Dethrone Shad

[crimson field]

Let's dethrone Shad.

We're removed from the videos. the only influx is perhaps from some old videos that he hasnt removed us from yet. or the Disboard that Pyro set up.

The server is dying. Shad is hindering the server. Him and none of his team communicate in here. They probs don't even read anything. They don't even help promote Shad stuff like for example where people should go for merch or his book or his projects or whatever.

None of the new people stay for long or become active. Getting mods is a pain. None of the shad channels are really being actively used except to spam videos. And it's doubtful any of those videos actually get read by his team.

Then there's other stuff like a lot of the time the shad discussions that happen once every week or 2 weeks (if that), will often get pretty toxic.

There's no benefit to keeping him around and it seems like he doesn't want us around. Shad's own level is that of a freeman. None of his team give a shit either. He removes us from videos so he can add more sponsorships and affiliate programs and other stuff to bring in the cash.

I'd say it's kind of mutually agreed that we should part ways. I mean that's what happened with the subreddit, right? Shad and his team didn't have access to moderation or at least not to the same degree, but those inactive mods didn't do anything or help them get it. It seems like it took ages. But they did succeed.

And now the subreddit is dead. The only interaction you get is on stuff where people basically get called out by the mods. The rest is just reposts of content, simple advertisements, with zero engagement.
The anti-shad subreddit Shadwatch is way more active.

Most of the Shad stuff actively hinders moderation, at least back in the day. the Knights Watch shit and Ai talks are toxic as fuck. The toxic trolls and all that shit is probs why Princeps left.

Why not change direction? Dethrone Shad!

[grand ferry]

Yeah I think it's time our little community moved on from Shad. The server isn't even about him anymore, it's just about general fiction and history discussion and such. Now I vaguely remember hearing that he owns the server, in which case the mods could create a new one and we can migrate to it.

[minor gale]

Although I'm only a lowly peasant, this seems pretty reasonable. So long as it's for practical and not political reasons, it should, if anything, improve the server. And what more could we ask?

[deep surge]

You have my Drivers license

https://tenor.com/view/aragorn-ii-elessar-sword-my-sword-lotr-gif-13928138

[nocturne wasp]

Not a bad suggestion in theory (basically I agree with all your points), but I foresee several issues (beyond "Pyro just won't do it").

For one, it might be that the problem with the Shad channels being toxic is less Shad, and more the people in it; or at least a combination of both. Just look at disputatio... [Or even better, don't.]

Two, related to that, I think quite a few people would try to riot if the Shad channels are removed. Although to them I'd suggest making their own Shad appreciation server, as this one has mostly moved past him.

Three, and maybe the most important question, how should the server be rebranded after this? Especially in a way that people would still find it. I suppose new people join here quite often without knowing Shad (or at least without watching his videos), no idea how they find here, tbh.
But with a name change, what would be the new name? And the theme? I guess medieval/castle-related channel names can stay, but what keeps the History Corner + Library + inn + together?

So idk if it's worth it. [Obviously this is from the perspective of someone who is barely active and doesn't really care about anything except History Corner and occasionally blaming Pence; but there are just my two pence cents on the matter.]

[grand ferry]

Many of us are of different political opinions but still get along. Like me and @crimson field don't agree on such things all the time but we're still friends.

[nocturne wasp]

Though I suppose point 3 is sort of moot, as the Shad theme is mostly a facade at this point, as you pointed out.

[crimson field]

Pyro also just doesn't do anything atm though

[nocturne wasp]

I think Pyro owns the server, but I'm not sure
Devon used to own it, at least, which I know cause Shad didn't join first and also didn't know the secret channel

But maybe after that falling out, Shad took over himself?

[crimson field]

from my perspective, Colt is the only Admin that does work, I don't know the details, but he's the onl yone really active in the server at least

[minor gale]

Exactly! It's made me quite happy to see a server where, for the most part, that isn't an issue. (Lately at least? xP)

But yeah, the point is, this seems a practical suggestion with few downsides

[nocturne wasp]

Yeah

[crimson field]

I don't think Shad owns the server, but I can definitely be wrong, however that'd just mean it wouldn't be able to. And we'd know at least. It's better to know about it than to just guess about it

I mean at that point, if I know that Shad owns the server, and there's no hope of it ever basically being managed differently, I will know when to leave. Because I knew the subreddit was dead when Shad took over

Anyway I don't really care about political differences. The issue was that we'd get a lot of trolls due to Shad's content, not due to normal opinions.

Since Shad is a youtuber in the political sphere, he would attract trolls and other shitheads and not just people with different opinions.

[minor gale]

If the idea of migrating is already being floated, how impossible would it be to simply migrate the people who want to have the non-shad version, and leave the rest to do what they want?

[nocturne wasp]

Kills all the old content

[crimson field]

Yes, and it'd mean setting up a new mod team with someone willing to do the work and such.

You'd lose a lot of material that's actively being used here, like in Library and History and such

I think a lot of people in those areas really use a lot of the content there a lot

[nocturne wasp]

And would be practically impossible to do I think; most people aren't actually that active
Most activity is from some core users, and then lots of different "low level" people being active in small increments, or being really active for a short time and then leaving, and such

Yeah, the History Corner has carefully curated pins, but also often references older posts

[crimson field]

Yeah but HC is also dictatore'd by tyrant Eol

lmao, he keeps it clean, but he's not really the fairest of them all according to the mirror on the wall

[grand ferry]

Many tyrants to overthrow

[crimson field]

I mean from my perspective, the mod team is just dead or close to dead.

In most cases or all cases the discord suggestions is literally a meme.

There ha been done so little from the discord-suggestions over the past year or two, that there's no reason for the community to even consider using it, except to apply and remove the drgn-list role

[minor gale]

If the mod team is dead, that's one less problem for moving servers. Might be worth keeping in mind as a last resort

But then again, I doubt I'd be willing to put that much work in, so... Yeah lol

[crimson field]

In the current situation, with the community being ignored by Shad and most of the mod team, or at least the mod team being dead, it means we cannot have any community initiatives unless we rebrand or move

so I'm open to moving, but preferably not. I agree with what Witchking said, it's a shame to lose so much amazing content and a lot of amazing pins and server history. But if Shad is the owner, then we basically have no choice, if we do want to do it eventually

I mean I've personally floated the idea of just leaving the server already, and I think Shad, or perhaps Shad's trolls, or Shadlovers, or Shad's haters have scared off plenty of amazing people over the years. Especially since moderation and the rules around it are supre inflexible and not community driven.

The current rules are in part dictated by Shad, but all of them rely on the mod team's interpretations with basically zero input from the community

[minor gale]

Since moving is a last resort, the next step would be to get in direct contact with any active mods, correct?

[crimson field]

I mean Colt is active, but I don't know if he knows whether Shad is the owner, or Pyro

[minor gale]

I'd hate to see the server die from an Exodus without anything new being made :/

[crimson field]

I think back in Devon's days, the transfer was done to Pyro

[crimson field]

Yeah, cuz you risk splitting up the community and destroying both.

[nocturne wasp]

Just going to @red marlin and @clear ravine

[crimson field]

w00t w00t thanks Witchking

[minor gale]

Thankee

[crimson field]

At least if we rebrand the Shad stuff, then we'd also be able to get rid of the shad content and the shad ping rule, and nobody would harass shad with pings.

[minor gale]

How many mods are there, btw?

Other than those pinged

[crimson field]

I don't know, a lot of the mods left, some of the remaining mods are highly inactive.

[minor gale]

Gotcha

[crimson field]

Saylem, Killjoy, Eol, Old One Jou, Admiral Dandy (Morgan), Colt, Xandark, Pyro. Link, Cookiepasta. There's also Zubb the Zombie. Also Christy

[grand ferry]

Yeah, I hardly see any of the mods anymore

[crimson field]

Yes

I think there's 1 or 2 more

I forgot woh they are 🤣

one of the new ones is a mod, but he's never here

so I forgot his name.

If you look at the warnings, almost 95% are now done by OOJ

[nocturne wasp]

Looks like Pyro is the server owner
For one, the info channel says so
And for two, there's this #tavern message

So it looks like Princeps was wrong

[crimson field]

what did Princeps say?

Oh well done Witchking

very smart

[minor gale]

Well this seems like good news

[crimson field]

ok so Pyro is the server owner according to the tavern (the bot says so) and the info says so. King Shad seems to just be a glorified role probably with access to the mod channels. Info thanks to Witchkign.

might just be a custom moderator role

[nocturne wasp]

Christy is still technically a mod, it looks like
Didn't she quit? 🤔

[crimson field]

que?

[nocturne wasp]

I tried to correct it from "que" to "she", and now it says "sue"

There

[crimson field]

oh yeah

she's a mod apparently

It took ages to find a message form her 🤣

[nocturne wasp]

She said something about Shad being the server owner, which I saw when I was looking through messages just now

[crimson field]

that b*****

lmao

well that's why she gone, ignorant peasant!

🤣

Ah well a shame she's gone

so we have 12 or 13 mods 🤣

[minor gale]

Geez

So many, yet so few active (apparently)

[clear ravine]

Aside from yeeting all the Shad channels, what would you like to see changed? What improvements would you like for this place that can't happen right now (well cleaning up channels is a pro already 😂)

[grand ferry]

Yeeting the Shad connection is important

[crimson field]

I don't think we really need any NSFW or nudity, but I do think we are a bit strict at times. It's fine if this remains a 13+ server with no NSFW

[grand ferry]

Also it feels like rules aren't consistent

[limpid kraken]

A poll to measure serious interest might be helpful towards getting more input and action. Most people in gatehouse have joked about declaring independence to varying degrees, but we'd have to know whether those who are mostly here for specific topic discussions would find it worthwhile. Sociology is not my forte, but it seems to me that shadiverse (the discord) has already grown into something semi-independent from shadiversity (the youtube channel), and to disconnect all the individual subjects we have here without something else to unite them under might give us something with less community than before.

[grand ferry]

Edited

[crimson field]

Well I did open a ticket dure to some rule 'application' 🤣 which is being handled by the mods currently

[limpid kraken]

Which is a whole lot of blabbing to say, if we're going to disband from shad, what will be the common theme that keeps all of our various genres co-operative? I'm probably overthinking the hell out of this, but to be candid, this is somewhat of a safe space for me and I really don't want to see this community become another mindless hive of infighting between self-absorbed cliques.

sorry for the sudden text wall lol

[crimson field]

No, it's important to voice your concerns.

One of the reasons why I brought this up was because the discord-suggestions, and the community suggestions was basically a meme.

and I think ensuring that we use more community input in the future and more community engagement would be beneficial.

Well one thing I need changed is the motherbleeping bot that's muting and warning me every bleeping 5 minutes. dear god 🤣
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[nocturne wasp]

For me, I think removing the chad channels (with a grace period of them being archived, I'd say, so people can copy important comments or links) and the shad emotes would be enough at first
Then see what happens

Though I would like to see a bit more active mod team, even if it's not really necessary in the few channels I visit [ofc this also relies on people actually applying]

[crimson field]

I'd like at least some more transparancy, like who is part of the mod team. I pesonally think there's no need to have 13 mods, especially if they are part of the decisionmakers. I dont want the communtiy to be managed by people who havent been here in 2 to 6 months

[grand ferry]

Yeah the staff list should be updated.

And I think the rules should be revised to be more clear.

[crimson field]

plus if the mods do decide on important matters, i.e. changing rules, etc etc. I'd like to see more about the voting and actions being taken. I dont need the vodes to be public knowledge (as in I dont need to see who voted what)

I mean part of the reason Devon back in the day could fuck over so much with his NSFW porn channel, was due to no transparancy and supreme power

[grand ferry]

Might be a good idea to do polls as changes are implemented, to get feeling on what everyone wants for the server.

[crimson field]

yes

I mean this process doesn't need to be a complete 180 or happen overnight

I think that as the process goes well for the community and people see it's working and having an effect, people might be enthused to join in more

I mean one thing I'd like changed is the dictatorship or monpoly that the mod team has on the rules, currently I have a ticket open about the interpretation of rule 1.4 (the politics and religious one) and there is literally almost no feedback to me on what the mod team is doing and ZERO to the rest of the community

I understand that the mod team has to 'moderate' and therefore has a huge influence on the process, which I understand, since the burden is on them to moderate... However, it's not just a large influence, or a huge influence atm. It's total domination with zero transparency

[grand ferry]

Yeah while I do like a lot of the mods it feels like the mod team hasn't really adapted to how the community has changed. Which tbh circles back to our connection to Shad.

[crimson field]

well I like most of the mods, but most of the mods aren't doing anything.

I like Xandark and Pyro, but they're inactive. I also like Saylem and Cookie and Christy and Grub, also inactive

I mean Eol is managing the HC, OOJ is managing Library but also the rest. sometimes one of the others does a warn, and I think Colt bans people

[red marlin]

Wbat

[crimson field]

w00t w00t hi Colt

I'm staging a coup d'etat

get wrecked!

[red marlin]

I am in the mountains

What?!

[crimson field]

no worries, it's not urgent.

it'll be over when you get back 🤣

[grand ferry]

I don't think I've ever actually interacted with Grub

[grand ferry]

Go drink some moonshine

[red marlin]

no still

[limpid kraken]

I'm not sure simply getting rid of the shad channels will work. I don't know if making a new server is better (let alone easier), but deleting the shad channels would likely only piss off his remaining supporters here, not get rid of that influence.

[limpid kraken]

And I don't like labeling people as problems, but if they just continue to drag others down, then that is a problem and there needs to be accountability at some point. Free speech is great, but it shouldn't be wasted on bickering with no real value to anyone involved. On that note, I feel like I'm blabbing again so I'll try to shut up for now.

[atomic slate]

In summary, we shall appoint a committee that shall appoint another committee that shall vote in unanimous triplicate on whether or not we actually do something.

Jokes aside, the reason I'm here (thus, the reason others might similarly join) is because I was looking for the highest member count #writing servers on Disboard. I saw this server in the top six and figured "Shad is recognizable, I generally liked some of the videos he's made, the server seems to include writing feedback, so letsa go." I'm here for the writing, not Shad. It doesn't functionally matter if he's here or not; only what I find as I try to engage here.

The only drama that's going to scare me away is interpersonal conflict that isn't moderated righteously. Otherwise, I don't care about the politics/technicalities of the server. I just want to write, laugh, and share with fellow nerds.

[crimson field]

Well isn't the influence basically gone? I thought the only remaining shad supporter was Swordsmyth

Plus it's not as if you cannot discuss Shad in the context of the differeng topics. Shad's writing can be discussed in Library, Shad's politics and KW can be discussed in Politics

It won't be like we're banning the mention of Shad, it just means that it wont have dedicated channels anymore.

Plus I think its good to see if there are actually any remaining shad supporters. That would give us a better idea of how strong the inquistion needs to be 🤣

[limpid kraken]

Lol idk I just know folks used to complain about overbearing shad followers quite a bit; I don't usually pay attention to that kind of drama though

[crimson field]

I mean they seem to have died, considering the state of the shad channels

[limpid kraken]

Since the talk about leaving Shad behind started, I just assumed that would go hand in hand with any toxic followers of his still around. But great news if that already resolved itself lol

[crimson field]

I mean if they are toxic, they should be removed xD

[grand ferry]

Calling this server "Shadiversity" is also sorta false advertising at this point, so if more Shad viewers pop up they'll probably be very disappointed

[minor gale]

Whow, did not expect this to be ongoing when i returned

[minor gale]

As a newish member, I can confidently say that the shad content here has had no effect on my desire to stay

[crimson field]

it's because it has none 🤣

the absence of it

[minor gale]

Lmao

That really is true

[steel charm]

I object to yeeting the Shad channels
If the server wants to rebrand that's fine, but there's no reason to yeet the channels

And Shad didn't leave the server, the server left him
The amount of Shad hate that the server staff themselves engage in is shocking

[grand ferry]

Thing is having shad centered channels if we rebrand would be really strange. It'd make sense to get rid of those channels and just move those discussions to media like with all other YouTuber content.

Rebranding to distance ourselves from Shad but keeping the Shad centered channels just wouldn't make any sense and would further confuse any potential newcomers.

Hell I just looked through the Knights Watch channels, no one even talks in them anymore, it's just people dropping video links

[nocturne wasp]

And Shad didn't leave the server, the server left him
Pretty sure he never came back after being told he's in fact wrong about brigandines
So idk
While he's still technically in the server, that sounds a lot like leaving

Besides, to me it seems antithetical to have Shad channels in a server where the staff apparently engages in a "shocking" amount of Shad hate

That's exactly what Silimas was also saying, people aren't here to talk about Shad's content; it's either just link spam, or fighting over Shad between Shad lovers and Shad haters

Imo the two should just be split; turn this server de jure in what it already de facto is, a non-Shad server
And make a separate, more focused Shad server, for his actual viewers

With non-Shad-hating staff

[steel charm]

Shad left because of the disrespectful way he was treated, the server had already left him long before
A split would be better than just yeeting the Shad channels

[steel charm]

@clear ravine the people who run the Living Anachronism server have a proposal if you decide to rebrand
They will send friend requests so you can DM
beerculesthegreat and randykalff
I can also pass on an invite to the LA server in a DM if you want

[crimson field]

And what is the proposal?

At least my proposal in this case is for a community oriented rebrand.

I don't know the specifics of why Shad left. I did read up on the situation in the channels, but I personally think the staff don't really engage in "Shad hate". It's just criticism. I think the moderation towards Shad at least when he's not present has been really fair. Plus Shad did just 'leave' the server metaphorically.

Shad could've engaged in any number of ways to deal with it, including his team. At no point in time have they done so. Plus, it's not necessary for him to be in channels he dislikes being criticised in. He could've been in the Shad-centered channels, or do any number of other things. I'm not saying he has to be here for all of the stuff, he's very busy. But none of his staff at all the past 6 months or year either?

So yes, Shad has abandoned it. Plus from what I read, the level of criticism Shad got in those situations never exceeded the threshold for needing to be warned. I.e. there was no need to issue a warning or a reprimand. Does Shad need special treatment unlike the rest of the members of the server?

anyway I do not mind that Shad has 'left' or whatever. It's all his own choice. But him removing us from the all recent videos, and zero engagement at all from him and his team, and also no information even given regarding his own 'business' i.e. where to direct people at times means he is completely uninterested.

And that's fine for me. But it's clear that the server is dying, and it was for multiple reasons. Being a shad community server in large part relied on being mentioned in his videos, just like with many other creators.

Anyway I have been probably treated disrespectfully way more than Shad over the years in the server, as a user, and as a moderator. 🤣 In the end, if there is an issue with moderation standards, you should do something about it.

Remember when Shad did something about it with Devon?

I agree with Witchking entirely. if you think the entire treatment of Shad is so horrendous, isn't it better to remove Shad branding?

I mean either from users, or mods, or whatever. then Shad, or his team, or anybody else can have a more positive server for Shad, without any competition, and any hate towards shad, with their own moderation standards.

Cuz in the end, if this is a 'community oriented server' then the standards for the moderation are set by the community, and not by Shad. But they were in part set by Shad. That means that the community can decide what level of engagement between users is appropriate.

Anyway it doesn't make sense to me to have 10 channels dedicated to a person who isn't involved, who doesn't care, who isn't persent and who the server isn't about.

video-updates is linke spam advertising for Shad.
video-suggestions is link spam to suggest videos for Shad (which he doesn't watch or read or give any inclination that he's interested in at all)
video-feedback is often just shad-hate, though the amount of comments in the past 6 months, have been roughly 1 a month. (I wouldn't call that active)
shad-video-discussion was recently active, however what was it? Again a fight, one in which you said the otehr person was provoking a fight. (i.e. apparently it's not a good environment to talk about Shad)
other-announcements is link spam advertising shad.
kw-general is again lately only with people "I lost respect for Shad" and before that, it was link spam from you Swordsmyth.
kw-fan-art has a similar amount of comments as months. Not sure if it's even about Shad, I see someone of his team, but I guess that's fine (but didn't he leave?)
knightly-news is Swordsmyth link spamming again and that's all.
kw-ke-chat has about the same amounts of comments and months, it's about KW members, who dont respond.
[08:51]☠The Vindicator☠: "What's up everyone" (14 may) and then 2+ weeks of no comment, lmao.
the-shadlands: Is even more dead than the previous channels, it has less comments than months.

The rest of the channels has seemingly already been archieved, the ones relating to SOTC

so the shad channels are generally actively against Shad and if not, they're link spams or non-engaged.

[steel charm]

The proposal has something to do with turning the LA server into an LA + Shad server
I don't know the details and they'll have to discuss it with Pyro

[crimson field]

Yeah I mean if they want to turn LA into Shad, that's fine. As long as they don't add another influencer onto this one 🤣

if there is a good place for Shad content to go, then I'm happy for Shad and his content to go there.

Regarding the shad content, all the other shad content seems to already been archived or deleted, at least I cant find SOTC or anything else anymore in the channel browser

@clear ravine Are the SOTC channels archived? I cant access them

anyway unless I'm wrong, it seems the rebrand has been happening behind the community's back. 🤣

Anyway there's no reason to link spam stuff for Shad and his team imo, if the team doesnt use any of it. There's no reason to advertise for Shad, if Shad isn't part of the server. There's also no reason to really keep the channels, if they are only attracting problems between users, or just dead. It's just a burden. Now the burden could be tolerated, if Shad was 'part of the server'

[steel charm]

@amber stone Since you are the only remaining team member who is a member here I think you should weigh in on this topic

[crimson field]

if he wants to. His last comment has been a year ago

I mean it is 'community-driven' server. "We are a community-managed Discord server for the YouTuber Shadiversity." in the info

if the community doesn't want to be for the Youtuber Shadiversity anymore, then that's the community's decision.

and btw, that's also why I'm talking about involving the greater community, not just the ones currently engaging in this thread

I think it would be almost as lacking in transparency if this was implemented without getting the community to respond and involved.

I mean the community can read these channels (including Shad, and Tyranth). They have access.

At this point, it seems to me that this isn't 'community driven' involving Shad or his team. It's just a community driven server with Shad on top of it cuz of past history / interest. I.e. it doesn't belong to Shad or his team imo.

Though if they want any of the legacy content, I ofc think it should be given to them.

the burden for moderation rests entirely upon the community, and none of it on Shad or his team.

and has done so for forever

btw if Shad tries to usurp power, I'll leave here too. Like how everybody left his subreddit after he took power (not that I blame him for wanting to moderate his own subreddit)

[bitter reef]

That was an interesting trip. I saw a few familiar faces from the old days, though unfortunately not my favorites. I'm curious to see what exactly that community dynamic is like, especially if I can have some fun times there.
It's an interesting situation with the Shadiverse server. I'm not a particularly new perspective, since I came because of Shad initially, lost interest in his new videos, then stayed for the community and memes.

[crimson field]

Proposal:
**Goal: **Dethrone Shad and decrease the powers of the Mod oligarchy and increase transparancy. Give the power to the community!
For the longest time #974930696751677450 has been a meme. Suggestions get handwaved away by mods. If they do get discussed by the mods, it's in a black box, if they do get voted on by mods, it's without any transparancy, and then it's killed off. There's a reason none of the community give a shit about most discord-discussions. Anyway we don't need to bring out the guillotine for Shad and his team, nor for the mod team, but we do need to change the situation.

Shad suggestions:

• Dehtrone Shad (remove the King Shad role, including if he has it, his mod permissions) (of course he can be part of the server, as well as his team. He can also have podium access to advertise his work)
• Remove the Shad branding. i.e. ensure people don't get misinformed that this is a Shad server (in the future) (btw this can be given a large grace period, where you redirect people potentially to a new server, or anything like that. It's fine if this is up for 6 months or a year.)
• Remove the Shad channels. (you can archive them. You can give people who need / want this, or the future Shad owner any of the info imo also with a grace period for like 6 months)
  Shad can ofcourse be discussed in any of the relevant channels.

Mod suggestions

• Don't allow the mods to only propose things in secret. If they want to prepare it in the mod area, fine, but afterwards it has to be discussed in the community. They can propose things as well of course, Shad and co as well.
• Don't allow mods to be the only voters. It's fine if Shad and co, and Mod and co also vote, but it shouldn't be exclusive to them. (At this point 13 mods or so. With like 3 actively moderating (?) . These mods can torpedo suggestions, can influence stuff, without any transparancy and any accountability.

• Actively allow #974930696751677450 to not be a meme, but allowing proposals to actually be discussed and voted on by and for the community.
• Mods should have a greater say to some degree if the mod work gets increased substantialy / significantly. I.e. if a proposal allows a bunch of bots and scammers and trolls, that would be a fine counterpoint for a suggestion.

I think anything else, or rather any big changes in other fields should be done piecemeal one by one with the community, to ensure full support so it doesn't get some kind of mixed crab bucket with stinky crabs and good crabs like politics 🤣

Feel free to critique and add to any of this.

[crimson field]

This is my suggestion. I don't think we should really discuss all of the improvements that "can't happen right now" since that'd only dilute this thread.

Having the thread get watered down, would literally torpedo this suggestion, just like discord-suggestions has been torpedo'd xD

[thick jasper]

That's me.
I have sent Pyro a DM, aiming to find a solution for everyone involved.
To clarify, I don't intend to encroach on this server, I always work with my own means.

[silver lantern]

I honestly don't have time to read all the messages here, But I definitely think this seems a fair proposal. I will admit, I'm not really active here ever anymore except in #blame_pence lol, But I do still like the server. And I've found in the past, From others I've been active on, that YouTuber servers are generally fairly reliant on the "host" YouTuber, if said YouTuber stops mentioning the discord in videos (As it sounds like has occurred here, Honestly it's been a while since I've watched any of Shad's videos.), Or stops making videos as often entirely, The server will start to die, Slowly or quickly, Until it's just a shell of its former self, And I do still like this server (Plus I think it's the first one I joined that still exists, So for that it's got a bit of a special place in my heart), So I'd like to avoid that happening here (Or, If it's already happened, Undo it lol.)

[clear ravine]

They still exist yes. They were completely dead though, so there was no need to keep specific channels for that

[ionic quail]

It’s a good idea. The server has almost nothing to do with Shad and he certainly wants nothing to do with it

[crimson field]

@clear ravine Any thoughts on my suggestion?

What do the other <@&535571460878499850> think?

[median thistle]

I do like these, and I do think it contains the best proposed ways of having improved communication between moderation and the community

[red marlin]

does it matter what we are called?

[crimson field]

how do you mean?

[median thistle]

Coltiversity

[crimson field]

I dont mind if you guys are the royal court.

Oh yeah I'm fine if it becomes Coltiversity

The only reason I was talking about Shadiversity is cuz it's Shad, i.e. an actual youtube r/ persona / misleading

[median thistle]

Silimasiversity

[crimson field]

and King Shad implies that he's important here.

so wat the server is named, I'm cool with many things

[median thistle]

Yup which barely reflects his past and current relationship with the discord.

[crimson field]

Indeed and I'm fine with keeping the medieval themed branding

I think it's fun to have a royal court and militia and duke and serf

[median thistle]

The Kingdom of Belgium

[crimson field]

I'm not arguing to change any of that

My only goals are to remove the link to shad and change the community dynamic with the moderation of the server

I think if we add too much ontop of it, it'll dilute the proposal and make it harder to agree or disagree. (though a namechange is necessary)

[median thistle]

Which I agree with frankly as it's the most sensible method I've seen thus far

[red marlin]

But does it matter? why rebrand?

[median thistle]

It's a clean break

[crimson field]

That's becaues we are completely linked to Shad. Shad is 'the king'. And people who come here are expecting Shad.

[red marlin]

that is Pyro call not mine

[crimson field]

Almost nobody actually cares about Shad, and Shad doesn't care about us

keepig the branding means limiting ourselves in what we do

[red marlin]

Then ping the hell out if Pyro until he answers or bans you

[crimson field]

I will

I just wanted your feedback as well, until I keep harassing pyro

you two are admins after all

[median thistle]

@clear ravine wake up

[crimson field]

but Pyro is the server owner. If the server owner says "fuck you" thenI know where I stand.

[median thistle]

We have a Cat with an idea

[crimson field]

but since the mdoeration team is important to moderating the community I think it's only normal to ask for their feedback

like I mentioned in the proposal, I dont want to increase the burden significantly on the moderation team

so the moderation team is obviously going to be relevant in the moderation and otherwise

plus all previous changes were dealt with by the moderation team.

yes Pyro has a dictatorship

that's clear

or at least the power to

if he says no, it wont happen no matter what 🤣

but if the moderation team is onboard, that is a good sign that the proposal is good

[median thistle]

Yeah I might say yes but I can only affect the status quo so much without pyro 😂

[crimson field]

for example some of the rules (the NSFW one) are dictated by Shad, and will obviously reflect poorly upon Shad if we suddely become a porn server. I have no desire to become a porn server, or to introduce NSFW.

Just because I don't care about Shad, doesn't mean I want to harm his persona

He did actively promote this server in the past, after all. So it's a good idea to try and treat him respectfully (also just from a normal human being standpoitn)

Yeah true Xan

however I just need clarity from Pyro in the end if he's going to implement it or not.

If he doesn't, he should give the power to someone like Colt. Or just tell me he wants the server to die. 🤣

If the proposal is going to be refused by Pyro, I know I'll just have to leave at some point.

[clear ravine]

So dumbed down you mean to Yeet any mention of Shad and to have mon rule in the votes? 😛

[crimson field]

mon rule*?

[clear ravine]

I feel like transparency has been asked for for forever with ppl even asking for read acces to the staff chats

Mob lol

[crimson field]

mob rule? lmao

[clear ravine]

But in what wat do you see transparency exactly

[crimson field]

I Mean the moderation community is doing jack shit for the community except upholding rules they set themselves.

Like I said, all of the previous proposals except the drgn-list one are basically ignored.

This channel is a meme.

And you cannot get moderators, if there is no community engaging with the moderators or the community

so there are 10 inactive mods

[crimson field]

if you look at the recent warns. OOJ is basically 95% of them

I mean the curent state of this channel is also due to the past behaviour.

even 2 years ago, a lot of people were meming on it because nothing would change

and of course when that keeps happening, it leads to the current situation

For example, the only reason something happened with that ticket I shared, was due to Colt

many other tickets are literally ignored in perpetuity

you have to harass the mods to get feedback

I asked very reasonable questions: "When could I expect an eta? When should I tag you as a reminder? Who should I tag so not as to bother you"

Nothing was answered.

[clear ravine]

Well you were spamming ppl instead of giving them time tbf in your last ticket xD

But yes the mod team has been dead, but what does that have to do with dethroning Shad, that'd not change like that

[crimson field]

there's a reason

it's because the past 10 tickets, like 8 were ignored

and it's not SPAMMING

it was at most one tag a day

I dont think tagging a moderator ONCE like OOJ is 'spamming'

You have the logs, feel free to pull them u

After 2 days I didnt get a response to any basic question

I mean the questions were literally "ok, so when should I tag you guys? How much time do you sort of need?"

you could say "tag us by the end of the week, or by the end of two weeks"

that's all I asked 🤣

I mean the past 2 years the tickets have often bene ignored. This is a common complaitns with people opening tickets.

It's why nobody opens tickets. Except apparently me

anyway @clear ravine Are you willing to give the server ownership to anybody else at any point in the future?

cuz at this point, you're apparently disagreeing with my suggestoin.

if that is the case, I just want to know if the server will die

[clear ravine]

You really jump to conclusions don't you

[crimson field]

based on 3 years, yes.

that's not jumping to conclusions, that's being very patient.

These incidents have happened for a long time

[thick jasper]

I can help taking care of the Shad fans from this server so this can properly become its own community instead of eternally lying in Shad's shadow, who has already disowned this place long ago.

[clear ravine]

But how is the main issue the dead moderation team the fact that Shad has a king role?

[crimson field]

huh? that's jumping to conclusions

[clear ravine]

I feel like there is a way more important thing to thus

[crimson field]

I never said that King Shad having a king role "is the main issue"

I just propoesd this suggestion in two parts that I think are important for the community

Shad doesn't have server ownership, doesn't participate in moderation

so no, it's not the main issue

However the 10 or 13 or 15 shad channels are dead

There is no relevant connection to Shad.

I think 3 or 5 or more have already been archived without any announcements

like the SOTC channels

What is the more important thing in your opinion, Pyro?

[fickle bay]

Who angered Xandark?

[crimson field]

Xandark was perfectly pleasant

[fickle bay]

Noted.

[thick jasper]

Dammit, Noah.

[clear ravine]

I think separate issues are being conflated and I think the more important one is moderation over a Shad role.

Yes the sotc channels got removed because they were inactive and there is still room for them in the library

[crimson field]

Ok, without an announcement though. I.e. a moderation issue

[clear ravine]

We should probably look at the channels to see which ones get used

[fickle bay]

I'm trying to be Swiss Gosh darn it!

[crimson field]

Pyro, I suggested two things.

that's my suggestion.

if you want to implement one or not the other, that's up to you

but I suggested two things.

[fickle bay]

Very interested with it and other fantasy discussions.

[crimson field]

I'm interested in implementign both.

[clear ravine]

Your yeeting Shad one is clear, the other one is vague. How do you see this in practice

Getting started

[crimson field]

You give Colt server ownership

From my perspective, most things aren't being handled.

Many channel descriptions are vague. and Imo, you're not interested in beign active in the community

now it's fine if you're busy, I get that.

[clear ravine]

I think to do any of these we first need a bunch of active moderators

[crimson field]

As I said, it's a catch 22

the moderation and other aspects led to the current situation, and both reflectthe moderation and the community

if the community is dead, you cannot have moderators

the previous round of getting moderators was ineffective and useless

so what is the moderation team's idea to deal with this?

cuz obviously the moderation team decides who gets to be a mod

The previous round of hiring was over a year ago, and both new members do basically close to nothing

one actually does nothing (not even sure if he's a militia)

and the other does almost nothing

[clear ravine]

It's like the 'we need clearer NSFW rules' or more equal enforcement. All simple until you actually need to write those rules.

[crimson field]

I didn't ask for clearer NSFW rules.

[clear ravine]

Well you can't force people to moderate, and a lot of people that would want to moderate are problematic

[crimson field]

I mean you're not representing my opinion in both situations. So i don't know who you are talking about

[clear ravine]

No you didn't but it shows how people think that a simple suggestion is easy to implement.
You basically Demanded a final answer right this minute

[crimson field]

Ok, but for the past 1 year and 5 months. The mod team hasn't done anything new regarding the situation.

I never did Pyro.

where did I demand it?

Like I mentioned in the ticket, I would just like to know when I can get a response at some point

if you need a week, that's fine, if you need 2 weeks, that's fine.

if you want me to tag you after 2 weeks, that's good. I'll know to wait two weeks

I wont tag you within the two weeks then

[clear ravine]

You told me to transfer the server because you thought I disagreed with something we hadn't even discussed yet

[crimson field]

no

You asked me what the firs tstart would be imo

20:02]🎃Pyro, Incinerator of Ghosts 🔥👻: Your yeeting Shad one is clear, the other one is vague. How do you see this in practice
[20:02]🎃Pyro, Incinerator of Ghosts 🔥👻: Getting started
[20:02]
OP
Silimas: You give Colt server ownership

That's a suggestion

You asked me for what my thoughts were

it was a response to your questoin, not a demand.

[thick jasper]

If I may, I would like to propose to migrate the Shad fans first before a complete overhaul happens.
It would lessen the load on the mods, thus make this more feasible.

[crimson field]

I disagree.

[median thistle]

Hollup guys lemme get my popcorn

[crimson field]

It'd massively create confusion and it'd immediately make it clear we are killing off Shad in this server

it's basically announcing "This is not a Shad server, begone!"

we should have a conclusion first, before doing that.

[thick jasper]

Is it still a Shad server?

[crimson field]

At this point yes.

at least in name

[clear ravine]

Does it cover the topics Shad talks about? Yes, so there's always a place for ppl here

[crimson field]

and in the branding, and in the channels, and in the disboard

[thick jasper]

And name only by what I can tell.

[clear ravine]

Like even without the specific channels, writing, history etc

[median thistle]

That'd be Shad's fault

[crimson field]

it's also advertised in the disboard, and it's probably in older descriptions of shad, advertised by shad himself @thick jasper

[thick jasper]

We're not here to point fingers, it's just the reality we have to deal with.

[grand ferry]

lurks

[clear ravine]

I think I once made a disboard thingy many years ago, does that still get found that often? Lol

[median thistle]

Yup so reasonably we could archive the shad channels and direct such chats to regular channels

[crimson field]

the ones that join nowadays are from the disboard

[thick jasper]

Yes, but there's a ton of hatred towards Shad and as you mentioned yourself, the channels are barely used if at all.
This server has become its own community.

[crimson field]

Yes, but it's different if we're goign to actively split up and advertise someone else

I dont know your server

I dont trust your server

lmao

I have no reason to assume why this server should actively advertise another server

[median thistle]

Oh, I am though, and frankly it is Shad's fault that this server doesn't represent him due to his long refusal to advertise the discord or have much to do with it.

[crimson field]

Indeed Xandark

There were half a dozen atempts to mgirate, and a lot of them were toxic as fuck

[median thistle]

This is an issue that started years upon years ago when I was still a baron in the early days of the mod team

[crimson field]

Indeed

If we advertise a server without vetting it, it would be very shitty if that server turned out to be toxic

[clear ravine]

I have not seen a single server that has tried to be an anti shadiverse that actually thrived, I do know a couple that got closed down lol

[crimson field]

and you'd actively harm the community imo

Indeed Pyro

[clear ravine]

There might be some but many fail

[median thistle]

It's now on us to make this server work for the people

[crimson field]

VIVA LA REVOLUTION

[median thistle]

Yup, most are doing terrible

[clear ravine]

Some of them actually toxic cesspools that got closed by discord 😂

[crimson field]

Many of the new servers were actively Shad haters

[thick jasper]

Well, making a server isn't the issue.
Making it trustworthy is actually quite easy when the mods still actively listen for input. (nothing personal)
I don't see the issue in the long run.
This project you're suggesting won't be done overnight, so why should there be a ready well trusted server right away?

[median thistle]

One I know is doing alright

[crimson field]

is it easy? I doubt it

[crimson field]

Well that server can go ahead and start branding itself as a server.

[thick jasper]

True points.
So, why still pander to Shad?

[crimson field]

However, there's no reason to suddenly advertise TO THEM until we solve this

[median thistle]

I don't want to

I agreed with Sili's suggestions

[clear ravine]

In general I do think we can be a bit less though in our rules, but definitely not to the point to what many ppl like and don't see as an issue, they become issues on the internet 😛

[thick jasper]

I'm willing to let my server be vetted when it's up.

[crimson field]

besides, I dont really see how the people here caues much burden

[clear ravine]

Anyways I do want to start with having a look at what channels actually get used (regularly)

[crimson field]

For this community, whether or not another server or whatever does anything is not relevant imo

For this community, this community is important

[clear ravine]

A lot of them can probably be merged into others as they barely see use and have an alternative spot

[crimson field]

Other servers can set up their own server and advertise on disboard and with Shad whenever the ywant

[thick jasper]

Who says anything about being anti-Shadiverse?
This can be turned into a mutually beneficial collaboration.

[crimson field]

No, most of the servers that were offshoots were anti-shad

lmao

[clear ravine]

Oh it's just how I name all the knock off servers I've see made lol

[crimson field]

indeed

[clear ravine]

Idk whatever you want to call them

[median thistle]

And often anti shadiverse too

[crimson field]

true

[thick jasper]

Oh, it will.
It's just a good solution for the troubles here, too.

[fickle bay]

I know one.

[clear ravine]

I guess most of them were made out of hate so that's why they got dubbed anti 😛

[crimson field]

I mean I just dont think another server is the solution

I dont feel the need to get rid of the shadites or shadlings

it's not an inquisition

if they want to join another server, that's cool. But Shad is allowed to be discussed here.

[median thistle]

I've only seen it work once

[crimson field]

If you want a true endorsement, you could get Shad himsef to advertise your discord

If Shad advertisees your discord, that's on him and you

[thick jasper]

Yes, this community.
It shouldn't be a Shad server anymore, it's a separate thing now.

[crimson field]

Yes, but like I said, I dont care to advertise another server

20:09]Randy Kalff: If I may, I would like to propose to migrate the Shad fans first before a complete overhaul happens.
It would lessen the load on the mods, thus make this more feasible.

[clear ravine]

For example
1 has no sign of being read (in the very beginning there was but there hasn't been in a loooong time)
2 and 3 most likely have space in other channels as we have channel covering most topics?

[crimson field]

20:09]Randy Kalff: If I may, I would like to propose to migrate the Shad fans first before a complete overhaul happens.
It would lessen the load on the mods, thus make this more feasible.

I have no reason to "migrate" Shad fans in any way shape or form by advertising another server

[clear ravine]

Also this is all just open discussion

[crimson field]

The only reason I added it in the first place, was that IF A GOOD SERVER gets set up, they might have a place where a lot of the Shad history could go to

Like with the channels from Shad

[clear ravine]

Throw in whatever, but I don't think the main takeaway here is let's try and migrate ppl somewhere else 😛

[crimson field]

It was an olive branch to Shad

and the sahdites

it's not a core feature of the suggestion 🤣

If the channels get DELETED today, I'd be fine

I just thought it'd be more reasonable to NOT do that.

and to give any new shad servers a chance to get information / lore / history / pins

indeed

if the main takeaway is "lets get rid of shadlings" i'm opposed.

[thick jasper]

If this server goes away from Shad, are you just going to abandon the people who came here for him?

[crimson field]

How do you mean? Shad doesn't advertise us

and we can rebrand Disboard

plus you do have a place here to talk about Shad

[clear ravine]

In what way would there be abandonment, we still talk about all these topics

[median thistle]

We all came here because of shad

[crimson field]

after all, Swordsmyth is here, he's the greatest Shad stan of all

[median thistle]

We stay because we want to annoy Silimas and Jester

[crimson field]

Changing direction does not equal abandonment

that'd be ludicrous

[clear ravine]

In fact there might be more active discussion about things if it's not so spread out

[crimson field]

Besides, it's not as if people are forced to stay

"you joined, well now you're stuck here. We abandoned Shad to piss you off"

[median thistle]

We can remove shad branding and still accept those mostly here to talk shad stuff

[clear ravine]

This server still has the amount of channels for way more conversationing (yes that's now a word) than it does, and that does work counter, as ppl see empty channels, can't find their way around etc

[crimson field]

Anyway, people are allowed to engage with Shad fans here, talk about shad, talk about any shad topics

[thick jasper]

It does if all someone wants is to talk about is Shad and his stuff.
Not everyone is here for the community that has clearly developed away from Shad.

[low meadow]

Create a new channel after deleting the shad ones. Call it "youtube armchair historians"

[median thistle]

Yeah... We really need to cut the fat

[crimson field]

disagree. They're alllowed to talk about it.

we're not banning Shad mentions

[median thistle]

Jester solution right there

[crimson field]

Besides @thick jasper how would they join? Shad doesn't advertise our discord

so how would they be misled?

[thick jasper]

But it won't be focused on Shad anymore, that's my point.

[crimson field]

Yes?

[fickle bay]

Eol would have a field day besides Griffith.

[crimson field]

Look Randy, if you wan tto say it's bad for us to change direction before banning every Shad member, or suggesting they migrate, that' sfnie

I disagree

and I dont care.

[thick jasper]

It's more about the people already here.
You know, the ones who are actively going silent.

[crimson field]

Well, they can find new shad servers

you're creating one, aren't you?

plus they can talk about it, we're not banning it

And it is STILL shad branded

there are shad channels

they just refuse to use them

[thick jasper]

Yes and they'll be more than welcome there, but I can't directly invite them by this server's rules.

[crimson field]

those 10 shad channels aren't being used by them, of their own volition.

[clear ravine]

I'll make a spare shad server, problem solved 😛

And no, you're not supposed to try and poach users, it's bad conduct
hence the rule

We once had discord take action on someone who spammed half the server with an invite actually

[median thistle]

General courtesy in Discord tbh

[crimson field]

Tyvm Xandark.

[thick jasper]

I definitely don't intend on stealing users, just trying to provide resources to make this server its own community.

[median thistle]

Silimas vs the automod

The true battle

[crimson field]

The shad people aren't here solely for Shad.... If they were, they might've left. They can be present in this server and your server.

[thick jasper]

If they want, why not?

[crimson field]

There's no reason to advertise any other server at all. The only reason I suggested keeping up the channels was to give other servers and the shad-followers a chance to take info the ywanted

[clear ravine]

Any other server won't really be more Shad either, seeing as Shad is 100% inactive either way, be it here, or not even in some other server
We are still about all these Shad topics so

[crimson field]

they can do whatever they want. Just like I said I want this to be a communit yfocused effort. So Shad himself, Shad's team, the moderation team, the shadlings, and the nonshadlings should imo all be allowed to be involved and vote

I.e. It's not a dictatorship where I'm trying to take away their precious shad.

[median thistle]

I think we should more focus on potential reform

[crimson field]

if Shad himself wants to get involved, he's fine to do so. Tyranth from shad's team was tagged here by swordsmyth

Tyranth could also talk about this, but he doesn't want to

so Shad and Tyrant just dont give a shit

[thick jasper]

But if we rebrand it here, lots of people will leave.
I don't want to just leave them like that.
Those who want to stay will stay regardless.

[crimson field]

that's why, if the rebrand will happen IF it will happen, we could in theory advertise another server.

I am saying that we shouldnt do that BEFORE

20:09]Randy Kalff: If I may, I would like to propose to migrate the Shad fans first before a complete overhaul happens.
It would lessen the load on the mods, thus make this more feasible.

I am diagreeing with your 'before' part.

[thick jasper]

Alright, I can accept that.
Deal?

[crimson field]

Dunno. I haven't committed to anything. we're not even at the stage where a rebrand will happen.

Like I said, I have no idea whether your server will be any good by that point.

[clear ravine]

I don't think rebrand or migration is the main concern indeed, I think we can start by shedding some channels if they have a spot to be talked about elsewhere

[crimson field]

I dont want to lead them to the slaughter and advertise them to get butchered

[thick jasper]

I'm talking about the if case.

[median thistle]

If it'll sweeten the deal ill mod approve any ad you put on the subreddit. Small reach sure but it's something

[thick jasper]

Won't happen.

[crimson field]

Doesn't Shad control the subreddit? Just reach out to Shad

Shad controls his channel + the subreddit. He can advertise perfectly well, or rather EVEN better than us

the advertisement is an irrelvant point imo

[clear ravine]

Like yes, Shad probably doesn't need any permissions seeing as he hasn't been here in ages, but that's not what'll actively help atm
Should I make a seperate one to look at the channels so ppl can chime in or shall be do that here?

[crimson field]

Yeah, that'd work.

[thick jasper]

You think I rely on you guys?
This is a suggestion to benefit you all.

[median thistle]

Yes but I am still mod there

[crimson field]

I disagree, the advertisement of your server will at best not harm us, at worst harm us.

I dont see any way in which the moderation team has a lot of problems with any inactive shad members

[thick jasper]

How?
Won't the people who like it here stay?

[crimson field]

we could just advertise any random discord at that point.

Randy, you're probably not going to advertise this discord in your own discord. Most discord servers dont actively promote other discord servers

[thick jasper]

That's the inactive ones.
There are still active ones, as you mentioned.
They're not here for this community, so the rebrand will drive them away, but relocating will lessen the load immediately.

[crimson field]

Why? the active ones aren't causing many problems

They don't need to be banned or warned or whatever all the time

I see no 'load' that could be lesseend

besides, they are free to argue against the rebrand. That's part of why it's community focused

They can talk about this perfectly fine themselves

This channel is public access

[median thistle]

Most issues I've been pinged for haven't been shad related at all

[thick jasper]

Living Anachronism and The Artisan of the Sword work together and both will be involved in the new server.
However, I doubt anyone there will be interested in this place.

[crimson field]

Yes, those are the exception

[thick jasper]

Didn't Pyro say he'd need more mods for your idea?

[crimson field]

are you going to become a mod?

Look one thing I know for certian is that your discord will benefit from free advertisement.

Anyway at this point, the point is moot. I'm uninterested.

I'm going back to what I care about.

[thick jasper]

On the new server we're making?
Yes, but not that active.
I have a life.

[clear ravine]

#1272987251101667389

[crimson field]

I dont care.

You're asking for advertismenets

[thick jasper]

Yes, it will.
Which server doesn't?
That's not my point.
I'll get advertisement regardless, advertisement here won't do much.

[crimson field]

the rule is simple. no advertising other discords.

[thick jasper]

Not my point at all.

[crimson field]

ok, then there's no reason t oask for it

if advertisement here doesn't do much, then there's no reason to do it, since there's no effect

[thick jasper]

Alright, fuck those users, I guess?

[crimson field]

why?

you've already advertised it by mentioning yourself here a lot

[thick jasper]

Like anyone reads that.

[crimson field]

those users hae their own keyboards, they can type and engage perfectly fine without you white knighting them.

if they want to disagree, they should.

The rebrand only happens if those people dont give a shit

Like I asid, Shad is allowed to engage, Tyranth is allowed ot engage, his team, the shadites, former shadites, you, everybody

[thick jasper]

If you hate them, say it, otherwise you want to work on your phrasing because it sounds like you do to me.

[crimson field]

no, I just dislike you

[thick jasper]

Your problem.

[crimson field]

I have nothing against them. You're just moving the goalpost to make me sound bad

You're trying to use them for your own gain

they dont need you to defend tehm.

[thick jasper]

That's ridiculous.
Do you want to change something here or not?
I'm only making a suggestion to help, so let's stop arguing.

[crimson field]

That's what I suggested

[clear ravine]

I think we can probably move on from this specific part for now 😛

[thick jasper]

Yes, make a concrete plan of changes instead of empty talk.

[clear ravine]

Uhu so it's probably useful to not circle around one singular aspect and to move on to something that is currently more productive

[low meadow]

Sure, remove shad as he removed the server. Remove unused channels to declutter the server. And see how the server goes from there.

[clear ravine]

#1272987251101667389 let us know which channels you think can all be yeeted, Dad

or don't, it's not your job, but ig it could help

[crimson field]

agreed

Me and Randy agreed, we talked in Dms, its fine

Randy reached out to me to try and clarify things and it helped.

[thick jasper]

Actually, I only apologized for how heated it got, he started the clarifying, really.
Turns out it was a miscommunication between us, excuses for the mess.

[crimson field]

well we both worked together to resolve it.

anyway it happens, I'm glad we resolved it

and I got heated too* just to mention

[thick jasper]

And we have our conclusions.
Right now we want this server to change for the better.

[crimson field]

Ok if we want to separate the discusisons, that's finy by me. Like we could move the moderation to another issue

I'll go ahead and do that

[thick jasper]

Good plan, keep this for the Shad stuff.

[crimson field]

Current goal for this ssugestion is to focus on this:

Proposal:
Goal: Dethrone Shad. Anyway we don't need to bring out the guillotine for Shad and his team, nor for the mod team, but we do need to change the situation.

Shad suggestions:
Dehtrone Shad (remove the King Shad role, including if he has it, his mod permissions) (of course he can be part of the server, as well as his team. He can also have podium access to advertise his work)
Remove the Shad branding. i.e. ensure people don't get misinformed that this is a Shad server (in the future) (btw this can be given a large grace period, where you redirect people potentially to a new server, or anything like that. It's fine if this is up for 6 months or a year.)
Remove the Shad channels. (you can archive them. You can give people who need / want this, or the future Shad owner any of the info imo also with a grace period for like 6 months)
Shad can ofcourse be discussed in any of the relevant channels.

Personally, I think the clean up channels are related. If we delete Shad's involvement, the shad channels can be deleted.

[thick jasper]

Just to quickly clarify where the miscommunication was, I meant giving people a path to a Shad server before the end of a rebrand while he took it to mean before the start of a rebrand.
Should've clarified as much, but got caught up in defending my point.

Regardless, get rid of the Shad branding, it's not what this server is about anymore.
It's a separate community that happens to have a lot of Shad fans.

[crimson field]

I mean 3 to 5 shad channels have already been 'secretly' archived. the remaining 10 are just advertisements for Shad, or used by 1 person, or not really used at all, so I agree

Shad also doesn't promote us anymore. Him and his team aren't active. Tyranth was tagged in this by Sowrdsmyth (the one who uses the channels) and hasn't responded.

Tyranth hasn't typed in over a year and a half or something or two years, and he wasn't active before that.

Shad hasn't typed in almost three years.

None of his other team members have joined the discord.

We can't even answer basic questions, about the SOTC movie, or the comic book, or a lot of things.

[fast sluice]

Dunno if it makes a difference, but I'm also in support of distancing the server away from shad.
In fact, I don't care how violently it is done. If all his related channels get yeeted alongside him and his mooks (whom haven't engaged with the server since I've been here), I wouldn't raise any concerns.
If the end result is the server coming to terms with it not being Shad's anymore, I'm okay with whatever means.

I've also seen in the beginning that there was talks about moderation.
I think greater transparency both in rules and their enforcement would be nice, but considering the low amount of mods around, I don't think it's really feasible without messing it up.
Going "democratic" is an option, but it's a bad one considering the average social maturity of the community.
Getting more mods seems to be an issue, seemingly for the aforementioned reason of low IQ specimens proliferating the recruiting pool.
Axing channels to reduce workload would lead to riots if done too much, and would also just push the toxicity from their containment channels to more public ones.
Empowering active mods with greater power would not solve anything in my opinion. Like, Pyro handing over the server to somebody else would just make that mod needing to pull double duty at moderating and reorganising the server.
It seems that line of talk has died off, so I say it should be left at that until more moderators arise.

So yeah, those are my two forints.

[crimson field]

#1272993180152758366 message

Yeah I tried to move the moderation and transparancy aspect ot its own thing according to Pyro's suggestion

Anyway the only reason I care about the way the shad channels get murdered is to give an olive branche to shad and the people who actually care

I think that's just Swordsmyth though

🤣

Like I'm not out here to fuck people over on purpose. If they exist for a month longer or two months longer, that's fine with me. In the end I can just hide the channels and wait until the transition is over

[grand ferry]

Obviously the solution is we name Silimas server president for life

[crimson field]

indeed President of the Democratic People's Republic of Silimasia

[buoyant cloak]

I agree with this. I'm only here for workshop channel. I joined only when my BF (who joined for likely historical discussion) mentioned Carrie needing help some years ago

[crimson field]

yep yep

agreed

[thick jasper]

Might as well slash the mod staff and recruit new ones, but there's now a new thread for that discussion.

[thick jasper]

I care, but I've been active on other servers where I even have time for it.

[plush pecan]

can relate to that
the server being dead was not even my issue the first time

[plush pecan]

I agree with that

[rocky wren]

@plush pecan has just advanced to level 2.

[plush pecan]

LA is a good server

[fickle bay]

Hello

They set this up. #1272987251101667389

[plush pecan]

anger is like jello, there is always room for more

[brittle harness]

Love how im so dead with having a life (disgusting) and losing interest that you forgot me xD💜

[thick jasper]

Who?

[brittle harness]

I think I could become more active again in the evening if id actually get motivation

I'll try :)

[crimson field]

I just thought you weren't a mod anymore

And I couldn't find a message from you from the past months

🤣

I think your last message was 2 or 3 months ago

I thought you were unmodded or resigned

[brittle harness]

Bookmark. Jeez this is a whole book. First day I'm reading something here and it's this long

[brittle harness]

We could rebrand the old shad channels into "History YouTuber Channels".

Idk maybe that's been said already. I was bbq at that time tbg

[fickle bay]

Lol

[brittle harness]

No, i think rebranding would simultaneously help getting rid of some channels. It's be a win for 2. (That not a saint in English, right?)

[brittle harness]

Ah yeah I quit but quickly joined again. And then got a job and died. And then got a boyfriend who didn't ignore me 24/7 and died some more 💜😂😂

[fickle bay]

Not translating that.

[brittle harness]

Just to say it again, I think a rebrand would be beneficial and I'm in support of it.

Finding a name will be hard but it would not only help distance ourselves from something we simply aren't and haven't been for a while but it will also help declutter drastically and maybe even improve activity (for a while?)

Lots of the unused channels are shad-related channels and don't get used because the users simply aren't there.

The focus point of this has long shifted towards general history stuff as well as arts and crafts and the community itself. The name is simply not reflective anymore.

[fickle bay]

Noted.

[brittle harness]

I edited. Sorry, it's midnight here

[fickle bay]

It's five o'clock somewhere.

[thick jasper]

Good luck getting Pyro to cooperate with that.

[brittle harness]

I think Randys (hopefully I remembered the correct person) offer to capture those who are still interested is a good one. While we (well Pyro under our call) could redesign the server we could redirect the users to a different server. Afterwards we deleted the redirect and have two seperate servers

[brittle harness]

Let that be my problem xD
This is a democratic server. Hopefully. Maybe. Idk.
But I think if we plan it correctly and have enough input, it can work in a way that everyone is slightly happy with

[thick jasper]

Thanks, I appreciate the support.
Once everyone still interested in a Shad server is there, the link would indeed be useless unless you still get new people looking for Shad.

[plush pecan]

"the historian writer"?
Something in reference to but still unique

relates to writing and history

[brittle harness]

I think we'd need a different thread for that. Not now, I personally think opening that once we agree to do it

[brittle harness]

Exactly.

I remember they did exactly that in the Sims server a while back. It worked rather well

[thick jasper]

Server's already in the making, so we'll be sure to be the top pick by the time anything is agreed on.

[plush pecan]

that seems good to me

I hate the mods, but I have to admit they do a good job with LA

[grand ferry]

So.....what should the new server name be?

[crimson field]

Democratic People's Republic of Silimas

and I should be crowned President for life

I mean I dunno. It could be something like Machiculations

or whatever

🤣

[brittle harness]

.

[crimson field]

what do you mean?

for the namechange?

Ooooh sure sure

let's do that then.

[brittle harness]

So i think we should tackle things like this:

1. Channels
2. Rules and PG-Rules seperate from those Shad gave us... 7...? years ago?
3. Soft rebrand
4. Harder rebrand if needed

[crimson field]

what's the difference?

between 3 and 4?

[brittle harness]

3. Is more subtle, getting rid of shads influence without a big Tamtam while 4. is more drastic and on the nose

Like 3. would be over longer time and low key (getting rid of some specific channels, renaming shad stuff into general yter stuff,... While 4. Would be "yo we getting rid of shad, come back in 2 days while we renovate"

Is that a good explanation?

[pallid halo]

I should be the new Duck King of the server

[crimson field]

KAPOW

KAPOW KAPOW

kill it

yes yes, nuke it

I choose 4.

LMAO

jk jk

https://tenor.com/view/guiillotine-gif-4574862832491529802

[pallid halo]

Gradual change is less of a suprise to the peasants

[brittle harness]

It's easier to implement, easier to get used to and you can correct mistakes quicker

[crimson field]

hmmmm

[brittle harness]

So it's more flexible too

[crimson field]

I'm probs for gradual change. It'll allow people time to adjust, as well as people who want a new server and want to check the legacy content

[grand ferry]

Gradual change would be best

[hearty linden]

This was talked about in the past. Funny enough, I think most of the ones I can recall being in favour of "keeping the brand" have left anyway

[pallid halo]

As long as I'm the duck mascot of the server

[crimson field]

Indeed, I think so too Dark.

so basically so far it seems most people are in favour of a gradual rebrand?

the only question esems to be "how to brand?"

[red marlin]

#toomuchwork

If it is not on his channel anymore, then it is a mute point. We can keep the name and have less work

What specifically are you wanting to change? Just the name? Or purge everything that has “shad” on it? That is knightswatch stuff and maybe the shad video chanl

[crimson field]

purge everything with shad

remove the name.

in the end, if we keep using the name, it'll lead to backlash as well.

I don't want any issues to arrive between Shad and us.

I mean, in the end, our branding as shadiversity is just not going to help us get more people. The disboard was set up ages ago. And it's not true anymore imo

https://disboard.org/nl/server/454767470507589653

The official Shadiversity Community Discord.
The main topics are history (medieval), and writing, but of course there's plenty other things you can talk about!
Also MACHICOLATIONS!

first of all, I dont want people from shad to come here, especially not his trolls and shit or KW related

if we get rid of the branding and the name, we'll also get rid of trolls that are here to complain, whine, harass shad

Plus due to KW, a lot of the new trolls / members were highly political, often leading to problems in KW and disputatio

I'd rather have this a writing / history focused server, with room for discussion of youtubers like Shad etc, and with a room for political stuff

I mean those 15 shad channels are so dead, that multiple have been archived already

I have nothing against Shad, so I'd rather have another server become the "official shadiversity server"

that way perhaps Shad will be happier, and I will be happier.

A lot of copmlaints from Swordsmyth is "this place is toxic, Eol is why Shad left, the people are why shad left"

well, in that case, why not remove it? That way Shad and us won't be connected, and Shad has a fresh chance with some other server, without 'the bad people' that made Shad leave

plus if Shad wants, he'll have full moderation powers in that new server.

that's part of why his team took control of the subreddit, right?

If anything shitty happens, like in the past with Devon, there will be no backlash to Shad.

so it'll be safer for Shad, safer for us, happire for Shad, happier for us and probably happier for people who love Shad.

if Shad and his team are part of that new server, they might even be able to interact with him!

plus the new server might even get put on the description.

then more shadiversity members would join

[deep surge]

I agree that the disboard is a bit misleading. When I initially joined, I'd thought it was a place for history buffs, historians, and historical fiction authors. and while it does have those aspects to it, it's not as history-centric as the disboard sounded. to me ❤️

[crimson field]

Understandable.

I think it's important that we put out a good message as ot what we want to be. To set the correct expectations.

In any case, I personally think the server will die. If the shadlings want to be part of the dying server with it being associated with Shad, good. They can argue for that.

but I think action needs to be taken, in order to change course and ensure that the community becomes less dead, or stops dying.

In this situation, I don't think people who like shad in this server are happy with it, Swordsmyth is really unhappy with how people treat Shad here (how I read his comments). Shad is unhappy with us. His team is unhappy with us.

I mean, if you release every video on shadiversity with a discord link, and you stop including the discord link systematically, that's not an accident

[deep surge]

true. I wasn't here for when Shad left, but have read the back-messages/the tldr version of events to see what happened. I think it's clear the server has evolved away from its initial purpose, and requires a facelift/cleaning of house. different name. and I like the suggestion from other messages or threads to still have a space for a Shad discussion, if one wishes, and perhaps 1 place to post videos if people are interested. not necessarily an entire section dedicated to it.

[crimson field]

I think that sounds fine. I do kinda wonder how it'd be implemented, but that's a detail. if we can bring the 15 shad channels to 1 shad channel, or if we can bring it to 1 history / fantasy youtuber channel, that'd be cool

Kind of like "recommend your faovurite youtuber / video related to writing, history, fantasy, etc?"

[deep surge]

yes, something like that!

a shad discussion channel (idk if you'd need a disputatio version, but that's up to the mod's discretion). keep all shad-ism talk there. I wouldn't mind a catch-all channel for all historical YTers, or fantasy and history (the historian in me would love one channel for history, like a history resource vid channel, and a fantasy resource channel, but that may be too specific for the server's broader needs). If they'd like, a catch-all video discussion channel may be nice, so there's a place to talk specifically Shad for those who want, and another space who wants to speak about all different creators.

[crimson field]

sounds like an interesting suggestion.

I do think probably his KW channel should be separate, since that was usually what led to a lot of political rambling and debates in the KW-channel

or rather nuke the KW chat and designate any convo about it in disputatio

but his other channel is fine

[deep surge]

it kind of felt like the potato-version of the Shad channels, to me.

[crimson field]

I mean we could try it out for a 6 or 12 month period (the shad discussion channel), and if it isn't used, just yeet it too 🤣

[deep surge]

so that makes sense to put discussion in disputatio or perhaps make a space for that in the Courthouse

[deep surge]

true! try it out, see if it vibes. it's a brainstorm, so some things may sound great on paper, but not in practice

[crimson field]

I dont think disputatio is active enough to need another channel. History-potato has been dead for months

I mean indeed, I think the changes can be part of an evolving process

[deep surge]

very true. evolve as we go along ❤️

[crimson field]

I'll probs try to link different suggestions from this chat from different people and their notes

as best I can, to kind of summarise.

[deep surge]

good idea. put everything into one place, so people don't have to backread or scroll like crazy

[crimson field]

Yeah it's been diverted a lot of times, and I did it too ofc. It's not like I'm innocent

but summarizing other people's suggestions / arguments would help out with the clarity for new people.

and give an idea about who agrees / disagrees

[deep surge]

very true ❤️

[crimson field]

Ill make sure to add message links and names, that way people can fact-check it. I'll just keep it relevant to the dethrone shad thing, not regarding the community or anything else.

[deep surge]

sounds like a plan! ❤️

[fast sluice]

Yeah, having a (historical) youtuber channel instead of 15 shad channels seems to be the appropriate action for the rebranding.
It could also divert people sharing their fave YT-er in the rest of the 50 channels where it's (semi-)relevant.
I do remember someone (maybe swordsynth?) spamming YT links in the history corner. Would be ince if such things would be redirected into one place (I can mute immediately).

Plus, this is just my opinion, but I think shad left because he was proven wrong 1 too many times, and he just couldn't take it as an obviously ego-driven person (cue in all his reaction videos).
This shatters any chance for future cooperation between him and the server, so I don't see why we should have a separate channel just for him. It's one thing to remember one's roots, and another to serve those undeserving.

[crimson field]

Indeed. I mean the last straw seems to have been the brigandine. People were civilly disagreeing with him, but quite a few people were disagreeing. He didn't like people disagreeing with him.
#gatehouse message

Shad introduced the rule that he couldn't be pinged. And he complains "if I hadn't come to defend it" a few times.

People were literally disallowed to ping him to include him in a topic of conversation, but he's complaining multiple times about basically not being able to defend himself when he's not there.

#arms-and-armour-2 message

Anyway, in my opinion, there's no way the relationship can ever be salvaged, no matter what we do.

Tyranth was tagged, he never responded.

#gatehouse message Shad's last message is 17 dec 2020
#shad-video-discussion message Tyranth.'s last message was in 4 sept 2023

Nobody else from the team is here. Tyranth didn't respond and his last message is almos ta year ago. And Shad is coming up on his 4 year anniversary of not typing a single word in the server.

[hollow tinsel]

yessss Shad finally is getting yeeted

love the work u out in Silimas

i truly appreciate all of u putting the effort in

[crimson field]

haha thanks xD

[thick jasper]

I agree with the earlier suggestion to have general YouTuber channels, not just Shad.
Who is still here for just Shad?
Look at the Shad channels and tell me.
That brand has died and Shad fans who stay probably won't complain about the change.

[crimson field]

Yeah I think so too, especially since the place is fine with Shad being linked / talked about

I mean one reason probably why people dont engage as much with shad's content, is because the corner is solely for shad's content.

I suspect that if the people who like shad talk about him in a more general corner, it'd combine the two, and it would mean other people might engage with it.

which might liven up the conversation regarding shad's content.

[thick jasper]

Just ditch the brand entirely.
Nothing Shad specific, but don't ban him like he's the one who should never be mentioned.

[crimson field]

Oh yeah, I want to do that. I just mean more regarding the channel cleanup / rework.

both are sort of related in this case, since my goal for getting rid of the shad channels is for this thread's reason

at least I have seen people in media-discussion mention that they don't watch x/y/z, or haven't watched a video, but are still interested, so who knows. I don't think all of the engagement with shad's content will be good in a different place, but from the KW-channels, it wasn't automatically good in that place either.

It just seemed to me that the specific KW-channels would attract the ones who have the strongest opinions on Shad's KW channel, either positive, or negative.

in the media-channel, there'd be more people who are milder in their opinion in both ways. Or well, I think so. I can't guarantee it.

[hollow tinsel]

oh id want him to be banned but that wouldnt get a majority behind it i think

[wet karma]

I 100% support this notion for us to rebrand. A lot of people do not want to be associated with Shad after how far the controversial downhill he went, that there is an entire Reddit about exposing his nonesense which happens to be the most popular Shad Reddit; pretty much everyone are here for non-Shad content anyway (such as #library). We can start with removing the cringy af banner.

I also believe he was the reason behind some of the rulings regarding what is appropriate and what is not, but I am not directly suggesting a policy change afterwards since it is up to the higher ups to decide what rules to keep and what rules to change.

[crimson field]

Freedom!

Shad can no longer be allowed as a reason to not change a policy! w00t w00t

[ionic quail]

I don’t think all the extra moderation changes need to be included either. It realistically would be a very quick job to turn this into a generic idk-what-genre-this-is server

Could just call it something like The Kingdom or The Realm. Not literally those two, but something similarly simple. Existing status quo can mostly stay, but the rebrand would give an excuse to invite some more creators here, since Shad abandoned us

Pyro should just make himself king, because he’s the reason this is a partnered server, not Shad

Shad gave this server puritan rules, that’s pretty much the extent of his actual contribution. Aside from early days promo that is

[low meadow]

I'm not too sure we need another creator as overlord...if they were just regular members sure.

[ionic quail]

No I don’t mean that. I just mean maybe some would be interested in joining. Doesn’t really matter either way

A rebrand wouldn’t need to be a big deal. Pyro should still be the somewhat absent overlord

[low meadow]

Ahh okay. That sounds better.

[ionic quail]

I think we could probably attract more members on the Community hub and promo sites with a more generic branding anyway. People who aren’t KW fans especially

[low meadow]

Mostly absent overlord. I agree with you, generic branding might be the way to get activity up.

[ionic quail]

Was a good idea from whoever suggested it imo. Kinda doubt it will happen, but it’s been floated about for a long time now. Don’t see any harm in it personally

[low meadow]

I figure with him removing the server from his videos (again), and the lack of any sort of communication since what...2020, we should just remove the influence. I do think it should be up to the royal court for that decision, then we can work towards community oriented reworking.

[hearty linden]

Yes, but I'd go for a transition period, not removing Shad's "brand" and bringing someone else ASAP.

If I was a content creator, are invited and find this I'd feel awkward about it myself.

I'm more of the idea of letting the server go on for a while (as it has been in the practice) and eventually go to someone if needed and say "hey, we're having this good thing here, want to join?"

[ionic quail]

I agree. It doesn’t matter even if it never happens. But it could be a fun project for the people running the server

[ionic quail]

That’s a good point. And tbh, the void doesn’t necessarily need to be filled

If anything, this place showed that relying on one content creator for an identity kinda just creates a community out of step with the creator

[hearty linden]

It also came with the content creator not being able or wanting (in the end, doesn't matters which) to actively engage in here. So the community "evolved" on it's own path

[wet karma]

And we could do without those as adults.

[brittle harness]

i think a general history and writing server branding would be way better than getting another cc-branding

[hollow tinsel]

this

[crimson field]

yeah but the NSFW rule is very much strict. It's stricter than what I'd say is necessary accordign to Discord's guidelins.

I would REFUSE any and all branding associated with some shitty influencer

It's just be replacing one fucking shitfest for another (no offense to Shad)

I'm not blaming Shad, but part of our limitations while trying to be ethical and responsible to Shad is due to our connection to an influencer. Not specific to Shad, but it is specific to influencers.

I'd just ditch the server if another influencer would come in and semi-hijack it even he or she was invited.

"adults"

Anyway I agree 100% with Christy, I'm fine with calling it something generic like "The Kingdom"

[grand ferry]

The Kingdom of Catastan

[crimson field]

Well we don't necessarily need a huge moderation overhaul imo. We just need some changes, Pyro can be the server owner, Colt and Xan can be the admins. I dont mind.

My only desire for moderation changes is cuz we need moderators to do stuff for the community or at least to let the community host stuff

Without any permission or support from moderators, every community event (besides Hunger games, but it is supported in many ways by the mod team) will be torpedo'd

And that is necessary, whether that's from the current mod team or whatever, I dont care. I'm pretty fine with the mod team. I think basically all of them engage in good faith and did their best at one point or another (I'm not blaming anybody for becoming inactive, that's not the point.)

My issue is just when moderators get the perks without the responsibilities.

and then the active mod perks are less relevant while their responsibilities are increased.

by which I mean having influence in what happens in the server regarding rule changes, events, interpretations of rules, etc.

cuz we all know why Pyro (understandably) doesn't want to accept just anybody as a mod, if you allow just anybody it's highly likely they'l abuse the position for the perks.

[grand ferry]

@clear ravine

[crimson field]

lmfao

anyway 13+ people are some of the most foul-mouthed sex focused bastards

they're likely the ones posting the nsfw

🤣

cuz it's new to them lmfao

[wet karma]

Yeah

Besides, NSFW doesn't cause harm anyway, especially if it is kept vanilla and normal level like jokes

[crimson field]

indeed

it's not as if any innuendo is automatically the same as posting porn

but plenty of posts I've made did receive the same warning

lmao

well more like 3 or 4 or so

Anyway I don't need to have any NSFW in this area, but there's obviously a degree that's not as puritanical

[wet karma]

We should be more like Metatron's server: Civil, noble, relaxed

[crimson field]

That's unlikely with the serfs here.

We do need an inquisition to achieve that.

[wet karma]

So be it

[crimson field]

agreed

new suggestion: INQUISITION!

[waxen jackal]

Maybe the bot could post videos from other channels in addition to Shadiversity.

[crimson field]

or we could delete all video spam by non-users.

I mean we've had like 5 or 10 different channels or more be posted, but only with users posting the relevant content they want to talk about

if we make a spam channel, it will be ignored. I don't know anybody who is interested in the Shad video spam

they already have a youtube

and I'm specifically talking about the channels with a bot that spams them, not a user posting one and then saying "What do you think about this part of the video?"

I'm cool with anybody posting a video about Shad and starting a conversation

[wet karma]

I think it is better to get rid off the auto posting

Especially since Shad's content is just euuwgh, and is often blatantly false

[bitter reef]

Those... rules might actually be the main reason I still frequent this place... aside from the meme channel, anyway.

[crimson field]

what rules?

[bitter reef]

The ones that are strict about NSFW.

[crimson field]

ah yeah, well I dont think anybody is actively advocating for allowing actual NSFW

I haven't seen anybody mention nudes, half nudes, porn, or sexy / explicit picture sor drawings.

it's just that most people feel unsafe even mentioning the slightest innuendo

or well, that's my assumption*

I don't think anybody wants NSFW to be allowed into this server, or at least I haven't seen anybody advocate it in the different suggestoins

the only thing I've read is people want moderation regarding the rules to be more consistent (though they didnt mention specifics afaik) and I would like it that we were warned less quickly.

I.e. if something isn't directly NSFW, then just say "ah this is a bit too much" and delete it

it's a lot like with the political and religious memes. Some are way more obviously political than othres, but sometimes it's not obvious if it is very political. And it can come across as unfair when you get warned when you didn't think it was actually political

Especially since most of the reason political and religious memes are banned is because the conversation needs to go to disputatio

[waxen jackal]

I like the video spam because I never go on Youtube for the sole purpose of finding videos. If most people ignore it, so what?

[crimson field]

it's a dead channel. We're no longer going to be related to Shad (that's my goal) and every time I get mtued, the channel pops up again and I have to manually remove it.

Most of the time influencer based servers have influencer based 'advertising' for their projects. If we aren't going to be a Shadiversity server, there is no need to dedicate it to Shad.

As such, it is not about advertising for the influencer to his own community, but more so about whether or not the community wants to see it. And therefore I'd say it is better for individuals to post things in a channel where tehy can also discuss youtube links. Shad's youtube would also be a part of that. But instead of a generic bot channel, it'd be a conversational channel.

[crimson field]

would you want to keep the Shad video spam channels? or would you change them to suit more influencers? I.e. Would you want two channels for Shadiversity where the bot keeps posting content like we have now? Or would you see it in a different way?

I'm not trying to argue. I did post my own response above that, since you asked. Right now, I'm asking your viewpoint so I can link to it later in order to represent your view fairly in a summary of this channel

[dusty violet]

We can just have his videos in #podium

[crimson field]

Yeah I think that's fine Osman, though the people posting in podium are the people themselves.

If we allow one of our own bots to spam his content, it'd be a disservice to everybody who asked for access and posts their ow nvideos there. Especially if it is no longer a shadiversity server.

I would have no issues with one of his team members having podium access to post his content, though.

[low meadow]

Or have a general armchair historian youtuber channel that posts a few of the history type youtubers.

[crimson field]

That could work too.

[dusty violet]

Aye I think that could work

[waxen jackal]

That is what I meant

[crimson field]

I dont mind if it's a bot that shares videos from multiple channels, as long as the different youtubers get equal treatment

Otherwise we'd still be giving Shadiversity preferential treatment over everybody tha thas to share it manually.

That's my only issue.

If we involve Shad in this collection of armchair writing / history / fantasy youtubers group, I am completely happy with it.

[hearty linden]

I'd like people who knows their stuff, but it's tolerable

[crimson field]

yeah

We could always hold polls on who would be allowed to join

or we should ignore mob rule

and just dictate what people are allowed to view.

but at this point it's probably not very necessary to figure out who to add ot a channel and rename it

[grand ferry]

All will watch v tuber videos

[crimson field]

we could always temporarily take the channel offline (hide it)

and then process the changes over time

[wet karma]

My main gripe with that would be "Why are we including a very low quality content here?"

[crimson field]

Understandable. I'm mostly trying to find some middle ground between people who want to keep it and not. Though, I think the specifics regarding "which youtubers" should be in the bot channel will have to be adapted at least somewhat at some point.

It's probably not something that is necessarily needing to be dealt with atm, if the bot shad channel gets hidden, it can be done as a new discussion / poll for how to revive it

that way this discussion won't be too hard to decide upon. I think that if we try to solve everything at once, it'll end up being a vague hodge podge where most people will be unhappy because there's too much water in the wine (dutch phrase for compromising too much)

[low meadow]

I think there needs to be a timeframe on the removal of shad. Mainly as we can talk and talk until the apocalypse but never take action.

[crimson field]

🤣

fu Jester

[low meadow]

Lol it's true. It's filibustering. 😛

[crimson field]

Indeed

Well I'm just going to summarise the most important points I've read from people and pros and cons

and then just tag pyro with the summary

at that point either Pyro should ask the community or proceed with the plan, and that would mean a timeframe.

however since 92% of people or 95% I dunno, something alogn those lines are positive, I dont see any reason to refuse so far

[low meadow]

Good plan

[crimson field]

Yeah will just require some time.

I'm currently making a document with name + message + message link

though I do my best, it might be that a person makes another relevant point, or whatever later down the line, but meh

They can fact-check it themselves

I'm already putting in a large chunk of effort, though it is my suggestion

[wet karma]

How about this Christmas? Would be a nice present

😛

[crimson field]

it's a possiblity

we should make a temporary Christmas channel among the others

with "all the gifts" that the mods are giving us

and every day, like one of those calendars for christmas, they take away another Shad thing.

🤣

Open your day 1 calendar: Oops kw-general is gone.

Day 2 calendar: Shadiverse gets renamed

🤣

and so forth

[brittle harness]

dont tempt meeeeee

[low meadow]

I think this should be the first action, then channel clean up, then dealing with mods and becoming more community oriented.

[crimson field]

Yah probably

but we'll see. Just take it one step at a time. I'll gently nudge stuff and try and make stuff easier for the mods however I can

[hearty linden]

As long as no one has f unny ideas on what to delete...

[crimson field]

What are you referring to Dark?

I just finished making a crude summary. I'll post the TLDR summary later today + the summary later today

[hearty linden]

If the keeps gets purged I'm throwing hands

[crimson field]

oh yeah, there's been no suggestion from anybody regarding that so far. Not in any of the multiple suggestion threads

[low meadow]

Lmao that stays, same with the gatehaus.

[crimson field]

Nobody has floated that idea at all, so I don't see it being added to the kill list.

[hearty linden]

One never knows who may be holding such ideas for when the time comes

[crimson field]

Well I'm summarizing the messages and I'm ~~colluding ~~ working together with the mods on this, to prevent wrongthink unnecessary suggestions from being implemented.

https://tenor.com/view/discord-ban-banned-papers-please-glory-to-discord-mods-gif-27431340

Ok so I'll post the proof summary as best I can later today. It'll be:

1. Proof summary which includes self-assigned server nickname + message + message link.
   (I only included or tried to include relevant points to dehtrone Shad, less so regarding other points, such as all the channel cleanup thing and other stuff. I did not include who upvoted what, so people who did not speak, will not be included, sadly. Feel free to include them yourself by mentioning them. In the case I saw a name, but not a clear message in favour of a specific idea like dethroning Shad, I'll include the name but add question marks, so that the person in question can fill in the blanks)
2. TLDR summary this is my summary with names in favour of against of specific suggestions. Though I will mostly focus just on the dethrone shad one. It was a bit confusing due to not having very clear suggestions separated throughout the timeline, so there were seemingly random suggestions.
3. My interpretation based on the summary and my future suggestions for the next stage.

Anyway once I post it, fele free to critique any aspect / fill in any aspect, for example if you think someone said something else, please provide the message link. As I mentioned, it's possible I missed some things, though I just did my best to not ignore any names or ideas. I think I do have every name that did speak up (not sure about people who emoticon responded, since I didn't check). Though I could reasonably miss multiple suggestions (for example the future name of the server, but I'd prefer if that was handled after we either accept or reject the main premise of the suggestion.

[hearty linden]

That sounds sensible. I think it's a rather good step forwards

[crimson field]

tyvm

Like Jester mentioned, if I don't, it'll be likely we either wordvomit until the end of the world, or the wordvomit dies off until the thread gets ignored by all

I'll probably ask if the mods can tag @ here or something, for everybody who said something in this thread. That way everybody should theoretically have the possibility to defend themselves from the message I found of them. I did my due diligence best I could to interpret them fairly, but from 2000 messages, it is easy to miss a few.

[hearty linden]

If there's a need to input or a different way of working stuff, do @ me. I think it'd be good for the server's health to get this through

[crimson field]

thanks, Dark.

BTW I cant really post it in one message cuz discord started deleting seemingly random chunks of it, so I'll just post it per person. 🤣

BTW I chose not to grab a document. Yes it'd work, but people would have to open an external link, or download a file. In this way, people see the messages clearly. Yes it is walls of text, but with the text formatting, I am hopeful it is relatively easy to navigate.

xandark10, Sorcerer of Sarcasm:

xandark10, Sorcerer of Sarcasm: We can remove shad branding and still accept those mostly here to talk shad stuff #1272221304761618473 message
xandark10, Sorcerer of Sarcasm: I don't want to #1272221304761618473 message
xandark10, Sorcerer of Sarcasm: I agreed with Sili's suggestions #1272221304761618473 message
xandark10, Sorcerer of Sarcasm: It's now on us to make this server work for the people #1272221304761618473 message

🎃Pyro, Incinerator of Ghosts 🔥👻

Pyro typed messages and asked questions, but did not seem to post a specific message involving pro or against the idea. I did find this message, which seems like he is not necessarily in favour or against, but more focused on a channel cleanup?

🎃Pyro, Incinerator of Ghosts 🔥👻: I don't think rebrand or migration is the main concern indeed, I think we can start by shedding some channels if they have a spot to be talked about elsewhere #1272221304761618473 message

Colt Meisterburger Bürgermeister

Colt Meisterburger Bürgermeister: But does it matter? why rebrand? #1272221304761618473 message
Colt Meisterburger Bürgermeister: If it is not on his channel anymore, then it is a mute point. We can keep the name and have less work #1272221304761618473 message

Dark, old man of the Keep

Dark, old man of the Keep: This was talked about in the past. Funny enough, I think most of the ones I can recall being in favour of "keeping the brand" have left anyway #1272221304761618473 message
Dark, old man of the Keep: It also came with the content creator not being able or wanting (in the end, doesn't matters which) to actively engage in here. So the community "evolved" on it's own path #1272221304761618473 message
Dark, old man of the Keep: Yes, but I'd go for a transition period, not removing Shad's "brand" and bringing someone else ASAP.

If I was a content creator, are invited and find this I'd feel awkward about it myself.

I'm more of the idea of letting the server go on for a while (as it has been in the practice) and eventually go to someone if needed and say "hey, we're having this good thing here, want to join?" #1272221304761618473 message

Swordsmyth

Swordsmyth: I object to yeeting the Shad channels
If the server wants to rebrand that's fine, but there's no reason to yeet the channels

And Shad didn't leave the server, the server left him
The amount of Shad hate that the server staff themselves engage in is shocking #1272221304761618473 message

Zolanius

Zolanius: Dunno if it makes a difference, but I'm also in support of distancing the server away from shad.
In fact, I don't care how violently it is done. If all his related channels get yeeted alongside him and his mooks (whom haven't engaged with the server since I've been here), I wouldn't raise any concerns.
If the end result is the server coming to terms with it not being Shad's anymore, I'm okay with whatever means.

I've also seen in the beginning that there was talks about moderation.
I think greater transparency both in rules and their enforcement would be nice, but considering the low amount of mods around, I don't think it's really feasible without messing it up.
Going "democratic" is an option, but it's a bad one considering the average social maturity of the community.
Getting more mods seems to be an issue, seemingly for the aforementioned reason of low IQ specimens proliferating the recruiting pool.
Axing channels to reduce workload would lead to riots if done too much, and would also just push the toxicity from their containment channels to more public ones.
Empowering active mods with greater power would not solve anything in my opinion. Like, Pyro handing over the server to somebody else would just make that mod needing to pull double duty at moderating and reorganising the server.
It seems that line of talk has died off, so I say it should be left at that until more moderators arise.

So yeah, those are my two forints. #1272221304761618473 message

[crimson field]

Lied Etal

Lied Etal: I 100% support this notion for us to rebrand. A lot of people do not want to be associated with Shad after how far the controversial downhill he went, that there is an entire Reddit about exposing his nonesense which happens to be the most popular Shad Reddit; pretty much everyone are here for non-Shad content anyway (such as #library). We can start with removing the cringy af banner.

I also believe he was the reason behind some of the rulings regarding what is appropriate and what is not, but I am not directly suggesting a policy change afterwards since it is up to the higher ups to decide what rules to keep and what rules to change. #1272221304761618473 message

c h r i s t y

c h r i s t y: Just to say it again, I think a rebrand would be beneficial and I'm in support of it.

Finding a name will be hard but it would not only help distance ourselves from something we simply aren't and haven't been for a while but it will also help declutter drastically and maybe even improve activity (for a while?)

Lots of the unused channels are shad-related channels and don't get used because the users simply aren't there.

The focus point of this has long shifted towards general history stuff as well as arts and crafts and the community itself. The name is simply not reflective anymore. #1272221304761618473 message
c h r i s t y: i think a general history and writing server branding would be way better than getting another cc-branding #1272221304761618473 message

1pence2pence

1pence2pence: It’s a good idea. The server has almost nothing to do with Shad and he certainly wants nothing to do with it #1272221304761618473 message

Noah the red

I have no idea what Noah wants. His messages were responses to people, but I could not interpret whether or not he was in favour, against, or neutral about the dehtroning of Shad.

Jester🌳 (Brick/Mortar)

Jester🌳 (Brick/Mortar): Sure, remove shad as he removed the server. Remove unused channels to declutter the server. And see how the server goes from there. #1272221304761618473 message
Jester🌳 (Brick/Mortar): Create a new channel after deleting the shad ones. Call it "youtube armchair historians” #1272221304761618473 message

Randy Kalff

Randy Kalff: I agree with the earlier suggestion to have general YouTuber channels, not just Shad.
Who is still here for just Shad?
Look at the Shad channels and tell me.
That brand has died and Shad fans who stay probably won't complain about the change. #1272221304761618473 message
Randy Kalff: just ditch the brand entirely.
Nothing Shad specific, but don't ban him like he's the one who should never be mentioned. #1272221304761618473 message

Stary, Hobby Goblin

Stary, Hobby Goblin: I agree with this. I'm only here for workshop channel. I joined only when my BF (who joined for likely historical discussion) mentioned Carrie needing help some years ago #1272221304761618473 message

Aggadysseus

Aggadysseus: Although I'm only a lowly peasant, this seems pretty reasonable. So long as it's for practical and not political reasons, it should, if anything, improve the server. And what more could we ask? #1272221304761618473 message

Arachnoquacker

Arachnoquacker: I should be the new Duck King of the server #1272221304761618473 message
Arachnoquacker: As long as I'm the duck mascot of the server #1272221304761618473 message

Artorex

Artorex: Yeah I think it's time our little community moved on from Shad. The server isn't even about him anymore, it's just about general fiction and history discussion and such. Now I vaguely remember hearing that he owns the server, in which case the mods could create a new one and we can migrate to it. #1272221304761618473 message
Artorex: Calling this server "Shadiversity" is also sorta false advertising at this point, so if more Shad viewers pop up they'll probably be very disappointed #1272221304761618473 message
Artorex: Tbh were basically false advertising already, were technically the official Shad server but we haven't received been that in a long time. #1272993180152758366 message
Artorex: Obviously the solution is we name Silimas server president for life #1272221304761618473 message

baygull

baygull: A poll to measure serious interest might be helpful towards getting more input and action. Most people in gatehouse have joked about declaring independence to varying degrees, but we'd have to know whether those who are mostly here for specific topic discussions would find it worthwhile. Sociology is not my forte, but it seems to me that shadiverse (the discord) has already grown into something semi-independent from shadiversity (the youtube channel), and to disconnect all the individual subjects we have here without something else to unite them under might give us something with less community than before. #1272221304761618473 message

baygull: Which is a whole lot of blabbing to say, if we're going to disband from shad, what will be the common theme that keeps all of our various genres co-operative? I'm probably overthinking the hell out of this, but to be candid, this is somewhat of a safe space for me and I really don't want to see this community become another mindless hive of infighting between self-absorbed cliques. #1272221304761618473 message

Verdigirl

Verdigirl: I agree that the disboard is a bit misleading. When I initially joined, I'd thought it was a place for history buffs, historians, and historical fiction authors. and while it does have those aspects to it, it's not as history-centric as the disboard sounded. to me ❤️ #1272221304761618473 message
Verdigirl: true. I wasn't here for when Shad left, but have read the back-messages/the tldr version of events to see what happened. I think it's clear the server has evolved away from its initial purpose, and requires a facelift/cleaning of house. different name. and I like the suggestion from other messages or threads to still have a space for a Shad discussion, if one wishes, and perhaps 1 place to post videos if people are interested. not necessarily an entire section dedicated to it. #1272221304761618473 message
Verdigirl: a shad discussion channel (idk if you'd need a disputatio version, but that's up to the mod's discretion). keep all shad-ism talk there. I wouldn't mind a catch-all channel for all historical YTers, or fantasy and history (the historian in me would love one channel for history, like a history resource vid channel, and a fantasy resource channel, but that may be too specific for the server's broader needs). If they'd like, a catch-all video discussion channel may be nice, so there's a place to talk specifically Shad for those who want, and another space who wants to speak about all different creators. #1272221304761618473 message

The Only True Witchking

The Only True Witchking:

And Shad didn't leave the server, the server left him
Pretty sure he never came back after being told he's in fact wrong about brigandines
So idk
While he's still technically in the server, that sounds a lot like leaving

Besides, to me it seems antithetical to have Shad channels in a server where the staff apparently engages in a "shocking" amount of Shad hate

That's exactly what Silimas was also saying, people aren't here to talk about Shad's content; it's either just link spam, or fighting over Shad between Shad lovers and Shad haters

Imo the two should just be split; turn this server de jure in what it already de facto is, a non-Shad server
And make a separate, more focused Shad server, for his actual viewers #1272221304761618473 message

The Only True Witchking: Not a bad suggestion in theory (basically I agree with all your points), but I foresee several issues (beyond "Pyro just won't do it").

For one, it might be that the problem with the Shad channels being toxic is less Shad, and more the people in it; or at least a combination of both. Just look at disputatio... [Or even better, don't.]

Two, related to that, I think quite a few people would try to riot if the Shad channels are removed. Although to them I'd suggest making their own Shad appreciation server, as this one has mostly moved past him.
Three, and maybe the most important question, how should the server be rebranded after this? Especially in a way that people would still find it. I suppose new people join here quite often without knowing Shad (or at least without watching his videos), no idea how they find here, tbh.
But with a name change, what would be the new name? And the theme? I guess medieval/castle-related channel names can stay, but what keeps the History Corner + Library + inn + together?

So idk if it's worth it. [Obviously this is from the perspective of someone who is barely active and doesn't really care about anything except History Corner and occasionally blaming Pence; but there are just my two pence cents on the matter.]
#1272221304761618473 message
The Only True Witchking: I think the steps should be:

1. Archive the Shad/otherwise inactive channels, with a clear date when to remove them
2. Find a different name & branding
3. Remove mod powers from the mods that clearly aren't involved anymore (maybe ask some people, basically "Do you want mod powers? If yes, be active as a mod or lose them")
4. Only then look at recruiting new mods and possibly restructuring the admin/mod structures
   #1272993180152758366 message

Ryclops

Ryclops: In summary, we shall appoint a committee that shall appoint another committee that shall vote in unanimous triplicate on whether or not we actually do something.

Jokes aside, the reason I'm here (thus, the reason others might similarly join) is because I was looking for the highest member count #writing servers on Disboard. I saw this server in the top six and figured "Shad is recognizable, I generally liked some of the videos he's made, the server seems to include writing feedback, so letsa go." I'm here for the writing, not Shad. It doesn't functionally matter if he's here or not; only what I find as I try to engage here.

The only drama that's going to scare me away is interpersonal conflict that isn't moderated righteously. Otherwise, I don't care about the politics/technicalities of the server. I just want to write, laugh, and share with fellow nerds.#1272221304761618473 message

Literarisch ich

Literarisch ich: yessss Shad finally is getting yeeted #1272221304761618473 message
Literarisch ich: oh id want him to be banned but that wouldnt get a majority behind it i think#1272221304761618473 message

𝔈𝔯𝔞𝔱𝔢, 𝐷𝐸𝐹𝐸𝑁𝐸𝑆𝑇𝑅𝐴𝑇𝑂𝑅𝐼𝑈𝑆 𝓜𝓐𝓧𝓘𝓜𝓤𝓢

𝔈𝔯𝔞𝔱𝔢, 𝐷𝐸𝐹𝐸𝑁𝐸𝑆𝑇𝑅𝐴𝑇𝑂𝑅𝐼𝑈𝑆 𝓜𝓐𝓧𝓘𝓜𝓤𝓢: I honestly don't have time to read all the messages here, But I definitely think this seems a fair proposal. I will admit, I'm not really active here ever anymore except in ⁠blame_pence lol, But I do still like the server. And I've found in the past, From others I've been active on, that YouTuber servers are generally fairly reliant on the "host" YouTuber, if said YouTuber stops mentioning the discord in videos (As it sounds like has occurred here, Honestly it's been a while since I've watched any of Shad's videos.), Or stops making videos as often entirely, The server will start to die, Slowly or quickly, Until it's just a shell of its former self, And I do still like this server (Plus I think it's the first one I joined that still exists, So for that it's got a bit of a special place in my heart), So I'd like to avoid that happening here (Or, If it's already happened, Undo it lol.)#1272221304761618473 message

Bilbo Baggins the White

Bilbo Baggins the White: "the historian writer"?
Something in reference to but still unique #1272221304761618473 message

PegasusDust

PegasusDust: That was an interesting trip. I saw a few familiar faces from the old days, though unfortunately not my favorites. I'm curious to see what exactly that community dynamic is like, especially if I can have some fun times there.
It's an interesting situation with the Shadiverse server. I'm not a particularly new perspective, since I came because of Shad initially, lost interest in his new videos, then stayed for the community and memes. #1272221304761618473 message

ßkid™

ßkid™: You have my Drivers license #1272221304761618473 message

Melethron

Melethron: Maybe the bot could post videos from other channels in addition to Shadiversity. #1272221304761618473 message
Melethron: I like the video spam because I never go on Youtube for the sole purpose of finding videos. If most people ignore it, so what? #1272221304761618473 message
Melethron: That is what I meant #1272221304761618473 message

Osman Bey ☪ İrfan Ustad

Osman Bey ☪ İrfan Ustad: Aye I think that could work #1272221304761618473 message
Osman Bey ☪ İrfan Ustad: We can just have his videos in ⁠podium #1272221304761618473 message

tyranth.

12 august 2024. Tyranth. was tagged by Swordsmyth. #1272221304761618473 message

King Shad aka shadmbrooks is not allowed to be tagged according to the rules. So there was no tag.

There are no other team members in the discord.

As such none of Shad or his team have responded, or even typed in ages. The last message from tyranth. was 4 september 2023 #shad-video-discussion message
The lass message from Shad was from 17 dec 2020 #gatehouse message

End of Summary and start of TLDR Summary

This was the full summary. My position is is quite clear. Dethrone Shad.
So I'll provide names in favour / neutral / against / uncertain, calling out all the sus bastards for the inquisition

[crimson field]

Dehtrone Shad suggestion:

(I'll try to do it in alphabetical order. It was a bit confusing cuz of the offline / online in the right side, plus other stuff)
1pence2pence is in favour.
Aggadysseus seems in favour. As long as it's not for political reasons.
Arachnoquacker seems in favour. He just wants to stay the mascot of the server.
Artorex is in favour.
baygull is seemingly against. He thinks from my understanding that rebranding shad without any new common theme to keep us all co-operative. Or rather he is curious what the common theme would be and he is hesitant to ruin a space he likes.
Bilbo Baggins the White did not mention Shad dehtroning. Though he proposed "The Historian Writer" perhaps as a new name? In favour** (as confirmed by Bilbo)**
c h r i s t y is in favour.
Colt Meisterburger Bürgermeister is seemingly against. He doesn't see a reason that makes it necessary or useful or important from my understanding.
Dark, old man of the Keep is in favour.** (As confirmed by Dark)**
𝔈𝔯𝔞𝔱𝔢, 𝐷𝐸𝐹𝐸𝑁𝐸𝑆𝑇𝑅𝐴𝑇𝑂𝑅𝐼𝑈𝑆 𝓜𝓐𝓧𝓘𝓜𝓤𝓢 is seemingly in favour.
Jester🌳 (Brick/Mortar) is in favour.
Lied Etal is in favour.
Literarisch ich is in favour.
Melethron seems neutral. He only mentioned the Shad-bot channels being repurposed to a more general historical youtuber bot channel.
Noah the red is uncertain. Or rather I have no clue what his stance is.
Osman Bey ☪ İrfan Ustad is in favour it seems.
PegasusDust is disinterested in shad. Neutral.
🎃Pyro, Incinerator of Ghosts 🔥👻 is uncertain. He seems to think that rebrand or migration is the main concern. Mostly focused on shedding channels.
Randy Kalff is in favour.
Ryclops is not here for Shad, though not sure if they are in favour or against or neutral. It seems to be relatively neutral.
ßkid™ seems in favour, with his joke about "You have my Drivers license"

Stary, Hobby Goblin seems in favour. Only here for the workshop channel.
Swordsmyth is against.
The Only True Witchking is in favour.
Verdigirl is perhaps in favour? She thinks the server has evolvedd away from Shad.
xandark10, Sorcerer of Sarcasm is in favour.
Zolanius is in favour.
Silimas is in favour.

preliminary vote summary.

This is based on my own interpretation and accounting, so if we want to host a poll later, or anything else, that's fine. I just wanted to help move this suggestion along.

20 people in favour or seemingly in favour.
3 people against or seemingly against.
3 people seem neutal about the idea.
2 people are uncertain, or rather they did not seem to mention a clear opinion.

Even if we take the 9 that are neutral / uncertain and against, it would be 20 in favour and 8 votes in the latter categories.

From my understanding, the majority of poeple who seem interested in this suggestion are in favour or seemingly in favour.

or rather, depending on your perception, it is at least 2/3rds of people directly in favour versus people who are either against, didnt voice an opinion yet and are neutral.

Suggestions moving forward

• Create a poll to ask the people whether or not we should move forward with the suggestion
• We could tag the people here to ask if they agree with the 'vote' I interpreted from their messages, as well as mention the suggestion in some channels so more people can vote.
• After doing either or both or whatever, we should confirm whether we are going to rebrand.

Actions after proposal passes.

• Create a suggestion for the new theme of the server. (I assume it will be basically the same as it has been, but it can be good to decide it for the Disboard when inviting new people.

• Create a suggestion for the new name.

• Create a suggestion for the new banner.

• Discuss further in Channel cleanup / rework how the rebrand will affect that.

• Decidea timeline for how long it will take once all of these actions are finished being answered. I mean the transition period for shadites that want to have access for X amount of time to get the relevant info.

• Create a suggestion to decide on if we want to do something with the shadites. They are of course here to stay, but it might be good if there is a new place focused on Shad. How to proceed will be discussed in this.

I don't know what else is necessary at this point. Please let me know and add onto what you think.

[crimson field]

@clear ravine what say you buddy?

The important actions are listed sort of from below to the top. I.e. if you accept my results, you can do the bottom thing. If you don't, you should read above. If you don't trust that, you should read above.

if you want you can TLDR basically everything except the last message

The rest is just me providing "evidence"

🤮

[hearty linden]

I'll just note that I'm not just seemingly in favour, but verily instead.

[crimson field]

Edited.

[plush pecan]

I am in favour on removing Shad if the server no longer wishes to/can afford to take on the role

It might be healthier for everyone

[red marlin]

Usually is

[grand ferry]

The revolution has begun

[crimson field]

I will change your status from uncertain to in favour then.

[fickle bay]

Good luck

[paper island]

Honored that I'm first to be mentioned, lol

Never thought I'd live long enough to see a coup

But yeah a lot of us mods are inactive. I patrol memes and anime (and technically blamepence too but no troublemakers go in there). I used to be really active in the writer's portion of the server, but dropped off a few years ago, really should get back into it, even if not mod-related

[crimson field]

Ah well, I think a large chunk of the mod convo is sort of relevant, but also not relevant. In part it's more so about certain things and not other things.

Often it's mentioned (or rather if it was mentioned by me) in a general 'grudge' way. Not very evil, but like "something needs to be done and this is one of the things I see"

however I think Pyro said it before, it's not very useful to just give generic advaice that's inactionable

and it's also useless to focus on the past in these suggestions, so I'm trying to focus on the next steps.

[minor gale]

(this whole thing is historically fascinating, tbh. A real time coup d'eta)

[minor gale]

(but whatever happens, let us not lose our memes channel, oir greatest trove of treasure and value)

[crimson field]

tyvm Christy

[brittle harness]

Ofc

[crimson field]

Well I havent heard anybody suggest a deletion of the meme channel

in none of the suggestions

[brittle harness]

Sorry but I'm busy this weekend and can't really do anything

[crimson field]

No worries, take your time. IRL is importanto

[brittle harness]

Very very epic of you to summarise everything here

Thabks so much

[crimson field]

thanks ❤️ Yeah I tried to make it easier for our boi Pyro

[thick jasper]

So, any progress yet?

[crimson field]

You can check the pinned message

I'm currently waiting for Pyro to respond, but I'm giving him a few days

he's probs touching grass

The conclusion is clear. Massively in favour of dehtroning Shad. Now it's a question of either polling the server or more representation, or other shit. or just proceed with the suggestion

[crimson field]

Anyway I posted it in several channels. Kw-general and one of the shad channels. This should at least give pro-shad and anti-shad who engage in those channels a chance to respond.

[crimson field]

#1272221304761618473 message
Pinned message etc. @clear ravine

I basically did the work required. I don't think we can do anything unless mods take action now in some shape or form.

Without any mod approval or help at this point, it will die. Especially since the mods want no mob rule, and want the mod tema to vet and deal with suggestions. This is the chance to vet and deal with the suggesotin after a lot of debate by users (and mods)

Yeet Shad off the throne!

[low meadow]

Yeet him!

[kindred sundial]

I think you should probably take a true vote, negative voices will always be the loudest 🤔 in forums like this. You can do a true poll in discord. My vote is personally not to yeet shad, but downsizing seems very reasonably. Maybe lose everything but a video ping channel and a all in one discussion channel.

For all of his flaws, Shad is the one who got this community started and his videos brought a lot of us here. We can at least pay hommage to that if nothing else. The general armchair/historian channel is probably not a bad idea put together a bunch of them like Shad, Skall, Sellsword, etc etc

I wouldn't say the server is dead but I am generally in either #library or #933802758975410286which have remained active fairly consistently. The old timers in those channels that left and I now talk to in other servers left for reasons other than Shad's persona. I am in 10 or so servers for different things and activity seems to come and go for most. Most places don't have the sense of community to have people consistently active in them for different reasons. Truly, most servers don't want to commit to the activities needed to foster a community like that.

[steel charm]

Agreed, rebrand, maybe reduce to one or a few Shad channels

[crimson field]

Yes, that is why my suggestion would be to host a poll by the community via the mods, like you can quote me saying that in my post. But I cant do that

#1272221304761618473 message
Silimas: Create a poll to ask the people whether or not we should move forward with the suggestion

It is aprt of why I say that it is not possible for us, i.e. non-mods to do anything until we move forward with stuff like this.

Anyway the discussion of channel rebranding, like I also mentioned should be done seperataedly.

https://discord.com/channels/454767470507589653/1272987251101667389

There's also a suggestion for this

Doing it here only confuses the suggestions together.

[crimson field]

As previously discussed, that would be a separate suggestion. There is already a suggestion thread for that and it has been ongoing for a bit.

I suggest you voice your opinion on how to suggest the channel cleanup / rework there to get your voice heard.