Need HELP!

[simple violet]

I want help for my game. Hard to explain. DM me please

[jagged wagon]

explain your problem here then more people will be able to help

[livid aurora]

whats the point of opening a forum post if you want people to dm you instead of replying here

[analog mango]

fr I truly dont get it

[lone pawn]

more likely to get free code out of it

or so they think

[quick shore]

might be the stupidest sh i’ve heard

expose your problem to more people
bother one person
surely the choice is clear

[lone pawn]

naw the trick is that anyone willing to voluntarily commit to fixing their problem, whatever it turns out to be, has already dm'd them first

that's why they do it

they don't want help, they want free code, and this is the easiest way to get it since ai cannot do it

[quick shore]

wdym?

[lone pawn]

wdym wdym

[quick shore]

i’m slow ash rn and have reading comprehension lv 0

i don’t understand what u said

[lone pawn]

anyone who dms them has already partly committed to fixing their problem whatever it turns out to be

[quick shore]

ah yeah sunk cost fallacy ig

[lone pawn]

and if it turns out that after 30 minutes "I just dont get it can you show me what its supposed to look like when its working? " "okay fine here's the working code"

[lone pawn]

that's the one, yeah.

[quick shore]

i swear

[lone pawn]

i've lost track of the number of help threads that devolve into that

[quick shore]

if people ask me outright for code i block them

unless if it’s for valid reason

[quick shore]

many such cases 😔

[lone pawn]

but anyway ya thats why they ask for dm

to get you to make the initial investment into fixing their problem, you're much more likely to just give them the code outright

[quick shore]

makes sense ig

i think it’s stupid still

like they can’t get an entire game done like that so either they learn coding or drop the game

[lone pawn]

kids are stupid but not as stupid as they get credit for

[quick shore]

there are two unlimited things, the universe, and kids stupidity

[lone pawn]

you'd be surprised, a determined kid can do a lot. it may seem tedious to you or i, but you can in fact eventually make games by begging people for code

[quick shore]

shit maybe that’s the meta for coding games

just bother people enough to code for you

[lone pawn]

yep

play dumb until they just make it for you

[quick shore]

incredible

[lone pawn]

and it works, too

and they know it

[quick shore]

i do not have the patience for that

[lone pawn]

just like how all kids know not to say their real age

and always stick to the discord age range

they know they'll get banned if they're underage, they already know that

[quick shore]

you’re either a smart fella or a fart smella

[quick shore]

all that effort to get 5 lines of code

i respect the hustle

[lone pawn]

it's a weird place of, they're too stupid to do it themselves, but not stupid enough to manipulate people into getting what they want

[quick shore]

fair enough

i guess it’s easy to write off as stupid when you’re experienced w coding and think it’s as easy / easier than having others do it for you compared to not knowing any

i think it’s a shame they won’t learn anything from the code they are given

[lone pawn]

they're only looking for a shortcut to the front page, and there just isn't any. but they all eventually learn that the hard way.

i mean just take one glance at the sheer volume of people asking for:

• help making an m1
• and then help with latency-related problems to said m1

and it's always latency problems for an m1, it's never anything else like "oh hey i made a tag game and it's a bit hard to tag people because of latency". no. it's always an m1.

and you can't take any random person off the street and make some lag compensation and prediction for an m1, most people dont know how to do it

[quick shore]

I would be guilty of this if I did not have access to google and a brain

I mean even the other day, I was guilty of it (Your explanation was very good, thank you again )

[quick shore]

I think the key to those who want to learn is to guide them to a solution over giving them code, ”feed a man fish and he’ll eat for a day” or something

[lone pawn]

you can try but they're still going to look for a shortcut

it's why i don't give help as much as i used to, anymore because 9 times out of 10 the effort is just wasted on someone who only wanted free code or a shortcut, rarely to learn anything.

[quick shore]

Yeah, I’m referring to people who make a thread specifically asking for help instead of outright asking for code, it’s pretty easy to tell who genuinely wants to learn and who’s just there for the free code

[lone pawn]

i guess all they can see is hey look, steal a brainrot, they make it look so easy, i want a frontpage steal a brainrot too and give myself all the brainrots and free admin and you can have free admin too if you make the game for me... 😮‍💨 exhausting.

[quick shore]

I mean the worst part is that games like that are easy to make, and they shouldn’t be as popular as they are

I miss the age of apocalypse rising and phantom forces 😔

[lone pawn]

they are not easy to make. they are relatively easy to make. relative to the developers.

[quick shore]

What do you mean?

I don’t doubt my ability to make a game like that over a weekend provided with assets such as models and sounds

[lone pawn]

if you're starting dev on roblox from nothing -- and i don't mean no skill, i mean like if you're in my position where you can develop games but you have no established codebase or assets on roblox, you haven't learn the api yet etc etc - those can be a bit difficult to make since you have to build everything from scratch

but the people who make those games, as best i can tell, they're not starting from scratch. not even close.

[quick shore]

Yeah I mean most games just re use assets and frameworks like it’s black friday

But even then, I don’t think starting from 0 assets, just having knowledge of roblox and luau, that it would be very hard to make

[lone pawn]

models take a long time to make, even if you're using a voxel-model

[quick shore]

Yeah absolutely the modelling and gui work and sound effects would take tons of time, but purely from a scripting standpoint, sorry that it was a bit unclear

[lone pawn]

ya even from scripting, it's still moderately difficult on an absolute scale

the thing is always the dunning kruger effect

these kids don't know what they don't know, and it looks like it's easy because they only ever see release day. they don't see the weeks, months of work beforehand getting it just right, nor all the accumulated code and assets that made everything even easier

[quick shore]

Definitely

[lone pawn]

if you knew nothing about roblox game dev and saw those games get released, you'd think it easy too, but we know better

relatively easy, but not absolutely easy

[quick shore]

Yeah for sure

[lone pawn]

only because you already know how to code

[quick shore]

I mean if I wanted to make a 1:1 replica it’d take me months as I have zero knowledge of modelling audio design visual effects etc so for sure

but purely scripting wise it’s easy to bring up a mental model of what has to be done and how, and what you’ll do to accomplish it

I do have to head to bed rn though as it’s soon 5am and I need to get my precious sleep 🙏 I enjoyed our conversation though!

[lone pawn]

if you focus solely on the core gameplay and behavior, yeah. but im not talking about just that, i'm talking about everything else like analytics, group checks, processreceipt, datastore safety measures to prevent data loss etc

all those other things around it

[lone pawn]

anyway dont let me keep you