Dethrone Shad

[steel charm]

I will, but it's related to the rebrand, people are suggesting here that all Shad channels be eliminated as part of the rebrand

[crimson field]

those people will have to re-discuss it in the cleanup channel, which I also mentioned in the summary as well

I personally am not going through 1000 messages, nor wil lthe mods to find snippets of that conversation between the rest.

especially if there's a better more focused place to do so in channel cleanup / rework

[wet karma]

https://tenor.com/view/france-french-waterloo-napoleonic-gif-25479984

[crimson field]

https://tenor.com/view/guiillotine-gif-4574862832491529802

[kindred sundial]

If you are going to go forward I would ping in announcements. Messaging once in a given number of channels is not really adequate from a polling perspective. Additionally you or the mods should likewise decide on what majority is needed and the amount of representation you need from members for the vote to go through. Likewise votes should be ya or nay for dethroning shad without any grey area.

[clear ravine]

Well I just read that full wall 😄

Thanks for making the summary aka the wall silimas

[crimson field]

np ❤️

Thanks for reading the full well Pyro ❤️

[crimson field]

Anyway let us know, when you're able, what the plans are from the mod team regarding this situation.

[hollow tinsel]

yes and i think thats the best variant. Shad has disqualified himself in so many ways

[hollow tinsel]

yesss

[grand junco]

The best argument I can make in favour of Shad remaining or even becoming the owner is that the server itself was based off of him... That said, if he has, from what I can tell, removed links to the server from his media... Then I am of the opinion that a separation is a good idea. Let him start his own official server and this one divest of his branding.

For the nonce, I think the name and images should be changed regardless of what the ultimate decision is, as to clarify that the server is not in fact owned by him and is not officially affiliated.

[crimson field]

Well from my understanding in all advertisement, it was "official communiy-run Shadiversity server". I.e. it was not "official Shadiversity server", and just because it is associated with Shad between an agreement between the two does not mean it should be that way in perpetuity.

I agree that name and images should be changed, in order to distance ourselves from him and make sure that no possible repercusisons in any direction could happen in seemingly being associated with him

[clear ravine]

Pretty much, 'Official community server' sounds a bit odd but that's what we've always been.

[crimson field]

yeah but the two key components seem to me community-owned (community) and official (Shad approval)

[clear ravine]

Well in name at least, in practice most of the time we have not been mentioned or cared about

[crimson field]

I mean Shad left all of the management, ownership, handling, etc up to everybody else. From my understanding, only some rules were passed down, but that's it.

Indeed, that is de facto the situation.

I mean we basically got a simple link to the discord in some videos

[pallid halo]

He's not even active here, that's one thing.

[crimson field]

Well he's never been active as a mod, nor any of his team. And he himself, nor his team are active here in 1.5+ year or 3.5+ year

Even if we ping the remaining member that we are allowed to ping, we get no response.

And I don't know who arranged the no ping Shad rule but presumably Shad had a hand in it. It's a reasonable rule, after all. But it does create a difficult situation.

[brittle harness]

i mean, he had admin rights. he could have had a hand in how things get run. he just... didnt

[crimson field]

Yeah I dont know those details

that's up to the big people in charge

I just mean to say that in the info, it mentions that Shad doesn't engage in moderation

Though I guess the usage of the word "does not actively moderate" can mean to say he is part of moderation

[hearty linden]

I guess that's old lore nowadays

[crimson field]

in the future, it'll be ancient lore about the buried past. We'll need archeologists to dig it up.

[hearty linden]

Only few of us remember, but I'd rathe rnot go off topic here xD

[balmy cipher]

I think the fact that we aren't allowed to ping Shad or his staff, kinda gives an answer to how much they want to be involved

[crimson field]

we are allowed to ping his members, but there's only one of them in the server. And he doesn't reply, and the rest refuses to join

[balmy cipher]

well thats also an answer

[crimson field]

Swordsmyth did ping that member in this suggestion to inform the member of Shad's crew

[balmy cipher]

yeah it was Taranth (SP? I'm sure there is a Y in there somewhere)

[crimson field]

Tyranth.

with the dot at the end

[balmy cipher]

there ya go

[median thistle]

I believe that's been there since the Devon era.

[hearty linden]

You believe right, that rule was already stablished when I came here

[median thistle]

I've been here since the first week of the server, I'm pretty sure it was a day 1 rule.

(even if not first week, first week that it had advertising)

(the first of the mods that are still here joined at most 1 day before me [Pyro])

[hearty linden]

I know, but the "I believe" made mt think that you doubted your memory :p

[median thistle]

I just don't like stating certainties unless I'm 100% sure 😂

[hearty linden]

That's fair xD

[crimson field]

small off-topic: You're right Dark. I should stop using pussy words to make it sound to others like I doubt myself. It's not "I believe I am perfect". I am perfect.

[wet karma]

We are more like the 13 colonies in terms of how we function in regards to Shad

Tea party anyone?

[crimson field]

I'm more of the US position in relation to GB when it comes to Shad

[ionic quail]

I don’t think Shad would notice/mind our rebrand either

Honestly this place criticised his content more than supported

[crimson field]

indeed

🤣 He should've made better content

[chrome quiver]

If he doesn't link this place anymore then declare secession to the crown!!!

[crimson field]

w00t w00t

[chrome quiver]

We start a new monarchy!

[chrome quiver]

With a DRAGON as ruler!!! 🐉

[minor gale]

Drgn list uprising is coming lol

Led by the cat. It all makes sense

[low meadow]

So it's been a week, give or take, any update on a decision?

[crimson field]

Not yet, haven't heard any result

I'll probs ping him in a week or so

[low meadow]

That's fair. I just want to make sure things aren't juat being stuffed to the back and never discussed.

[crimson field]

Dunno, we'll see. I mean I don't know what happens in the mod chambers.

I won't assume stuff or whatever, but at some point I'll just ping to see what's up and if I can expect anything

anyway people have lives and I mean getting together with multiple people and all that jazz

dunno.

[ionic quail]

Maybe one of the staff who supports it could start a staff vote

[crimson field]

we'll see.

[hearty linden]

Whoa, whoa... hold your wyrms

[brittle harness]

We've definitely been talking, there's some movement on this

We started a vote and will now figure out our plan of action

Sorry that we didn't inform ye guys

We just need to make sure some details and that will take another short while. I don't actually know how much

[minor gale]

Exciting news! Thanks for the update!

[brittle harness]

Ofc ofc

Please feel free to ping me for this kind of stuff (as long as ye don't do it every 10 min lol)

[grand ferry]

Quick, everyone ping her all at once

[median thistle]

@brittle harness can we have the update but in fake hollywood german?

[brittle harness]

https://tenor.com/view/i-dont-do-requests-arnold-schwarzenegger-running-man-deny-gif-16080634

I actually just finished that new show with him today

[fickle bay]

Lok

Lol*

[crimson field]

Thanks for the udpate Christy ❤️ Appreciate it

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-silence-hush-stfu-be-quiet-gif-18670122

[ionic quail]

But if it does go through, please don’t make the server name something yeeyee 🙏

My only request

[crimson field]

yeeyee?

[brittle harness]

yeeyeevsounds like a good server name

[fickle bay]

Classic gamer word

[minor gale]

I vote for YeeYee

[deep surge]

there you go: the YeeYeeVerse hahaha ❤️ (just kidding, of course)

[low meadow]

So why is this a mods only vote? I've seen multiple people say lt should be a server wide vote. You guys don't represent the server now, do you? And why is this discussion behind closed doors? There's a thread right here to discuss it. It's the future of this server, why aren't the server members being informed/ a part of it?

[crimson field]

Wait?!

This is a mod vote?!

@clear ravine are you holding a mod vote? Not a server poll?

[minor gale]

It definitely seems off that even the discussion is private

[brittle harness]

We were voting on how to approach it, not what. We've been advocating for a server wide vote before something big happened that pretty much over wrote the need for a vote

Which was then talked about.

[low meadow]

So useless beaurocratic nonsense and opinions from people who are rarely interacting with the server in a weekly basis get more say than the rest of the server. Good to know.

[clear ravine]

I'm confused already

[brittle harness]

No, that's not what I said. How not what.

The what is pretty clear

There will be a rebranding

[crimson field]

... sigh

I'll see whatever happens.

I had suggestions and I tried suggesting reasonable things.

we'll see what happens with anything that anybody has said in these suggestions.

[minor gale]

Tbf, things do take time if there's a bueracracy in place

[crimson field]

I mean Christy just announced there will be a rebranding

I think 4 or 5 people asked for a server poll. I suggested a server poll of some sorts.

Like I said I don't mind if there is bureaucracy, but I mean a single message in some hidden thread in some obscure channel?

easily washed away by a few messages

[plush pecan]

a discussion we can't see that we can't even put some weight in?
People accuse you of keeping people in the dark and being authoritarian and this is how you respond?

[grand ferry]

I think all discussions about this should be in this chat where all can see

[brittle harness]

You do realise that message is old?

I see the irony, don't worry

[clear ravine]

The real issue is that Shad has contacted us and we need(ed) to try work some stuff out in the background
You'll all get more context soon™️

[grand ferry]

I see

[plush pecan]

2 days is old but weeks is fine?

Look I don't mean to offend but that will probably just anger people even more

Jester said it well

[brittle harness]

Ah, I can talk about it now? Yay :)

[brittle harness]

Fair enough yeah

[clear ravine]

You'll all get more context soon™️

[brittle harness]

We were pretty much trying to figure out how to deal with shad, not with how to do the rebrand

And trying to formulate that into a message without saying it is kinda hard

The server poll was pretty much planned/agreed when he reached out and we had to start to communicate with him

[crimson field]

I mean an announcement with the mod team recognising the thread and discussing it with more info for the public would've worked imo.

I dont think specifics have to be included instantly

[clear ravine]

the discord suggestions did get linked in announcements

[crimson field]

For example the dethrone shad thread was not mentioned.

[brittle harness]

Pretty much all active mods joined this thread I think? Idk

But probably a better way to handle that yep

[crimson field]

if you think that is enough, that's okay. I don't think so.

The link was to get engagemenet

However I'm saying that the modeam behind the scenes would have sufficed.

Because that engagement link is pretty old, and what was just mentioned has apparently went down after that

[brittle harness]

?

[crimson field]

What i'm saying Christy, is that what you mentioned in this thread, should have been mentioned in some capacity in an announcement

[brittle harness]

Legit confused about that message, not trying to redirect

AHHH

Thanks!

[crimson field]

Your message would likely not have been read by most people in this thread, let alone the server.

[brittle harness]

I wish, sadly I do not have access to that channel

[crimson field]

I understand, but that would be what I would hae suggsted. I don't think it's a binary between instantly disclosing the Shad situation vs no announcements

Just saying that you see how engaged the community is with the suggestion, that the mod tema is actively taking some time to discuss how or what to deal with it and that the server should expect a response approx in I dunno 2 weeks or so

I mean the details regarding that could obviously change a lot, but for everybody who has put quite a chunk of time and effort into this, it'd have been an acknowledgement that it was taken seriously beyond just a message to get people engaged

obviously those two steps are very different.

[hearty linden]

I can say mods are not keeping people in me

[clear ravine]

anyways, this is pinned but I'll try and reply to it once in a while because ppl still miss pins 😄

[brittle harness]

Then ye would have complained about closed discussions like ye did right now. Which is true and yes I do think they shouldn't be. (heck I think barracks should be open but I'm pretty alone with that opinion) But yeah, I highly doubt that would have helped

[crimson field]

Ok, if you want to think that. Fine.

Yes, there would be people who'd say that

[brittle harness]

I do, because it happened

[crimson field]

Would they be representative of the server? or of the thread? I doubt it

if a troll comes in and accuses you of something, that doesn't automatically means it's necessary to do something else

[brittle harness]

No, ofc not. But one person says it and then two and then three

[brittle harness]

Active people

[brittle harness]

New ppl

[crimson field]

Ok, well if that's your reasons for not posting it in announcements, then that is the mod teams reasons.

I however, I do not like that reason, disagree with its reasoning and disagree with the conclusion.

[brittle harness]

.

[crimson field]

I mean there's a reason why some people have mentioned it.

[brittle harness]

And yes they are right

I dont speak for all the mods

[crimson field]

It's because a lot of what's happened has also been done when things didn't need to be private.

[brittle harness]

But you can't deny that exactly that would have happened because it did

[crimson field]

I did not deny it. I said it's not representative

[20:26]
OP
Silimas isekai'd: Yes, there would be people who'd say that
[20:26]c h r i s t y: I do, because it happened

[brittle harness]

Again, I agree. I see where it comes from I agree and there is nothing I can do about that

[crimson field]

My message was before your message

[brittle harness]

I know, it's a figure of speech

[crimson field]

In a lot of situations, the mod team discussed things with little to no community input, when it wasn't necessary to exclude community input.

[brittle harness]

Anyway I'm off to cook. Am hungry

[crimson field]

Just because it was necessary to keep this hush hush, does not mean that it was necessary in all situations.

[hearty linden]

The issue now is that mods are trying to find the best way and time to announce it and/or open it to voting?

[crimson field]

allegedly

From my understanding the rebrand WILL happen

there is seemingly no reason for a poll, if that is what's been decided by the mod tema.

[low meadow]

Probably biding time to get all the mods who are inactive to vote on when to announce.

[hearty linden]

All in time

[crimson field]

#1272221304761618473 message
[20:09]c h r i s t y: There will be a rebranding

so from that message, I would take it that there will be a rebranding.

[brittle harness]

Mainly due to rights of name, image and similar

[crimson field]

I mean, why did Shad decide that? 🤣 I dont see the reasoning for why it was decided.

[brittle harness]

His face and name needs to be gone. But how much do we need to remove

[crimson field]

I dont see what Shad said or anything.

[brittle harness]

No idea, I don't want to be in his brain or think about what's going in his brain

[hearty linden]

You and the rest do your best, that's the best you can do

[crimson field]

I mean I dont see any reasoning for how this was decided for the server by Shad.

[brittle harness]

Does that make sense?

[crimson field]

no.

Given how little communication there's been. Nothing really makes sense

[brittle harness]

Like he didn't decide what to do but his action decided it was time to dethrone him

[crimson field]

but I'll see what happens in the end.

[clear ravine]

I was vague with a reason

[brittle harness]

Eh

Not smart to be vague really

[crimson field]

I mean perhaps in teh future we might somehow sometime know about it

[brittle harness]

Especially now ig

[clear ravine]

Yes, it made clear that something is going on, it was the thing we needed right now

[crimson field]

I don't think it's unfair for people to be slightly critical when they have zero clue.

[hearty linden]

Most likely, trust Pyro on this one, I do

[crimson field]

I don't.

but we'll see.

[brittle harness]

And that's okay

You dont need to

[crimson field]

In the end I'll see what I do with my own choices.

[brittle harness]

But the stones you throw are kinda hindering

[hearty linden]

Then doubt Shad more than Pyro xD

[crimson field]

Thats fine christy

if you want just warn and mute me or ban me.

that'd solve it

I mean people could always ask me to do something instead of mentioning "stone throws hindering"

Personally I am happy with my behaviour. Especially given the circumstances and what's happened.

Anyway I'll leave you guys to it. I'll check back in around october to see what happened with the suggestions.

[minor gale]

Btw Christy, didn't mean to suggest that all mods are on board with closed door discussions, or that it's a huge deal. Just that it'd be cool to know a little more. Thanks for the work you and the others are putting into this, given that it is just a discord server in the end.

[fast sluice]

I can smell the butthurt even from the history corner.

[kindred sundial]

I mean, I trust the mods to handle it as they need to. Ultimately rebrand or no rebrand, this year or next ain't really going to change the server much.

[balmy cipher]

Exactly, I know I'm new to the server but I think/trust the mods do agree and are working to the goal.

After all, they aren't getting paid

...... my gossipy ass is extremely curious to know what Shad did or said though

[fast sluice]

Aaaaand bro just left.

[fast sluice]

Probably a cease and desist in the lines of: "Server ain't my property anymore, take my face off of it!"

[clear ravine]

Working on an announcement

[balmy cipher]

Yeah, looks like Sil left

[clear ravine]

Can't promise it won't potentially leave you with more questions though

[balmy cipher]

Well it was never really his to begin with according to people recounting the history

[balmy cipher]

Well now my curiosity has peaked!

(though I'm patient 😁)

[clear ravine]

I mean I don't feel like one sides releases of a chat is nice to do (and potentially illegal)

So yeah

It'll be clear and vague at the same time I guess

lol

[balmy cipher]

Eh, depends on the country but it's more along the lines of rude.

Thought tbf, if it holds a person to account and "shows the real person" then show away imho

[minor gale]

"clear and vague at the same time"
Lol pyro, ever thought about applying to a political campaign? They'd eat that up xD

[rocky wren]

@minor gale has just advanced to level 11.

[fast sluice]

Then just don't copy paste the dialogue, but instead say what was talked about.
There is nothing wrong with that morally or legally.

If it is addressing the server, then all the more reason to make it public.

[balmy cipher]

I have a sneaky suspicion that Shad didn't react well

Hmm and that means he either lurks or Tyranth told him rather than respond to the message

[clear ravine]

I have a sneaky suspicion the at everyone will awake a bunch of ppl ready to leave 😛

Well idk if that happens as much anymore, I feel like ppl just ignore them more rather than leave over it, but there's always some

[balmy cipher]

Oh yeah, always best to avoid the @-everyone

[clear ravine]

(maybe that just has to do with many accounts just being dead lol)

Yeah we don't normally do them

but I feel like in this case we'll get yelled at if we don't 😛

[balmy cipher]

oooOooo

[minor gale]

Ain't no winning in this situation :/

[clear ravine]

Yeah usually the case with announcements

always those who don't care, those who hate pings, those who would be mad if you only pinged a group hehe

[balmy cipher]

"mods should be communicating more"
Vs
"Why are you talking to me??"

[clear ravine]

But yeah I do think this is a bit bigger than our minorannouncements opt in group

[minor gale]

Glad I'm not a mod xP
Thanks for the effort pyro, I'm sure I'm not the only one who appreciates it

[balmy cipher]

Yeah, I'm still new enough to not know where we disagree but I appreciate all mod efforts ❤️
It can be thankless

[clear ravine]

I expect a downtick in server size and an uptick in activity

Well hopefully that second one heh 😄

[minor gale]

I'll 100% take that tbh

[clear ravine]

Yeah most of the server is just a number, it doesn't reflect active numbers, the amount of channels is also from a way more active time, making places feel dead etc

[minor gale]

Right. That's why I think the rebrand/reset is a good thing. To deal with such things

RIP Sil, who began the crusade

[balmy cipher]

Anyway gtg - will be keeping an eye out on the drama announcement

[balmy cipher]

Ooo! Yeah, what happened there?

[minor gale]

Not exactly sure. I know he's been frustrated with how things were handled.

[balmy cipher]

Hmm, ah well

[clear ravine]

it's unfortunate, but if that's what he felt is best.... He is always back

[minor gale]

Would be nice to have him back, but c'est la vie

[fast sluice]

I mean, I already see the banner being taken down...

[clear ravine]

Hard to do everything at once lol

[minor gale]

Whow, it's gone...

[fast sluice]

Any eta on that big @-everyone announcement, or can I go to sleep?

[clear ravine]

few minutes

[minor gale]

0_0

[clear ravine]

but one can always sleep I guess 😛

[minor gale]

I'm watching history being made lmao

[clear ravine]

few extra minutes I guess, sudden extra input :p

[minor gale]

Drat

So close, yet so far

Nice banner btw

[frank coral]

Just wanna say while I don't really care about this server I salute you purely out of spite for Shad

[clear ravine]

Not sure if we'll keep this banner but I figured it'd be nice for now

[minor gale]

<baygull was typing>

[simple quartz]

oh jeez this was enough for me to come outta hiding

[limpid kraken]

yah i was going to talk about how the server might be run depending on how these changes are recieved but i was just yapping as always

[clear ravine]

House!

[limpid kraken]

nothing i havent said before lol

[simple quartz]

long time ay?

saw the ping and was curious

[median thistle]

ayo Villa

[simple quartz]

🙏 xander

[median thistle]

I'm still somehow on the mod team all these years later

[simple quartz]

they can't get rid of the classics 😌

but whats with the up and arms over shad? some time has passed since I've ever looked at his content or just the community in general. Life do be happening

[shell dove]

Quite a long time ago I was active here. Stopped talking because I found out more about Shad and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I just came here for medieval fiction discussion and historical accuraccy anyway, but I miss it.

[simple quartz]

id say its been a few years since I last saw anything shad related lol

[median thistle]

I think I've watched 3 videos in the last 2 years

[dusk grove]

Should make a forum discussing potential new server icons.

[grand ferry]

Wow, what an ass, returning after basically quietly disowning us and trying to take over

[simple quartz]

i recall when the server was first created, he was rarely ever seen

we've always been in the closet but yeah quite the hostile attempt to just take over

threats?

really?

[thin stream]

Yeah, I also joined here because I was a pretty big fan of his, but have since stopped watching his content for reasons

[dusk grove]

Honestly just kinda got bored of it. He stopped doing the stuff I originally subscribed for.

[shell dove]

I haven't looked at his content in years. I liked sourcing his videos for historical accuracy for my creative endeavors. What does he even do now?

[grand ferry]

I like how people who've never really been active are popping up now out of either anger or curiosity

[dusk grove]

There's other channels that do weapons and armour like Metatron and Skal.

[soft agate]

Honestly I think this is for the best, most of the server isn’t even about Shad anymore. A lot of the active members I’ve interacted with don’t seem to have much interest in him

[obsidian veldt]

oh boi shad is evil because he want to manage his own named server xD no wonder why I wasn't talking here and no reason for me to officially be here

[soft agate]

Also did Silimas leave?

[grand ferry]

Yes sadly

[snow night]

Maybe we can do some collaboration with the Scholagladiatoria or Overly Sarcastic Productions Discord server

[minor gale]

Ye, is very sad

[soft agate]

[hearty linden]

@clear ravine the server name! xD At least put a work in progress one xD

[snow kestrel]

Sorry fam my bad, the ping has led me down this reading rabbit hole 😐

[shell dove]

There was a really talented artist moderator here I used to talk to. Any idea who it was?

[clear ravine]

If we can find people that'd like to work with us that'd be cool

[dusk grove]

Shord

[hearty linden]

It'd be best to look at your chat history looking as from:<your name> and then jump at that post

[hearty linden]

"Shart" xD

[shell dove]

Good idea, actually

[dusk grove]

Shad + Discord

[soft agate]

That could work

[hearty linden]

I'd say that for now let's not run towards any youtuber/s, the server functioned on it's own for year and was Shadiversity focused only in name. We need to establish our own thing first, I'd advice

[soft agate]

Yeah that could be for the best

[shell dove]

It was Eol, apparently.

[hearty linden]

You can still find him, mostly at #arms-and-armour-1 and #arms-and-armour-2 still

[shell dove]

Oh cool

If this place is going to distance itself I'd love to spend more time here.

I've missed the cool creative discussions

[grand star]

That's the second ping in a relatively short while from a server I only posted a little bit in four years ago.
I've long since gotten sick and tired of Shad's bloating ego and doubling down on takes where he's been proven wrong, so I never had a reason to post but also felt like I didn't have enough reason to just leave either hoping he might get better again.

[opaque vigil]

can you publish what shad has said?, im curious now

[grand star]

Metatron feels like (I know it's not objectively true... yet) he's engaging more in drama than anything else the days and Skal, well... you can tell he stopped enjoying it a long time ago. He's made multiple videos about that particular topic...

[shell dove]

I haven't watched any Metatron vids in a while specifically because it seems like every one of them that I get notifs for is drama-related

[hearty linden]

The only one that seems to still enjoy it is Matt Easton, but he has his own thing

[grand star]

I mainly watch Modern History and Todd's Workshop these days.

[grand ferry]

I like Matt Easton occasionally but he honestly bores me sometimes

[fast sluice]

New server name suggestion: "Legally Distinct History Server"

[oak dove]

how about Chadiverse

[dusk grove]

Madiverse

[granite bone]

Radiverse

[snow kestrel]

Vladiverse (That's right we're going Wallachia theme)

[gleaming kindle]

im also really curious

[grand star]

Cogentially related

[plush pecan]

and Skall also doesn't seem to put as much effort into his content as others now

some are well made though still, but they are exceptions

So what exactly happened?

[gleaming kindle]

im confused why Shad would suddenly demand ownership

[clear ravine]

Working with other creators could be very cool, but we do definitely need to work on the server first 😄

[gleaming kindle]

im new here and i havent been a regular watcher of Shadiversity for all that long but it still seems really out of sorts and out of character

[oak dove]

man I miss when shad would just sit in his office in fornt of the shelf and sword collection, those were the days

[gleaming kindle]

i wasnt there for that

[simple quartz]

cant believe it could finally happen after all these years

[oak dove]

where did it all go wrong . _.

[fast sluice]

Eh, not really. Bloke is egoist and stubborn. If he wanted the server for something he'd go the extra mile.

[balmy cipher]

Shad "demanding" ownership is so on brand

[gleaming kindle]

hm

[balmy cipher]

I'm sure it was really really polite as well haha

[plush pecan]

probably because the server has started to be make more noise and it's affiliated with him, maybe

[fast sluice]

What noise? It's dying xD

[gleaming kindle]

ig i havent been a fan long enough to know

[simple quartz]

make more noise? its been dying since its creation

[rancid coral]

Who is Shad?

[soft agate]

This server hasn’t had that many active members at all for its size

[grand star]

Possible reason - though pure speculation - could be that he's trying things to pin blame on again.
It's never the content or quality of his videos when he's losing viewership... always something else.

[simple quartz]

we'd have some mass member explosions but it'll always start slowly dwindling

[plush pecan]

it's pretty dead yes, but the demand to cut ties probably made noise

All of this happened in the same frame

[simple quartz]

this place still runs due to pyro

[soft agate]

Possibly

[grand star]

Common trend, especially with large servers.
I've seen servers with ~30 people that are more active than servers with several thousands.

[oak dove]

when theres like 3 thousand people in a server i feel theres no point in chatting because theres no stability

[rocky wren]

@oak dove has just advanced to level 9.

[oak dove]

new people every day

it gets confusing

[grand star]

My guess? When he had his disease and subsequent prolonged treatment. Things like that can change a man.
There's many writers who have become embittered under similar circumstances, for example Terry Pratchett.

[rocky wren]

@grand star has just advanced to level 2.

[gleaming kindle]

yeah my server with a bunch of mutual friends has like 26 including a few bots and its very active

[plush pecan]

Pyro is more confusing than anything, but if I had to guess the noise it made attracted the others who told Shad and Shad asked to just defuse it because he doesn't trust the mods

Like is threat "I would like you to either stop calling yourselves official or actually become official" or "do as I will or I will ruin your life"?

[fast sluice]

Gotta go change the #info-old channel as well, since we ain't his community server no more.

[wet karma]

Should we clean up all the Shad emotes?

[hollow tinsel]

yes

[soft agate]

I think Shad fell in with the wrong people and doubled down on knights watch for money rather than his main channel

[opaque vigil]

send them to him and be Like here's your server

[clear ravine]

Happens to a lot of servers, but yes, very true, a good reason to reduce channel amounts so people don't get lost and the chatter isn't as spread out in the void

I'm sure the ateveryone ping purged a bunch 😂

[fast sluice]

let god sort them

[gleaming kindle]

so no one really likes Shad that much, what about Nate and Tyranth? even though Nate left

[clear ravine]

Due to the all moderators past and present, due to the community itself.

[simple quartz]

100%, i remember those early discord VCs

[wet karma]

We are at this point an anarchist free server

[grand star]

Imho it must have started sooner than that, because I noticed the trends before that channel became a thing.

[simple quartz]

but speaking of the past members, who else is left pyro?

[hollow tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-robinson-i-think-you-should-leave-you-sure-about-that-gif-22429959

[wet karma]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-over-head-gif-6519939504882594986

[grand star]

I'd wager most people here have at least at some point liked him or been interested in his videos at one point or another.
As the saying goes... never meet your idols.

[hollow tinsel]

oh

[soft agate]

Fair, I think the first major step I took toward moving away from Shad was reading his book

He advertised it so much but then I read it and well…

It was something

[wet karma]

Shad-ow of the Conqu-error was the last straw for me as well

[grand star]

Heh. I was meaning to read it but never even bought it.
I can imagine it being very... descriptive.

[oak dove]

he wrote what he knew

[gleaming kindle]

i like his content, but ive been watching for a while knowing that if me and Shad were to ever meet we'd disagree on a lot

[hollow tinsel]

i liked him for his early bow content (thumb side argument) but then i realized he has horrible views

[soft agate]

I think the last straw for me was probably when he just started getting into drama for the sake of it, and his association with Friday night tights

[wet karma]

You can do better things with your money, like using it as toilet paper

[gleaming kindle]

i was also meaning to read it, i know nothing of it

[hollow tinsel]

its just his r4pe fantasies

[rocky wren]

@gleaming kindle has just advanced to level 3.

[clear ravine]

it's been so long I don't remember who you actually know

[simple quartz]

fair enough LOL

[clear ravine]

@ionic quail still hides out somewhere

[wet karma]

At this point most of the swordtuber community just crumbled into a husk

[simple quartz]

they may of changed names or long left

pence!

[soft agate]

The worst part for me is that Shad never once mentioned how mature the book was when his channel has a teen part of the fanbase

[simple quartz]

i recall jester, i still see Eol around. I forgot their user name but he'd always talk about Italian food w me and make me jealous

fuck what was his name

[tired epoch]

god forbid men have hobbies

[wet karma]

Shad went full chud, Metatron is only interested in drama nowadays (for the money I guess), Skall just doesn't want to do YT anymore, and Matt, it depends on the context

[gleaming kindle]

lets not defend ||rapists||

[simple quartz]

damn the sword community has fallen hasn't it

[hollow tinsel]

todsworkshop for the win ig

[tired epoch]

Lindybeige supremacy

Huzzah!

[simple quartz]

im honestly glad this server has stood the test of time, even if it wasn't in the best of shape

[clear ravine]

let's not talk about this topic at all, if anything that's #disputatio material

[simple quartz]

small pocket of the remaining community

[gleaming kindle]

maybe i should start a youtube channel

[wet karma]

Lindy is too Bri'ish

[tired epoch]

Lindybeige is too good

[grand star]

If Shad is full chud, Matt's precisely the opposite.
Wouldn't call either of them either tbh.

[snow kestrel]

Yeah that's what he said 🇬🇧

[onyx flower]

He's a bit weird. Had an article in the daily mail once about force feeding people lard

[snow night]

Overly Sarcastic Productions?

[gleaming kindle]

i love seeing the No Access thing it always amuses me

[tired epoch]

Matt is literally soyjak incarnate

[simple quartz]

no access?

[wet karma]

OSP are great but they don't count as swordtubers

[simple quartz]

interesting, time for a deep dive

[fast sluice]

Except when he is utterly wrong, which is a lot of times.
His spear and fire arrow videos come to mind whenever I remember him and it makes me cringe.

[simple quartz]

oh nevermind its locked

oh god what the hell is behind that lock

do i even want to know 😭

[gleaming kindle]

im curious

[balmy dome]

Out of curiosity is this server still gonna be conservative leaning since he's orginal content leans toward that and of these values or now this will more of neutral / left / liberal side?? 🧐

[tired epoch]

idk bro what did he say about fire arrows? that they are useless? seems legit

[wet karma]

Politics discussions

[simple quartz]

ah

[minor gale]

Just political discussion type stuff

[simple quartz]

ah okay

[wet karma]

Not the intellectual kind either

[fast sluice]

Yes, and that they aren't a thing, which they were and are.

[simple quartz]

yeah im learning he was right leaning

[chrome quiver]

He's kind of a joke if he wants a server but never posts on it. Lets announce a new king!!!

[grand star]

There is an intellectual kind?

[snow night]

They’re a little bit too leftist even for me (centrist leftist) but only a little, and only sometimes.

Still much more watchable to me than Shad

[tired epoch]

doesnt seem very practical

[gleaming kindle]

thats definitely where i imagine i would disagree with Shad the most, anything political

[fast sluice]

Watch Todd's video about it then.

[balmy dome]

He has the right to be that

And people joins he's server tend to have similar ideas

[tired epoch]

no but i will assume you are wrong

[simple quartz]

@solar arch what do you think of all this

[balmy dome]

Nothing wrong with it though

[simple quartz]

ive come out of the grave, so it means you have too as well

[gleaming kindle]

nah i just liked learning about swords i didnt want any political conversation when i started watching him

[fast sluice]

#insertassoomermeme

[tired epoch]

?

[wet karma]

Swordtubers were destined to die out anyway

[snow night]

You can see OSP’s politics in their video on Pandora and the infamous Kaiju video but their chill about it

[simple quartz]

such a shame

[gleaming kindle]

Shadiversity is kinda the only one i found interesting

[tired epoch]

stop dooming over a discord server dawg hes gonna keep making content

[snow night]

Skallagrim is still good I think

[grand star]

History is the politics of the past. It is unavoidable to talk about (past times) politics when talking about historical topics.

[wet karma]

I mean, the topic is way past its hayday for staying relevant in today's YT. That's what I mean

[tired epoch]

not at all hahaha

what are you on?

[gleaming kindle]

well yeah, but i was interested in learning, not getting into debates or anything

[wet karma]

Rakija

Want some?

[tired epoch]

there is no politics in shadiversity stuff bro... what?

[gleaming kindle]

never said there were

[grand star]

Yeah, I know. I deliberately took the statement literally to start a debate. ;p

[wet karma]

Shitty politics is just one of the problems with Shad and his content. The biggest issue is his egomaniac behaviour

[gleaming kindle]

im sure a lot of people still find it fun and interesting, unless im alone there

[hushed sinew]

This is an interesting development my only question really is why?

[wet karma]

Yes they do, but the number is lower than what it was 10 years ago. I think the dramas that stirred up also had an effect on the newcomers but I can't say for certain. All I can see is less viewership and growth on the channels

[grand star]

I see less quality on many such channels. That might have more to do with it.

[rocky wren]

@grand star has just advanced to level 3.

[wet karma]

Or mayhaps my perspective was skewed with all the AI crypto scam garbage that gets spammed on my page

[grand star]

Though to be fair, short attention spans of today are further shortening.

[chrome quiver]

If Shad wants his discord back, he better start posting nice things on here about dragons ASAP!!!

[grand star]

What about them?

[chrome quiver]

They are awesome!

Nuff said

Wait no

Long live the Dragon Imperium

[wet karma]

Anyway, we have built this community and Shad did practically nothing for it

[grand star]

I can make a guess as to where you live based on how you wrote that.

[gleaming kindle]

i will never understand that

[wet karma]

He has no right to this server

[chrome quiver]

SWT at least chimes in on his server once a week.

[tired epoch]

who tf is SWT

[chrome quiver]

Meanwhile Aussie Swordsman cant be bothered to pay a visit

[gleaming kindle]

yeah unlike other content creators who are like "and join the discord linked in the description" i never heard him mention that there was one so i didnt even know i just saw the link in a description of one of his videos by chance

[wet karma]

I was invited by a friend

[glass tapir]

Revolution!
Jokes aside it seems like a good move, I dont even think Ive ever seen him here

[grand star]

This confirms my guess though.

[wet karma]

He was last active in 2020 iirc

[glass tapir]

Before I joined hah

[glacial willow]

Came here because I liked his channel and Oz a lot. Then the great dramas happened.

[tired epoch]

bro its a 50 year old man with a wife and 4 kids hes not going to be talking to some dudes on discord all day

[glass tapir]

Sure, no objecting that

[clear ravine]

requires lvl 10, which one can get in hours 😛

[simple quartz]

ah dammit i would've had access if i never left

😂

[balmy cipher]

But but I like lurking lol

[clear ravine]

I think some have done it in an hour but I'm not sure anymore about how the maths worked out haha

[glass tapir]

Punishment for your disloyalty 😛

[simple quartz]

has the bot been developed more while I was gone?

[fast sluice]

Except he apparently had enough time to be in hours long debates in the history corner. 😛

[grand star]

When I joined, it wasn't locked behind such a requirement yet.

[simple quartz]

it certainly is 😔

[tired epoch]

where?

[clear ravine]

Possible, we had to impose some kind of bare minimum

[tired epoch]

in this server?

[fast sluice]

Yes, in arms n armor mostly.

[simple quartz]

oh that actually reminded me of his beef with his critics so long ago

[tired epoch]

then why you complaining he isnt here if he is

[clear ravine]

Of course not, but no message in years is very different from not having much time

[tired epoch]

smh

[clear ravine]

his last msg was in december 2020

[tired epoch]

idk bro i don't think he has some sort of obligation to be active in a discord server

[balmy cipher]

Well one positive thing is that ppl seem to receptive to the announcement @clear ravine

[fast sluice]

Because he is.
What I'm saying he was debating for hours back then when he was active.
Then lost too many arguments and didn't write anything since 2020.

[simple quartz]

whats my last message beside today :p

[clear ravine]

He doesn't, none whatsoever, but what rights does he have to demand a community server that he hasn't even cared about in years

[tired epoch]

i dont agree with that either haha

[clear ravine]

There was never any obligation for Shad to show up here

even though it probably would've been good both for him and the server, but that doesn't matter, his time, his choice

[balmy cipher]

Still can but wont

Even now

[grand star]

Shame, it was fun lurking that on occasion. One of the best places to fill the barn with strawmen. ;p

[clear ravine]

still doesn't mean we owe him anything. I do feel like it's important context, I think his demands would've been at least somewhat different if he was actively involved all those years

[grand star]

Jokes aside, reading it back in the day made me want to not participate in that particular channel. You see one politics channel, you've seen them all.

[clear ravine]

actually very different really, but the way in which he does also didn't help

[gleaming kindle]

it just doesnt make any sense why hed suddenly want ownership when he hasnt given a shit about it in 4 years

[sullen siren]

Wow, I’ve been lurking for a while

And this was not what I expected to happen

[clear ravine]

global internet politics channels tend to be quite uuuhhhh 😛

[simple quartz]

beyond 4 years too

[clear ravine]

Yeah his not caring was long before his last message really

it's just an easy date to pinpoint lol

[simple quartz]

him being absent started like a few weeks to a month since the creation of this place

[gleaming kindle]

makes sense

[simple quartz]

he did put us in video descriptions from time to time but

[clear ravine]

at times, mostly early on

[simple quartz]

mostly just completely absent, it was common for us to explain that to people

[gleaming kindle]

yeah thats how i found this place, surprisingly in a recent video

[simple quartz]

we all showed up for shad lol

but he isn't here lol

[sullen siren]

Yeah I came here from his vids

[simple quartz]

or well

according to pyro not all of us

but originally yes

we all joined for shad lol

[grand star]

So he probably "remembered" recently, there's your answer why he wants it now kek.

[clear ravine]

impressive, most ppl say they never found this place because it's not linked anywhere and they found it on a random old video
or well most ppl find this place via other means really, a lot of ppl have no idea who shad is

[tired epoch]

pretty sure most youtubers dont really participate in "their" servers

[simple quartz]

yes but most youtubers promote their community channels

[clear ravine]

Well it's also part advertisement

if you do al lil chat and then go new video is up

you'll get more clicks than just bot spamming links

[simple quartz]

he has never mentioned us IN a video (from what i remember) aside from the creation of this place

[gleaming kindle]

im in three discord servers of youtubers i like and ive gotten to interact with them very regularly

[clear ravine]

And I do think in many of them they are involved

[balmy cipher]

Depends on if it's a community or patreon support server

[rocky wren]

@balmy cipher has just advanced to level 7.

[clear ravine]

that doesn't need to mean daily chat time

[simple quartz]

like even if its just once a month arrivals

[clear ravine]

but definitely involved

[simple quartz]

that promote so much

[tired epoch]

everyone in a community server already watches the youtuber

at least 90%

[grand star]

Plenty can at least theoretically be reached through them and bother to read/engage with one way or another.

[clear ravine]

I think you grossly underestimate how many ppl aren't here for shad at all

and still

[simple quartz]

yes but the people who ended up staying either lurked because of no shad or stayed for the community that was developed without shad

[grand star]

Having a community such as that is, in itself, advertisement already.

[clear ravine]

you can lose viewers who might've come back that way because they're still in the community etc

it's about engagement

[simple quartz]

that has changed since people have now started showing up completely unrelated to shad

[clear ravine]

Anyways, neither here nor there, it really doesn't matter, he was not obliged to be here at all

[gleaming kindle]

i was here for Shad, when Nate left I was like "holy shit maybe i can get a chance to be on the team" but now, eh.

[simple quartz]

this place became its own entity, he has no right to try and cleanse it like what he did to his own reddit

he never owned it since the start

not this place

[gleaming kindle]

sorry make that four

[atomic slate]

I would have preferred to see the conversation to understand how exactly Shad discussed the server, but it is moot. What's done is done. People will keep on or push off the dock.

[clear ravine]

I understand that, but I also don't think it's very ethical to just plonk messages onto the internet

And people will leave, and I understand that too

[grand star]

You don't break confidentiality without a damn good reason.

You just don't.

[clear ravine]

Also just legal implications I'm not sure about

[balmy cipher]

I seriously doubt there would be anything legally he could have done

[atomic slate]

I wasn't advocating publicly outing the conversation, just that I prefer my own reading over a general description. 💜

[balmy cipher]

But it's more ... Polite and professional not too

[tired epoch]

Chudiversity

has fallen

billions must

die

[gleaming kindle]

what is chud

[tired epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/you-chris-cantada-chris-cantada-force-only-you-nobody-else-but-you-gif-24993072

[proud elk]

As far as legal implications go, if you're accurately representing what he said to you, he doesn't have squat on you

[atomic slate]

It's a stock option

[gleaming kindle]

i feel like its a reference im just not getting

[balmy cipher]

Exactly, no body yet sued for sharing Twitter DMs

[proud elk]

Many have tried though lol

[gleaming kindle]

theres nothing illegal about sharing dms, unless ur like working in an office where you signed a confidentiality agreement

[grand star]

Mostly an internet meme either used to ridicule certain political positions, but often embraced by them because it is frankly hilarious and fails as an insult.

[gleaming kindle]

but this is a discord server, nothing to do with legal stuff

[hearty linden]

He's not even 40 xD

[gleaming kindle]

interesting

[tired epoch]

yes he is bro

[gleaming kindle]

hes 38

[hearty linden]

I remember him mentioning his age and he was younger than my current carcass, and this one carcass turned 40 this las tmonday

[proud elk]

Even then, if you need x to explain y and y is legally protected like salary, unionization, or workplace safety, it's also allowed as long as you do due diligence

[grand star]

Discord TOS (although handled haphazardly and only when it suits someone) would (theoretically) like a word with you.

[tired epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-haircut-kanye-west-stare-mattscrub-gif-13171403811728519930

[gleaming kindle]

im gonna pretend to understand that sentence

[muted egret]

I stopped watching him a while ago because his opinions disagree with my identity and he became a whiny ass in his reply videos to other youtubers instead of constructively arguing like he once did

[gleaming kindle]

Discord TOS can suck one

[gleaming kindle]

i kept watching but more for Tyranth, watching him chop shit is just entertaining

[tired epoch]

@clear ravine share the dms dawg

[hearty linden]

Similar, but much before when he was adamant on wrong stuff... and it seemed to be he was open to dialogue... if you own a big channel that can bring more viewers to him during an exchange of reply videos

[muted egret]

Seemed to all happen around the release of SotC, he got a bit too big for his boots

which is a shame because I did genuinely enjoy his work

[hearty linden]

I remember the "you can totally do and teach HEMA without reading any treatises whatsoever and just figure things on your own"

[muted egret]

It sucks to think that my acceptance of his religion when I found it out and it challenged my world views, would be met with insults for my chosen identity if we met in person

[gleaming kindle]

having done martial arts i feel like that is just blatantly false

[soft agate]

knights watch and AI art videos

[muted egret]

ah yes, by the way I've never touched a plane before but who wants to learn how to fly?

[feral ravine]

i havent seen a shad video in several years and i mostly keep to the #workshop

[gleaming kindle]

i was wondering about the video recently about medieval boots, it doesnt exactly look like authentic art

what he claimed was his art anyway

[soft agate]

He’s a big AI art advocate despite his brother being a successful art channel, and even then most of that content has a really toxic environment

[tired epoch]

yeah on knights watch bro hahahhaa

[gleaming kindle]

yeah Jazza is fun to watch i like his videos

[tired epoch]

thats not on shadiversity

would it make you feel better if shad said he was a radical centrist

would that make you like his videos even though the content doesnt change in them?

so fucking silly

[muted egret]

...how does that even

work?

how can you be radical and a centrist?

[hearty linden]

Don't even try xD

[tired epoch]

ascended

[soft agate]

How is that not related? That’s part of the problem with his image and presence online not just a channel thing

[swift falcon]

hmm interesting development. However I must ask. WHy not also change the server name?

[soft agate]

If he said that he’d be fucking lying

[tired epoch]

the content would be exactly the same hahaha

[gleaming kindle]

theyre debating what to name it

[soft agate]

That doesn’t change the fact that it isolates people from the channel

[tired epoch]

he just hurt your feelings with his politics and now you cant watch a video about giant carbon fibre swords because he was political in something you watched 6 hours ago

[muted egret]

but yeah ngl the main reason I hang around is this server has the best memes channel

[swift falcon]

ah okay fair.

[hearty linden]

I still say they could use a work in progress name in the meanwhile, like Shart

[soft agate]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[gleaming kindle]

yeah thatd work

[tired epoch]

the cowardly left

[swift falcon]

I was just going to suggest Pyroverse or something, but well. That may not be a great name to be honest :)

[rocky wren]

@swift falcon has just advanced to level 5.

[fast sluice]

obvious troll is obvious

[muted egret]

Shartverse les go?

[tired epoch]

you guys are so sensitive hahaha

[gleaming kindle]

yeah despite the fact i definitely dont agree with his views, i kept watching for the entertainment

[rocky wren]

@gleaming kindle has just advanced to level 5.

[hearty linden]

Well, right now it surely is "Pyro and the multi-channels of madness" within the server

[swift falcon]

true

[tired epoch]

Nooo you are not meant to do that!!! He's THE ENEMY!!!

[gleaming kindle]

doesnt really matter, it doesnt effect me

[swift falcon]

yeah same here. I'm really only here for the memes and the map channel for inspiration.

[soft agate]

I think hanging out with racist assholes like Nerdrotic while also saying homophobic crap is across the line

[tired epoch]

soy

[gleaming kindle]

hes in Australia, im in America. our political views may not agree, it doesnt exactly effect me personally

[polar crystal]

There is more wrong with this Server than Shad...

[rocky wren]

@polar crystal has just advanced to level 42.

[gleaming kindle]

i assume thats on knights watch?

[soft agate]

Yeah

[gleaming kindle]

cuz i dont watch that

[soft agate]

Good

[tired epoch]

why does it matter then lmao just dont watch

[soft agate]

Completely fair. I’m fine with watching people I don’t agree with, there’s just a line I don’t cross

[clear ravine]

If we can go back to being about suggestions about the discord server that'd be great

[tired epoch]

shadyversity

[gleaming kindle]

changing the name to Shartiversity or Shart seems pretty fitting

[tired epoch]

Chudiversity

[solar arch]

@simple quartz had it comming cults always instill the most heinous of points of views

[swift falcon]

right. call it pyroverse or something as a temporary wip name to bridge the gap to when you've actually come up with a good name.

[gleaming kindle]

or just like something that represents us medieval enthusiasts that dont associate with Shad

[muted egret]

[boreal pier]

pyroverse may lead people to thinking it's connected to other yter

[simple quartz]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/760488566228516885/1233385596496646244/592a5ae09263d6258c2494c23e201c47.gif

[soft agate]

Call it Shart Mart with a medieval Walmart logo

[gleaming kindle]

Mediverse but pronounce it like Metaverse so its confusing

[swift falcon]

okay. Castleverse then? (Can't say I have heard of a youtuber going by the name pyro, but then again that is a pretty generic name so likely to be a thing yeah)

it even fits the picture of a castle

[tired epoch]

Maybe call it COMMIEversity because that seems to be all it is!!! A cesspit of commies!!!

[polar crystal]

Least bad name anyone has suggested so far.

[simple quartz]

i think the caslte is a place holder

[swift falcon]

yeah but so is the name (a placeholder until some name professional comes up with an actually good one :)

[boreal pier]

Machicolationverse

[gleaming kindle]

we can ditch the "verse" part of the name too

[fast sluice]

Alternative Server name: "Notyourversity"

[gleaming kindle]

not even close

[solar arch]

Medievalverity

[worn garnet]

Im just curious as to why shad wants ownership NOW

[polar crystal]

Call it "The Barbican" or something.

[tired epoch]

false

[swift falcon]

yeah that does seem a bit weird

[gleaming kindle]

hell call it a Tavern

Pyro's Tavern or some shit

[clear ravine]

Presumably someone told him we were considering some changes. He could've worked with us if he really didn't want something.

And speculating more, trying to grasp to an audience mayhaps

[worn garnet]

He has openly talked about the channel struggling

[clear ravine]

Either way, it is how it is

[swift falcon]

that latter reason I guess makes sense (except I heard very few people on this server are really interested still in shad)

[simple quartz]

Court of Bastions

[worn garnet]

Baskerville

[clear ravine]

(he wouldn't know that since he hasn't been here for years would he )

[swift falcon]

Yeah that is a good point

[clear ravine]

Realistically the server had already grown away

but it could've been handled a lot better than this

[worn garnet]

Tavern's, Wenches, and Mead

Idfk

[gleaming kindle]

calling people wenches feels wrong

[worn garnet]

But its kinda funny

[gleaming kindle]

true

[clear ravine]

I mean we already call newcomers serfs

Although you do at least outgrow that very quickly lol

[swift falcon]

looks at own role

[polar crystal]

Not for long, if they actually participate...

[gleaming kindle]

serf is just another word for servant is it not?

[tired epoch]

no

[simple quartz]

im trying to think about names that would include the other sword community groups lol

[tired epoch]

peasant

[boreal pier]

and as long as the participation is outside of memes

[swift falcon]

wait memes doesn't count?

[gleaming kindle]

serves the same purpose

[boreal pier]

yup no xp from memes

[tired epoch]

chudiversity

[worn garnet]

Could rename the peasants to pheasants

[gleaming kindle]

what is your obsession with chuds

[tired epoch]

chud

[simple quartz]

Insurgent swords

[boreal pier]

he's a troll

[tired epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/swagger-billions-must-die-chud-wojak-soyjak-gif-9373396409961113206

[fast sluice]

bro is baiting because obvious troll

[gleaming kindle]

clearly

[boreal pier]

he's been trying to start shit non stop

[tired epoch]

youre just too sensitive dawg

[gleaming kindle]

im just confused why

[boreal pier]

nothing better to do with himself

[tired epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/itsover-wojack-gif-4367840179675491690

[gleaming kindle]

like whys he still here if thats the case

[tired epoch]

Shadiversity is OVER

[polar crystal]

I admit, I more or less became inactive here after some mod complained I was posting too long stuff in Worldbuilding.

[fast sluice]

reduced brain activity

[worn garnet]

Could call the server the Chadlands

[tired epoch]

Career SUICIDE

[gleaming kindle]

like that of a 12 year old it would seem

[tired epoch]

pronouns in bio

[swift falcon]

isn't that the whole point of worldbuilding though?

[polar crystal]

You would think, wouldn't you?

[gleaming kindle]

OH GOD BASIC ENGLISH SO SCARY

[worn garnet]

Tbh there is something to being concise, but yeah

[tired epoch]

are you a they?

[fast sluice]

Anywho, my third alternative server title: "Rebrandenburg"

[worn garnet]

Heh

[balmy cipher]

Wow you are really coming across as someone having a break down. Are you ok?

[swift falcon]

that's not a bad name

[gleaming kindle]

everyone is, "they" came before the singular "you". they is neutral

[worn garnet]

Dude why are you engaging the troll

[tired epoch]

nah cuz they is plural

[gleaming kindle]

its not

[swift falcon]

well it's complicated

[gleaming kindle]

its really not

[balmy cipher]

Fair point. Surely with how stringent the server is modded something can be done with them.

They are clearly trying to provoke

[simple quartz]

The Insurgent States

[rocky wren]

@simple quartz has just advanced to level 6.

[simple quartz]

the bot agrees

[swift falcon]

so it is decided

[tired epoch]

no its not hahaha what?

[swift falcon]

but the bot has spoken

[gleaming kindle]

basic english we learned in kindergarten isnt that complicated

[fast sluice]

Not everyone here is from english speaking country

[tired epoch]

idk bro maybe your kindergarten teacher isnt very good

the oxford dictionary agrees with me

not with you

[gleaming kindle]

ok?

[tired epoch]

This is that goon shit

Fuck up your whole afternoon shit

I'm aware I'm a wolf 🐺🐺

Soon as the moon hit 🌕

[gleaming kindle]

why do you have the mental capacity of a child

[tired epoch]

🐺

[gleaming kindle]

do you need help?

[feral ravine]

wtf are you talking about?

[tired epoch]

I'm aware I'm a king

[gleaming kindle]

like at this point im genuinely concerned for your mental wellbeing

[balmy cipher]

How do we report this?

[tired epoch]

Back out the tomb bitch

[simple quartz]

Insurgent Renaissance sounds perfect but also may be too long lol

[tired epoch]

@gleaming kindle Come on, homie, what happened

[polar crystal]

"InRenn"

[simple quartz]

Insurgent States

whichever would be my suggestions for the server name lol

[gleaming kindle]

i stopped engaging in pointless npc dialogue options

[tired epoch]

Four in the morning, and I'm zoning

[gleaming kindle]

then go to sleep

[balmy cipher]

I somehow like that

[tired epoch]

I think I'm possessed

it's an omen

[polar crystal]

I converted it to Newspeak.

[tired epoch]

I keep it 300 like the Romans

[gleaming kindle]

im gonna go make food

[balmy cipher]

Haha noticed that, it made me pause but ... still kinda like it

[polar crystal]

Romans?

[tired epoch]

300 bitches, where the Trojans?

[boreal pier]

I mean, it follows the rules of how newspeak shortens and simplifies things, but I think even thinking the word insurgent would be a thought crime

[tired epoch]

I am a God

Even though I'm a man of God, my whole life in the hand of God

So y'all better quit playin' with God

[gleaming kindle]

god doesnt exist

[polar crystal]

Undoubtedly, though odds are the exact meaning of the "In" would be retconned to something else eventually, anyway.

[boreal pier]

defo

[tired epoch]

I just talked to Jesus

He said, "What up, /¤£${{?"

[rocky wren]

@tired epoch has just advanced to level 23.

[gleaming kindle]

was he a white man?

[tired epoch]

I said, "Shit—I'm chillin' Tryna stack these millions"

[tired epoch]

I know he the most high

But I am a close high

[gleaming kindle]

im asking cause if Jesus was a real dude, he definitely wasnt white

[tired epoch]

"Mi casa, su casa" that's our cosa nostra

[gleaming kindle]

i dont speak Jar Jar Binks

[tired epoch]

I am a God

I am a God

[gleaming kindle]

congratulations

[frail walrus]

Ticket #459 opened in #1278470492658864170

[fast sluice]

This escalated... actually pretty slowly. Though bloke will be out faster.

[boreal pier]

lets just appreciate the peace while it lasts

[minor gale]

What escalated? The whole server change?

[boreal pier]

I think he's talking about that loso clown derailing shit with his trolling

[minor gale]

Ohh, ye

[clear ravine]

I think the spam bot got LOSO

😂

[boreal pier]

lmao

[minor gale]

Hahaha

RIP

[glacial willow]

Your an autistic Swedish twink

[rocky wren]

@glacial willow has just advanced to level 5.

[glacial willow]

Lol

[clear ravine]

@tired epoch spam bot got ya lol

[glacial willow]

Nah he's just like that

[red marlin]

!mute @tired epoch Trolling

[frail walrus]

🔇 Muted loso1 for 10 minutes

If you believe a mute has been issued falsely, please direct message @ember fulcrum or a server admin (Earl) to make your case. Muted members can additionally appeal actions directly to staff in #jail. Failure to follow the correct procedures will only serve to escalate the situation needlessly. :warning:

[mild flax]

I came here a lot of time ago, never actually posted, but I did read some of the amazing discussions
Sorry to hear you had a falling out with the man, but he clearly hadn't the best intentions in mind

Well, the king is dead... Long live the king?

[red marlin]

!log 100

[frail walrus]

https://yagpdb.xyz/public/454767470507589653/log/6514

[hearty linden]

Well, if you've been enjoying the server as of late, you shouldn't notice much changes then

[minor gale]

Pyro, get some sleep lol

[hearty linden]

Pyro should be like this by now

[red marlin]

agreed

[clear ravine]

First we need to glue colt to the server

[hearty linden]

Here

[autumn vortex]

Oh gee, never saw this coming. No, not me 🤷 gee whiz. Gracious.

[clear ravine]

Hi Ben 😂

[autumn vortex]

Oh hey

[knotty dock]

I am even not been subscribed to Shad for years... around the time he really started to incoherently bloat the content and shameless add bad ad, other than just being wrong on many topics

[autumn vortex]

Likewise. I think I'm still subbed, but I've just not had any interest in the videos, even on knights watch

[south salmon]

I haven't been active on this server since I realized what kind of person Shad is(I didn't realize that he didn't own the server and that he didn't really care about it) but I hope u guys succeed in whatever u decide to do. Shad wanting ownership of the server after several years of not caring just tells me he wants it for selfish purposes and doesn't care about the community built here. I personally don't think Shad should have ownership of the server because at this point, this community doesn't belong to him, it may be related to him but imo he has no right to try to claim ownership over it. I would hate to see what might happen if he got ownership of the server.

Edit: wording to make it a bit more clear

[ionic quail]

My rec to @clear ravine would be for the new brand to be kinda simple, maybe something like The Keep/The Castle/The Citadel, would kinda get the vibe across. I mean the whole channel system is basically structured around a castle anyway

[hearty linden]

Of those, the Castle has a nice ring to the whole concept, I like it

[low meadow]

I agree

[ionic quail]

And if someone sees a server called that on one of those server list sites, it’s pretty obviously a historical/fantasy vibe

[vale estuary]

Tbh i dont come here for shadiscussion
Its the history channels

[knotty dock]

I've already seen a story like this with my HEMA club, which is an association of associations. Basically they wanted to have total control on the single club, but put no boundaries or plan forward.

(Sala d'Arme Achille Marozzo, Italy. Which is still the biggest HEMA association in Italy by number, but very bad under both teaching and competitive aspects for different reasons)

[novel swift]

Did he start removing u from the vids before it after asking for ownership

[balmy cipher]

From my understanding of the timeline he hasn't been putting the discord link in the videos for a long time.
He also never owned the server as it was a community set up and run job

[novel swift]

Will need confirmation from owners of this server

[rocky wren]

@novel swift has just advanced to level 2.

[novel swift]

But

[hearty linden]

He wasn't putting the discord from quite a long time already

[balmy cipher]

Ok, well, do a search on the thread then because it is mentioned above

[hearty linden]

Mostly since the time he was wrong and didn't liked when people here that had more knowledge on certain topics pointed so

[balmy cipher]

While you are at it, do a search on Shad's last comments and the dates lol

[ionic quail]

Yeah. And we were always explicitly a community run server. I think some of the old links even say that

[hearty linden]

That too, started by basically "a rando" and it was endorsed by Shad for a while, but not made by him or by someone else on his behalf

[novel swift]

I think people don't understand that such serves need to have the YouTuber as owner or at control
Cuz if anything bad happens it's his responsibility

Same happened with jacksepticeye subreddit server
It was made only based on subreddit
But it got kill switched basically cuz jacksepticeye wasn't there and it was under another management which they could make mistakes or say some controversial things and it would all be in jack's face

Even tho it was clearly called subreddit and it had tens of thousands

I would understand tho if shad became owner and let the server as it was just adding his people as well to reinforce his rules that might not be here (like controversial stuff)

[hearty linden]

The thing, as I've seen it, is that ost of the regular active people "moved away" from Shad and his content a long time ago, and the server has been having a life of it's own without him

[novel swift]

That tends to happen in most server

After all this is a discord server

[hearty linden]

So, a server not made by him, that moved away from him and where he hasn't been active at in any real way... no sense in giving it to him, I'd say

[novel swift]

It's meant to be a community

Thriving on it's own

Not waiting for uploads

[hearty linden]

In fact, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one considering leaving if Shad now took active control and excerted his will here

[balmy cipher]

I don't think that it's important to have the server rotate around a YouTuber who isn't interested in participating and engaging in the server and that the community does not really focus on.

That's it really

[novel swift]

Ok, but u are acting like his will is changing the server into Barbie theme

He probably wouldn't change much

Most of the channels here are gonna continue

[balmy cipher]

Well, he hasn't spoken yet.
Nothing is stopping him from chatting with us now

[hearty linden]

I've dealt with him and have seen how he takes when someone doesn't agrees with him (and you don't have a huge channel of your own that could bring him more viewers)

My own experience, of course, but it's there

[novel swift]

I understand
If he isn't active, he doesn't deserve to keep making changes or deleting channels and stuff (lest they are problematic)

However ownership doesn't necessarily means changing anything
More than having the power to do so if the server gone wild or did something that would harm him or the shadversty
After all he can't put the discord in his videos if he doesn't have control over it

It's like promoting a site that has ur name on it and the site starts posting CP

And u have no control over site

Or a say on what's posted

[balmy cipher]

Ok, sure, so why should he be owner of the server?

[hearty linden]

Well, I think most enjoy actual HEMA and well researched history, that would put Shad and his content at odds

[balmy cipher]

And he can put the discord in videos, he used to before he got upset here

[novel swift]

Have u read nothing of what i said so far
It's under his name

Only way for him not to be in control

[balmy cipher]

But it isn't his

[novel swift]

Is changing server name

Affiliation

And anything that hints that way

[balmy cipher]

So what

[polar crystal]

The server name needs to be changed, to be sure.

[balmy cipher]

Ok I'm going cause you seem to be tilting at windmills on behalf of someone who doesn't care about the server

[polar crystal]

Of course, finding something people will actually agree on...

[novel swift]

Yes, if u don't want shad to have ownership, understandable

But u have to absolutely cut ties with it while changing name server pic and description and if it's link has the name should be changed as well

[rocky wren]

@novel swift has just advanced to level 3.

[polar crystal]

This server name needs to be changed, and Shad needs to make his own server, and promote it on his channel.

[balmy cipher]

The Castle or The Keep were good suggestions before

[balmy cipher]

Which is what people have been suggesting lol

[novel swift]

And that's totally cool if certain conditions are absent

[autumn vortex]

You're dealing with incomplete information here. Shad has never cared for the server in the slightest. He's never engaged with the community, except for some time when this server was first created, and he's never reached out to the fans here.

The only reason there was any sort of community engagement was when myself and the other game knights (before i left) would reach out and participate in discussions and such. Shad has always remained aloof.

There was even a time when he considered deleting the entire server completely because (and he's even said this in videos he's done) he hates discord.

There's no logical reason for him to want to take control now, and he's given no reason as to why he wants said control or what his plans are.

This server has always been a community server and has run independent of shad.

[novel swift]

True
Cutting ties with this one from his part as well

[chrome quiver]

We should demand a reason from him on why he wants to remain the name of the server outside having a big ego.

[novel swift]

I was talking about people wanting to just remove it's official affiliation with the channel but keep the name and keep the community based on him

[ionic quail]

We are cutting ties with the brand. The process was underway since before Shad wanted control of the server

[knotty dock]

He can't put the Discord in his video if he doesn't have control over it
This doesn't make any sense. He put links for sponsors, and he definitely doesn't have control over them

[rocky wren]

@knotty dock has just advanced to level 11.

[ionic quail]

That’s just the current status of the server. We’re an “official community run” server whatever that means. Founded, owned and run fully by the community since the start, without much interest from Shad

[polar crystal]

Shad doesn't own the server, so he can't demand control over it, only that it remove his name from it.

[knotty dock]

Of course he can put the link, as he did in the past. Claiming ownership could be something that makes sense, just not in this case, as explained in the announcement post.

[ionic quail]

Exactly. Which is what was under discussion anyway

[novel swift]

It's a different thing
Than saying yo i promote this sponsor (partnership) that sells swords here it is, and then the sword company turns out to be unhinged he can just say i didn't know that would happen I can't see the future

And between saying hey this is the channels discord and community where it's about us and then unhinged things happen here and he be like whoops i know it's under my name and i am there but i don't have control sorry guys

[knotty dock]

Just pointing out that you are making a fallacious argument

[novel swift]

It is not

[knotty dock]

You explained why, you just don't recognize it

[novel swift]

It is a good argument i just didn't give a single example of everything cuz i don't wanna write an essay

[ionic quail]

Anyway the server isn’t going to have Shad’s name on it for much longer

So control won’t be an issue

[fickle bay]

[knotty dock]

If Shad was not more involved in the server, it's not the server fault

[novel swift]

Yea if that's the case that would solve the problem

[knotty dock]

Why does this server has this emoji?

[fickle bay]

Long story but

[ionic quail]

It should, but it also kinda is the problem.

Cos we were talking about rebrand already (after Shad had been inactive for years), and it was only after someone told Shad we were rebranding that he broke silence and asked Pyro for ownership

So Shad’s motives are a mystery to me at least. But I haven’t seen the convo that took place

[novel swift]

I think point is very simple (even tho some refuse to understand my point)

Point is u can't have it under his name and refuse to give him control (there probably is a law for that even)

So it's either changing name and affiliation completely
Or giving him control over it

Or at the very least
Name the server and brand it as a fan server
Or a community server

In the name itself

[autumn vortex]

Nah Shad has no legal claim to the server. Yes, it was made in relation to his business, but he has never had ownership. It's a community made server that discusses his channel, among other things.

[novel swift]

Then u have a case where u can keep everything without shad's control

[ionic quail]

You’re right, it wouldn’t be ethical to deliberately impersonate it. But we’re clearly branded as a community server, and it’s called “Shadiverse” anyway

I think that the problem here is probably that Shad doesn’t want us to change the name of the server

[knotty dock]

LOLOLOLOL I've searched Shad messages... if the account is shadmbrooks, I've 50% more messages than him, and I barely participated in this

[autumn vortex]

precisely. He's never wanted to participate much

[ionic quail]

Last message, 3 years ago

Says it all

[novel swift]

If it doesn't state that it's a community server then he might have (not a lawyer)

But try making a tiktok account for example called Nintendo and post stuff you will probably get fricked if they find u out

But if u add Nintendo unofficial commun to the name u should be good

[knotty dock]

That makes me more qualified to claim ownership

[autumn vortex]

It does state that it's a community server though.

[knotty dock]

Admins, I demand to transfer ownership to this server to me!

[ionic quail]

It does say it’s a community server, and Shad also always described it as community run

Many in the community just want a more general server- he never engaged with this place so it kind of has a life of its own