#💡 **For better ranking/vouching for devs, we can use a variety of criteria to evaluate their skil...
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thin oxide
This is the most disgusting post I have ever read
How dare you stain my eyes with this Spy
ivory ocean
ivory ocean
I don't know how you'd track professionalism
and I'm pretty sure 80% of people here don't have it
scenic raptor
and I'm pretty sure 80% of people here don't have it
well jokes aside we can see people who have:
Openness to feedback
Collaborative behavior
and use of good practices like devs who consistently apply best practices in their development processes, such as using version control, writing tests, and documenting their work, can demonstrate professionalism
its not imporatnt to do that stuff to show professionalism but you might get what i mean
some people are devoted in what they like
and take it seriously
ivory ocean
yeah, persistence would be great, I'll upvote
scenic raptor
within the skill channels
outside skill channels it does not matter how a person acts
ivory ocean
💀
scenic raptor
I love long suggestions
why 
thin oxide
frank zealot
why <:sidevote:970109946198888468>
scenic raptor
kinda racist no cap
scenic raptor
a proper management is much more required
thin oxide
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scenic raptor
grunk shut the fuck up you go do the moderation
thin oxide
grunk shut the fuck up you go do the moderation
scenic raptor
i will comeover
thin oxide
No but seriously, I don't like the fact that people have to mentor others in order to get higher ranks
That's not a good idea
scenic raptor
fax bro
thin oxide
Professionalism doesn't impact skill level either
And unbelievable concept, knowledge and skill make you eligible for a skill rank 😱
And being engaged with the community shouldn't make you eligible for a skill rank either, because this isn't a popularity contest
scenic raptor
Professionalism doesn't impact skill level either
there should be some way to stop people fucking gatekeeping star roles
thin oxide
Spy, I'm going to be blunt, the only good thing in this list is skill making someone eligible for a skill role, which is what we have 😭
It really wouldn't, but okay
You do you riftzie
thin oxide
there should be some way to stop people fucking gatekeeping star roles
Yeah, that's an issue, but this doesn't solve that issue
What would solve that issue is an objective set of standards making someone eligible for a skill role
That would solve gatekeeping
Not turning skill roles into a popularity contest
So just because a suggestion is half decent means we should implement it and not bring forth any criticism?
Nice mindset
scenic raptor
And being engaged with the community shouldn't make you eligible for a skill ran...
You make a valid point Professionalism alone may not necessarily indicate skill level in a specific area. However in a professional setting such as a dev community, professionalism can be important aspect of contributing positively to the community It's important to note that professionalism should not be the sole criteria for ranking, but rather one part that can contribute to a skills of a user and contributions.
thin oxide
You make a valid point Professionalism alone may not necessarily indicate skill ...
I don't agree that professionalism contributes to the skill of a user
Skill contributes to the skill of a user, not attitude
Hate is a strong word, and so are assumptions
Correct
Good job Riftzie
scenic raptor
I don't agree that professionalism contributes to the skill of a user
You're right that skill is the most important factor in considering a user's ranking, and it should always be the direct focus. However, in a community like a dev community professionalism can also be a valuable part to consider.
thin oxide
Riftzie being angry because I disagree with his mindset: :🤬
thin oxide
You're right that skill is the most important factor in considering a user's ran...
I understand where you're coming from, professionalism is important, but it should not be used to determine a person's skill within a field. Should a nice scripter who is worse at scripting be put at the same level as a better scripter with a worse attitude?
Seems like you're the mad one here
scenic raptor
I understand where you're coming from, professionalism is important, but it shou...
you are right, attitude or professionalism should not be used to elevate them to a higher rank if their skills and knowledge do not warrant it but it should not be the sole factor in determining a user's rank
Their technical skills and knowledge should always be the most important aspect to ranking
if two users have similar skills but one has a better attitude or level of professionalism, that can be a tiebreaker but if one user clearly has superior skills and knowledge, they should be ranked higher regardless of their attitude or level of professionalism.
corn is not real
thin oxide
if two users have similar skills but one has a better attitude or level of profe...
But here's the thing, we only have 4 skill roles to work with
In order to introduce your idea we would need a spectrum, otherwise we would be demoting people who are clearly S2 to S1 based solely on attitude
Which I disagree with
And RSC has too many roles, which is mainly why we don't have custom roles
So that's not an option
scenic raptor
hm
well it wont take a long time to develop a committee of 5-8 people for each skill rank then right
just to prevent gatekeeping
thin oxide
What do you mean by that
scenic raptor
and large bias
thin oxide
Committee?
thin oxide
Would the committee be of star-ranks?
scenic raptor
or better idk
thin oxide
Just saying, this is how many stars we have
What's stopping these people from gatekeeping?
Also getting an active committee sorting through a shit ton of applications will be extremely difficult and is a little unrealistic
scenic raptor
hm
well there is no other way toprevent gatekeeping
¯_(ツ)_/¯
this just proves that the ranking system we have is "rigged" in a sense
there is no other way to stop it
thin oxide
this just proves that the ranking system we have is "rigged" in a sense
Of course it is
Subjective ranking systems will always have prominent bias
Which is why it should be changed to an objective model
However, setting standards for objective models is difficult
scenic raptor
Which is why it should be changed to an objective model
how will yo ass do that
thin oxide
So in reality, there is pretty much no realistic solution that can account for all skill roles
The best we can do for now is pray that people don't gate keep
scenic raptor
However, setting standards for objective models is difficult
yea that is why i made this suggestion in the first place just the only way to prevent this rigged system
thin oxide
yea that is why i made this suggestion in the first place just the only way to p...
I understand the intent, but the suggestion is not good enough to be applied
There are too many gaps
scenic raptor
there is nothing to fill and fix the gaps too
thin oxide
Yup
scenic raptor
no valid point
thus this makes this suggestion applicable in this first place
just a lot of planning
and pain
thin oxide
How about you do the planning and pain, and we'll see how it works out
Because we're not doing that 💀
scenic raptor
Because we're not doing that 💀
u sayn like i am forcing you to do it
i am saying that this suggestion can be taken in conderation in some way
thin oxide
i am saying that this suggestion can be taken in conderation in some way
I mean, I think I've explained pretty well why this suggestion wouldn't work
But I guess not then
scenic raptor
well we all are bias in some way
thin oxide
Do you suggest things and expect them not to happen if they get accepted?
So you make suggestions and expect it to happen if they get accepted?
Okay cool
We know how it affects the server, what you don't understand is that there have been no viable solutions proposed yet
Other than very vague ones
scenic raptor
I mean, I think I've explained pretty well why this suggestion wouldn't work
also neither i am
i made this damn essay just so that a part of it can be taken in consideration at least
i fucking know that we cant track each users "professionalism" in a server with 40k+ members
thin oxide
So I'm glad we've established your hypocrisy
Already explained that it's unrealistic and doesn't eliminate bias in any way..
Gathering an objective and active group of skilled developers to vote on creations and applications probably won't happen
scenic raptor
ig a board is made to eliminate bias in some way right
thin oxide
ig a board is made to eliminate bias in some way right
How though..
A board wouldn't eliminate bias, because if 2/3 of the board are biased then the final decision is also biased
scenic raptor
each decission humans make is bias at some extent
scenic raptor
fair members can only be gathered with the trust of long ran members of the community and still are willing to contribute
thin oxide
Making a google form..
thin oxide
fair members can only be gathered with the trust of long ran members of the comm...
Exactly, but where would we get those
They need to be skilled AND long-time members, AND active AND trustworthy
3 of the moderators from that batch failed their trial period..
scenic raptor
Exactly, but where would we get those
this can only be gathered by the intels of people who are usually active within the boundaries of skill channels
thin oxide
Another one should've failed but was acccepted anyways
Making an application really doesn't fix the problems