Photography

[tepid spire]

You can still get some awesome photos with your current gear

For now, you should look at intervalometers

Or Remote shutters

This is what i used in my beginnings. Its a small controller you can plug in to your camera, and it automatically takes the photos, continuously

Some new cameras also have that feature, built in of course

[jagged lake]

I forgot my tripod aaaaaah

[verbal laurel]

Sad beano

[jagged lake]

V sad

[feral vector]

@jagged lake i've moved from analog photo to buying analog music

I don't even have a way to play them yet

[jagged lake]

Records?

[feral vector]

yes

[jagged lake]

I don’t need to buy any 😀

I listen to old people music mostly and all that was already purchased by family

Not MINE tho

[feral vector]

my partner has a collection but her player broke a few years ago so i figured i can pick myself up a few and it would convince me to buy her a new player

[jagged lake]

Mhm

[feral vector]

i feel like I should do some research

but I also wanna buy a sony unit

and sony only sells one new model so it would be easy to just buy that

[feral vector]

my dad has a bunch of old person music on vinyl that hasn't been touched in probably 30 years

no idea what he's got

[jagged lake]

Yeah my grandpas got some really old stuff

Some signed too which is neat

Also not really much idea of what

But there’s hundreds of records and cassettes and cds

[limber tartan]

Walmart :3

Their record players are pretty decent tbh

Me and the wife have one from walmart and its held up surprisingly well

[feral vector]

I'd rather not

[limber tartan]

Why? Lmao

[feral vector]

I don't shop at walmart

[limber tartan]

They arent bad quality. And the price is pretty decent for what it is tbh

Oh

Uhhhh

Hmmmm

Amazon then?

😂

[feral vector]

i mean
I understand how to exchange money for goods

that isn't a question

the question is what player to get

[limber tartan]

Hmmmmmm

[feral vector]

aka i need to research

[limber tartan]

Yes probably a good idea

Because i have no clue 😂

[verbal laurel]

Aaaa

I keep losing star color

But I got some meteors

[jagged lake]

I am scared

Xray

Film

no flying but security

I haven’t taken it through yet and I won’t if it’s a serious thing

But AAAA I want to take pictures

@feral vector sorry to ping but would this be ok?

FWIW it’s 200 ISO

[feral vector]

probably? I sent my film through the newer CT style machines and it turned out mostly fine (lower sensativity was minimally of unaffected)

Ask if they can hand check film. But if you send it through once it's probably not the end of the world

[verbal laurel]

yeap

[jagged lake]

Alright thanks

Yeah it’d only go through once

And I may not even bring slr

Just disposable

Maybe

Ok it looks like 200 is fine

Editable at the very least

[verbal laurel]

bro

if you want to take pictures

just do it

the day i was without my cameras

was the day i saw much more stuff i wanted to photograph

[jagged lake]

for reallll

But security so hassle sometimes

[verbal laurel]

well

cant you buy the filters where you going ?

[jagged lake]

it’s not the filters, I just use basic UV

and I’m already there and there’s not a photo shop

I’m most worried about xray film but it seems probably fine

Especially on unshot film

[verbal laurel]

aa

films

sorry

and or im seeing aliens or my lenses are dirt

[verbal laurel]

got some really nice stars

and probably some star link satelite

[jagged lake]

I’m probably gonna buy a DSLR soon™️

Film is so expensive

[jagged lake]

I might have lost a roll

I’m not sure

I don’t THINK I did

But maybe

[jagged lake]

They did hand check indeed :D

Mmm yay camera

[verbal laurel]

Go miroless

Nikon have some cheap entry level

[jagged lake]

So spensive

[verbal laurel]

Nice

[jagged lake]

Even entry $500

[verbal laurel]

Uhm

Than nikon dslr

Are really good

And you can get some tank cameras for nice price

The d5000 series is a good start

Hey is someone from France around ?

Or Europe

Knows a camera store other than Amazon that delivers in France ?

[jagged lake]

I’m in US btw

I have local pc/tech/camera stores thankfully

[feral vector]

Gotta go used dslrs

[jagged lake]

Likely will

Unless a decent new one is a good price

[feral vector]

You will get better deals on old bodies and lenses

Of course, advantage of a mirrorless body is you can use new mirrorless lenses or adapt (D)SLR lenses

And mirrorless will be lighter, better AF, better video

But if the primary objective is stills, later DSLRs still take fantastic images

[jagged lake]

Yeah photo only

[ember plaza]

also that you wouldn't be investing in a dying line of glass

and that the glass you bought will likely depreciate a lot

[feral vector]

There's tons of good glass for Nikon and canon dslrs that can be had for great prices these days

[ember plaza]

yeah yeah that's where the adapter comes in

otherwise dslr and dslr glass isnt a good long term investmt

[feral vector]

I suppose

Some people have been using the same lenses for the better part of 20 years

But it really depends on Beano's budget

[ember plaza]

what i mean is once you have the money for mirrorless glass you can upgrade. because mirrorless glass will always be superior

[feral vector]

If it's closer to $1000 than $500, definitely look into the used mirrorless territory

[ember plaza]

ehh a canon R6 is getting cheap now

[feral vector]

A lot of canon dslr glass gets a performance upgrade on mirrorless systems

[feral vector]

Define cheap

I know mpb isn't gonna have the same deals as marketplace or Craigslist, but R6 is like $1500

R5 is still ~$2500 😭

[ember plaza]

yeah you're right

R10 would be a good choice

but a 90 isnt really cheaper either

and you lose quite a bit of "modern" features

[feral vector]

I would get full frame for used dslrs, personally

i know nothing about nikon z system, but I think I saw a Z50 or something in the $600 range

[ember plaza]

i would never as a first camera

[feral vector]

bigger sensor = more betterer

[ember plaza]

glass is just too expensive even if the body is cheap

and glass range too

[ember plaza]

yes but no, plus 12-18mpix APSC is enough

[feral vector]

https://www.mpb.com/en-us/product/nikon-z50?page=2
i know nothing about this but the price seems aight

[ember plaza]

prolly equiv to the M50 tbh

[feral vector]

eos m50?

[ember plaza]

id go for the r10 or R50 personally

[ember plaza]

yez

[feral vector]

really depends on @jagged lake budget

[jagged lake]

Idrc about that. Up to this point I’ve bought stuff that’s been discontinued since the 90s

SLR lenses

The body, 50mm, and 70-200mm were free so ofc I’m saving money!!!!

AAAAAAH

[jagged lake]

I mean I can spend a lot but I’m only a beginner so I’d rather not do a ton

[jagged lake]

Not spending $500-$800 on just a body rn

[jagged lake]

What are great prices to you? I just got a 28mm for $10. My telephoto was like $40. 70mm zoom $60

[icy river]

My dad has a few DSLRs, one of them being the Nikon D750.

What DSLRs would people recommend for using as a webcam along with taking general photos?

[ember plaza]

None, you risk damaging your sensor because a dslr isn’t meant for long videos

And if you don’t have any of those youll need a capture card

[ember plaza]

What body tho

[jagged lake]

minolta x-370

Midrange SLR from 1984

[ember plaza]

If you’d like to learn on an slr sure, but it’s gonna be a mountain of a learning curve

Without mentioning needing to wait to know your results

[ember plaza]

If you don’t care about that, my first camera was a 60D, it’s old but it works, and you can find any lens you want

I’d recommend MPB, it’s nice to actually see the product you buy and to know pros tested it beforehand

Basically canon lineup is X000, cheapest, X00, more premium, X0, best APSC and X is the full frame lineup

The first number kinda indicates generation, so you could get the 70 or 80D that are newer

[jagged lake]

It certainly is

But it’s fun

And this is COOL

I’d love to have full frame digital but that’s $$$$$

[feral vector]

Your slr lenses are easily adapted to modern mirrorless bodies

[jagged lake]

Oh?

[feral vector]

Yes

You obviously won't get modern benefits such as autofocus

[jagged lake]

AF also seems cool tho, these are entirely manual. Fun, but hard

Camera just does auto shutter speed, I believe it does auto aperture but I’m not sure and haven’t messed with it

[ember plaza]

I don’t think you understand the pain of not seeing your pics directly can be, it’s fun but only if you know your way

[jagged lake]

Oh i certainly know the pain

not gonna see some of these for nearly a month

[feral vector]

Rip

[ember plaza]

I think it’s gonna be cheaper to just get a digital body but you do you

[feral vector]

Digital is cheaper in the long run

And has more certainty

[jagged lake]

100%

That’s a HUGE reason I want dslr

Cost per shot goes down, not up

[feral vector]

Analog is fun but you can't always guarantee you get the shot

[jagged lake]

I got some good ones today tho I believe

[feral vector]

Dirt is right, mirrorless is the future

[jagged lake]

I figured both were present and mirrorless was just fancier- that mirrorless wouldn’t replace dslr

[feral vector]

If you can expand your budget to closer to $1000, you can get a mirrorless body and a Minolta MD adapter and start with your old lenses

[feral vector]

Nobody is making new DSLRs (except Pentax sort of)

[jagged lake]

Oh wow!

Did NOT know that!

[ember plaza]

It just has way more failure points

A dslr’s life is probably limited to 120k shots while mirrorless could get you 500k+++

[feral vector]

More failure points is a strong word

[jagged lake]

I mean

A physically moving mirror

[feral vector]

People use canon dslrs up to like a million shots

[jagged lake]

Huge part

Maybe $800ish is what I’m looking for max

for body and a lens or few

[feral vector]

The manufacturer rating is "we basically guarantee every unit will hit this number of frames without failure" kind of number

It's a conservative CYA rating

But yes, moving mirror is a failure point

And buying a heavily used dslr is a gamble

Mirrorless is safer

[ember plaza]

Yeah, reminds me of probability problems with hard drives

[feral vector]

I'd argue you can start with a body, maybe a 50mm AF lens, and get an adapter for your old glass

[ember plaza]

they have to take the lower 10% as the limit, so 90% will fail after that limit

[feral vector]

I'm sure lower end bodies have failure points closer to the manufacturer specifications

But professional tier like the 1DX and 5D can go well past what canon lists them as

[ember plaza]

Also replacing a mirror is kind of a common practice

[jagged lake]

Mmmm ok

[jagged lake]

Alright

[ember plaza]

I wouldn’t go over 70k personally

[jagged lake]

Would be unsure of number

Unless there’s an “odometer”

[feral vector]

MPB for example lists shutter count

[ember plaza]

There is, it’s harder to know on dslrs

[feral vector]

At least on canon dslrs models I've shipped for

Idk if people can reset or fudge the shutter count

[ember plaza]

Nope

[jagged lake]

macprobook

[feral vector]

For most units they list it

No idea what mpb stands for

[jagged lake]

lol $10

[feral vector]

But it's where I've been looking for used cameras

Mainly because they photograph and list specs of each individual item

[jagged lake]

Also- photography is side hobby still. PC main hobby. Don’t want to go broke with photos

[jagged lake]

Is that a local store or something

[feral vector]

Website

[jagged lake]

So shipped

Gotcha

[ember plaza]

Yeah but they have a very good service

And a “warranty”

[ember plaza]

Well it’s expensive, you can’t get around that

[jagged lake]

Yeah but I can lessen it

I don’t need professional stuff. I want better-than-phone.

[ember plaza]

What brand you wanna go for

Nikon or canon

[jagged lake]

No idea

[feral vector]

You could get like a 70D for $300

[jagged lake]

I know, real helpful

[ember plaza]

Yeah 70D with good lenses

I used to own the 18-35, which is eq to 24-70

[feral vector]

EF-S is gonna be cheap

[jagged lake]

Full frame keeps them the same?

[feral vector]

Yes

[jagged lake]

Same as 35mm?

[feral vector]

Aps-c is like a 1.6x factor?

[jagged lake]

Ok

I’d like to not have that I think

[feral vector]

Yep
Full frame digital is the same size as a 35mm standard exposure

[jagged lake]

Full frame is probably what I want depends on price

[feral vector]

Full frame is gonna be more expensive

And you have to use full frame glass (also more expensive)

[jagged lake]

A7 Iv only $2300 body only :)

lol no

[feral vector]

Aps-c bodies take crop and FF glass

[jagged lake]

Mhm

[feral vector]

I am going to buy FF eventually because I am stupid

Also I'm not a big fan of the aps-c cameras I have used

Although I think the a6400 is particularly bad with software so there's that

But I'm already buying full frame EF glass for my SLR, so may as well stick to FF EF bodies

Unless I can find a used canon R5 for under $1500

[jagged lake]

How are these?

[feral vector]

Microcenter?

[feral vector]

@ember plaza doesn't seem terrible for the R50 kit?

[jagged lake]

Yes

Because ✨ discount✨

[feral vector]

So it's even cheaper than those prices for you?

[jagged lake]

Yes but unsure how much

Cost + 5% so it’s wildly variable

[feral vector]

Look up some reviews of R50 but honestly that's not too bsd

[jagged lake]

T7 is under $400

[feral vector]

Also a Minolta adapter is like $30

[jagged lake]

I know that

[feral vector]

Because you're adapter manual glass*

Not much needs to go into it

[jagged lake]

R50 still apsc?

[feral vector]

Yes

In canon land, Single digit is FF (not always), double digit is APSC

[jagged lake]

Mhm ok

[feral vector]

EOS R7 is APSC

And the old 1D were aps-h

[jagged lake]

T7 apsc?

[feral vector]

Rebels are apsc

*except analog rebels

Which are FF

I'd save up for the R50 personally

Like Beano, if you can pick up an extra shift or two to make up the difference, it's worth

I would skip the content creator kits

[jagged lake]

I can afford, it’s a matter of WANTING to spend that much

I have the funds

[feral vector]

What's the return policy

[jagged lake]

At mc since I’m employee it’s iffy

[feral vector]

On new items?

[jagged lake]

I could probably do it tho

Yes

[feral vector]

What's the return policy for plebs

[jagged lake]

Anything rlly

30day

Not broken

That’s it

[feral vector]

Do cameras have a restocking fee

[jagged lake]

Nothing does

[feral vector]

I'd look at some reviews, but R50 is probably the starting point

And again, it will allow you to use your Minolta lenses

Plus

Your telephotos are mulitplied

So even better for wildlife

(just have to deal with manual focus tho)

Also I'm guessing that sale price will probably be back

So don't feel compelled to get it immediately

[jagged lake]

Good point

I didn’t think of that

Was worried about the wides

Like my 28

[jagged lake]

I already do

[feral vector]

Alternatively, APSC is bad if you wanna take stupid wide shots

28 becomes 40?

[jagged lake]

Not stupid wide, also I can stitch

[feral vector]

40ish

[jagged lake]

I’d need a new wide lens

[feral vector]

Eh

[jagged lake]

I kinda want a 14 lol

[feral vector]

The kit lens is 28-70 equivalent

But yeah you can get a proper super wide lens

[jagged lake]

pancake or fisheye is fun

[feral vector]

Does MC sell any without kit lenses

[jagged lake]

?

[feral vector]

Pancake is just a thin lens

[jagged lake]

Just lenses?

[feral vector]

Just bodies

[jagged lake]

oh ok

[feral vector]

Although kit lens is probably a good value for starting out

[jagged lake]

https://www.microcenter.com/category/4294966816/digital-slr-cameras

High end yes

[feral vector]

I'd probably stick to the basic R50 kit

You could save a little buying it used

But you also get the kit and fill warranty and mc return period and your discount

And you get an AF lens to use immediately

[ember plaza]

Oh you haven’t seen my a7r5 yet

[feral vector]

Gib

[ember plaza]

Bigger sensor means you need more glass, that is more complicated and heavy

[feral vector]

We need more megapixels for scanning 120 and 4x5 film

[ember plaza]

All the 240mp of the tilt shift

[feral vector]

What do you think of the R50 kit he listed

[ember plaza]

Yeah it’s not bad actually

Just have to know the limitations of entry level cameras

[feral vector]

I don't think it's too bad

[jagged lake]

Ok I might

I’ll talk to the camera geeks when I go get stuff devd

[feral vector]

They have an r100 but my understanding that's proper entry level

[ember plaza]

@jagged lake https://versus.com/en/canon-eos-r10-vs-canon-eos-r50

[jagged lake]

Nope

[ember plaza]

I usually don’t like this site but it’s interesting for cameras

[jagged lake]

TILT SHIFT

GIIIIMMMEEEEE

https://tenor.com/view/oktoberfest-ozapftis-bayern-münchen-munich-gif-23093682

[ember plaza]

I don’t have a newer pic but imagine the R5 on the second pic

[jagged lake]

Can’t be heavier than an overloaded SLR camera bag 😀

[ember plaza]

Not tilt shift sorry @feral vector, PIXEL SHIFT

I forgot the word

[jagged lake]

Aaaa

[ember plaza]

Yeah but it’s more the price that’s a problem, DSLR FF lenses are 700+ each and mirrorless 1000+, with zooms reaching in the 2000s

[jagged lake]

Eek!

I like my $60 max lenses!!!

[ember plaza]

Glass is expensive

[jagged lake]

Old is cheap

No degradation minus dirt

[ember plaza]

Why me

[ember plaza]

@feral vector don’t you have pixel shift on the A7IV ?

[ember plaza]

Well yeah it’s essentially just glass, no electronics or stabilization

[jagged lake]

Exactly

[ember plaza]

You could shoot with old stuff, but remember that those lenses were made for film, not ultra sharp sensors like today’s

And it’s a pain to use for anything that’s moving obv

[jagged lake]

I won’t get rid of the Minolta

Technically not mine anyway

[ember plaza]

Yeah don’t get rid of it, I’d go back to it once you took some photography level and feel confident in your shots

Before having to manage all the extra inconveniences from film

[jagged lake]

Well

I’d still use it

Not even take a break

Just use it less

Save money

[feral vector]

1.2 newer USB version

[feral vector]

Idk, it's not my camera

[ember plaza]

yes

[verbal laurel]

are you from france ?

[jagged lake]

Who does that much anyway

[feral vector]

bruh

over the lifetime of a camera body that isn't that much

you'd be suprised what you can shoot in a day on digital

[jagged lake]

Idk

[verbal laurel]

i think i found a dead pixel

on my camera

https://tenor.com/rhfEofQwZau.gif

[jagged lake]

Where

[icy river]

Where in the pic is your apparent dead pixel?

[jagged lake]

Maybe it’s the red

In which case

Stick to astrophotography

[ember plaza]

Ew no im Belgian

[ember plaza]

If you did astrophoto, it can be a hot pixel and it’s normal, it can be cleaned up easily tho

[jagged lake]

camera confused me yesterday

went to #37

probably messed something up loading it

or Kodak loaded another frame by accident

Also got a couple before 1

It’s like S, •, 1

[feral vector]

You can sometimes get 37 or even 38 frames

My camera only lets me get 36 because it's auto loading

[jagged lake]

Cool nice :)

Didn’t know that

[feral vector]

One of the downsides of automatic cameras lol

[feral vector]

yep. 38 is usually the limit, but i'd bet you can probably get 37 out of most rolls

[fleet fractal]

Military memorial

[deft garden]

@verbal laurel Ordered the z 180-600mm lens.

[verbal laurel]

Ohhhh

[verbal laurel]

Yeap

[jagged lake]

Stick to astro then, lol

Is a red star

[verbal laurel]

xD

The problem I noticed it

When astrophotography

[verbal laurel]

Give to mee

Where did you found it ? Or is the wait list from b&h?

[deft garden]

Waitlist Adorama. Wife did it for Fathers day.

[verbal laurel]

Marry her

Oh wait

[elder ingot]

He already did that

[verbal laurel]

:kek:

Is just sad that nikon can't keep up with the 180-600

Demand

And why the prices in Europe are almost 400 more than US

[verbal laurel]

Let's hope for that

[ember plaza]

It just be like that man

[ember plaza]

Are you doing animal photography now ?!

[verbal laurel]

:/ I was think in buying in Europe, but that 400 more makes de price get too much closer to Brazil price

[deft garden]

Ive always done animals, but yeah. Trying to get birds and im also planning Blue Angels air show end of September.

[verbal laurel]

Should try some moon photos

[deft garden]

200mm VERY cropped from 45mp down to like 11 IIRC.

[jagged lake]

Making me want your camera

I need big zoomy

I like birds.

[deft garden]

bird mode on the Nikon Z8 is just insane.

[jagged lake]

“bird mode” LOL

Is that an actual term?

I love it

[deft garden]

well, Bird Auto Focus.

It does people, "Animal" for Cats and dogs, Birds, Cars and Planes.

[verbal laurel]

😍

[jagged lake]

Ah ok

[verbal laurel]

Nikon could do as Sony does

And make a app

So we can use smartphones

As monitor on usb

[deft garden]

It does a great job finding the birds eye.

[jagged lake]

Wowww

And I have manual focus lol

300mm is nice tho

[deft garden]

I cant wait for this 600mm to arrive. 400 more mm to play with.

[jagged lake]

Oh you only have 200 rn?

[verbal laurel]

600 mm works on portraits too

Hey CK, do you know what brands are doing lenses for the Z mount ?

[deft garden]

Yeah 70-200mm. I ordered the 180-600mm but it’s back ordered. Estimated a few weeks but we will see.

[deft garden]

I think sigma is authorized now but only does DX models.

[verbal laurel]

Uhmm

[deft garden]

It’s rumored that tamron does a few of the z lenses but Nikon branded. A lot of the non-s ones like 24-70

[verbal laurel]

Well, tamron have a z mount lens

So would not be weird

The problem with Z mount still the price

[deft garden]

Yeah. It’s still new and so much better than F mount. Probably also why people love the 180-600 so much. Great range for the price and awesome quality.

[jagged lake]

What camera body CK

[ember plaza]

I even have train mode 🙂‍↕️

[jagged lake]

Woah cool

[deft garden]

Nikon Z8

[ember plaza]

I also got transformer mode

[elder ingot]

I've been looking into cheap either SLR or DSLR cameras

[ember plaza]

I thought you didn’t have any money left after that distro block

[elder ingot]

For the future smh

[ember plaza]

Well photography is a bottomless money pit, but if you want that sure !

[deft garden]

This is true. “And a new lens was released” damn it…

[jagged lake]

Hahaaaaaa I don’t have THAT problem!

[deft garden]

ND filter. Polarizer. Plenty of other shit.

[feral vector]

Digital is cheaper over time

I can't wholeheartedly recommend analog unless you have a local lab with reasonable pricing

[jagged lake]

I have spent soooo much

even though “it was free”

aaaa

[feral vector]

I've seen what some people spend per roll for development and scanning and it's way too much

ends up being like $30 a roll some places

[jagged lake]

What is reasonable pricing

[feral vector]

$4.50/roll for color film processing is my local lab

[jagged lake]

I pay like $8-$9 to buy the roll, $8.99 for dev, $6.99 for scan (may be other way around)

[feral vector]

and we scan at home

[jagged lake]

it seems like a lot

I should home scan but idk how

[feral vector]

You would need a camera

[jagged lake]

Seems easier than home dev

[feral vector]

or desktop scanner

[jagged lake]

Aaaaa

[feral vector]

You could get like a 90's era film scanner

er

[jagged lake]

Digital is me soon

[feral vector]

i meant 2000's

for digital you also need a macro lens

[jagged lake]

how about printer scanner 💀

Guess I could try it

But also don’t you need software? Software is expensive

[feral vector]

if you get the digital body

you would probably want one of these
I cannot find on MPB rip

assuming you get APSC

It would need an adapter of course

alternatively, canon opened up RF to 3rd parties recently and a slew of RF-S lenses were announced

[ember plaza]

Fucking finally

Took them long enough

[feral vector]

@jagged lake loading, but simplified

when loading, the camera also reads the DX coded ISO on the cannister and adjusts automatically

[jagged lake]

Interesting

My cam is fully manual in that regard

[feral vector]

on the one hand, its a lot less satisfying than manual winding

on the other hand, its pretty fuck-up proof

[jagged lake]

Mhm

[elder ingot]

I see that GN coaster

[ember plaza]

GN sellout :|

Jkjk

[feral vector]

gn coaster
Ltt deskpad

https://tenor.com/view/im-playing-both-sides-both-sides-its-always-sunny-frank-retires-s10e09-gif-17913970

[verbal laurel]

it even can include PC master race

since editing programs

[verbal laurel]

as @tepid spire said once, Telescope

[ember plaza]

is that a sick fucking joke

150$ FOR FUCKING GRID LINES

AND ITS NOT EVEN A7RV COMPATIBLE

[ember plaza]

they must be self-aware right

[limber tartan]

lol

[wise patrol]

this is stunning

[proven skiff]

Just noticed there’s a photography thread 🤦

[jagged lake]

Salessss

[elder ingot]

Mart of Wal

[jagged lake]

Yes

[elder ingot]

If only I was there

Because my discount works at any Walmart

[jagged lake]

But it won’t take off sales will it

or is it per item

[elder ingot]

It works for almost anything aside from state regulated items

So yes it'll take off sales

[jagged lake]

Also what would you do with film

No camera

[elder ingot]

Idk

[jagged lake]

Or just the disposables

[tepid spire]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-caught-in4k-gif-24886448

[jagged lake]

Sony things

[ember plaza]

Sony shenanigans

[jagged lake]

Not manufacturing, or not coming out with new ones?

[feral vector]

Not releasing new ones
I think Pentax is still developing new DSLR and at least is manufacturing new units for retail.

Canon and Nikon probably manufacturer some low end models for retail (or new old stock???), but R&D is all to mirrorless mow

[jagged lake]

Ahh ok

[elder ingot]

Whoops

Wrong place

Thought this was #casual

[verbal laurel]

pay for grid lines ?

wtf

just use a pen and mark the grid lines using a ruler

Xd

[jagged lake]

put them on your filter lol

[verbal laurel]

lol

[jagged lake]

Soo

I’m hearing APSC on canon is smaller

Is that a big deal

Or no

what about resolution or PPI with it

of course it’ll likely be more than film

[feral vector]

Hm?

Aps-c is smaller than full frame

Thats what makes it cheaper

Oh
Canon's aps-c is slightly smaller than the competition

However it's not gonna make a real world difference

Nikon/Sony aps-c is 1.5x crop
Canon aps-c is 1.6x crop

[ember plaza]

Doesn’t work like that unfortunately because light bends around objects

[ember plaza]

You’d use pixel size in micrometers (μm) for that, PPI is used when you print something out, and you can print it different sizes

[ember plaza]

Also you shouldn’t really worry about that unless you are printing something out, instagram will always crush your photos to 1080p basically

[jagged lake]

I don’t even have insta

I would be printing some but usually if not always 4x6 so I assume it’s fine

[feral vector]

Aps-c sensors are still plenty big

[ember plaza]

Mate I printed a 120x90 or something with 18MP so it’s plenty fine

Only thing is noise and being able to crop, but it’s more of a convenience than a real need

[jagged lake]

Ok ty

[tall ember]

One is not like the others...

[verbal laurel]

😍

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-gif-25946339

Oh

Nice less from Ussr

[tall ember]

True, it gives amazing Bokeh shots though

[verbal laurel]

Yesterday I saw that many of this lenses was "based" on zeiss

@jagged lake nikon have some aps c miroless really cheap

[tall ember]

Yeah, not the best workmanship, so mine the diaphram sometimes would just not work. I found a spares only one on ebay and fudged the diaphram into this one an its been OK Since

[verbal laurel]

Like the z50

[jagged lake]

👀

like how cheap

[verbal laurel]

New amazon

834

But second hand I bet is cheaper

The z30

Is 696

[feral vector]

USD?

Microcenter has R50 for $650

[verbal laurel]

Yeap

But Amazon is not the best place to buy cameras

@feral vector does the R50

Changed the lens mount

From dslr ?

Cause the biggest problem with nikon Z line, still the lenses, not much 3 parts

And nikon glass still expensive

[feral vector]

Mirrorless systems all use different lens mounts

[feral vector]

Like there aren't many lenses?

Canon RF is in a similar situation

First party lens support is pretty good these days

[verbal laurel]

Yeap

Most of they are from nikon

So prices tend to be higher

[feral vector]

But a lot of users still rely on a RF to EF adapter to use older glass

[verbal laurel]

In lens part I think Sony is better

All new stuff I see laughing for the e mount :_

[feral vector]

Sony has been leading the mirrorless era
They have a far more robust lens ecosystem

[verbal laurel]

Yeap

My problem with Sony is the camera price and size

It looks like a toy

I know is not that fragile

But look nikon or canon

They cameras even miroless looks like a tank

[jagged lake]

Aaa there’s so many

Canon?

Nikon?

Sony?

[verbal laurel]

Fuji

Leica

Hasanblad ( idk how to write that )

Red

[feral vector]

Olympus and Panasonic (lumix) for micro 4/3rds

[verbal laurel]

Hehe

[jagged lake]

I don’t think I want 4/3

[verbal laurel]

Olympus and fuji also have really good cameras for the money

[jagged lake]

I think apsc at least

[feral vector]

Bruh we forgot about fuji

[jagged lake]

I love full frame but man expensive

[feral vector]

There is also fuji

[verbal laurel]

But the 3 main stream is Canon, nikon and sony

At least

[feral vector]

But I say if you buy Fuji, get medium format

[verbal laurel]

Here in the West side of earth

[jagged lake]

Medium format I’ll just use this

I think it takes 120

[verbal laurel]

I think you will need some tetanus vaccine after that

[jagged lake]

yeah LOL

It’s been sitting around for the better part of 100 years

which is just WILD

[feral vector]

I've seen less rust in a bucket of iron oxide

[jagged lake]

Though that’s not (much) rust, mostly worn leather

On the case

The frame is rusty

[verbal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

[verbal laurel]

But if you want to restore it easy

Use tomato keytechup

Ketchup *

Limon you would need to heat the parts so yeah, not good

[verbal laurel]

@feral vector nikon have adapters but the only 2 version is good

Yet, still missing a motor so could use really old lenses

And autofocus

[jagged lake]

I kinda want autofocus

But kinda love manual

[verbal laurel]

Is nice a anti vibration lens

Especially on zoom or high mm focals

[icy river]

Rest in #gaming

[verbal laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/toothless-toothless-dragon-lizard-dance-dancing-gif-18147614732076936345

[tepid spire]

https://www.skywatcherusa.com/collections/star-adventurer/products/star-adventurer-pro-pack

https://www.lightpollutionmap.info/#zoom=3.27&lat=-13.0392&lon=-54.7516&state=eyJiYXNlbWFwIjoiTGF5ZXJCaW5nUm9hZCIsIm92ZXJsYXkiOiJ3YV8yMDE1Iiwib3ZlcmxheWNvbG9yIjpmYWxzZSwib3ZlcmxheW9wYWNpdHkiOjYwLCJmZWF0dXJlc29wYWNpdHkiOjg1fQ==

[verbal laurel]

i can see many stars here in my city even with high ligh polution, i imagine how it would be without the streets lights

[feral vector]

Bug

[jagged lake]

Big Bug

[verbal laurel]

I'm scare of bugs

Time to fix the code

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-fire-flame-gif-14920648

[feral vector]

OMG
Be glad you aren't in the east USA right now

Dual cicada broods emerging right now

[verbal laurel]

Bro

I'm in Brazil

We have that probably here

And more

[verbal laurel]

But yes

I'm good here

[feral vector]

There's trillions of them

[verbal laurel]

oh no

[jagged lake]

EEEEEEEEEE

I’m not there but it’s within driving distance of me

Few hrs

[jagged lake]

hey @feral vector what resolution/mp count do you use for film scans and what would be recommended

Current shop I use does 1536x1037 which is roughly 1.6mp

Idk if it’s enough because I’m noob

[feral vector]

We use a Sony a7iv

It's like 30 or 33mp

However my roommate does want to upgrade to the R line at some point

a7r4 or a7r5

The thing is

For 35mm film

More than 30mp is basically pointless

We shoot 35mm, 120 format, and large format 4x5, which is where a higher resolution camera would be nice

For 35mm, something like the canon R50 is probably fine. You just need a decent enough quality macro lens, and a dark environment

[jagged lake]

oooh fancy pants rich McGee over here

jk

[feral vector]

@ember plaza has a much more expensive camera body

[ember plaza]

yes

i am in financial dept

[ember plaza]

tbh you could get away with 20mp, a macro lens and upscaling

upscaling became much better lately

[jagged lake]

I mean

Currently 1.5mp

[ember plaza]

you could get cheaper extension tubes if you want

[jagged lake]

Sooo

Heheh what if I use the film camera for it

[feral vector]

20mp class sensors are fine for 35mm scanning

[ember plaza]

yeah, but the macro/extension is mandatory

[feral vector]

Oh yeah you need macro

I assume macro crop lenses are cheaper but I've never looked

[ember plaza]

yeah i have the sony apsc one, light as a feater lmao because its 200 bucks

not much glass in there

[jagged lake]

My lenses are NOT light

[ember plaza]

138g lol

[ember plaza]

oh neither my zooms

heaviest lens is defenitely the noct

[jagged lake]

One or two of mine are over a pound

[ember plaza]

only 9k€ and 2kg :p

[jagged lake]

And I carry 5 lenses in the bag

[jagged lake]

Chonk

[ember plaza]

useless piece of junk

nobody needs f0.95

[verbal laurel]

Why not hasanblad with 100 mp

@feral vector

[verbal laurel]

That is beautiful nikon lens

[verbal laurel]

"I'm no rich, I'm just financially irresponsible "

[ember plaza]

Yeah the X2D is pretty good, considered switching but the lenses are too expensive

And the range of zoom lenses are even lesser on medium format

[verbal laurel]

But I mean

With a 200

On a 100 mp sensor

Just crop it to 700

You would probably be ok

[verbal laurel]

Nope, but is like a supercar, no need, but we want

[jagged lake]

Exactlyyyyy

That’s most people in this server

[feral vector]

and you're their leader

or taco is

[jagged lake]

Tacos more irresponsible

But I get more stuff

I just don’t have bills yet

[elder ingot]

[jagged lake]

Well you are…

[elder ingot]

I don't think so

[jagged lake]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-press-la-noire-gif-18717264

Watercooling with $12 in checking

Dipping into savings for food

[elder ingot]

Was $12

I now have $220

[jagged lake]

You NEED to start saving

$220 is still hardly any

[ember plaza]

welllll i use my camera for a little more than just hobby

[jagged lake]

Yeah

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/storage/msis-m2-add-in-card-looks-like-a-gpu-sports-two-hot-swap-pcie-gen-5-ssd-slots

👀

I want

[elder ingot]

And you tell me I need to save....

[jagged lake]

I said want, not need
It won’t fit in my system
I have no bills or expenses yet
I am already saving

[verbal laurel]

@deft garden saw the z6 iii ?

rumors ?

[jagged lake]

Soooo

My grandpa has an old canon dslr

I think 8MP

From some time early 2000s

I think it’s an eos of some kind

Would it be worth looking at

Or maybe a rebel

[feral vector]

They're all EOS 😂

[jagged lake]

See? I noob

[feral vector]

Electro optical system

[jagged lake]

Ohhh

[feral vector]

I think EF is electronic focus

RFis reimagined focus

RF feels like a real stretch

At least EF made sense in the 90s

[jagged lake]

But

Old dslr not worth?

[feral vector]

Yes and no

If you don't care about video, and you want full frame on a budget, there are some great EF cameras from the 2010s

But you would be buying into a dead lens ecosystem

Canon dslrs were pretty popular tho, so there are tons of used lenses on the market

But all the R&D is put into mirrorless systems

Afaik same with nikon

Tons of used and high quality DSLR lenses on the market (some is still manufactured new)

But all r&d is to mirrorless

I plan to buy a canon dslr because I am stupid

And I will eventually buy a canon R5 (mirrorless) when a used unit goes for maybe $1200?

[jagged lake]

Already doing that remember

[feral vector]

1. buying used ancient SLR lenses is different because they're cheap af

2. if you get the canon RF camera, you can buy into new mirrorless lenses, or get used DSLR lenses with a quality adapter

And mirrorless can adapt to pretty much any dslr or SLR lens

We recommend the mirrorless models because of the versatility

[jagged lake]

Alright

[feral vector]

Also very high quality autofocus

[jagged lake]

Why can’t dslr adapt?

[feral vector]

Physics

Forgive me for I am drunk

(it is my Saturday)

[jagged lake]

Aha

[feral vector]

Dslrs have a mirror between the lens and the image sensor

[jagged lake]

Yes

And it moves out of the way, no?

Swivels up

[feral vector]

That means DSLR lenses are designed for a specific distance between lens mount and sensor

[jagged lake]

Ohhh

[feral vector]

Mirrorless lenses are much closer to the sensor than DSLR lenses, cause no mirror

[jagged lake]

So they don’t care?

[feral vector]

So adapting a DSLR lens to mirrorless system can be as simple as adding a spacer

[jagged lake]

…because it’s already focused and it just needs moved

Got it

[feral vector]

But putting a mirrorless lens on a DSLR body is impossible since mirrorless is designed to be much closer to sensors than is possible with DSLR

[jagged lake]

Ok fine

Mirrorless

[feral vector]

And DSLR lenses on not native DSLR bodies doesn't work cause you have to add a physical adapter which fucks with the spacing

[jagged lake]

$700 for body is a lot tho

For me

Is the R100 really that bad though? Wouldn’t it still be better quality than anything else I have?

It’s only $350, much much better

[feral vector]

Aw fuck, I did it @deft garden @jagged lake @ember plaza

[jagged lake]

[jagged lake]

I do have a 70-200mm minolta macro, it would work on mirrorless for film scanning right?

[feral vector]

1. you'd need an adapter
2. yes? But keep in mind old lenses can lack I sharpness compared to modern lenses

[jagged lake]

figured

[feral vector]

Also what's the minimum focus distance on it

[jagged lake]

Lemme see

2.8 feet.

oh.

[ember plaza]

Nice set congrats man !

Also you’ll discover the wonderful feeling of spending on gear and your photos not improving

[feral vector]

Cost per shot is about to plummet

Also dynamic range should improve

[ember plaza]

Good point

Yeah it should be 12 stop I believe

[feral vector]

Nice

[verbal laurel]

Heheh " I'm not rich, I'm just financial irresponsible "

[verbal laurel]

Is like a powerfully pc

[jagged lake]

I can’t stop thinking about that

I’m at like $0.70 now

Is BAD

[feral vector]

I have a lot of film to go through

And anything I care about will be on film

Digital allows me to screw around

[jagged lake]

Film is just fun

[feral vector]

It really is

[ember plaza]

Like you switch to full frame, thinking your photos will be much better after that, they won’t

[proven skiff]

It just improves low light as it’s a bigger sensor allowing for lower iso in low light conditions correct

[ember plaza]

Sure but in practice it doesn’t really change anything, it’s been proven

ISO performance sure, iso is finer on FF, but you would also have improved ISO with a newer apsc sensor compared to a DSLR one

[proven skiff]

That’s also true personally I prefer asp c for my type of photography (wildlife) because of the crop factor

[verbal laurel]

Hehe

[feral vector]

Oops I slightly overspent this month

[jagged lake]

Figured out proper loading technique and now I got 37 again

[verbal laurel]

I don't even count any more

XD

That 180-600Z would really leave a mark in my savings

But well

I hope it made me happy

[jagged lake]

They said “shoot when it’s bright”

Is this bright enough?

[verbal laurel]

No get a flash

[verbal laurel]

Is not stupid

If works

[ember plaza]

Except if you wanna use the viewfinder

[verbal laurel]

Oh

Well It need improves

[ember plaza]

Rotaté 90°

[verbal laurel]

I think I will just cut off the wood piece

Or just remove when need view finder

I mostly did this so I can use my camera and smartphone to take some pictures of night sky, at same time while sharing the tripod

[tall ember]

I had to get a grip for mine, more for when I try and use larger lenses. Like the silly macro lens, which needs an efs to efm adaptor.
I need to do the silly setup again on it for night sky stuff

[deft garden]

@verbal laurel the z 180-600 arrives at my place Tuesday between 12:30 and 2:30.

[verbal laurel]

Ohhhh

Man

Unbox it

Record it

Aaaaa I'm still planning about how to get mine

[verbal laurel]

and yes, it attacked me

[jagged lake]

I think I saw the same kind of chicken

[royal folio]

that's a rooster no?

[verbal laurel]

It is

[long spruce]

Bunch of Heihei

[verbal laurel]

Heihei?

[deft garden]

From Disney's Moana. hes the chicken, voiced by the one and only, the great, legendary, Alan Tudyk.

[verbal laurel]

Ohhh

I even didn't remember that Moana had a chicken

[feral vector]

https://tenor.com/view/heihei-stuck-moana-gif-11755602

[verbal laurel]

this one is really more friendly than this

[verbal laurel]

.

[long spruce]

when you have kids or surrounded by nephews and nieces. You start memorizing most of the Disney movies 😂

[verbal laurel]

i did that

when i was a kid

not beacause i had a choice

it was simple the only thing on TV and we didn't have internet (good one) 20 years ago.

now i have fiber and 500 up down

[verbal laurel]

VRUUUM

hehe

https://tenor.com/hWtQ0Jd823u.gif

@deft garden you have the 200 2.8 right ?

worth buy it ?

[verbal laurel]

preparing for June festives

https://tenor.com/XQhD.gif

best part ?

fireworks and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PhSFYMPuVg&ab_channel=TiagoFarias FOOD

[verbal laurel]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Nikon and is dump auto focus on Z5

the camera found the eye

but still decided to focus on BACKGROUND

https://tenor.com/view/gjirlfriend-gif-16348084597044947976

[verbal laurel]

found the birb

@wise patrol

[wise patrol]

Oh these are so beautiful!! The colors are gorgeous!

[verbal laurel]

hehe

is a tree called Ipe

[wise patrol]

ooo

[verbal laurel]

we have they white, yellow, purble, pink

[wise patrol]

oh my gosh

[verbal laurel]

hehe

[verbal laurel]

this one saddly was cutted down

idont if it felt or the cutted

the white ones are one of my favorites

[jagged lake]

CANNOT WAIT TO GET THIS STUFF DEVELOPED

I have like 20ish rolls that need it

[verbal laurel]

a film water prove camera

never saw one

before

[jagged lake]

Yeah it’s a disposable

:p

Somehow they still sell them

[verbal laurel]

why is disposable

like

take 5 photos

camera goes kabum ?

[jagged lake]

27 photos / 1 roll, then you bring it back to the camera shop to get it developed. They send the camera body back to the manufacturer to get re-loaded and possibly refurbished for resale.

I gave it to my sister to just mess around with, we shall see what she got

( @verbal laurel )

[verbal laurel]

oh

i hope it is cheap

[jagged lake]

It’s like $15

[verbal laurel]

then is not that bad

at least it dont go to trash

looks like a nice product if you kids, and they want to try photograph, without you risking your 4k+ camera

ps, im thinking of printing in photo paper some of my pictures

does you guys recomend any tipe of paper ?

for this picture

?

[jagged lake]

Also it’s nice for ocean stuff

[verbal laurel]

yeap

[jagged lake]

I think she got some photos of shells and creatures in the Gulf of Mexico when we were there

[jagged lake]

I got free photo paper so idk what’s good

I’m a beginner, only been really into photography since early April

[verbal laurel]

the sad part is i dont have the original file of that photo anymore

AAAAAAAAA