#Discussion - malte0621

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carmine ibexBOT
pallid night
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I like it, and potentially rename hiring to commissions or smth

flat bloom
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abso-fucking-lutely

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so people don't have to pay to form a decent team anymore

haughty fractal
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i like this idea

winter olive
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so a collab

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okay if this gets over 20 reacts for yes ill forward this to management and consider it

spare crow
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no

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because the entire channel would be filled by inexperienced 10 year olds who want to "hire" people for free and get 80% of the profits while bringing nothing to the table

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if it actually worked it wouldn't be a bad idea but this would degrade the standard of the server because it wont

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anyone with actual skills to make a game (scripting, VFX, building, etc) would almost always want payment unless they are really new or working with a friend specifically

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so this would just be 99% broke game owners looking for a team

haughty fractal
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i think part of the point is to give those types of people somewhere to ask

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of course only people interested in doing free work are gonna care about that channel. for the most part it means less unsolicited “hiring people for %” in development channels

flat bloom
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i mean you guys added the "can help for free" role for a reason

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i mean you gotta give small devs a chance to get a team

river pilot
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I disagree

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It’s not really fun

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You’re working without being sure your game will generate a lot

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But if you work in a project and you’re guaranteed to have a payment and the game flops at least you were paid

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But if theres no payment throughout the development and the game flops

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The work was useless

river pilot
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The devs in this channel would be like

togif.gif
plush ospreyBOT
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studio** You are now Level 23! **studio

spare crow
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if this gets added

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its getting removed within a week or 2

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i garuntee u

river pilot
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Lmao

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People do not understand the fact experienced do not work for free

river pilot
haughty fractal
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again

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nobody who wants money is going to care about the channel

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this is to cater to the same crowd of people who have the FREE FOR HIRE (or whatever it’s called) role

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“we shouldnt have this because nobody who wants money is gonna use it” Like Wut

crisp dirge
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i mean sure its gonna give me a place to redirect people to

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when they do their 9485784584th hiring post in the wrong channel

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asking for free workers

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ill never look at it so shrugw

somber ledge
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"looking for dev team"? More like showing how poor you are instead of fairly paying the people you work with. Get out.

trail python
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This seems like a free work loophole

somber ledge
haughty fractal
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THERE IS NO LOOPHOLE

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YOU GUYS LITERALLY HAVE A ROLE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO WORK FOR FREE

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WHAT IS THE LOOPHOLE

haughty fractal
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What do you guys have against 14 year olds who have no way to make any money but want to at least Try to make a game with Anyone who is willing. Why is one (1) Discord channel you never have to open so problematic

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it seems to me like yalls thought process is “Dam its annoying when people who have no money try to hire other people. Let’s make sure we do absolutely nothing to try to lessen the issue so we can continue to be annoyed by it and forever scratch our heads about what we can do”

flat bloom
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jeez

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this is literally a fucking twitter thread

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tho he's right, really

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you gotta consider the smaller devs who need general help with the game

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specially begginers

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Oh btw @winter olive we got 20+ yesses

winter olive
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alrighttt

flat bloom
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i believe in u astro

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bring us justice

snow ingot
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Sure but it should only be available for those who are ranked in a skill.

trail python
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this would just increase the scams in this server

haughty fractal
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what is the scam?

trail python
haughty fractal
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read that again

trail python
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or getting % and never getting anything

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these kids are idiots

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and the people who hire for free take advantage

haughty fractal
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idiocy is not a scam

trail python
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we'll guess who has to deal with tons of scam tickets

haughty fractal
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"deal with" as in Close them for "you did not get scammed, you did free work"

trail python
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Someone gets hired for free but doesn't get any credit or money in return (if the game releases).

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People fire someone after they did work (for free) but their assets were taken from them.

haughty fractal
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these problems are not exclusive to free work

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these are problems you deal with today by people offering money

trail python
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They are harder to enforce.

haughty fractal
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how

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"i took this job for a percentage and i know the game makes money but im not getting paid"

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sounds straightforward to me

trail python
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how about being fired midway through

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how about someone fires you after you worked for free but they take ur assets

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how about you worked for free and the user sells your assets - but since u worked for free you don't own them.

haughty fractal
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that's not how intellectual property works

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there is nothing different between how you handle a paid scam vs a worked for free scam

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the only difference between the two is the payment method

trail python
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if we make this channel im plainly saying "we will not enforce any work done without a prior agreement for payment"

snow ingot
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the only time ppl wanna make games for free is game jams

trail python
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No possible scam really since you’re paid directly by RSC and we keep track of teams

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It’s also more likely you’ll make money compared to most other free games

somber ledge
trail python
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It’s working for credit, profits, and experience

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You can still get scammed out of intangible things

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You can lose your own work, you can lose out on the games profits, you can miss out on having your name in the game.

somber ledge
spare crow
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fixing a problem that doesnt exist

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this would turn out absolutely awful holy shit

haughty fractal
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Wdym it doesn’t exist

spare crow
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i can imagine what the chat would be like rn

haughty fractal
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There is a role for it

spare crow
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that is a legacy role and only protects people from dm advertising

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any case of "free work" that doesnt include a friend group

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never turns out good

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thats excluding the 99.9% chance it would be a scam

haughty fractal
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This is not a problem that exists

spare crow
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it isnt

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because 10 year olds want free work doesnt make it a problem bro..

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they shouldnt be able to hire a team for free and thats the end of it

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it WOULD be a problem if we made the channel if anything

trail python
haughty fractal
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u cant be 10 to use discord brw

spare crow
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or the actual thing

trail python
spare crow
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ok bro lets see

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after 1 day

trail python
spare crow
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how many posts actually go through and get a team

trail python
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the message does protect people tho

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like yeah this channel is basically "hiring" but without the need for immediate payment and a job

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like maybe ur just looking for people to join ur dev team for future projects

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maybe looking for a gamejam team out of our server

spare crow
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why would you want a team you dont pay

trail python
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or just sharing a passion project that someone would be interested in helping

spare crow
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passion project is a way to cover up % work

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or just

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taking advantage of new people to the industry

trail python
haughty fractal
trail python
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so we said they must have a prior text agreement to make a scam report on it

trail python
haughty fractal
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how do you get taken advantage of by waltzing into the “get hired for free” channel and getting hired for free

spare crow
spare crow
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i think the ratio of people trying to form a free team and people willing to accept one

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will be so astronomically apart

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that it makes the channel basically useless

haughty fractal
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i dont see how that’s relevant to being taken advantage of

spare crow
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the only reason youd ever accept unpaid work is if your new to that skill role

haughty fractal
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i also don’t think a channel being relatively inactive means it shouldn’t exist

spare crow
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because you dont know how the industry works yet

haughty fractal
spare crow
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you dont know this game wont become the next blox fruits

haughty fractal
spare crow
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this has nothing to do with assumptions

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its how experience works

haughty fractal
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no, you are making an assumption

spare crow
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i am infact

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not

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making an assumption

haughty fractal
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ok

spare crow
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thats the same as saying

haughty fractal
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yes because there is only one reason everyone does anything

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ty

spare crow
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"this server should be all ages your assuming people under 13 are immature"

haughty fractal
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what

spare crow
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im comparing your logic

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what do you mean what

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do you not understand comparisons

haughty fractal
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lol

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yes it’s a comparison. not a good one

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are you unable to articulate your comparison better

spare crow
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it is a good one

haughty fractal
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ok

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i think you just don’t like being disgreed with

spare crow
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im comparing the stupidity of your statement

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and the one i quoted

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to be similar

haughty fractal
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no you just misunderstand things

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i’m not really interested in arguing with you, it’s not gonna go anywhere

zealous barn