How would I set up a base for a Character Controller appropriately?

[versed hazel]

I'm a novice scripter, but I do have experience in other engines such as LÖVE and Godot. I'm making an entirely custom movement system that directly manipulates momentum values using AssemblyLinearVelocity, and porting code from another game (Sonic Robo Blast 2) to do so.

The thing is: The base I set up is pretty shit. I add in the collider after deleting all parts of the player, then turn EvaluateStateMachine off, make the collider completely unrotatable and weld a rig to it.

This causes the player to be unable to reset whatsoever, and when I try to rotate the rig, it jitters and eventually forces itself back to work it was. I can't show code, as I'm not on PC right now, but I used constraints, and VectorForce to stop the game from applies it's gravity to the player.

Is there any examples I can look at for adding capsules instead of the usual avatar? Along with that, how can I attach a rig to my collider, but still have it able to be rotated to my needs?

Bonus points if we can attach the avatar to the capsule instead. That was my original idea, but it didn't work.

[red chasm]

if it were me i'll just use a startercharacter

get roblox physics

[versed hazel]

i dont want to cause it wont be a port

[versed hazel]

tried the custom startercharacter thing just now and its janky

[sharp drift]

** You are now Level 1! **

[versed hazel]

not what i want

[meager nacelle]

R u referring to a primary part

[versed hazel]

well yeah ig

i want the player to be the collider

but i want the rig to also move alongside the collider yet be able to rotate freely

and not collide with anything ofc

[versed hazel]

i have a solution in mind for player rigs

characters would be moved to their own folder in workspace called Players

rigs would be named after the players and slapped into their own folder named Rigs

[red chasm]

prolly use raycasting more

it'll cause lag tho

[versed hazel]

worked

its a bit weird of a solution but it worjs

roblox really should provide a inhouse solution for this thing...

[red chasm]

np

[versed hazel]

UPDATE:

apparently this is so hacky to the point where it doesnt replicate right to the server

i need help with this, tons of it

first of all, i wanna take a different approach and make my rig replace startercharacter entirely. one problem; i dont know i can make the root part only rotate on 1 axis while the other parts can rotate as much as they want freely. this was the reason why i did the method i did

[sharp drift]

** You are now Level 2! **

[versed hazel]

id like to still use capsules but it just looks outright impossible without doing stupid shit, i hate this shitty engine 🥹

you can view my code by going here and opening this in studio, its uncopylocked

https://www.roblox.com/games/134032679130785/Roboblasted-Engine

[sage grove]

No it won’t

[sage grove]

Just give network owner of the character to the client

[versed hazel]

thats what i did, it doesnt work

specifically the rigs primary part

along with this the player isnt able to reset at all so i need a better method

[sage grove]

Ur doing velocity on the client right?

[versed hazel]

yep

[sage grove]

can I see a vid

[versed hazel]

im on mobile rn so i cant show

[sage grove]

also what parts are u doing on the server (if u are)

[versed hazel]

on pc i do havw a video of the server/other player falling thru the dloor

[sage grove]

Oh just raycast or shapecast every heartbeat

[versed hazel]

i do the initalization of the player on the server (rig cloning, ownership setting) while everything controller related is done on the client

[versed hazel]

that just sounds wrong, there has to be a better way to do it than a weird heartbeat check

[sage grove]

?

Wym

@versed hazel

[versed hazel]

the rig falls through the ground for any player except yours (your client), while the collider itself stays where it should be which is the players position

a heartbeat function feels like more of a hack than an actual fix

[sage grove]

no it’s not bro what

[versed hazel]

and i dont wanna risk that as i wanna use this engine for my own games

[sage grove]

heartbeat runs every time after physics

[versed hazel]

so does stepped doesnt it?

[sage grove]

and raycast are cheap they won’t cause lag

[sage grove]

stepped is on the server

and ur not doing ur movement on the server

[versed hazel]

wait so let me get this straight

if i use stepped on the client

it runs when the server runs physics?

[sage grove]

stepped doesn’t work on the client

[versed hazel]

but i use stepped on the client

[sage grove]

heartbeat is what runs after physics

[versed hazel]

and it works

[sage grove]

Thats impossible

[versed hazel]

check the code yourself

[sage grove]

Unless u mean renderstepped

[versed hazel]

no i use both

[sage grove]

Or PreRender

??

Stepped doesn’t even work on the client tho

[versed hazel]

renderstepped is what i use for rig positioning

[sage grove]

Lms ur code

[versed hazel]

stepped is for general physics updates

[versed hazel]

go check it in studio cause i dont have it on me

im on mobile

[sage grove]

I’m on phone

[versed hazel]

ah whatever

if i could have used the pc at this time i would have shown

[sage grove]

Oh it’s render stepped that doesn’t run on the server mb

[versed hazel]

ohhh shit i see now

[sage grove]

Anyways id say do a raycast every heartbeat to detect collisions

[versed hazel]

so i gotta do BOTH

[versed hazel]

no cause collisions arent the problem here

its just the rig being stupid

[sage grove]

What’s ur problem

[versed hazel]

the rig has gravity applied to it and falls through the floor even tho i make it so theres no velocity on it and set its position to my collider every frame in RenderStepped

if i run that same code in both RenderStepped and Stepped then itll work i hope

[sage grove]

U can check if it’s grounded when applying gravitational force

[versed hazel]

the rig doesnt go through any of that, the collider does

its just a visual for the player

the collider works as intended but not the rig

[sage grove]

Ok so to be clear ur colliders position isn’t updating properly but ur rig is?

[versed hazel]

my collider is updating properly, but my rig isnt

[sharp drift]

** You are now Level 3! **

[versed hazel]

my rig just falls through the ground

[sage grove]

How are u updating ur collider and ur rigs position

U should properly do ur collision logic before u do velocity

[versed hazel]

my collider is ran through Stepped and it uses default roblox collision, it works for other clients as well

my rig is updated via RenderStepped and im starting to realize that this could be where the problem lies

but if i put the rig updating code in Stepped, my rig sorta lags behind

[sage grove]

Are u updating both ur rig and collider through stepped

[versed hazel]

no, my rig is only updated through renderstepped

[sage grove]

Ok that’s ur problem then

[versed hazel]

ill update the rig in both stepped and renderstepped then

[sage grove]

No

[versed hazel]

i already stated that i dont wanna do stepped only because the rig sorta lags behind

[sage grove]

Collisions should be handled after physics

[versed hazel]

collisions arent the problem here, the rig is

[sage grove]

Velocity should be handled before physics

[versed hazel]

oh so then just Stepped should be fine

[red chasm]

it will

[red chasm]

velocity is physics

[sage grove]

Raycasts aren’t expensive at all

[red chasm]

its not prefered over large area

and if you do it consistently

so uh

preferably dont do it

[sage grove]

Like I said

Raycasts are cheap

[red chasm]

yes

it doesnt mean you can use it if theres better way

so stop

replying ot my msg 💔

[sage grove]

s1 skid proven wrong so now he’s mad

[red chasm]

crazy

s1 skid?

do you know how easy it is to get s1

road to s2 gngs

[red chasm]

oh sht

[versed hazel]

ok so like

im trying to use StarterCharacter now

and i have this NEWrig

but heres what happens when i try to resize the stupid fucking root part

im trying to turn the root part into the hitbox for the player

anyone know a solution? i can use blender

[crystal condor]

what even is problem

[crystal condor]

what are you trying to do

[versed hazel]

nevermind

i fixed it 😭

[crystal condor]

you're welcome

[red chasm]

pyro what system you send for s2 and s3

[sage grove]

It’s not about what u send it’s about how good it is

[red chasm]

Sure

Send a script that create a.base part and parent it to the workspace in a loop

We'll see what happens

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https://tenor.com/view/-gif-7240636

[red chasm]

facts

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