Patch Quest Speedrun

[spring perch]

I wanted to make sure you guys were interested first

how about ahhhhh

15 hours from now?

[hasty plank]

15 hours from now I should be in bed

[spring perch]

imagine needing sleep to function

[hasty plank]

Sadly, I'm being forced to sleep

[gritty fern]

im at work

[spring perch]

oof

[gritty fern]

also why a monday lol

[vagrant jetty]

pain?

[spring perch]

I can't do it on weekends 😅

at least not this one

[hasty plank]

It's Monday?

[vagrant jetty]

rip

[spring perch]

next maybe

[vagrant jetty]

not everywhere

timezones

for me its 6:30PM sunday

[spring perch]

also mondays work really well for me

usually

[final seal]

augh

mmmmmmm

[spring perch]

can you guys join like 2 hours earlier?

[final seal]

mm

m

m

m

anyways

i dont think

i cant join this either

eurocentric moment

[spring perch]

<t:1707721200:F> does this time work?

you guys are acting like you live in different countries than me or something 😁

[vagrant jetty]

does this use 24hour or 12hour

[spring perch]

bro it literally says am/pm

[hasty plank]

Does the entire earth count as one country??🤔

[vagrant jetty]

no

[gritty fern]

no

[spring perch]

what

actually broken

[spring perch]

does it say 7:00 or something?

[vagrant jetty]

yep

[spring perch]

am

[vagrant jetty]

that wasnt my question tho

[spring perch]

no idea

[vagrant jetty]

ok

[spring perch]

What day should I host?

1. Monday
2. Tuesday
3. Wednesday
4. Thursday
5. Friday
6. Saturday
7. Sunday

[vagrant jetty]

monday at aforementiond time or thursday onwards

[gritty fern]

6 or 7

[hasty plank]

7

[spring perch]

does sunday work for you?

[final seal]

6 or 7

[spring perch]

.

oh

nevermind then

[vagrant jetty]

next sunday or this sunday?

[spring perch]

next

[vagrant jetty]

what time as i have archery on sundays

[final seal]

guys imagine if the speedathon started in 20 minutes

[spring perch]

damn archery

that's sick

[final seal]

me when the silly european has archery

[vagrant jetty]

this "silly european" can kill you from 20yds

[final seal]

ok

and?

[hasty plank]

That's something I've never seen texted before

[vagrant jetty]

ok

[final seal]

have fun

in a cell

:3

[spring perch]

what time are you guys available in EST

[final seal]

uh

est to cst?

[vagrant jetty]

no clue

[final seal]

how to do this

[spring perch]

https://sesh.fyi/timestamp/

[gritty fern]

depends

[final seal]

Sat, Feb 17, 2024, 12:00 PM - Sat, Feb 17, 2024, 9 PM

did this

do the thing

i am guessing not

[hasty plank]

<t:1708277400:F>

[final seal]

<t:1708225200:F>

ohhhhhhhhhhhh

[hasty plank]

Did it work?

[final seal]

<t:1708192800:F> - <t:1708225200:F>

[vagrant jetty]

how you do that

[final seal]

not going to tell you

[hasty plank]

We pressed the link

[final seal]

you will kill me

[vagrant jetty]

<t:1707677145:F>

ah

[hasty plank]

Wouldn't that make him want to kill you more?

[final seal]

<t:1708279200:F> - <t:1708311600:F>

<t:1708192800:F> - <t:1708225200:F> and <t:1708279200:F> - <t:1708311600:F>

[vagrant jetty]

*him

[final seal]

her

[vagrant jetty]

no

[hasty plank]

What

[vagrant jetty]

"pronouns"

[hasty plank]

I'm not well versed in "pronouns"

[final seal]

alex is a xir

[vagrant jetty]

there is literally a role fro pronouns

[final seal]

which is a real pronoun i swear

anyways

with the debacle settled

in 1 week something funny will happene

[vagrant jetty]

yes but not one of mine

[spring perch]

you?

[hasty plank]

So what time are we doing this?

[spring perch]

wait thinkin

Awry can you do half an hour later?

[hasty plank]

Yes I can

[spring perch]

ok then

[hasty plank]

If we are talking about the time I posted, right?

[spring perch]

yep

[hasty plank]

Ok, then yes I can

[final seal]

what about me

[spring perch]

?

you said you could at that exact time

[final seal]

no

do i need to change

[hasty plank]

Wut

[final seal]

since

i need

to

do

[spring perch]

oh wait you said saturday 💀

bruh

[final seal]

is that bad

[gritty fern]

i said next saturday or sunday

if tommorow i cant

[hasty plank]

I can't play Saturday

[final seal]

i can play saturday and sunday

[spring perch]

we are talking about the time

not day

[gritty fern]

ah

[final seal]

and i can play during everyday

if we did it

[spring perch]

we are playing on sunday

[final seal]

ok cool

[spring perch]

arachnid you can't do any later?

[final seal]

i can make it in sunday

[gritty fern]

7am to about 12pm est

i guess

but depends on some stuff

[final seal]

i think

[spring perch]

<t:1708279200:F>

great

[hasty plank]

As long as my family doesn't change their mind at the last second, I should be able to do it

[spring perch]

let's hope

[final seal]

as long as i remember this is happening

[spring perch]

I'll ping you guys

[final seal]

then i should be able to do it

[spring perch]

<@&813424947040747592> <t:1708279200:F> I'm hosting the first (of hopefully many) ever Patch Quest Speedathon. Multiple speedrunners are going to get in vc and stream a speedrun category for a few hours. Let's have fun and let's break some records!!

[final seal]

lets break all of smite

bones

[vagrant jetty]

All treasures

[final seal]

i mean

record

s

[spring perch]

is this even a category?

[vagrant jetty]

idk

your the speedrun mod

[spring perch]

it's not

[vagrant jetty]

make it onne

[final seal]

no

[verbal rock]

all treasures is kind of a pointless category no offence

[final seal]

c for british

[verbal rock]

as its basically TE+

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ye

[spring perch]

not really

[verbal rock]

at least imo

[spring perch]

it's more like 100%

[verbal rock]

between 100% and TE

[vagrant jetty]

*offended

[spring perch]

actually no

I think 100% is just pins

I may be wrong

[final seal]

treasure% is another evil attempt by alex to stroke his big juicy ego

[verbal rock]

100% iirc was everything

[vagrant jetty]

:(

[spring perch]

I don't even remember anymore

[vagrant jetty]

100%TE is all note tabs completed

[final seal]

alex the nettle

[spring perch]

we can try any%

or some shrines

[final seal]

snail shrine should be fun

[spring perch]

or we can just speedrun whatever we want

[hasty plank]

We need more shrine runs

[final seal]

we should speedrun

amogus%

amogus% should become real category

because i made some epic rules

for it

[hasty plank]

What would it be though

[final seal]

visit all three stones (zen, volcano, rust) in a new save

[spring perch]

amogus% is more scuffed than shiny% 1 pin

[vagrant jetty]

all three stones?

[final seal]

theres my new speedrun category

[final seal]

well ye

duh

[spring perch]

wanna do butterfly% or lizard%?

butterfly is shorter

[final seal]

lizard

scorpion% could also be fun

smite can i organize which %s we do

since we are doing multiple

plz :3

[spring perch]

sure

[final seal]

thanks

[spring perch]

we need to get some runs in the categories that don't have any

so Lizard%

next time we'll do Scorpion%

[final seal]

we need a good easy speedrun to start

with

[spring perch]

cause it takes longer

[spring perch]

butterfly is pretty easy

[final seal]

maybe

toad%

i think itd be funny

to see alex

[spring perch]

it has enough runs

[final seal]

actually get a good score

[final seal]

true

bat%

bat has 2 runs

[spring perch]

we can put it to a vote when time comes

[final seal]

yes

[gritty fern]

is scorpion rust

[final seal]

yes

[spring perch]

it's the most difficult outer dungeon

[final seal]

i think

this is a good set for now:

lizard%, ne/te any%

these 2 i think we can do

but we can add more

for fun

[gritty fern]

fossil bone pit would be hard

[final seal]

no

lizard%

doesnt

go to tar pits

[gritty fern]

i know

[azure hamlet]

2am 😔

[spring perch]

sleep during classes 💪

[azure hamlet]

great idea 💪

[final seal]

silly Australian

[slender matrix]

https://discord.gg/patchquest?event=1206939945059487794

[final seal]

@spring perch

have u decided on the speedruns

ye

t

[spring perch]

we'll vote between butterfly and lizard tomorrow

[vagrant jetty]

low%?

[spring perch]

no

[spring perch]

<@&813424947040747592> The speedathon starts in 8 minutes!!

[final seal]

banban

[gritty fern]

wait what

[verbal rock]

ill start the event in 6 mins if it doesnt automatically

[spring perch]

I can't create a poll here 💀

[final seal]

ok

[verbal rock]

want me to try?

[spring perch]

yeah

[brave patrol]

**:bar_chart: poll? **

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[vagrant jetty]

:)

[spring perch]

between lizard and butterfly

[final seal]

alex brain big

so we are doing butterfly/lizard

and what else

[brave patrol]

**:bar_chart: What speedrun category do you prefer for the Speedathon? **

🇦 Lizard%
🇧 Butterfly%

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[spring perch]

we are going to run just one category

[gritty fern]

butterfly is in hive right

[final seal]

oh

[vagrant jetty]

?!>!>!?!?!?

[final seal]

silly silly

[vagrant jetty]

hive not swamp

[gritty fern]

my brain swapped the two

[final seal]

rocket is not pq lover

[gritty fern]

lmao

[final seal]

btw

guys

liam

told me

[gritty fern]

i wont be able to join for an hour

[final seal]

he was going to add rock to habitanks

!!!!

[gritty fern]

cus it went 2 hours back from when i last checked the time was supposed to be

[verbal rock]

.

[gritty fern]

how long this gonna last

[hasty plank]

Wait what

Damn it

[spring perch]

as long as we want

[hasty plank]

Why am I so bad at reading time

[final seal]

ye

[hasty plank]

So this is awkward

I can't make it

Unless you all plan to play for over 8 hours

[vagrant jetty]

no 100/low% unfortunatly

[gritty fern]

i am here now

where is everyone

[vagrant jetty]

event ended

[gritty fern]

bruh

[final seal]

that went horribly

[gritty fern]

damn

[hasty plank]

So did you guys beat Smite's record?

[final seal]

idk

[dawn pike]

For the low% I'm doing prismosphere might be a good strategy

[spring perch]

in low% you have to do the TE?

[dawn pike]

yes

well

the one I'm practicing

low% TE

there is for other games low% NE but what's the fun in that

I got quite close while maintaining low%

But I still need to get better

At the end they were attacking way too quickly though

I'll just have to practice more ig

[spring perch]

do doors add to the percentage?

[dawn pike]

Yes

All shortcuts

So this is the Path of the first mission

while always keeping low%

[final seal]

correct

[dawn pike]

Then this iirc

[final seal]

correct

but idt

you can

[dawn pike]

third

[final seal]

show how the matrinox or hexiom route take

since

underwater

i think

you should

try doibg

the crystals

in different runs

since

it will be harder

[dawn pike]

that's the idea

each colour is one run

[final seal]

no

i meant

the crystal dungeons

[dawn pike]

oh those too

[final seal]

also

ik this might be a tiny bit off topic

but

how to cure procrastination

real question

[dawn pike]

This is the route I have devised

1st - black
2nd - red
3rd - pink
4th - blue
5th - green
6th - purple
7th - underground

No pins,
No perks,
No mounts,
No shortcutts,
No friendly critters (only through critter converter),
No ailments

[spring perch]

actually impossible

[dawn pike]

Not quite

I'll start by doing it while not really caring about resetting if I get an ailment note

and I'll slowly start finding ways to reduce them

The hardest 3 will be gamamole, orobos, and hexiom

[spring perch]

you can't defeat any core boss in one run

[dawn pike]

Are you sure?

I've gotten really close

[spring perch]

I would know

well

you can

but not perkless

[dawn pike]

I'll still keep on trying

If it's absolutely not possible without a TAS then I'll look into which shortcutts are worth opening, completion % wise and on their practicality

[spring perch]

no need for that

just use perks

wait

pins

[dawn pike]

Well if it takes 10 pins (not accurate i know) to get one explorer level up, that could count as 11 points of completion percentage with how it currently is

since they aren't weighted

so if I choose to do bat dungeon for example, I get one treasure, one shortcut.

[spring perch]

3, 4, 4, 5, 5, 6, 6 and so on

[dawn pike]

yeah

[spring perch]

until lvl 20

[dawn pike]

So I could get the first perk for 4 points completion, or I could open the dessert door, and beat bat temple for 3 points

but if the 3 pins are ammos then that helps me with every run

the treasure could help with some runs, and the door would help with 3 runs

so as I said it's weighing each option

[spring perch]

you should unlock monstaphone and get dismount mates

that will help with getting longer runs

you can just plant a pin that gives it

[dawn pike]

can't

until the last few runs

as it requires a dungeon

[spring perch]

you can do more runs

[dawn pike]

I would have to do pectrum as the first run

[spring perch]

for example

you can do multiple runs to get all the pins you need to unlock monstaphone

and then go for omalon

just the first room or something

[dawn pike]

monstaphone is useless though

[spring perch]

?

[dawn pike]

no mounts

I would also have to get a pet

[spring perch]

you don't get mounts if you dismount before the end of the battle/phase

[dawn pike]

They still show up in the reccords tab

and each level up I get including 0 is 1 point

[spring perch]

I'm 99% sure that if you dismount before you unlock it, it won't show up and you won't get exp

[dawn pike]

I tried

it shows up but as level 0

[spring perch]

I'm actually going to try it

I don't believe that you can't do it

damn

I actually didn't know

https://tenor.com/view/the-more-you-know-gif-16083359911448889724

[dawn pike]

Did you find what I said to be true?

[spring perch]

yeah

thought if you do it fast enough it wouldn't show up

[dawn pike]

At least I'm not trying challenge% though

[dawn pike]

sadly not

that means that the crystal dungeons will give:
1 point for a shortcut
1 point for a treasure
1 point for a mount

This will be a very difficult challenge

Wait

I've had an idea

instead of going for heavy blaster at the start, what if I go for regeneration

or

Try and get as much evasion as possible

since I don't want afflicting anyway I can convert it to evasion or health whenever i get the chance

[spring perch]

I think even with max evasion you dodge only 25% of the bullets

And since you can't use the monstaphone strat, you'll need the damage

But I don't disagree

Maybe get a few points in evasion

[dawn pike]

That combined with my own dodging, the 3s invincibility perk, and being able to regenerate at random points and after ever big fight

it might be possible

[spring perch]

I don't know how well you can evade monsters that move at mach 12

[dawn pike]

I’ll do my best

[vagrant jetty]

for the blue and green runs its faster to go up breakback slope

[dawn pike]

Probably

And it’ll increase the difficulty curve less

[dawn pike]

I’m going to have to get really good at dealing with monsters when the difficulty curve is high

[slender matrix]

Hi, does one of you remember how to get the energized note?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1166131793116799058/1232733425119657994/SPOILER_image.png?ex=662a87f7&is=66293677&hm=b8fda2fe27522e299633e2466ca7a8b865abd426573c8b305d6fde790369392d&

[verbal rock]

maybe eat one of the energising plants?

[slender matrix]

it's apparently not the trigger

IIRC someone made a all notes & other things speedrun so hopefully that person (or another) sees this and remembers how to get it

[dawn pike]

Is it specific mounts eating bugs?

[dawn pike]

Yeah it’s mounts eating bugs for example

Or I think some mounts can eat some plants iirc

Anyway why do you want to know out of curiosity

[slender matrix]

Because I plan to make a 100% speedrun #general message

[vagrant jetty]

!

[final seal]

beat alex

beat alex

[vagrant jetty]

:(

[dawn pike]

I’m going to be doing low% very very soon

My final run will be uploaded as just a run but I’ll also do an entertaining video in dragoon’s style about it using his YouTuber school thing

[vagrant jetty]

:O

[dawn pike]

I have a plan of how I’ll do the video/run now and it’s going to be painful

Perfect for a dragoon style video

[final seal]

who tf is dragoon

[dawn pike]

A very funny entertaining YouTuber

[hasty plank]

He's the true cookie clicker

[dawn pike]

Dragoon?

Indeed

[dawn pike]

Is there a glitch to get through these?

If so I can skip the glacier zone entirely

[final seal]

glacier zone smh

not real pq fan spotted

[dawn pike]

I love glacier zone, but speedrun

[final seal]

no you said winter zone

thats the problem

[dawn pike]

ohhhh, I was also thinking about the winter island in skyblock when I said it

[dawn pike]

I've just proved to myself that I can get to and beat omalon with no shortcuts from a brand new patchlantis with no mounts

And now because of this I know the strategy

[final seal]

wow you might be able to beat smite omalon%

since he had to take two runs

on the other hand

maybe it was to reduce the winds power

[dawn pike]

However, there is a trade off

[dawn pike]

You have to have regeneration instead of heavy blaster

Or at least you do if you are doing it mountless

[final seal]

well you dont 'have' to

[dawn pike]

the difficulty scaling means that with out shortcuts or mounts you are going to get hit in the last 10ish battles + walkways so you need the healing

Also the shotgun ammo

[final seal]

what if you are very good

at game

[dawn pike]

Not to the point where your entire screen is red with bullets

There’s nowhere to dodge

[final seal]

what if you have

no clip

[hasty plank]

Does the screen just turn red?

[dawn pike]

No but there are way too many bullets

[dawn pike]

NOOOOOOO

MY GAME CRASHED

I HAD 100 IN BLASTING DEFENCE AND DOGING

AND I WAS 4 ROOMS AWAY FROM OMALON IN A LOW%

I WAS ABOUT TO DO A TRUE LOW% OMALON

I'm going to go cry now

[dawn pike]

I'm still so annoyed

[dawn pike]

I wonder if Alex faced anything like this when doing 100% runs

[spring perch]

I hope he did

[dawn pike]

Why

Because you hated verifying it?

THE PROGRESS SAVED MOSTLY

THE RUN

THE RUN IS SAVED

and I've found a glitch that will really help low%

WAIT I'VE FOUND A HUGE MAJOR GLITCH

I THINK

IT COULD SKIP MANY AREAS AND DOORS

[verbal rock]

whats the glitch?

is it csg 2

[dawn pike]

whats csg 2?

[verbal rock]

like the original CSG, but 2nd

[dawn pike]

Well I have no clue what that reference or in joke is but fair enough

[verbal rock]

csg is the corner skip glitch

[dawn pike]

ohhhh

[verbal rock]

it allowed you to skip any 1x1 room

[dawn pike]

no it might be much more powerful

[dawn pike]

nice

[verbal rock]

with an adjacent corridor next to it

[dawn pike]

oo nice

but if this works it'll skip a lot more than one room

[gritty fern]

https://youtu.be/NnHIN63LhYE?si=fOmLOL2bZc87lLgw

[spring perch]

ping me if it works

[dawn pike]

If it works I'm going to first record one of every speedrun so I can every every speedrun wr at once for a bit

but then yeah I will

[gritty fern]

evil mastermind type shit

[dawn pike]

hey so time in the menu doesn't count right?

[verbal rock]

it does

iirc

[dawn pike]

and it has to be in one run?

sitting*

[verbal rock]

yes

[dawn pike]

okay this would follow the rules

[final seal]

i might have to put 'glitchless' in my future speedruns to get more notoriety

[dawn pike]

this is just for scientific purposes

I won't submit any runs using it to speedrun.com but I will upload them to yt

[final seal]

well lets see if the glitch even works

[dawn pike]

I can't rn as I'm beating omalon low%

[final seal]

im recording my borka boss guide video for my channel anniversary 🥳

[dawn pike]

happy channel anniversary!

[final seal]

the channel is now about to be 1 year old

[dawn pike]

I mean you could probably figure out what the glitch is considering you're friends with me on steam

[dawn pike]

It doesn't work

[gritty fern]

what was it then

[dawn pike]

Well I realized that the side rooms change every time you reload the game, so I thought I might be able to go into one, reload, and then come out the other side

it doesn't work

it does let you get a bunch of charms though

[spring perch]

Btw make sure to read the rules

I don't remember if glitches are allowed or not

[dawn pike]

I have, it says one sitting, glitches allowed

But if they’re patched the run will be removed

But since pq wont be updated for a while any glitches are fair play

[dawn pike]

this should be fun

[final seal]

you are going to try hexiom%?

[dawn pike]

why not, it's the 2nd most fun

and no attempts

then I might do matrinox

then the best one: aurobos

and then omalon

[dawn pike]

Did it

61 GB video

@spring perch can I upload this to 7 categories?

[spring perch]

Mmm

[dawn pike]

And can I have permission to in a separate sitting get the rest of the cores and TE

[spring perch]

Let me talk with onkel about this

[dawn pike]

Okay

[spring perch]

What categories do you want to submit this to?

[dawn pike]

Crab, bat, sunrise, sunset, scorpion, hexiom, NE

[verbal rock]

whats the overall category your going for

[dawn pike]

And if it’s found I’m allowed to I’ll also make it omalon, matrinox, aurobos, TE

[dawn pike]

Hexiom

But also kind of scorpion

If it can only be hexiom that’s fine

I’m so proud of myself because I did it on my first run, and it’s the first hexiom% since 1.0

[verbal rock]

were gonna run a poll about it to see the consensus

[dawn pike]

But either way it’ll be hexiom% right?

[verbal rock]

still will be hexiom

[dawn pike]

That’s good

[verbal rock]

<@&813424947040747592>

see above poll for the ping

Speedrun admins wont be voting

[dawn pike]

I’m guessing I can’t vote

[spring perch]

You can

[dawn pike]

So in 48 hours or everyone voting we’ll see the results

That’s how the polls worked I thought

[spring perch]

Cya in a few days lol

[dawn pike]

Anyway I’m quite proud of myself for that run, it was my first attempt and also it’s the first of that category since 1.0 I believe

[final seal]

i personally think we should disallow multiple submissions of the same run

since the timer is not stopped at the time one of the goals is reached

this would add in new variables to runs that idt should be accountable

but idk, cause most of the people rn seem to with one run for multiple

and also

yeah

nvm

ive said everything i wanted to already

i think that it is just dumb to be allowed to submit to sunset, sunrise, omalon, hexiom, aurobos, matrinox, and TE just because someone tried TE%

would be happy to get counterpoints though

[dawn pike]

counterpoint: You wouldn't be anywhere close to the world reccords, and also you can cut the video at the end of each objective

but those are some good points

[final seal]

also i will say this

i think submitting to multiple speedrun categorys with one speedrun is objectively kinda breaking some rules

since you arent starting on a fresh save file for each run

if you start at omalon with the aurobos run

then you start there, not jungle

if you go back to camp instead to start aurobos run

you might have planted some pins or collected some, thereby gaining an advantage

just kinda sketchy

[verbal rock]

it wouldnt be that

itd be split from start of save file to completion of category goal

so the times after the first initial categories would be pretty bad

so e.g. doing matrinox last in a TE thing would lead to an atrocious matrinox time

[dawn pike]

or for example doing hexiom and then omalon would lead to an awful omalon time as you have the 2 hours of hexiom first

It's more for if someone does a hexiom run where they do crab first, then sunrise, would they be able to submit 3 times, because it's in the order you'd do it anyway and the time stops when you finish the objective, not when you think it's done

[final seal]

no

i am talking about it under the presumption of oaties idea of cutting the video up

[verbal rock]

it would be cut like say the vid timeline is this

Start ------------ Shrine 1 ------------ Shrine 2 ----------- Boss 1

then it would be cut into categories like:

Shrine1%
Start ------------ Shrine 1

Shrine2%
Start ------------ Shrine 1 ------------ Shrine 2

Boss1%
Start ------------ Shrine 1 ------------ Shrine 2 ----------- Boss 1

[final seal]

oh okay

i see

[dawn pike]

So you only cut off the end

To be fair

[final seal]

well

either way

i still dont support this 'multiple submissions' idea

[slender matrix]

Is it harder on the admins?

like, if it makes it a hassle to verify runs, or any other related tasks

[final seal]

i mean personally speaking i have no experience in speedrun moderating

but on the other hand

i feel like if you are a speedrun moderator

you kinda have to put in work to keep that title?

and this isnt exactly busy work either

i feel like it makes sense to submit different runs rather than the same one cut up

[dawn pike]

Also you just watch the full one and verify the others I guess

But for example if i want to mow do scorpion% I’ll have to do another 2 hour run, even though I already have a perfect one that follows the rules

Also it’s allowed for most other games

[final seal]

"erm, aktually, rule 5 states exactly that 'Timing ends once the objective has been completed,' which clearly, the timing does not end, because the video is cut up"

[dawn pike]

…

That’s not how that works

They stop judging after the objective is complete, so if you end the video there it is following the rule, if you carry on they just won’t add that bit to the time

It’s still a run from creation to the end

Also that’s why they don’t just use the time on your speedrun timer, they retime it for time in menus or at base

The timer is just so the speed runner has an idea of how they’re doing

[final seal]

not in pq speedruns i think

[dawn pike]

No they say in the rules time in menu doesn’t count

[final seal]

no they do not?

i dont know where you are getting this from

[verbal rock]

time in the menu does count

its just the timer can be paused in the menu

that rule isnt meant for normal categories however

its an exception meant for the beeg categories like 100%

[dawn pike]

But the run ends when you collect the item not when you stop the timer right?

[verbal rock]

correct

[dawn pike]

Ah ok

[dawn pike]

And as long as a run shows the creation and everything until that point it’s allowed within the current rules

(But that could change depending on the final decision)

I think as long as you don’t for example get omalon and then matrinox in a matrinox% it should be allowed for example

Because that would be wasting time and not really speedrunning

But if it’s the order you’d do things anyway it should be fine

[final seal]

oatie you do know that this rule only shows in 100% category, right?

[dawn pike]

I said that a moment ago

[final seal]

maybe in shiny% too idk

that ones probably big too

[dawn pike]

It’s so big it’s not officially checked

[dawn pike]

^ but look

[final seal]

cool

[dawn pike]

What do you think of my middle ground?

[final seal]

wdym

what is your middle ground

the middle ground of everyone? (minus the multiple sub thing)

its just kinda the rules or guidelines

?

[dawn pike]

This is a good solution for both sides

A compromise

[final seal]

this too

its called speedrunning for a reason

[dawn pike]

Also it stops someone going round 100%ing the game and then doing toad shrine for a joke

[final seal]

i feel like these submissions only exist to bloat categorys

they might not be number 1

but its just kinda annoying to see them exist at all in less played categorys where they might be number 2 or 3

[dawn pike]

But do you see why I think I should be allowed to upload a run into lizard% because it gets there as quick as possible, but then it also afterwards beats one extra boss

Because that’s a serious run

But it’s also a serious run for another category

[final seal]

if you cut out the 'beats one extra boss' part of the video then sure ig but if the video with the one extra boss part is then put into another category then that unedited speedrun in another category shouldnt be allowed, or the former shouldnt be allowed

[dawn pike]

Yeah

So that means I won’t have to do another 2 hour run to do the same thing again

And it’s not filling up other categories unnecessarily

[final seal]

idk this just kinda feels like an admission of laziness on your part

since i have personally never seen this in another speedrunning scene

[dawn pike]

So for example I could submit to starlit cavern% because I go start -> crab -> starlit. But not to gama as I do start -> crab -> starlit -> bat -> gama

[final seal]

and how it sorta nearly breaks rules

[dawn pike]

It is in Minecraft runs

[dawn pike]

Genuinely this is, what rule does it break

[final seal]

correct

or you could submit to gamma but not submit to starlit

idc really

just dont submit to multiple

[dawn pike]

I feel like I should be able to submit to scorpion and hexiom, the reason why it’s difficult to do another is because I don’t have the time to regularly do a 2 hour run

Because I’m very busy at the moment

Maybe a cap of 2 submissions if it’s a run over 90 minutes and the submissions are related

[dawn pike]

Do you think this would work better for you arachnid?

[final seal]

then do the other one at a later date once you become less busy

like next month

or something

[dawn pike]

I’m going to be busy for up to 3 years straight and then uni

It’s rare for me to get enough time for these things

[final seal]

theres no small break in your area?

[dawn pike]

I have 1.5 years of school where I’m going to be expected to get 11 nines pretty much, and then A level

[final seal]

too many briish terms for me

but im assuming thats pretty stressful

[dawn pike]

I have to do nearly 40 tests and every expects me to get over 99% on all of them

[final seal]

over 99%? really?

[dawn pike]

Because I’ve always been seen as a bright kid

[final seal]

for what reason

[final seal]

bruh

[dawn pike]

Varies from 95-99% for the top grades

Also my brother did exceptionally well

[final seal]

if you cant keep up the pressure then dont keep up

[dawn pike]

Not really an option

Anyway I will find time, it’s just really rare for me to find 2.5 hours straight

[final seal]

if its not a requirement and only exists as a 'expectation' from people who dont really know you then who cares

[dawn pike]

It’s also what I want to get

It’s only done by very few people in the country, and it will help me get into the next stage of school and university (college)

Anyway you know what I’ll just do longer runs at midnight

I’m awake anyway

[final seal]

i mean personally

i have also always been seen as decently smart but like

i dont really care?

its like 'and?'

[dawn pike]

That’s fair enough, but I plan to get into Oxford uni which is like no 3 in the world

[final seal]

i mean sure good grades and whatever but like why does that mean my whole life is revolved around academics

[dawn pike]

And I know I can do it

[dawn pike]

Yeah

[final seal]

and most of the things that actually squeeze time out of my free time are self imposed lol

[verbal rock]

all ill say Oatie, even if ur the greatest, getting into Oxford is a gacha game

just focus on gcse's for now

can worry about oxford application later

[dawn pike]

I was invited to go there because they think I’ll be good enough to be a student there in a few years

It’s a great place

[verbal rock]

ah

[final seal]

making card games, making videos, writing a book, and coding are some of the things i have to balance on top of school, of which im also at an advanced level in so its harder, where i can still find time with games 🤯

[dawn pike]

But yeah I’m just stressing over nothing

[verbal rock]

so private school applicant

makes sense then

[final seal]

its not that bad tbh

[dawn pike]

No, I’m from a public school

Which is why i want to work hard

[verbal rock]

is it oxford outreach then?

or smth like that (dont remember the name)

[final seal]

and anyways if you cant even find time for 1 hour of speedrunning

then idk what to say

i would say speedrunning is a fairly time intensive hobby

[dawn pike]

Idk, but they found the people from public schools with the best school results from all over the country and invited us all to go and stay there for 2 days

[final seal]

even casual speedrunning takes a fair amount of time

[dawn pike]

I’ll be able to find time, I’m just stressing

[final seal]

exactly

[dawn pike]

But I do have a tight schedule

[final seal]

why are you worrying about uni already

you might be close

but like theres 3 years between still

[dawn pike]

It’s 3 years away

Yeah

And 2 of those are exams

[final seal]

and theres like an hour and a few more in 3 years

[dawn pike]

In a few months I have the exams to decide if I get into the year of school after next

[final seal]

"erm, last time i checked, exams do not take up 2 entire years of your life"

i know that was metaphorical

but still

its not that big

[dawn pike]

They do for me next year as I have a 2 term exam and then 1 term of hall exams

[final seal]

huh?

yk all these uk terms are muddying up my brain

[dawn pike]

Engineering exam starts at the end of the school holidays and ends when I start my paper exams

[final seal]

idk what any of these means

[dawn pike]

I have an exam from the start of the year to Easter

And then exams from Easter to summer next year

[final seal]

what does that mean

you have an exam

that streched over multiple months?

[dawn pike]

It’s not a paper exam

It’s a giant project for engineering

[final seal]

so you just go to school to chip away at a single exam?

[dawn pike]

5 hours every 2 weeks I’ll be working on it

[final seal]

i mean its only 2.5 hours out of 1 week

cant be that bad

or stressful

[dawn pike]

No, but I might have to go in after school most days to get it done

And stress wise it’s worth half one of my 11 grades

Anyway I’m going to do some midnight speed running

Well 20 past 11

I’m hoping to see the aurora at midnight

I missed it twice

[final seal]

do british people say half one instead of one half?

[dawn pike]

It is half of 1, it’s one half of a grade.

[final seal]

thought your parents would be the restrictive type

[dawn pike]

Hahaha, they are

But my dad is away

And my mum probably won’t hear

So I’m doing it quietly in secret

[final seal]

crazy 🤯

[dawn pike]

I’m used to how to stay silent

[final seal]

🤫

:trolling:

[dawn pike]

I’ve done a hexiom%, do I now do lizard%, scorpion%, matrinox% or aurobos%

[final seal]

do a lizard

easiest one

though you have to do sweeteor and tyrage

not sure how that would go

[dawn pike]

I got close one time, but I was trying to do it in one run not 2

Also in my hexiom run I had the speedrun timer horizontally at the top so I couldn’t see a single boss healthbar the whole run

[final seal]

one run lizard is pretty hard

[final seal]

lol

[dawn pike]

It’s not worth it as the bronzai will take too much time on the higher difficulty curve that it’s quicker to do 2 runs

[final seal]

yeah

[dawn pike]

I could also do some glitch hunting now

[final seal]

i think the best course is to

1. unlock sweeteor cave to hill
2. defeat sweeteor, tyrage, and bronsai

[dawn pike]

Yeah, I agree

No, clearly it’s go through dessert, volcano, volcanicus, tyrage, bronzai

[final seal]

desert is interesting too

[dawn pike]

Wait no, sweeteor, tyrage, pass the dungeon, turn off the volcano, desert, volcano, volcanicus, tyrage, bronzai

(Sarcasm)

[final seal]

oh wait nvm

[dawn pike]

I mean dessert might be quicker depending on how slow you are in fossil

[final seal]

i thought for a sec desert connected to tar pits, which would mean you could skip sweeteor and tyrage

[dawn pike]

Oh yeah

But you need to open it

Has there at any point in pq history been a way to clip into a closed gate barrier?

[final seal]

not quite sure but probably

its also been probably patched

[dawn pike]

I mean I’ve found ways to clip into altars

To get perfect rng

And also to get infinite difficulty scaling

Without ever leaving the same room

So maybe there is a way

Actually I wonder if I can make the difficulty scaling hit a point where it breaks and no longer works, or maybe cycles round into negatives, or resets

[final seal]

hmmm

i feel like if glitches get too out of hand we might have to impose a glitchless rule

[dawn pike]

If I make the difficulty scaling go that high using the glitch it might go round

[dawn pike]

All these glitches take too long to be useful

I’m thinking more for things like non-official challenge runs

[final seal]

yeah

[dawn pike]

Do you want to know the infinite difficulty glitch?

[final seal]

sure

[dawn pike]

If you save and quit the game when you reload it not only will the whole map reload including locations of everyone, and the type of room you’re already in, but it will count the room you just landed on as a new room

Repeat

[final seal]

interesting

[dawn pike]

It’s the same way you can get every charm in just the first 2 rooms

Go to the 2nd room, reload, claim your charm

In the first room

Repeat

[final seal]

i see

[dawn pike]

Although that is a form of save scumming

[final seal]

you can also get infinite stats with that

since once the game runs out of charms it will give stats instead

well i shouldnt say infinite

up to 100 for each

[dawn pike]

Yeah, but the difficulty gets insurvivable

[dawn pike]

If it runs out of stats and charms I wonder if it would break and give a rare charm

[final seal]

it doesnt

it will continue giving you stats

nothing will happen since they are all at 100

[dawn pike]

I mean the reloading is broken and the code doesn’t really work so it might hit a point where the landing zone starts to give rare charms again

Since there is the glitch to get 2 rare charms and up to three anyway

[final seal]

i once had an insane run where i beat omalon, hexiom, and matrinox, and aurobos in one run because i got a super op run and abused mount abilities

[dawn pike]

You can do the same with just regen and heavy blaster

Or mount cool-down and skill battery + regenerate or heavy blaster

Also getting all dungeon treasures in one run is powerful

[final seal]

yeah

[dawn pike]

Also I feel we’re moving a little too far away from speedrunning, should we move to general?

[final seal]

this is still tangentially related to pq speedrunning

and also i kinda need to go anyways

[dawn pike]

Alright, bye

[final seal]

its been fun talking though'

[dawn pike]

Yeah

[final seal]

btw

onkel

can you pin the poll

cause its getting kinda lost

[dawn pike]

I was going to say I enjoyed your habitanks v3 video

[dawn pike]

But I will forever remain the best v3 player /lh

[final seal]

i recently made a tyrage guide vid

i dont even know who needs pq boss guides but whateves

[dawn pike]

I saw, I’m a bit late in the game to need it though lol, I watched it anyway

It’s entertaining, and there isn’t enough pq YouTube content rn anyway

[final seal]

my borka run was kinda insane

[dawn pike]

Lol

[final seal]

i got tattoad

i had vitaments

[dawn pike]

Oo nice

[final seal]

:trolling:

i basically stunlocked the boss by melee attacking it

which gave it poison which freezes the boss for a few seconds before they remove it

and then repeat

very funny

[dawn pike]

Good combo

[final seal]

i also found out that borkas second gambit can be avoided by standing in the middle

[dawn pike]

Huh

Interesting

Could be useful for a matrinox%

[final seal]

ermmm

what

oh

ok

[dawn pike]

Autocorrect

[final seal]

wait not

wait no

still an

ermmm

what

borka is not required to beat matrinox

[dawn pike]

Ik

But it’s item is useful

[final seal]

if it doesnt make the run faster then its useless in a speedrun imo

but whatever

time to dash!

[dawn pike]

That’s what I’m thinking, by skipping phases it might be quicker

Bye

[hasty plank]

I think I missed some stuff...

[slender matrix]

It's still work you have to do on top of everything else. And work that can come unannounced

Best to make it as easy to handle if you can, so you have less obstacles for when you have to do it but would prefer to not have to.

[dawn pike]

Onkel or Smite, my obs didn't reccord the speedrun timer, can I still submit my video on speedrun.com?

like maybe just take away the time until the timer starts from the total time

[dawn pike]

@spring perch I've submitted a run.

[spring perch]

Don't expect it to be verified this week

[spring perch]

I'll deal with it

[dawn pike]

Of course not, you're probably a very busy person and it's a 2.5 hour run

I know it's a very slow run but it'll still be wr

[spring perch]

No worries 👍

[dawn pike]

I don't see any runs of it on your channel so I don't have a baseline to work off

no pre-existing runs

Give it to Onkel to check instead /j

lol

[dawn pike]

yeah I have the only hexiom% on youtube ever

no-one has been insane enough to try I guess

@vagrant jetty I'm coming for 100% soon...

[vagrant jetty]

DONT YOU DARE

:(

[dawn pike]

I'm going to first do Aurobos%, Omalon%, and Matrinox% first

you have time to mentally prepare

:3

[dawn pike]

What will you change your name to if you stop having the world reccord? 🤔

[vagrant jetty]

ILL PUT IN FIRST

-capslock

[dawn pike]

lol

Maybe you'll have to do another attempt if I beat you

I think I'll get on smite's bad side if I keep on doing multiple hour runs though

[final seal]

i just commented on your speedrun vid

[dawn pike]

I'm subscribed to you btw

random thing I just remembered

aw, that's nice

[final seal]

i also subbed to you

i am gauging YouTube stuff rn

im planning to release another rs vid to bridge the gap to anniversary week

but then communite updated

so i need to do a video on that

very complicated stuff

also oatie

please

PLEASE

do not use autocados

it is so bad tbh

matrinox route:
open glacier door
defeat matrinox

in 2 runs

[dawn pike]

I don’t usually, however in very few cases I do

Usually if there isn’t any other ammo

Also does 100% include every pet at gold crown and every monster at level 4? As they are in the collection tabs, or is it like shinies where they aren’t needed?

It’s not clear in the rules

AlexTheNETO100%PQspeedrunWR

[dawn pike]

@vagrant jetty sorry for the ping but ^

[vagrant jetty]

well...

[dawn pike]

I'll take that as a no one really knows

[vagrant jetty]

lemme check

my god i sound weird in my 100% video

and no gold crown needed

[dawn pike]

What about lvl 4

Wait so do you need all pets or not

[vagrant jetty]

i dont believe so

[dawn pike]

At any level

[vagrant jetty]

lemme check my save

[dawn pike]

That’ll make it a lot easier

[vagrant jetty]

uuh

wheres my 100% save

[dawn pike]

Did you move it to another folder for safekeeping?

[vagrant jetty]

lets hope

think i moved during save editor testing

found it

[dawn pike]

Phew

[vagrant jetty]

nope dont need lv4 heart

tyregg has lv 3 heart

you do need to mount every varient tho

anyway good night

4 exams tomorrow im going to sleep great

[dawn pike]

GCSEs?

[vagrant jetty]

yep...

i leavve school 1&1/2 hours later due to exams today (yay)

[dawn pike]

Good luck

[final seal]

exams two weeks from now too

🙂

[hasty plank]

Good luck

[dawn pike]

Do I go straight into a 100% TE run or should I do another empty category?

What do you think Alex?