
fleet halo
sure 
cinder willow
Is there a separate channel to discuss edits on the wiki?
hardy hull
wdym?
cinder willow
noble stone
hardy hull
ah, you can see it after Nozo gives you the role
cinder willow
I should have checked the past messages before asking, my bad
mellow matrix
I think someone screwed up the aa guns page
shell hawk
Almost all the pages are screwed lol
We are redoing up the cargo
Gurosebe is innocent
wet bison
Older versions still work, at least base stats should be in all equip pages if that's all you need
fleet halo
ya cargo still being rebuilded
gentle river
lmfao guro
shell crest
I just read the design tab section of the equipment page, and I still have no clue what I'm spending to create these parts. Am I just being really dumb right now?
shell hawk
This is probably a question for #gameplay-help @shell crest
It's already explained in the tutorial for the game
shell crest
Sweet as, figured there was a good chance I was being really dumb, thanks for the pointer
rugged charm
sorry but wasnt sirius skill buffed in the JP patch to 10% from 7%?
o nvm, forget i said anything
fleet halo
dry gulch
On Fiji's page, she's listed as a Fiji-Class (Which didn't exist), even though the link goes to the Crown-Colony-Class (Which is the correct designation). Same thing for Jamaica.
I mean i guess you could classify them with a subclass, but they should still have crown-colony-class somewhere
fleet halo
interesting, will update
feral spruce
The wiki likes to use made-up subclasseses because wikipedia likes to and the wiki tends to copy that over
cinder willow
Can I have the role for the chat, please
I'd like to discuss some changes that I'd like to make
gentle river
who is that!!
cinder willow
Someone
gentle river
is that your wiki user 
fleet halo
@cinder willow do you have a wiki account?
cinder willow
@fleet halo Yup
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/User:Jaywye
fleet halo
gave you the role
tough furnace
in the list of ships by image page all neptunia collab ships appear in the standard ship list and the entry for the neptunia collab ships is empty
wet bison
Neptunia ships started to appear there after moving to cargotables: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=List_of_Ships_by_Image&diff=prev&oldid=41934
fleet halo
thx for the feedback, we are currently looking into it
hoary charm
I suggest someone running pywikibot's touch.py script on all pages that transclude the cargo templates ( https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Special:CargoTables ), because that jobqueue looks like it's stuck D:
Job queue is currently at 14191 jobs: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=statistics
arctic violet
I fixed the Neptunia bug~
fleet halo
zenith fjord
either the game or wiki is wrong
shell hawk
@zenith fjord #known-bugs
zenith fjord
oups then mybad
fierce remnant
Issue: Omaha and Hermes are missing from drop table in Winter's Crown A-3 map https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Winter's_Crown_Rerun#A-3 ~Trap~
quaint stream
Looks like we will need an entry for Belette
gentle river
đ
noble stone
This is where a redirect would be fine
dry trench
Grenville's construction timer is wrong. Should be 25 mins, is listed 1h 25mins instead
next sorrel
is this correct on the wiki it is diffrent from in game
gentle river
what are you specifying here
if youâre talking about the skills
names for skills are translated from japanese
fleet halo
next sorrel
ok
in game its worldbuster boom on the wiki its cannon fire that marked the change of era
fleet halo
ya nearly all skill name on wiki is different as it is based on jp version and not en version
cinder willow
Should we keep them like that or change the names to the EN versions?
shell hawk
keep
hardy hull
do it 
gentle river
changing 2+ skill names for over 300 ships would be the biggest pain in the ass
and descriptions
fleet halo
also then it will be a corresponding issue
should we change the skin names, skill description, equipment names, etc
another issue is what to do with stuff that come out in jp 1st 
gentle river
^
bitter hornet
is there a way to see which retrofits are in EN? I swear you used to be able to see it before
left cliff
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers#Retrofits has a list of those we don't have yet
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Dockyard#List_of_Ships_for_Retrofit has the full list
bitter hornet
yeah but I thought I saw before on the first link it used to show ones that were currently in EN
gentle river
it never did
gentle river
I was gonna say nevermind im p sure it did
but I have better things to do than wait 15 seconds honestly..
wet bison
still a hassle when you don't have most retrofits and have to manually compare last 3 digits of ship IDs
reef lagoon
is there data of how many pts you have to collect for each event map during the minigame, to get the "full award"
how many points minimum to get full award
cinder willow
I'm not sure what the "full award" you're talking about is
hardy hull
After you get certain amount of points game gives you maximum possible reward which is the same as reward for beating that map's boss
spare tangle
What's happened to the BB gun section of the Wiki? There's only the Twin 381mm.
hardy hull
It's being rebuild iirc
fleet halo
toxic blaze
juz a feedback. WC-rerun event page for wiki states the build time for grenville is 1:25:00 when it should be 00:25:00
gentle river
no one really fixed that huh
ya its known but thanks anyways, guess no one changed it
safe quarry
Pretty sure its been fixed already
toxic blaze
oh my bad. i didn't refresh page. sorry
left cliff
lol
fleet halo
rugged trellis
The winters crown ships, Matsukaze, Kamikaze and Hatsushimo are still on the list of the EN server: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers#Ships
unkempt merlin
Missing the Sheffield ship story
reef lagoon
missing ryoujou's ship story
hardy hull
things take time to be translated and done and that's considering there're people willing to do it. just be patient
left cliff
@reef lagoon look up "patience" in a dictionary, thanks
reef lagoon
@left cliff <@&460646206851252224> wtf is this
hardy hull
I warned you about unnecessary pings
left cliff
The guy who transcribes character stories telling you to stop nagging, @reef lagoon
reef lagoon
i didnt nag
hardy hull
@left cliff also you should stop provoking as well probably
more friendly answer can be received better
shell hawk
I understand if you're unhappy that people are ungrateful and want you to work faster, but unfortunately that's just how it works. Be nice about it next time.
Regardless, blanket pinging the mods here is completely unnecessary.
fierce bramble
Why do I get notifications from prince of Wales and mod mentions wut
lavish wraith
u mod now
reef lagoon
can we have the "experience" data for C3 map since most people are farming there
rugged trellis
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Servers under Skins->EN Server Houshou|Autumn Dreams is still listed
also under Equipment the "Single 130mm (50 B13 Pattern 1936)" should also already be on EN Servers
left cliff
rugged trellis
since were already at adding xp values, on d2 the siren gives 760xp, boss 826xp, and 1 star fleets 546xp
rugged trellis
ok so hopefully this is the last one: on the Servers page under Ships/EN Server Hatsuharu (next monthly login reward) is still listed, while she is already in the collection tab ingame and listed on the patch notes
left cliff
I mean, technically we don't have her until in about a month ;)
calm ruin
Module:ShipList has a misspelling on Line 74. It's currently Batlecruiser instead of Battlecruiser
ashen spear
@calm ruin Fixed
slate plaza
the winters crown EN rewards are wrong for phase 4
Coins 190 > 235
gold blueprints should be 2/2/2/2 > 1/2/1/1
there should be 0 royal gourmets
slate plaza
i was comparing what we get vs jp and i was like wait a minute we don't get 2 destroyer gold prints
fleet halo
prime notch
Are there any plans to have event cutscenes(probably in transcript form) added to the wiki?
gentle river
there are no plans right now for that, but we do sometimes have secretary quests + dialogue
fleet halo
prime notch
@noble stone i mean if there is a way to include them in the wiki, that would be good. It would help with #al-lore since alot of people dont have every single cutscene for the events. Or if you dont want it on the wiki itself, make some kind of google doc or something and link to it on the wiki
modest forge
So I've noticed Purifier has her own page (although incomplete). Will the other sirens get their page as well or that page is just a test of some sort?
left cliff
just a test for now
modest forge
I see I see... Do hope I see other siren pages as well 
ashen spear
nods in agreement
fleet halo
prisma axle
I dunno if this belongs here, but... Isn't Ning-Hai's Page abit weird?
prisma axle
Ah, so this may be related to the individuals themselfs, huh?
Gimme a sec