#Astraltrees

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wind spruce
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Anyway, I just want to stress how I find this game to be incredible, which is the only reason why the current new player experience saddens me a bit

It doesn't affect me too much because of the kind of player I am and the help I'm getting, but I still believe it doesn't do a very good job at retaining new players as it can also be seen through the various complaints on this very server - but I'm sure you have much more data than me

It's a shame because I think a bigger player influx (and them staying more) would be very beneficial and healthy for the game

I could write an extensive feedback once I get to 250 and have the whole picture if you might be interested in that

I also apologize if I seemed heated or anything negative earlier on, it wasn't my intention

delicate merlin
restive nova
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The new daily to finish a monument will get new players into monuments. Ignoring the time it takes to find them, they are objectively very good for exp/orns. Personally, when I started the game and discovered how good monements were for exp/orns, it made me walk and explore the city I'm in a lot more than I had done before I had picked up the game. The old daily system was particularly onerous with the rewards that reset at midnight and I totally ignored them. I kept playing for the joy of exploring the world... each week finding the monuments (and then towers at t9). I even started taking my wife out to eat more to check for monuments and towers. So, I can now credit the game for helping my health, with more walking, and even for helping my marriage 🤣

What other RPG can say that? This is a great game overall, but, imo, the GPS world exploration aspect of the game is the thing that really holds onto new players in an extremely saturated game market. It did for me, at least.

whole oxide
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You've never gotten deep endless then endless actually takes knowledge and knowing when you need to use this vs this my endless run consist of more buttons than my raid load out and horde dungeon load out not including the buffs required before you actually run. Terra seal 3 for dragon immune viperseal 3 for the majority of the run when pen becomes an issue a trielement skill when zerk apex damage skill when tank is needed apex def res skill. raids are ward of ort gunnr mimics wyvern speed spike shield 3 occasional wol3 dungeons are a single button with the occasional apex or extra buff. Endless takes more engagement than raids or dungeons

lost prairie
opaque onyx
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You get rewarded while you do the content for the tree. We used to not even have the tree. It is a net positive.

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Also the game rewards investment so I think its fine for new players to see t10 folks talking about all the fun stuff. It was very motivating for me. I wanted to get involved so I worked hard to get there.

coarse echo
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Big discussion here today

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Good read

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We reached the same point 😂

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I still believe giving gold piles at t11 is a waist of everyone's time tho

lost prairie
coarse echo
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Yey one astral seed for thematic filler 🔥

lost prairie
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I hope there's more ways to spend gold.

Then the gold pile is relevant.

opaque onyx
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if there wasn't thematic nodes we'd just get seeds slower

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it's irrelevent to me personally

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sometimes I'm looking at different paths and those lower-value nodes influence my decision so it's fine

green socket
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Interesting early-game discussion!

Came here to say it might be nice if early tiers had tier-appropriate mat ascension branches, even if they are small ones with different types of mats than would be found in later tiers (stone, wood, bone are great choices!).

It would be nice to be able to upgrade items at lower tiers without running into problems later. Especially nice for those of us with permanently restrained alts that like to make the best lower-tier characters we can make!

Astraltrees has me playing all of my characters more than I have in a long time! Early-tier Orna is so fun!

safe estuary
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On the early game note, it would be nice if an ornate item node was accessible at t1. Currently I believe there is no way to spend constellation seeds as a t1.

Quite enjoying the astral trees! Definitely like the quality over quantity approach.

coarse echo
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well unless you're doing expless stuff you won't be t1 by the time you get your first constelation seed

oblique dock
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Even if doing expless stuff, getting RoRs in t1 is complicated, and you will still not be t1 for very long due to how little the exp requirement is down there

safe estuary
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Still need better boots haha

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It’s a very silly challenge, I know haha

lost prairie
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How you get expless at level? I'm intrigued

green socket
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It's such a fun challenge to stay low-levelled long enough to see what kinds of cool items can be found at lower levels for cool builds!

Even if not doing an expless build, it can be a good idea to level intentionally to avoid growing faster than it's possible to gain orns.

That has gotten a lot easier to avoid with followers costing gold instead of orns, but still. One wrong class choice could mean a lot of work to rebuild the orn stockpile and afford the next class or class line.

green socket
green socket
# lost prairie How you get expless at level? I'm intrigued

Not sure I fully understand the question, but equipping two rings of restraint reduces your exp gain significantly so you can stay at low levels for a longer period of time. They are available at shops (rare), they drop from mimics (even more rare) and maaaaybe a quest.

Others can give a much more thorough explanation, but those are some easy basics.

Ring of Restraint also gives small bonuses to orns, luck (item drop), and gold that scale with the quality of the ring of restraint, which makes it a little easier to find good-quality items and gather in-game currencies. It is difficult to find a good quality ring of restraint, though. Lots of RNG luck needed for that.

safe estuary
lost cloak
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T1 dont have access to a weekly quest, so they're not really meant to have Const Seeds.

upper girder
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Luck required. I ran three boss horde and got a total of two that day. With two more from running two towers. Given the variety of T10 bosses, and only about 20 faced (levels 16-22) in a T10 horde, that's not unexpected.

whole oxide
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Still no luck required because you can run multiple bosses they take 3 mins if done properly

lost prairie
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Someone mention that from the aspect hatching, you can get 20-25 astral seeds per day.

Is there a limit on seeds got from hatching or ppl can just get it infinitely?

lost prairie
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I just realize it's only for new aspect. If it's an upgrade, you don't get the seed.

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Also the double astral seed events doesn't double astral seed gotten from the aspect.

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There is no astral seeds or is just random in the pool?

delicate merlin
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It’s 50% chance

lost prairie
# delicate merlin It’s 50% chance

Ah that's chance. Ok now this is different, because someone mention to me that they get 25 seed max per day from the aspect.

So 50% chance. That's better.

opaque current
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Weekend bonus is cool

runic marten
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is there a difference in reward for ornate items nodes of different tiers ?

wind spruce
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How do rewards actually scale?
Both rewards are T10, however the first pic is from a level 230ish account and the second is from a level 250. Do they scale with level?

Also, do they keep scaling in real time or is the value fixed at whatever your tier/level is at the time of reset? I got several levels since when I took the first screenshot but the value didn't change

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lost prairie
lost prairie
wind spruce
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That would be very bad imho

lost prairie
wind spruce
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It would be very bad if the values only update on reset

lost prairie
wind spruce
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It looks like it's the case

whole oxide
wind spruce
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It's the contrary

restive nova
wind spruce
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It's the first time I've seen it in millions and I'm not even 250

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Not sure what it's based on then, thought it was level/AL but that it only increased on reset

humble sun
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Al 100

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wind spruce
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Yikes

lost prairie
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I got 7 million before. I think there's a range.

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And the range might be huge.

lost prairie
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@humble sun I suspect it scales with anguish level.

humble sun
lost prairie
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Ok yours higher. So it's not anguish lvl.

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It's really random then....

wind spruce
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The more I look into it, the less I understand, the more I think it needs changes

lost prairie
wind spruce
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If it's actually RNG, even just the range being 300k - 6m+ (that we know of so far) is extremely negative

lost prairie
wind spruce
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That's definitely not the case

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Or at least that's what I hope because T1 values are much lower than 300k

tawny venture
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Highest ive had so far, 7.8m

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zenith jacinth
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Lower limit of orn found?

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wind spruce
zenith jacinth
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It feels like I'm missing a node, max orn is usually 1 below the astraltree boost

wind spruce
zenith jacinth
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So I'm just the lucky guy to find a new low, Merry Christmas to me I guess

wind spruce
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#ReworkAstraltrees

royal rock
wind spruce
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Plenty of things, extensively talked about some of them above, cedrjc just showed one of them

royal rock
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Its the fun to check and decide each reset

wind spruce
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The game definitely has enough RNG already, it doesn't need to be a gambling addict paradise

royal rock
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An Ornate has a 1/200 chance which was a 1/31 chance to be of max stats.

Als the 99% hit cap, random crits, status effect %turntake, avidity, colleteral%, deity tbuff%, PETS, Dungeons have a pool of enemys of which any can be chosen, berserk chance... All i can brainstorm.

It literally is already.

Nothing in this game is real skill, nothing in this game is not random.

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If you want a game that has ANYTHING to do with skill, and not just try to find the least random strategy and pray... Oh boy you will not like Orna.

wind spruce
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Not sure why everything has to be that extreme
RNG makes sense at times, can be part of skill-based games and can also be a bad game design in certain cases
There's enough to strategize around already, we don't need a number to randomly go from 125k to 10m
It's not the only flaw anyway

royal rock
# wind spruce Not sure why everything has to be that extreme RNG makes sense at times, can be...

Its fun the way it is; but the name of the game is randomness, everything you do is several dicerolls at once and is come up with a build and pray RNG works in your favor.
I wouldnt at all say the astraltrees are more random, if anything, they are less random.

I like them how they are; i kinda wish the demonworking tools wouldnt cost an entire weekly seed as they are definitely not worth it, even at low anguish, but still, its not on a scale i would actively complain about at all

opaque onyx
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i pay for them here and there - 'definitely not worth' is subjective

fast tree
opaque onyx
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If you max out seeds you can do both tho

mortal pendant
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I think it would be better if there were 3 crucible and 1 pathspur
We barely use pathspurs, and always in need for more crucibles

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velvet nest
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1st ss made 29th of December and 2nd one - today, on 1st of January. Why my goals progress resets?

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Also, why does it counts as Daily goal, completing Weekly goal on 1st ss?

green socket
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I noticed goals progress reset as well. It's probably because of the change to the new year.

I would guess this is not intentional - sometimes changes in year or time (daylight savings) can break things unexpectedly.

willow ridge
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But it looks like they adjusted it so it goes until Sunday and all weekly goals should be possible at least

humble sun
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honestly we got an extra constellation seed can we be angry? I'll take it