The Winter Wild Hunts 2025 Discussion Thread

[cloud ember]

Because people keep trying to revive other old threads to discuss this event before it even goes live.

Now I'm making the early thread, take that Dangy.

[ashen meteor]

Is there something worth the first week?

I dont remember the events

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You'll enjoy what I'm in the middle of typing

Week 1:
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• Beastfelled
• Phoenixrise
• Plight of Apollyon

Week 2:
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• Thronemakers
• Riftfall
• Ragnarok

Week 3:
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• Fallen Heroes of Avalon
• Wyrmhunt
• The Hallowed

Week 4:
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• The Crimson Festival
• Of Giants and Titans
• Stop Scruug!

Friends and Family (all event pets and summons available)
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[unkempt urchin]

Hype!

[fossil junco]

I'm gonna be focused on

Phoenixrise

• Ashen Phoenix
• phoenix summons
  beastfelled
• Lyncus's Bristle/bracer
  Plight of Apollyon
• Book of Dragon X
• Beguiled Quarterstaff (30% summon stats)
• Beguiled Mystic Katar X

personally.

Though there's some other stuff I'll probably get if convenient (e.g. doom immunity armor, and beguiled cowl Y)

Though I also wasn't around for any of these when they originally came around

[cloud ember]

Jaoks knows the good stuff from those events, which is why I ❓ reacted him

[cloud ember]

I'm not sure what class you play, but for nearly every class you'd also want to be aiming for a good quality Beastfelled Garb from Beastfelled. It gives your follower or summons access to casting Berserk

[fossil junco]

Thanks!
I've mostly been playing BeoA/GSA (in part for practical reasons)
Looking to build up stuff for at least one of BeoH or RS (possibly as Swash).

Beastfelled Garb is on my list, but it's only Famed rarity
so I think I'm basically guaranteed to grab one in the process of
getting Lyncus's Bracer which is Legendary rarity.

Plus I certainly don't have the resources to grind out high quality (ornate) for all the stuff I want so I'd be satisfied with normal quality on that.
So for quality grinding purposes I've got my eye more on

• Fey Surtyr Cuirass
• Spiked Greatshield
• Arisen Pumpkinless Armor
• Arisen Aaru Headwrap
  Since they seem like the least replaceable pieces, and I got no idea when I'd see them again.

Definitely also looking for other stuff like the Yelmogus set for endless,
but again, quality doesn't seem as important given my relatively limited resources (I'm a fairly new T10)
so I'd be ok with normal quality on that too since it'd mostly be used for setup in Endless

[fossil junco]

For reference, this is all the stuff I've got my eye on.
I did get lazy with the RS/BeoH/BeoA/GS breakdown as I got further down though
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lbJuP28cZY64lF8P5RKNtW6scncbs3kNqN2uyjTWYeU/edit?usp=sharing

[brazen axle]

HEY!

Haha no worries, thanks for getting it started 💪

[ashen meteor]

I want a Beguiled Y Garb to replace the Pumpkimless armor in Towers

[quartz pagoda]

Possibly dumb question: are all event followers available for the entire wild hunt or just during their specific event window?

Just wondering for target hunting recommendations.

[unkempt urchin]

There’s an event at the end of the month where they’re all available for that window

[quartz pagoda]

Okay so it's sounding like event windows and the friends and family period. I was assuming as much, thanks for confirming.

[cloud ember]

The online event calendar reveals all

https://playorna.com/calendar/

[quartz pagoda]

Knight, how dare you assume that I am intelligent enough to... Use my eyes

Seriously though it does answer this perfectly, I completely forgot to look at it.

[unkempt urchin]

All hail the calendar

[ashen meteor]

Well you cant get followers from Terra's event, so is a lie

[glass wave]

okay ive not played around with the rewored version of beguilled x and y do i only need to do thier max hp or does over damagin them matter

[rotund trench]

I am not a big fan of having 3 events at the same time. Usually, I would like to use festival scrolls to farm some specific events, but with 3 parallel events, the festival scrolls are much worse than standard scrolls during a normal event.
Even though I understand that now you have more time to play a bit of each event, I assume that many players would rather like to focus on some specific events.

[glass wave]

this allows you to focus on the event of choice for me im hunting polly y stuff others will choose beastfelled and others will choose phoenixrise

[rotund trench]

I think this very much depends on the event that you want to focus on. For superraids craftable in monumental guild: yes, you have more time. For raids that you want to spawn with festival scrolls: no, you cannot focus on the event of choice as there are too many events active at the same time.

[glass wave]

there are 4? active raids? 2 for phoenix and 2 for beastfelled

its no different than running a normal event with 2 events over lapping

[rotund trench]

You forgot polly. So 3 events each with raids

[glass wave]

if your arguement was normal scrolls id agree

oh right theres normal polly

so 6 event raids

still better odds than normal scrolls

[rotund trench]

Last year, I could use all festival scrolls for exactly one event iirc. Now, they are not better than normal scrolls. But I agree that both is with pros and cons.

[glass wave]

plus what exactly are you looking for from normal event raids.

[rotund trench]

Ornate epees for example

[glass wave]

they are better than normal scrolls youre guarenteed not to get normal world raids non event ones so instead of 1 and 13 or 15 raids its 1 in 6

you can still get them via dropping scrolls

[cloud ember]

Festive scrolls draw from the entire event pool. They allow low-tier and kingdom raids to be spawned

[glass wave]

i hated last year because you had to choose between what raids you wanted instead of the ability to drop scrolls and get multiple

[glass wave]

iirc theres still only 6 rn

[cloud ember]

There are 9 (although it might be 7, unsure if the two bonus Apollyons can spawn and I'd like to find out)

[glass wave]

bonus as in the ones from the rift thingy

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Yeah

[glass wave]

you cant

[cloud ember]

You can 😄

[glass wave]

then it needs fixed

[glass wave]

since they are techinically a superraid

[cloud ember]

Super raids can be spawned from Festive

It's worked that way the entire time

[merry temple]

What happens when you fight one?

[cloud ember]

Festive scrolls are the most amazing fun scrolls that exist

[glass wave]

again theyre a super raid you cant spawn super raids with them so they shouldnt be spawnable either

[cloud ember]

Yes, you can

Look at those Lynus

That's how festive scrolls have always worked

[glass wave]

then this is a change from the past iteration of it super raids werent summonable by them last year

[cloud ember]

Festive scroll = spawn any event raid

Yes they were

I promise

#👋│general message

[cloud ember]

They work like normal raids, with the HP listed on playorna

Not that this is an efficient way to farm Apollyon whatsoever

Do you want a scroll with a 1/9 chance to spawn one, or a mnemonic where you can fight many 😆

[glass wave]

these are better for appolly they take anguish level active

[rotund trench]

I would like to have a combination of short and longer duration events. Like x days each with 1 day non-overlapping (or even 1/2 day) , so that you can focus more on a specific event that you maybe missed (or you just had bad luck before). But still I enjoy the winter event.

[ashen meteor]

Time to farm 1K before this week ends, we got the best raids the first week

[solemn slate]

I kinda wanna use my festive scrolls for more chances at Cerus for crimson. Need those Crit gems, but going to be super inflated with the of giants bosses and the multiple iterations of the crimson bosses

[cyan yarrow]

Is it normal that polly y in Balor Portal does not show the damage?

[cloud ember]

Yes. It has infinite HP

[paper kelp]

What damage is enough to get max drops from polly in Balor Portal?

[cloud ember]

There is no number. The drops you get are based on the damage you do relative to other people

[vast patrol]

If nobody else is hitting it, you can get max drops with 2 damage

If others are hitting it, well..
hit it harder

[cyan yarrow]

I remember it different... 👀
There was a cap somewhere around 50M if I am not wrong

[gaunt torrent]

there were multiple systems but people kept complaining it got changed couple times until we got the current one

[quartz pagoda]

That is a very kind way to explain the towerfall apocolypse

[sullen torrent]

I kinda wish the other worlds raids NEVER had non event kingdom raids...

[vast patrol]

Many would disagree with you, as kingdom raid materials are among the hardest to get in the game

and getting a fat stack of 500 is very welcome

But I do understand that point of view when ascending isn't your highest priority

[spiral sphinx]

I'd happily take poly in every single AW for that reason!!!

[sand ocean]

Hey whats my best option for trying to get kin of kerberos spawns cause im hurting on his fur for the summon scrolls

[quasi rain]

hi newb question, how do i get or find festive scrolls

[solemn slate]

Create them in monument guild

[little fiber]

How do I get the Apo followers?

[cloud ember]

Bestiaries

[little fiber]

Thank you kindly! I haven't found a single one yet

[cloud ember]

Or sometimes they could show up in the monument guild

Oh, uh, actually it looks like Odie didn't add the followers to wild hunts

[little fiber]

Ahhhh crudfish

That's explains everything

[little fiber]

Sad panda

I guess I will just have to wait for the og event

Thank you for the help!

[cloud ember]

I'm raising it in the ORN chat, it seems like an oversight

Adding only the paid followers would be pretty bad lol

[little fiber]

Thank you for this! 💜

I don't mind waiting either- still got a lot of event stuff to do

[little fiber]

Thank you so much!

[fossil junco]

I found a few in bestiaries in the last hour

They're all Cryptids though, so quite rare.

Also seeing the phoenix in the monument guild now

[little fiber]

I think the game didn't have them in them. I think Odie put them in

[cloud ember]

Yeah, see the previous discussion about them not existing and then Odie fixing it 😅

Glad to see he did. Pick up the Apollyon pet at least of your faction, they can be really good!

[fossil junco]

I am blind 🙃

Is there anything that makes the Phoenix better than the Macaroni Penguin?
Seems like they're both mostly just used for Deific Channel?

I guess phoenix is accuracy instead of crit chance for BB?

[cloud ember]

The Phoenix's normal attacks upkeep ward turns, the penguin does not

[fossil junco]

oooh

Is there much difference between the T8 and T10 version other than damage?

[cloud ember]

The T8 Phoenix does not give ward turns

[fossil junco]

ooh

The ward turn stuff seems like the kind of thing that should be part of its codex entry.

I really only knew that it was supposed to be pretty good from guides,
and actually I'm noticing now the RS guide does specifically say it grants ward turns with its attacks.

But there's no mention of this in-game,
and thus no way to tell from in-game that the T8 and T10 versions are functionally different.
(without getting and using both of them and doing some science)

[fallen gust]

You would have to already know what their listed skills do or take time to look them up.

It's not in-game help, unfortunately, but checking before buying is possible that way.

[cloud ember]

Like Regulus said, you don't need to test, you can just check on PlayOrna to see what the skills do

It's not in-game but it is an official resource linked in-game

[fossil junco]

I interpreted
normal attacks == basic attack
not normal attacks == skill/spells

since afaik for followers
attack rate = basic attack rate
spell rate = damaging skill/spell rate
Though I guess their attack rate is 0 so they wouldn't be able to do basic attacks anyways?

I do agree that if I looked it up online I could have seen that their spells and skills upkeep ward turns.

[cloud ember]

I just meant "normal attacks" as the "the things it does when it's not buffing"

[little fiber]

Trying to get them all

[wise violet]

What is the redeem code expected to give ?
I entered it and didn't see any change 🥲

[pure ravine]

Hi!! One question, when you hit any Beguilded Apollyon, can you see the sum of damage dealt? Because I don't.

[ashen meteor]

No

[toxic tulip]

Hey, I miss the Morrigan Sisters event this December.

[brazen axle]

Stay tuned....

[gaunt torrent]

ok saving all my festival scrolls

[ocean tartan]

I just can’t seem to encounter any manticores. Are they supposed to be extremely rare? Tried horde boss dungeons etc. (Yes, event mobs are included)

[ashen meteor]

You need to complete the quests first if you never did before

[warm kestrel]

I mean, there's a chance that Dangy means Morrigan Sisters are coming in January, in which case you don't wanna horde the festive scrolls.

[rocky cosmos]

if you mean literally zero, have you done the quest to unlock? (theyre rare but 1-5 per boss horde, not zero)

[rocky cosmos]

but what if we are cryptic and mysterious so noone can plan their moves in case theyre added into week4? :p

[feral zealot]

It's in but there won't be any notification.

One of QOL we need.

[brazen axle]

Don't save them for morrigan haha
Just stay tuned....

[stiff galleon]

Any chance we can get the memory event one day sooner so it doesn't overlap with Christmas as much

[warm kestrel]

Or that the archcrafting stays open an extra week for the people with the ftp archpath?

[rocky cosmos]

thanks for making that clear - mistakes with scrolls would have sucked ❤️

[vast patrol]

if I had to guess, it'll probably be an AW raid

[feral zealot]

Is the whole week?

[feral zealot]

Stay tuned for this month?

[feral zealot]

What's an AW raid?

[stiff galleon]

Its 23-27, a lot of people have plans on Christmas/Christmas Eve, if you're trying to use one of the larger buffs its difficult

[feral zealot]

23-30, buff it all after Christmas!!!

[vast patrol]

Arisen Waygate - It's what we had recently, the T4-T10 raids with infinite health

[feral zealot]

So u are assuming festival scrolls can summon AW raids?

[vast patrol]

No - which is why Dangy said don't save your scrolls lol

[feral zealot]

Ahhh okkk

[vast patrol]

I'm saying I'm expecting one of the waygates to have AMorri

[feral zealot]

But but u only get 10x.

[unkempt urchin]

10 is better than 0

[feral zealot]

True....

But if festive scrolls can summon A. Morrigan, that would be more than 10 ?

[rotund trench]

Currently, there are always 3 events at the same time, so you have something like a 1:10 chance for a specific raid, so you need around 100 scrolls for the same outcome (but with scrolls at least anguished). I stopped crafting after 100 festive scrolls because of this - i guess the chance is better during classical (non overlapping) events with standard scrolls.

[feral zealot]

But it comes with Anguished level for me. I needed it.

So scrolls are still better for me.

[rotund trench]

Yes, I agree. For anguished gear, it's much better. But you still need 25 proofs for festive scrolls or 30 for standard scrolls, so I think if you want a specific raid, standard scrolls during 1 event is better than festive with 3 events. That changes of course if you are interested in several of the 3 event raids during 1 week of winter wild hunt.

[feral zealot]

True. It's the 25 proofs.

[paper kelp]

Proof of monument buffed x2 in own faction monument. Is this new?

[unkempt urchin]

Monuments of your faction have always dropped double proofs but there’s been a visual bug that made it look like they didn’t, it may have been fixed if you’re noticing it now

[cloud ember]

It was fixed with the Lunar event a bit ago

[feral zealot]

Didn't know about this...

[atomic jewel]

Hey guys, silly question, i can get stonewarg now right? If yes, how can i get one exactly? Sorry, thanks!

[cloud ember]

No. You'll be able to get it starting in about 7 hours

It'll just be in bestiaries and/or the monument guild

[fossil junco]

Seems like Arisen Morrigan is in the pool for event summons for Summoning Scrolls

I have one now, and I did not have one before.
Could also be a bug?

[dreamy bobcat]

Arisen Morrigan is always in the pool for summoning scrolls with 0 events active, it's just rare

[fossil junco]

ah

[merry trout]

I feel like Arisen Waygate on top of the weekly event is a little bit too much

[feral zealot]

Nothing is too much! It's Christmas!

[wary leaf]

I thought I'd be able to farm some more Zagreus keys but there're so many event monsters it's near impossible to farm the event you want.

[feral zealot]

That's why I farm everything then at the weekend, I use the key.

[sudden gust]

I'm having a hard time farming delta riftlock fragments for the key
Too many other event mobs in dungeons
Does anyone have a better way than horde dungeons?

[feral zealot]

I saw someone mention using the monumental specialization....

[cloud ember]

That won't really help here because of how satured dungeons already are

[warm kestrel]

I like the waygate because it lets me pick a raid I need parts from, spend some minutes on it, then just wait a couple days for a piñata of rewards.
My main complaint with it is that it usually only has one good raid and then a bunch of lesser ones. On one hand, it’s nice that they still appeal to players not t10, but on the other hand doing it this way kinda prioritizes one of the three events over the other two. Imo, it should’ve had great sphinx and arisen rift judgement to accompany fey jorm.

[cloud ember]

The best advice is not to run party dungeons at all though, party dungeons will decrease the amount of rift mobs while not decreasing the amount of other mobs

[dreamy bobcat]

Whoa why does it decrease rift mobs

[cloud ember]

Because they're unlocked from a quest

Any monster or boss unlocked from a quest is heavily reduced when running party dungeons

[dreamy bobcat]

Crazy, ty for info

[dreamy bobcat]

Are Wyrmhunt dragons like this then?

[cloud ember]

Wymhunt dragons are unlocked by codex entries and are unrelated to quests, so they are not

[dreamy bobcat]

Doesn't the quest unlock the codex entry?

[cloud ember]

No, the event predates event quests existing. It just got one added later

If you codex them all and ignore the quest you still get access to all the dragons

[feral zealot]

Would the monumental spec help?

[cloud ember]

During a normal run of the event it very much does, but since there are so many event monsters/bosses during these events it might not help that much

[placid tulip]

Does monumental spec affect monument and dungeon mobs?

[cloud ember]

Monument no, dungeon yes

But dungeons are already so packed that you won't see much of an improvement with these current events

[merry trout]

Endless will be juicy this week

[nocturne belfry]

is the Zagreus set worth using? seems good for beo on paper

[merry trout]

For Beo, you can get the Chestplate and Leggings

[deep plinth]

am i missing something in zagreus passives or is this a bug: when i hit him for more than his total health sometimes he recovers hp and doesn't die, as if he has rhada gear on

[merry trout]

Yeah there is an hidden passive that makes him sacrifice one of his follower to survive and recover

[deep plinth]

mmmmh i think it should be in the codex, i wouldn't try to kill him first and charge his apex otherwise

[merry trout]

true, always make sure he is the last one to fall

[deep plinth]

well now i know

[warm kestrel]

Ah. That explains a lot. First time I encountered him I hit for 4m and was confused why he was still standing.

[merry trout]

Zagreus' bestial antics, heh

[faint sinew]

Any discussion on converting theta to delta fragments and vice versa? Its working great for runes of ragnarok, any reason not to implement for riftfall as well?

[dreamy bobcat]

#💡│suggestions message

[austere quail]

Dont they spawn at the same rate and from the same source

[dreamy bobcat]

Delta fragments spawn from different tier monsters

[austere quail]

ah lower tiers right

[dreamy bobcat]

Thetas spawn from different tier bosses and from tier 10 monsters. My discrepancy is because at some point I somehow forfeited charon fragments

[austere quail]

Oh and the quest line asks for 10/20/30 so if u repeat quest u get a discrepancy over time lol

[dreamy bobcat]

The summoner monsters also naturally fill monster slots with summons, so I think they're less likely to spawn? That's probably not accurate

Either way, whatever discrepancies there are could be solved by conversions

[warm kestrel]

Yeah, I noticed the discrepancy too. Even if you account for what’s used in the quest.

[warm kestrel]

So level 8 hordes are the way to go?

[dreamy bobcat]

For rhada? Still probably no, because you lose out on dungeon floors

The tier only really makes a difference if you're farming the event before t9

[warm kestrel]

Are the chances of encountering the needed mobs not higher though?

[dreamy bobcat]

Why do you think that would be the case

[warm kestrel]

The mob pool is lower. Specifically, the possible event monsters that can spawn are lower, increasing your chances that a given event monster is one that gives delta rhada frags.

And considering no event monster t9 or higher drops them, any event monster that spawns of one of those tiers is one that wouldn’t be in the pool otherwise.

[dreamy bobcat]

I guess that's true; so maybe t9 dungeons (since there's a t9 charon)

I count seven t10 event monsters removed from the pool. No clue if that is worth losing the t10 and t11 floor count

[warm kestrel]

I dunno if someone’s collected the numbers showing monster distribution in dungeons. I feel like there’s so much data people have gathered, that info is somewhere.

[sullen torrent]

It'd be nice if the friends and family event really did have all the followers/summons available, like the terra's day pets. Maybe for purchase with orns this time? 😄

[nocturne belfry]

any tips for killing the dungeon boss? He one shots me

i was gsA with 70k ward

[oblique fractal]

I've been busy the last while, but I noticed that the Alfar follower isnt part of the main WWH event?

I don't recall if it was only in the Friends & Family event before

[dreamy bobcat]

Should be during wave 4, which is when the stop scruug event is

[oblique fractal]

ahhh

[warm kestrel]

How are Rune of Huginn drops calculated? I noticed I get fewer and fewer as I kill more kingdom raids.

And does it reset every day or more frequently?

[cloud ember]

It's just random

[warm kestrel]

I don’t think that’s the case. Go kill 5 surtr’s or hel’s in a row. You will see diminishing huginn rewards

[cloud ember]

I got increasing rewards 😆

[warm kestrel]

Wtf gimme

[austere quail]

Am i going insane or did this used to have 25 floors

[ashen meteor]

Yes, you're insane

|| and also me because i remember 25 floors||

[austere quail]

these towers are mega easymode now lol

The other event spawns are in there and have no danger

[quartz pagoda]

Are we able to use darkrift keys this week as well? I crafted around 20 that I was too lazy to run and it's still an option, wondering if that is intended.

[ashen meteor]

Let it be intended please

[unkempt urchin]

This reads as intentional so I presume so

[quartz pagoda]

I'll take it.

[merry temple]

Yel gear can be obtained from the astral tree.

[ashen meteor]

And with element

[cloud ember]

Let's go gambling

[merry temple]

Well I was rolling for ornate pumpkinless legs, not sure my luck is in the right place

[cloud ember]

Week 1 I got 2 ornate Beastfelled hoods 😐

From the tree I mean

[dreamy bobcat]

Whoa astraltree gambling gave me a new item

😶

[ashen meteor]

Lucky

[cloud ember]

Yay gambling

[merry temple]

Thats uhh... solid t10 set you got

[warm kestrel]

Only thing of note that gambling got me

[merry temple]

Time to join the RS family

[warm kestrel]

Is that even good on RS?

[merry temple]

Yea, all the yel pieces are good for RS

[cerulean relic]

Hey! So Inns have not been converted for The Hallowed event.

[unkempt urchin]

Might be intentional? Seems a few aspects of other events have been changed a bit for winter wilds

[cerulean relic]

I dont know, unless they copy and pasted the info from the prior event and didnt mean to

Thats from the week 3 information

[unkempt urchin]

I don’t think any of the event texts has been modified so far afaik, wouldn’t surprise me if it was an oversight like event followers initially not being available

Clarification would be good though

[cerulean relic]

I agree. Hallowed it my most sought after event, so anything to boost its number is a plus

[unkempt urchin]

Ya after arisen pumpkinless?

[cerulean relic]

Always. Hes one stingy guy

My kc is low on him but between otherealms for him and covynn ive been rather unlucky.

It also doesnt help my anguish is lower AND he got a new drop this year

[merry temple]

I killed like 450+ on agony 27 and above, 4-5 ornate chests 0 ornate legs. Up to 650 kills

[unkempt urchin]

Jeez

Y’all are making me realize my luck to get a 200 legging at 141 kills

[merry temple]

That is some great luck. I've had my share with luck, especially with yel, but pumpkinless is very stingy

[unkempt urchin]

Yel has been selectively generous for me but it was what I wanted anyways so

[cerulean relic]

Im hoping I have some as well with Yel. I was afraid of not being strong enough (just picked up celestial towards the beginning of last month) so I never ran any

[unkempt urchin]

Yel towers are much less of a risk now that the pool isn’t purely dragons

[cerulean relic]

Im sorry! That is really rough. I have only 50 and I think my best so far is a 141 chest

[cerulean relic]

Oh yeah I imagine that helps. I think also finally having dorado is gonna help a lot too for the early turns where I am the weakest I can be

[fossil junco]

I also haven't seen any trick or treat riftbreaks either.

Not sure if others have seen them.

[oblique fractal]

I had one in my OT, last hour or the hour before.

[reef minnow]

I got 1,5k rhadas and not a singular Arisen greatshield above 180

[cyan yarrow]

Darkrift dungeons with dragons: isn't it better to restrict mob spawn just to the ones related to event themed content?

[merry trout]

Nah, it's a combo event

[cunning cipher]

For those having trouble with Yel tower I found the hack!

Took me a while to realise it.

[warm kestrel]

Then ymir hits you with a Biden blast and you wonder what went wrong.

[cunning cipher]

lol wut? But this helped me get through a lot compared to not passing the gate keepers

[reef minnow]

Yep, Yelm tower is still not fun.
But i need that Ornate.
Time for torture!

[warm kestrel]

I’m just messing around. Drag res is incredibly useful, just note that Ymir uses a lot of non-drag attacks, which, when combined with the respective blight, can nuke.

[austere quail]

Its much better now, i did my 5 origin town towers and only fought 1 dragon horde each 😂

[quartz pagoda]

The -5 floors is welcome, I'll have to see if some of the full ridiculous dragon packs are still there.

Is Drakeblight still in random chests?

[rotund trench]

So easier AND less fights? Sounds like early Xmas gifts - maybe I should grind yel for some higher ornates 🤔

[austere quail]

Debuffs are still in chests yeah

[cyan yarrow]

That is exactly the issue.
Dedicated event buildings that include combo content: terrible idea.

[warm kestrel]

It’s chaotic and I love it

[cloud ember]

Every event has 1-2 dedicated months to farm it. The wild hunts are not dedicated to any specific event and farming any specific event during them isn't really the point

Just try to enjoy the chaos

[oblique fractal]

Monuments be good this week holyyyy

[warm kestrel]

How so? And are you able to fight Lotran yet or is that still ahead?

[cloud ember]

His standards for good monuments are low

He's got:

• T4 Alfar
• Frightening Skeleton
• Ghost
• Scary Skeleton
• Skeleton
• Witch
• Spooky Ghost

[warm kestrel]

Oh right, he’s got all the trick or treaters!

[reef minnow]

Just farm melancholy!

[fossil junco]

The festive scrolls can be any raid that isn't a super-raid right?

So could potentially get pumpkinless from it right now?

[cloud ember]

Pumpkinless is a super raid, but you're in luck because they can be straight up any raid

[fossil junco]

oh cool

[warm kestrel]

Monumental cannot be super raid. Festive can.

[fossil junco]

ah

[quartz pagoda]

Feedback on dragon towers: they are bearable because other event mobs are diluting beefy dragon packs like crazy. As said above, the -5 floors is welcome and at present they are okay... but it is very obvious that this is temporary.

I still see the 3x bashe packs and the ymir/2x bashe/2x gorynych packs, it looks like nothing related to their stat scaling was touched, and Drakeblight is still in chests. I am hoping that this "sweep the issues onto the sidelines with other content" setup is intentional and that there are further plans for the next full event, because it is going to be no less miserable if the only change ends up being -5 floors.

[dreamy bobcat]

I am opposed to making the towers even easier

[quartz pagoda]

Phil if you are thinking of giving the "dragon towers are lategame content" spiel, then please just don't.

None of the problems have been solved, unless the plan is to always dilute the problems away.

[dreamy bobcat]

Not sure what problems you are referring to

[quartz pagoda]

I'll leave that discussion for the next time wyrmhunt comes around. Go to the archived wyrmhunt feedback topic in discussion threads if you want to see what I was complaining about then.

[dreamy bobcat]

I'd rather not dig up old threads in search of complaining 😂

[reef minnow]

Is not about difficulty, is about fun. While towers are fun, yelm towers are not. Abyssmal reward for time spent, weird chest items, extremely HP bloated enemy groups, and all to fight THE most badly designed superboss in the existance of orna, that constantly spams ward and drags out the fight insanely, while occasionally using super high damage moves which you have to rely on amitys against to make the fight EVEN SLOWER.

You only ever do it for the gear, which is too amazing to pass. Its not fun. Its not a challenge. Its just dragged out for all the worst of reasons...

It really is not about making it easier, its about not making it the most frustrating and unfun piece of content currently in the game.

[fallen gust]

I've seen people mention that the Yelbeghen fight isn't fun and it made me think that everyone is forgetting Hyperion, who can be just as bad and you can't even cheese him with Doom.

The only (major) difference is that we aren't required to climb a dragon-infested tower to reach him, and that seems to be what makes one event's new content/boss fight more enjoyable than the other.

Items for Hyperion's scroll can also be used for different purposes, whereas we can't even collect heads as we climb up to Yelbeghen.

[dreamy bobcat]

I enjoy the content and it's quite fast for me. If you struggle to deal damage quickly enough, that's a build/power issue

It's the type of fight that is a DPS check, plain and simple

[fallen gust]

Not an issue for me, just an observation. They aren't the first person I've seen mention that they don't enjoy fighting Yelb because of the Ward spam, which is aggarvated by it having Avidity and blighting you so often.

[reef minnow]

Im having fun against hyperion. He is what Yelm should be, but yelm got all the bad stuff roided up, and then beeing put at a position where death has actual, serious consequnces instead of "eh, gimme 15 mins and 0 costs whatsoever"

Also Hyperion has his dud skills, and his dc has a change to fail etc, he has bad RNG built in. Yelm is just annoying and toxic

[fallen gust]

Good points. Hyperion hits hard af though haha, but the chance for Titan's Power to fail, etc. does make a difference. Two similarly themed event bosses but very different feels from them.

[reef minnow]

Hyperion is fun, and can screw you, but he can also just cast WoO for 50 turns or titans defense or however its called 10 times in a row and then fail 2 DCs. His ward pool is very much smaller regenerated too.

Its a really fun fight, it can go either way but it will go one way heavily. Its super cool.

Yelm does not do any of the things right; its always just a million ward per turn, and when you're buffed up then oop gonna cast my big move so you spend time building back up which i annoy you with my free ward turns. And then i get avidity and get even more ward for free.

Yelm feels like a gilga hercules with complete dot immunity who dual wields prom feet celestial axes and randomly can cast SS3 at any time if he feels like you dont deserve his loot.

Cool idea for a raidboss with zero consequences if it steamrolls you. But its a fight at a very delicate spot designed to frustrate you until you make a bad, impatient decision, and then screws you over.

[dreamy bobcat]

If Yelm is this difficult/frustrating, perhaps try a different strategy than you have been trying. As I said I have no difficulty with him

[reef minnow]

Not difficult, just tedious and frustrating cause it feels bloated.

What strategy are you using then?

[dreamy bobcat]

If Yelm is tedious and frustrating, that's because it is taking long because it is difficult. I used to use Ultima/Ultima2, now I use Omniflask

Big nukes that easily overcome his ward are simple solutions

If Yelm can "oneshot you whenever he wants" and you are getting walled by his ward recovery, that certainly sounds like a difficult fight to me

[warm kestrel]

I think the yelm fight could be more interesting if the dragonblights were more interesting. Rather than the only way to get rid of them being drake blood, it would be nice if it forced a different gameplay loop, like maybe making you use that specific element type to purge the debuff. This isn’t a big complain, though. Also, stop the ward of bone spam.

Overall, I do like Yelm towers, but I also agree that some of the groupings feel spongy. Having negatives in the chest rewards would be more interesting if:

1. you could counter them with immunity, which would require using an armor or accessory slot that you would otherwise use on something else
   And/or
2. if one of the detriments you could get wasn’t a detriment that skips turns. Drakeblight is either a minor inconvenience or a full stop run ender depending on your luck and I hate that.

As for the random one shots, having the 80% drag res amity is super helpful. Avidity on yelm can be annoying though.

[rotund trench]

Yel tower is one of the few events (except shackled Anguish in general), where I had to think about my strategy. So I don't like making it more casual. Instead I would like to see more of this.

For example, for abyssal dungeons or dragon event dungeons, I also had to adjust my build a bit, but only to run it shackled with mel16, so that's really not comparable.

[opaque perch]

My small nick pick if it's even that

Is how bad the alfar summons are lol, for a 2-handed weapon, can we make them function at least? 😭 remove slow+ from their movepool preferably

( for reference alfar summons spam slow+ as much as chimera will spam miasma )

[sand ocean]

My personal issue with yel event is less the tower since I can lower anguish and reliably make it through (yes even though the final fight is rough and slow I can still consistently beat it at least) but rather grinding through boss horde dungeons and praying you dont get stomped by multiple ymirs floor one or my personal favorite being berserk ymir

With that particular part of the event being so time consuming its kinda impossible to even think about the rest of week 3 as well, granted thank you team for dropping the floor count by 5

[rotund trench]

For wild hunt, yel tower indeed has some very heavy requirements. However, my take is that all events should be balanced around "normal" event weeks.

[reef minnow]

There are fights that are hard, and fun. Like hippogryph.

And there are fights that are not hard, but not fun designed, like yelm.

I don't know what to tell you, i died against yelm once, no more; its just by far the worst designed fight i can think of. I dont see difficulty. Thats like saying going from ascension 200 to 201 is harder then 100 to 101, but all it is is easier cause you're way stronger, you just take longer.

Im fine with something difficulty, but HP bloated enemys in quick content leading into a bossfight that is just spamming ward ward ward is not fun, entertaining, hardy thrilling, or anything else but dull and a frustrating grind.

[warm kestrel]

I will say, gathering 15 heads isn't as bad as I thought it would be in the first two days, but it still feels like a lot. I need to devote a LOT of time to dungeons just to get enough keys to run through my 5 towers for the day.

[rotund trench]

Before yel was introduced, you would probably still run dungeons for high qualityJoCs, but I agree that probably with less "pressure".

[reef minnow]

I spent a loooong time grinding riftfall keys; they at least are a bit self-sustaining, and in generally, everything wyrmhunt does wrong riftfall managed to do right, so there might be hope in the horizon.

[reef minnow]

I have to say that was'nt super fun either; but because of Ymirs reasonable power, the design worked. Applying that to a raid is frustrating

Ymir takes 3 turns to regenerate half of the HP yelm does if he feels like it, if avidity procs maybe even feels twice

[warm kestrel]

To be honest, I was expecting Ymir to be more difficult than he turned out to be. I dunno if it's just because Hera Ara naturally deals with Ymir or what, but I haven't had any trouble against it.

[rotund trench]

For me the fun is mainly playing shackled. I know that you don't like it, but that's where you have to optimize your builds. Now I usually 1- shot ymir, but it was fun to adjust the build a bit to the event.

[reef minnow]

I play shackled in mel, agony and despair.

Ymir is fun if its a real fight.

But again, its next to no risk. With yelm its the position, and that towers are usually fast paced content. It does'nt feel good; yelm is designed too frustratingly. I dont mind spending forever on a raid, because there is no consequences of losing. Towers are way too delicate with their cooldowns and how annoying it is to farm the yelm keys to have yelm there

[rotund trench]

Ah OK, I assumed you play unshackled because you argued pretty hard against shackles when it was introduced. 😂

[reef minnow]

I argued against it because i didn't have a realistic option to play unshackled, and it was a lose lose situation. It never was the concept of shackles, it was how they were forced upon you 😂

Passive aggressive emoji BS aside, shackles were a fun idea. But they were introduced in a way that denied a lot of players, and it was'nt fun. So ofc i wanted a better experience for everybody, and not a 95% reward reduction because ascensions came too early and ang 2.0 too late.

[dreamy bobcat]

Not dying is not a metric of difficulty. Anyone can build to not die; like I said, it's a build issue if your goal is to not die, but you don't deal enough damage and you still die sometimez

[reef minnow]

Then again, what strategy are you using?

[dreamy bobcat]

I already aswered @reef minnow

[austere quail]

its stasisable so u can always do that, stops it from doing anything

[quartz pagoda]

What level of anguish are you talking here? I'm also someone who enjoys trying to play shackled, but I'm seeing the limits of my character in a few places.

When dragon towers dropped, I was up to torment 9 shackled with 0 difficulties in normal towers; I literally couldn't do dragon towers at that level without a dragon resist Amity and dragon element SS3 at that time. It wasn't challenging, it was just over the top tedious.

On a side note, I will never understand this sentiment of "don't make dragon towers easier" or whatever. The meta when these towers dropped was to farm them at anguish 1 because 3 of the event dragons scale like an arisen mammon; if you lower the base difficulty, the only thing that will happen is players can engage it at a reasonable anguish level.

I remember seeing a BeoH at over 120Als theory crafting how to turn one kill ymirs at something like anguish 4 back in the summer; the fact that this was even a thing showed me how utterly putridly bad the event design was at the time.

[dreamy bobcat]

It's putridly bad design that an endgame enemy in endgame event content isn't meant to be killed on the first turn?

[quartz pagoda]

No, it is putridly bad design that endgame players can completely invalidate the difficulty of and everyone else gets to slog through it because putting 3-5 arisen mammons in an encounter is somehow acceptable.

I recall Tubb getting somewhere around 400 kills and saying the difficulty was fine... I learned later he was around 200ALs. Suddenly it made way more sense.

[dreamy bobcat]

What do you mean invalidate the difficulty? ALs?

[quartz pagoda]

Yes, having raw stats to slam down a group of hyperscaling bosses.

I'll level with you Phil, I don't want this content to lack challenge... but if I pop down to anguish 1 to farm something quick and in my relative lategame status still have instances where I can be killed out of nowhere, then the content is simply not in line with anything else in the game.

[dreamy bobcat]

It's not meant to be in line with the rest of the game. That's why people call it endgame content

[quartz pagoda]

...

This is one of the dumbest things I have heard on this topic.

I better see you asking for groups of arisen mammons in every event monster cycle.

[dreamy bobcat]

Some level of power creep is inevitable, especially when you consider the infinite nature of ALs. You can't just make new content that always has the same power level enemies and same power level rewards

[quartz pagoda]

you can make new content where the only way to do it at "appropriate" level (shackled) isn't SS3.

this is called bad design.

Why are there no 5 arisen mammon groups in current towers? because it is bad design.

Why is it suddenly acceptable to allow this bad design into other areas of the game?

"because it is late game" is the worst hand wave I've seen on this forum. I said it in the past and I'm saying it now.

[dreamy bobcat]

1. That's literally just an opinion on game design
2. That's not the only way to do it shackled

[quartz pagoda]

"Well, that's just your opinion, man"

okay

I apologize for believing I could have a reasonable conversation with you.

[dreamy bobcat]

You're being overly defensive about this. You are making the claim that it's "just bad design" and I'm pointing out that your opinion is not necessarily reality

[quartz pagoda]

No, you are saying "your opinion is wrong" and hiding behind it being an opinion. Tell me why it is wrong; give me a point on what you believe should be a reasonable HP threshold for scaling event boss mobs, give me something on why it's okay because of some preparation you can do that I missed, give me something based in reality.

Don't just say "nah you are wrong" and act like I'm some sort of moron.

[dreamy bobcat]

I did literally none of that 🤷‍♂️

[quartz pagoda]

"That's literally just an opinion on game design"

apparently I can't read or something, my bad.

[dreamy bobcat]

Yeah, that's very distinctly not "your opinion is wrong" You're reading into it but it's not what I said

[quartz pagoda]

when someone says "that's just your opinion" and doesn't elaborate, it means they are ignoring said opinion.

[dreamy bobcat]

You are welcome to think that, but it's not the case here

[quartz pagoda]

Okay, we are getting somewhere. Tell me why you think having 3-5 arisen mammon scale bosses in several encounters is justifiable then.

and do not just say "it's lategame"

[dreamy bobcat]

Arisen mammon is a base game boss that's tbh more lethal than Ymir. It's not meant to be the same difficulty as endgame event enemies, and thus is not in normal towers.

You don't get 3-5 Ymir in tower packs

[rotund trench]

Ah, small misunderstanding. I can of course only 1 shot ymir in Dungeons (fully buffed), not in tower. But even in Dungeons, dragons and also abyss event dungeons, required some trial&adjustment for me (mel16 shackled).

For towers, I am only Ang 9 or 10. Raids are a different thing. Agony 27 or so, but I play always duo raids with a friend. Already for 2 years now almost no solo raids - but this is unfortunately the only content where party play makes sense (alts are different thing).

[quartz pagoda]

My dude. I literally said earlier, in a post around something you responded to, that there is a pack that is 1x ymir, 2x bashe, 2x gorynych. All of them hit as hard or harder than arisen mammon and killing them in 1 turn is not an option unless you are way below your weight in anguish and have all tower buffs.

saying "they are not as hard as arisen mammon" is splitting hairs level semantics because they are that level of threat.

[dreamy bobcat]

I don't really agree with that, but ok. They also are not really close to the same hp level

[quartz pagoda]

Phil, I'm trying here. "that's just your opinion", "I don't agree but okay", with this level of sincerity I can only see you as some sort of terrible troll.

I'll go back to waiting until next wyrmhunt to discuss this, I'm wasting my time here.

[elder lodge]

Feels like this is more of a yelm exclusive problem so yeah hold your guns until next Wyrmhunt 😂

[dreamy bobcat]

Sorry, do you want me to say "you're wrong" instead of "I don't agree"?

You're acting like I'm being unreasonable for stating my opinion lol

[quartz pagoda]

I'll be happy for you to tell me I'm wrong if you actually said why.

If you don't want to discuss it, just say so.

[dreamy bobcat]

I did say why. They aren't close to the same hp level

[quartz pagoda]

And what HP levels are those?

As much as I want to spend a few more second googling orna codex ymir and getting the exact numbers, it's clear you don't want to put any level of effort into this discussion.

[rotund trench]

I don't think that mammons are more difficult. They are just more random encounters, so you wouldn't expect a lot of them. If there were a mammon event tower, I would simply adjust my build to the content with an 80% arcance amity.

[quartz pagoda]

Now what if there were 5 of them?

[rotund trench]

With 20% damage per Mammon? Doable I guess

[quartz pagoda]

It would be no less difficult, it would just take much more time to get it down.

[dreamy bobcat]

Gory, Bashe, then Ymir

[quartz pagoda]

That is what the dragon towers are; massive walls of HP x3 to x5.

[dreamy bobcat]

Literally more than 2x the difference HP

[elder lodge]

Tell that to summoners lol 😂 at least dragons don't have AoE skills

[rotund trench]

True, but I know that drel is beo. For summoners it would be impossible 😂

[quartz pagoda]

Thank you. Now we can get to the main point of my discussion, that being that bashe/gorynych/ymir have far too much HP to do anything aoe related to on turn 1, or even turn 2... unless you have hundreds of AL.

The saving grace is that there is only 1 ymir per pack, and so the difference in HP between them and the other two hyperscaling dragon bosses is that you need to spend 1 more turn cleaning him up.

If I was on torment 10, I would throw my hands up into the air and say, "Okay. I am clearly being stupid by trying to AOE these", but they still have absurd stats on torment 1.

This event is divided between "those who can aoe bashe in 1 turn, or safely in 2 turns without worrying about statuses" and everyone else.

[dreamy bobcat]

You're kinda just ignoring the wealth of options Orna has for fighting enemies and saying "If I can't turn 1 kill them, it's bad design"

[quartz pagoda]

No, I'm saying I don't want to invest 10x the time per fight on torment 1.

I still ran 70+ towers back in the summer and it burnt me out for a month.

[dreamy bobcat]

10x the time when most fights are 1 second long is not saying much

This is not some big step up in difficulty. Just adapt your strategy

[quartz pagoda]

the strategy is "build less glass cannon, get slapped with mountains of status while buffing, hit walls of ward until they all die"

you either kill them turn 1 or you spend an eternity sitting around being annoyed.

like I said, if I was trying this at torment 10 I would concede that I'm being stupid.

[dreamy bobcat]

That's not my experience 🤷‍♂️ try other stuff

[quartz pagoda]

And your experience is?

[dreamy bobcat]

I have no issue nuking them turn 1 with ara vestaga on heretic

[quartz pagoda]

AL? anguish level?

[dreamy bobcat]

77, I don't usualy run higher torment shackled with them of course - too much of a time loss

Not every content is meant to be efficient at shackled anguish lol

[quartz pagoda]

What torment level specifically?

[dreamy bobcat]

I have 15 atm, been running 5 unshackled I believe

I wanted to bump it up since it was a bit too easy

[quartz pagoda]

and you are saying you just straight kill off Bashe/gorynych in one cast at unshackled torment 5? Is this with tower buffs?

[dreamy bobcat]

No tower buffs to avoid drakeblight. Vestaga kills everything besides Ymir usually, I like to run DoF to secure the kills

[quartz pagoda]

Wait, which one is vestaga? I'm realizing I don't remember most of the hera kit. let me look this up.

[dreamy bobcat]

Full AoE, I use sigil stormflask along with it

[elder lodge]

Basically turn 1 sigil storm flask for weaknesses on everything, then turn 2 OHKO, and then charge the flasks on easy strays

[dreamy bobcat]

I could dedicate my build to it and probably oneshot everything, but it'd be slower on the rest of the fights since I wouldn't be using BL2

[quartz pagoda]

Okay, I'm understanding now that this is a heretic specific aoe blast strat. Beo can't replicate this, I think the most BeoH can do is buff on turn 1 and hope for no statuses with BL2 on turn 2, or block statuses and build even tankier because we aren't killing a Bashe with that until turn 3.

[dreamy bobcat]

BeoH is turn 1-centric. Have you tried BeoA?

[quartz pagoda]

It's 1000% worse.

[dreamy bobcat]

Or tried using yelmogus thinblade instead of BL2 for the dragon weakness

[quartz pagoda]

does less damage unless you have a 40% CD/30% dragon damage amity.

I've legit tried it all except for swash, which I don't have the gear for and would probably get me killed even on anguish 1.

[dreamy bobcat]

Maybe 40/20% weakness too. Either way - I gotta go. There are options out there and if your current strat isn't working, maybe focus on what you can do to change instead of asking for the difficulty to be lowered even more

[quartz pagoda]

My dude the only thing I haven't tried is having 40% CD/15% damage at full amities.

[dreamy bobcat]

I bet some tanky version of BeoA does okay. Or just a higher damage version of BeoH, idk what your build it but beoH should be doing really well

[quartz pagoda]

no, BeoA is currently worthless here.

Please trust me when I say that.

[dreamy bobcat]

👍 gl finding a better strat! I gotta head out

[quartz pagoda]

I've gone down a middle road with base Beo and it's still slow.

If I hadn't tried everything other than "just get godlike amities" I would not be complaining here.

[elder lodge]

What about trying...

Another class? 👀

[quartz pagoda]

As much as it wouldn't be too much of an issue to hoc for a month, it's just surrendering to the notion of this event being badly designed.

At that point I'd rather just never interact with the event ever again and be happy with my barely ornate greatstaff.

[rotund trench]

Base beo can use bl2 and is dragon immune

@quartz pagoda

[elder lodge]

I agree but also having access to HoCs make it so players have the option to choose a more "efficient" class (like GSA for endless )

[rotund trench]

I think I used this for anguished yel towers during summer. Currently I don't do yel towers because of @dreamy bobcat (farming orns with gsa endless instead, before it will be nerfed 😉 )

[quartz pagoda]

This was my strategy last time when I was trying to stay on torment 6 unshackled out of pure stubbornness, I was AL50-60 at the time and I rarely ended battles before my 3 starting ward turns were over. it was in no uncertain terms a slog.

Don't get me wrong, it was kind of neat to try optimizing and end up legitimately using steward gwyllgi for its BB3 berserk... but it got old very fast.

[rotund trench]

For me it's just the type of small competition that I like: can I do the content with anguish? Maybe shackled?
Is this efficient? For sure not. Satisfying if you find a way? Yes, definitely 😁
I guess I have the same type of stubbornness in me 😂

But of course not for hundreds of yel towers. However, I still dislike to use proofs for anything but pushing anguish (still not there where I want to be). Instead I want anguished drops

[quartz pagoda]

I was (correctly) looked at as some sort of crazy person for running it on anguish 6 for so long back in the summer.

[rotund trench]

I would call it "dedicated" 😂

[quartz pagoda]

Regardless, if I'm capable of doing that then I should be able to crank down the difficulty, say "I surrender" and do it quickly. Imagine my surprise when I found out that I couldn't take off the dragon resist amity on torment 1, lest Bashe packs could still murder me on turn 1.

I've now learned that some classes uniquely don't care about these stats and can just blast things with tiny extra setup, but for the beo line we still sit at the crossroads of "just get an overwhelming amount of stats or change class"

[rotund trench]

And I always opened the chests. Until at least 2 positive buffs. Just because I wanted it that way 😂

[quartz pagoda]

What I'm curious about now is this: is it unacceptable for an Al70 BeoH with a decent BL2 setup (low ornate yelm greatstaff, normal 40% CD amities) to 1-shot Bashes on torment 1 with no chest buffs?

I ran a few dragon towers earlier, I can sometimes 1-shot Bashes on very early floors with no chest buffs but that stops as I climb floors. Do I open chests? If I pull a drakeblight I must now take off a 40% crit damage amity or risk death every time bashe is in a battle.

[rotund trench]

Yeah, I just looked at an old screenshot. I also used beoh/BL2 with 2x40% crit and switched to 80% amity if I found dragon blight.

[quartz pagoda]

I'd say I'm at the point of progress where if I am screwing around on torment 1, I should be destroying everything without resistance... but somehow dragon towers still present me with the possibility of being miserable.

[rotund trench]

You are too used to 1-shot everything. The tower has less floors, so needing sometimes 2 (or 3) shots should still be OK 😉

It is still a bit faster than normal towers

[quartz pagoda]

In order to continue 1-shotting things, you quickly walk the path of turning into a complete glass cannon; just tanking up a bit or getting status resists immediately makes battles take much longer.

[rotund trench]

I know. I often use Aaru hood 😄

(when everybody recommends fey menja)

[quartz pagoda]

It would be different if BeoH had real defensive options, but it doesn't. Beo loses too much front-facing power to do things quickly and BeoA is non-existant because Selene's lunarstrikes get immuned by every t9+ event dragon (or was it resist? can't remember).

Yep, they immune holy.

So my options to do this quickly and safely on torment 1 are: just get more ALs, just get godly amities, anguish up some swash pieces and see if that makes any difference for a thinblade setup, or change classes.

[rotund trench]

Beoh is still very good for town 1 Damage, so the other classes probably have even more trouble.

Thinblade can only be better with 40/30 amities. But only if you don't have 40/15 for BL2 (I have none of them)

[quartz pagoda]

That is exactly why I don't want to even bother trying to anguish anything up... I have no such godlike amities.

[rotund trench]

That's for 2026 😄

[quartz pagoda]

I'll stop now, I've ranted enough. Anyways, Richard what did you mean when you said "before GSA gets nerfed"? is there something in the works for that now?

[rotund trench]

Just a big discussion of gsa endless:
https://discord.com/channels/448527960056791051/1449963223724855448
I don't know if it will be nerfed, but NF will probably not talk about it before a potential nerf 🤷

[quartz pagoda]

Ah, thanks for pointing that out.

[rotund trench]

Need some sleep. Bye!

[austere quail]

Good time to do yel towers now, seems like theres 0 dragon spawns for this week 😂

The easiest its going to get

[fossil junco]

[warm kestrel]

Oh, I didn’t think the event being inactive meant they wouldn’t event spawn in the towers.

I managed to get a 15th Zeltys head while my plane took off and barely snagged one more key.

[austere quail]

And the yel tower battles drop memory fragments for the giants event too

Very cool

[fossil junco]

oh nice

Glad I planned on waiting till this week to finish up the yel towers then

Also

It feels so weird how fast dungeons are going now that Ymir isn't everywhere 😂