💡 please take away the dev role. the skill roles are enough and 90% of people here are devs… that...

[golden fulcrum]

Please discuss this idea civilly, don't forget to vote on this idea in #📝︱server-suggestions!

[grave harbor]

entirely agree

[nocturne trench]

bruh this has been discussed for the last few months

i said id lower it to 2 roles eventually

but if i did now we'd have a crazy amount of ranker tickets

dev role is purely for giving users who learn multiple things an award

[minor crypt]

developer role is same as for hire roles.. imo..

[minor crypt]

they can have multiple skill ranks
ur required to have those anyway to have dev role

im a hater of this update im sorry 😭

[nocturne trench]

dev role is visually different

it gives u a shining gold icon

people like shining things

and roles

[minor crypt]

idk
not a good addition imo

[nocturne trench]

literally has no negative impact

its purely an aesthetic reward for users who accomplish skills in multiple areas

it promotes the idea of learning multiple things

a person like myself might have ui2 and s2, but this role would push me to go become better at building or something.

so then i could be dev II

[minor crypt]

but couldn’t u push yourself to get ui3 and s3?

without dev role?

[minor crypt]

@nocturne trench also majority of the people voted, agrees

[agile pelican]

rsc hates fun

[minor crypt]

idk what your plan with the role is but

it’s a waste

[agile pelican]

but like...

why not have it

just have fun

😝

[young swallow]

It's very similar to staff of the month

[agile pelican]

but we're keeping that so

[young swallow]

However, developer aligns with the servers purpose more

[agile pelican]

you guys just hate having fun roles i think

a role doesnt need to have a purpose

[young swallow]

I voted for developer

[agile pelican]

if we get rid of developer

might aswell get rid of celebrity too

and sotm

neither of them serve any purpose

[minor crypt]

maroon will throw a fit if we do

😢

but

[agile pelican]

i just dont think theres a reason to remove dev role

🤑

[minor crypt]

majority on this suggestion don’t like it as we already have skill roles

[agile pelican]

its literally just a flex, as is celebrity

and popular developer

neither of those roles give you access to anything afaik

theyre literally just flex roles

just like developer

theyre fun to have cuz why not

[young swallow]

only remove sotm

[agile pelican]

ive never gotten sotm i feel so deeply hurt by this

i agree we need to get rid of it

(unless i got sotm then keep it)

[young swallow]

majority voted to remove sotm too

[tropic topaz]

its literally

piss role

[young swallow]

no it's not

it looks really good

[muted spruce]

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No

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No

Role Created · Jan 21, 2025, 10:36 PM

[tropic topaz]

thats cool

still piss

[muted spruce]

ID

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Name

Developer

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<@&1331391965819961365>

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Yes

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No

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No

Role Created · Jan 21, 2025, 10:36 PM

[young swallow]

dude's worried about it being piss colored

[tropic topaz]

piss sux

[young swallow]

so is this why you're upvoting

[tropic topaz]

no

i think this is uncessary

[young swallow]

@minor crypt the entire suggestion seems contradictory

[tropic topaz]

skill roles are enough

[young swallow]

if the server's core identity revolves around developers, then a role that acknowledges multi-skilled ones could be seen as relevant and beneficial

it potentially allows for collaboration between two people of different skills

for instance, vfx and animating

[agile pelican]

rsc mfs when every change to something doesnt have a drastic effect on the way the server functions day to day :

[young swallow]

changes are good, but it's important to make sure they're good ones

[agile pelican]

its moreso the fact that people are concerned about having an unnecessary role like this and having something for fun when it wont affect a majority of people in the slightest

if you dont want the role then nobody is forcing you to get it, the people that want it can have it and the people that dont want it dont have to get it or force themselves to get it at the end of the day

[young swallow]

in the case of SOTM, it generally is not argued that it's a 'fun role'

[agile pelican]

🤷‍♂️ i think of it that way

if anyone is upset at somebody else getting sotm instead of them then thats childish

[young swallow]

won't apply to me because i'm not eligible anyways lol

[agile pelican]

i havent gotten sotm once but im not gonna cry over it, its a role in a discord server that has no actualy impact to you besides.... the color of your name?? 😭

same exact principle applies to developer roles

[young swallow]

it's argued that it's a motivator for better staff performance lol

[young swallow]

is true

[agile pelican]

for some people, maybe it is. good for them in that case

but at the end of the day it doesnt affect well over 90% of the server

it should just be a fun thing that you can get if you wanna try for it

just like the developer role

or celebrity role, theres probably a couple of people that are eligible for it and just dont want it

thats a-okay with everyone

[young swallow]

then why did 70% of voters upvote to remove it lol

[agile pelican]

couldnt tell you honestly

but i dont see how it affects anyone thats not staff or ranked higher

maybe the sotm role color hurts their eyes 🤷‍♂️ who knows atp

[young swallow]

i think an 80k member server should be as organized as possible

[agile pelican]

how does sotm role cause disorganization is my question

the server functions virtually the same with or without the role

there are 32 staff members eligible for sotm and almost 86,000 other members, that is affecting roughly 1 in every 2700 people

if its really that deep then idk man

[agile pelican]

less than 32 actually, i was counting staff and senior staff but you keep the role below you once promoted, just like how utf has management department leader senior staff and staff

[young swallow]

even if those 32 staff are important, focusing on a monthly award for them distracts from real server issues. Their morale should come from doing their job well and their contributions, not a 'fun thing' that affects so few.

[agile pelican]

i obviously cant speak on behalf of all staff members, but i truthfully dont think that as many are so concerned about getting sotm as you may think

but who knows, im just speaking on my personal opinion with the role

[nocturne trench]

bro people vote yes on anything that says delete in it

you say delete rsc and itll get 24 upvotes 0 downvotes

[young swallow]

Would you rather have a 'fun thing' that affects the 84,000 members or the 'fun thing' that affects the 32 staff? while staff recognition is important, the developer role has a much wider potential to improve the overall server experience.

[nocturne trench]

dev role is the same form of SOTM

purely aesthetic to reward people

we could do DOTM tho 👀

[agile pelican]

or we could

just have both

😭

this isnt a one or the other situation, we have both currently and both should stay implemented

[keen timber]

I agree, not even mentioning the factor of how difficult it is/would be to get. I looked through alot of the star tier people (scripting, modeling, building etc) and none of them have any other tier ranking, only their respective star tier

[young swallow]

@quiet quarry:

[lone fox]

That was a rlly bad idea

Unecessary role

[minor crypt]

#1357822739414646886 message this id one of the things said about it

maroon states sotm is the same way

[lone fox]

I think nobody can argument for this

Its just unecessary.

[agile pelican]

then get rid of celebrity and popular dev role too 🤷‍♂️

[minor crypt]

celebrity and popular dev are barely applied for anymore

people forgot about those

they were applied for a lot when we first came out with them

i think @nocturne trench might remember there were people who even didn’t qualify that wanted the role but over time it died

[agile pelican]

could you provide me with any form of necessity those roles provide please

why we need to keep them

[minor crypt]

There’s no need to

they just let the community know the user is well known

idk what chogis idea was with them in the first place

i can ask though

[agile pelican]

alright then

[minor crypt]

we can ask

[agile pelican]

lets get rid of them

[young swallow]

They shouldn’t be removed imo

[agile pelican]

personally i dont think they should be either

but the point of this is to get rid of unnecessary roles

these roles are unnecessary, lets get rid of them

there wasnt really a problem beforehand for their deletion, but they dont serve any purpose

[young swallow]

only one that should be removed is the staff one

[agile pelican]

<@&1348722360626319422>

[young swallow]

I did not know that existed

[agile pelican]

<@&1349076767285051504>

only person who has that role 🤑

[minor crypt]

their purpose

they’re separate roles for separate things but for the dev role, we have skill roles,,, why have those as well?

[agile pelican]

guess we've got 62 stickmasterlukes

[young swallow]

to recognize the people who are talented in various skills

[agile pelican]

^

[minor crypt]

but the skill roles do that just fine, yeah?

[agile pelican]

and at the end of the day its literally just a fun role

[young swallow]

they do

but the dev role does too

[minor crypt]

im asking genuinely curious your thought process— how is the dev role different?

[young swallow]

I’ll respond in approximately one hour

[agile pelican]

i just dont understand why we need to remove the role, if we had like 5 seperate roles semi similar to the dev role then id get that, but this is literally just a role for fun lol

[minor crypt]

We technically do, those high end skill roles

[agile pelican]

yeah but whats cooler 🤑

anyways

theres genuinely just no reason to remove it

nobody is forcing these higher skill roled people to get the role

if they want it they can have it

itd be more of a hassle to remove the role now than to just keep it and periodically if someone wants it then we give it to them

[nocturne trench]

I think I’ll lower it to 2 roles

Then more people can get it

It’s just a nice lil award

Doesn’t do anything

[agile pelican]

yeah 3 roles was a bit wild imo

[nocturne trench]

4th axis can get Dev 3

[young swallow]

Omg Choggsters is typing

[nocturne trench]

Dev Star looks cool

It’s glowing

[young swallow]

Can I see

[nocturne trench]

How can I show u

[young swallow]

Get Dev4

[muted spruce]

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1331391930294206494

Name

Developer

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#b7801a

Mention

<@&1331391930294206494>

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Yes

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No

Managed

No

Role Created · Jan 21, 2025, 10:36 PM

[young swallow]

Damn that does looks pretty cool

[nocturne trench]

Chogi voted on the poll 😭

[minor crypt]

yeah i got in contact with chogi about the popular dev and celebrity role to see what the purpose of those are — hence the screenshot i sent when i was talking about it here a few mins ago

[young swallow]

Bro I know

[minor crypt]

maroon summoned chogi !

[lone nova]

answer my dm @nocturne trench

[nocturne trench]

90% of popular devs made toolbox games that serve no creativity

They aren’t popular bruh

[lone nova]

it's the responsibility of staff members to interpret the meaning of the role accurately and provide it properly

[nocturne trench]

Then it becomes bias

[young swallow]

Staff of the month is shit

[nocturne trench]

The requirements for the role state only the objective minimums, nothing about how good a game is.

[minor crypt]

that’s not what we’re speaking about here

[nocturne trench]

So I can’t deny people the role when the game is poop

[agile pelican]

replace with staff of the day

[young swallow]

Just making sure everyone here knows that

[minor crypt]

wouldn’t be opposed to this

[young swallow]

Dear God

[minor crypt]

also why can’t i react skull emoji

[agile pelican]

role color is shit brown

[minor crypt]

come on now :(

[nocturne trench]

Removed your perms

[minor crypt]

omg yes

[nocturne trench]

You are banned from reacting

[minor crypt]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[nocturne trench]

Don’t leave me waiting

[minor crypt]

[nocturne trench]

I’ll remove dev roles but literally the poll won in favor of it

[nocturne trench]

People just love changing their minds

[minor crypt]

utf can u add ears to senior staff icon!!

[minor crypt]

i love this

capitalize though

no role should be lowercase grrrr

[young swallow]

@lone nova Can I have your autograph https://www.canva.com/design/DAGjubuePkA/foviRYujqdttsrC4XyOLjA/edit?utm_content=DAGjubuePkA&utm_campaign=designshare&utm_medium=link2&utm_source=sharebutton

[agile pelican]

oh yeah

[minor crypt]

did you seriously make a canva for chogi to sign

[young swallow]

Yes

[minor crypt]

omg maroon

[young swallow]

Jesus Christ that's so ugly

[agile pelican]

@nocturne trench can this be a role please

[young swallow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/449312743116505101/1357859787999547512/Untitled_43.png?ex=67f1bcf9&is=67f06b79&hm=2415ad2ae1af7e9b2dc0bafb5fb3a28d6e83d3932188fa5a0b536f4e9558748b&

[nocturne trench]

normal distribution

[nocturne trench]

For who?

Why don't we do Developer of the Month

get more use out of #✅︱creations

Delete dev roles and replace with DOTM

[agile pelican]

@minor crypt

[young swallow]

DOTM > SOTM

Abs > Flabs

[nocturne trench]

Cause tbf only 3 people applied for dev roles

[minor crypt]

honestly creations has been dead considering ever since we stopped moderating it as often since theres no requirements, no posts are in featured anymore, most posts are ignored by members, we lost our hype there

[young swallow]

Atleast you went 1/2

[minor crypt]

is there a plan to get that back up and running

[agile pelican]

dotm makes people use it more 🤑

[young swallow]

With the fourm marketplace thing

[agile pelican]

and forces moderation department to actually moderate it

[young swallow]

Just add benefits to featured creator

[minor crypt]

the role

what other benefits could we give it?

[young swallow]

replace former mod access to clownery with featured creator

[minor crypt]

eh idk

clownery has always been mod only and we only just made it former staff too

[agile pelican]

1 free ban on anyone you want

[minor crypt]

clownery was like an achievement for getting mod, you get mod? you get access to clownery

[minor crypt]

ha

id ban you /j

[young swallow]

Nah

Double china

[agile pelican]

unlikely

ur never getting featured

[young swallow]

Chuin

[agile pelican]

🤑

[young swallow]

Chin

[minor crypt]

wow

ur talking for what

lets see ur work

[agile pelican]

the more featured posts u get the more double chins

[minor crypt]

ONE SKILL RANK

ONE SKILL RANK

YOURE NOT GETTING FEATURED

GRRRRR

[agile pelican]

one skill rank just means that i can focus on that more

which means i have a higher chance at featured

zz

[minor crypt]

lies

[agile pelican]

(i havent made an animation in like 2 months)

[minor crypt]

fr

[nocturne trench]

Most liked post in #✅︱creations for the previous month gets DOTM

[minor crypt]

u suck

[minor crypt]

this

i like this

but nobody likes posts in there anymore

[agile pelican]

should we not make it start this month

[nocturne trench]

we will make them

[minor crypt]

lets make an announcement and ping everyone and let them know creations channel still exists

pls utf

thats the only way theyll notice is if u do that

[nocturne trench]

start march

[young swallow]

Give me qotd access again I want to ping @everyone

I'll do it

[minor crypt]

no

[agile pelican]

but then i feel like it might not be deserved

[young swallow]

Ok

[agile pelican]

most liked creation probably has like 5 likes

[minor crypt]

ur not ever getting qotd access back

[young swallow]

That's gay

[minor crypt]

as are you

its fine

im so funny

[agile pelican]

#reflect #learn #thoughtful

[young swallow]

Shut up Furry

[agile pelican]

[minor crypt]

pov maroon

[minor crypt]

thats not nice

[young swallow]

Holy shit bro I'm leaving

[minor crypt]

last i checked you used to rp in staff furry rp

[agile pelican]

the weight shifted in the room and i can breathe now ❤️

[minor crypt]

LMFAOOO

[quiet quarry]

bruh who tagged me

[minor crypt]

idk

[pure edge]

Ha, I have banned Xyloril before but you can't? Tsk tsk. 🙂‍↔️

[pure edge]

This was suggested 7 minutes after the announcement - it hasn't even been a day and they want it gone.

[pure edge]

Nooo, Kae cool. 🥺

[tropic topaz]

Nvm chat i think

Developer role isnt a bad thing

[minor crypt]

ily

[minor crypt]

yes

[pure edge]

[minor crypt]

im gonna ban you

[pure edge]

[minor crypt]

im jk 😢

[pure edge]

Oh. 🙂‍↔️

.ban save @minor crypt bulleh

[minor crypt]

noooo

[pure edge]

I almost did it thinking it would error but <@&1212878507085144164> is a higher role than- nvm

Senior is higher.

-# of course I couldn't

[grizzled fulcrum]

yeahhh dev role is just redundant. if you got rank 3 in three categories people can just see that, they dont need an extra role just to say what they already know

I see the appeal in specifying it with your badge in chat, since thats the only place someone cant see all your roles immediately, but seems pointless

[worn isle]

literally no point in removing it, its like a badge you have to get 3 skill roles and with it you get the dev role

[young swallow]

If developer gets removed then staff of the month should be removed too

[minor crypt]

omg shut up

[young swallow]

?

[minor crypt]

you keep repeating yourself and it is genuinely getting annoying
this has nothing to do with sotm role
If you want to talk about that role make a suggestion and yap about it in your own thread

[young swallow]

No I’m not making it a suggestion

[minor crypt]

then stop yapping about a role that this suggestion has nothing to do with

[young swallow]

It does though

[minor crypt]

my suggestion has nothing to do with the sotm role

so stop mentioning it or go somewhere else

[young swallow]

I know

[minor crypt]

if you say my suggestion has nothing to do with it but you just said it does

average rsc member iq

[young swallow]

You didn’t directly mention the sotm role I did

Because it’s similar

[minor crypt]

what other role could i have been talking about

I'm gonna leave and continue doing what I was doing cause I cannot argue with you today, it gets nowhere and it feels as if I am arguing with a brick wall

[young swallow]

Lol why so harsh

[minor crypt]

because I have tried being nice but like I said, it is like a brick wall speaking to you about this, you just do not get it

and that's fine, some people just don't understand some things but there is no reason for me to continue trying to speak to you about it if you just don't understand/refuse to understand

I shouldn't waste my time

[young swallow]

Ok sorry

[tropic topaz]

agree

[grave harbor]

the problem is

[inner grotto]

** You are now Level 59! **

[grave harbor]

it literally flexes nothing

you can very well be much more experienced than someone with a dev role

in your respective skill

so it's not for skill

dev role doesn't scale with the amount of ranks you got just the level of 3

so it's not a "jack of all trades" rolr

it literally does jack shit ??

the "you have 3 ranks in rsc" role

it doesn't actually symbolize anything

with the name being especially misleading aswell

idk bro if someone was s4 and b4 but ui1 i think they'd be higher than developer 1!

roles like staff of the month symbolize which staff has the most achievements

celebrity symbolizes how famous you are

this role literally exists for the sake of it

😭😭

[minor crypt]

what i’ve been trying to say

you said it better than i did

[minor crypt]

watch maroon pull up with the “if dev role gets removed so does sotm because it causes competition!!” like he has every other time here when the dev role been brought up.

[young swallow]

If dev role gets removed so should sotm

[minor crypt]

see i knew he’d say that

maroon you don’t even qualify for dev role so what do u care

[tropic topaz]

https://tenor.com/view/sleep-gif-12944899486400191725

[agile pelican]

me personally i think that

If dev role gets removed so should sotm