The Hallowed (2025)

[unkempt ingot]

We might finally use cleric as a support now

Ofc uh the healing needs to be fixed lol

300% healing would make it more worth

[teal jolt]

What is the point of monument if not all monster spawned in monument 😐 behead no where to be found on the monument, or tower

[unkempt ingot]

Beheaded are locked to their exclusive dungeons

To my knowledge

[sharp trail]

I've tried that and it didn't do shit, show poof it works like that please
I must be doing something wrong

Ohhhh, it works now

I guess it was bugged the first day

[unkempt ingot]

Dw it seems bugged still well the 300% healing I have yet to see work lol

[sharp trail]

I tried using it when I got it while it was maybe a few hours into it and it just used.... But did it do anything?
Hell no, wasted turns tho

[unkempt ingot]

Lots of bugs to be worked out but it's really cool tech

[sharp trail]

Hmmmm.... I wonder....

:0

You can spread it with Yelmogus stuff

And rhada pact!

Although I noticed that I'd they get it after you do the spreading they might lose it

Not guaranteed tho, so that's nice

[unkempt ingot]

It carries in floors too

Very nice tech

[proper scroll]

upgrade arrowstorm 1 to arrowstorm 2 on beheaded benefactors pumpkinhead pls. Arrowstorm 1 is so bad lol

[fluid dragon]

What was the name of that item on this event that summons

I don't know if it was a weapon or an off-hand

There was an off hand summon spell right?

Am I tripping I can't find it

[willow quest]

u trippin

[unkempt ingot]

None lol

That I know of

[smoky siren]

If it's rhada pactable it means it falls off
So I don't know how useful it actually is for endless

[rugged turret]

Is the double up mechanic intended for the dullahen den. I feel like 50% or more of the encounters are 1 beheaded + 2x of the same mob. (2x mammom, 2x fomor warrior, 2x of the same beheaded, etc) . just feels very odd getting 2x identical mobs so often

[willow quest]

3 monuments and not a single ghost

Something changed

It wasn't that bad

[rugged turret]

the number of pumpkin pals in monuments is too low to be worth it for farming sadly

[willow quest]

But 😔

It was good

[rugged turret]

i get plenty of event mobs, just not a lot of pumpkin pals, so if you are trying to farm mats for scrolls, the best option is still just regular horde dungeons

[sharp trail]

The only summon that's from an off-hand ability I can think of is Beithir and that's from a weapon

[unkempt ingot]

That's not off-hand that's 2 handed lol

Off-hand is like the 3 doggos from ragnarok

Charons grimoire

2 handed is beithir/afar

Think that's it

[iron gazelle]

Gotta say, the pumpkin really goes well with my sprite

[sharp trail]

Yes, I said that this was from a weapon

[sharp trail]

Ah yes this thing exists

[unkempt ingot]

The beheaded mobs would be cool summons

[sharp trail]

Yeah

Maybe a new use for the pumpkin from Pumkimless

[unkempt ingot]

Charons grimoire is still pretty good

Some decent summons you kinda pray you don't see the dragons though in it

[sharp trail]

It's an offhand right?

[unkempt ingot]

Honestly I'd be okay If the benefact helm gave us a beheaded summon of some sort instead of arrowstorm lol

[barren hare]

Gives summons new skill: summon Beithir

[proper scroll]

Like which one

[sharp trail]

Meanwhile Beithir:

[sharp trail]

I'd see it like the Resolve Darkriftus
Chance for every fella (maybe except Benefactor since it literally would only mess you up)

[unkempt ingot]

Merchant kinda has a nutty single target

The zwei fencer probably one of the best

But I'd have to analyze them all again

Tbh I'd be okay with a random mass summon rng though

[sharp trail]

Those coins fucking hurt
No idea what these are made of, I want them

[unkempt ingot]

Beheaded merchant depending on stats would probably rival buggane lowkey on single target lol

[proper scroll]

Ngl the beheaded mobs seem pretty bad as summons. Zweifencer maybe but it's a T7 mob

[sharp trail]

But for the funnies

[proper scroll]

And honestly not a fan of Charon grimoire-esque summon rng. Nobody uses charons grimoire for that reason even tho it has pretty good summons (agg, slime)

[sharp trail]

You could have a swarm of minions that treat you like a peasant by tossing money at you.... Hard money... But money

[unkempt ingot]

I mean we have some summons from lower tiers that rival or are on par or better than our T10 summons

Beheaded mobs seem like they have decent HP pools

If it was a 2 turn mass summon guaranteed 5 random then it would be good for something, I'd probably find use for some of them in raids for sure

Beheaded merchant I feel could hit hard ngl

[sharp trail]

On anguish 8 that man(?) hit me with the coins for like 70k, no nothing or being zerked

[unkempt ingot]

Stargazer has comet? Idk how much that would hit but it's interesting

If anything a mass summon beheaded would help T9 a lot and T10 would find use somewhere

[proper scroll]

Comet is a weak move. Would personally prefer arrowstorm 2 over mass summon

[iron gazelle]

Just ignoring Beheaded Swash with his crazy damage output, smh

[unkempt ingot]

Arrowstorm 2 doesn't solve arrowstorm 1 issues much

I'd rather have a different AOE move lmao

But it would be more fun having beheaded summons

[rugged turret]

the issue with summoner get a strong aoe is you have 5 pets that could aoe. which is most likely why its only arrow storm 1

[unkempt ingot]

Well atm our strongest AOE is mage dance panda

4 turn summon

Base it's about 8-15k per mob

[proper scroll]

5 animations vs 1

But trust me, gs is really far behind other classes in terms of aoe. Even arrowstorm 2 would be nothing compared to bl2 on other classes

[unkempt ingot]

Arrowstorm 2 would hardly be used even if we had it ngl

Jinn and panda would still outpace it

Phoniex pledge mage would also outpace it^

[rugged turret]

thing is, you can just use a yelmongus staff, aoe the trash yourself, then have 2 strong single target summons to clean up the rest and be fine. its how i was farming despair

[proper scroll]

No idea why you would gs for despair over something like heretic or beoh

Horrible mag stat

[rugged turret]

to spawn 5 mobs at a time....

[proper scroll]

And in dungeons gs bl2 is really bad because no pet buffs

[proper scroll]

I think so too tbh. It's just that idk what other aoe would be suitable. Bl2 and lunarstrikes too op. Envy and despair might be better than arrowstorm 2 but you'll have immunity problems more so than phys damage

Md maybe, but md is also kinda mid as an aoe

[rugged turret]

lunar has immunity issues too specially in tower. it would make more sense if it were one of the new ones, id like pumpkin gaze personally

[unkempt ingot]

Lacunus 🤣

[rugged turret]

just give SMN an goose pet with swansong 👍

[unkempt ingot]

Nah MD would probably be the most balanced tbh

But as you said it's a bit mid, but honestly? It's better than what we have rn

[unkempt ingot]

Pumkin gaze seems decent too ngl

[rugged turret]

the dots on it would top teir for pvpv

[proper scroll]

Pumpkin gaze is elementless or what element?

[unkempt ingot]

Actually I'd double down on that ngl, 1700 power AOE, seems like it's elementless?

[rugged turret]

elementalless

[unkempt ingot]

Pumkin gaze fits the theme too ngl

Trex with the good ideas frfr

[west shuttle]

Pumpkin gaze is a skill or a spell? Or both?

[rugged turret]

spell

[inner meteor]

spell

[rugged turret]

boosted by snotra/mag+

[unkempt ingot]

Spell

[west shuttle]

Why Odie , trickster was made for thiefs, it should be based on Att

[unkempt ingot]

Since it's a spell it would work with jinn and most of our AOE options too

It would actually fit in pretty good

[iron gazelle]

Pumpkin Gaze is a non-splitting elementless spell, yes

[unkempt ingot]

Non splitting too niceee

Yeah so instead of arrowstorm we should have pumkin gaze frfr

[proper scroll]

It might be a bit on the OP side but Id have to try it to know

[unkempt ingot]

Is mage dance split? I didn't think so

Mage dance could potentially still hit harder than pumkin gaze

But pumkin gaze would have a more consistent approach

[west shuttle]

Pumpkim gaze is still better iirc

More pen

Like 1.7

[unkempt ingot]

Well it would be limited yearly, and a good replacement for arrowstorm on benefactor helm, I'd be okay with it

[rugged turret]

not to mention you hae to full time that helmet for it to work, so seems fair

[iron gazelle]

Is that really a good enough tradeoff?

Arrowstorm -> Pumpkin Gaze just seems like a strict improvement

Whats the cost?

[rugged turret]

i have burned a shameful amount of keys and still am missing 3 ornates from these beheaded ><

[unkempt ingot]

Mind you wearing that helm makes you pretty weak lol

Atm it's like, why wear it if the stats are bad AND the added skill makes most your summons worse than they are rn

But if we wanted to make the helm worse in stats? Ig remove the ward% on it?

Give it pumkin gaze instead of arrowstorm, but that would be really hard for T9 summoners to live with especially in towers lol

[verbal vessel]

It shouldn't be eleless AoE or even 'better' than MD imo since that would pretty much sideline Panda.
I'm all in for variety, a physical AoE in addition to what we have is fine imo (or an arcane AoE, anything we don't have yet)
Arrowstorm 1 is just not it. It's a pretty weak move even for t9 standarts and muds the movepool of every summon up to the point where it's a hindrance in later tiers.

[proper scroll]

Md is on average 1250 power and M1=1. Pumpkin gaze is 1700 power consistently so probably M1=1.7 it would be quite a bit better than dance

[rugged turret]

doesnt sideline panda if panda is using it though? cause youd want 2x strong mage pets anyways

[verbal vessel]

I wouldn't need Panda if i could have a MD using AD/Mammoth

[unkempt ingot]

Ah that is also true, I mean we are accounting that summons will have other moves and BELIEVE ME they aren't smart enough to spam the AOE in question

The summon could have 1 move and it STILL wouldn't spam the AOE that's added onto them

Here's some footage of arrowstorm 1 rn in a T10 perspective

[west shuttle]

If you kill everything stats(Def/Res) doesn't matter

[unkempt ingot]

That's a high prayer lol

[proper scroll]

This is kinda tough tbh. If we give it arrowstorm 2 probably everyone will continue to use panda instead. If we give it stronger aoe everyone would use this beheaded item.

The only thing is that this forces you to commit your head slot to the item whereas panda doesnt

[unkempt ingot]

Exclusively I only see benefact helm good for dungeons

Towers I'm not sure if I'd sacrifice the survival for the RNG that the summon will be smort and not basic attack or defend 🤣 or use it's non AOE

I think it would be safe to add mage dance or pumkin gaze onto it

That or if magic is off the table

Maybe just give it raw summon stats and call it a day lol, cause most physical attacks will just contradict any magic AOE summon you use, and you're almost hard locked on physical immunity if you go all physical

[west shuttle]

Or make pumpkim gaze work with either att or mag(the higher stat is used) || not that this would also benefit Rs ||

[unkempt ingot]

@proper scroll what about mages pavane?

I feel that could kinda be balanced

A WIDE range it will either hit hard or not lmaoo

[shrewd plank]

Look at mage's dance

[unkempt ingot]

It's worse mages dance but like it's better than arrowstorm 1 lmao

[shrewd plank]

Yeah but smaller range

[unkempt ingot]

That's why I nominate mages pavane

It's not a copy (exactly mages dance)

It's not better mage dance

But it'll be better than arrowstorm

[shrewd plank]

Just use windtamer shield

Or the new pumpkin gaze

Its pretty good

[unkempt ingot]

I'm talking about a replacement for arrowstorm on the benefact helm lol

For summons to use lol

[spice cave]

arrowstorm is pretty underwhelming, pumpkin gaze would be more suitable ngl. Even with penguin that is fully buffed with t. all its only hitting 100k each on my al 90 gsa on mel 13 that's also have a relative level to it.

if i go unshackled using it's gonna be much worse

[unkempt ingot]

We need AOE that can deal with A.mammon at one point in time 💔🥀 that thing... it kills all and any summoners lmao

But nah pumkin gaze also fits the theme the most too, since it's on a pumkin helm

[spice cave]

mel 13 mammon just completely destroyed all my panda in that specific floor and there was two of them man

it was inevitable

[proper scroll]

if I summon an AD with summon stat gear it has 932071 hp. That means it has 932071/51870*2530 = 45462 mag. That means it would do about 70-80k damage with pumpkin gaze with no buffs. 217k damage with mag1,2 and snotra.

about 870k with mag^^^ and dc^^^. That would be pretty nutty to have 5 summons doing 870k each lmao

[proper scroll]

it would be balanced ig but I hate the rng on that move

[unkempt ingot]

Problem lies with AD can basic attack, defend, dragon breath

Also 4 turn summon

And you'd need event gear to even buff it, from 2 separate events

[unkempt ingot]

Same but I'd take that over arrowstorm

[spice cave]

seems balanced to me

its not like you get mag^^^ and dc every time

and would you actually use merlin potions every dgn run or switch spec classes and build to cast gm? that alone would cost a lot of time to the already time consuming G S of A dgn clear

217k each from ad seems pretty decent to me esp u have so much als and ang lvls too

[proper scroll]

yeah I agree, you wont have consistent T mag^3, and probably not even DC

just saying its a rather huge powerspike provided by 1 item

[spice cave]

nah it'll be fine, other classes get to go wild and crazy on dungeon its not like a few damage increase on Ancient dragon or any other summons would break their pve gameplay and would feel miserable about it

[proper scroll]

it would probably singlehandedly skyrocket gs as one of the best mel classes

because summons have insanely high mag stat so they wont run into penetration issues

[spice cave]

its not gonna affect them that much and itll just be decent on us and mind you als are a part of that + ang lvls so its not like every other player except for 100+ als get to produce 200k on each of their AD

[spice cave]

if they have als for it probably, gsa is still squishy my al 90 gsa is like almost 70k ward on my yel build with leg ophion

i still get popped

[unkempt ingot]

A.mammon solos us

[spice cave]

5 floors in votg and its doomed, not even a full squad of summon is on there yet

not even buffed

if i really want to try hard everything then i have to play and prep every dgn like i am doing gs endless

[unkempt ingot]

Yeah you also gotta take into account

3 floors is for summoning a full summon party

7+floors to buff said summons

Around floor 10-15 you're fully buffed and okay to go

During that phase you can get popped pretty easy

[proper scroll]

thats true

so what do you want then. Still pumpkin gaze?

[spice cave]

hell yeah

[proper scroll]

its not me that you have to convince, it's odie

[spice cave]

dw it's not gonna happen

it's just copium atp

i just feel like it it's never gonna get change unless 👀

[proper scroll]

the grand suffering must ensue

[unkempt ingot]

I mean it's Halloween, having a exclusive Halloween move for summons makes sense tbh

Thematically would be cool, plus it's a yearly event too, so it won't be back till next year lol

[proper scroll]

@verbal vessel what do you think

[verbal vessel]

This #1422974724069261392 message

However we all agree that we'd like to see smth different than Arrowstorm.

[proper scroll]

but with that mentality we can never get a better aoe than panda mage's dance. I agree we shouldnt promote powercreep either tho

from my perspective gs is still far behind other classes in aoe, but the question is should it be GSA with e.g. this event gear that solves it or GSH (like we discussed in beta thread)(

[unkempt ingot]

By no means do I see pumkin gaze solving our AOE issues compared to other classes lol

[proper scroll]

why not?

[unkempt ingot]

Pumkin gaze isn't that crazy, and you have summon AI to deal with

And you need 2 events worth of gear to buff your summons ( two riftlocks if you ever plan on summoning 4 turn summons )

It's simply a nice AOE but not a garenteed one, and it's going to take at least 10-15 floors to set up

We'll still be doing dungeons slower much slower, if you don't get popped like a cherry or sniped by a mammon

[proper scroll]

yeah I dont know exactly how consistenyl summons will use it, but on paper the move is very strong. Almost on pair with despair offhand just without the arcane element liability

[verbal vessel]

If you want to put it like this, i personally don't want a 'better' AoE than what we have. Like i said i would love to see variety be it in the AoE department or elsewhere.
Panda, Mammoth, Yel gear in the past months summoning summoners ate well and imo we don't need another bump in raw power atm.

[unkempt ingot]

1700 power elementless

Vs

3000 power arcane

I'd take despair too but then T9 would be eating VERY well and T10 it would be eh

Pumkin gaze wouldn't be too noticeable till you apply unreasonable AL and anguish gear behind it lol same as mage dance is currently

[proper scroll]

imo aoe is the single biggest gs weakness still. Events like wyrmhunt where you need high aoe damage are godawful to do as GS. Like on heretic I can just do 1.5M unsplit aoe. On GS its nowhere near that and just suffering all along

[proper scroll]

offhand despair is 2000 power

[unkempt ingot]

Ah I haven't ever used the off-hand lol

But yeah it would be similar but arcane attachment wouldn't be that much of a bother if you slap it on AD or something

It's not like it would lock them out of their movesets

Panda would have mage dance and despair lol

Jinn would have 4 elemental AOE and despair ect

Despair garenteed 2000 power would be ooga

T9 would eat for sure

T10 you'll face problems but like.... nah actually? Hmmm I don't think I'd delute Mage dance chances for it though ugh

Problem being summon AI lmao

But yeah idk

I'm down for anything but arrowstorm, pumkin gaze fits the Halloween theme the most and since it's a yearly event might as well make it a sought after piece for most summoners

( take into account this is also teaching followers this move too )

👍

[scenic wren]

If I'm being real, dullahan shouldn't have been an item at all and just chased you the entire month

[rugged turret]

That can be arranged

Me for the rest of October

[little fiber]

I would trade all of mine to see a t7 dullahan

[rugged turret]

i would trade all of mine to just pop 93 singles

[little fiber]

Just a casual 4 straight days of checking phone every couple minutes

[rugged turret]

for real, just let me run it 1x an hour and have 25-30 pop, and ill clear em all by the end of the month i promise 🙁

[devout trail]

Farming for scroll mats, whats worth doing? Monuments(low spawn of ToT mobs)? Dungeons(low spawn rate of ToT mobs + limited)?Towers(idk yet)?Riftbreak(afaik not worth doing due to low spawn rate, even with dual wielding +100% More Monster Encounters)? What else should I farm?

Or did some of the things got shadow patched or something?

[teal jolt]

The best troubleshooting method? Take a break. Turns out everything was working perfectly — it was you who wasn’t!

[devout trail]

Did 2 ToT Riftbreaks this morning when I went to my uni and in the noon. First ToT I got like >10~19 Spawns but those were from Darkrift Fragment, 2nd ToT, I got like very low spawns, only seen regular vampires, coffins, pharaohs, mammon acolyte, regular ghost, regular undead, etc... had some Darkrift Fragment spawns but on the low side. Seems like Monuments need to have all of the event monsters spawn.

even with almost max luck + endless treats, I noticed that scroll mats have a very low chance to duplicate (from 1 -> 2)

[devout trail]

If I take a break, how will I get my Ornate A. Pumpkinless Gears?

[teal jolt]

In 5 years maybe

Tip for riftbreak: if event monster not spawn, try to exit the break and enter again, it will reset the spawn of the current break

Monument currently not the ideal place, as the event mob pool have so many clusters, as many mob doesnt holding the pumpkin

[devout trail]

I have been doing that, I think the best efficient way is just quick kill the spawn to make it respawn faster. But for me, leaving and entering the Riftbreaks don't sometimes repplace the spawns inside.

Towers looks like the only best choice, but 23 Hours per day? No way, plus I have not built a 30+ Floored Towers.

[unique shell]

I'm trying to implement arrowostom in may GSA setup, because the extra -1 turn is really nice to have to speed up the summoning process, but it feels more like a malus than a bonus when it is used. Anyone got it working with decent damage?

[proper scroll]

Anyone got it working with decent damage?

there was an entire discussion yesterday about this. Basically every GS main agreed arrowstorm 1 was bad and that we wanted it replaced with another aoe. Don't think it's really possible to get decent damage from it lol

[unique shell]

Had the suspicion it was the skill. Even a permanent buff skill could be more useful

[mellow wren]

#1009229920087593000 message

[proper scroll]

pumpkin gaze 🗿

[unique shell]

Or Berserk lol

[proper scroll]

but then its basically beastfelled garb except a headpiece

not that gsa can use beastfelled garb but you get the point

[unique shell]

I don't see the point lol.
That's exactly why I used Berserk in the example.
Beastfelled is class-gated, which limit's its use to the thief-related classes only for the +Berserk
In GS case, it is even gated behind the side which doesn't really need it on summons(GSH) while keeping the property open to be used with followers(which no GS can use after previous GSH rework being scrapped)
Looking at pumpkinhead instead, while not class-limited, its bonuses are spec-gated and on a spec that doesn't benefit any other class at all

[soft thorn]

Is the haunted calling bell a reward for completing the dullahan den?

[proper scroll]

I agree, but then it's basically 'beastfelled garb but for gs' and I think that's not a super interesting idea

[unique shell]

Crafted in monumental guild with cursed metal

Which drops from mobs in that dungeon

[soft thorn]

Thank you!

[unique shell]

Well, currently it doesn't spark any other interest except for benefactor users. It is still indirectly limited to them outside stasis immunity and some stats

[hollow inlet]

The riftbreak change definitely feels better, I'm no longer hitting 1 witch/ghost and reseting.

The encounter space opened by the loss of headless mobs seems to have mostly been taken up by low level ghosts and skeletons; maybe that can be adjusted a bit but otherwise it's at least a bit more reasonable.

[unkempt ingot]

Yeah but beserk would be just as much as a hindrance cause now your summons could be spamming a non damaging spell instead of their AOE or attack lol

Pumkin gaze seems more fit for the Halloween theme, it's a better AOE for our current set ups than arrowstorm, and would be fun to use

[verbal vessel]

They'd use Berserk once and that's it

Bad for towers maybe

[unique shell]

Follower/summon ai should have the same buff check before casting the relevant skill(this is derived from Phaethon and TMM behavior with their relevant permanent buffs)

[proper scroll]

pumpkin gaze

[unkempt ingot]

I've used beastfelled garb and I've seen them try to cast beserk even though it was applied already, may have been fixed but it was an occurring issue lol

[verbal vessel]

It should be fixed by now.

[rugged turret]

I get that dullahan is a boss and not a raid, but it would be swell if the View distance on the whip was ~15, check my math on it, but 15% would still leave it <= fey surtr right? 12 just seems oddly low even with the extra adornment slots

[elder warren]

Imo could've stayed 20, a 2% upgrade over several year old gear while dual wielding would've been fine.

[rugged turret]

100% would have loved it, but i get why they did it

[untold current]

Agreed, didn’t really see it as being problematic, Helhest is old enough that giving it a slight upgrade would have been welcome

[willow quest]

I don't understand why give use items that are slightly worse than current others
At least make them equal

Yelmongus has memory bonus and I don't think anyone would be using it instead of trialing

So that memory bonus feels like a random stat that could just be anything else

The new vision for distance weapon feels like it's s just like that

It's not a side grade when it's not on the side but a little step below to the side

[glad epoch]

Yelmogus is nice for fast memory hunting actually. It's only a little less rewards than trialing

[rugged turret]

I use yelmumgus nothing beats its speed for memory hunts.

Would I prefer it to have the higher memory bonus.... absolutely who wouldn't

[willow quest]

Unless I'm hunting an ornate I don't care for speed

[brisk shell]

Are the dullahan dens supposed to be 15 floors?

[willow quest]

It's just 10

[brisk shell]

Was it ever 15? I saw some earlier discussion about it

[willow quest]

It was just a visual bug

[rugged turret]

For like the first 15 minutes it was 15 floors

[brisk shell]

Ahh okay

I feel like 15 would be better tbh lol

[rugged turret]

I feel like 10 floors would be fine if 50-60% of floors werent doubled up with 2x identical trash mobs.

[swift pebble]

I'm Tier 5 and I don't think I've seen any pumpkin pail monsters yet at all. Is that surprising?

I've been getting the materials via in-world random item floaty things.

[brisk shell]

How exactly does the bell work?

[barren hare]

you use it

then for 1 h boss spawns every ~5 mins

[brisk shell]

Ok cool so it doesnt matter when we use it? (Like the start of the hour or anything)

[glad epoch]

Nope

Sometimes it spawns fast, somwtimes slow

[brisk shell]

Does it randomly spawn between the t10 and t7 or is it always just 1 of them depending on your tier

[barren hare]

if you are T10+ - then only T10

[tepid saddle]

What are people's thoughts on the dullahan gear?

Not good / too good / just right?

[rugged turret]

Nope it's a 1 hour buff just like torch or dowsing rod. It's every 2 minutes. If it doesn't pop the you need to move around , kill monsters, or reload your kingdom

[verbal iris]

This dullahan gear just looks like random things throw together... I don't see anything being good. Bummer

[rugged turret]

I like the shield for my alt. So when I dou raids he can mega debuff

[unkempt ingot]

The gear adds a lot to my class especially if they don't have too many events under their belt it's pretty good stats wise too

It fits rhada pact summoner quite a bit as before this gear we couldn't get T.buff2, now we can on top of that T.dex3

[glad epoch]

Arisen dull skull is generically not bad I think, it's high ward and has some dex in there

[teal hatch]

Curious to hear people's thoughts on the 'headless gear' and how the new specialization aspects feel.
Is it good? Usable? Bad? Too niche?

[elder warren]

I've used the swash one a bit, mostly just for raiding pumpkinless with Ang. If it didn't have the confuse immunity I probably wouldn't but with it its a nice niche piece

[tepid saddle]

I think its cool stuff as a starting point for new gear options but need much more of it. Otherwise feels too niche with just a few pieces. Also restricts customization to a single spec

[devout trail]

I thought the Merchant's chest was good until I heard that it needs "Merchant" spec to have the passive working. Overall for me, the event is pretty much not that good.

[spice cave]

the Duluhan boots don't make sense, it scales on magic but it gives t.att buff. Either make that boots scale on attack to match its t. att or simply make it t. mag so match the innate stats

[vagrant spear]

If you don't pay attention to the tiny bit of magic the boots are great for melee classes.

Or the little bit of magic boosts BeoH's Hybrid Monster

[vagrant spear]

I know you already know my opinion, but I'll say it again to balance some of the negativity.

Some of the gear is niche, but I think a lot of it is genuinely useful for builds in T11. Most of it (but not all) requires playing specs other than BoF or Oracle and I know that's hard for people.

[rugged turret]

I think if you look at the gear as a way to branch out before t10 its fantastic. It adds a lot of power and options to early builds. If you just consider the dullahan an event boss, his loot is actually really really really good compared to a lot of event bosses that dro just 1 -2 items.

a lot of the dullahan gear does have stat vomit and im not sure there is a coherent build for it yet, but i would argue its pretty similar to most boss/raids where 2-3 pieces are there for the set, but there is always 1 good item

[scenic wren]

"i know not using the best and most versatile specs is hard for people" how delightfully condescending

[vagrant spear]

Sure if you want to look at it that way go for it. What I mean though is that right now like 95% of endgame builds use those specs, so it's easiest to look for ways for new gear to slot into builds with those specs.

My stuff is still cooking in the blacksmith and I still want a couple more items so I don't have specific builds/gameplay to show yet, but I think there's some cool and powerful stuff to be done with the headless gear.

And then like Trex said, Dullahan stuff just has some high stat spread so it can slot in a lot of places.

[wind yoke]

Creating gear for currently used specs isn't as interesting as creating gear for seldom used specs. Bit of a boxed in way to design

Loving the opportunity that the introduction of spec based gear offers us too, props to Odie for working out a way to make that happen 💪

[unkempt ingot]

I think it adds a lot to their perspective specializations and it's pretty cool

Only one I think kinda contradicts itself rn is the benefact helm, since it actually just makes your summons weaker by filling their skill pool with a non useful move

But other than that I think cleric is AMAZING for T9 raids especially as a healer with the new off-hand support

And the other spec gears are cool too

Even in T10 I think cleric can find a use as a great support honestly

[rugged turret]

Agree 100%, it's a great idea to try and spread out builds, but unfortunately if it doesn't perform at least as good as current builds it means most will never use it.

That said the framework is in place and it means we could get t10 gear in the future with additional spec based gear and that's exciting

[wind yoke]

it means most will never use it.
Through the lens of an established T10 player, sure

Remember a lot of this gear is not T10, and some folks are doing this event for the first time :)

The Hallowed has now become an event that is really well spread across tiers, as early as T3. I think that's a huge win for an event! Would love more of it

[rugged turret]

For sure. That's what I said in my last post. This gear wasn't made for t10. It's no different than any other event that has t10 mobs and sub t10 mobs. No one complains that the sub t10 mobs gear isn't good for t10

[wind yoke]

I think there is a little of that in here. It at bare minimum can influence the vibe of a gear piece when it doesn't land in the category of 'useful for me'. That is not unique to this event though, it's a staple for any event gear

[glad epoch]

I don't agree with the complaint being only "through the lens of an established t10 player" - this event is once a year and I'd imagine that:

• Many players are below t10 for less than 1y
• An individual low tier player will never make use of most if not all of the gear
• Players won't really farm Halloween until they are hier tier anyway

It's really, really niche gear in multiple ways. Designed for lower tiers AND specific specs AND can only be obtained once a year

[wind yoke]

Accessibility isn't the same thing as useful, of course. Those are different arguments, and not what I was getting at.
I understand the event isn't all year round for sure, and understand it might not hit for everyone definitely.

The response was about how the gear doesn't perform well, not about how accessible it was :)

[glad epoch]

Sure, but I think the performance also suffers from how specific it is

Low tier means most players won't be at that tier and be interested in using it, especially when it requires specific specializations that they can't exactly freely swap out

Spec swapping is prohibitive in earlier tiers and most players tend to stick with their main classline, not branch out into multiple classes with different specs. That's an endgame thing

I think the gear overall seems strong for its tier but I don't have many comments on that side - I just think that spec-locked stuff should likely be designed for endgame instead

[tepid saddle]

I agree with both sides here. The concept is a fantastic start, love this idea for gear, especially for earlier tiers.

For a t10-11, its all much less useful unless the stats/bonuses actually outperform the meta specs (Oracle+ BoF, for example).

Looking forward to seeing similar gear get released in the future! Hoping later pieces are more usable for endgame too

[devout trail]

T11 Specs?

*wink * wink

[sharp trail]

T11 classes?
*wink wink*

[devout trail]

specs

[barren hare]

T11 Items?
*wink* *wink*

[sharp trail]

[Something controversial that has a near impossible chance of being added]
*wink wink*

[willow quest]

Politics in my orna?
No thanks

[sharp trail]

POLITICS ON ORNA?!

[vagrant spear]

@forest skiff any chance you could update this, and we could push it out via #915890058865815572 and #📚│guides-and-tools ?

(Mainly just removing Pumpkin Spider and fixing the checkboxes for the ghosts in monuments)

[glad epoch]

Also pumpkinhead follower is no longer highest block chance in the game

Oops guess that's not in the graphic

[strange talon]

been farming a. dullahan for ornates for a while now (none yet), killed a fallen thor and immediately got one -_-

I wonder if the item RNG orna uses is the same for all boss encounters and whatever ornate was going to be rolled next was instead given to the thor

[thin forum]

Where are the pumpkin pail mobs at? They barely come out and I have pretty much all the buffs . I’ve killed like 20 or so still waiting 🫤

[inner meteor]

One look and i knew u used affinity candle

Affinity candle mostly stop those pail mob from appearing since they are all low tier

Dont use them next time

[untold current]

Wait, weren’t the pumpkin mobs on the mimic pool? I was running affinity candle at the start of the event and they were spawning just fine, did that get changed?

[thin forum]

Thanks. 🍻

[smoky siren]

I've used affinity and occult candle just fine while farming for pail monsters

What I'm noticing is a very high quantity of quest monsters

You've used a Seeker's candle

That'll attract quest mobs, so the hatis and scarecrows

[smoky siren]

Badoop because I forgot to reply

[gentle ingot]

I only get the mummy and zombie spawning when I use affinity/seekers candle. The other pail monsters dont spawn. I assumed it was only those two that had the mimc thing

[iron gazelle]

Mummy {Pumpkin} and Undead {Pumpkin} are Common Rarity, which are a major influencing factor for that too

[vagrant spear]

So is Vampire though, and that is supposed to be the third world mob

[iron gazelle]

hmm... maybe the spawning goes in codex order for picking them. Vampire is listed after Mummy and Undead. || /s? ||

[glad epoch]

I have noticed mummy and zombie be significantly more common

[gentle ingot]

Did quite a bit of despair farming the past couple of days. Absolutely 0 spawns for the ghost, skeleton, and witch. Pretty sure I didnt see any vampires but not 100% on that

[iron gazelle]

Ghost, Skeleton, and Witch are "Dungeon" terrain spawns

[gentle ingot]

Well that makes sense

[vagrant spear]

Consult the chart

Dungeons, especially with the Treats, also give so much realm ore and cursed ort

I still need the Swash chest in ornate but I've swapped to doing all my normal dungeons as horde normal instead of Dullahan because I want those mats

[teal hatch]

I find it a little odd that scrolls require more mats from the rare mobs and less of the mats from the common ones

[vagrant spear]

It's 4 from dungeon mobs, 3 from world 🤷‍♂️

[teal hatch]

Yeah it's not a big deal in all reality, just kinda throws me off as I feel the other way around would make more sense, since world farming is free/always accessible, but technically dungeons are limited

[iron gazelle]

The amount of times I've heard that people don't world farm and hate it is much higher than anyone ever claiming they hate dungeons

I get it

[teal hatch]

Farming rift breaks is also always going to result in more of the world farming mats since the ghost, witch, and skeleton can't spawn as extras from the rift fragments

[gentle ingot]

Do you have any luck with the riftbreaks? The few times I tried farming them I got a handful of pail monsters.

[teal hatch]

True, I forget sometimes I'm in the minority with thinking World farming > Dungeons

[vagrant spear]

Yes, you are lol

I enjoy taking 5-10 minutes to run all my dungeons every few hours more than 30-60 minutes of straight Riftbreaking

[proper scroll]

yeah I have the same issue lol. I have way more of the world mobs since they spawn as ads when you use darkrift fragment

[teal hatch]

I did 3 hours of riftbreaks with a rift fragment on, constantly resetting encounters and focusing on Ghost, Witches, and Skeletons, this is my before and after

[gentle ingot]

Dang thats a lot for 3 hours.

[teal hatch]

I guess it's probably a difference of a play style, personally I can't really play on and off for a few minutes every few hours, it's easier for me to "condense" my play time to say 1-2 total sessions for the day

Which is also probably why I like towers so much lol

[teal hatch]

Being able to leave the riftbreak and instantly go back in to resets spawns really helps in focusing on certain mobs

[shrewd plank]

Do you have full mob appearance gear equipped?

[rugged turret]

I had very similar results to the point where I have 1000+ world items, and 0 dungeons. So I'll be focusing on dungeons only until the final haunted house rift break

[teal hatch]

Nope, only thing I had on that affected any sort of spawns was 1 Concord for VD/Luck and then for effects I had Affinity Candle, Occult Candle, Torch, and Farsight potion, and Darkrift Fragment

[vagrant spear]

Orna monster spawning also works differently than Aethric monster spawning so ymmv

In Orna VD plays a role

[shrewd plank]

I see thanks

[swift pebble]

Which bits of this can I participate in at T7?

[willow quest]

I think you can build the t8 scrolls but can't use them?

but even if you can't get to the scrolls the new gear from beheaded enemies can be ver good

[swift pebble]

Those are the event dungeon people?

[willow quest]

ye

[wind yoke]

There are monsters from as low as T3, including all the questline monsters and the new event dungeon monsters!
The new Dullahan boss has a T7 variant also

Check out the graphics in #game-announcements for some guidance on where to start!

[low flint]

I apologise for this take cause the idea of the new gear is awesome 👌
But it kinda falls flat because of the meta of the game and the fact that alot of specs aren't worth using even with the added gear abilities

I think a major update to the game that rebalances all of the specs and makes all classes as powerful as each other may stop a meta from killing build diversity

And I can see you guys are indeed working on making classes relativity which is good

So maybe do the same for specs?

Maybe reduce the amount of specs and make each one more impactful

(Sorry for the novel lol)

[willow quest]

Have you tried the new builds with the items and specs?

[unkempt ingot]

I feel like the new gear definitely made more specs at lower tiers more effective and more sought after than before

These items aren't meant to be T10 relative really but rather T9 and below, and adds a lot to those tiers, even a REALLY good cleric support for T9 raiding

I loved the approach and depending on tier this gear could make you really decent

The monster designs are cool, gear designs, new cosmetics ( definitely bought a few lmao )

Main complaint I had was the bene spec helm made a lot of summons worse than better tbh, even for T9, but honestly if it doesn't get fixed I'm alright with that, we got some really cool earlier tier gear for other specs and that's enough for new peeps to get excited about that's all that matters

[teal jolt]

This event is accessible for every one, so please don't expect it's BIS items

[teal jolt]

Yeah if it doesn't have drawback, therefore it will be BIS in some build

[unkempt ingot]

Eh if you removed the arrowstorm skill from it and gave it nothing it would be a budget riftlock slightly worse tbh, and you sacrifice a great deal of survival for it that's the main drawback

But it doesn't have to be BIS, if it stays as is, it is what it is, some might use it for funsies, and some probably avoid it like the plague, but it's cool we are seeing spec gear, and hopefully we see more in the coming events

[low flint]

Alright fair

Im t10 lol so I guess this event not really meant for me

I definitely think they should play around with this idea some more

(Please add t10 specs too)

[unkempt ingot]

Even if one peice of gear is bad we still have dullahan gear, cleric piece that makes cleric definitely relevant, and a whole bunch of earlier tier players that have potential to play their favorite class and actually feel good lol

I wanna say everyone ate pretty good this event regardless if it's the new content or pumkinless old content, we all eat good

New adorn for 2handed, chain chance getting played with some

Treats consumable for more mats ( huge for AL grind ect )

Even if all the gear is bad for you there's some positive to this event for sure

But I feel like the T9 spec gear isn't the worst ever, it's a test and added a cool new idea that's never been explored before

[random mural]

I wish there was items for tamer/beasttamer

[random mural]

Arrow storm is there bc its not for summoner only.

If it was removed, then it would be summoner only bc no other class can benefit from the rest of the passivess

Its still a spec item afterall

[unkempt ingot]

Yeah but counter arguement then I'd expect a skill from tamer/beast tamer specs to effect summons

Or any spec to that degree

I feel some specs are a little specialized in certain classes you play

But ofc any and all specs are available to any class

[random mural]

There is no tamer item, but sure it can be skill "add this to summons and pets"

[unkempt ingot]

( that'd also open flood gates to "well any spec should appease to every class" but I don't wanna go there 🤣, typically vahallan and summoner gear just gets flopped together probably for convenience )

[random mural]

I mean any spec should be somewhat usable to all classes. Ofc there will always be the best/optimal ones for all

[unkempt ingot]

Small example, you can read description and everything, CLEARLY this is a summoner piece, BUT vahallan can where it so should it have something for them too? Who knows

Idc our gear is usually tied together, but I think we can tell when something is more meant for one class than the other 🤣

Granted specs CAN be used by everyone, that would be a heck of a mess to appease to every class per spec that's available to us

Like magus giving warroirs a magical cleave that uses atk instead of magic ect

Would be cool^ but I don't think thats intended per spec especially with what stats they boost ect

[random mural]

But difference is that this is meant to be summoner item and the pumpkin head is spec item

Which locks your Spec so you can use the passives

[unkempt ingot]

Benefactor spec is a summoner based spec though

It boosts summons, and doesn't help followers much if at all, it even gives you a summon, which most classes cannot use effectively lol

To say the spec isn't meant to be catered to summoners is like saying sequencer isn't meant to be catered to magic classes

They slapped follower/summons on the piece of gear cause all of our gear is shared regardless of the spec lmao

[random mural]

For me benefactor is SUMMON based spec.

Just like tamer>pet spec

If they would be pure summoner/ beo they would boost hybriddmg/pact dmg aswell

Like if you look at benefactor it just boosts summon based playstyle. Thats it

Tamer boost pet action and stats

For me. The specs are basicly tool for x playstyle

They are locked to differend playstyles

And ofc oracle is basicly jack of all trades

[unkempt ingot]

Difference being most classes cannot SUMMON effectively even with the spec

And summoner cannot do anything with a tamer spec since they have no pet

All specs can't appease all classes the same, and probably won't, so it's say to assume that the benefactor spec is meant for summoners purely, not many gilgas, hera's or realmshifter can even successfully summon 1 summon lol since most classes have that huge fail rate ( benefactor spec doesn't give you better odds to summon )

There's no world atm where every spec is catered to every playstyle rn, and even if you read descriptions you'd kinda get that benefactor spec is more fit and locked to summoner than anyone else tbh

[random mural]

Yes the drawback is fail rate, but thats why summoner pets exists

[unkempt ingot]

And since benefactor helm has -turns on summon, you can also kinda assume it's more meant for summons then pets

They just combine vahallan gear with summoner gear for convenience of coding which is understandable

[unkempt ingot]

Right but not everyone can effectively use summoner pets even, plus benefactor spell gives you a summon to use, which you'd have to tell me truthfully every class can use effectively lol, otherwise you'd be saying spec spells aren't meant to be used by everyone only the passives

[random mural]

Yes it has more use for summoner bc summons are its main mechanic, but for examble summon stat & summon/pet skill is shared. So only turn efficiency is summoner locked

[random mural]

I think player using summon spells is summoner territory. But pets with summons is our way to do summon playstyle

Mainly passives are what matters

[unkempt ingot]

You're only defending one side of the spectrum lol

Let's just agree to disagree, I'll easily say the benefactor spec is more meant for summoner only

As in turn a lot of skills and specs are more meant for certain classes ect

Everyone can use bard spec and cleric spec around the same, we have all rounder specs, BUT there are some classes that cannot use spec specific spells or make use of the spec passives, meaning all specs aren't created for all classes

I think you're just confused that vahallan gear and summoner gear is always tied together and whatever skills that pets get, summons will get, vice versa regardless of the spec tied to the piece of gear

Pets can summon yes, but summon turns don't effect that and you nor your pet can effectively use the spell the spec hands you, which in turn means the benefactor spec isn't an all rounder it's more meant for a summoner playstyle

Beo can kinda do all specs and classes depending on their pet and is an all rounder can do everything you can do with my pet as well lol

Other classes are far well not like that lol

[random mural]

Like i said earlier. Benefactor is optimal for summoner, but its not unusable to others. Bc it has "shared passive" which is summon stat.

Like with summoner pets you literally can go all in on summons on basicly any class.

And if they wanted the new item to be summoner only. They would lock it to summoner/valhalla. They did make it accessible for all classes.

For examble gilga can go just fomorian house gear and now you have full gear with summon stat. Is it optimal? Hell no. But its possible

[unkempt ingot]

Can gilga use summon jinn effectively though?

Can any class summon effectively on their own? Not really besides summoner lines

Pets can summon effectively, but even so, that doesn't mean benefactor spec is built for all classes that can use pets 🤣

And at the end of the say you only benefit from 1 passive in the whole spec, cannot effectively use the spell handed to you by it, or benefit from the -summon turns

Benefactor is definitely a class specific spec, and gear can always be misleading like the beastfelled gear lol, or ragnarok gear, thronemakers ect

But what I CAN say is specs are almost unusable by some classes or completely unusable for classes and that draws the line for class specific spec

If every spec was open ended and can be effectively used by everyone this debate would be a close lol

[random mural]

Oh god. Like i said benefactor does have things that are more for summoner. Like jinn/ -turn.

Its literally same thing as tamer
Shared passives with classes that have pets

bb1>pet action/stat
Beo locked> call

[unkempt ingot]

Right specs are more catered to a specific class than for other classes

[random mural]

Benefactor

Shared> summon stat/-turn(this does affect summonin turns but summon itself fails)
Locked to summoner> jinn

Specific playstyle

[unkempt ingot]

Next thing imma be told is maji can be used by gilgamesh/Realmshifter and it's effective because of a pet-

But I'll de-escalate from getting too off-topic and agree to disagree

We'll see where the new events go from here, it was interesting to see a lot of new gear for new players and spec gear that can make certain specs more viable then they once were

Dullahan has some interesting gear for sure, and as always pumkinless is a sought after raid we all love

A lot of cool stuff released in this event and I hope to see more in the upcoming events

[random mural]

Like
Bof> high att low def
Sequencer> dualwielding magic
Tamer> pet
Maji> shared blueline+ passives to support it
Benefactor> summons
Assassin> statuses
Relic>party support
Charmer>partysupport/aoe
Berserker> redline support+ access to zerk buffs
Etc

Literally all specs are tied to specific playstyles

[proper scroll]

Idk what your point is odin

Is the arrowstorm 1 actually useful for beo then?

Like you already have cactus with arrowstorm 2

For gs arrowstorm 1 is actually worse than it not having any skill

[random mural]

Arrowstorm is better for eos in towers

For examble

High summonstat + arrowstorm+ high single target spells is all eos actually needs in towers

Summons can clear mobs with arrowstorm+ eos can clear mobs and then finishes the tankier ones with tf

Removing the aoe skill just makes the item bad af for eos.

[proper scroll]

What solution would you suggest then

[random mural]

Removes the only thing why i would use the item

[random mural]

Keep it how it is?

Or if you want better aoe > arrowstorm 2

[proper scroll]

Thats worse for every gs main. And Im sure there are a lot more gs mains that would use this item if it didnt have arrowstorm 1 than there are people using eos in towers

[random mural]

Then we have a problem

[untold current]

Easy fix: delete eos and make the item better for GS

[rugged turret]

I feel balance for a whole class should trump usefulness for 1 pet and I say that as someone who uses eos

But we are back to make it pumpkin gaze

[random mural]

I have nothing against at making it a differend aoe. Im against removing the skill/spell on the item

Like baldrice suggested

Magic aoe would be even better from eos's perspective so using gaits would not be problem

[mellow wren]

It would be great if it got a different AoE

But if that's not possible, removing the skill from the item would be the way to go, because right now it's just detrimental to use it

[random mural]

Removing it basicly kills the event for me

[mellow wren]

It's already killing it for GS players

[mellow wren]

So we come to this again

[random mural]

Or i would like to see a headless tamer with +skill to pets etc

[teal hatch]

Imo it's understandable to say that the gear should not balanced around a single very niche use case, though personally I feel removing the skill/spell all together would make the gear lose it's feeling of being any bit special.

Therefore that leads me to the question of, what other skills/spells would people like to see?

[teal hatch]

I mean now that spec gear is a thing, I wouldn't be surprised if we see that in the future

[proper scroll]

Pumpkin gaze ofc, but it would likely be a bit op

Otherwise maybe mages dance. Just not a big fan of arrowstorm considering the split aoe nature and phys immune enemy struggles

[random mural]

I dont expect anything untill its confirmed

[teal hatch]

As someone who's done a lot of dungeons with Cactus I can 100% understand that, especially considering you don't really have the option to easily utilize affinities

[random mural]

But they do have 2 summons

1 covers phys immu

For examble panda

[teal hatch]

I assume the issue is though, arrowstorm is also given to the panda giving the chance for the AI to use it

and if the panda summon is any bit like the follower, I know that mf will wanna use physical attack

[random mural]

But for me the ai is smart enough not to use arrows if the mob is alone

[teal hatch]

I mean I have no real experience on how summon AI feels rn so Idk

[vagrant spear]

Tbh I wondered if Arrowstorm being a mid skill was to balance how powerful -1 summon turn guaranteed was

[random mural]

Could be

I have wild suggestion.

Remove arrowstorm
Add +guidelight(benefactor)
Now its locked to benefactor > benefits other classess that use summons

benefits gs for not getting awfull skill for summons

[glad epoch]

Odin desperately wants this gear to do exactly what he wants

[random mural]

Thats the only way i would accept the removal of the skill

[glad epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/my-way-my-way-or-the-highway-highway-get-out-gif-12803834

I support changing the item based on the needs of summoners more than the needs of Eos users, sorry

[random mural]

I mean gs does not need more aoe if we want to be smart here

[proper scroll]

Why does it not

[random mural]

They have one of the strongest aoe for their summon already

[proper scroll]

Panda mage dance is really not that strong

[random mural]

But tbh it feel stubid to start changing items that have some use for other players, while the suggested change would literally destroy the item for those other players. The only good change would be to change the item so that it keeps the same "theme" for examble gives aoe to summons/pets

[proper scroll]

Im ok with it giving another aoe

Eveb arrowstorm 2 would be better than 1

[random mural]

Yes i dont mind differend aoe, but removal of the aoe is big NO

[rugged turret]

The issue is it's not 100% I tested on AD and you can get 2-4 turn summon

Benefactor also does not 100% the -1 turn.

[glad epoch]

Probably works like chain chance then, adds a chance to remove the extra turn

[proper scroll]

I think its like 50 chance but not entirely sure on that

[mellow wren]

Beo doesn't either

[glad epoch]

Simply equip two pumpkinheads

[glad epoch]

Oh are we not just posting random screenshots

[mellow wren]

Same, I just want it removed if the item won't be getting a different AoE

Because it still has the -1 turn summon and all

[random mural]

And i dont want it removed bc it gives benefit to eos and actually reason to go benefactor instead of oracle

[glad epoch]

You've made your opinion clear I think

[smoky siren]

the -1 turn is not guaranteed btw, it's the same as the benefactor or celestial augment
And it doesn't even stack the chances (so 2 50% chances of -1 turn doesn't turn into 75% chance; it's just 50% chance at -2 turns)
It's essentially a worse riftlock

It offers as much as one augment (of which we can already slot in five)

not to mention, with 4 instances of the chance is enough to instasummon any summon, and we get 1 from benefactor, so we only need 3 from a celestial augment - the other two are free to be whatever

[glad epoch]

Then is the headpiece useful for summoners?

Outside of the arrowstorm conundrum

[mellow wren]

It is, not only for players who might want to free an acc slot, but also for players who might not have riftlocks, celestial gear...

And it also kinda kills Jinns for players of other tiers

Which is a much more reliable AoE than Arrowstorm, or many other magic based summons

Because not everybody has the Panda or some other event locked spells/items

[rugged turret]

You should be using smn that would benefit from having it arrow storm, I've also seen photos of 5x smn doing 50k each once buffed

[untold current]

I mean, are we actually considering giving a pet mages dance when the class can already use BL2 and has a mage dance summon? Aren’t we just widening the gap even further vs melee classes?

[mellow wren]

Plus that’s against one target, against a few of them it also splits, making it even worse

[proper scroll]

Gs sucks at aoe

Bad stats and no pet

[sharp trail]

Im a GS main but I have to, with pain in my heart, agree

[iron gazelle]

Now that I've had some time to play with it, I want to offer my thoughts on the Beheaded Trickster's Pumpkinhead and its Pumpkin Gaze (Trickster) spell.
Sadly, its a whole writeup, and doesn't fit in one message.... or two messages, for that matter.

TL;DR
The Beheaded Trickster's Pumpkinhead is great where it is stat wise and what it offers, without being "the only correct option"
The Pumpkin Gaze spell has solid tradeoffs for its damage, cost, and potential. Especially when considering that its an event equip.

If a text version of the writeup is wanted by the studio, shoot me a DM.

[cursive spire]

Oh god BoF even stronger

We had 1 slot in the free one last pass too. Nothing new.
It takes until event is half over to get it tho.

[cursive spire]

So buff Meele AoE.

Also hi. Been playing on and off. Really fun event, covers all content, its fun.

Am i the only one who finds it unreasonably difficult to get sugar?

[vagrant spear]

I wish full AoE would stop getting buffed in general tbh.

Yes, I directly asked for Dragon-Tail Sweep, but that was just to bring melee anywhere near what mages were getting from Yel. The more powerful full AoE gets, the more there is never a reason not to use full AoE

[slender roost]

but it can't use it, so it is not?

did it change?

[random mural]

No. He means that bof should not be buffed

[rugged turret]

I wouldn't say they suck. GS/oracle and just cleared a 50 floor tower in 20 minutes. Open with bl2 (90k once tmag++ and mag+) and all but nidhogg, deity, and arisen gods die, ancient dragon and w/e other pet you have kills the rest. It's not as strong as beoh but 40k AOE to start is enough for most trash encounters in tower.

And arrow storm 2 wouldn't make that better. I'd prefer my single DMG pets that do 50k+ to clean up

[proper scroll]

towers is best case scenario for gs because it's only turn 1 damage, and even then it's still below every other class except maybe gilga (idk). But in dungeons you don't have a pet, so you cant have 3x or 4x damage from a pet like other classes can do. Or course it's all relative, it doesnt mean you cant clear the content

Gs sucking at aoe is the most pronounced with wyrmhunt. Doing those dungeons and yel towers as gs was a slog from my experience

Of course it depends on your anguish level as well. At low anguish anything works

[rugged turret]

It was slow even as a beoh. Ymir having 1m+ hp was just painful

[proper scroll]

It's just my experience playing both gs and heretic that the gap in aoe capabilities between them is pretty big.

[rugged turret]

I lowered my torment to 1 for yelmongus tower

[glad epoch]

Same

[proper scroll]

I could still clear them on torment 6 as here pretty easily

[glad epoch]

Shackled?

[iron gazelle]

Just cause I'm curious, what Torment level of standard towers are you completing with the exact same setup?

[proper scroll]

No lol

[glad epoch]

Currently at torment 10 bc I've been slowing down on my tower grind. I got to like torment 7 within a few weeks of ang2.0 launch

All shackled

[proper scroll]

All im saying is heretic did really well in that kind of content compared my gs. On gs I would have had no shot clearing torment 6 during wyrmhunt lol

[glad epoch]

Sure

[proper scroll]

Even ang 0 wyrmhunt dungeons are problematic as gs

[sharp trail]

Don't even bring that up

Anguish 6 was a pain in the ass with these over 1,5 million health zerked Ymirs

Let alone if there were multiple

I once had 2

Damn that shit was annoying

[willow quest]

And then they start casing Ultima. ...

[strange talon]

Just hit 2^8 dullahan kills

Let’s see if I can get to 2^9

[smoky siren]

Base 2? smh
Do base 10

[rugged turret]

256 are rookie numbers. Gotta pump that up

Took me 600 ish to get 1 of each or ate

[willow quest]

I have all ornates btw

[strange talon]

Hope it doesn’t take me that long

All the ornates I’ve gotten have been terrible quality (170-175)

[rugged turret]

I ran with 2x tails + karmic ornate ... So clearly rng is the only thing you need

[strange talon]

Just got a 184 cloak, that’s an improvement

[unkempt ingot]

Fully buffed I was able to get 200k (not per target) from an arrowstorm

Gunnr+all 3 zerks+atk^ buffs, DC, ect....

With AD

phoniex pledge warrior did 300k arrowstorm ( not per target )

But I switch subclasses 3 times and snapshoted just to get that

Arrowstorm generally makes your magic AOE options much less powerful, and there's atm no summon that can arrowstorm better than you just spamming jinn and relying on it's AOE, which is considered one of our weakest AOE options as a summon

It's fair to say for summoners it's definitely a downgrade lol, even at base T9 summoner that cannot buff their summons

And sure you could summon 2 physical summons with arrowstorm and then take benefactor helm off and summon 3 magic AOE

But that's just a lot of work and not so available to people without riftlocks or other events under their table

It would be simpler to remove the spell, otherwise I'd be down for a spell change to mage dance, mages provane, or pumkin gaze honestly

[mellow wren]

Exactly

[wet oasis]

pumpkin gaze for summons would be dope and on theme

[rugged turret]

Already building my fomor set for later this month. Trickster head, dulla body feet shield whip. Slap some shrooms on it. Doubt it will be good for anything but fomor but why not. Let's see how much I get destroyed lol

[sharp trail]

Fomoria gear, bag of tricks onto the T5 OS

Will it be strong? Probably not
Will it be annoying? Very much

[hidden ridge]

Are the pumpkin spider enemies showing up for anyone? I haven’t seen any in dungeons, monuments, towers, world, or riftbreaks.

[rugged turret]

Nope currently bugged

Well arachnogords

[vagrant spear]

They would normally show up only in monuments

[hidden ridge]

Codexing efforts foiled

[vagrant spear]

Odie made changes to monument spawn mechanics and made a bunch of normal monument monsters no longer show up

You might be able to codex it next year, he did say he likely couldn't make the changes during this event cycle

[hidden ridge]

Is Medea included in that? I’m not sure if it is just my horrible luck, but I haven’t seen her in weeks.

[vagrant spear]

Not sure tbh

I think I've seen her but I also don't pay that much attention to Medea other than being a wall of HP

[hidden ridge]

Ornate Swansong eludes me. Actually normal swansong eludes me too.

[rugged turret]

I see her in eos tower this week and all the time in dungeon

Probably 7 times so far today

[hidden ridge]

Even running boss hordes I never see Medea in dungeons.

[rugged turret]

She's probably hiding so Justin beaker doesn't think she's a turkey 🦃

[hidden ridge]

Even when I had two votg by me she only spawned sometimes.

[vagrant spear]

I mean, she is fairly rare. But she definitely shows up plenty if you run a lot of dungeons

[rugged turret]

No need for boss horde. She can only show up on the last floor

[hidden ridge]

Dang I run a ton of dungeons and just don’t see her much.

Is there a best way to find the birds? They spawn randomly in world, but are any of the dungeons/monuments better?

[rugged turret]

Amity + candle for quest mobs took me about 5 minutes

[hidden ridge]

Ah smart

[strange talon]

200% SKULL

gg

one down

now we ask a dev for the period of the RNG function so I know exactly when I'm guaranteed to get another 200% (it's in 18 billion years)

[lavish flame]

What are tails?

[topaz perch]

https://ornarpg.com/codex/items/tail-of-a-sphinx/

[lavish flame]

Right. Thanks! Something I don’t have yet. 🤣

[random mural]

At 250 on 2 floors

[vagrant pecan]

and she was a menace in those darkrift dungeons ...

[random mural]

I didint run much bc the event didint give much

[shrewd plank]

@smoky siren you are snoomed

[pastel marsh]

From where can you find normal (tier 7) Dullahan. The bell only brings me the Arisen ones

[sharp trail]

As a t10, you can't as of now

[rugged turret]

16/25 yea but still don't need boss horde for it

[rugged turret]

Can't at the moment

[pastel marsh]

Thanks Trex713

[smoky siren]

No. Medea never shows up on floor 16

Not that I'm aware.

Being a questline boss (aka doesn't show up until you reach her quest) delegates her to final floor. Same applies to Sirus and Fallen Hero, Lover Lost

[glad epoch]

Or in Eos towers on floor 34 this week

[rugged turret]

I found her in monuments, mystic caves, and dungeons on last floor all morning . Gonna go with nothing wrong with her spawn

[strange talon]

200% cloak... but it's t7

welp

[strange talon]

198% a. whip... I'm actually getting these rather fast, no?

[swift pebble]

It really seems like the dullahan dungeon is not scaled appropriately for lower tiers. At both T5 and T6 I've never gotten past the first room, even when I'm doing fine on monuments and in the world. Is there an appropriate place to give that feedback?

[topaz perch]

So as far as grinding the event world mobs (outside of a riftbreak) go, it’s really just the usual grind minus affinity candle? Feels like I’m missing something even if I’m not lol

[gentle ingot]

No. Only half of them spawn in the world map. The other half are dungeon spawns

[topaz perch]

Oh yeah no I knew that it was more of a where in the world are the world only mobs it feels like I’m doing something wrong

[fluid dragon]

So what exactly does endless treats do?

I used one yesterday but I don't think I noticed anything happen

No info on the internet either

[inner meteor]

Increased mat drop from monsters

[sharp trail]

Double mats from mobs

Stuff like stone, wood, elemental stones as in

Won't give double refined sugar or anything like that

[fluid dragon]

Okay, thanks!

[sharp trail]

[proper scroll]

in OL gs channel we had a discussion about which aoe spell/skill should replace arrowstorm 1 on the bene headpiece. We think stonefire could be a good contender:

• it's relatively balanced power wise. Would be a bit stronger than sweep and mages dance on average damage wise but not as strong as pumpkin gaze, BL2, despair etc
• it's mag based unlike arrowstorm and sweep, so when using gaits it doesn't have anti-synergy with current aoe summons such as jinn and panda
• It's physical damage so you'd still want to have panda (or jinn) to deal with physical immune mobs such as MM, gazer and ghosts, making it not a straight replacement for those summons

[verbal vessel]

Beat me to it

[swift pebble]

I'm at T6. Where do I actually find the people who drop sugar? Is it just the impossibly hard dungeon?

[topaz perch]

https://playorna.com/codex/monsters/witch/ it's these guys, you'll find them in regular dungeons (primarily) and monuments

[wind yoke]

There is a pinned chart from Konq in this thread with that info too, and a couple posts in #game-announcements give some pointers as well!

#game-announcements message

[cursive spire]

Exactly, i was just thinking "what if"

[agile atlas]

does anyone know if the wepon + off hand is on par with helhest on the view distance?

[untold current]

Not close. The offhand has a low adorn count and the weapon was unfortunately changed to 12%

[glad epoch]

They are worse than firepikes I believe

[agile atlas]

oh wow, that is sad

[sharp trail]

Yes, Firepikes are 23%

[glad epoch]

Yeah but the adorn slots matter

[willow quest]

the monster encounter can potentially give it use as a world set for anguish profs

but i don't think anyone will bother with it hah

[lime sequoia]

How's the chain damage chance work from arisen dullahan gears? i mean i get how crit chain work, but this chain damage chance is confusing

[thin forum]

I’m still not seeing any pumpkin pail mobs in my riftbreak, (45 mins in I killed maybe 5 or so ..) I don’t know what the deal is , I have all the proper buffs going .. no affinity candle as someone mentioned earlier here, that it would draw stronger enemies in . In comparison to the hippogriff riftbreak there were dozens of event enemies which helped me build up my supplies for brich candles etc so on so forth.

[random mural]

It means aoe chance and dmg

[lime sequoia]

Thanks 👌🏻 i found the thread explaining that it works with semi aoe like slice and give more chance to do damage to more target which pretty crap

[random mural]

Yea not full aoes

[random mural]

Im not sure but dullah gears dot dmg does not seem to work

225% vs 100% should be noticable

Wait.... how is dullah gear doing less dmg with dots

Tested both sets with rot status

Fomorian gear >907 dmg per tick

Dullah >877 dmg per tick

Ahhh nvm

My weapon has hp

But ignoring the fact that other setup has bit more hp. The dmg feels low... is it capped?

[glad epoch]

It only affects the dot cap for stuff like berserk, curse, doom I think

[iron gazelle]

Doom and Starstruck are a little unique, but stuff like Burn Rot Poison Blight Bleed cap at 999 Damage

Effect Damage +50%, for example, is only good if the damage is already capped.
Burn is 5% Dmg per Turn, so a mob with 10k HP would take only take 500 Dmg from Burn.
At 20k HP; Burn does 999 Dmg
At 40k HP, it still only does 999 Dmg

With the +50% Effect Damage, it now does 1498 (or 1499) Dmg

[rugged turret]

It just seems very odd that I need +200% dot DMG to actually get the 2% listed DMG off poison, and even then it doesn't break the 2% cap.

On an arisen gaze with 54025 hp. Poison does 999 DMG (1.8%) but with +200% it now does 1080 (2%).

[gentle ingot]

Don't use seekers, it works against use. Affinity/occult are okay

[gentle ingot]

But why 🙁

[vagrant spear]

That merchant knows how to pick good bodyguards

[barren hare]

Arisen Mammon's services are not cheap

[sharp trail]

Wtf did you do to anger the merchant's guild that much

[gentle ingot]

I really needed that tunic

[sharp trail]

It's not even good for endless!!

If you have the 2 25% accessory boost amity that is

[gentle ingot]

Not yet at least. Who knows what else Odie will come out with that could boost merchant

[little fiber]

Cheap merchant didn't even pay for zerk guards

[rugged turret]

I mean mammom IS greed. Makes sense he is with the merchant

[proud linden]

Is there a good reason the dot damage cap can't be raised/removed? As long as we don't have 1 shot DOT builds?

[random mural]

Dot dmg cap can be raised

You just need chunky foe to hit cap

[rugged turret]

DMG # goes up, not the %. I think the cap of 999 DMG per dot could go. And 50% effect DMG should apply to the %. If poison and blight are 200% effect DMG it should be 6% dot each, not just 2% max regardless of your max hp. Why do 100k mobs get to take less dot DMG than 50k mobs....and why should 3m hp berserk mobs take almost no dot DMG.

[random mural]

I wish odie did rework statuses so that we could use dots much more freely

Instead of every mob being immune to everything bc then dots could be op

[rugged turret]

it doesnt make sense from a pvp perspective either, why does a 25k summoner take the max 2 / 5/ 10% per dot, Up to 25% per turn, but a 100k hp diety will only take 4-5% a turn instead of 25% cause the dmg caps

[smoky siren]

Disregarding the fact deity has steadfast and summoners do not lol

[rugged turret]

For now they do ....but yes I meant from a strictly hp perspective

[random mural]

I made a suggestion idea of the status effect rework

I will open a thread about it aswell

[iron cedar]

combed through and searched this thread but didn't see a defnitive answer:
Will Haunted Calling Bells still be a usable after the event is over or are we wanting to use them this month?

[vagrant spear]

They will not, per Dangy

[random mural]

Wait what

So i need to ring the bells now

[rugged turret]

Now...and every hour until the end of the month......bewahahahaha

[strange talon]

Finished acquiring my ornates a couple days ago so I’m done, thankfully

I think I got fairly lucky

[timber aspen]

Will endless treats be usable after the event ends?

[vagrant spear]

There's no reason to think they wouldn't be

[rugged turret]

in all fairness i dont see why bells arent usable after the event, so i think its a fair question

[vagrant spear]

Bells summon an event boss with a unique mechanic, whereas treats are just a buff consumable like any other buff consumable from other events

[rugged turret]

and moon drops/star drops summon event bosses/raids

it could be nerfed to just poping 1 after halloween

then i could spam click all 200

[vagrant spear]

Yeah I added the "with a unique mechanic" differenciator. Tbh I would've preferred they be usable post-event as well like other direct summoning items.

[glad epoch]

Make a duggestion

I'm... gonna leave that typo there and pretend it's a pun on Duh-llahan

[elder warren]

IMO Dullahan is fine being limited to event (maybe plus a week). I see it sort of an extension of the event dungeon. Its a really easy item to craft and its a really lucrative boss.

[glad epoch]

Who else finds witches and ghosts to be way rarer than the rest?

[vagrant spear]

Fine for me

[glad epoch]

I'm consistently running towers and not world farming

Even with dungeon runs mixed in, ghosts and witches seem to be rarer

[rugged turret]

I only run towers and horde dungeons now

[vagrant spear]

I'm consistantly running dungeons and not world farming lol

[rugged turret]

I was up to 1500 rotten leaves

[vagrant spear]

Feed me Cursed Ort and Realm Ore from the skeletons

[glad epoch]

None of us are world farming for mats, but in towers and monuments the witches and ghosts still seem rarer

[vagrant spear]

Plenty of people world farm
Edit: Phil edited his post

[rugged turret]

Cause they never double up. You only get 2x mummy

[glad epoch]

Wasn't exactly what I meant, sorry

[vagrant spear]

But yeah, that's why. Towers just don't have a perfect balance of mobs in their encounters

[rugged turret]

In a perfect world. Dark rift would cause witches and ghosts to spawn in horde during rift breaks

[vagrant spear]

I'm just going to do all my world farming during House of Horrors and that's how many scrolls I'll end up with

[glad epoch]

I just want witches and ghosts to spawn more in dungeons idk, doesn't seem to be enough to tip the scales

[vagrant spear]

It's RNG. I have more ghosts than anything else

[glad epoch]

But you're only running dungeons, right?

[vagrant spear]

Yeah I don't think I've run more than 3 towers since August

I'll run one today for the daily quest lol

[glad epoch]

It's not just RNG if towers + dungeons continues to grow the other mats more

You'd expect to see an increase in the mats dropped by the dungeon mobs

[vagrant spear]

Sorry it seemed like you were implying witches and ghosts were more rare in dungeons than skeletons

[glad epoch]

They might be, I can't say for sure

But there's something off either way

[vagrant spear]

And I'm saying I don't think they are because I have more ghost drops than skeleton drops

But yeah, the event isn't balanced around just running towers with the material counts

[glad epoch]

That's fair but it seems like towers are very imbalanced if dungeons can't keep up their side

Towers have all the enemies, dungeons only have some - and yet both trex and I have abundance of world farm mats

I don't know if the monster rarity has anything to do with it, but ghost/witch/skeleton are all Rare and the others are Common

Would that rarity affect their spawn rate in dungeons? So you need a lot more dungeons to match tower rates?

[vagrant spear]

Rarity might impact their spawn rate in dungeons, but it doesn't impact their spawn rate in towers

The main place it would be relevant is inside of Riftbreaks from my understanding of their mechanics

[glad epoch]

Then they're just generally rare in dungeons, and they require 4 mats from each instead of 3

[teal hatch]

My imbalance comes from this, even focus farming witches and ghost in riftbreaks causes you to get more world farming mats as the darkrift fragments can only spawn mummies, zombies, and vamps

[rugged turret]

Yup it's why I stopped rift breaks

I'll run dungeons and towers until I run out of world items

[sharp trail]

A little
Fortunately I have decent luck with riftbreaks

[errant wolf]

house of horros riftbreak is now up

[vagrant spear]

Can confirm

[topaz perch]

Spare a riftbreak my good sir? Good lord lol

[rugged turret]

That's what my OT looks like as well

I wonder if the seed for it is based on some kinda building or raid count cause I always have 3-4 around during rift events

[teal hatch]

I've seen alot of the trick or treat ones, but wasn't able to find a single house of horror's on my 40min drive home today

[glad epoch]

Riftbreaks spawn more frequently near OTs

[inner meteor]

dont under estimate the amt of crafting material from inn

[random mural]

What does house of horrors do

[rugged turret]

It's just a rift break with 80-90% pumpkin pals

[random mural]

Alr

When house of horrors origin town theme houses etc

[timber aspen]

The house of horror buff tooltip says its a 12h buff when its 1h

[rugged turret]

The rift break buff?

[timber aspen]

Yes

[rugged turret]

All rift break buffs should be 1 hour.

[gentle ingot]

Can the spawn rate of the hallowed rift breaks be increased? I've seen maybe 2 since the event started.

[sharp trail]

Nop

They reset at the start of every hour tho

Try your luck then

[glad epoch]

Go to any city

[barren hare]

or just go here

[vagrant spear]

Please do, I need people to take my settlements so they can become High Contest

But nobody ever visits

[sharp trail]

Or maybe you too stronk for them to take any?

[vagrant spear]

I'm Realmshifter Dorado/BoF, so I'm only strong until someone uses Spiked Shield or Magic Chakram

[rugged turret]

It's all about that t1 damage for taking down Doritos.... There are few people who can live through 250k t1. Second chance, parapet, and pet protection are vital

[hazy arch]

i suspect a massive rend Epee hit right after this second chance ? 👀

[vagrant spear]

The my secret as Realmshifter Dorado:

I don't have second chance || 😢 ||

[rugged turret]

You would hope so. But pvp AI is like....I should use gait of gunnr

[swift shoal]

Is the hunted calling bell still usable after the event ?

[devout trail]

No, sorry.

[vagrant pecan]

man the "House of Horrors" is suuuuccccchhhh a massive upgrade compared to "trick or treat" when it comes to farming scroll bits and pieces

[devout trail]

Not one HoH spawned while I was commuting or jogging.

[vagrant pecan]

They felt exceedingly rare, I only found one that was accessible at a time I could go get it

[devout trail]

ikr, idk why is that. should be accessible

wuoattgssmifhi

[silent needle]

Hello, just a remark : inns are a very good introduction to farm for temporary ressources, good trade off between activity and time spent doing it