How to start learning scripting?

[worn palm]

I want to Lear scripting but I don’t know where to start

[ivory chasm]

learn scripting

[weary tapir]

brawldev

[flat comet]

Everyone has their own way of learning scripting. You can watch Brawl Dev most scripters here have learned from him. Or (if you prefer reading over watching), you can go to the Roblox documentation and read what everything does. If you have bugs, go to the Dev Forum since someone else probably had that same bug and fixed it. You can use AI to script, but instead of giving it the buggy code, you can ask it to explain line by line what everything does, or ask, "Explain to me the issue in this script."

[worn palm]

Tysm, how long do you recommend me to practice a day and how long did it take you to become confident in scripting (to a point where you can create games fluently enough)

[flat comet]

The amount of time to pratice every day really depends on what u have for ex:you have school or work so it takes most of the day maybe u have practice after 3pm or something like that. So it really depends on the amount of free time u have i'd would recommend 1-2 hours scripting everyday to get a hang of it then slowly make game like a obby then a simulator to something really advanced. Everyone takes time learning something some slow some fast so my answer wouldn't be the same amount of time it takes for u to get create games fluently

[worn palm]

Most of the time when I’m watching tutorials. Yes I can get the code functioning and working, even if I do understand what the code does and how it works. I can’t quite replicate it in a real scenario. For example, if I made a game purely of tutorials, I can’t nesscesrly use those skills to create a game without tutorials. Is that a part of the process? Repetition and practise or is it just me

[raven path]

** You are now Level 2! **

[thorny patio]

Look, scripting skills more depend on your thinking process, the way you imagine things, its purely based on logic and abstraction, the more structured and wide your architectures are, more likely you grasp more advanced concepts, luau scripting is like learning to play chess, but obviously results can be much better even if you fail rather then loosing chess match

So if you cant make game without a tutorials, you are more likely let your brain grasp the concepts of logic used to create things, to create own things, you need to imagine them and make

So its a learning, even if it feels like you dont have skills to make a game, you will have it eventually

[flat comet]

@worn palm is going to way above our level if we give him more info lol

[flat comet]

let your brain grasp the main concept of the code u are dealing with

[worn palm]

😭

[thorny patio]

Its matter of time and how open eyed person you are for the learning, it takes a lot of willpower to break yourself and build more and more, even if its painful, this is only way to learn is to learn to break it again and build again to find again and again and again

[flat comet]

yea whatever he said

[thorny patio]

You can always stop but if you stop this is end

[flat comet]

plus whatever i said

= greatness

[thorny patio]

Scripting is most powerful skill in making games yet comes with a price of own sanity to learn it

[flat comet]

fr

i have almost killed myself more than once to learn scripting

[raven path]

Here you go!

[thorny patio]

Yeah sometimes you script scripts to only realise mistakes you couldnt make, but its a price of learning

[flat comet]

yea

[thorny patio]

So if you just wish to be developer, reaching peak of scripting isnt mandatory, you can always master other things, but if you chose to be great developer, being good scripter comes along with it

[wary star]

Honestly understanding the workspace is one of the most important steps to scripting as looking through properties tells you a lot about how things work.

[worn palm]

Lowkey I’m just tryna be the next jandel 😭

[thorny patio]

Consider that jandel has 7-8 years of coding experience, so its combined minecraft java coding and roblox scripting, he has wide connections and made several popular games and manage them, including his connections with bigstudio, so its nearly top tier of developing skills in general, he might be not expert but great developer

[worn palm]

Doesn’t he just buy games and hire devs?

[flat comet]

yea but he is very skilled when it comes to making games

[thorny patio]

Well he is a scripter and a developer, if he does hire people and buy games its only 50% of his game making career, he made games himself, he probably has enough funding and investment to just buy things and polish and not waste time imagining ideas

[flat comet]

exactly he is rich enough from making games that he doesn't need to work as much as back then since he can afford to hire other devs

[thorny patio]

Many people judge devs by their last works or most popular works, which isnt correct, most devs who own popular games, have enough connections and experience 5+ years to start getting popularity on roblox itself, but they have popularity in developing circles even before that

[thorny patio]

Yeah just wise approach

If you are trustworthy like jandel you can make any big things possible

[worn palm]

Have you made any semi successful games yet?

[flat comet]

he does buy games but he can tell which game is going to work out and which is not

[worn palm]

Not rlly considering the fisch devs, holes is practically dead

[flat comet]

@thorny patio that is the question

did u make any good games

[worn palm]

Like any game with 100+ active is considered good for someone without a team of devs?

[flat comet]

for me i do more commissions to get robux to make ads for my game i also have join 1 game jam

[flat comet]

100+ U FR

it that like daily

or when making ads

[thorny patio]

I made game, I advertised it, but truth is, its not enough to become great developer, its big lie that making simple games can get you far, because you need same amount of funding to advertise and hold it afloat, its like not hard to make a game but hard to get profits and make it popular, also making people investing is impossible without connection, so best step in starting career is building real connections that matter in roblox development community and make a name for yourself

[flat comet]

yea

[thorny patio]

My game got 100 ccu but its highly expensive to manage it

[worn palm]

How many visits did u get?

[flat comet]

oh ok

[raven path]

** You are now Level 5! **

[flat comet]

level 5 w

[thorny patio]

I got like 20-30k visits but it doesnt matter really

[flat comet]

oh that isn't a lot

[worn palm]

How much in profits if you don’t mind me asking

[worn palm]

.

[thorny patio]

Because if you dont have funding to advertise it constantly and like taking risks its absolutely worthless

[wary star]

What was your game about?

[flat comet]

https://tenor.com/view/money-money-money-gif-3641396535535975514

everyone going for money

[thorny patio]

It was about jump rope a labubu

[flat comet]

uhh

[thorny patio]

Well I made it for fun

[flat comet]

ok that's fine

[wary star]

I thought u were trolling me 😭

[thorny patio]

Because many people want highly quality games from start

[flat comet]

i do scripting as a hobby

[thorny patio]

When its dillusional

You get experience along with making any yames

[wary star]

Any projects ur working on rn?

[thorny patio]

Few thousands robux but thats just nearly same as I spend on advertisement

[worn palm]

Damn

[thorny patio]

I just improve skills I want to be noticable developer

[flat comet]

helping spirit ❌ asking about simon's lore✅

[worn palm]

lol fr

[flat comet]

and to make that bag

[wary star]

I'm lowk curious tho 😭 💀

[thorny patio]

I kean roblox developing is very strictly hierarchy based on connections

Mean

If you have no name in community, dont know specific people, its highly unlikely you will be satisfied with development

[worn palm]

Alr bet (jk)

[wary star]

Says ur available for free so expect zero profit

[thorny patio]

I recommend to learn and improve skills, to be highly talwnted and valuablr

For the community and people

[flat comet]

fr?

i do work for paid

wait lemme change that

[wary star]

Lol

[flat comet]

nobody does work for free

[wary star]

Yk let's just ignore the main topic at hand

[thorny patio]

Pour all effort in skills

[wary star]

So what type of work do u do

[flat comet]

scripting

[worn palm]

Is commissions profitable?

[wary star]

Just make a passion project

[flat comet]

making 3k robux yea making money like 100s of dollars hell nah

[thorny patio]

It depends on your rank as a developer in networking

[wary star]

Combat frameworks, ui, or?

[flat comet]

you have to deal with scams also

[flat comet]

all why do people choose one?

[thorny patio]

Its nice, but also you loose passion once you acquire more skill

[wary star]

What type of hitboxes do u use

[wary star]

Yeah but u will eventually come back to it

[thorny patio]

I dont like games or gaming or anything related to it, cuz it became just too primitive

[wary star]

That's just hoe burnouts are

[flat comet]

wait wait calm down i don't like revealing lore or anything like that unless for money

[thorny patio]

It doesnt mean you go to software engineering because of that, its just truth about becoming better

[wary star]

Bro no way ur gatekeeping publicly known methods 😭

[flat comet]

i need that bag bro air is all i have 😭

[wary star]

Damn 😔

[thorny patio]

I like raycasting, other hitboxes look interesting but I dont see them as good as raycasting

[wary star]

I might hit u up in the future

[wary star]

Yep that's what I did at first too but I realized it was too annoying

[flat comet]

M-M-MMONEY!!!!

[thorny patio]

Many people would say magnitude can be good, but I feel like people overthink towards other types when you can rewrite raycast

[wary star]

Can u animate bbg?

[wary star]

I simulate swings with magnitude

[flat comet]

i can't animate i do scripting and building i try doing animation but i am garbage at it

[wary star]

U need magnitude anyways

Even when doing raycasting

[worn palm]

We actually went so off track

[thorny patio]

I mean not purely magnitude

[raven path]

** You are now Level 3! **

[flat comet]

fr

[wary star]

Yeah but it's such a core part of explot prevention u might as well just go all in

Of course there's exceptions for certain things

Raycasting is awesome though just painful imo

[worn palm]

Yellow role color w

[thorny patio]

Idk, roblox isnt easy, isnt impossible, but it has better promises then most career choices, its just very gatekeeped and strict

[wary star]

Raycasting is also very very very animation dependent

[flat comet]

making roblox games are for fun not for money that is why it is super hard to make anything

[thorny patio]

Idk raycast is okay, I made exploit preventions easily after some point, with animations

[thorny patio]

Yes but you gonna need to choose anyways

[flat comet]

money

[wary star]

Yeah but again, they're super animation dependent

[thorny patio]

Because to make great things you need to be more then hobbiest

[thorny patio]

Yeah just securing animations

And creating hitbox on server helps

[wary star]

Just play them sever side right?

[thorny patio]

No play client but results must be corrected by server

[wary star]

Unnecessary delay, a magnitude check should suffice

[wary star]

Actually a lot of games do it on the server

[thorny patio]

Server sucks anyways

[wary star]

But I'm unfamiliar with that method so I can't say anything

[thorny patio]

Client just provides smoothness that wont ruin gameplay

[wary star]

Not if u use content preloader

[thorny patio]

It still sucks

Because of latency

When server is overloaded its gonna increase latency

[wary star]

Wym? Animation is delayed or?

[thorny patio]

Animation delay

Like when you play laggy game or game that has poor optimization

[wary star]

U never wanna get to that point though

[thorny patio]

It has 1 second delay average

And it ruins gameplay completely

[wary star]

Never been that bad for me

[thorny patio]

When you have large map, a lot of server onteractions you sacrafice animations

[wary star]

Hmm I guess if ur on super high ping i see ur argument

[thorny patio]

Interactions

[flat comet]

guys how did we go from helping @worn palm to @thorny patio 's lore to raycasts to performance and shi

[thorny patio]

I mean you always care about high ping players, low end devices

Its just mandatory

[wary star]

Roblox servers can actually manage that pretty well, have you personally tested it?

[thorny patio]

I didnt test but I saw how several games encounter it and switch on client

[wary star]

What games did it happen to?

[thorny patio]

Last game was attack on shenigans

But they fixed it

Before it has 1-2 second delay between m1's

[wary star]

They switched from server to client anims?

[thorny patio]

Yes

[wary star]

U sure?

[thorny patio]

Well I played it for week

I know how trash it was then noe its smoother

It handles many many parts

[wary star]

Dod they say they switched to client anims?

[thorny patio]

Yes

I mean its obvious

If you worked with server/client anims you will see difference in live game

[wary star]

So they fixed their delay and u believe it was because they switched to client anims right

[thorny patio]

Its not seen in studio because studio is local hosted depends on your pc resources

[thorny patio]

Bruh why you ask same question, yes

[wary star]

Just to confirm

[thorny patio]

If you play animation on client it plays instantly on client

And with delay on server

If you play on server

It will play with no delay because delay goes for client and

[wary star]

Ok that's a fair point but think about timing games

[thorny patio]

It delays on client but plays perfectly syncing on server

[wary star]

Like derpwoken

[thorny patio]

They use predictions and corrections

Of ping and etc

But core architecture is client based always

[wary star]

Interesting because Type soul still uses server animations

[thorny patio]

Predictions also ensure antiexploiting

[thorny patio]

Type soul is trash game tbh

[wary star]

It has a good combat and I find it's smoothness to be similar to deepwoken

[thorny patio]

I can guess but as constant high ping player its still mid

[wary star]

Also I tested derpwoken before and they rely on server confirmation to play their animations so there's a good chance it's server sided

Games like GPO use client side prediction though

[thorny patio]

Why do they need server confirmation then

If they use server animations

[wary star]

Probably for their hitbox timing

[thorny patio]

You always get delay if you play on server thats ineventable, it depends on game size and how server loaded

[wary star]

It's a good chance deep still uses server but their animations will always be delayed

[thorny patio]

The bigger game/more server load = more delay possibility

[wary star]

Even if they play on the client they need server confirmation

Testing this is easy. Just turn off ur wifi and m1

[thorny patio]

Well this it depends, but you get smoother combat

[uneven shoal]

guys

i have issues with my script can someone hellp

plss

local humanoid = char:FindFirstChild("Humanoid")

    if humanoid then
        local walkAnimObj = game.ReplicatedStorage.WalkAnim
        if walkAnimObj then
            local walkAnim = humanoid:LoadAnimation(walkAnimObj)
            walkAnim:Play()
        end
    end

[wary star]

Yes I agree, but I don't think deep does predictions for their combat

[thorny patio]

Maybe but idk Im not deepwoken player really much

[uneven shoal]

simon

can you help

[thorny patio]

Client and server predictions proved to be better

[thorny patio]

Use codeblock and you could make a post

[wary star]

Depends on the game tbh

[uneven shoal]

whats codeblock

[thorny patio]

code block and at the end 3 back quotes

[worn palm]

How is this conversation still going on?

[thorny patio]

Of message

[worn palm]

…

[thorny patio]

Lolol

[worn palm]

How commited are you guys

[wary star]

@thorny patio u say that client prediction is necessary right

[uneven shoal]

local humanoid = char:FindFirstChild("Humanoid")

    if humanoid then
        local walkAnimObj = game.ReplicatedStorage.WalkAnim
        if walkAnimObj then
            local walkAnim = humanoid:LoadAnimation(walkAnimObj)
            walkAnim:Play()
        end
    end

''' lua

like this?

[wary star]

So when the person m1s on client it does thr m1 animations instantly right

[thorny patio]

Its necessary if you dont want to resolve issues in future

[thorny patio]

Yes

But you dont delay it for them

You predict hitboxes for server

Based on delay

[wary star]

But u gotta account for player states

The server needs to hold the truth for all player states

[thorny patio]

Truth for all playerstates?

[wary star]

If an invalid m1 occurs then that will lead to desync between the server and client

[wary star]

Blocking, stunned, etc

[thorny patio]

Oh

[wary star]

I've done both client and several animationd

One thing I've struggled thr most on client was syncing the player states

I tried doing ping compensation and everything but it was a mess

[thorny patio]

I mean its not easy task you just create backbone architecture for server, then for client and make it robust

[wary star]

What do you mean?

[thorny patio]

Such combat system reqyures week of work atleast, its still better in general if you make a game

Requires

[thorny patio]

I mean you tell me problems of syncing and desyncing thats like error handling

You resolve it once architecture is done

[wary star]

The issue is resolving it though

[thorny patio]

Well first you need this system backbone then when you see it working without erroring generally, you build on top of it error handling, typechecks

Predictions and everything isnt main thing, but rather flexibility

[thorny patio]

Maybe you understand a bit how scripters think lol

[wary star]

I do agree but at that point ur gonna end up doing more than you need to than if u just went server side

I've been there before

[thorny patio]

Server = delay = uncomfortable for player

If you can perfectly handle delays sure

[wary star]

Sometimes delay is needed for a fair experience for all

[thorny patio]

Players want to be both done, but you mask it always

Most games hitboxes are queries

You can offer best combat only in single player game

[wary star]

That's true

[thorny patio]

So you cope with it, with predictions, but visually it must be obvious that its not uncomfortable

Like I played games with high ping

[wary star]

How high of ping?

[thorny patio]

I know how uncofortamblr is when you click click and animatikn plays only after second or 2

So your even delays are around 1-2 seconds you need to predict it

[wary star]

Are you close to Brazil, by chance?

[thorny patio]

120-200 ping

I just have bad wifi generally

[wary star]

120-200 shouldn't cause 1 second delays

[thorny patio]

Well its average

If it spikes it goes to 609

600

And till you unfreeze

But anyways I feel pain of bad wifi players

[wary star]

I don't think animations are the issue anymore at that point

[thorny patio]

Well you cant make players play on best devices and enjoy game

[wary star]

If someone is playing with spikes of around 600 ping they can't expect a smooth experience in any gamr

[thorny patio]

Only very small % of people can afford higj quality gameplay

I use fastflags to remove any possible delays from client

While playing

But still you make games for roblox players

Roblox players start from iphone 4S with 3g and 20mb internet and can end up on some top tier pc

You can restrict all phone players but you left with like 20-30 million of auditory

[wary star]

Yes but fir competitive games the main audience isn't an iPhone user with poor wifi

[thorny patio]

When mobile is nearly 400m

[thorny patio]

Well as a developer your goal is to make game playable and get money

[raven path]

** You are now Level 12! **

[wary star]

Yes but while ur approach my make the game more playable for some it makes its logic completely exploitable

[thorny patio]

If you spend most of your effort making experience only for top players its great but also less profitable

Idk its simple answer this is roblox

[wary star]

Games with server side confirmation are playable

[raven path]

** You are now Level 9! **

[thorny patio]

If I was unity developer I would maybe care

[wary star]

Ur saying that they cause very long delays

[thorny patio]

They cause delays if you have bad internet and spikes

[wary star]

I think that's more of a roblox issue than the game

[wary star]

That's not something that's solvable is my point

[thorny patio]

You wont make roblox fix their issue, because its not game breaking

They care about profits from minimum effort, you get shit content

[wary star]

Can you give me an example of some server side prediction for something like a hitbox

[thorny patio]

I dont play combat games anymore, but arcane odyssey has everything to offer with predictions

[wary star]

Have u seen their code?

[thorny patio]

No but its obvious for me, because I have spikes

I feel gameplay is much more smoothyl

The bad example is

One piece rebitth

It has worst and most unptpimized combay

Combat for average player

[wary star]

I think saying that it's because of predictions is too naive with no evidence yk

[thorny patio]

Its server based and purely server handled

[thorny patio]

I mean you cant dig in all games code

So you try to understand from just first look

From first look arcane odyssey perfectly handles predictions

[wary star]

I think the best example of a game with predictions is gpo

They do stun time based off ping

[thorny patio]

Yeah its nice but also depends on complexity arcane odyssey has more complexity in it

[wary star]

And use client side inviduals

[thorny patio]

So its morr obvious when you switch from m1s to abilities

More

[wary star]

But their game is still so bad on high ping

[wary star]

I haven't played it personally

[thorny patio]

Like I dont stop you from doing server, but if its purely server based its unpredictable

[wary star]

I do both but all my logic is handled on the server

[thorny patio]

1 player with best device will tell game is most accurate game on roblox

2nd will tell its so awful that he cant play it anymore

But you must satisfy both

Because few players will pay more money per person and stay longer in game if its more fitting their device

[wary star]

Unfortunately doing that is genuinely impossible without risking exploitations

[thorny patio]

But more playerbase with average and low devices will pay less but make you more if you hold them longer

[thorny patio]

Well does it look like most games care

[wary star]

I'm gonna go sleep man ill catch you later

[thorny patio]

Its about practical aplliance

Appliance

[wary star]

Yes but it's always more to one side than the other

[thorny patio]

Most studios or game devs dnc about games cuz

Games die and players switch

Yes you can play long term

But thats much riskier

So no one wants to put effort in it

People need both some reality and illusion of quality gameplay

[wary star]

That's how it is, see you later

[thorny patio]

In order for dev to get profits and validation

[thorny patio]

Yeah goodnight ig

[worn palm]

Finally

[thorny patio]

Oh you wanna talk lol?

Was actually very mindful conversation