geniuninenue most real question why these thing exist

[abstract ledge]

part.CFrame:ToWorldSpace(cf) [literally just part.CFrame * cf]

part.CFrame:ToObjectSpace(cf) [literally just cf:Inverse()*part.Position]

part.CFrame:PointToWorldSpace(v3) [literally just part.CFrame * CFrame(v3) or part.CFrame * v3]

part.CFrame:PointToObjectSpace(v3) [literally just part.CFrame:Inverse() * CFrame(v3) or part.CFrame:Inverse() * v3]

// honorable mention thats actually useful ignore these legend //
part.CFrame:Inverse() * something
part.CFrame:VectorToWorldSpace(v3)
part.CFrame:VectorToObjectSpace(v3)

why do these function methods exist if u can do it in another way, it just wont be messy or something, variable exist and its simple

unless theres a useful reason why

geniuninenue most real question why these thing exist

[peak ivy]

less typing and function for it makes it more readable and easier to understand

[abstract ledge]

idk man

it feels like it's for noobs who doesnt understand matrix or matrix vector multiplication

but im 100% not sure if that's the answer

idk how it's less typing

if u just count the characters, the right one is more short

[peak ivy]

u get autocomplete

[abstract ledge]

boo

[peak ivy]

its more readable than doing math

[abstract ledge]

idk but it's more clearer when u just multiply it with cf or the inverse

[peak ivy]

u can easily tell what it does with a function

[abstract ledge]

bro

learn how inverse work

itll make much more sense

than just plugging in Roblox methods

[peak ivy]

i mean if u dont like the robloz methods u can do the math

its idiomatic to use the functions tho

[abstract ledge]

functoons

[peak ivy]

function name helps describe what it does

[abstract ledge]

bro again

just learn how inverse work

it's like

just by looking at it and not thinking

u literally know what it does instead of reading the ling Roblox method function

[peak ivy]

alr if its simple then do the math

[abstract ledge]

it is simple

inverse is like

I can literally make u visualize it with ur hand

do u want to try

[peak ivy]

no

[abstract ledge]

ok

it's super easy tho but ok

[peak ivy]

yes but not everyone great with cframe

[abstract ledge]

bro

[peak ivy]

pretty confusing topic

im js saying bro

[abstract ledge]

let me make u visualize

then

[peak ivy]

bo

no

[abstract ledge]

u just refusing

🙏

BRO ITS SO EASY

[peak ivy]

im not saying i dont understand

yes not for everyone

[abstract ledge]

what does inverse do

[peak ivy]

idk

[abstract ledge]

explain like im 5

[peak ivy]

why does that matter

[abstract ledge]

bruh

[abstract ledge]

u will know what I see

just say yes with the hand visualization

u just need 2 finger

unless u got 0

[peak ivy]

i have 0 unfortunately

[abstract ledge]

Minecraft hand

ziffix is typing

[dim axle]

Code is never about facilitating complexity. Your code should always be as simple as possible, and that's why these methods exist; they abstract the esoteric nature of CFrame mathematics

[abstract ledge]

it's not complex

bro are u seeing what im seeing or something

like with those inverse thingy or just instantly multiplying it with about vector or cframe, it's so easy to visualize fast

[dim axle]

The operations themselves are not, but how the matrices evolve into these translations are

[abstract ledge]

it's not

it's super easy if u just know what im seeing dawg

[peak ivy]

ts ragebait

[tired ledge]

** You are now Level 13! **

[abstract ledge]

❌

[peak ivy]

okay show me hand visualisation

i wanna know

[abstract ledge]

ok

use ur one finger next to ur thumb and ur thumb

like make a gun with ur hand

thumbs up and the pointy thing when ur trying to sign language a 1

[dim axle]

You're missing the point: it's not about what you see, it's about the fact that it must been seen. These operations do not verbalize their outcomes. The functions that perform these operations do. It is about improving the contextual readability of your code

[abstract ledge]

did u see what I see

[peak ivy]

yes

[abstract ledge]

did u do it

[peak ivy]

so thumb up and index extended?

[abstract ledge]

yes

[peak ivy]

what next

[abstract ledge]

wait is index the pinkey or what I forgot

[peak ivy]

index is finger right after thumb

[marsh summit]

that's one of the reasons why functions like those exist

[abstract ledge]

yes

ok now

[peak ivy]

ok wat next

[abstract ledge]

make ur index a bit rotated

don't dislocate urself

just make it go down a bit

[peak ivy]

bit rotated ??

what does that mean

[abstract ledge]

go down a bit

make ur index finger go down a bit

[peak ivy]

i cant

[dim axle]

There's a reason why we use .Unit and not develop our own normalization functions. There's a reason why we use CFrame.lookAt and not develop our own translation functions, there's a reason why we use table.sort and not develop our own O(n log n) sorting algorithms...

[peak ivy]

wym down

[abstract ledge]

like u wanna make an ok

like a thumbs up

but ur index is a bit open

[peak ivy]

yes

[abstract ledge]

not fully open

ok now

[peak ivy]

is there a pic or vis for this

on the internet

u learnt from?

[abstract ledge]

bruh

[abstract ledge]

yes

but like

[peak ivy]

can u show

[abstract ledge]

i make my own visualization

bc ppl visualize it so ass

[peak ivy]

bc u explain it ass

[dim axle]

Your visualization is most likely incorrect

[abstract ledge]

ill draw it for u somehow

[abstract ledge]

yes

[peak ivy]

alr thanks

[abstract ledge]

I'ma draw it

[peak ivy]

ty

[abstract ledge]

no it's not watch

it's not that one

im not saying this

[dim axle]

Use them to explain CFrame.fromMatrix

Or CFrame:Orthonormalize

[abstract ledge]

from Matrix just form a matrix with where the face is

[abstract ledge]

what's that, is that the Ortho formula thing

[abstract ledge]

wait ill draw

or ill just explain but roblox studio style

@peak ivy are u in the studio

[peak ivy]

nah

[abstract ledge]

ok just try to visualize this

[peak ivy]

im on phone

[abstract ledge]

u ever use weld right

[peak ivy]

alr

ye

[abstract ledge]

imagine part1 and part2

part1 is rotated

wait before I continue

inverse is just like the reverse of the rotation thing

so like part 1 being rotated multiply part1 being rotated but used as inverse is just the same as nothing is rotated

bc it's just like the reverse

ok so now

[abstract ledge]

u see like it becomes rotation 0,0,0 right

everytime u multiply it with it's inverse srlf right?

@peak ivy

self*

@peak ivy @peak ivy

u are sleeping not cool

[peak ivy]

wait

wat r u explaining

which function

[abstract ledge]

im explaining what is inverse first

:Inverse()

so basically it just the reverse rotation of a part

so when a part rotated like 10,0,0 it becomes -10,0,0
this is an easy visualization, it's supposed to be in matrix but u will get confused but kinda same thing

so now

[peak ivy]

alr i get that

[abstract ledge]

imagine part1 and part2

part1 is rotated

now u want to know where is part2 going to be in the local space of part1

what that mean is

[peak ivy]

yes

[abstract ledge]

it wants to know like

[peak ivy]

i know what local space is

[abstract ledge]

imagine u weird part1 and part2 and part2 is unanchored

and u did the rotation

where part2 is landed is where the local space position is

inverse does it

so basically it like

wait let me think how to explain it

[peak ivy]

so wat r u explaining now

is this still inverse

[abstract ledge]

the part inverse multiply by part2

like local space position

ok wait let me reexplain

it's hard to explain but once u know it it'll be easy to understand

[dim axle]

https://tenor.com/view/sealyx-naked-gun-the-naked-gun-facepalm-facepalm-meme-gif-11743768702765397589

[abstract ledge]

imagine part1 and part2

[peak ivy]

ts why the function exists

[abstract ledge]

❌

hard to explain, easy to comprehend when u get the flow

[dim axle]

Nothing inherently easy is hard to explain

[abstract ledge]

im literally trying to explain how my visualization looks like

[peak ivy]

draw picture

[abstract ledge]

bro if I just get Roblox studio and code something fast

[abstract ledge]

oh yeah

🙏

[dim axle]

Being unable to verbalize your understanding suggests a lack of a functional grasp on the mechanics of the work being done

[abstract ledge]

no

[abstract ledge]

ok about inverse it's like this

I'm trying to draw 2d

i messed up

just imagine it as 2d ig

basically

still works

[dim axle]

I recommend working with vectors before you try to approach this, @peak ivy

[abstract ledge]

no it's so easy

bro

dont

man

don't listen to him

he is unhealthy for your brain

[abstract ledge]

it's like saying

[dim axle]

You can relate these operations to more digestible and intuitive ones

[tired ledge]

** You are now Level 25! **

[abstract ledge]

what's the matrix for the red arrow to go to the yellow arrow

the local space

[dim axle]

This will help you develop your understanding of how to use the raw operations to achieve results, but I promise you, you will never do that

[abstract ledge]

the grey line is where the inverse is

bro im just going to send 1b3b video

[dim axle]

It's 3Blue1Brown

[abstract ledge]

I mean 3b1b

[dim axle]

💀

Dude, you're choking

You don't understand what you're saying

[abstract ledge]

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLZHQObOWTQDPD3MizzM2xVFitgF8hE_ab&si=ZdFptKJ1WVmY4KcI

[abstract ledge]

@dim axle

boy

i sometimes get mixed up

[abstract ledge]

this is where I get my visualization, and also the matrix one too, idk about the inverse multiplied by something tho that local space thing

I just visualize it myself

[peak ivy]

ok so ehich vid

[abstract ledge]

1 to 7 idk

he want u the hard way

im trying to give u the easy way but he want to make ur brain crash

[peak ivy]

💔

[peak ivy]

u want me hard way

[abstract ledge]

@peak ivy look at the first one then second one then the matrix multiplication one

I mean linear multiplication

itll open ur mind

[peak ivy]

alr

[abstract ledge]

bc what I imagine it is like a new coordinate system place thing for each rotation of the part

[peak ivy]

wym new coordinate system

[abstract ledge]

so when u inverse it then multiply it to another part called part2, that part2 is placed in the part local space or smth so it looks like its rotated but it's just math changing the position

[abstract ledge]

look at linear multiplication

the video I sent

itll answer ur question, u will see the i hat j hat getting stretched will make u understand more

[peak ivy]

why not use toObjectSpace

[abstract ledge]

I MEAN TRANSFORMATION

[peak ivy]

or stv the function is

[abstract ledge]

not multiplication

[peak ivy]

so i dont have to think of all ts

[abstract ledge]

idk man I already said if u know it it's like instantly know what it does without reading

like bro u will eventually think it unconsciously

[dim axle]

You're acknowledging that it is something that must be known

[abstract ledge]

don't listen to ziffix he is unhealthy

[peak ivy]

yes boss

[dim axle]

It is far easier to understand the functions over the underlying math. They explain themselves

[abstract ledge]

ziffix want ur brain to be limited instead of being smart

he is unhealthy

HE IS UNHEALTHY

[dim axle]

It's clear this was an ego-flex attempt 💀

[abstract ledge]

it's not

@peak ivy this guy will prove it's not ego flex

and see it's actually easy

[peak ivy]

alr lemme watch vid

and come back

[dim axle]

I understand how it works

[abstract ledge]

Ok

[dim axle]

I understand that is foolish to not use the functions anyways

[abstract ledge]

yes ik ur a red stripper

[abstract ledge]

unhealthy

[dim axle]

If you want mental stimulation, learn matricies and be happy

[peak ivy]

wait

[marsh summit]

this whole thread has the same vibes as "why drive a car when you can walk"

[peak ivy]

whcih video do i watch

[abstract ledge]

u want our mind to not be creative

[peak ivy]

theres too many vids

[dim axle]

It's ultimately irrelevant to the average Roblox developer

[abstract ledge]

different

that's a car

🥺

[peak ivy]

ok but if we wanna be above average

[abstract ledge]

exactly

[peak ivy]

and smarter

[dim axle]

That's your choice. Once you are, you'll realize it was never about being above average

[abstract ledge]

we don't want to be stupid forever

[marsh summit]

why travel at all when you can just uber or doordash it

[abstract ledge]

money

bro

[dim axle]

You should never write code with your head up your ass, lmfao

[abstract ledge]

roblox free

brain free

[marsh summit]

why read a book when you can just watch the movie

[abstract ledge]

why are u talking about money

[peak ivy]

not every book has movie

[abstract ledge]

u want us to be dumb not smart smh regov knows the flow

[abstract ledge]

exactly

[peak ivy]

which vids do i watch again

[marsh summit]

not every math formula has a built-in function

[dim axle]

This guy speaks about having an innate ability to visualize matrix operations, but cannot grasp ad absurdum

[peak ivy]

u can make one then

idk

[marsh summit]

exactly

[peak ivy]

normalface

@abstract ledge

which vids

[abstract ledge]

1 2 and linear transformation

[marsh summit]

it's the same as why use math.lerp when you can just write the formula manually

[peak ivy]

more aura

[abstract ledge]

and u can visualize on what I mean by coordinate system if we talking about local soace

space

[peak ivy]

when u do it manually

[abstract ledge]

inverse more shorter

[abstract ledge]

bro I said it's not complex

maybe not for everyone but it's not complex dawg

if I get into my studio and start using weld and rotating with my explanation then I can explain it super simple

[dim axle]

Yet you claim it mentally stimulating and suprior to ready-made solutions?

[marsh summit]

why use a blender when you can just use a knife?

[abstract ledge]

bro

[marsh summit]

why use a mixer when you can just use a whisk with your hand?

[dim axle]

Just stop, man 💀

[abstract ledge]

I chew it

[abstract ledge]

ok so btw

[marsh summit]

why use an espresso machine when you can just use a kettle?

[abstract ledge]

there's benifit

benefit

[peak ivy]

less control with blender

idk

[marsh summit]

why use a stove when you can just use a firepit?

[abstract ledge]

for learning what that means bc it's so easy

there's benefit

like regov said, more aura

[marsh summit]

i think you're starting to catch on

[dim axle]

Code should not be written with aura, lmfao

[abstract ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/dunning-kruger-gif-20216377

[abstract ledge]

without aura ur code smells

[marsh summit]

op is saying you shouldn't use the mixer when you can whisk manually

[abstract ledge]

why pyro fire not pyro sun

[peak ivy]

pyro hot

[dim axle]

With the way you're going, you're the one who's gonna be smelly 💀

[abstract ledge]

hot

[marsh summit]

why buy furniture when you can buy wood from a hardware shop and assemble it yourself?

[dim axle]

Reddit ahh programmer mentality

[marsh summit]

i mean it's not hard

[peak ivy]

aura makes code less smelly

[abstract ledge]

no, I have perfume aura

[peak ivy]

versace eros aura

[abstract ledge]

but I am

[dim axle]

Professional programmers take much more notice to elegant code than needless ego strokes

[marsh summit]

why use a drill when you can use a hand drill? you have more control

[peak ivy]

swy amber aura

top tier cologne

[abstract ledge]

why pyro fire not pyro flame

[peak ivy]

i recommend it

all girls love it

and men

[marsh summit]

why use a lawnmower when you can just use scissors?

[abstract ledge]

so it's homosexual

binary perfume

[peak ivy]

basically

[marsh summit]

why use perfume when you can just simply not shower?

[abstract ledge]

pyro is ragebaiting

[marsh summit]

what, and your original question isn't?

[peak ivy]

since u dont have builtin perfume

[abstract ledge]

no

my question has aura u not

[peak ivy]

wait

what doss that mean

[marsh summit]

hate to be the um actually guy, but um actually we do

humans emit pheromones funfact

[peak ivy]

no we dont

[abstract ledge]

it means my question is auralistic

[marsh summit]

that is your 'perfume'

[peak ivy]

probably smells like shit

[abstract ledge]

and u emit solid gas

[marsh summit]

it has been naturally selected by evolution over millions over years, do you really think whale vomit smells better than human pheromones would?

apparently the answer is yes

[abstract ledge]

yeah but a whale can't poop in a toilet

[peak ivy]

yes but why would we smell like whale vomit

we smell like bananas prolly

we have 60% shared dna with banana

[abstract ledge]

im a banana

https://tenor.com/view/tuff-sick-wow-wowsers-minecraft-gif-10059021701103936359

[dim axle]

Pheromones will smell better to a potential partner. It communicates a dissimilar immune system which will help build stronger system for offspring

Biology is nuts

[abstract ledge]

chatgpted

u typed that so long

chatgpted

gg

cancelled

https://tenor.com/view/cancelled-cancel-nope-cancel-culture-gif-17505801

[dim axle]

This is basic knowledge 💀

[peak ivy]

thst only works with like monkeys

[abstract ledge]

but u type it slow

[peak ivy]

but we more intelligent

[marsh summit]

nah it works with humans too

[dim axle]

Incorrect

[peak ivy]

so we attracted to good smelling shit

[abstract ledge]

so im convinced u chatgpted it

bro I have a theory that we are just monkeys

like

there's once a dumb and smart monkeys

[marsh summit]

omg no shit

[abstract ledge]

a group of monkeys split group to smart and dumb monkeys

dumb monkeys stays monkeys and smart monkeys evolve to human

and dumb monkeys is the monkey we knew today

[dim axle]

Certified rage-bait

[peak ivy]

whst about monkeys that are sverage

[abstract ledge]

how

[peak ivy]

like not stupid but not einstein level

do they work at the heaven factory like boss baby

[abstract ledge]

that's why there's modern human that looks like monkeys

too

[peak ivy]

what u typing pyro fire

[abstract ledge]

they're from the dumb monkeys but sees our action secretly

[marsh summit]

why invent fire when you can just wait for a fire to start naturally?

[abstract ledge]

slowly becoming another monkey called orangutan

smarter than monkey

[peak ivy]

no one invent fire tho

it js happen

[abstract ledge]

or wait for pyro to burst out fire

[marsh summit]

why invent agriculture when you can just forage wild plants?

[peak ivy]

to be in touch with nature

[abstract ledge]

why are u asking this question

why does a whale fart in a tank

[peak ivy]

and all the good smells from various plants

[abstract ledge]

why does a person fly with hotwheels

[marsh summit]

all these questions are the same as your original one

[abstract ledge]

no

they got no aura

[peak ivy]

no

[abstract ledge]

pyro is so auraless dawg

[peak ivy]

theyre different

pyro is matrix agent

[abstract ledge]

yes

[peak ivy]

make sure we stay in the matrix

and dont escape

like the movie

[abstract ledge]

pyro came here to destroy our mind

[peak ivy]

leave us alone

[abstract ledge]

don't wanna make us learn how things work

[peak ivy]

exactly

[abstract ledge]

just wanna do the shortcut because with unimaginable power in our mind can cause serious damage to others

[peak ivy]

yes

[abstract ledge]

pyro is a villain

https://tenor.com/view/yakub-ksi-forehead-ksi-logan-paul-germany-ww2-gif-17278031980864750852

[peak ivy]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1140381754507657338/1420042565910134908/gif.gif

[abstract ledge]

pyro

[peak ivy]

what is bro typing

holy shit

[abstract ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/necronomics-skull-trooper-necro-poop-bro-writing-poop-gif-14596670763127364241

wait pyro

[peak ivy]

yo time to press the enter key

[abstract ledge]

I will go now and regov

ok

[peak ivy]

stop typing out ur essay

[abstract ledge]

so basically

if u send this

no one will see it

and u will waste ur time and I want to poop

ok

[peak ivy]

cya normalface

[abstract ledge]

wait i poo

ok bye

[peak ivy]

bye

[abstract ledge]

WAIT

[peak ivy]

i wanna read wat this guy wanna say

[abstract ledge]

I WILL DELETE THIS SUGGESTION ONE PYRO SEND IT

[marsh summit]

why use cframe:toworldspace / toobjectspace when you can just write the math manually? the same reason why you would drive a car despite having legs to walk, why you would travel instead of just relying on uber or doordash, why you would read a book instead of watching the movie, why you would use a mixer instead of manually whisking, why you would use a stove instead of a firepit, an espresso machine instead of a kettle, why you'd buy furniture instead of getting raw materials and constructing your own, why you'd use an electric drill instead of a hand drill, why you'd use a lawnmower instead of scissors, the answer is the same for every single one of these: Time, effort, cost, aka convenience. You'd do one or the other depending on time, effort, cost, compared against what you're trying to do, and most of the time, just like why you'd use math.lerp instead of writing the formula manually, for the cframes it's just to save you time and effort. Convenience, basically.

[peak ivy]

NO DONT

dont delete

[abstract ledge]

ok

[peak ivy]

very insightful thread

others csn learn

[marsh summit]

it's really not any more deep than that.

[abstract ledge]

less effort means stupider

I was right

u want us to be stupid

[peak ivy]

damn bro

[marsh summit]

tl;dr sir this is a roblox dev guild, just put the fries in the damn bag.

[abstract ledge]

no I put gold bar and diamonds in the bag

because i put effort

[peak ivy]

Convenience isn’t the only or even the best reason to use higher-level abstractions like CFrame:ToWorldSpace() or ToObjectSpace(). Sometimes writing the math manually is preferable because it gives you clarity, control, and correctness guarantees that convenience APIs can obscure.

[abstract ledge]

fact

sometimes u wanna change the math a bit instead of using fixed one

[peak ivy]

yea

[abstract ledge]

more clear, gives more idea because the math is there

instead of just seeing the function, u can't even make an idea or something

yes

[peak ivy]

like for tbe furntuiture example

shat if i wanted to make very hard couch

with diamonds and dtuff

i can do that if i buy the raw materials

[abstract ledge]

fr or like

instead of buying an automatic toilet butt washer

u learn the manual way

im using pyro analogy

[peak ivy]

@marsh summit

come back

boring without u

say sum

[abstract ledge]

wait dont

pyro will yap again

I want to watch Minecraft video

[peak ivy]

alr cya

[thick tide]

cuz its useful

[abstract ledge]

bro just yapping at this point 🙏

[thick tide]

yes

to world space

is accoding to the origin

if you just do it like what you typed

it wont be world space

thats basic

[abstract ledge]

u js yapping again

[thick tide]

you dont know?

alr

whatever

[abstract ledge]

it's world space

the function means the part cframe worldspace version

[thick tide]

ok

👍

[abstract ledge]

the coordinate system is in worldspace

do u understand now @thick tide

ur saying ok like u dont understand

[thick tide]

👍

[abstract ledge]

ok

[knotty stirrup]

You dont have to use those, those are for complex actions like perfect movements and other stuff

think about what you are about to type

[abstract ledge]

bro what complex actions like perfect movement etc

[knotty stirrup]

dont

[knotty stirrup]

I only used ToWorldSpace once

I dont know what the others do

Nor what that one does

[knotty stirrup]

There are things that help developers use those to make cool things

[abstract ledge]

do u know what's the question 🙏

[knotty stirrup]

Of course there are tutorials on what they do

[knotty stirrup]

yes "geniuninenue most real question why these things exist"

[abstract ledge]

both does cool thing

but why does it exist if u can do it without it and it's less typing

and make us more smart instead of limiting

[knotty stirrup]

can you give me an example about those functions

[abstract ledge]

imagine using the function everytime

u won't know how a cframe works

what happen if u multiply smth with a cframe

or what is inverse

it's like so limiting

and its shorter to not use the function

shorter to type + not limited makes u smart

[knotty stirrup]

Ok so I searched on google and those functions help you with some things that are hard to do manually

[abstract ledge]

bc imagine using the function, u won't get a creative way of thinking on how to do something

[abstract ledge]

bro

[knotty stirrup]

https://devforum.roblox.com/t/what-does-toobjectspace-and-toworldspace-do/269535

[abstract ledge]

how is cf times cf is hard

or inverse of cf times another cf

it's like 10x shorter

[knotty stirrup]

what are you talking about, you are deviating from the question

[abstract ledge]

I mean 2x

[abstract ledge]

im not

how is it hard

u said it's hard, how the hell cf*cf hard

[knotty stirrup]

What is hard?????

[abstract ledge]

and the other stuff

[abstract ledge]

this

bro u copy pasted at google and doesn't even read the google answer

ts ragebait

https://tenor.com/view/cory-spazzkid-oneyplays-angry-malding-gif-25866048

[knotty stirrup]

so you are telling me that calculating manually those is easier?

[abstract ledge]

yeah

bro

[knotty stirrup]

You dont need to calculate cf*cf

You need to calculate other stuff

[abstract ledge]

how does cf*cf hard too

[abstract ledge]

???

what others

[knotty stirrup]

Its like I asked 3+6 = ? and you said 34 + 96 = 130

[abstract ledge]

bro is high

[knotty stirrup]

you are answering a different question

[abstract ledge]

im not

[knotty stirrup]

You said how those functions help

Not if they are easier or not

[abstract ledge]

no I said why does it exist

[abstract ledge]

ur google answer said it's so it's easier not hard manual calculation

read your googled answer

[knotty stirrup]

To make some things possible to do without being a genius(in math)?

[abstract ledge]

noob

[abstract ledge]

u don't have to be a genius to know it

ur just dumb

[knotty stirrup]

this is just ragebait

[abstract ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/tantrum-kicking-gif-23507491

[knotty stirrup]

ok calculate to me the distance in a VECTOR from A(124,-24,190) to B(30,135,-74)

thats what the things are for

calculate this manually using code

it takes more lines than just ToWorldspace and ToObjectSpace

bro

@abstract ledge Why did you just go

ok,,,

[marsh summit]

imagine just driving your car and having some mechanic make all repairs to it

[marsh summit]

u won't know how a car works

bruh, you don't need to know how a car works in order to drive a car

the same as you don't need to know matrix math in order to apply cframes to achieve some game mechanic

it's just gatekeeping and lording yourself over others like "look at you how cool you are knowing cframe math you don't need the functions" like okay.... sorry how many roblox games have you released?

and that's the point - it doesn't matter if you do it the easy way or the hard way. it only matters that you publish games and game content.

and if you want to do it the hard way - totally fine - but there's no reason to force this on others.

[abstract ledge]

bro

ur a noob

(b.pos-a.pos).magnitude

noob

[abstract ledge]

gay

[marsh summit]

bruh you're just using the magnitude function there

[abstract ledge]

u don't need to know how matrix work to know inverse

u just need to know reverse of the rotation

[abstract ledge]

ok then

[marsh summit]

why not write out the pythag formula in full manually? there's no reason to have .magnitude

like it's the same logic

[abstract ledge]

just square root everything

add

I mean

square

square everything

add

then square root

this one is useful bc it's short

[marsh summit]

and frankly, you just answered your own question here. you use it because it's convenient.

[abstract ledge]

unlike those function I mentioned

[abstract ledge]

it's short

ur not getting my question

noob blue role 😤

[marsh summit]

i should point out here that not every distance comparison requires square root

if you don't need the real distance and only need a distance comparison, you don't need the square root

[abstract ledge]

ik

u can use sine

[marsh summit]

so you can save a math.sqrt call

[abstract ledge]

cos

what's ur point

[marsh summit]

like, this is the situation you're describing where you do the math manually - and yes, sometimes these cases exist

it would be nice if roblox had vec3.MagSqr where it returns the magnitude without sqrt'ing it

but it doesn't matter

[abstract ledge]

bro

why would u want that

[marsh summit]

i'm still going to use .magnitude even if i don't need the real distance because it's simply convenient

[marsh summit]

literally just explained why

[abstract ledge]

because it's shorter

[marsh summit]

anyway this thread is ragebait now since you just answered your own question

[abstract ledge]

it's shortsr

shorter

how did I answer the question

[knotty stirrup]

I said the result needs to be a VECTOR

[abstract ledge]

ok

[knotty stirrup]

ok so your post is just ragebait

you have the answers on google

[abstract ledge]

b.pos.x and a.pos.x and add everything too with the y and z

and u get it

[abstract ledge]

I dont

[knotty stirrup]

You said its easier to do it your way, meawhile you used more lines of code

[abstract ledge]

bro

[abstract ledge]

are u high

how does that answer the question

[knotty stirrup]

Well, I typed the function on google and got it in the first post

[abstract ledge]

how does it answer the question tho

wdym more lines of code

which one are u referring to

which function

[knotty stirrup]

You SAID YOUR SIMPLE METHODS REQUIRE MORE LINES OF CODE AND LESS EFFORT

[abstract ledge]

reply

reply to that message

bro invented gabil theory

[knotty stirrup]

THIS MESSAGE, YOU REPLIED TO ME saying your methods of calculating are easier rather than using functions

[abstract ledge]

but I didn't agree more line and less effort

[knotty stirrup]

I swear your name might be Karen

[abstract ledge]

u need context

I mean easier to instantly know what ur doing

[knotty stirrup]

just read the whole 100 messages you sent about the functions

[abstract ledge]

bro

u didn't even read the above message before u even typed

if u read it, u 100% will know what yes I'm saying to

[knotty stirrup]

I did read my message

[abstract ledge]

not your message

my message

[knotty stirrup]

There are about 600 messages in this post

[abstract ledge]

before u type smth

[knotty stirrup]

I am not going to read all of that

[abstract ledge]

bro it's before u typed, there's smth above

and it's my message

it's like l10 msg up

10*

like ur first message then 10 message up or something

if im not wrong

[knotty stirrup]

#1451131705325785142 message

[abstract ledge]

ur complaining about it tho

[knotty stirrup]

I didnt say that, anyways less effort means stupid?

[abstract ledge]

bro those are the same thing with cf times cf or cf inverse times cf

[abstract ledge]

no I say it

[abstract ledge]

and u said that I said less effort here

[knotty stirrup]

If I said to my math teacher to caluclate 3*3 like this 3+3+3+3+3+3+3+3+3 I would be banished

[abstract ledge]

what

ur telling a cpu to do it

[knotty stirrup]

a yeah my bad on saying that

[abstract ledge]

how is cf*cf hard

[knotty stirrup]

So you are going to be doing this (3+3) instead of this 3*2?

[abstract ledge]

what

[knotty stirrup]

What ?

[abstract ledge]

bro don't act like ur counting it manually

using the function feels literally the same

but more annoying

[knotty stirrup]

So you are going to use those functions?

[abstract ledge]

no

I tell the CPU to calculate the math for me

not a function

[knotty stirrup]

ok, but here is a question, why do you keep spamming "how is cf*cf hard"🤓

That aint hard

[abstract ledge]

bc that function ur talking about acts the same like that

are u slow

[knotty stirrup]

ToWorldspace doesnt do that

[abstract ledge]

it does

bro

@marsh summit u see this guy

[knotty stirrup]

I think you should stop pinging people without a reason bro

[abstract ledge]

why are u even trying to argue

if u don't know what it means

[knotty stirrup]

Like right now tou are just talking nonsense

[abstract ledge]

bro ur proving my point

those function just made u dumber

[knotty stirrup]

Ok?Stop wasting our time then?

[abstract ledge]

no

it's how I prove my point

[knotty stirrup]

I want to animate something so im going to leave you alone?

[abstract ledge]

the more u say smth the more my point is proven

it's like ur a test subject and im the scientist trying to prove the disease works like this

[abstract ledge]

ok

[knotty stirrup]

so being a parrot helps you prove a point?You are just repeating the same thing

[abstract ledge]

just stick with animating

leave me alone now

or something

[knotty stirrup]

Then stop pinging people and close this post

attention seeker?

[abstract ledge]

im not closing the post dawg

[knotty stirrup]

attention seeker?

[abstract ledge]

no im trying to find a satisfied answer

ok go back to animating man

im not pinging anymore

[knotty stirrup]

ok, "Yeah little normalface , dont use those functions , listen to me, BECAUSE I THE GREAT FACE WILL HELP YOU" or something ?

[abstract ledge]

^^^ attention seeker

[knotty stirrup]

ok thanks, dont ping anymore

[abstract ledge]

it's like when I stopped typing, this guy mouth can't shut

ur pinging me with my replies but ok

ima watch minecraft video

[knotty stirrup]

now if I try to shut your mouth you are going to say I pinged you

Ok im out

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-revice-kamen-rider-revi-kamen-rider-vice-kamen-rider-revi-gif-22946013

pregnant emoji for real?

[marsh summit]

this thread is ragebait at this point, they just want to pedestal themselves over anyone who responds to this thread because no matter what the response is, they can just say "yeah but i know the math so im better than you and you dum needing the built in functions"

it's really that simple

so don't waste your energy

no answer will be "satisfying" other than praising, bowing, and scraping at this guy because they know the math, that's all they want from this thread

just an ego boost

[knotty stirrup]

thanks 👍

dont worry I gave up on talking to that guy

[marsh summit]

but hey it's roblox you should learn to expect that from people

kids will be kids 🤷

[knotty stirrup]

No mather what I said he kept refusing so im just going to ignore him

DO NOT DARE TO TYPE BRO

[abstract ledge]

bro he literally doesn't know cf*cf and toworldspace is the same

[abstract ledge]

😂

[marsh summit]

bro no one cares

[knotty stirrup]

omg here we go again, just stop talking to us

[abstract ledge]

because ur biased

[marsh summit]

and you're just reinforcing exactly what i just said

[abstract ledge]

blue role

hey u are a blue role ok

[marsh summit]

you know the math so you think you're better than anyone who responds and you call them dum like "lol look at this guy he doesnt know the math"

[abstract ledge]

im talking to pyro not u

[marsh summit]

no one cares

[knotty stirrup]

and you are yellow role, he has a way better role bro

[abstract ledge]

i don't think im better dawg

i just think ppl put less effort

making them dumber and less creative

[knotty stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/sadhotgirl-huh-dog-turn-head-dog-huh-what-did-you-say-gif-22054052

[abstract ledge]

like gabil

he take the less effort mind

now he doesn't know that toworldspace and cf*cf is the same thing

[marsh summit]

what other kind of narcissistic question is "I know the math, so why does roblox need these functions?" it's textbook narcissism. you know why it's there, but you just want to hear people say "ok ur better than me coz u know the math"

and the reality is no one cares

[knotty stirrup]

bro, do you even code?

[abstract ledge]

the math is simple

[knotty stirrup]

If you do, I do too

[abstract ledge]

and short

[marsh summit]

No one cares

[knotty stirrup]

So you have no right to make me dumb

[abstract ledge]

and short

[knotty stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-revice-kamen-rider-revi-kamen-rider-vice-kamen-rider-revi-gif-22946007

[abstract ledge]

if u don't care why are u even here trying to answer with your opinion, I want a true answer

[knotty stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/strinova-strinova-celestia-celestia-small-why-gif-10531254374160666301

[abstract ledge]

since u said u don't care then ur opinion is biased

I need someone who uses both or something

and who actually cares

boy

blue role and yellow role except me

[abstract ledge]

https://tenor.com/view/cory-spazzkid-oneyplays-angry-malding-gif-25866048

it's big

[knotty stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-revice-kamen-rider-revi-kamen-rider-vice-kamen-rider-revi-gif-22946007

[abstract ledge]

mines probably bigger than u

[marsh summit]

so ya like i was saying this just an ego thread

[abstract ledge]

no

[knotty stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/kamen-rider-revice-kamen-rider-revi-kamen-rider-vice-kamen-rider-revi-gif-22946013

[abstract ledge]

I want an actual satisfying answer

[marsh summit]

idk about you but i think enough time has been sunk here

[abstract ledge]

no

bro ur answer is so bad and the analogy too

[knotty stirrup]

Then go to the therapist for a satisfying answer

[abstract ledge]

what

[knotty stirrup]

Therapist lie to you so you feel better

[abstract ledge]

bro u go to the therapist

ur being mad at me and u don't know toworldspace and cf*cf is the same

[knotty stirrup]

https://tenor.com/view/uno-reverse-card-gif-24856155

[abstract ledge]

and this is literally the topic of the thread

and other stuff

and u said u don't care

so why are u here

🙏

[marsh summit]

ngl this is lowkey based. truth is often unsatisfying, so if all you care about is feeling better about it then yeah that's probably something you'd ask a therapist

[abstract ledge]

give me ur final answer

[knotty stirrup]

dude

[marsh summit]

bro's baiting so hard

[abstract ledge]

not gabil answer

[knotty stirrup]

stop pinging us we wont praise you nor anything

[abstract ledge]

praise what

[marsh summit]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

[knotty stirrup]

STOP PINGING US WE DONT HAVE ALL DAY TO TALK TO YOU

[abstract ledge]

u kept replying

dumb

[knotty stirrup]

you replied to us when we were talking

[abstract ledge]

u typing, I didn't ping

I DIDNT PING U JUST TYPED AND SENT IT

😡

mad

[marsh summit]

that's not true. the bro is clearly a master. of baiting. a baiter master, if you would

[abstract ledge]

and ur the master of catfishing

[marsh summit]

my cat is pretty good at fishing ngl

so i guess you could say yeah i am the master of cat fishing

[abstract ledge]

im going to fish you

[marsh summit]

i train them well

[abstract ledge]

ur cat is actually a man

then

ima not continue I almost said something bad