#Plight of Apollyon (2026)

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north notch
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Remember you can al a bit in all classes even under T10 for ranking!

lunar hamlet
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Only t10 and 9 count

hollow wagon
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On the topic of reworks, what’s June’s usual main event? I’m drawing a complete blank on what’s likely getting reworked next

lunar hamlet
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I have a strong feeling ragnarok is getting reworked

vast orbit
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Phantom please stop posting random offtopic stuff here

unborn forge
lunar hamlet
unborn forge
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i dont believe t9 does

north notch
lunar hamlet
unborn forge
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probably couldn't be true because you can't build an altar until t10

lunar hamlet
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Don't think next month will be a rework tbh

lunar hamlet
inland mirage
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Re DM balance:

Historically, I do think 2024 just running DMs was overpowered, but that was in comparison to anguish and towers at the time. I really think DMs are fine without boosters, when compared with the rewards you can get since launch of Anguish 2. In that regard, I think DMs were in a good space, as they can help bridge the gap to high anguish content, but wouldnt out-perform it as a consistent money maker.

The issue really comes with the boosters. Prior to superboosters becoming more available this year, I really think it was fine. A few people mentioned the grind that goes into maxing many of these guilds, it requires you to do a lot of diverse Orna content, and most importantly it was finite. Prior to event PoUA, you could only get 8 in your entire account life, and several of them were locked behind 100+ hour grinds. With those limitations, I think being able to quickly pull 10+ AL is a reasonable reward for completing one of those grinds. It also acted as a nice catchup mechanic, as it was a decent AL boost with very limited uses, eventually end-game players would run out. I don't really think its a good idea to pull up the ladder on something finite. The problem really arises as we don't know how available these will be from events. The past three events have had one, and these seem very feasbile to get 2 across two event runs. The grinds for the event PoUA are comparable to the easiest ones available from guilds. They should be not in any additional events, one time purchases, much more expensive, and/or replaced with a new lesser booster. At a base level, I really feel like towers/other bonuses from PoUA should be buffed, because I know there are some players out there who are using/have used them not on memories and are having massive regret.

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There are also a few issues that arise specifically in the context of the recent DM rework/Apollyon event. A global +15% and an easily stackable +25% means this event is ~43% better than any other time of year. This creates FOMO, as you have to run during this event, and even if PoUA/DM continue in current state, has a chilling effect where its a pretty bad decision to use them anytime but May. I generally just don’t think a memory event should be able to run on top of these, and perhaps the global buff should just be to amity quality. Its fine if May is ~10% better to run during, but these numbers are way to good.

The change to DMs from 5 steps to 4 steps with an equivalent mat boost basically made this a 20% increase in efficiency/time for those who stocked a ton of DMs, which is incredibly relevant when dealing with 2-day buffs. I initially thought this was going to be a backdoor nerf, but with the materials being increased with the step decrease it is a tremendous buff. Additionally, the new DM system makes the minigames consistent throughout a hunt, so you can not only scout couchables, but parties with quick minigames, allowing you to burn through a whole hunt in <30 seconds. I’m not sure the best way to reconcile these updates.

TL;DR, DMs can serve as a good catchup mechanic but super-boosters should be more limited. This event/rework timing was also the perfect storm that resulted in a really huge increase in efficiency to DMs.

minor tusk
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DM should be like that.

The issue is couchability and no CD.

For players to couch and just farm it with no time limit, that's already very efficient.

Dungeon and monuments are limited by location and cool downs.

DM are not. The same for raid when it was abused.
No CD, not limited by location and it drops more than a type of material.
If u are high anguished, u are literally abusing the bonuses.

If there's other buff for raids, the same thing will happen.

Dungeon and Monument are not as abusive as NO CD and no location limitations, and materials are limited by eod or the type of monsters.

Again, the issue is couchability and no CD.

If u can only farm 20-30 max DM per hour, you don't have this issue.
But that raise another issue of ppl complaining not getting desire bonuses, not enough time.

Issue was never the coins, POUA, shrine buff or event buff.

There will be another similar issue I foresee next week that ppl will complain.

calm sundial
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How are y’all actually finding couchable hunts that are consistent?

minor tusk
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And the nodes priorities road with more ppl.
I assume google data that checks for traffic.

calm sundial
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We’re hearing from a few players who are able to farm the hell out of DMs, but how many players aren’t?

minor tusk
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And it's way more than the previous system.

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I've hears a lot of players said they never used to be able to couch but now they can due to road snapping.

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So it's either feast or famine like other said.

minor tusk
calm sundial
minor tusk
calm sundial
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Either make nothing couchable, or at least make it predictable and repeatable imo

minor tusk
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And I don't mind.

calm sundial
minor tusk
calm sundial
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2 hours of couchable, plus all the DMs spent to find them, is way worse than the old system

minor tusk
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And I don't join discord.

inland mirage
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Anecdotal,but the new system feels more affected by gps drift. I had to find new parties compared to what I scoured because it seemed a small shift would cause stuff to snap to different roads. But may depend on your local layout

calm sundial
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I mean cool for you ig

minor tusk
calm sundial
noble sky
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Man, sounds like amity hunting is too rewarding to hard core players.

NF should nerf reward for these players who thinks it is too easy.

Meanwhile, keep it as it is for us normie.

Thanks

minor tusk
minor tusk
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uneven charm
minor tusk
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Nothing, just OP.

uneven charm
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Cause thats twice now you've dropped my name, incorrectly

eager crater
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As the system doesn't clearly work as intended you've to play around it and just make it abusable on your side instead of a pain

hot mauve
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This is why the fairest solution (that I'm sure Odie would be happy do if players actually wanted it) is to make it so no hunts are ever couchable

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But, for obvious reasons, people do not want that

somber wigeon
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would distorteds be diluted wrt diluted mnemonic needed?

somber wigeon
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with respect to

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i'd like 5 diluted for 1 distorted be diluted further

minor tusk
somber wigeon
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alright

wet kite
minor tusk
wet kite
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Neither is bad i agree

real river
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I mean garunteed legendary is huge compared to cheaper costs

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it makes it so when you have a queue of 50 + people trying to get a legendary, more people will get it

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In river casino all week we have had a 40% crit 7% pet protect in kats party, and people using 2x distorted are in and out in 2 minutes , and i promise you, the 10 DM cost is WAY WAY WAY less than what you would have spent to get the same 2x legendary if you had to hunt them with regular DM. With the current shrine you might get aobut 1 in 10 legendary, but once its gone, you are looking at 1 in 15-20 per legendary

wet kite
real river
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got 1 day left if your interested :-p get 2x distorted and 12 ish trinkets ready :-p

wet kite
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I just noticed im not even on the server anymore huh

minor tusk
real river
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thats average. ive personally gone as high as 40 dm without a legendary, and ive seen some get close to 70ish... then you turn around and get 3-4 legendary in a row scoutting trash

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my goa is to have 100 distorted by the end of the month so i can safely snag any legendary for the next year :-p

minor tusk
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500 DM. 4k Balor.

royal gale
# hot mauve This is why the fairest solution (that I'm sure Odie would be happy do if player...

I would totaly love this.

As a GPS-Game you should reward people more for actually moving! In my opinion this would also alter the whole discussion about Memory Hunting being abused for mats. (obv. this is only possible because of memorys being couchable)

Make memorys non-couchable and increase the Chance for good amitys or change the bonuses in some way.

When i first downloaded the game, i thought it would be nice to have another gps game and get rewards by moving, but this game can be played without moving at all šŸ˜„

minor tusk
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We should reward the furthest final nodes with weighted bonuses hahhahahhha

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Or the final node have a chance to lead u to a unique amities.

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Which is either at max VD or out of VD range.

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And it disappear after u get it.

calm sundial
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If we want more gps content, give Travelers Guild a nice refresh tbh

minor tusk
calm sundial
minor tusk
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There's lot of potential for travellers guild.
Imagine it connects to health tracker watch or any tracking watch.

A lot of ppl mention bout it too.

Then there's ways to play the minigames for memory hunt through that watch lol.

Then we can train our followers in guild to produce materials.

But we only have one Odie.

Haahhaahah

eager crater
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Pointless farm

minor tusk
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But we only have 1 Odie hahhaaha

scenic canyon
eager crater
inland jay
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I FOUND ITT RAHHHHH

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This event helped me so much, i went from 224 to 229 in 5 days lmao. I upgraded my keep to max lvl, unlocked heretic, unlocked GS and i keep going. Actually HUGEE boost

lunar hamlet
lunar hamlet
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I do around 14k steps a day fyi🄲 glad to get 12 xp for that 10k mark

balmy briar
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What is the point of these threads if the conversation is never about the event? And when people open it up to join in on the discussion or begin a new one, it doesnt help to see a conversation beforehand about something completely left field from the event like trials šŸ˜’

main trench
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Typically they are fairly focused when folks are encountering concerns and seeking patches - if a thread starts going a little off topic it's because the event is a bit more free of pain, and they are just having fun playing it

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@lunar hamlet come on. Let's not do that

lunar hamlet
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Sorry lol

balmy briar
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Only to rightfully defend his comment (not his actions) i married Phanny’s Mom in game šŸ˜…šŸ¤£

But yeah i cant say im completely innocent to staying on topic either to put lightly šŸ˜‚

main trench
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The threads being off topic dominated are a little refreshing to me, versus reading thousands of comments of complaints, it's a breath of fresh air haha

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Appreciate the aim to keep it on topic though, thanks <3

balmy briar
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Good point no one ever talks about how much they love the event so i will share my favorite parts bc this has always been my favorite afterall

•We LOVE remembering as controversial as that is now gain wisešŸ‘€

•The raid cycle for Bay and Bax is still fun as ever even if i have the gear already, due to the new monsters to world farm, and im also certain the spawns for the event guys are just all around better now too

•Balor Memory farming is something that has kept me engaged with the event as someone who already collected all the gear last year, giving both materials and amities to check daily (also separate from the already tracked guild shops its EXCITING to see a mat lock pop)

•And my favorite is now the disciple follower rework, as a deity its pure juice 🄹

Thank you guys for another year of Apo ā€¼ļø

lunar hamlet
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I am no longer completely unmotivated everytime I get a t8+ mat lock

winged tendon
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Having materials to get with even currency has certainly been welcomed

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definitely a good addition

hollow wagon
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The multiple ways to engage with the event (Apo X/Y, dungeons, world farming) is nice, definitely wards off burnout from monotony

neon geode
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Since Loonstones are added to Oracle temple, will it be possible to add Distorted Mnemonic as well?

hollow wagon
real river
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You will get them from EoD

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the event just lets you craft them

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But they will work all year

hot mauve
hollow wagon
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Since were asking about potentially adding them to the shop

real river
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i never said they would be common/easy to obtain :-p

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hence why im working on getting 100 now saved for later

hollow wagon
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Yeah I’m working towards a stash of them atm, 4 Vulcan monuments at home this week plus the event monument tomorrow so šŸ‘€

somber wigeon
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event monument will be separate spawn?

hollow wagon
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Previous event monument was accessible via an option on regular monuments

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We have no confirmation on any of it though so afaik

north notch
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no xp and no shop in the giants event šŸ™

dreamy agate
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Juicy af pmel farming though

uneven charm
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mmmm, more codexing kits

dreamy agate
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and another jewel of destruction

spice leaf
pastel solar
spice leaf
dreamy agate
steel sluice
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I think event exp and allegiance points should still be available for all events at every repeat, but event shop should be available once a year on the official event month

real river
hot mauve
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It's 1/2000 from a tower

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The guesstimate is 1/2000 per EoD reward roll

steel sluice
hot mauve
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Not as far as I've ever heard from anyone

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Legendary rarity is legendary rarity

steel sluice
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Onc is legendary t10, riftlock is legendary t6, feels like im seeing way more riftlocks than oncs, im not trying to argue, just collect info

hot mauve
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Some of it's just IRL luck. I have way more Mammon Swords than BoGs, but they're both T9

steel sluice
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And onc is supposedly 1 in 1000 of EoDs afaik so a tier 3 consumable being 1 in 2000 seems... off

hot mauve
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ONC is 1/2000 from a tower as well

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It's 1/1000 from a dungeon because dungeons have two rolls

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It's only 1/500 from something like a Battlegrounds

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(all of these roughly)

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Luckily for us this was calculated back before dungeons with more than two rolls existed šŸ˜…

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It'd be a nightmare to gather the data these days

north notch
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dunno if intended or bug, there is no discussion thread for the giants event so i will write it here: there are no giant and titan event encounters in monuments in the 3 non-beast paths (didn't try beast as it's terrible for apo event )

runic anvil
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I feel like events are in one of two states with monuments: either mobs fill each path correctly, or one of beasts or the other 3 paths as a whole are having issues.

minor tusk
north notch
minor tusk
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It's in mage. It's just lower chance. Dungeon probably have higher chance to meet them.

somber wigeon
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dungeons you can filter out the other events

graceful timber
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I heard that all drops from apollyon are guaranteed once you pass the 100% hp dealt as damage threshold, is that true?

pallid knot
clear fable
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Holy cow, missed my chance at a screenshot but
I GOT A DISTORTED MNEMONIC IN A DUNGEON REWARD
they exists lol

lunar hamlet
clear fable
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end of dungeon reward display is such a mess, it is hard to notice them

lunar hamlet
clear fable
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made soo many slayer crest and hammers

lunar hamlet
calm sundial
lunar hamlet
calm sundial
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Wild, guess I need to grind spelunker one of these days

tulip knoll
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that's imrpessive

lunar hamlet
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Down to like 45 cuz I was lazy and just spammed them to upgrade my os gear

tranquil violet
lunar hamlet
pallid knot
minor tusk
lunar hamlet
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Oh nvm

north notch
wooden stratus
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what is rare monsters?

unreal laurel
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If you look up in codex - every monster has rarity associated with it

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That bonus makes rare enemies appear more often

rocky mortar
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Guess I'm getting some Balor Memories before end of day

wooden stratus
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WANT!

vast orbit
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I think Odie made the shop boons too limited; I believe most bonuses can't roll at all

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I would like to see the first bonus always be a new event bonus, but legendary and ornate bonuses should be pulled from all amity bonuses

hot mauve
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Imo it's kind of better that they can't - that way there's a higher chance for one of the 'good' ones

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And it'll be the same type of combos for everyone

vast orbit
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Short term I agree, but unless we get these effects from a different source we just won't have new possibilities

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So hopefully we have the ability to get these bonuses in another way in the future

inland mirage
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Idea for next year: include the base affixes in the event shop and allow you to roll them with Balor memories, and they can roll at random quality.

balmy briar
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I havent even seen a Any Weapon Proficiency + 2Hand power at all let alone a 10/10

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The hugs make me think its been possible to roll one šŸ’€šŸ˜‚

balmy briar
dreamy agate
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the rest have all been bad, if that helps šŸ˜›

balmy briar
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Better than normal crit boosters? Total damage tells me no but maybe in a deep ang situation

autumn crypt
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If I may

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nvm, too old

lunar hamlet
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Ngl, I have 1000 times better couchable luck when doing them on an intersection, maybe I should setup a tent on an intersection to use my poua

winged tendon
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I definitely had better luck near parks/apartment complexs/strip-malls which have a lot of intersections.

The only times its taken me more than 5 minutes to find a couchable has been at home.
I've had multiple times from home where it took 25+ to find a couchable.

inland mirage
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Yeah intersections OP

lunar hamlet
spice leaf
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ew

real river
clear fable
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yeahhhh

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I got soo mmuch diluted memory back from the monument tokens

tulip knoll
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i'm looking for apollyon pets, could someone help me?

minor tusk
twin portal
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Ive done quite a few of these polly raids now and none of my damage is listed in the damage list. As a matter of fact , other than the floating numbers on each hit and the log after the fight, I cant see any of my damage. Is this the same for everyone ?

twin portal
peak grotto
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I thought we killed him

runic anvil
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Nah, he's immortal. We just stole thousands of house keys from him.

unreal laurel
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Cant even imagine how it feels like when people all over the world have your house keys mimic

vast orbit
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And most of your damage is probably wasted

wet kite
runic anvil
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As a non-summoner, is it worth grabbing one of the event summons for any reason as the event closes out? Niche endless usage or something?

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Been looking at them as irrelevant to me, not sure if I should just grab one for kicks as the event closes out instead of some loom stones or whatever.

hot mauve
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I don't see any reason to

real river
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I also haven't grabbed any. Nothing stand out ish that I noticed.

hot mauve
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The one reason I can think it could possibly be useful is if NF someday added gear that gave any class Paired Essence and you started a raid with one so that it used a sigil on the raid

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But man that is reaching

fickle torrent
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They are good summons for a summoner, outside of that there's almost no usage scenario for them

lilac sphinx
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HoC to nekromancer

lunar hamlet
minor tusk
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Just my experience of this month events.
What an interesting month.

  1. I can literally participate in every content.
    Eg, raids, memory hunt, monument, towers, BOF, fishing, dungeons.

  2. The secondary event ties with main event. Everything I did in the secondary event compliments the main event.
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    trinket for memories hunting.
    Tower shards to farm for diluted mnemonics.
    If don't want to hunt memories, I still can kill raids or gain proof from monument.
    When I hunt memories/amities, it gives me fragments to get the tower key.
    There's always something to take part in.

  3. Ornaversary was a bit short, wish it was a secondary 2 week event rather than just short burst 1 week event. It was probably the most intense 1 week for me trying to take part in all 3 event.

Grind EXP for event LVL, I can't take part in memories.
If I want to enjoy the event buff, I can't take part in grinding the EXP.

Still, love the meme dev drops!

  1. New amities locked behind event shop.
    I thought it will be in public amity pool similar to seer guild. Where you have a high chance to get event amities and you still can hunt for it.
    Locking it behind an event shop kinda feels annoying knowing that other ppl can get it while I don't. No matter how much I hunt for it.
    And it gives advantage to those who got it first.

Imagine someone fish 100%+100% more fish than me while I wait for RNG to bless me in 30 days. Lady Luck wasn't with me.

I suggest that it still appears in event shop but at same time in the public amity pool. Then remove it after end of event.

This will also create unique amities that is only from event.

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  1. Changes to memory hunting.
    a. Colour coded. Probably one of the best QOL.
    b. Spawning for memories was found out to prioritize higher traffic. This is something I personally feel like it shouldn't be happening. We need more spawn on residential roads too.
    c. Everytime I zoom out, my character touches the witch hut outer circle but I can't engage it.
    Then I realize it's because my character circle isn't touching the invisible witch hut inner circle.
    That's kinda sad for me.

I play zoom out for memories hunt most of the time , knowing my character actually touches the thick outer circle of witch hut but I can't engage it frustrate me.

I was hoping that instead of having an invisible smaller witch hut circle, both of them can do the opposites.
Characters have smaller inner circle while witch hut used the big thick out circle to check engagement. Only for memories layer.

d. I love the loomstone, distorted mnemonics and shrine buff that increase the quality.
Best upgrades to memory hunting.

And 2 of the items are going into the base game!!!!!

mighty cradle
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Anyone figured out how to reliably get the t10 disciples to spawn in the balor memories?

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I have 50% exotic hunt and all the candles and the chaos scroll and monumental spec and all that spawns are the damn hydras and fishfolk

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It starts out fine and always looks ends up loke this 😭

dreamy agate
minor tusk
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Or just kill it for it to spawn?

mighty cradle
mighty cradle
dreamy agate
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Yeah the spawn is too close to the water

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So it eventually pulls in water mobs

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Have you tried joining a party? I think that may also reset it? But I'm not entirely sure

minor tusk
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I think the rarer monster amity might be pulling them in.

mighty cradle
mighty cradle
jovial osprey
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When does the event amity reset happen in the monumental guild?

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At the same time as the items?

twilit ocean
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Amities from the apollyon event restock at local midnight

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So it might not be the same as the item refresh

minor tusk
jovial osprey
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Well, rip, lost the amity from yesterday because of that

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Fml

minor tusk
# jovial osprey Why is it different from monumental, if they're like in the same shop, with the ...

The event shop reset as other guild shop. And monumental shop reset at UTC 0.

He got confuse at one point too.
But the thing is, the event items also appear in monumental shop.

So the monumental shop have 2 reset.

Don't ask me why. I also dunno.
I just know about recently.

If you check the refresh timer at the bottom, only monumental guild is different.
But it still refreshed for the event items like the other guild.

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So two refresh.

balmy briar
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Unfortunately this isnt new, as other events materials have been resetting separately from the rest of the monumental shop in the past šŸ˜’

One of those things you get used to and stop thinking about tbh

jovial osprey
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Yeah, idk why it's so misleading

minor tusk
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Ya is not new.

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It's like that since I came back.

wet kite
minor tusk
runic anvil
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For future events that put amities in the event shop, I'd say consider allowing them to re-roll several times a day. I picked up several 50% rare monster amities, but I only ever saw the max fishing amity once (and didn't buy it because it had a trash second slot and didn't want to spend 200 memories mighty_mimic).

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I'm not heartbroken at all since I only fish in this game when forced at gunpoint, but it was specifically recognized that more shots at these amities were needed when they were increased from 4->6 and it still had the potential to fall short.

balmy briar
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Let us reroll the slot by buying the amity, up to a certain amount of times a day would even be possible 🄹

minor tusk
quasi raven
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@modern wasp

runic anvil
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Final thoughts on this event:

  • Loomstones were a giant step in the right direction.
  • Balor memories ended up being okay to obtain, but if I would have wanted to buy summons or big event amities I would have had to grind them much harder.
  • As predicted, every single legendary+ amity I got from Mnemosyne content went into the trash and I never saw one worthy legendary+ amity in the event store. While I did get some absolutely rocking amities from DM spam and memory hunting community availability, I'm left somewhat split on the final state of memory hunting as this event ends.
  • Apolyon mobs were suitably available in monuments which was good.
    Overall the event was good, but I'm hoping amity hunting availability continues to improve for functionally useful Lego+ amities. That or we get some more outside of memory hunting ways to affect amity bonuses eventually.
vast orbit
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Hopefully we get these amity effects from an additional source in the future

minor tusk
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More amities coming.

runic anvil
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It's not bad. The increased availability definitely opens up more chances for that sort of amity to pop up, but it is still pretty uncommon.

runic anvil
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Also not having the apolyon shrine is going to feel bad outside of this event mighty_mimic