💡 I'm not really into GUIs but I know that you need to script to be GUI2+. In my opinion this is ...

[soft shuttle]

Please discuss this idea civilly, don't forget to vote on this idea in #📝︱server-suggestions!

[nova coral]

yes pls

[upbeat finch]

if you don't script the gui it's not really a roblox gui, just some images. I kinda feel like higher modeling should require making it fully functional in roblox, too

[wide vector]

its rlly not that hard to learn the gui scripting basics

[austere arch]

if you dont script your gui is just a 2d art

[sudden sluice]

Bruh

That's stupid

I know how to script ofc

But why would a modeler learn scripting if they want to be a modeler

[austere arch]

because they dont have anything to script about?

but a gui maker could have abilities to code the animation for the gui etc

also gui isnt necessary a interactable image on screen it can be scripted to do different functions like for example moving the camera where the curser goes in main menu etc

if a person can do this then this shows they have ablilities to do creative thinking about how a for example main screen looks or works

i just gave an example its ofc not limited

this shows skills/creativity

[sudden sluice]

Personally I disagree with that and I think that their job is to make good looking gui, fonctional gui is for the scripters ngl

but afterall this is my opinion

you can disagree

[austere arch]

why not just mix gui with gfx when they have no difference between them if there is no scripting involved for gui

[sudden sluice]

because gfx is rendering

gui isn't

[austere arch]

uhm you actually render 2D art too 🤓 ☝️

[austere arch]

also gfx includes 2D its not just 3D

[sudden sluice]

rendering is playing with lights, character position, background scene

etc.

there's no lights in gui

[austere arch]

wrong defination

[tall breach]

stay mad u cant code

[sudden sluice]

tfym I can

what is blud yapping about

scripter yapping

[proven gyro]

So true, gui = Graphical user interface. It neednt involve coding skillls.

[supple wolf]

thats kind of the point?

its about the gui not the scripting

by this logic every single role should only ever be given to people who can also script

defeating the entire purpose of having skills for each

and in many cases the gui artist is not also the one who scripts and adds functionality to their gui

stupid

[wide vector]

theres not a possible way to make a g4 gui without knowing how to script

[supple wolf]

then is the difference say between gui3 and gui 4 (in this example you have given) just about scripting?
and therefore not a gui role at all so that is exactly the problem

[nova coral]

not quite

rendering includes lighting

also, theres a big difference in the program you use

gfx could be used in blender, maya, etc. while gui is used in a graphics design program

You could edit gfx in a similar program as gui, but its for a completely different cause

[nova coral]

very true, most stuff shouldnt be based off of scripting when thats another skill rank

Scripting includes scripting gui and doesnt include the appealing aspect of things, only the script.

[tropic urchin]

If it’s gui why need to learn another skill. With this logic m2 should require every model to be scripted in Roblox as well and that doesn’t make sense either

[wide vector]

If so then show me a g4 gui

that doesnt have scripts

[austere arch]

how the fuck do you guys expect to get the high tier skill for gui then?

by just showing 2D art images?

you get the skill based on creativity and how you implement it

a 2D image box is gui when it allows users to interact with it and perform a function

[sudden sluice]

that's the scripter job

same thing goes to models

it's either for decorations or if it's a tool to use then the scripter need to do it

[austere arch]

ok wait

@sudden sluice define GUI

[proven gyro]

Yes.

[supple wolf]

thats the point?
you cant...
and thats the issue

[sudden sluice]

2d art.

[manic pollen]

IIRC modellers do have to be able to make game ready assets but that distinction starts at m3

[austere arch]

Ig there is no point of arguing with a fool who can change defination in ignorance just to defy a point.

[sudden sluice]

If you want

You're disliking every suggestion in the server anyway

I don't want to argue with you

[manic pollen]

2D art is GFX but I still agree that for GUI1+2 there should be minimal coding involved... tbh i think thats how it currently is

[austere arch]

if there was a good one i will like it

[nova coral]

actually yes

gui is graphic user interface

doesnt say anything abt scripting

it should be about the overall design

not some implemented scripts

[nova coral]

What do we need to enforce a suggestion?

[austere arch]

whats the point of arguing two mirrors facing each other

[manic pollen]

bc when u step in between them u can understand urself better

[main sandal]

yes i agree with you, but i do think scripting gui should be able to slightly boost your chances of getting a higher rank since you can script the gui to be animated and stuff. But it should be possible (imo) to get any gui rank without scripting

[manic pollen]

You should need to be able to script GUI at UI3 and 4 for sure. Its the same for UI/UX design in realer industries, if you know how to code behind it works you understand how feasible your design is

[main sandal]

agree to disagree then ig

[dusky flume]

This is stupid

It stands for graphical user interface

How is it going to be a user interface without any functionality

[supple wolf]

oh no guys we need to rethink modelling too

[manic pollen]

it has multiple facets lol... you can show knowledge in functionality from design alone, but yes there should be scripting required

[dusky flume]

Agreed

But they’re arguing you should be able to get it without any scripting

[main sandal]

who says it needs to have a function? gui should be purely design imo, just like almost any of the other skill ranks

that's just my take

[dusky flume]

GUI has a very specific meaning and it shouldn’t be open to this much interpretation

[main sandal]

ok well its a public chat so rather you like it or not, people are free to share their opinions

[dusky flume]

There are multiple definitions of words, cherry picking data to fit your conclusion is a terrible way to make an argument

[main sandal]

i dont agree with you BUT i agree with this specific point 🗿

[main sandal]

anyways i want to point out that gui and ui are two different things (although very similar). Gui is refering to specifically the graphical element of UI which is why i feel it's more design based. And scripting definitely could help convey a feel for your gui, so i think scripting should increase your chances of like getting a high gui rank but it shouldn't be required if yk what i mean

to me though it seems like scripting is fairly complicated to learn and it definitely takes time to learn. If you were absolutely required to learn scripting to be considered a gui maker i just think that's a little dumb

[austere arch]

whats the point of arguing two mirrors facing each other

[supple wolf]

no shit

it was a joke

im just saying that using google definitions to define what a channel should be is stupid

#📜︱scripting exists so why make #📱︱gui just scripting

[dusky flume]

Why

Its the definition of the term

You'll find similar but more elaborate definitions everywhere else

because it means something very specific

not something who's meaning can be debated like this

and nobody is arguing that gui role should just be scripting

its obviously not all scripting

scripting is just part of it

[supple wolf]

on no we need to go delete all the builds without roofs and walls

[dusky flume]

thats not even a verb

[supple wolf]

stop looking at the details

[dusky flume]

no

[supple wolf]

oh no we have been getting this seriously wrong

we need to rethink a lot of things

[dusky flume]

You aren't going to find the definition you're looking for there

the building role means to build stuff in roblox studio

but its different from modeling

only because its being done within studio

you're putting blocks together rather than editing vertices and all that

[supple wolf]

ok... and that isnt the definition of the word building, so that means that this server has its own meaning for channels

which is why looking for the definition of something on google is stupid

[dusky flume]

it has its own definition for building because building specifically is roblox related

but GUI is definitely not

[supple wolf]

this a roblox server

it is most definitely roblox related as well

[dusky flume]

not in the way I mean

GUI isn't something that can only exist because of roblox studio

GUI is in roblox studio

that doesn't mean that it doesn't have a real definition used by everybody else outside of roblox studio

that sounded less coherant than I meant it to

but my point still stands

[supple wolf]

no your point is definitely sitting

[dusky flume]

okay let me say it again

Just because GUI is used within roblox studio doesn't mean we get to make our own definition for what it means

[supple wolf]

it does

[dusky flume]

why

[manic pollen]

for gui 1 and 2 sure, same way you can get modelling 1 and 2 without texturing, but 3 and 4 should have it... they tweaking

and tbh if you look at the ranker document rn thats how it is, you don't need to script/make your gui fully functional unless ur applying for GUI 3

[supple wolf]

but texturing is still modelling, scripting is a whole different skill

[fickle plover]

tbh, if you do need to scrpt for UI role, that is actually stupid, but, heres what you guys can do, if you been hired before, ask the person who hired you or scripter to script it and whatever, and then ask them to record it and give the recordings to you, just ask them that and show message proof if its needed, but if you are not getting hired, just use AI to script it, i dont know if thats even allowed, or learn scripting which is LUAU, and its pretty easy if you have a good brain in your head

UI people make UI by photoshop/figma/ect, i dont know anyone who uses blender for UI, so its 2d.. it is still user interfaces though if you are going to have to interact with it

imo, just atleast only put scripting required for 3 or 4, no need for 1-2

[azure juniper]

agree