I need to know how to read the table tbh
#wiki-feedback
pure jungle
pure jungle
Maybe a guide on reading retrofit tables in wiki?
since it might confuse some other players
or it could just be me
faint swan
Or simplify it
Oh i got an idea
The part that confused you was the double 1x part right?
limber stream
Ganbaru
thick juniper
editing the table directly might be confusing for me tho but at least give some feedback
pure jungle
hmm
faint swan
@thick juniper instead of using 1x/2x for the retrofit bps what about 1x,2x and 1x,1x then you can do smthing similar for the money costs too, some people dont know you need to upgrade that thing multiple times
faint swan
Because 1x/2x just looks like 1 or 2 bps
thick juniper
yeah
faint swan
Newcomers would be confused af
thick juniper
tho
faint swan
Newcomers= me
pure jungle
wiki says
fleet halo
so a , instead of / ?
faint swan
A comma might make it more clear
faint swan
Or maybe also put a big header note, that some require multiple upgradings
pure jungle
1+2+1+2+3+1+2 = 12
thick juniper
owh senpai nozo here
pure jungle
that is how i did it
thick juniper
color code would also be nice too
limber stream
addon the total number of item at the bottom?
fleet halo
hmm @thick juniper do u want to work on it?
i am a bit busy doing all the FW stuff rn 
faint swan
I feel bad for whoever needs to go edit all these now
thick juniper
@fleet halo i don't know how to edit that table
pure jungle
Yo guys is recurrence the times where how many times you do it?
magic hatch
Yes.
pure jungle
I think i know what my problem is now
fleet halo
o
pure jungle
Thanks for the help 😄
magic hatch
It's almost like reading the whole table would help...Not that your suggestions aren't good.
pure jungle
@fleet halo 
thanks for the hard work
yeah i was reading only a portion
not the whole table
faint swan
pure jungle
faint swan
oh wao thats blurry
pure jungle
that is my problem earlier
faint swan
snipping tool smh
pure jungle
nah I can see it clearly
thick juniper
@faint swan 
fleet halo
actually can edit the stuff on each page
but it will require some work 🤔
faint swan
sorry for the work
thick juniper
^^
faint swan
whew
fleet halo
let me see if there is a better version to write it out
maybe a total line at last
so ppl arent as confuse 🤔
pure jungle
Well now I know how to answer people who will have that problem in the future
pure jungle
faint swan
maybe recurrence isnt a good word to use?
limber stream
just add / at the line like CN wiki ?
faint swan
too advanced engrish
pure jungle
Well I didnt actually see the recurrence part as I was focusing on one portion of the table
My suggestion is this
1x/2x
1x
2x/3x
1x/2x
You see, the recurrence of the 1x is 2 right?
so I think make it 1x/1x
limber stream
^
pure jungle
so it will be
1x/2x
1x/1x
2x/3x
1x/2x
faint swan
1x, 2x
1x, 1x
2x, 3x
1x, 2x
pure jungle
yes
faint swan
or that
thick juniper
hmm remove recurrence entirely and like split the material into sections with 1st upgrade, 2nd upgrade
pure jungle
cause that confused me into oblivion
faint swan
that sounds like more work
pure jungle
yeah it is i know how wiki editing felt like
thick juniper
true
faint swan
oh jeez
thick juniper
u prob messed up a template
pure jungle
yeah
faint swan
i have a friend whose working on a wiki page for another fandom
its pretty tough work
thick juniper
volunteer for wiki @faint swan
pure jungle
Hmm well anyway, I will find more faults
thick juniper
xd
faint swan
i could
pure jungle
I cant wiki edit cause I forgot how
faint swan
i just cant do it regularly
pure jungle
I wanna volunteer but no knowledge
pure jungle
faint swan
im also not exactly that great at game knowledfe
limber stream
gonna record those skill barrage so peep can see how the skill barrage look like
tawny sinew
Like the changes done to the wiki. Good job!
wind radish
Hey guys. New here. I think this is where you put problems the wiki has right? So, im just leave my feedback here
Bombs charts in the dive planes and fighter planes pages are wrong. The tiers and damages are misplaced. Damage (`0) T0/3 is in reality Damage (Max) T2; and Damage (Max) T2 is Damage (+0) T0/3
fleet halo
@wind radish hmm can you be more specific and maybe an example?
wind radish
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Dive_Bombers
Bomb Chart.
Damage (+0) -> T2 = 63. T0/3 = 159
Damage (Max) -> T2 = 69. T0/3 = 173
It should be:
Damage (+0) -> T2 = 63. T0/3 = 69
Damage (Max) -> T2 = 159. T0/3 = 173
wind radish
Yes
Otherwise, the values on the equipment chart doesnt fit, and it would be a huuge difference betwen tiers
fleet halo
@wind radish fixed it for now, thanks for the input 
wind radish
@fleet halo Thank you!! Always happy to help
feral spruce
@short moss some of us are willing to take donations 
But no we are all working for free and no donation syatem of any kind is set up
quaint stream
also put a note that a duplicate of each ship (3 for sandy) is needed for retrofit on the wiki
i didnt know about that until i asked someone in this server
hardy hull
quaint stream
i mean for the other ship (as general)
shell hawk
Her own page also lists 3
quaint stream
like put it at the context
hardy hull
other ships don't need 3 copies
quaint stream
i know
but i didnt know any ship needed duplicate for retrofit either
until i was here
hardy hull
Oh, I see
quaint stream
so i figured there must be people out there didnt know too
magic hatch
We, actually had this discussion yesterday. The Wiki Team is aware of this idea and will implement it eventually. There's so few of them and so much work to be done that it'll probably be a little bit.
final geode
well it does mention it on the ships page itself from what they said yesterday
hardy hull
At least some text before the table might help, like "Note: Each retrofit requires copy of the ship or 1 bulin during the last upgrade"
quaint stream
^
fleet halo
ya will add a description on retrofit page for now
quaint stream
uhh will there ever be a ship drop list for this event?
vital topaz
We will update it as fast as we can
quaint stream
why are the wiki still using the old design
i got confused with maryland and the other girl
old ship design*
for fw event
vital topaz
@quaint stream you can purge your cache
scarlet grail
are you looking for screenshots of ships that drop in nodes to fill in the wiki or?
floral skiff
Where can we add to the ship drop table for a stage?
vital topaz
@scarlet grail @floral skiff we have the info, so not need.
floral skiff
Well, I have an A-1 drop not on the wiki page, unless it's not fully up-to-date
vital topaz
and as I said
we have the info
we arer working on it so
be patient, that's all pats
thick juniper
@vital topaz
regal wolf
will the wiki translate the jp/new cn lines for the colorados?
fleet halo
colorado is being work on for jp
as for cn dont think so
o
some already did cn lines
fleet halo
ya it wont get reworked i think
regal wolf
left cliff
if you speak Chinese, you're welcome to help :)
hard bridge
Wasp's ingame Limit break text differs from the wiki, wiki has All bombers +1, Ingame has Dive Bombers+1, I'll screenshot her loadout ingame as soon as she hits 30 and I can 2LB her
fleet halo
fixed thanks
hard bridge
I'm powerleveling wasp to check if there's any chance the ingame text is wrong
fleet halo
hmm i think whoever did it was just wrong before
i checked my jp game and cn wiki both say dive bomber also 🤔
hard bridge
Rip, She needs 9 planes 
fallen summit
Who working with event Ship Drop Table?
fleet halo
dont think anyone is doing it for now, maybe @vital topaz ?
o maybe @thick juniper is working on it also
fallen summit
Indi and Salt Lake drop from A3 and Claveland drop from A2, A1 drops Charles 😃
regal wolf
A2 drops helena too
fleet halo
thx for the info
i think we got the info just that no one free to update the page with it
regal wolf
event overall has great drops across the nodes, so updated page would be greatly appreciated
fallen summit
yeep
fleet halo
will try 
rocky dove
@fleet halo if no one else I can probably figure out how to update ship drops at least if the data is available, doesn't look as tricky as Equipment ones 
rocky dove
okie
dark sphinx
regal wolf
any time on when the updated lines for the colorados will be up?
limber stream
F4U fighter have addition ability now, need to update in note?
vital topaz
It's on its page already
quaint stream
i have a suggestion, it’d be nice if you guys make a guide on how to counter suicide boats as lots of newcomers are struggling with it. thanks in advance
mainly for the daily raid maritime attack
quaint stream
doesnt really guide on how
magic hatch
I mean, that's all there is to it. Pay attention to the arrows, use BB's with CL secondaries, don't be afraid to ram the fireboats with your vanguard. I think the only thing I would add is that BB's shoot really accurately on auto-mode and will actually hit fireboats with their main guns.
Is there anything else you would add or would like to know?
shell hawk
@languid egret Yeah we're still in the progress of updating, it's very time consuming though since there are a lot of items. We appreciate the feedback though, thank you!
Nah don't worry, we're slowly updating them in order from the drop table
left cliff
ah crap, I've opened almost 100 purple and gold boxes today, should have taken screens
iz dumb
pure prism
the new tables for equipment box contents on the equipment page look really nice and are more helpful
fleet halo
glad u like it 
quaint stream
Em, can anyone add a description of oath enterprise touch that she does refer to her eagle? 🦅
quaint stream
@pure prism which page?
quaint stream
when will u guys put the event plane’s equipment desc
naive cove
Excuse me, the page about fallen wings rerun does not have info in the "Boss kills to clear" section about D-3
left cliff
@naive cove have you cleared it? how many runs did it take?
pure prism
5 iirc
chrome scaffold
flat cargo
Interesting grammar for the Z23 CN Mail line
gentle river
limber stream
it seem different special touch line compare to CN & JP
gentle river
@limber stream not every version has the same text
actually that looks like a translation error with “haha, blushes”
river kernel
It's often hard to find out if ships have voicelines or not for specific skins, some which are missing. Is there a way you can say 'Yes, this skin has voice lines/expressions' even if there's not exact translations on what the lines are?
Even if it's also just a 'No Lines' one.
gentle river
@river kernel do you mean if they have a voice actor?
oh for skins
thats a good point 
river kernel
Well, I more mean if they have new lines and expressions. For example, the Kaga one only has Expressions at the moment, while Takao recieved voice lines. And I have no idea of the Takao school uniform has any new lines at all or is just a skin.
I dont want to bother people think it's a bug if it's just the way the skin was designed after all. (Maybe in the note Column or something?
quaint stream
Can't even load the page properly. Is the connection between VN and JP so bad?
quaint stream
"hyuga meaning"
quasi imp
kalk not specifying how to get
hardy hull
They're new, so their pages are work in progress most likely
quasi imp
kk
vital topaz
Nope
It's simple
North Carolina, West Virginia and Wasp are the only ships which you can obtain by drop in the event maps
Then again you can obtain North Carolina and Wasp from exchange gacha
Kalk is only obtained by gacha pool
rocky dove
ok should be updated for new/old fw girls 👌
last moss
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/b635125f9896c865fcd2b99c1a050c4f-png.jpg
https://i.gyazo.com/thumb/1200/096692cae78c8cf4238801c7b6385d54-png.jpg
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/506715571614646272/unknown.png
Z23 Retro lines on the wiki seem to be wrong
That would mean she could actually reach her modernisation and tactical learning nodes with just 7 gold BPs
left cliff
Correct
last moss
also yea the colour didn't see that lol
in fact it seems the colors on F and G should also be blue now that i look at it, but eh colors are whatever
left cliff
no, you're right - it even has the correct colours in the table
and the line between B and F is wrong, too
oh bloody hell, that graph is a mess
looks like someone just copied it from Laffey
flat cargo
👏
left cliff
ok, done
dawn veldt
thick juniper
Nice spot there. Skills can be trained regardless of commissions. Let me fix it.
Is done now.
flat cargo
gentle river
?
winter smelt
sturdy quartz
Benson available through build in EN version? It seem she never drop from light build
left cliff
I mean, Ping Hai is available throught light build, too, and I still haven't gotten her ¯_(ツ)_/¯
@winter smelt probably, but I don't speak Chinese, so I can't confirm the translation
Google only has "my sister" without name
left cliff
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Bailey_Questline does anyone remember what you had to do for the second step in the quest?
or doesn't have it started yet and can check for me
feral spruce
@left cliff chinese version has 100% made up fake names in it for all IJN ships. No matter how hard you look you wouldn't be able to tell.
you have to have a key
and the person reading it also needs the key
burnt oar
Yea that is correct and it's an inaccurate translation
If you look the two characters used for names in the picture are different as well
Well, if you read chinese you can tell its two different characters
rocky dove
@left cliff second is enhance ships 10 times
it looks to be the same as the generic secretary chain
@sturdy quartz she was login reward last month, may not yet be added to build since it was never mentioned in patch notes
left cliff
okay, wasn't sure if it was ships or gear
last moss
one of the game gurus got bailey from build and showed a screenshot of 2 baileys together, so she's in build too i guess
oh it wasn't a game guru, i saw wrong, but here
https://gyazo.com/bef53ae7b967fc78ec2e85a02c4f0334
zenith sentinel
is there any plan on adding voice lines to the wiki for the ships?
shell hawk
Which ships?
zenith sentinel
every one which has voice lines
shell hawk
Pretty sure they most of them have them
zenith sentinel
what the
shell hawk
Check Japanese voice lines
zenith sentinel
do you mean the audio files?
shell hawk
Yes they're there already
hardy hull
(Akashi's special touch) correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Akashi talks about herself here?
that's what cn refers to too
hardy hull
Well, game might be wrong, that's why I'm checking
That's actually why I noticed - someone reported this line being wrong because "it's the other way on wiki"
on the other hand - people trust wiki more, than actual in-game translation, so that's really good compliment to your work, guys 
gentle river
jp could be different
I am no translator though
such as speech being modified in each game region
hardy hull
It usually is, but here it's almost the same unless I'm missing something
so I'm making sure
half nexus
Wiki description of this skill is unclear. In the game it says that all buffs duration is 16 seconds, while in the wiki only the speed and recover part is.
shell hawk
As far as i'm aware, that is the correct japanese TL for it
If anything it's the game that's unclear, cos from what i observe she still flashes blue (i.e defense buff) after the 16 sec duration ends
half nexus
should I write it somewhere so devs know?
shell hawk
Lemme just confirm again with different sources
fleet halo
hard bridge
Can you update the skill page on the wiki to reflect that command skills with different prefixes that buff the same stat will stack, IE. Tactical command - cruisers(liepzig) will stack with Artillery Command - Cruisers(leander/wichita/etc)
modern fable
shell hawk
Yes what's wrong?
thick juniper
u mean u don't want background color on the text one?
shell hawk
@modern fable explanation please?
modern fable
You get it for clearing EX and not D3 right?
modern fable
Gotcha 
spiral kelp
@modern fable if it was ex i think only legends will have it
Have your tried it? Its super hard
modern fable
I did EX first try
flat cargo
Yeh
flat cargo
left cliff
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Maryland does the wiki have the numbers for Fighting Mary the wrong way around or the EN game?
wiki says 70% hp, 30% more damage, game has it the other way around
hardy hull
can you report it via the form?
I'm pretty sure game is wrong here
Actually, I'll just add it myself, that would be faster
left cliff
ok
hardy hull
Game even misses part about it depending on how low her hp is
thick juniper
Added @cobalt tulip
cobalt tulip
left cliff
seriously, guys, if you want me to get pissed at you, post a screenshot and a link without any further comment
if you want me to like you, tell exactly what the problem is
kthxbye
slim charm
king George the 5th is losing it
thick juniper
slim charm
fleet halo
thick juniper
well the pic is quite obvious
slim charm
left cliff
how the fuck is drawing question marks on a screenshot obvious?
slim charm
Uhh, I think he/she means that there's missing some characters.
Nelson's Halloween skin, I don't see her skin.
magic hatch
I mean, I understood it. But that kind of editing goes beyond my abilities.
slim charm
Ayanami's, Terror's and Nelson's halloween skin are missing.
gentle river
to me it wad obvious the skins were missing
slim charm
That's everyone that's missing, I think.
thick juniper
Not aya’s
slim charm
Oh
thick juniper
Bailey and isuzu
gentle river
but I woke up, saw this, went back to sleep
slim charm
I mean Isuzy*
thick juniper
And the two j mentioned
slim charm
Isuzu
thick juniper
@gentle river
slim charm
Oh yeah, Bailey too.
gentle river
im helpful!
fleet halo
same
thick juniper
nozo did a typo i saw in other feedmack channel
magic hatch
Typo.
slim charm
!
vital topaz
@left cliff Try to chill out a bit.
hardy hull
was it trading? 
gentle river
it was making nations for smaller things like british australian ships u know
at least I think so
unique pilot
I think Enterprise's evasion stat is maybe missing a 1 in front.
Ent does have B evasion, I checked in game, so I assume it's probably meant to be 149
magic hatch
Nah, the letter rank is based on ship type. Enterprise is a Fleet Carrier (CV). 49 Evasion is really good for large ship.
unique pilot
ah, ok, my bad then. Sorry for the time waste.
last moss
DD : Laffey > Z23 > Javelin > Cygnet > Fortune > Hammann > N/A
CL : Leander > Abukuma > Ajax > N/A
CA : Suffolk > Furutaka/Kako
BB/C : Yamashiro/Fusou (DO NOT TAKE LAST NODE)
CV/L : Ranger > Shouhou > Bogue > Langley > Long Island > N/A```
the note for yamafusou should say either "DO NOT TAKE THE SECOND LAST NODE" or specify "modernization", since technically it is not the last node, as brought to notice by @left cliff@unique pilot also it should be noted the letter stats are utter garbage and have almost no bearing on the actual ability of the ship
shell hawk
What you said shouldn't be here per say, but I'll bring it up to wis anyways @last moss
scarlet grail
https://i.imgur.com/wp9mJ4j.jpg i take it this is a mistake unless something changes in the CN/JP versions of the game
but it should be 6 purps
hard leaf
HDN Neptune Chibi still missing
light sorrel
@scarlet grail I fixed that.
scarlet grail
thanks you
left cliff
@scarlet grail whatever ship that is, can't tell ¯_(ツ)_/¯
scarlet grail
Langly but its fixed now
fleet halo
is langley from icon
gentle river
from limit break icon
left cliff
please think of people who don't have 50/20 vision
gentle river
I mean I just zoomed in
left cliff
(I prefer a link to the site in question and "thing X should be Y")
gentle river
I mean thats how it should be rather than “go figure”
left cliff
I still see just a splotch when zooming in
last moss
@shell hawk oh yeah my bad, forgot that's part of tier guide and not the wiki
light sorrel
It's already fixed, why even bother to discuss this anyways.
winter siren
The image Dead inside sent, you can see langley's pic in it(modernization related to retrofit). FYI People often give information not so specificly sometimes and you need to deal with it and start asking what is it. If you felt like hot headed all the time just let anyone willing to answer it with a cold head.
quaint stream
is implementing live 2d on wiki possible
shell hawk
Nope.
quaint stream
how about link the live 2d to other website that shows the gif?
also tell which ship has live2d and background skin
i never knew denkurque got live 2d even though i saw her skin in wiki
shell hawk
There is a list though, and you can tell from the wiki page
@fleet halo someone asking if it's possible to upload the live 2d elsewhere and link it to wiki
@quaint stream
fleet halo
tbh wiki host is really strict on outward links so probably not
left cliff
@light sorrel so you make better requests the next time?
feral spruce
It can probably be done I'll look into it
External l2d is easier to convince than on the wiki
light sorrel
@left cliff I already had fixed the issue, so I don't see any point in discussing it further.
@feral spruce
For L2D 100% guarantee you that we'd need proprietary software, which is expensive.
Same for animated chibis. I have tried already.
gentle river
feral spruce
@light sorrel you'd have to ask rene but i think you are correct
light sorrel
I've checked, pretty much everything lead to the same propietary software.
And I doubt you'd be allowed to implement that on the wiki anyways
gentle river
prolly not
rustic coral
maybe a prerendered live2d idle animation gif? since full live2d is out of the question
same for chibis, just a looping idle animation? 
quiet birch
the lines for purple heart is missing or is this intended? Also should i be sending this here or is there anywhere i should be sending these kind of things too?
light sorrel
GIF is low quality, unless you want a high quality GIF which is quite a few MB
Which won't suit well with mobile users
or data capped people
rustic coral
good point 
winter siren
@quiet birch Not missing just someone hasn't worked on it and you shouldn't sending anything regarding it because wiki team noticed untranslated ships and will be worked on soon by someone that can translate it.(that someone is very busy he/she will work on it if they've free time).
quiet birch
I see
analog comet
mint heron
i'd like to suggest to put out the total fleets in the subchapters
easy to know how many fleets needed for "defeat all enemies" task
vital topaz
Uh.
fleet halo
left cliff
I ... don't really see the point
you kill until the boss spawns, and then you kill all that are still on the field before doing the boss
because the boss is the last spawn
winter siren
Unnecessary suggestion. If you got the meaning of the words itself then you should understand what it meant.
gentle river
thats not what they mean
they just mean how many instances of that map you have to do to eventually finish it for the all enemies
but it is a bit useless
left cliff
"Kill all enemies" means a full wipe in one run
And how many runs you need for "sink x fleets" depends if you do full or minimum runs
gentle river
right I read that wrong
thick juniper
@shell hawk go ahead lol
mint heron
@gentle river @left cliff @winter siren mind explaining why it's unnecessary/useless? it's really helpful for newbies who wanted to 3 star the map because they'll need to know how tanky their fleet must be to accomplish that task because each fleet can only hold 5 ammo
like i'll need to defeat all enemies that only have 6 fleets i can save some oil using less tanky fleets, but if the map has like 14 fleets, ill need to use a better one
hardy hull
you don't have to do it on your first try because you need to clear multiple times anyway, so you can see for yourself after clearing it once
mint heron
well sure but isnt that a nuisance
its better to accomplish the defeat all enemies task and then bother about clearing it multiple times
hardy hull
it doesn't matter in which order it happens, you can clear it once first
fair frigate
isn't that like part of the gameplay
where's the thrill if everything's fed to you by the game
left cliff
*wiki, but yeah
mint heron
then i can question the existence of this wiki
and it's user preferenance, you don't have to "force" that thrill
wiki exists to ease mind and know the mechanics and nature of the game
well okay thank you for even taking concern on my suggestion
hardy hull
it's a lot of work someone would have to put in for a minimal payback
shell hawk
and in any case
mint heron
i can do the datamining if my data will be confirmed to be inserted in the wiki
shell hawk
there are re-occurring patterns
most of the later worlds have 11 enemies at the very least
left cliff
the thing about the full clear is: you do it exactly once per map, and that's it - there's no incentive to go back and do it again
shell hawk
i guess you could just let the boss spawn on every map and count all the fleets left
but then again, so can the player -_-
left cliff
yeah
and for calculating how much ammo you'll need, it's not helpful info either, because you can have bad luck and fail on multiple evasions
shell hawk
or get some from a surprise node
vital topaz
@gentle river @left cliff @mint heron I'd like to suggest y'all go to x chapter, then to x map and check as well.
mint heron
@vital topaz wdym? for what?
left cliff
@vital topaz what @mint heron is suggesting (at least to my understanding), is to put the exact number behind "Sink all Fleets on the map"
winter siren
If you mean about that if you have 2 fleets that total 10 ammunitions and the enemies fleet total 12 including the boss why should we input into the map. There someone had said about this but turn down too it was before EN released
mint heron
yes thats what i meant
why? because we need to know how tanky our finished-ammo-fleet should be
like there's difference of finishing 1 fleet without ammo and finishing 5 fleet without ammo
shell hawk
To be fair, i think the only maps that even need you to 0 ammo are 6-3, 7-3 (for EN at least)
Can't rmb if 8-3 needs due to there being an ammo node
And every B3/D3 event map
vital topaz
Stills an unnecessary suggestion
winter siren
Suggestion for you is to be well prepared, as you only need to clear it once for that task like not every run you need to take for it
thick juniper
treasure fleets that spawn in ? nodes adds up to the amount of fleets to kill for full clear too
left cliff
@shell hawk IIRC 8-3 throws so many fleets at you, you'll still end up dry despite the ammo node
loud plank
I'm not sure if they updated the graphics or something, but the Prinz Eugen swimsuit art in game and the "banner" on the category:skins page have her skin considerably darker than the ones on her page. The one on her page looks really pale. I can't send comparison because of Clyde ;-;
fair frigate
it's because she got a pretty dark tan after playing with Wales all day
but yeah I think eugen's skin in the wiki was already mentioned before
thick juniper
@wild sinew check?
agile hull
May want to doublecheck Atago's build availability, she's listed for both Aviation/Special and Heavy
shell hawk
That is correct for the non-EN servers
agile hull
huh, righto. o_o Someone said I should ask about it here, my bad.
shell hawk
Probably should put a note of her being limited on EN tho
agile hull
Thought she was heavy only in CP/JN
I think I had misunderstood what people were saying 😅
shell hawk
As with the cranes and pow etc.
agile hull
Yeh.
shell hawk
Thanks for the clarification anyways
agile hull
o7
Could possibly do a thing where you put an asterisk next to the check and add a thing where there's a blurb about the event they came from and just 'Will be added to permanent build pool in EN at a later date.'
Maybe.
or that, my bad, disregard
light sorrel
@shell hawk Forgot to add KR too.
shell hawk
Derpy me it's 5am 👀
shell hawk
I have updated for the Z Force Event ships, I'll upgrade the vidr ones later
Thanks anyways
I needa sleep
austere arch
On North Carolina's wiki page:
Both of those links go to the same page
the rerun link should go here: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Fallen_Wings_Rerun
Actually, I just checked, and Washington's page and MInneapolis's page also have the same errors
Minneapolis's page only says she's available in Fallen Wings Rerun (which is correct), but the link leads to the original Fallen Wings event page
shell hawk
I got the feeling this came around due to the FW Rerun page not being up when we made those pages
shell hawk
@austere arch Fixed all the affected ships, namely North Carolina, Washington, Minneapolis, Wasp, Hobby, Kalk
Thank you for the feedback!
@agile hull Updated for all Z-Force and Visitors in Dyed Red ships
Thank you for the feedback
quaint stream
8
agile hull
hard leaf
javelin page is bugged or is my browser?
shell hawk
browser
hardy hull
I already brought it up at some point (actually it was first feedback/suggestion in this channel ), but it was ignored, so I'll ask again - is it possible to somehow show what each column means when scrolling down either by keeping header or by showing the name when hovering? Makes it really hard to use.
And in the same theme - can these be explained somehow when hovering?
Or at the very least - put into Legend. Which is there. And irrelevant.
(I'm not specifying page because all the lists are like this)
left cliff
@hard leaf that looks like mobile page on desktop browser
fleet halo
@hardy hull tbh not sure if anyone is available to do it 
hardy hull
ah, too bad
well, regardless, feedback is here, I hope someone would be able to do it at some point
fleet halo
me 2 
rustic coral
@hard leaf that happened to me once, there's a link at the bottom of the page to go back to desktop view to fix it
flat cargo
This is a low priority thing for the History section on the North Carolina page, but there should be a comma in between these two words.
fleet halo
fixed
flat cargo
fleet halo
pure jungle
Hmm image didnt load
I should crop this to make it more visible
"might rushing game contents" should either be "might rush game contents" or "might be rushing game contents"
fleet halo
fixed
pure jungle
Hmm also maybe the "Player might be..." part should be "Players might be..." and a comma instead of a dot at the "non-stop events. So please keep in mind..." part
wild sinew
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Ship_Drop_Table#Drop-Only_Ships_by_Map
Can we have borders for the Drop-Only Ships by Map table similar to All Ship Drops by Map?
Because I think Inazuma and Ikazuchi in w6 will confuse someone
pure jungle
A fix of the images for mobile will be a good help
shell hawk
@thick juniper you were making a new template for this right
wild sinew
What about my note above 
shell hawk
I have a report due tomorrow
thick juniper
@wild sinew u can ask @arctic violet for that he handles that template
I mean page
analog comet
I'm generally don't like to cause a fuss, but the changes to Servers#Server_Differences has rendered this section unusable. It is now impossible to Ctrl-F search for a particular ship or item you are interested in. Moreover, most players, I would wager, do not have an encyclopedic knowledge of what each girl or equipment piece looks like, particularly if they are new arrivals to the game from the EN server. Thus, it isn't possible to know what you're looking at at a glance, and having to mouse over every individual image and then try to remember each popup is both tedious and an exercise in futility. This section now serves no purpose, as it is quicker to look up the individual entry for a girl or piece of equipment and then cross-reference that with whether the event or chapter it hails from has been added to EN yet or not than it is to slowly mouse over every individual ship girl yet to hit EN. Thus, I feel it should be either reverted, or simply deleted in its entirety. CaptainTrek (talk) 23:08 (AEST)
First of all, thanks for the feedback due to changes in server differences template. I was meaning to ask this in en-gen on the other discord but couldn't find a good time. I actually want to DM you regarding my response and have a discussion but I can’t find you anywhere. No koumakan account and no discord id either (or at least your discord id is different from what you use on your feedback). So, I'm just assuming you'd be here since you talk from EN player perspective
Well now, let me response to your feedback. The general idea of having server differences is to let prospective or soon-to-be player knows how much differences there are between the four servers before they’d finally choose a server to play in. I mean that’s the reason it’s in tutorial tab and right before Getting Started. The “CTRL+F” or find on page thing is, imo, irrelevant as they don’t even know what to looking for. I’m not even sure any player would do that on server differences page since, most of the time, they’d just search ‘ship name’ and go to their individual page directly and see if it’s available in their server. I’m aware that many new player would come visit that page every so often. But then again, I kinda doubt they’d bother to “CTRL+F” one certain ship in that page instead of visit their respective page with so much more info. Yes, I’m only talking about ship as it is more popular search than an equipment is. Tho, you can still do “CTRL+F” on mobile
I do agree it would be easier for player to just visit event page and see what’s the stuff come with them and so you have missing event tab on that page even tho it’s not completed yet. Yeah, I’ll do it when I have time or someone willingly to do it 
That all being said, I’d still consider to bring the name of ship and equipment back as we’ve changed the normal tab to collapsible tab so it’s no more pain in the ass to scroll that page. But definitely not in the near time as we need to figure a new template or more like only itsfyh since idk how to do it. I won’t use the old template as it is just a complete mess up especially on mobile
Oh shit, this is more than enough to qualify as an essay
earnest zodiac
wide cobalt
I thought it was the B7A and A7M that were under development and the A6M5 and D4Y1 were already ready at the time of her commissioning though?
fleet halo
hmm let me find a history expert to answer u 
wide cobalt
Well, according to my research the two mentioned on the wiki page were already at the time of Taihou's commission meanwhile the B7A and A7M weren't.
latent prawn
9-3 node map on wiki doesnt mark the spawn on G6.
vital topaz
alright
somber wasp
@wide cobalt My mistake, that was Taihou's air unit on 1944. I don't remember why i wrote that
Should be fixed now
wide cobalt
Thanks!
mint heron
is the format for equipment guide change or is it only me
shell hawk
@mint heron it changed quite some time back
mint heron
i see.. like a week ago?
shell hawk
@thick juniper
tough furnace
is jintsuu page broken? because i cannot see her skins at all and the text is way too big compared to the other pages
hardy hull
It's just mobile for some reason? Scroll down and choose desktop.
tough furnace
oh ok didn't notice that. dunno why it was mobile tho
hardy hull
Was for me as well when I opened it.
thick juniper
@mint heron it was changed on nov 10th
glad heron
on the wiki, laffey's tactical ability is called termination mode. In game it is called vanquish mode.
fleet halo
most if not all ability on wiki is base on the jp version as they release it first
glad heron
ahh ok, thought it may have been an old translation that was not changed or something
wild sinew
oxy torp on wiki has tech level listed as T4, T5, T6
while on EN rainbow torpedo is T3
Not sure if it's typo or EN server gimmicks
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Type_93_Pure_Oxygen_Torpedo#Type 3
analog comet
The mistake is on wiki, fixed now
quaint stream
how come on the wikia i can't find a place to read the official eng lines from ship?
shell hawk
cos it's wikia
we're not wikia team
we run the koumakan wiki
and even then
while we don't have the english lines
it's more or less the same as the japanese lines
hardy hull
Actually from what I've noticed it's moslty based on CN, but yea, idea is the same.
Also official eng lines are not ideal and have a lot of errors, be it translation wise or just typos.
No reason to add those yet.
fair frigate
uh minor typo
However, her men her able to patch her up an sail her back for repairs.
magic hatch
Fixed.
real hollow
I'm looking at the Glossary but I don't see anything for the definition/use of the term "Whale/Whaling". I'm very VERY confused by this term right now.
gentle river
whale: person who spends tons of money on the game
whaling: spending tons of money on the game
why ask in #wiki-feedback though?
real hollow
Because it's not in the Glossary and I would imagine it to be
That's why I was saying I couldn't find something fairly commonly used in the community there. Sorry for any confusion.
gentle river
I see my bad
real hollow
We're human, it happens. Thank you.
thick juniper
There was originally an extensive list for the glossary which i added but was cut down cuz the wiki host was kinda strict about it and is mostly restricted to terms only found in game only so :3
analog comet
It's a widely used gaming term
Not limited to or born from AL community
You could find it's meaning easily on google, so maybe better google it first next time
wild sinew
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/San_Diego
Sandy should have DD/CL Main Guns as the rest of the Atlanta class
wild sinew
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Live2D
Atago's Midsummer March skin isn't mentioned in Live2D category
fleet halo
@wild sinew fixed thanks 
hardy hull
Not sure how exactly it works, but can you make so searching "Missions" would redirect you to this page? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Task
Since it's called "Missions" in EN
Also, while I understand that you don't want to put list of retrofits available on EN to the... "Retrofit" page (no idea why, but sure, w\e), but can there at least be a note before the table about "List of Retrofits available on different servers can be found here" with a link to Servers page?
thick juniper
Missions added
hardy hull
thx 
last moss
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Ships_by_Stats
Idk if this has been discussed before or not, but in this page wouldn't it be better if the retroffited ships were listed in their base classes? Like having both Laffey and Laffey Variant in the DD list.
Since it's a page specifically to compare ship stats, it seems out of place for all the retrofitted ships to be in the same, separate list while not having them be in their base classes.
last moss
Could just have both lists, like a separate retro list like it is right now and the other one
shell hawk
The templates
fleet halo
technical difficulties not much can be changed
last moss
Might I ask what difficulties
fleet halo
since the page is auto generated from using cargo on ship page
last moss
so having two different sets of data being fetched from the same page, for the same table is the problem?
fleet halo
hmm yes
let me explain a bit more
so lets say DD table i want all ships that have retrofit be updated with retrofit stat
the cargo cant auto do that
last moss
i see
fleet halo
it would require us to actually type out all DD info then switch them manually afterward
last moss
i understand
so uh, i doubt this is possible but still wondering in case it is
is it possible to double sort a table? like sorting the retrofit table first by ship class (bb, dd, cv etc etc) and then by stats so it retains the first sort
so it would be easier to compare like that at least
fleet halo
let me get back to you but i dont think mediawiki support double sort
last moss
sure, yeah i think the chances are slim but would be awesome if its possible, thanks
thick juniper
rip cargo
hexed kite
is it possible for the list of ships by stats page to add in efficiency and Number of Planes (for carriers) so we can sort the table by those values?
willow lark
uh
there already is doublesort
@fleet halo
QUADSORT
press shift and click on a column you want to sort by to add columns in the priority list for sorting
@last moss
fleet halo
o nice 
last moss
Oh sweet, cheers @willow lark
arctic violet
I'll just make another stats page with efficiencies and another with plane formations
Retrofits and Collab could be fit together, but I felt repeating data is redundant
It's also not efficient to list every single possible ship parameter on one page, spreadsheets would be your friend 
@last moss
willow lark
hm
I could probably write a JavaScript thing combined with a Lua script to make a table that includes columns to one's liking
I'll see what I can do, if I ever have the drive to work on it
arctic violet
No JS
fleet halo
ya rip
wild sinew
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Choukai
Choukai somehow has level 120 stats listed by default.
For the most ships it level 100 stats on page open and you need additional click to see level 120 stats
toxic crown
Currently, the skins of Takao have been removed from her page for some reason? https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Takao
gentle river
how come the 2nd default is past the sakura hanami
fleet halo
wedding skin always come first for all ships 
slender temple
Hey, can I ask how come the JP/CN update notes hasn't been updated
since Concord update now even.
slender temple
The wiki
is for all version
Last I checked EN isn't even listed on the homepage.
true shoal
The wiki should add that Indianapolis drops in SP1
left cliff
done
vital topaz
@slender temple Because I have been busy about putting the patch notes in the wiki, besides not even a single CN translator wants to translate CN ones, and EN isn't listed yet, If you mean by the beta page, that what just a dream which is still WIP.
left cliff
<-- doesn't speak Chinese or Japanese, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯
wheat slate
Hopefully some of you have time to update the wiki
vital topaz
@left cliff You don't even need to know it
suggest you to change your attitude
I'll do CN notes later, since it's the same as JP
left cliff
if it's an attitude problem that I don't like to throw half-baked machine translations on the wiki, then it's one I'm happy to have
vital topaz
It's not the first time
half nexus
A section for background of skins would be awesome, because I can't find it anywhere. Would be cool to know how the background looks like before buying the skin 😃
thick juniper
Hmm
I could implement that feature but it may take awhile since need to find the backgrounds for it
@finite orbit nice feedback tho i might consider it
analog comet
I mean, don't you alr planned to implement it?
thick juniper
Well only the icons
But well i might make it more useful :3
Tho it will add another argument
For the template
flat cargo
Ahh geez, this grammar on the portland page
Portland saw many action during WWII, including screening force at Coral Sea and Midway, shore bombardment at various naval invasion, and surface combatant at surigao strait. This make her earn 16 battle stars, one of the most decorated ships in the U.S. fleet.
My proposed edit:
Portland saw much action during WWII, being a part of the screening force at Coral Sea and Midway, bombarding shores during various amphibious invasions, and taking part in the surface combat at Surigao Strait. Her eventful career earned her 16 battle stars, causing her to be one of the most decorated ships of the WWII-era U.S. fleet.
gentle river
jesus christ
flat cargo
I can toss out the list of grammar problems if you want me to
gentle river
we do have memers...
I think it is fine
someone once wrote Super Loli and Loli instead of Bulin :/
gentle river
you do not mind if your edit is added in place?
flat cargo
I don't mind.
gentle river
will change
shell hawk
We greatly appreciate the help nonetheless
Thank you!
finite orbit
<@&474660785050615808> <@&484205160734916618> does aviation fleets not appear on world 6-9? if so it should be stated on the wiki since it'll help lots of people
sorry for the ping
gentle river
probably didnt need to ping since wiki members generally see this anyways
gentle river
I was about to ask if you meant 6-1 because thats generally how the nodes are
noble stone
What...
finite orbit
6-1? aviation doesnt appear
gentle river
w6-w9 they are asking if aircraft carriers appear I think jif
finite orbit
yes
gentle river
I think we had a discussion on this once
finite orbit
who
gentle river
not with you
with someone else, and it was confirmed one map does not
it ties in with the story/history I believe
gentle river
right
I cant read jp so I dont know the names of the nodes havent got that far in en, and since you pinged the staff eventually they will come with the answer
but I can swear this was brought up once elsewhere
noble stone
It’s kind of outside the scope of our work to investigate claims about game mechanics
fleet halo
@finite orbit yes w6-9 dont have cv nodes
flat cargo
eHP means Effective Health Pool. eHP is the theoretical effective health pool a ship has. That is, if there is a ship that can dodge 50% of the time and has 2000 HP, another ship that dodges 0% of the time and has 4000 HP will have the same survivability on average. The eHP in the formula refers to the target's eHP.
In the example of a 50% dodge chance and 2000HP being 4000eHP, it seems as if 4000=(1/.50)x2000. This being the case, wouldn't the eHP formula be eHP=1/(Probability)*HP?
gentle river
willow lark
lmao where is that
flat cargo
Combat page
willow lark
kms
flat cargo
Evasion and Accuracy section
thick juniper
@flat cargo oh ya @modern bronze provided that formula
flat cargo
Huh.
modern bronze
Nah Maj is right, I just forgot about Base eHP when I wrote it
fleet halo
willow lark
base ehp is a contradiction I think
modern bronze
@willow lark A typo I made. 
Also the end-of-screen damage formula on the wiki isn’t fully complete. I’ll get the full formula when I get back to my dorm. 
willow lark
if you need any help just ask
fleet halo
modern bronze
Here is the complete End-of-Screen formula. I had to break it into pieces, but it should fit in a complete form on the wiki page.
thick juniper
👍🏼
flat cargo
Arizona Page
"Tears of Arizona" referring to the oil that still leaking from the wreck of Arizona even after years has passed
Should be something like:
"Tears of Arizona" refers to the oil that still leaks from the wreck of the Arizona, even after years have passed.
Or maybe if I were to change up a few words:
The term "Tears of Arizona" refers to the oil that continues to leak from the wreck of the Arizona, even after decades have passed.
And there's also this:
After the attack on Pearl Harbor, several sailors abroad Arizona received medals for their action. Approximately half of the lives of her crew lost during the attack
After the attack on Pearl Harbor, several sailors aboard the Arizona received awards for their actions. Approximately half of her crew lost their lives during the attack.
For more of the history of the ship that was at the core of the "day which will live in infamy," refer to her wikipedia page.
"Day which will live in infamy" is a misquote of the FDR Infamy Speech. It should be "Date which will live will live in infamy."
magic hatch
It would appear the person what was helping me with these references didn't have the best of grammar. I'm going to have to look over the ships they did...
flat cargo
Lol. Might as well slap on a grammar test as a part of the wiki team application to avoid this kinda stuff
willow lark
@magic hatch if you could make a list I could help go over it as well
gentle river
I can as well
flat cargo
Well, I'll leave y'all to your wiki team stuff. I'll throw another edit down here if I find something questionable.
willow lark
thanks maj
magic hatch
They basically stuck to any ship that's really well known. I know Enterprise was one they did, as was Portland and her sister. Otherwise I don't know specifically which ones they did. They didn't do many before disappearing.
And this isn't to say my grammar is perfect either. I've had people here point out my own mistakes once or twice.
flat cargo
I noticed some of the errors on the Arizona page were fixed, but some ("abroad" on her secretary line notes should be "aboard" and "day which will live in infamy" on her history section should be "date which will live in infamy") errors were not addressed. Just throwing that out there.
bleak monolith
@flat cargo I did the Arizona history page, among others. Thanks for making me aware of these mistakes. Always nice to have someone proofread what you wrote when I obviously missed the mistake myself.
fleet halo
wild sinew
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Newcastle
newcastle's skill is named Artillery Command - Escorts. Seems like typo.
As far as I understand this is the same skill London has and should also be in the same row in the skills table
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Skills
fleet halo
fixed thanks
wild sinew
Not the skills table
fleet halo
skill table is cargo which is auto generated
got to wait a while for the server to notice the change and update it by itself
thick juniper
Cargo is complicated
gentle river
yes it is sometimes
quaint stream
Is there list of ships by artist?
gentle river
p sure someone was working on it then they dipped
analog comet
What is this 'slow mode is enabled' thingy 
fair frigate
@analog comet #server-news
analog comet
I see
wild sinew
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Takao
Takao has her barrage called All Out Assault instead of Full Barrage like any other vanguard ship.
That causes separate entry for the skill in skills table )
left cliff
technically, the other ships are wrong, though
also, Full Barrage doesn't have a row in https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Skills for some reason?
wild sinew
my point is takao's barrage is named differently and as a result shows in skills page
I don't see the reason for this
vital topaz
@heavy fractal also, might disable slowmode here ?
wild sinew
left cliff
Navi, because reasons, I guess
@vital topaz blargh, I had just started to rename it on the ship pages to be in line with EN
wild sinew
also
heavy fractal
So it’s to encourage well thought out feedback from you all.
My answer is no.
Unless it is necessary. Then I’ll bring it up for discussion
vital topaz
@left cliff just rename Takao's barrage as "Full Barrage"
left cliff
uuh ... is that correct that Agano has "Artillery Command - Destroyer" despite being CL?
hardy hull
Abukuma has Torpedo Command - DD as well, despite being CL, so why not?
left cliff
@vital topaz should I rename Takao's Double Torpedo to Chain Torpedo then, too?
wild sinew
I can say that Takao's second skill is the same as Furutaka\Kako and it's called Double Torpedo in EN client and Chain Torpedo on wiki
left cliff
everyone but her has it as Chain Torpedo
vital topaz
@left cliff Chain Torpedo
left cliff
already done :D
wild sinew
Thank you for your hard work
left cliff
also cleaned up the naming of the various command skills
vital topaz
Which ones
left cliff
like, we had "... Command - Destroyer", "... Command - Destroyers", and even "... Command - DD"
@vital topaz basically, check the changelog - I made it so all are full type name and singular
hardy hull
Kirishima's BG doesn't work on Skins page
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Skins
vital topaz
@thick juniper
hardy hull
Same for I-19 and 26
And Spee 
I think you should just re-check those yourself at this point
hardy hull
I did it anyway because I was looking at BGs anyway, and the only other is Monarch
analog comet
She does now
flat cargo
@quaint stream Closest thing to a decent ship list by artist:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1TWNx6OMLllwXprMJh3euGJ3ryMOvwNDtbn9iqtno5Hw/edit?usp=drivesdk
quaint stream
thank you
flat cargo
I would love to see a ship list by artist implemented, but for now, I'll have to satisfy myself with my simple google sheet thing 
fleet halo
fleet halo
i had several ppl working on it at different time and they all went awol
willow lark
no one saw anything
fleet halo
the person that handle our wiki cargo is looking into it now
so it might be done within the week? 🤔
willow lark
it's lua if you were interested; it'll be implemented then placed into a template or directly onto some "List of Ships by Artist" page, specifically by using a #invoke tag
flat cargo
What held back the list from being implemented before if this "cargo" could have been used? (I'm assuming using cargo is more time efficient)
willow lark
Uh there's a decent chunk of code that has to be written
as the whole wiki table has to be generated using lua
otherwise you'd have a lot of copy pasting and editing of copy pastes to do
fleet halo
also my main concern without cargo is the regular updates
flat cargo
Ah. I'm guessing after it's implemented, everything will be automatic?
fleet halo
ya it will auto update with new info after a while (around 24 hr ) after we update the ship page
wild sinew
What about list of ships available on EN,btw? Deemed unnecessary?
Last time I asked I been told that servers page under reconstruction and adding it back is being considered.
fleet halo
ahh so u want an available in EN for this page?
wild sinew
yes, it was there. Earlier.
We had some inquires about that info in #gameplay-help. But very rare I must say =_=
flat cargo
While I was creating that google doc, I noticed sometimes that the ships which had the same artist had pages with different artist names listed because the same artist had different names. Wouldn't the code list the ships under different artists then?
willow lark
it’ll just put them in a table with ship name, maybe pic, and artist name+links
fleet halo
ya it would but we can just unify them on the ship page after noticing the differences @flat cargo
@wild sinew let me see how other wiki team feels about it and get back to you
willow lark
also yes it can be easily fixed
flat cargo
I guess that works
thick juniper
@hardy hull how many are broken?
thick juniper
any other?
thick juniper
there's also monarch too so
flat cargo
Restart already tossed that out, so I didn't think I needed to mention it.
analog comet
@wild sinew I'm still reluctant to add 'ship in en list' back. But I tried to accommodate ppl needs, so I came up with a solution. You might wanna check server page now, and I'll see what's your thought on it
thick juniper
mm
gentle river
wasnt this newly implemented but now theres much broken links
thick juniper
@gentle river it's the file naming of the ships skins
some of the naming is not consistent with the others
@flat cargo @hardy hull should be fixed now
vital topaz
@analog comet give KR side a lavender color, black isn't good xd
Also, might implement the visuals which ship list has on the skins section
analog comet
I just don't know what to use
Beside, nobody gonna update KR side anytime soon
Any hex number reference?
analog comet
Let's see
thick juniper
this looks too blue the lavender i mean
need to move to hidden channel cuz of this slowmode lol
analog comet
Alrite
noble stone
Just to clarify, "Not available on EN" is the same thing as an EN list. If you listed "available on EN" and "unavailable on EN," that would literally be every ship in the game and thus pointless
@analog comet The edit you did is not readable and it takes up too much space. We don't need a separate ship catalog on the server differences page
analog comet
Ahh okay, you want me to roll it back?
I do agree it's pointless to add 'ship in en' as we alr have a complete ship list on separate page. also it's like I'm accommodating lazyfudge en players who doesn't bother to look at ship list page or in-game ship list
But I just thought it would work just fine if using tab especially it's no more pain in the ass to scroll thru page on mobile like the old template, like killing two birds with one stone
gentle river
frrrrrr
noble stone
Up to you, I just mean from a users perspective, I can't find if ship X is available anyway
Should be enough just to have a list of who isn't available with their names underneath like on the skins section
wild sinew
@analog comet @noble stone I want to point out that not in EN list is not the same as in EN list. EN don't have almost the half of ships which makes deducing in EN list quite challenging memory exercise. (look at retrofits, there are both in EN and not EN lists )
I agree that not in EN list makes more sense from servers page logic and it'll be even more when EN will catch up (if it will). And in EN list will clutter already big page.
I'm also not sure about demand. That's why I asked is there plans to bring the EN list back. Not suggested bring it back.
Because sometimes I want see what we have on EN using something more convenient than in game collection. Well, I'll be fine either way
analog comet
Yeah, I got a feedback too, to use a template with names under it. It's rather useless to have a list of ship without easy to spot names or so they said. Itsfy has provided the needed template and I'll working on it later
analog comet
Oh, and verner, I'm planning to remove 'retrofits in en' in the future 
hardy hull
why?
wild sinew
Iirc, the retros in EN was already removed with 'ships in EN' but was brought back when somebody said "you can see the list of ships in collection but you can't see the list of the retros cause they are marked as unknown".
Hope the future means EN is 5-6 retros behind CN\JP )
hardy hull
that somebody was me, that's why I'm asking
analog comet
Pretty sure it was me who said that. I'm also the one who deleted and bring it back
Anyway, like jif said, that would literally be every retrofit in the game and thus useless
I'll be keeping it for now, but when retrofit in en reached at least half of all retrofit available, I'm gonna remove it
odd lance
Just here to point out to the wiki guys Rurutie is supposed to be "Rulutieh"
I know utaware romanizations are hell to tl though but thats how its spelt in the US release of the game
Double checked(the rest of the names are correct according to the first games glossary)
fair frigate
just an opinion but I think wiki's translation is better than the game's
odd lance
Sadly thats not how Ls work in moon
fair frigate
well I still agree with rulutieh tho, but look at unicorn's lines in the wiki vs in the game, how does u-chan become "ugean"
odd lance
Pretty sure she calls ugean u-chan for short
hardy hull
they not talking about EN's translation
odd lance
but yeah Im just saying the names romanized wrong and its a common mistake for utawarerumono characters, (hence under water ray romano)
Fan wiki also has it like that as well has the straight up romanization in romaji which still doesn't match the wikis lol
gentle river
arent we keeping it how it is in game?
fleet halo
@odd lance yes we are aware how the "english" version of the game spell her as Rulutieh
however we use all names from the game itself in which case she is call rurutie
odd lance
huh weird
odd lance
The twins are correct though even in the US release
wakarimasen lol, but yeah thanks for the info
odd lance
Nah as I said utaware names always go through hell when in english, but Im just going by what the official release says. Dont have fu in my glossory yet, but I know kuons name was also originally tled as Quon(I know it spoken the same) but yeah the series has had issues in the past with botching stuff. But yeah everything else checks out.
noble stone
Ultimately we kind of have to adhere to the ingame info as much as possible due to the fact that people will be searching accordingly
It sucks but oh well
quaint stream
Why does the interface look like it's on mobile now?
finite orbit
what interface
finite orbit
are the ships in this page https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/User:GureMi like future ships or something? only bismarck has its own wiki page
anyway the ships look dope af especially jeanne d’arc
vital topaz
Some of them are old
some also has appeared in one big event (french one) never as official launched ships
(that means, they aren't in the game to get)
finite orbit
but will they be?
i mean why didnt it didnt get launch officially eventhough it has appeared
vital topaz
Tone and Chikuma were going to have a rework
Bismarck stills a bait
Same for Jeanne and Riche
vital topaz
who