💡 ## Skilled For-Hire ChannelThe marketplace department would like to implement a "skilled for ...

[modern wind]

Please discuss this idea civilly, don't forget to vote on this idea in #📝︱server-suggestions!

[candid sky]

yesh

[glossy plinth]

Agree.

[sonic goblet]

Yes

[sand stone]

@smoky oriole Seems really useless, just remove the need for a skill role on the normal channel

[smoky oriole]

no

forcing a skill rank makes the marketplace more clean

it prevents scams

[sand stone]

I don't have a skill role because I liked the look of the fire emoji next to my name more
but then i couldn't chat in #👷︱for-hire

Also theres a super easy way to prevet scams

make someone show proof the work is done before paying

[smoky oriole]

the skill role is meant to represent the level of skill

for the marketplace

[smoky oriole]

not as easy as u think

[sand stone]

Actually kinda is, that's literally how I've always done commissions, make them show proof the work is done before paying

[smoky oriole]

just cause u can do it doesnt mean others can

not everyone is as knowledgable as we are

we need to respect that

some also require upfront payment

what then?

[graceful fox]

I think implementing hiring channels like in hidden devs server would be great and more organized but would be less clean, for example:
#builder-for-hire
#modeler-for-hire

etc etc

[smoky oriole]

marketplace too small for that

[graceful fox]

true

[sand stone]

Again, you don't give the work until the user pays, you just show proof the work is done, that literally prevents scams

The user completes the work, sends pictures/videos

[smoky oriole]

devs LIKE me require upfront payment so WE dont get scammed

[sand stone]

then the other person pays

[smoky oriole]

ur saying that but then what if the developer gets timewaste scammed?

[sand stone]

Shouldn't have hired a crap developer / should've been more careful with waht you asked for

[smoky oriole]

what?

[sand stone]

wait

wdym time waste scammed

[smoky oriole]

where the developer completes work and the client blocks/ghosts payment

[sand stone]

why would the client block them before recieving the work...

[smoky oriole]

if they havent paid upfront

alot of people do

paying upfront prevents more scams but it still doesnt guarantee the no scam factor

[sand stone]

You got a point there lol

[smoky oriole]

forcing a skill role puts a barrier between fake portfolios

and also shows competence of being able to do commissions

[sand stone]

I guess that could be true, you should add featured to be able to chat in for hire though lol

[smoky oriole]

perhaps

depends how this poll goes

[sand stone]

The channel might be very unused like pro channels though

well idk tbh

[magic steppe]

Hello I see that you're very skilled🤑 Could I interest you working for my very unique game studios. The wage is %, i think 1% suits you.

[sand stone]

😭

[fleet hedge]

[sonic goblet]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1179627702223904820/1183879331571843123/caption.gif

[fleet hedge]

wait whats wrong with percentage

[sand stone]

um

..

[fleet hedge]

i dont know commissions and whatnot

ive never done them

[sand stone]

what happens when the game doesnt get any money

[magic steppe]

Pro ain't unused

[fleet hedge]

ooooooh

ooh

[magic steppe]

people are just too ass to be pro level

[fleet hedge]

yeah that makes sense

[sand stone]

lol

[fleet hedge]

yeah % sucks

also

icyrocks

why the fuck

are you literally everywhere

everytime i tab into a channel you are there

[sonic goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smiling-cat-grey-cat-cute-cat-gif-2949633679466643461

[fleet hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yoyo-white-cat-tiktok-silly-cat-car-gif-5886769307141897158

[sonic goblet]

hold on lemme show some of my aura

[fleet hedge]

your fucking what?

[fleet hedge]

wtf

[dreamy tinsel]

@smoky oriole if the current marketplace works already why would we bring back a non skill role role channel if you said it has a greater chance for fake portfolios

And overall scams

[smoky oriole]

because the community would get really pissy

[sonic goblet]

i cant read

[smoky oriole]

im fine for not allowing no skills in #👷︱for-hire if we implement the skilled for hire channel

[dreamy tinsel]

If you added this suggestion?

[smoky oriole]

but its how the community will react

[smoky oriole]

if i didnt allow non skill ranks back into #👷︱for-hire after adding this update since itd be a rank 1 exclusive chat

i think not all but alot of rank 1's are equally as bad

weve had the discussion where most rank 1's arent even ready for commissions

so its either we do this or we bump for hire to rank 2+

[sonic goblet]

you should make roles called low a1 mid a1 high a1

fr!

[dreamy tinsel]

It’s a marketplace though

It’s not supposed to be all professionals

[smoky oriole]

but its also how much can we prevent scams

all other servers do this

why is it only being an issue for this server?

[dreamy tinsel]

Having rank 1s already prevents alot of scams you said

[dreamy tinsel]

What servers

[smoky oriole]

i feel like you guys are bouncing off the fact rsc is the only server who does this

[smoky oriole]

rodevs and hd are prime examples

[dreamy tinsel]

Explain

[smoky oriole]

i get the sense your bouncing off the fact you could use the marketplace without any skill requirement and you want it to stay that way so you have an advantage

[sonic goblet]

i need to become better rraaah im mid a1

[smoky oriole]

hd and rodevs require a skill role process before u can post

[magic steppe]

you ain't gonna hire anyone decent on discord servers

most of the mfs are straight kaka booty

[dreamy tinsel]

This isn’t about the entire marketplace

It’s just the for hire channel

[smoky oriole]

because hiring is a different story

[dreamy tinsel]

Which already has a skill requirement no?

[smoky oriole]

yes for rank 1

theres been a discussion where rank 1's arent fully ready for commission taking

so its either this or for hire gets bumped to rank 2+

[dreamy tinsel]

Ranks don’t define how ready a person is for commissions, just how good they are at a skill

[smoky oriole]

You just contradicted yourself

[dreamy tinsel]

Wdym)

[smoky oriole]

To prove how good they are at their skill. Rank 1's are the bases, theyre learners. So yes skill defines if a person is ready for commissions???

If your bad at the skill your not ready for commissions as you wont do them to standard

[dreamy tinsel]

A person can learn everything about a skill and master everything without doing a single exchange

[smoky oriole]

how does that come into this?

ur yapping about random shit rn

[dreamy tinsel]

Bit rude for a sr mod

[smoky oriole]

im busy i dont have time to deal with people who dont even understand the topic at hand

[smoky oriole]

not really

im busy and your disregarding everything i say

your disrespectful

therefore im ending this conversation

[dreamy tinsel]

How am I being disrespectful?

[smoky oriole]

Goodbye scenic

[sonic goblet]

🥶

[dreamy tinsel]

Yo im tryna like

actually talk to someone

[craggy scarab]

also like

up the minimum price

[sonic goblet]

yeah

[craggy scarab]

no rank 2 or over should be getting paid 500 robux

[dreamy tinsel]

I’m confused what channel will this rule be applied to

You decide your own prices in #👷︱for-hire

@craggy scarab @smoky oriole I think a skilled for hire channel shouldn’t be based off skill roles but off the merit system

Wouldn’t it make more sense for the people with many previous successful commissions to use it? Your goal is to prevent scams right?

[craggy scarab]

skill roles are for who can get hired

[dreamy tinsel]

Wdym?

[craggy scarab]

would be weird to require the hirers to be the ones with the skills ??

[dreamy tinsel]

Isn’t this thread about #👷︱for-hire though?

The channel locked to skill roles only?

[craggy scarab]

then what's the point

why would you expect the one hiring you to have a skill role

that's like expecting your boss to be good at the job he's hiring you for

[dreamy tinsel]

You can get merit for being hired too

#👷︱for-hire requiring merit over skill roles is better because it’s safer to allow someone with multiple successful commissions (merit) to post over a guy with a rank

With the current system it’s based off assumptions that the guy with the level 2+ role has good experience with commissioning and can be trusted using the marketplace

[sonic goblet]

only way to get a purple role is from being staff and premimum rightt?

[dreamy tinsel]

I guess

[sonic goblet]

oh yeah and clothing

💔

why animators get green

[lethal plank]

Who pinged me

[lethal plank]

It depends on the dev

Id rather % than 1,000$ in some scenarios

I read some of the thingy

And its beyond stupid

Rsc’s marketplace is ass. Yall need a bot to post ads in the marketplace and stuff. Like RoDevs and HD.

[lethal plank]

Yeah

[dreamy tinsel]

@smoky oriole

[smoky oriole]

no

[sinful crane]

i agree with this suggestion and stuff

[graceful fox]

Strongly against this suggestion, @smoky oriole.
The fact that #👷︱for-hire is restricted to at least level 1 of any skill ensures that the people you hire truly have the skill they claim to have and have gone through the process to prove it. This suggestion just abolishes that, even if there would be a skilled for hire section as a counterpart.

[graceful fox]

they used to have that but got rid of it for some reason

[smoky oriole]

a lot of people want it

and again

[graceful fox]

I wonder how many of them don't have skill roles.

[graceful fox]

That's EXACTLY why I'm against this suggestion.

[smoky oriole]

most if not all have a skill role

[graceful fox]

No one - and I mean no one - without a skill role should be allowed to put themselves up for hire.

[lethal plank]

ah having a skill and being good at it are 2 different things tbh

either way idrc since the marketplace is ass

I wont even bother getting G3

😭

[graceful fox]

the minimum post requirement should be 1k robux / $5 tbf (for hiring)

[lethal plank]

1.5K / 5$ and yeah

they shouldnt give any access to tier 1s tho

[graceful fox]

i only read hiddendevs if im looking for jobs

lol

[lethal plank]

u hire a tier 1 modeler

guess what

they make the model

and cant import it

;-;

[graceful fox]

lol

[lethal plank]

they merge everything together

so when u send the file to another modeler

he says "this is impossible to import" 😭

[graceful fox]

i think rsc should use hiddendevs standards for the marketplace

[lethal plank]

yeah

I agree

[graceful fox]

to make the prices at least somewhat tolerable

cuz the average job offer here is just beer money if not outright slave labor

[lethal plank]

not even beer money bro

😭

[graceful fox]

lol

[lethal plank]

speaking of beer

now I want a beer

[graceful fox]

dms

[lethal plank]

mhm

[lethal plank]

joey

it doesnt matter what they do as long as its still ass

this marketplace is ass

not a single person whos above tier 2 is using it, and not all tier 2 devs are using it 😭

[sinful crane]

still an improvement

[dreamy tinsel]

Why

[smoky oriole]

nobody likes merit

[dreamy tinsel]

That’s just not true

It’s only abandoned right now

Why not make it a feature

[dreamy tinsel]

^

[graceful fox]

you locked for hire to lvl1 of any skill

now you want to unlock it for everyone (even if we're getting a lv1 or lv2 locked "skilled" for hire)

why, mind i ask

[dreamy tinsel]

Exactly that contradicts the original idea of a safer marketplace

[graceful fox]

and that's not even the reason im downvoting, im downvoting cuz i dont want the change to be undone in the first place

the contradictory nature is a bonus tho

[dreamy tinsel]

that's another reason why it should be based off of merit

[sand stone]

Well you can't get commissions if you don't have merit then

[dreamy tinsel]

It shouldn't be a requirement for the current #👷︱for-hire but it should be a requirement for the proposed skilled channel

The regular #👷︱for-hire should stay with the rank1+ rule, after you get enough merit recognitions you'll have access to use both with or without a skill role

[sand stone]

I think there should just be the level 5+ requirement but idk

I can't hire people because I don't have a skill role

But i just liek the look of featured more

so I didn't get one

[dreamy tinsel]

That's for #💵︱hiring though

that doesn't have any requirements

[fast tartan]

@smoky oriole you win

[smoky oriole]

😇

[dreamy tinsel]

half the people that voted for it are mods

💔

[graceful fox]

looks like we can kiss the integrity of the marketplace goodbye

[sinful crane]

?

[graceful fox]

#👷︱for-hire is gonna be open for everyone again

whereas the skill requirement that used to be in place will now only affect #👷︱skilled-for-hire

[sinful crane]

nice

[graceful fox]

NOT nice. altho im first

[dreamy tinsel]

her whole thing was about preventing scams from happening

wouldn't allowing everyone to post reverse that now

[graceful fox]

exactly

wtf

only good thing that came out of this was that im the first worker to post in the new channel

[dreamy tinsel]

that's just common sense

[deft ore]

man new management has gone crazy

this will stop every new members marketplace commissions without a skill role

and we know a good % of members is just people without a skill role only here for marketplace

this will not only negatively impact the earnings of people with no skill roles this also makes for another requirement over the onyl requirement of level 5 for marketplace

and we know much pain in the ass level 5 can be for new members

and adding another methord will do nothing but will force members out

i know the old for hire will exist but it will become useless as now there is hierarchy in for hire too

this is a very fucking shit idea

and if the idea is for a "safer" for hire then there is a reason the merit system was made

[lethal plank]

tf is a merit 😭

[lethal plank]

fr

a bunch of beginners js spamming 😭

like who tf goes and says "o m g, I would LOVE to hire a TIER 1 dev so he can fuck up my game"

[magic steppe]

Either way hiring is cheeks

"yes pls work for % my super unique jjba game"

[dreamy tinsel]

Exactlyyyy

[graceful fox]

lmao

[deft ore]

why make a bad thing worse

keep the if it aint broken dont fix it mentality

maybe what management should do is to get opinions from community members with actually rational and logical thinking earlier instead of just making the decission to implement useless shit

[magic steppe]

it aint worse

less flooded with shitty people for hire

open 1 channel filled with actually good people

person happy

meanwhile open normal hiring

full of skids

person sad

[deft ore]

creates nothing but less traffic to new members nothing else

and will discourage engagement for members who only come here for marketplace and not getting skilll roles

level 5 for marketplace is already a big pain in ass for new members

[magic steppe]

??

the old channel is still there

hidden devs has the same shit

gotta have a skill role to post

What are you on about bri

bro

If you really want to get hired then just reach out

or not

if you're good enough people will come to you

[deft ore]

not gonna mention how nicely HD staff is structured not just staff members doing random shit its a very systematic place. i have talked to solo (owner of hd) and hd's admins before they told me how their structured work and i can confirm they are way ahed than this community. mods in this server ban new members when their ego hurts for no reason.

comparing rsc to hd is the most stupid comparsion ever

[magic steppe]

not really

hd is pretty ass

[deft ore]

you will be shocked how good their staff system is

this community runs on emotions
that community runs with proper management

[magic steppe]

i don't really care about the staff

i got stuff to do rather than spending my whole day typing messages in a discord server

Haven't really encountered any issues either

[deft ore]

rsc putting more pressure over staff's head is not a good thing
its a very common issue, i have known a lot of staff members throughout the years who always had problem in this communities' way of workings

its just that people will mention bad things after they leave and not during

staff in this community cannot handle more traffic in form of tickers or applications

[magic steppe]

meh

[dreamy tinsel]

Frl

this idea was lead by a 14 year old

[dreamy tinsel]

Couldn’t have said it better

[deft ore]

i was one of the main reason feedback group (my special role) was made by trix its unfortunate the staff dont want to keep it alive as most of the shit decissions got rejected by feedbackers

[smoky oriole]

huh

this suggestion is reverting what your complaining about

reverting

we currently lock level 5 in #👷︱for-hire and only allow skill roles to chat there. with this update it reverts what u complain about and allows level 5+ in that channel

[deft ore]

you did not understand anything i said

but ok

[dreamy tinsel]

lol

[graceful fox]

exactly. now normal for hire is open to everyone again, integrity of the marketplace = ruined

[graceful fox]

but i could

[deft ore]

im convinced this server is run by literal rocks

[graceful fox]

🔥

[dreamy tinsel]

It is

[magic steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-eyeofrah-eye-of-rah-gif-9337038677048830451

[fleet hedge]

damn bro it actually got added

nice

[magic steppe]

why the +5 thing