Wyrmhunt (2025)

[fiery pier]

Honestly I don't think frenzy needs to have that high of a ward activation requirement, the point is that its supposed to be risky and lowering the threshold just makes it more risky

[brave mist]

Yes, 95% is a bit over the top i think

And maybe gain a turn after activating it? Most of the times in towers when i can activate frenzy i just dont because it feels like it slows me down

Is messes up my mojo

[fiery pier]

I feel like its an either/or situation. No threshold plus free turn means free one shots in pvp. With a free turn would at least need a threshold higher than 50

[brave mist]

Oh definitely, im just tossing ideas

[sharp parrot]

Could the events page in-game be updated to tell us the finishing dates of the wyrm event?

[glossy lynx]

The event itself has the correct date. The tower will be updated soon

[winged shard]

There'll be another ss rework? 😅

[sharp parrot]

So 29 August = no more key crafting?

[glossy lynx]

Correct

[sharp parrot]

Thankyou!

[eternal harbor]

According to history, Orna is stuck in an endless cycle of SS reworks

[winged shard]

How many times already? 🤣, and what's the cause i wonder? 🧐

[strong agate]

Its a hard concept to balance. Especially when other classes have access to ward aswell

[glossy crow]

Anything that ties defense to offense is very hard to balance. Especially in a game where people like to pretend defenses don't matter (because enemies that die in one hit don't get to act), right up until they do actually matter a lot (in pvp, hard pve content). 😅

In addition there's several different competing ideas around class-locking skills (good or bad?), ward regeneration (should it be easy or hard?), the ward/defensive formula itself (should ward be multiplicative or not?), and so on.

[hidden mulch]

top 10 reasons to bring back orna classic

1. rs is a class
2. ss crit
3. fishing is cosmetic once again
4. deity is a niche class
5. heretic is cool

6-10. something something al

[finite perch]

no GS 👍

[eternal harbor]

On point #1, the Orna Classic proposed cutoff was before Bloodshift stopped healing

So... eh? RS will definitely exist, and Charmer will see a lot of use

[long cairn]

Gilga need some love

[winged shard]

Eh.. no wonder i feel like many gilga equipment seems half hearted or gimmicky, it's like something holding back the dev team to actually give us clean nice things 🤠

[gusty wolf]

It is such a big difference between the gs and the thin blade?

[hidden mulch]

that's not very classic

but ig the old old orna was a bit too fucked

[winged shard]

From my gilga pov, thinblade slightly better

[potent totem]

Was that before or after high tenacity?

[eternal harbor]

I thought I remembered Odie suggesting the version that added OT improvements but leaving out the wayvessel. I might be misremembering though.

That was after high tenacity

Iirc that was the last major update before Orna 3.0, so it makes sense

[toxic galleon]

idk what Im supposed to do with this as a heretic. Can I please trade it for an ornate yel greatstaff

[reef crystal]

I’ll take that trade 😅

[potent totem]

Corvus, I guess?
You do have efficacious

[misty shale]

Anyone have any advice on how I can survive Yelbeghen's towefall? 😭 I seem to (just) manage Ultima, but towerfall is just a horrible 1-shot

[elder sun]

80% dark arcane holy dragon resistance amity

[jovial yew]

If you don't have a good resistance amity, then use ward of balor, stack all that elemental res, use rhada soul adorns ect, gotta stack some sort of element res

[eternal harbor]

Ward of Balor won't effect towerfall damage

[jovial yew]

Holy and dark res?

[potent totem]

Yep seems good to me

[eternal harbor]

There are two kinds of resistances in Orna, and that type of resistance doesn't impact it's damage

[elder sun]

I've been running gilgamage for the past few years, i don't see anything wrong with making hcorvus work in attack based builds

[eternal harbor]

According to testing Towerfall's damage is slightly reduced by having an elemental immunity, so base Beowulf may take slightly less damage than Beo Auriga

But the only significant ways to reduce it (and Ultima's) damage is Rhada Souls or an amity

[potent totem]

And gilga can't even equip mage gear

[jovial yew]

Ward of balor reduced the dmg for me with the holy and dark on wasn't significantly but it took about 5k off

[toxic galleon]

how do you know it wasnt just normal damage variance

because resist buffs have never worked on ultima as far as Im ware and towerfall is a similar omnimancy

[jovial yew]

It takes a while before you get all those elements, I have 20 minutes to ponder on my 0AL alt trying to push through the fight, 10% chance is low, and I get hit by TF at least 9-11 times before those resistances finally get on

[misty shale]

Appreciate the advice guys thanks. 24 hours to amity farm haha!

[brave mist]

Well theres some weird leap when you see a mage full aoeing for over a million dmg with a sword lol

[analog thunder]

did you press bastion?

[wooden nexus]

Rhada souls adorns

[analog thunder]

you are about as tanky as me and i just press bastion and 0 out on heretic

[wooden nexus]

What class are you using and are you using an amity that reduces % tf ele damage

[analog thunder]

Heretic and no

[potent totem]

amities/adorns won't help you zero out tf damage anyway

they're a final damage multiplier, and you can't multiply any non-zero number down to zero

[analog thunder]

The gear i used when i started doing yelb

[toxic galleon]

why the nagg belts tho

[analog thunder]

I use them now for stasis which makes the fight faster

I used ymir vritra charm and like some other acc when i was lower level

When i did flask raiding

[toxic galleon]

ah yea for stasis it makes sense, I thought maybe for lotan blight but that wouldnt make sense since yel already has a weakness

[analog thunder]

Yeah i just brought ward dog and flasked away

But towerfall 0d on me regardless

When i pressed bastion

I have 19% defend power on my shield too i guess

[toxic galleon]

due to bof I have about 15k attack, then it's just M2 multipliers on top with heretic 2.5x crit mult, temp buffs with crit poise and 40 30 amity. If gilga could equip mage gear we'd probably see crazy things as well from that lol

[brave mist]

Idk, we cant use mage gear and, even if we could, our stat passive is poop. Also BoF plays a huge part on that atk, which wouldnt be much of an option

[eternal harbor]

I'm happy Wyrmhunt was extended, it's been a good 4 weeks of grinding, but I'm also happy that there's only 24 hours left now.

[strong agate]

^this has not been said enough

[toxic galleon]

I have prefarmed some yel keys in an desperate attempt to get ornate greatstaff

4 weeks feels like its not enough to get an ornate

[strong agate]

I didnt manage to get any ornate thief gear but I got these bad boys

Which Ill never use 😭

Cuz rng gonna rng

So I feel your pain Pie

[toxic galleon]

this is what I have with 290 yel kills. Basically every ornate except thief boots and the greatstaff, and the greatstaff is the only reason why Im killing this many

[strong agate]

Im jealous, that is an amazing stash! I hope you still get the Greatstaff.

[brave mist]

Scratch that just hoc

[toxic galleon]

Im really considering it

[hidden mulch]

stop considering it and just do it

[toxic galleon]

theres a slight chance I can still get an ornate staff but its not likely

[toxic galleon]

the duo raids I did with john egbert earlier this day made me more motivated to stay hera ngl

[hidden mulch]

yeah that shit should get nerfed lol

(but be aware, beoh does it better

[toxic galleon]

no way

[hidden mulch]

the beoh players will not tell you that

[toxic galleon]

show me a screenshot of a beoh doing big dmg with bp3

[hidden mulch]

it's time to hoc

[fleet sluice]

If you know someone who's played this game and has been banned without giving an actual reason please have them reach out to me

[eternal harbor]

Should I ping a moderator about this? This sounds like one of those twitter scams that bots post whenever someone mentions getting banned

@fleet sluice what does that actually have to do with Wyrmhunt?

[fleet sluice]

Nothing. Put it in many channels@eternal harbor

[hidden mulch]

?

[eternal harbor]

I can see that

But why put it here?

[distant dune]

He is angry

[eternal harbor]

Hard to tell if he's been banned or not from the message tbh. It's worded very suspiciously.

It's worded either like a twitter scam or a class action lawsuit TV commercial

[elder sun]

Not really the place to discuss this

[eternal harbor]

Yeah, I pressed/pinged them because I was trying to figure out if it was a bot message or not given it was copy/pasted into multiple channels

Saying "this game" instead of "Orna", for example

[static raven]

Rhada adornements

[static raven]

Ward of balor has 0 effect

[toxic galleon]

Welp last day of the event and I didnt manage to get an ornate greatstaff unfortunately. I hope yel towers get 50 floor tower luck scaling the next time the event returns. The reduction in drops after that floor scaling change was very noticeable

[worthy stag]

Yeah, I usually got a daily Ornate item when I used my 5x 50 towers, since this change it became scarce

[toxic galleon]

I know its just rng, but it feels so discouraging to not even get a single ornate (nevermind the %) after putting in this much effort; doing the dungeons, finding the wild towers etc. For me it's the first orna event where I really feel shafted. The tower itself was quite fun to do imo, more fun than normal towers but the event still left a sour taste in my mouth due to the grindiness of it all

the change was also just done without any player input and wasn't even mentioned in any patch notes. Why not be transparent about it?

[finite perch]

I am noticing a sudden drop in ornate rate from my yel tower run, anyone notice the same?

[finite perch]

Ok I am pretty sure some changes were made to ornate rate for Yel since a few days ago. Why didnt NF inform the playerbase about it or was it a bug? 😢

[toxic galleon]

I doubt the ornate chance itself was changed, but it was like 11 days ago when the change was made to the floor drop scaling if that's what you mean. With a 50 floor it was 90% drop chance, twice so an expected number of 1.8 of each drop. After the change it went to 65% (25 floor scaling every time) so 1.3 of every item expected. This of course results in a lower number of ornates seen

[lyric solar]

There wasnt an issue with Ornate rates, but I believe there was a bug with what the length of the Yelbeghen Tower was considered when calculating drop rolls, of which that was fixed.

IIRC:
The original tower floor count was considered for drop rates, when it wasnt desired by the studio to do so. Now it correctly ignores original tower length.
This means that

• People that did <25 Floor Towers converted into Yelbeghen "got more drops" once the bug was fixed
• People that did >25 Floor Towers converted to Yelbeghen "got less drops" once the bug was fixed

or something to that effect? Someone else correct me if I'm wrong somewhere in here or something needs further clarification.

[viscid hare]

I'm just sad I couldn't collect dragon heads the way I was by selecting t9 boss horde on the last day because of a bug that makes you do t11

[glossy lynx]

Definitely no change to ornate rates

[worthy stag]

That's not what my inventory would say, but it could just be my feeling after getting lucky ornates in the first days and then by pure coincidence getting less after the changes.

But it highlights how important getting high quality loot is during an event with limited drop sources

[toxic galleon]

yeah for most other events you can brute force your way through bad rng but for this event that's much harder due to amount of grinding required

[worthy stag]

That and the base difficulty/annoyance of the trial you need to complete, rendering Anguish way too perilious

[vocal crater]

I would go for another event week - didn't have enough time during holidays. Still several ornates missing 😂

(but I totally get why a lot have burnout)

[toxic galleon]

it's apparently only a 14% chance to not have an ornate greatstaff after 298 yels smh

[toxic galleon]

yea.. On the one hand it's nice for it to go longer if you didnt get what you want yet, but the grind is exhausting for sure

[vocal crater]

My raid buddy waited >1000 midgards for ornate FSC 🤷

But I feel you

[toxic galleon]

fjorm was so much easier to farm tho

[glossy lynx]

yup, we'll definitely look into addressing the grindy feedback - but likely next run

[toxic galleon]

if you need 1000 yels to get an ornate you are screwed

[frank fog]

just make it so we can trade 3 or 4 ornates to 1 specific and tadaaaa 😛

[glossy lynx]

i might address the floor count thing for the extension though

it was better when the bug existed 😅

[frank fog]

LOL!

so if I understand correctly, tonight 6PM UK time is when we stop being able to 'farm keys in dungeons' but we do have some more days to use them in towers, correct?

[eternal harbor]

The suggestion I've been making is having all Yelbs drop stuff as if they were on 50 floors, instead of 25 (or the bug)

[eternal harbor]

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Discord timestamp

[glossy lynx]

i think it should just be 100% for event towers

[toxic galleon]

the bug behavior was better for endgame players, but I guess for non-endgame players who may not have 50f towers at home it's worse. They could just be doing their 10 floor OT tower and getting reduced drops without realizing

[frank fog]

Thanks

[eternal harbor]

You're the boss, no complaints about that lol

[glossy lynx]

100% - (0.01% * total player deaths on titan floor)

[glossy lynx]

the boss has spoken

to #patch-notes we go

[potent totem]

That's a very interesting concept

[eternal harbor]

Sure more player deaths should raise the drop rate, because it means the boss is harder

[potent totem]

The meta being, after you get the ornate you want, you grind and kill yourself at titan floor

to prevent people from getting it too

[eternal harbor]

You'll just end up with T11s bullying low levels and telling them not to fight the tower

[frank fog]

GS gonna increase those numbers I reckon 😄

[toxic galleon]

peak crab mentality

[worthy stag]

Ah yes, another reason to delete alts from the game

[fiery pier]

I think more raids/bosses should have avidity moving forward

[analog thunder]

can we go into the negative and get infinite drop rate

[reef crystal]

When we go into the negative, the boss gets our gear as drops

[hidden mulch]

ngl being pounded that many times does warrant a little compensation

so give yel a break

[hidden mulch]

(hey that's already the case

[winged shard]

And aoe ultimate 😂

[worthy stag]

Yelbeghen battle is (IMO) the best added content, a hard and long battle, where you have to learn its strength and weaknesses to overcome, without becoming impossible with some Anguish levels

Avidity is the creative touch to simulate multiple heads attacking you. I wouldn't mind if it was a higher Avidity !

[jovial yew]

Yel isn't hard enough we should add

Every time yel attacks it applies 3 random statuses it's heads could give, give yel AOE ultima, DB, perm all^^^, collateral dmg, weaved elements passive, and the ability to summon ymirs

add Elysian balance II, base summon stats 100%, redline, battalions III, immunity to all elements besides dragon, and immunity to all status effects in game including stasis and doom, bastille, second chance

More base HP like 30 mil seems fair, passive 5% hp regen, and make it's base magic stat a little higher

[worthy stag]

For a second I thought it was serious, you got me not gonna lie

Difficulty fanatics have a whole dedicated guild for them

[jovial yew]

Wym? What I described would make yel at least a decent fight

I'm jk but if we ever got a boss like that I'd probably contemplate why I'm even here lmaooo

[eternal harbor]

Two hours remain to craft your keys

[worthy stag]

Great Anguish in a nutshell

[worthy stag]

Please don't add more FOMO, I yelbeg

[jovial yew]

I've been done with this event since 2 weeks ago ngl lmao

[eternal harbor]

I'm trying to remove FOMO by reminding people to craft their keys lol

[worthy stag]

I'm already using 2 wv with dozen and extra dungeons just to stock as much as I can

this is the first time ever I'm grinding THAT much

[fiery pier]

I would even be fine if the hard bosses had guaranteed double turns. A lot of late game bosses have multi turns in other rpgs.

[worthy stag]

yeah, but actually, it should be better to mix some Identity passive with other bosses / raids

cough ||Zagreus||

[winged shard]

Whatever man, i just hope there'll be more cool gilgear 🛐

[worthy stag]

But it should be logical, multiple actions per turn should be exclusive to multi-membered monsters (Hydra/Cerberus-like) or extremely fast enemies

Where a Collateral Damage would be nice on huge monsters with colossal power

[bright crag]

I'm not getting a single agatemodon head, or whatever the name is, I only have 6, the game is trolling

[worthy stag]

The Creator raid is a good example of Valhallan themed raid boss

[bright crag]

I can't craft more keys

[winged shard]

I do enjoy smacking the creator 😏

[long cairn]

No wonder we dont get good gilga stuff 🤣

[viscid hare]

i have no more time to collect heads.

may I have custom title if I make it to 600 by the end of next week? 😅

[static prairie]

Next event: Yelbeghen was driven to extinction by tubbbug, we now fight his younger brother Zelbeghen.

[hidden mulch]

alternatively tubb becomes the next tower boss

[vocal crater]

Zelbeghen will also have 7 heads - if you want a guaranteed ornate drop, you must be in the boss floor of 7 towers at the same time

[hidden mulch]

hoa players rejoice

[hidden mulch]

yel towers (now post event) are bugged

they just put you into a normal tower, even with the yel option selected

[brave mist]

Chat is this real

[toxic galleon]

is this still on the table or is it for next rerun?

[hidden mulch]

was i ghost pinged twice

[worthy stag]

The irony to release an event called "Laborlight" after the most grindy event in Orna History

[static raven]

Base 100% is kinda bad

It means the summons are with no extra stats

[clear berry]

This is actually very impressive to see, at least u having fun

[viscid hare]

thank you 😊. I caught your pre- edit. I'm sure seeing my boss count doesn't put most people in an excited mood.
But I honestly did have a lot of fun setting an extreme upper bound of whats possible as a 200AL heretic with a lot of resources for dungeons/towers at the same time maintaining a busy work schedule and keeping meaningful and loving relationships with ones that are closed to them.

[reef crystal]

Congrats on the crazy grindset. Seeing players achieve crazy feats like this is what keeps me motivated to continue improving

[clear berry]

Yeah sorry for that earlier, i was just jealous that i could never do that amount of towers eficiently! So i changed to impressive which really is!

[brave mist]

My man does this look like linkedin to you

[static prairie]

I was thoroughly bitter at the event grind earlier in this topic when I said things about that kill count, but I'm honestly impressed that such a kill count is even possible within this event window... And without putting your life on hold for 3 weeks.

[severe spruce]

Wyrmhunt was fun but thank goodness it’s finally over

[hidden mulch]

so was it really fun

ngl my only gripes with the event was

1. unpredictable changes
2. horrible droprates

[green flume]

shoes never appeared in guild shop

devastated

[astral flax]

Do dragons still appear in towers after the patch or they gone for good?

[brave mist]

Theyre still in yelbeghen towers (not the regular ones)

[reef gazelle]

With Wyrmhunt over now, im struggling to get myself to do the yil towers. The FOMO is insane, the grind is insane, im severely burnt out and i only played like 40 hours over the entire wyrmhunt.
This was truly the worst i ever felt about orna, surpassing anguish 2.0 at release because anguish was a choice, this equip is too good to be called choice.

Please, NF, i dont like the trend since we got the anguish rework that suddenly everything is envisioned 10 times grindier. It was fun before, but please stop with that crap, its not fun, artificial difficulty and timewaste is never a great deal in any video game, else i would play a mobile game endless grinder with energy and all that has money in mind, not fun.

Please never repeat something like this. Appreciated, thank you.

[analog thunder]

atleast its clear this event is pretty divisive

[glossy lynx]

I’ve already communicated that the outcome grindiness was not something I liked, but it is something to tweak for next time

I think we’ve covered the topic sufficiently at this point

That said - it does feel like the event tower concept was a success, grindiness aside?

[vocal crater]

Yes, was a cool, fresh content! And for me, HoA started to become a bit boring, when grinding was only about upgrading from 190 to 195. Now in Orna, I could grind everything from the scratch, which is way more fun. So please, don't make every new item too easily accessible (there will always be a 2nd/3rd try) 🫣

[fiery pier]

Grind wasnt even that bad imo. Don't need to guarantee every ornate every events first run

[long cairn]

Love the grind, you only need to grind if you choose to. Its not like you must grind for it. People still have trev

It was a success indeed

[toxic galleon]

nah odie is trolling me. Literally 170% lmao. 1% better than my 169% legendary

[glossy lynx]

I agree - events would be less repeatable if the Ornate we wanted was near guaranteed in the first run

[hidden mulch]

enjoy your personalized fuck you

[toxic galleon]

Meanwhile I have every other weapon 190+ sonehow

[brave mist]

I thought the grind was a bit over the top, but the towers were insanely fun

[hidden mulch]

That's your ticket to deity land

[brave mist]

And like rhay im finding difficult to actually bring myself to use the keys this week. I'll likely leave them to the next event

[winged shard]

No 2h shield yet so hold your lust 😂

[brave mist]

Never. I'm lusty, oiled up and ready to do despicable things for my shield

[kind relic]

HoC to GS and you’ll get it

[brave mist]

My man is this a threat? ⚔️

[kind relic]

Maybe

I thought you were ready to do despicable things

[vocal crater]

But still: I always strongly prefer 170 ornate to 169 legendary (mine is 172 btw 😂 ). Ornate is ornate, even if low ornate. Higher number: something to aim for in the 2nd event 😄
So from my point of view: congratz 🥳 (and you need 6 dwt less)

[tulip crater]

Orna Core

[toxic galleon]

At least the 169 legendary doesnt come with the emotional damage of getting excited for an ornate only to see it's 170 lol

[brave mist]

We all have limits. I draw my line on summoner

[vocal crater]

So true 🙈

[long cairn]

Im seeing 169% as an ornate. Still worth to upgrade in my eye

[vocal crater]

Yeah, i also started upgrading both legendary staffs. Necessary condition for ornate drops 😄 But the required dwt make some real difference now

[static prairie]

I'd like to remind everyone that throwing a double down or thumbs down reaction at something in these threads doesn't make an opinion go away.

[wooden rapids]

it's still good to know how many people share that opinion

[static prairie]

Sure. So long as NF and the community can see the obvious pain points, there's no issue.

I said it before and I'll say it again: when the extension poll ended at 70% positive, it should have been seen a major warning sign. If the event was truly a hit, there would have been barely anyone saying no to extending one of the most desired events in this entire game.

The fact that almost a third were already burnt out ~2 weeks in was troubling.

I wouldn't say I'm in as bad a state as Rhayvenn, but I was burnt on dragon towers so badly that I basically only started using keys again yesterday after the first 2 weeks.

[glossy lynx]

70% is fairly normal fwiw

(considering all tiers were asked)

[long cairn]

Dear orna god odie, can we get a glimpse of whats comming next in orna and aetheric. Im really hungry for more content 😚

[fiery pier]

NF releases a monthly sneak peak newsletter for members of their patreon

[glossy lynx]

video should come soon

[reef crystal]

I know this isn’t directly related to the thread but since excessive grind was a pain point for wyrmhunt I thought I’d bring this up early. I know NF prefers to open events with higher crafting costs and then adjust as necessary, but having to farm 4500 event items to get 100 shots at the new boss is bound to bring about the exact same complaints we saw with wyrmhunt

[glossy lynx]

the big difference is partying

but we'll being it down if needed. costs were based on item counts on hand atm

[analog thunder]

We will be able to do the keys as parties? Good to know

[brave mist]

I wish my friends irl played orna :((

Buncha phonies

[analog thunder]

I wouldnt wish this suffering upon them

[hidden mulch]

foob is right

I will not wish arisen pumpkinless kc: 500, ornate arisen pumpkinless legs (170) upon my worst enemy

[glossy lynx]

yup, it's party-able 🙂

[hidden mulch]

Would you need 4x the keys for 4x the people

[analog thunder]

Im assuming its like normal dungeons

[reef crystal]

If cost increases with number of party members then it being partyable wouldn’t really affect the formula being too expensive

[royal robin]

Just up in the middle of my night, doing some quick reading:

We'll get to Riftfall questions when it's here! Odie and I will be online as event goes live to monitor anything we need to

For now, let's not fill this thread with questions about it as it messes with the feedback summaries we will be doing for Wyrmhunt. We will start a thread on Riftfall when it's active 💪

[static prairie]

I respect the fact that Dangy can walk in and literally flex future event discussions out of the topic.

[royal robin]

Feel free to do your speculation in #👋│general by all means - but asking questions about another event in this thread messes with a process I'm trying to make sure we properly capture all your feedback on events ;)

[worthy stag]

Overall yes, the battles are hard but kinda copy-paste horde dungeons, the final battle is fun AND challenging, the only annoyance is the presence of status debuff that can cancel a turn in chests.

I found myself trying multiple builds to seek the best balance between clear speed and safety, with some Anguish

[static prairie]

As much as I've complained about aspects of the event towers, the old saying "necessity is the mother of invention" very much applies to that content. I was forced to optimize in ways I haven't tried before, and this sort of challenge can definitely work if it doesn't have looming time constraints.

[analog thunder]

Yelb meant to be gone from codex?

Nvm its in bosses

[eternal harbor]

Except mine, because mine were in the single digits 🥲

[reef gazelle]

Nobody ever partys in this game cause its slow, and it only benefits alt users really...
I cant imagine people actively want to party much besides a select few with current party system

[reef gazelle]

I wish it was just horde dungeons but it was horde dungeons with tons of extra menuing which ruined it for me and actually gave me burnout for orna and specifically towers

[reef gazelle]

I only pressed yes because of the Gear, and i hoped a week more would give me a second shot after the burnout.
I didn't press yes because i had fun, and i dont think much people did...

[reef gazelle]

The amount of keys i let expiere out of sheer lack of willpower was greater then the ones i actually cleared...
I counted them.

[static prairie]

I hear you. I've been running my remaining keys on torment 1 and it made me realize that dislike of this event is directly dependent on if you can aoe Bashe.

I'm Al50 and I have a fairly well optimized tower setup outside of godly amities, but I can only one tap Bashe at torment 1 with berserk and mag+ chest buffs. That is absurd.

But if you are in the 3 digit AL range or have godly amities, this content gets turned into mowing grass.

[glossy lynx]

What? Party dungeons are still super active

[wooden badger]

Well Odie and team I enjoyed the event and didn’t have issues with it. Thanks for another fun event!

[long cairn]

WHOOEEE PARTY DUNGEON IM SO HYPED

[ocean wadi]

In the future could we get a head converter? Or just make the keys cost 105 heads of any kind?

[reef gazelle]

Is the data trimming out alt play?

[reef gazelle]

Im an AL104 deity and even i struggle with bashee, but what makes me hate is just, its the worst version and part of a tower. Ends at the floor where you usually start killing things, everything is severely HP bloated, the chest are traps that can kill you at any time without you beeing able to do ANYTHING against it. Adding to that, you have pretty weird buffs in the chest, and the usual T.X↑↑ are missing, and replaced with zerk, which i will never get, cause it just makes fighting yil an even bigger nightmare.

And then, if you look away from all of this, you end at an endboss that is just spamming +1,4 mil ward with like 50% chance and sometimes randomly gets a few turns and can kill you seldomly if he feels like it.

Overall, its dreadful. I like the dungeons, i like the IDEA of a Dragon tower, but the execution was very much on the weak side from all aspects, and not thought enough.
Already seeing that riftfall keys are asking for a potentially even more insane grind, im genuenly thinking about not caring about my 5 years of playing the game and just doing something else with my life.
Direction Orna is taking is weird and uncanny and i dont understand why its supposed to be miserable for everybody all of a sudden.

Almost everybody is burnt out from wyrmhunt from the people who defended it at first.
And now seeing riftfall, im just scared. My faith in a fun experience for future events took a pretty heavy hit.

Overall, focussing on territorys rn and hoping this mindset will go back into the nether realm and the weird P2W grind games were it belongs.

[reef gazelle]

Its been months and we still dont have a universal anguish currency to convert tokens to to buy things, while enough ppl complain about the rotation beeing obnoxious.
I dont think that will happen :(

But in that scenario we could just replace the heads with a great dragon head and do that.

[fiery pier]

I think its important to not speak in absolutes here. I understand if there are criticisms but I don't think its correct to say *everyone *is burned out or that this is bad design. I thoroughly enjoyed the event and am continuing to enjoy working through the rest of my keys, while also doing my normal towers.

When I hear a lot of the criticism, I wonder if it comes from people who already were not fans of towers. Comments like :**"I wish it was just horde dungeons but it was horde dungeons with tons of extra menuing which ruined it for me and actually gave me burnout for orna and specifically towers*" How is the level of menuing any different from normal towers? These towers are very manageable with proper setup and gear, even with the maluses. I don't think a chest can kill you at anytime without being able to do anything. Starting ward turns? Drakes blood? If losing turn 1 is a instant loss for you I think its time to rethink how you should be approaching this content. This was some of the first content in a long time that required me to regear, in multiple separate ways, for the circumstances it provided. That to me is indicative of good design.

[glossy lynx]

Yes, I am referring to party play

[fiery pier]

Regarding Riftfall, I'm happy to wait and see how hard it is to grind and how lucrative it is. If there is an economic incentive to run party play, I think that is really neat. Theres been a push away from party play for players who can solo everything and it would be cool to get back to that. I understand alt players may obtain some advantage here, but I think in current iteration of Orna there is a lot of ways to play in a very efficient manner without alts, and many high-end players do. I think its time we stop bludgeoning ideas that support party play because some players may obtain an advantage from alting.

From the video, it seems like the dungeon is almost entirely event mobs, which could be a really nice source of melancholy proofs in addition to the boss loot.

[glossy lynx]

There is no intention for Riftfall to be as grindy, and im not sure a preview video is enough to assert that it currently is

Yeah, the dungeon is great for melancholy. Fragments will also drop within (unlike Yel tower), so it is closer to self sustaining

[long cairn]

New event seemingly target beo/deity/summoners gears. A little bit for realm and a little bit for heretic. But none of it for warriors. 🥲

[glossy lynx]

The dungeon targets the classes that did not already have gear in Riftfall

[hidden mulch]

new mechanic (ig substituting in mobs after death?) looks sick, will they

1. count towards codex
2. have drops of their own

• when the backups arrive, will it be the next guy's turn (the next highest fs in party after the first guy kills everything)

or is this just info the players will find out when the event arrives

[lyric solar]

You'll find out :P

[gritty anvil]

Just curious, how high of agony (or whatever path it is for towers) were you doing for you to struggle that much even at triple digit ALs?

[royal robin]

Just a reminder, please please please - can we keep riftfall questions out of this thread? It'll become important for some stuff we're trying to do! Feel free to chatter about it in #👋│general, but this thread is about Wyrmhunt :)

[potent totem]

We probably can just close the thread - since discussion is veering so far away from it. The event is over for the most part too, it's just spending keys left.

[glossy crow]

Wyrmhunt was a lot of fun. 🙂 gg NF on a banger event

[lime aspen]

Tbh, yes. The special key tech feels a lot better than the event where you need to find a specific dungeon (looking at you phoenix). It also opens for special twist on the tower/dungeon.