3.17 General

[gray solar]

Very, very few people will be running high enough anguish to hit a point where super high ascensions are needed

Ang 20 is probably reasonable for most, and it only takes like 50 ALs

[upper meadow]

I need to re-mirror after i get 100al

[frank portal]

do your memories they literally give infinte shrines

[upper meadow]

I think scale the mats and drops by moster hp scale will be good

[desert scaffold]

because

then you can continue to accelerate as you ascend?

like now?

[edgy minnow]

nou, walking back n forth for hours is pain

[upper meadow]

Sorry what it means, you asking me right？

[hybrid sluice]

Should 135% bonus be 2.35x?

[gentle grove]

Some people like having fun dealing big DMG numbers

[desert scaffold]

so deal big dmg numbers in anguish 0

[upper meadow]

I wish to try 45ang + so i will know the ang equipment boost boosting will be legal or not

[frank portal]

there's like 25% chance of having a couchable hour

[upper meadow]

37 ang is unstable on my run

[desert scaffold]

let me try again

[upper meadow]

I think 32 about will be my comfort zone

[edgy minnow]

ye, those I'm doing fine, and also ones where I can just walk forward and do on the go

[frank portal]

it's fun kinda like gambling you never know what you'll get
go find us the fabled crit40 accessories 25 dragon 30

[junior matrix]

oh, yeah, good point

[hushed berry]

Even closer to cap outside the specific dungeons

[junior matrix]

2.35 x 1.5 = 3.525 - i'm nearly capped with just a rod

[hybrid sluice]

Well over in those types of dungeons

[junior matrix]

and very much capped with a shrine

[hybrid sluice]

But tbh that's kind of the issue, it's a little wasted

[hushed berry]

/suggest Lower anguish luck bonus?

[junior matrix]

right, which is why i'm suggesting it doesn't need to match anguish 1.0's

[hybrid sluice]

/suggest higher luck cap in anguish

[junior matrix]

like, i'm still ANG25, so i've earned the right to only need a shrine

but there is no need to match Ang 1.0's 200% luck bonus

[desert scaffold]

what about raise the luck cap to 1000% but dont increase drops after 400%

and, add the beaver as an NPC to the fight screen, and you can click on it to find out your current luck stat

[upper meadow]

I think make the luck cap higher will be good too

So everyone will start buying shirne

[hybrid sluice]

I just feel like most of the rewards obtained in ang2.0 can be obtained without anguish at all. There's not much that is special to anguish rewards

[gray solar]

Pinging since this is probably the biggest sticking point of the beta so far

What types of rewards are feasible/allowed?

I dont think the end goal is more ascension acceleration.

I put out suggestion for towers, and i know raids have the overflow luck suggestion thats reasonably popular.

Are you thinking powerful consumables like boosted EoD rewards?
Crest of felling?
Anguish shrines?
Anguish adornments?

It might help if we had a bit of direction

[junior matrix]

higher luck cap can means nearly all items drop 100% of the time, which is just not something i'm fond of in looters

[junior matrix]

personal opinion but once the allegiance tree is repeatable, i think that's a great reward structure

[upper meadow]

But it will be fun if someone wearing luck equipment and challenge ang50 (with 800%luckcap)

[hybrid sluice]

What about a different kind of luck overflow, like multiple of the same drop a la berserk

That's already been suggested for raids

[junior matrix]

multi rolls is neat

[edgy minnow]

getting 10-20 "+7% fire resist" and alike in a row is enough to stop me from ever doing memories again, too much useless amities for content that I can't combine with everyday life (back n forth walking)

[gray solar]

Allegiance guild being repeatable is new info (at least to me?)

So i guess we can focus there on what we'd like to see for those rewards

I know currently they feel sort of lackluster, but I'll go dump some feedback in that thread

[desert scaffold]

literally the same thing

[edgy minnow]

I can raid on second screen using scrcpy and some binds while working, I can't work while walking back n forth outside in -30 °C

but its mostly personal thing

its just in my location best option to stop amities spawning in inaccessible areas is pick a big part of city and start from centre, then to reroll - go in exact same spot again and do it all over

[desert scaffold]

I agree, distances/interaction radius being both an order of magnitude too high.. anyway..

[edgy minnow]

too high?! you mean we need to walk to exact place of memory hunt

[desert scaffold]

if they spawn within 60 meters and have a 20 meter interaction radius, yea, i could do that in the city

vs 600//200 now

or is 200m the diameter? anyway way off topic, its not changing

[edgy minnow]

all I want, is that by playing non event anguish 2.0 T11 dungeons - I won't need to also play T8 dungeons with an alt to compensate keys

[hybrid sluice]

250m

[edgy minnow]

that 250 feels like <100 near high risers, since gps never puts you in a proper position near beeg building

[latent karma]

General thoughts: I think its good that new anguish is way harder but think it could be calibrated down slightly. I thought the difficulty yesterday was good in context of my SS build but it doesn't seem like other builds are as successful and now ss is also weaker.

IMO the sweet spot is that horde mode is consistently approachable if you're geared somewhat good for the ang level and are playing well. Its very difficult and subject to luck at the high end even with current anguish bis gear. I say horde mode because its much more interesting than solo in terms of combat decision.

In the context of my beta testing, many of us are using God made bis gear that we've accumulated over many years, mostly at the top end of the AL shackle threshold. In actuality we will be assembling non-bis effective gear piecemeal as we go up. And new players will be entering specific levels at the bottom of the AL shackle. We will also be subject to looting and blacksmithing delays.

If content is on the bleeding edge of difficulty under beta conditions it will be nigh impossible under live conditions. Would suggest either a general decrease in stat scaling, expanding AL thresholds or both

[lost pebble]

Is there an anguish overall thread? I couldn't find one in a quick search

[latent karma]

Its pretty much this one

[lost pebble]

I do have a few questions on the Anguish changes:

• What are the new rewards to compensate for the increased difficulty coming with Anguish 2.0? Currently it seems like the Anguish rewards will be about the same but a lot harder to be able to get those same rewards.

• How will there be a balance on ease of ascension for new players? New players coming into the game and working on getting to t10+ will now have a significantly harder time getting ascension levels compared to those that have had Anguish 1.0 over the last couple of years, creating a power gap larger than there already is.

• How are we supposed to keep track of multiple load outs for different Anguish scenarios? Having 100+ pieces of anguish gear to max out to be ready sounds like it will be pretty confusing if you're not spreadsheeting all of your gear. Will there be a "Suggested Gear" option added to pull gear that has appropriate stats for the current anguish stats?

[junior matrix]

1. that's kind of the point. Anguish 1.0 was too easy and presented a bad difficulty-to-reward ratio. Angiush 2.0 aims to make the ratio a little more appropriate (it also has Guild Allegiance, which are extra rewards over Ang 1.0)

2. the powergap stuff can generally be made for any new addition to the game, and is generally not something we can "solve". however, i'm not sure i agree that ascension is significantly harder for them here

3. why would you need 100+ pieces of gear at the ready?

[upper meadow]

100+ piece for some player like me

I like to try different build

[loud yew]

"why would you need 100+ pieces of gear at the ready?"
To fill my ~40 equipment loadouts

[lost pebble]

1. I understand that, I am just hoping for rewards that are not exclusive to anguish content, to be fair I haven't looked into the guild allegiances much yet and will do that now.

2. I disagree. Currently a new player is able to build up a few anguish levels with relative ease leading to better rewards with less need to build up of gear.

3. See image:

[upper meadow]

But the cost will stop lot of player to trying some new playstyle

I get some 199 equipment from Amori, but new ang with the cost stop me to test with hoc & heretic

[lost pebble]

To elaborate on 3. If there are going to be this many malice's, depending on the type of content you are doing, you're going to accrue a lot of gear to help counter all of them + normal boss skills. Just looking for a way to try to save time when building a load out looking through current and future anguish gear

[loud yew]

If you want to completely change your play style and use new builds that is just the commitment that you have to commit to? Kinda like how it's always been with needing to farm decently high % gear and GF it, just now instead instead of high % gear it's high AngLevel gear. It's meant to harder, not the same

[upper meadow]

The cost of ang equipment level been a problem now

[hybrid sluice]

I also hope for anguish to give some unique rewards (not just the typical allegiance rewards)

Even if it's just stuff like luck overflow

[upper meadow]

This is the poll result i found in Hoa discord

Im not surprise the vote lol

[lost pebble]

To be fair, none of the polls are very useful

Less than 1% of the player base votes in them

[hybrid sluice]

Ang 50 is also not a fast grind like current

[loud yew]

There're multiple ways to get anguished gear, for items with simple mats you can use DWTs or items with raid mats you can try and farm for the drop, and if you don't get it you'll get lots of mats to make it with DWTs.
The goal is not to reach your max anguish level within a week or so, afaik it's meant to be a grind similar and co-exsisting with your AL grind

[hybrid sluice]

Probably like 10% of people with ang 50 now would be able to reach ang50 in 2.0 I'd guess

[granite lily]

most likely less than 10%

[upper meadow]

This is totally different with your AL

[gray solar]

I dont think anybody will be doing ang 50

[granite lily]

how much of the player base is AL80+?

[upper meadow]

You able to using hoc for mats returning

[gray solar]

Not unless it gets super nerfed

[lost pebble]

So imagine new players trying to catch up. Massive burnout incoming

[granite lily]

Because I got stuck at 38 already with my 81 ALs hahahah

[upper meadow]

But ang equipment nope

And if the equipment get nerf, you are unable to return any mats invest from the equipment.

[hybrid sluice]

Nobody's coming into the game trying to catch up to anguish 50 grinders

[gray solar]

Whether ang 2.0 launches or not, new players aren't catching up to anybody that regularly plays unless the new player plays for 10 hours a day

I personally think this isn't ideal, but its a seperate issue from anguish. Even ang 1.0 isn't immediately accesible

[upper meadow]

Im 97al with 37-38ang, do we able to bypass？

[granite lily]

Oh, no we are not but the system counts my ALs among all classes I think. It would have been more accurate to say that I have 81ALs on my main class, and some other ALs peppered across some others for a total of 99

[upper meadow]

Oh so other class with AL count？

[granite lily]

apparently, yeah

[upper meadow]

Lol the shackles will cause more problem to those player invest 10al per class lol

[granite lily]

to be fair - doing that has never ever been a good idea

[upper meadow]

Will the shackles calculate all class al

If yes they should limited it to current class al

[hybrid sluice]

The shackles just limit how many ALs you can utilize in your current class

The requirement for progression is not tied to the shackles

You could try 10 ALs in ang 38 if you have enough ALs in other classes

[upper meadow]

Ok that is good, so we will not saw some new player invest 10al per class get suffer

😂

[echo night]

Waiting for the gear reroll promo code 👀

[junior matrix]

For 2), how is it easier? Anguish 2.0 doesn't even have the boss requirement

For 3) You're only doing one level per content at a time - i suppose that is why i'm confused about needing so much gear at the ready. in my mind, your saved equipment sets are progressing with your through anguish

[upper meadow]

But the ang equipment should not be the biggest problem to limited our player experience more gameplay

Thats why i suggest make the ang equipment upgrade like godforged system

[granite lily]

Only sticking point I see with regards to 3 is towers being cojoined with monuments. Monuments are a bit awkward in that they are similar to towers but not enough to really run the same sets

I agree otherwise

[echo night]

Oh wow I didn't actually think the reduced materials would be considered

[upper meadow]

Any code for reroll coming soon？

Let me check how much cost for masterforged and demonforged soon

[serene bluff]

Did we get a code to try out the new anguished crucible item on our mirros?

😄

[echo night]

Still waiting afaik

[granite lily]

Quick, I think if we ask 5 times we might get it faster

[echo night]

Trueee

[upper meadow]

Odie my dad

I want code

[junior matrix]

will there be a code for reroll?

[hybrid sluice]

Code: ANGUISHEDCRUCIBLE

I got you Odie

[junior matrix]

tysm

[uncut rampart]

I think he means like how we got aaru anvils and pathspurs to test

[fierce island]

You'll have to ask Odie

Or just grind some towers/monuments

[upper meadow]

The world ang token grind is so hard now

Lmao i grind 1 hour yesterday and get 0 token

[granite lily]

insert Pagliacci quote

[junior matrix]

code: ANGUISHED20 for 20% off your first year of NordVPN

[serene bluff]

I want to test it on like all my items

see if we missed any good settings etc

[serene bluff]

bonuses*

[echo night]

Uhh wdym we have to play the game if we want to use the item

[hybrid sluice]

Oh whoops I have to put that code into NordVPN website

[upper meadow]

Odie lie

[fierce island]

No phil https://nordvpn.com/orna/

[serene bluff]

If I wanted just 1 that would be ok 😄

[lost pebble]

2. You're messing with me, right? In your first reply you stated that it was too easy, which directly correlates to ease of ascension.

[hybrid sluice]

We shouldn't ddos the page

[fierce island]

Yes it was a joke it's not a real page

Posting the 404 isn't playing along

[serene bluff]

I had enough exploring for the day 😄

That was what I meant to show lol

[granite lily]

What do scientists say? Correlation does not mean causation or some such

[junior matrix]

deep anguish content, yes. is that a requirement for ascension?

[gray solar]

10/10 decision to convert the 2H malus into AoE malus

Love it

[upper meadow]

Something i need to feedback on ang 36-38 dungeon

[serene bluff]

Horde Boss Hard deep anguish dies with this....maybe not a bad thing

[upper meadow]

I found my equipment with current ang level, 190 quality+

[fierce island]

I guess it's time for me to join Bwubble and grind for proofs of torment

[serene bluff]

I just realized hard deep anguish sounds like a Grindcore band

[upper meadow]

My m1 is unable to break berserk monster defense

[fierce island]

Is it Anguished gear?

[lost pebble]

For anyone actively trying to ascend and catch up, yeah, anguish is a requirement

[fierce island]

Anguished weapons have much higher attack/magic, therefore they can penetrate much easier

You also might want to use a different skill depending on what you're trying right now

[upper meadow]

Yes with highest ang level on my equipment

[fierce island]

What skill are you useing?

[upper meadow]

Swansong

[granite lily]

knew it

[fierce island]

Ok that would be why lol

[granite lily]

was going to call it

[upper meadow]

I didnt use aoe skill

[gray solar]

For reference this is a 196 labrys

[upper meadow]

I use normal attack

[gray solar]

Material cost is way down

[upper meadow]

But didnt break their defense yet

[echo night]

Like just a slash? Try using verse

[upper meadow]

I gonna check if the 2 hand power on roll, hope it will helping me

[desert scaffold]

how about anguish content beyond lvl 5 for tier 9?

working as intended? sneak preview only?

[upper meadow]

I get kick out from dungeon before changing my skill to verse

Will try next time

[hybrid sluice]

Looking like around 25% of the usual cost

[granite lily]

you can AL as tier 9 || but please don't||
not true, I am wrong

[junior matrix]

"catch up" is likely not something we'll ever solve with any addition to the game. Refinery change is probably a better example of this. i just can't engage in this debate as it's always a non-starter - we've got to press on

sure, content will be more difficult/engaging, but i'm confident new players checking out Anguish can adapt to it

[upper meadow]

More difficult but i want more rewards

[hybrid sluice]

Yup 25% of non-anguished cost

[granite lily]

This is pretty great

I think it will alleviate the concerns about having to regrind gear

[serene bluff]

I do want the reward for my time to be commensurate but I know that has to be tested in live and adjusted to something appropriate

[upper meadow]

It is a good compare before update

150 x 50 level = 7500 mats

I remember it is 25000 before update

[lost pebble]

I hope you're right.

[desert scaffold]

I want orna to launch a proof of stake virtual currency that pays off when I spend time in game

[fierce island]

Proof of Frequent Visitation

[gray solar]

Am I blind or is the crucible button not implemented yet for gear?

I was expecting it next to the godmaking and demon tools

[junior matrix]

oh, client update needed

[vast quail]

Is there a max anguish level?

[junior matrix]

4,294,967,295

[serene bluff]

what? not 999,999,999,999+?

[fierce island]

The real question is why would Orna be constrained to a 32 bit integer value

[junior matrix]

it wasn't serious

[fierce island]

The dev Q&A where Odie mentioned the language Orna was written in is long archived, but I didn't think it was a language where that number mattered

[junior matrix]

but nerds would get it

[fierce island]

I figured lol

[uncut rampart]

I'm just glad it's a uint32. Negative anguish would be strange.

[hybrid sluice]

The numbers sound familiar but idk where it's from

[upper meadow]

Another suggestion, the gold boost for ang need to add back

[granite lily]

it's 2^32

[vast quail]

Is this serious orrr

[tribal pond]

.

[vast quail]

Oh

[tribal pond]

[hybrid sluice]

The answer is no limit I believe

[vast quail]

Oh good

[upper meadow]

Do the new ang2.0 got a level cap？

Like 50 ang

[granite lily]

just scroll up a bit

like, 3 messages

[upper meadow]

If we can exchange proof from a path to another path will be good

I still grinding for my first proof of despair 😂

[edgy minnow]

100:1, feels about right for Anguish 2.0

[echo night]

They're probably meant to stay separate for this reason exactly

To progress a type of content you should have to play that type of content

Now the problem of obtainability is a different one

[upper meadow]

Maybe they able to make exchange rate for each

[fierce island]

Keep in mine proofs now come from normal monsters too, not just bosses

You can just spam killing T10 monsters

[upper meadow]

Let me try, i think ang 1-5 will be the hardest time lol

[gray solar]

Im now taking bets on whether or not I can work through anguish 50 towers on beta

Winners get the privilege of saying they were right

[tribal pond]

I bet you could

[edgy minnow]

bruh

I know the chance is increased, but to such degree

[main magnet]

id be more mad it didnt hit the only 2 useful items there lol

[edgy minnow]

also no shield, even with boosted odds :(

[main magnet]

rng is still rng in anguish 2.0? who'da thunk it

[hushed berry]

Oh no, I ascended too hard and my Anguish Levels turned into Glee Levels
Oh god, everything is so easy and I'm so happy all the time

[gray solar]

Is anybody else unable to battle on the beta?

[edgy minnow]

suddenly nothing loads for me yeah

[junior matrix]

Path of Satisfaction
Path of Elation
Path of Laughter
Path of Sactity

[edgy minnow]

i got stuck in dungeon after this

and now its blackscreen

[junior matrix]

fixed in a min

[edgy minnow]

9 ornates from 2 bosses crashed orna servers 🗿

[junior matrix]

what a bunch of potatoes

[tribal pond]

we can actually blame russia this time, woo!

[hybrid void]

isnt the max in js something like 2^53

[edgy minnow]

Oi !

[junior matrix]

backend is python

[modern dragon]

People will hit a wall at some point probably, since difficulty looks like it scales faster than anguish gear and stats. So at some point no matter your build, even with tricked out anguish gear it won't be enough

[edgy minnow]

if its python its unlimited 🗿

cort requirement for al 500 required for anguish 55

[hybrid void]

not gonna lie I always thought the backend was nodejs

[edgy minnow]

doubt, too expensive, too slow

[hybrid void]

wym, its hella fast

[edgy minnow]

ive seen a 4tb ram 256 cores server die to node.js

[desert scaffold]

web assembly or bust

2025 is the year of web assembly

[fierce island]

Thanks, I thought so but that old dev Q&A is gone 😦

I assume it's archived somewhere in this Discord where we can't see it

[edgy minnow]

at some point i just started compiling my C++/OpenGL/Vulkan project into webassembly with imgui :D

sadly...you cant run from JS while doing that...

[serene bluff]

I have so many jokes and war stories about Node.js

js should have never been a backend

But it pays the bills so I am ok

[loud yew]

Damn that's a pretty good first roll

[desert scaffold]

holy sh**

[serene bluff]

Love these new icons

But hate this still lol

[loud yew]

I hope this kind of luck continues into live

[serene bluff]

What's being rerolled on that?

The crit?

or follower and crit?

[fierce island]

Follower is scaling, crit is being rolled

[serene bluff]

That's pretty dang sexy

too bad I still can't test on my mirror, maybe tomorrow will be raids

[hallow dune]

Do you have your sheet of possible rolls by chance again?

[serene bluff]

Was going to ask if he has blown through those

[loud yew]

Still have yet to get the % ranges put in

(if anyone notices I'm missing any please ping and lmk, but as far as I can tell this is all of them)

[serene bluff]

Wondering if there are some rarer ones we could be missing though rerolls, which is why I was hoping for like 1k to test

[edgy minnow]

but all we got is 20% off of NordVPN :(

[main magnet]

I can wait to put my anguished item in some walls.

[hallow dune]

Do we know if the ward turns are per battle or per wave?

[serene bluff]

Per turn

it's always been per turn

[hybrid sluice]

Per battle

[gaunt turtle]

These are the anguish bonuses that scale, correct? For example, the ward recovery % rolled on a torso piece would be higher on anguish 15 gear relative to anguish 5 gear?

[hallow dune]

Was just curious ty

[gaunt turtle]

Another question, does def/res penetration rolled on a weapon apply to followers? I know +basic element damage on gear applies to followers; if penetration did it would likely help with some of the follower raiding concerns at the moment.

(setting aside the whole "you have to get it on the specific weapon you want" thing)

[edgy minnow]

theres def/res pen on mori gear already, and i didnt see anyone talk about it working on followers

[serene bluff]

So If you have 9 ward turns and hit a button it goes down to 8, if the enemy doesn't die from that button push they take a turn and it comes back to you

You could technically say per round as both sides take a turn

[gaunt turtle]

Yeah that is what it reminded me of. I want to say it would make sense for the def/res pen to apply to followers... reason being, Fey Cactus gives +7% accuracy on its bestial bond 3 and in spamming ang 1.0 boss hordes with basically no extra dex it didn't feel like he was missing as much as expected.

obviously this is a gut feel thing, but +accuracy is just yet another passive on the gear. +Crit on gear doesn't apply to pets, but there is also a Bonded Crit bestial bond ability for that.

[serene bluff]

Is the anguish attribute supposed to level up with anguish like the other stats?

I did this at level 1 and that hasn't moved from 4%

[hushed berry]

The passives are static. They don't scale with level

[serene bluff]

Got ya ok

Buckled down and did another sandbox since we can't get a code for god tools, demon tools and crucibles 😄

oh hell they are random

It took me 62 of these to get 1% better Follower Act

[vast quail]

What does the stat bonus on last martyr gear do

[serene bluff]

Seems like its range for percents are 4-7

what you mean?

[vast quail]

Does it just effect the items scaling or your total stats

It says "stat bonus +1%/anguish level"

[serene bluff]

So this is anguish 1

let me go make it 5 real quick

takes a bit since I am HoA player, we have to "travel" to our alchemy

anguish 5

So I think, maybe that might be additive per level?

but not culmalitive just 5% more now?

[edgy minnow]

been said couple times already, those bonuses are +1% per anguish level

[serene bluff]

I wasn't the one that asked, I was responding but wasn't 100%

[serene bluff]

This is who was asking

So yeah Base stats, will get powerful when it gets up to +50%

but the mobs will be super powerful then too

[granite lily]

I might be dumb, but how do you use the crucible?

Oh, client update was needed it seems

[serene bluff]

yeah there was an update for it being broken

not dumb 😄

Did anyone figure out mana recovery and why it's negative?

[edgy minnow]

did you try it on class with recharge passive 🤔

[serene bluff]

Uhm

Sweet

I am the raid boss now

[zealous coral]

Finally we shall grow out of ward

Jeez

[dense elk]

what is the heck is goin on there

[zealous coral]

Its just t10 scaling

You wouldnt know

[dense elk]

CHEESE AND CRACKERS that's a lotta health what in the...

[zealous coral]

☠️

[serene bluff]

Not sure why

Must be an overflow

[edgy minnow]

what the hell is this

[granite lily]

What? You don't have 40M+ HP? Weird

[serene bluff]

It may be an HoA bug

So I logged it there

[desert scaffold]

the passivea are static means what? the flavor text says it scales

but i didnt see my stats screen changing at all (bug report in)

(wouldn't the stats screen love be nice?)

[serene bluff]

What's really funny to me is that my ward is still only 40K with that much health and mana

[edgy minnow]

can you try north star with that mana?

[serene bluff]

its a sandbox

[edgy minnow]

you know, the one with mana to damage

[edgy minnow]

damn, theres no northstar in sandbox

[hushed berry]

Anguish scales the item's stats, such as Attack/Magic/Defense/Resistance/Health/Mana

Anguish does not scale the item's passives, such as... well, everything in the [Sirith Checklist](#1369690605835387040 message). The bonuses that you can reroll with the Crucibles. Those don't scale.

[serene bluff]

It's additive to your anguish level, my guy with 54M is only Anguish 5 and It maybe the Anguished Spec testing that now

[hushed berry]

@serene bluff @edgy minnow I know nobody uses it for it, but I feel like I am legally obligated to tell you that Mana Burn is a regular ass skill available from Zweifencer

[serene bluff]

let me see if I can get it back

Yeah its the Spec

[edgy minnow]

which spec? 👀

[edgy minnow]

i can list so many things as of why i dont know about it, but still, now way its a skill

[serene bluff]

Anguished One

It's the Spec from Allegiance rewards

[zealous coral]

Im under the impression that the problem comes with the anguished spec

[edgy minnow]

doesnt happen on my sandbox account :'(

wait

no

oh shit, a rat

[serene bluff]

heh

[edgy minnow]

what is that hp/mana

[serene bluff]

Yeah confirmed

Exponential Gains

[hushed berry]

Slightly hilarious

[serene bluff]

The funny part to me is the Ward

[brittle viper]

Eh, the code anguishedcrucible is not real???

[serene bluff]

lol

[hushed berry]

We did it guys
We powercreeped ward

[edgy minnow]

bruh

1 press

no buffs

[desert scaffold]

ara ara ara

[serene bluff]

lol

[brittle viper]

Weak

[edgy minnow]

WAIT

[serene bluff]

northstar for the win

[hushed berry]

You'll need to drink a lot of potions to get that back

[edgy minnow]

i can role limit break on anguish items

[serene bluff]

time for the 50% cap amity

2X

Is that arcane damage?

[desert scaffold]

its emotional damage

[loud yew]

[edgy minnow]

limit break works

but I only have 1 heart

[serene bluff]

We broke the game 😄

[edgy minnow]

can you try PLS

[serene bluff]

With Anguished One specialist

[edgy minnow]

5 heart for limit break + north star

[loud yew]

[edgy minnow]

now, north star

[serene bluff]

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner

[desert scaffold]

vs Arisen Anguish

1 hit 1 kill

[serene bluff]

I shot 2 kills

[loud yew]

I don't have one on my beta account nooooo

[junior matrix]

I see y’all found the hp cheat code on gamefaqs

[serene bluff]

Yup

Totally on accident

It was anguishedcrucible all along

[edgy minnow]

weak 🗿

why did I delete all hearts of Oceanus

[serene bluff]

did you delete or just have in storage?

Storage doesn't copy over

[loud yew]

Managed to reach 400mil HP

[serene bluff]

That's awesome

[edgy minnow]

guys, that goblin was too strong, had to use more power

[edgy minnow]

its so sad that it doesnt convert to ward

[serene bluff]

If you look at your stats I think that's why ward isn't stacking

you have like single number stats

[edgy minnow]

it updates hp/mana in battle

but I think ward is calculated before that

[loud yew]

It's interesting if you're not full HP/Mana before battle it doesn't give you the extra HP

[edgy minnow]

wait

sirith

[serene bluff]

yeah you have to do the fight and it resets

[edgy minnow]

do you have festive scrolls?

[loud yew]

They can only be used during the December event

[edgy minnow]

I have 3, easy north star

[edgy minnow]

bruh

[serene bluff]

Yeah otherwise people would be using them everyday heh

[loud yew]

(sorry I keep accidentally leaving on ping 😅)

[serene bluff]

Hey, did someone do a post with the max% %/stats so far of anguished Passives? I know Sirith has his sheet but doesn't have the range yet

I could have swornd someone did but can't for life of me find that post

[dense elk]

man a 5% Max HP, Mana, and Ward healing amity would go hard here.

[granite lily]

Finally, a reason to use the rest function at the inn

[desert scaffold]

hydrate!!

[edgy minnow]

hp regen is wild

[granite lily]

Bug description: Used the rest button at an inn while using The Anguished One spec and the inn got deleted immediately

[brittle viper]

Jajajajaja

[edgy minnow]

what's interesting, status damage is still based of off normal hp

even with 250% damage malus

i thought I lost my raid

[loud yew]

[edgy minnow]

every turn you generate 1 AW raid

[neat glacier]

This is funny to see

[worn pawn]

what the actual fuck am i looking at

[edgy minnow]

what I found

• neutra manyalus (target: all) doesnt work with mana burn
• when you switch floors - mana snaps back to max

the bug is some where In fight init

it is not only huge, but infinite

[edgy minnow]

we found the cheatcode
#1369690605835387040 message

bruh

Odie just live fixed it

[worn pawn]

literally 1984

[edgy minnow]

atleast I have the 112mil manaburn damage screenshot

[tribal pond]

We had this issue with HP too, redline classes were on a struggle bus for awhile

[serene bluff]

World farming still on the struggle bus for hp resets

[tribal pond]

I will accept 51m health if I cannot redline, thank you

[tribal pond]

Small health potion economy in shambles, big if true

[fierce island]

Odie could've let it run overnight until his next workday lol

[desert scaffold]

this was fixed

[desert scaffold]

brave to assume the server isnt still in his basement (next to cheese wheels and frozen last year's blueberry preserves)

[hasty solstice]

About anguish 2.0 in general.
What do you guys think of the fact that old gear cant be as usefull as new anguish drops?

I mean that the ornate anguish grind is going to be very rough and some gears cant even be anguished due tier locks.

Also what do you guys think of a anguish gear bonus "drop quality" ( same as sphinx stails) that could slightly make the grind less painfull for non raid content. You still need it to roll on the ang gear so its not very common. I wouldnt mind if ang lvl also increased drop quality a little in general.

What do you guys think? Do we realy want to go back to the constant raid grinding in hope we maybe roll ornate and decent anguish rolls?( also lets not forget how long ang raids can get) im not asking for huge drop buffs.

[orchid coral]

No mo beta mirrors?

[proper dagger]

I would say most relevant gear is from raids, so it doesnt matter that much to get an anguished tail

Bosses are quite good farmable

[orchid coral]

Regular gear scales with ang level but as a fraction? Or only the great anguish wrb gear?

[proper dagger]

Only anguished gear, which is dropped as anguish gear or made anguish with the hammer (demonworking tool or godmaking tool)

Any +mf gear can be set to anguish, but needs again to mf/df, but with good less amount of mats

[hasty solstice]

I know, but if anguish lvl itself had somekind buff for drops like"drop quality+10%" at ang lvl 10 or smth

It could be added to path pf agony

Bc ang raids will be slow af so there should be something that rewards you for fighting 30mins on raid

It could be like 1% drop quality per agony lvl

[proper dagger]

x% drop quality per minute 🤣

[hasty solstice]

It would follow the logic of typical hard content in most games "harder difficulty=better loot"

[modern saffron]

wait how is 135% luck bonus just a x1.35, i thought it meant x2.7? isnt 35% luck = 1.35x?

[serene bluff]

135% from the bonuses of his level of anguish

[compact quail]

it was a mistake, read few messages below that
135% = 2.35x

[modern saffron]

yes sorry it was addressed later

had to catch up with chat a lot of messages 🙂

anyway is there a code for crucibles?

so what's the highest boss horde anguish level you guys are managing to tackle?

[sacred flame]

iOS beta version is 3.17.21, Android beta version is 3.17.23

Is iOS being bullied?😅

[viscid bloom]

Yep

[sacred flame]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-hamster-sadhamster-hammy-hampter-popcat-gif-6561088576429774594

[rustic escarp]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-first-time-smiles-gif-14991372

[granite lily]

38. It is my cap. It is not hard it is just slow.

[desert scaffold]

tbh this doesnt feel as bad as when towers dropped. Im not sure why, maybe because the anguish gear is only better in anguished modes

[hybrid sluice]

You can also DT old gear if you want to use it in anguish

[maiden sierra]

And then Acru it for additional stats or reroll

[edgy minnow]

wait, I just realised, is AL requirements on new anguish is not "max on class" but rather "total sum for all classes"?!

I have only 26 max, but it says 48

[compact rover]

yes :D

[edgy minnow]

so 126 al required was actually about total al, so I can just have a bunch of al on other classes instead of spending tens of thousands of mats on one, and since shackles is a thing, its even better

[hybrid sluice]

The game will you let you try anguish higher than the recommended AL, yeah

[hasty solstice]

thing is that old gear does not get extra effects

nvm i just noticed the new consumable

how does acru work ?

[maiden sierra]

From an anguished equip, in the bottom menu

[edgy minnow]

you need latest update for the button to appear, then the same as other tools, rerolls seem to be random, dont know about rarity yet

[loud yew]

Just found a new anguish bonus I didn't know of, if anyone finds/gets any that are not on this list please ping me

[edgy minnow]

dexterity? im sure I rolled like 3-4 times on 1h sword, its not that rare 🤔

[loud yew]

I don't think it's rare, just haven't noticed it/seen it before so either it's a new bonus or I'm extremely unlucky LOL

[serene bluff]

Man I just hope the grind for the crucibles isn't too terrible in the current ittertion

I have spent over 80 now just to try to see all the bonuses and to min/max them

Anyone get follower act above 5%?

Accuracy 9%

The mana recovery -99%

Dex 151

FS 91 I think

[hasty solstice]

I got 100 something fs

[serene bluff]

I may actually have to make a few sandbox at this rate

[hybrid sluice]

I'd like to see at least one unique reward type for each Anguish path, something that isn't really seen elsewhere in Orna. Here's what I mean:

• Raids: raid luck bonuses allows for multiples of the same item dropping, possibly increased chances of ornate drops as well.
• Dungeons: bonuses to EOD drops - like increased quantities, increased rarities, and/or increased quality.
• Towers/Monuments: chance for multiple monumental proofs per enemy (increased baseline chance in towers), chance for random enemies to gain godforge aura (similar to random zerk malus)
• World farming: increased chance for quest enemies, event enemies, baseline arch-alchemy rate (can increase rate/quantity), increased monster spawn rate, chance for random monsters/bosses to have godforge aura, increased memory hunt interaction range, increased VD??

[hasty solstice]

Summonstat

[serene bluff]

There is an anguished summon stat like follower stat?

Nice

[gentle grove]

Fomor crown of mine also has summon stats

[serene bluff]

Erm that seems bugged no?

2 Summon stats and crit 0?

[gusty basalt]

I am excited for a beta mirror 😃

[serene bluff]

Those are base sgt

accuracy is the anguish addon

[hasty solstice]

Thats just base

[serene bluff]

Odin has an odd one with 2 summon stats and a crit 0

[gentle grove]

Oh you mean like the far right "accuracy?"

[eternal drum]

You and me both. We are the next two on the list lol

[serene bluff]

Yeah far right basically

[gentle grove]

Gotcha my b

[serene bluff]

It's ok we all learning

[hasty solstice]

I mean if you can get double rolls im down

Imagine triple

[serene bluff]

yeah that seems messed up somehow

may need more people to throw down on some weapons for testing

[gusty basalt]

I got my fresh HOC ready on my live account and I am ready to test and stop talking. Feels like most convos are in circles and I am ready to get some data

[serene bluff]

So when you get your mirror you get free HoC

on the mirror

[edgy minnow]

all rune shop purchases are free on beta, including hoc

[serene bluff]

All the purchaseables are free yeah

[fierce island]

But your ascensions cost different materials in beta compared to live

[serene bluff]

And that too

[fierce island]

The way that works out, if you HOC after your mirror you very likely can't ascend another class very far

[serene bluff]

3-7% Seem like the right range?

Spent 100 to get that

[loud yew]

The ranges so far are purely based off all the items I have gotten in the beta so far (+ the 7% follower act Tyrm just sent )

[valid raven]

For the anguish bonuses which are not direct stats, do they get nerfed at lower anguish as well? Like if I had an anguished 30 helmet with 7% pet act, will the pet act be less at anguish 5 or 10?

I know that the stat boost will be less but was curious about the passive boosts

[loud yew]

As of rn "Bonus Modifiers" from the crucibles are consistent across all anguish levels

[valid raven]

Great

[maiden sierra]

Life siphon can roll 1% too

[hasty solstice]

How do you guys switch the bonus

My gear does not allow that

[fierce island]

Update your game

[edgy minnow]

update game, buy crucible in guild for 1 proof

[hasty solstice]

Sadly most bonuses are kinda meh for me

[edgy minnow]

ward recovery tho

[hasty solstice]

It only works if you have ward recovery

It does not regen ward

[edgy minnow]

WHAT?!

its a bonus to existing ward regen?

so 1 prom part is mandatory

thats weird

[hasty solstice]

Any skiml that recovers ward

Skill

Gets slight buff

[brittle viper]

Oh, so it makes things like ward of light and ward of ortanite more effective??

[hasty solstice]

Yea the regen part on those

[edgy minnow]

welp, we'll wait for it to change and until then - pet act

[fierce island]

Or Gilga/Dorado/Cata passive ward regen

[zealous coral]

That applies to the base value?

Not sure how its calcd

Otherwise we'd be regenning 300k ward every turn (welp sign me the fck up ✍️ )

[hasty solstice]

I realy wished for some pet stat/summon stat bonuses

Or protection from 2-7%

Like actually intresting passives

Now we have anguish maluses like -pet protection,act and summon protection

Imo only thing i would use is maybe hp bonus

And dmg cap one

[loud yew]

Just more pet/summon stats would be more boring than ones like increase to ward recovery and spell casting damage reduction imo

[fierce island]

Sorry to the Summoners and Beos, Realmshift just because a Realmshifter skill

(Yes I typed Gilgas the first time. I blame #1368613148227014667 )

[hasty solstice]

That is lame...

I was excited for a second

[fierce island]

I am excited, it's really unique and has good potential

[hasty solstice]

Rip rhada gs btw

[hybrid void]

Summon build users taking another L but cool for the realms I suppose

[hasty solstice]

Yea even i used realmshift with eos

[hybrid void]

Is it rip when it was already dead

[hasty solstice]

Good point

Kick the crying gs on the ground

Atleast bloodshift is still temp buff

[brittle viper]

Now rework bloodshift

[hasty solstice]

That would hurt gs more than me

[fierce island]

Bloodshift is now a permanent buff
To balance this, it is now also applied to all party members when used.
|| ||

[zealous coral]

Also doesnt increase dmg

👍

[fierce island]

Ok so I think Odie maybe forgot to put out #patch-notes

There were other changes too

I'll just rip this out of the ORN chat...

[brittle viper]

More things???

[zealous coral]

Anxiety

Type faster pls

[hasty solstice]

Plz no

[fierce island]

Odie posted the entire Anguish changelog in the ORN chat so I had to trim it to the new things

### Addressing the Spiked Shield balance concerns
- [Shortened by Knight: Spiked shield tweaked again probably still not in the right place maybe]

### Improving Heretic and Realmshifter lategame identity
- Heretic's Manaflasks: replaced Banishment Flask with Aligned Sigilflask
- Heretic's Effacacious passive will now boost elemental weakness damage
- Reworked the Realmshift skills
- Celestial Arrow: removed Holy element, increased Starstruck rate to 100%
- The Delay Strike skills can now crit and have increased chance to alter an opponent's turn
- The Shadowed Nyx skills now use either magic or attack and ignore elemental immunities or weaknesses
- Realm Strikes II: increased minimum damage

### General Balance Adjustments
- Stasis is now a 10% chance to act instead of 0%
- Reduced the stat scaling that Towers of Olympia monsters receive per floor

### Fixed
- Better clarified the "Assassin" effect on items and passives in-game

[brittle viper]

Ohhhh, delay strikes may be useful now

Shadowed Strikes may be good for endless(brainless)

[zealous coral]

Damn i like the shadowed strikes change!

Efficacious also getting that sweet boost :0

[vital path]

Dang, stasis nerfed

[hasty solstice]

Stasis nefr!

[slow sand]

more importantly, banishment is finally gone

no more wasted space

[zealous coral]

Can we gilgas get the unshortened version of SS tweak? 🥹

[rustic escarp]

Realmshift finally feels like a thief skill. Thanks Odie, live the change!

And good riddance to stasis cheese

[zealous coral]

Nice i even thought it was gone already!

[hasty solstice]

Shadowed strikes 👀

[serene bluff]

Wow Stasis nerf is huge

[fierce island]

Imo stasis is still too strong but it's a good change to make it 90% instead

[gray solar]

^ agree

[serene bluff]

I will go take my concerns to HoA since most don't relate to that

[hasty solstice]

30% chance to act

[brittle viper]

This may be one of the most gamechanging updates

[zealous coral]

I gotta say summoners need some attention too after the ang 2.0 dust settles

[hasty solstice]

They got

They cant use realmshift anymore

[rustic escarp]

The attention: GS has been removed from the game

[zealous coral]

NO I DONT MEAN IT LIKE THAT

[gusty basalt]

Arcane strikes 4

Lol jk

Love the realm shit change (typo, should be shift)

[neon raptor]

saved

[gusty basalt]

F

[hasty solstice]

I am only intrested in delaystrikes

[neon raptor]

i am your past, present, and future

[spring ice]

Celestial arrow no longer holy, hell yeah

I can make my corvus dreams come true finally. Lol

[hasty solstice]

I might buy corvus for cele arrow now

[zealous coral]

New meta orna soloplay (no more mobs playing thats a thing of the past)

[zealous coral]

Is it fire only now? Was it ever fire?

[uncut rampart]

it used to be only holy, now I'm guessing non-elemental

[fierce island]

Holy was it's biggest pitfall in PvP

[zealous coral]

Oh sweet!

[uncut rampart]

pvp and also often in pve (trying to raid with it (if players were bored of seeing Ultima))

[neon raptor]

thats what i like to see

[fierce island]

Now Celestial Arrow is stronger than Ultima in PvP

[zealous coral]

Heretics rejoyce

And beos lol

[hasty solstice]

Yea justice for beos!

Gib eos bufr

[slow sand]

do elemental sigils kill ultima?

[hasty solstice]

They buff it

[slow sand]

i do more dmg with unbuffed ultima then when full buffed and with sigil

[hasty solstice]

I want to see a picture

Bc weakness boosts ultima

[hasty solstice]

And unbuffed

[slow sand]

No alignment for comparison

[hasty solstice]

I mean this one has more buffs and also more stats via mana

But

Try with notra aswell

[slow sand]

there's too much difference still

[hasty solstice]

Snotra is huge boost for magic dmg

But flask also could be bugged

Which it looks like

[slow sand]

Definitely something wrong

[hasty solstice]

Maybe theres a typo in sigls multipliers

Unless that is differend than the ones that anubis does

[loud yew]

Sigls don't give an actual "Weakness" iirc (or something weird like that)

that's why everyone uses the dragonblights as they actually make the enemy "weak" to the element

[ornate kernel]

Also, to add:

- Heretic Corvus: Removed Mystic Feather and added Efficacious II

[hasty solstice]

Thank god!

[slow sand]

but should that lower ultima dmg?

[spring ice]

Waiittt... so now there's no survival tool at all for corvus?

[hasty solstice]

It has bloodray

[fierce island]

Konq asked for that change lol

[hasty solstice]

Offence is the best defence

[ornate kernel]

I asked for Efficacious*, was told to pay a price

I did not know of many Heretic Corvus players utilizing Mystic Feather

[spring ice]

I can't put my input here since its not PvE 😆. Quite a few did like to mystic feather raids though

[ornate kernel]

I can't disagree with that option, especially with anguish coming into PvE - however I did use Manaseep & Crit Poise in raids to great success

[spring ice]

Can we get steadfast II back too then 😅 (yeah, yeah 10% isn't a lot I hear lol)

[hasty solstice]

Not every class needs steadfast 2

[granite lily]

I think you chose the right price to pay

defensive bonus stacking in raids AND anguish dungeons is the way to go

[ornate kernel]

I'll be honest I was asking for Efficacious I and graciously got Efficacious II - but I think going down to Eff I in exchange for Steadfast II wouldn't be a hard ask

[granite lily]

Also: Efficacious is broken as heck right now

As in - it literally doesn't work

[ornate kernel]

[granite lily]

elemental weakness damage gets reduced to the ground

[ornate kernel]

yeah it's at -88% right now

which is not intended methinks

[spring ice]

Well... wait for more input, not just mine please 😂. Efficacious II may be the better option

[granite lily]

It is. In anguish doubly so

[ornate kernel]

written as 0.125x as opposed to 1.125x is what I think is happening

[granite lily]

My current dungeon build is using a scroll with -18% spellcasting damage, so with efficacious I now receive -58% damage while casting DB/DC. By then my Atlas has almost certainly buffed me

and from there you can use Inflect/Golems/Barrier

Literally 0 things out

It's all about surviving the setup. Efficacious helps a lot with that.

[vast quail]

is this real?

[hasty solstice]

Yup

[vast quail]

wtf is realmshift 1 better than two

[fierce island]

No

[desert scaffold]

is Grand Elementalist part of this 3.17 patch?

also where is the map layers???

oh, it came back

[urban hound]

Why is it that no matter where I am, I can only spawn these bosses? I just can't test the path because there are no T10 bosses.

[fierce island]

Looks like wherever you are is classed as water

But also, T10 normal monsters work too

[drowsy wren]

with the current state: not the badest idea

[serene bluff]

Wait so Realm Finally got a Realm Only skill?

Like button push skill*

[hybrid sluice]

Bc of the -88%?

Maybe 0.12x

[tribal pond]

needs more additionals 🗣️

[hybrid sluice]

Whatever you do, do not mirror in arena

[edgy minnow]

what have you found?

[hybrid sluice]

Bug report has been made

(I was just being dramatic)

[edgy minnow]

heh, I'm just staring at my clone with occasional repeat of win sound

[brittle viper]

I did

It crashed lol

[serene bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/devils-advocate-dont-do-it-do-it-bobs-burgers-gif-6122814

[upper meadow]

Why dont just replace the stasis nerf by adding status protection for raid when choosing the path (battle modifiers)

So we dont need to publish stasis nerf and effect some newbies

[brittle viper]

That would affect all status effects

[rustic escarp]

Stasis needed a nerf regardless of anguish raids, it’s insanely powerful

[brittle viper]

-Def is necessary for raids

[orchid coral]

i still think insanely powerful, 9 out of 10 turns you block raid acting...

[rustic escarp]

Oh, I agree, it should definitely see more nerfs

[upper meadow]

Well most big raid are immunity to most status

[gray solar]

Statuses except stasis 😅

[upper meadow]

I worry that change will make some trouble to new player that make 100 turn earn raid

But the ascensions level didnt apply on follower yet, maybe i can try to experiment as a newbie with newest stasis nerf.

[hushed berry]

Players that take 100 turns killing raids, and are using stasis, will now have to endure the fate of a raid doing something 10 times.
That's hardly a challenge still.

[upper meadow]

Well i think the stasis nerf because it will be powerful on ang2.0 raids

About the 10% act rate... It smell like ward fail to protect rate

Even it only 3%, it really trigger very offen

[gray solar]

Thats a bad comparison

Orna is built around ward being the survival mechanic. If its fails, there isn't anything the player can/could have done to prevent the likely death

The game is not built around raids never acting.

[upper meadow]

Something like stun / rot in pvp

It is common 3-4 turn without acting with a rot debuff

With only 25%

[junior matrix]

Blight, not rot

[loud yew]

I've come to learn in orna, if the chance is there, it's probably gonna happen exactly when you don't want it to

[junior matrix]

Cognitive biases are a thing

[upper meadow]

Thanks for correction

The change will not effect me, just a point for those new players

[gray solar]

Even at a 10% action rate, the go to for high level party anguish raiding is likely to always have a stasis spammer if it works against the raids

its just too good

other than sleep, the best status is what, 50%?

[upper meadow]

Thats why i suggesting add status protection on path

So player love challenging will doing it with harder way

Player love comfort zone they will stay away from it

[echo night]

The patch was about the power of stasis in the overall game compared to the second best option I think. The disparity in utility between stasis vs sleep/stunned is unquestionable and makes difficulty EVERYWHERE in the game redundant

[gray solar]

This would just harm all the other statuses in the game though, which i really wouldn't want to see

For the first time in a long time the statuses have a place in content again. Its just stasis that is thos massive outlier

[upper meadow]

Stun / Sleep / Rot / Frozen / Paralysis will not working on most raids, so the point is meaningless

I think it will only effect those - def - res debuff.

[final nymph]

What is going on? I didn’t know. I hate my job 😂

[alpine night]

What about swapping Thief gear access to Warrior gear access and adding like 2 starting ward turns

or

Efficacious Corvus: helps temp buffs stay up while channeling multi-turn moves instead of/in lieu of one of the other effects?

or

Some other thief-flavored survival technique?

[gusty basalt]

Does this exist?

[final nymph]

Aww. I liked MF. I do think that it might need a defensive mechanic though…

[gusty basalt]

Fair. MF is cool when it works

[alpine night]

Well... nope.

We'd need like a mana-based mystic feather

[edgy minnow]

add too little status protection - full autumna gear player with 2 finesse katanas doesnt even notice (the multiplier is x...wait...x4.2052)
add too much status protection, and now theres no way to use statuses against raids since you either go 1 specific set or none at all)

[final nymph]

Mana rush. MF. Second chance. Or whatever. But a small lil thing?

[alpine night]

Absolutely no to giving HCorvus the Dorado passive xD

[gusty basalt]

Lol the realm community would have a riot

(All dozen of them)

[alpine night]

🤔 can sacrifice a bloodflask to second chance once?

[final nymph]

Wait. Why? 👀😂

Nah nah. Kiddiiiiiing

[alpine night]

Sacrificing mostly/full bloodflask to second chance would be a pseudo BeoH defense

Kinda on theme

[final nymph]

Instead of mana, it consumes a flask? Blood or mana? First one mandatory…so guaranteed SC one time only? That’s fire

[alpine night]

I feel like per being HCorvus it should break a bloodflask

there's part of me that wants it to be able to do it for each flask and that gives Bloodflask Infusion a terror use

[final nymph]

No double second chance. Just a single guaranteed one

[alpine night]

As well as I want to see the Endless runs where people have broken all of their flasks and can't get em back xD

[upper meadow]

I think we will only use -def or -res for raid depends on your dmg type.

[final nymph]

Right. If out of flasks, no second chance

[alpine night]

lol Ward Flask Infusion -> Bloodflask Infusion

NOW I'M READY TO FIGHT

Oh I meant literally break em xD - like it removes the flask from your count for the fight

Emptying once would be neat too

[upper meadow]

Full autumna gear = How do you do damage

[edgy minnow]

no like in a party play, a dedicated stasis spammer wouldnt even feel most of status protections

[final nymph]

Ohhhh. Breaking. That sounds good. If it doesn’t affect endless. I’d take that in raids and dungeons

Anyways. Good stuff. Me likey. If we get a defensive passive. lol

[echo night]

That would be insane for endless considering you can have 5 bloodflasks up 😂

[alpine night]

Yeah but it would just be a chance like anything else

And if it permanently removed the Flask from the run that would be quite the cost

[echo night]

Oh if it's a chance why the hell not

[final nymph]

Well true. I’d be fine with it being once. The guarantee helps sooooo much

[alpine night]

Yeah but by the very nature of becomes silly

Do like a 75%+ chance if the Flask is full or mostly full or something or again akin to whatever BeoH pet sacrifice is

[solar talon]

My input. It's now basically the only class without any sort of survivability passive. Yes, Mystic Feather + blue-lining is not the most ideal combo, but it was something, and gave it the mage-thief Hybrid identity. Like ... what? This is a very bizarre change.

[alpine night]

@solar talon what do you think of this? Not quite thief-y persay but also a bit sneaky/blood-magic-y?

[solar talon]

I'm uncertain 🤔

[final nymph]

Ward turns? 👀

[solar talon]

There's nothing that would protect you from a two-shot if your AI/you doesn't/don't fill the flask right away.

[final nymph]

True. Useless on defense

[alpine night]

I don't know if it would be on the table but what if it was a bit more overhaul and went:

1. Thief -> Warrior (especially as Wrecked pointed out in OL if SS is going to keep flat miss chance)
2. Starting Ward Turns 2
3. Can sacrifice a full/mostly full bloodflask for a chance to escape death

Or even just 2 and 3 if needed

Mana Feather would be a nice boon in lieu of any of that but I don't see that happening

[solar talon]

It is an interesting idea!

[alpine night]

@final nymph what would we need?

[solar talon]

Efficacious is good for casting Divine Bastion in PvP, but I don't think it offsets the survivability loss.

[alpine night]

Absolutely doesn't, heh - also clashes (currently) with Crit Poise which wants you critting left and right

However, while it wouldn't have maybe been my pick for an addition, I'd be a dirty liar if I said that I didn't miss it when playing Corvus on live

[solar talon]

What exactly did you miss it for? I don't mean that to come across as a criticism, I'm just genuinely curious.

[alpine night]

Nothing that I couldn't do better on the other 2 Heretics, but it was fun knowing I could pierce Gazers with Physical magic skills and such

Part of why I'd say an "Efficacious Corvus" with different flavors of abilities would be better IMO than just Efficacious

[vital path]

It’s still better than GS

[solar talon]

Ah, it was the immunity for you!

I'd be in favor with a Corvus efficacious. It could potentially be tweaked enough to not tip the scales when including Mystic Feather - considering the latter is hardly OP with Corvus's blue-lining.

[alpine night]

🤔

"While channeling spells you have the following buffs
-30% increased dodge chance
-30% increased positive temp buff duration."

-15% Immunity Pierce

No elemental weakness bonus damage

Or something like that, maybe?

[hybrid sluice]

Dodge chance Instead of damage reduction sounds like a great way to invoke MF's spirit

[alpine night]

Pair something akin to that with the bloodflask 2nd chance and what do we think??

[hybrid sluice]

Losing MF does mean second chance is on the table I guess

Idk gaining second chance and efficacious sounds same-y to the other heretics. On the other hand, MF without a supporting ability of some kind always felt wasted

It sounds like Odie doesn't give out free lunches, so I'm not sure where to go from here. To gain efficacious we had to lose MF, what do we sacricice to gain second chance or some real survivability?

[fierce island]

Efficacious

Or Steadfast, presumably

[hybrid sluice]

A reminder that this is Corvus survivability

MF and efficacious are kind of on the same tier of niche survivability for h.corvus

[fierce island]

Well the other options are Iconoclast, Flasks, or Critical Poise lol

[hybrid sluice]

I'd give up the flasks of corvus ability

30% charge is nice but not critical

I'd also argue that Corvus doesn't need to give up anything, but I assume Odie has guidelines for how many passives the hybrid celestials can have or something like that

MF does synergize with efficacious slightly, in that reduced damage is more likely to put us in MF range

If none of these, it would be pretty helpful to make Critical Poise not apply to negative status effects

[loud yew]

If you really wanna talk shitty niche survivability

[worn pawn]

at least beos have protect chance?

[loud yew]

Not BeoH

[worn pawn]

damn

cant make me feel bad for em

i got an SS to the face too many times

[loud yew]

that won't happen anymore after this update don't worry

you'll only probably see V4 crit from now on :/
(not that I liked SS or don't think it should be heavily nerfed, just kinda wish BeoH had more options)

[hybrid sluice]

This is compared to h.corvus

BeoH does seem like a one trick pony, but cmon

[loud yew]

I'm not really talking about balance or if it's good or not, im talking about fun/cool features

I just want one of those cool new passives like Apex/Flasks/Avidity/CD to play around with

[hybrid sluice]

It's fair that beoh survivability abilities are few

[loud yew]

100%

[hybrid sluice]

Recharge p good with all that hp/ward though

[loud yew]

Would give up Hydrus passive in a heartbeat for something else, or even if BBs/followers where given new passives/made usable

[spring ice]

I'd take a lot of those bestial bond modifiers.. lol

[loud yew]

what ones? there is like 5-6 that are useful

[spring ice]

Can someone with a decent AL mirror run some arena tests? I'm seeing the same thing gilgas were saying on the ss thread. Almost no damage difference with celestial arrow at 0 AL hits compared to 173 AL hits in the arena

[desert scaffold]

Hera Herakles, mana shield: 50% of current mana may absorb damage before ward

also iconoclast & Efficacious 3

[echo night]

Does 56 work?

[solar talon]

I wouldn't say so. Steadfast is kinda typical and Spell Casting Damage is only when using a multi-round spell. Insanely squishy.

[desert scaffold]

how about a high % chance per turn for a wisp or elemental minion to spawn on its own every time hera has a turn

[spring ice]

Yeah, that should work

[alpine night]

Let's keep it reasonable lol 😆

[desert scaffold]

I would like to observe reverse occam's razor, let's make it as complicated as possible ^^

[echo night]

Oh god all of the level 250s are t1 classes I'll have to use the cactus

On the left is QC, right is oracle

[hybrid sluice]

Yeah this was my point

Corvus survivability is kinda nil

In reality it's just thief gear and a bit or extra hp/dex

[hasty solstice]

Commonly usef with towerfall

[solar talon]

Oh, my apologies - I misunderstood your implications!

[hybrid sluice]

Oracle has no 2nd amity?

[solar talon]

Give Corvus Mystic Feather and Avidity

.../s (probably)

[hasty solstice]

Oracle does have second slot

[desert scaffold]

what if hera corvus just refuses to die, and after taking lethal damage, always gets 2 more turns

maybe if it kills something in that state it can keep living? idk

[upper meadow]

At least need 2 epee

[hasty solstice]

And 4 autumna

3 also works

[zealous coral]

Just like second wind in borderlandsss

[edgy minnow]

didnt know you can roll def/res pen on a weapon 🤔

[loud yew]

^^^

[echo night]

I switched to the build I used on oracle but I was still on sequencer lol

[granite lily]

does HCorvus have to be good in PvP? Correct me if I'm wrong but the conversation about it having Mystic Feather seems to be centered around PvP viability

[brittle viper]

I never saw Def/Res pen at 10%

[granite lily]

I don't care as much about the damage reduction from Efficacious (though I do like it! Makes it possible to setup DB in dungeons turn 1), but the increased elemental damage is really useful

so for PvE the current set of passives feels really good

I agree I would not mind sacrificing the increased flask charge rate though

[spring ice]

Hcorvus is pretty diverse (or was) for pvp which made it a lot of fun. I don't think there was any reason for it to lose mystic feather to gain efficacious. Mystic actually had use paired with efficacious because it has a better chance of putting you into mystic feather range

[brittle viper]

Well that explains it, I only have anguish 23

[spring ice]

A little counterintuitive to crit poise so pick your poison lol. Still manageable with it tho imo

[echo night]

So are we all in agreement to throw flasks of corvus under the bus

[granite lily]

I would much, much rather keep Crit Poise. Might not do much for PvP but it gives a lot of tools for PvE

[granite lily]

If it buys us anything, yeah absolutely

[spring ice]

Oh Im not saying to dump crit poise. It just makes you have to choose the path that is ideal to you - which is good imo

I don't want to be low HP carrying negative statuses ya know lol. Crit poise will want you out of mf range ideally

[granite lily]

right, yeah that does happen

[echo night]

The celestial passives on corvus never felt in alignment with its identity ngl. First there was positive buff duration and then increased flask charge which is something that would make more sense on normal heretic imo

[granite lily]

with the elemental sigil flask now on Base, I feel that Base Hera does have a more distinctive set of tools. I like this

I also think that HCorvus has the 'extremely good at setting up' identity. Obviously, that makes your start very risky and slow

and what I mean by it being good at setting up is that its ability to stack buffs cannot be matched by Base or Ara

for content where that matters (which thus far for me is just endless and anguish boss horde dungeons), the other subclasses cannot compete

[echo night]

Mystic feather also lent itself well on that front but for efficacious it was a pretty good tradeoff

[granite lily]

(for PvE. Wrecked is right that now Corvus is the squishiest class t1, and that matters a lot in PvP)

[echo night]

True

MF doesn't really matter when you die in one hit

[granite lily]

but to Wrecked credit - you absolutely can build so that you don't die to most skills turn 1

all except Verse IV in my experience, with the appropriate build

(and with enough ALs lol)

[echo night]

Having to build around a single passive is kinda sucky though, instead the passive should reinforce the strengths of the class

[granite lily]

if new passives are on the table (which I don't think they are) - would some base evasion that keys off of maximum mana be good enough to call it a survivability tool?

[hybrid sluice]

Mystic feather also gains a lot of value in pve

Which will be relevant for ang2.0. That context was missing from my previous evaluation of the ability

At least in pve you naturally make use of MF; in pvp efficacious does something with it

[granite lily]

I've been testing anguish dungeons extensively. I've found efficacious to have a more reliable impact on ability to setup in the first floor

especially because offhands can now make efficacious better

[hybrid sluice]

Wdym

[echo night]

All hail the DB turtling

[hybrid sluice]

Oh sure yeah I do that too

[granite lily]

there's an anguished gear passive that increases the amount of DR that you get when casting spells that take several rounds

[hybrid sluice]

Efficacious is sweet with db. Great for longer raids

[granite lily]

I've been able to get to -58% damage. I haven't run the math but I think this is better on average (40% base might not be)

[hybrid sluice]

I think the simplest, most effective change to corvus in beta is -flasks of corvus, +mystic feather

If Odie's okay with that extra survivability that would be great

[granite lily]

yes. If that is on the table that would be ideal

[hybrid sluice]

@ode pls

[echo night]

Please bring back my mf db cheese 😔

[spring ice]

Turtling is a lot less effective in the settlement world with the spacing. I used to steamroll every territory in range without missing because no one hit back. Now people hit back so I had to build into survivability and damage which is a lot tougher to do and keeps me from steamrolling through everything around. It's not a bad thing, it has definitely given lower AL players a fighting chance. I die offensively. Not necessarily often, but way more than I used to

[solar talon]

Not necessarily good, but it should have something. Pretty much every other class has some form of survivability passive. Second chance, dodginess, follower protection. Corvus would be the squishiest with nothing at all.

[alpine night]

How about rather than axe Flasks of Corvus, which is pretty darn relevant in Endless, add on the 2nd chance at the cost of emptying a bloodflask

Could do:
-whenever Flask is full will break to 2nd chance
-depending on the fill of a Flask (above 50) can break with best chance at full

Or something of that nature

I don't feel like we should be asking for Mystic Feather back right after trading it for something that doesn't help Corvus as much as it could (not saying this is bad though)

Per that-

What about changing that damage resistance on Efficacious to flat dodge chance while channeling? Then you get a pseudo dodge while maintaining the immunities etc

That seemed to have some good traction amongst everyone yesterday

A consensus of sorts is going to be more relevant than bouncing ideas around so are the Heretics ready for a poll?

Also probably time for a mini HCorvus thread if we are going to keep hogging the general chat

[hybrid sluice]

Corvus thread sounds good

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[edgy minnow]

I'm at 9% with anguish 1, level doesn't matter

[brittle viper]

I never got to 10%, only 9

[brittle viper]

Maybe you can get more % the more lvel of anguish the weapon has

[edgy minnow]

nah, just unlucky

or

it got adjusted

[brittle viper]

I tried 17 times

Yesterday

[edgy minnow]

137 rolls

[valid raven]

Gahdamn

10% pen on ornate a.trev when

[tribal pond]

10% of 0 is still 0 lel

[edgy minnow]

it was just to prove a point that anguish level doesnt impact bonuses, guy (and me) was just unlucky

but 137 rerolls is pain

feels like I'm playing warframe again (2.5k rerolls on a riven 💀)

[hasty solstice]

Summoner inaros is meta change my mind

[edgy minnow]

Caliban summoner tho

[hasty solstice]

Kitty queen khora

With dublicate kavat and sand cats^

[granite lily]

The heck is sterance?

[zealous coral]

Warframe hype??

[junior matrix]

[edgy minnow]

I really hope Odie will have mercy on us and doesn't make getting bonus a 1000 reroll journey

[granite lily]

I googled it and apparently it is a unit of optical radiation?

I like that little sprite though :p

[edgy minnow]

rember

we need perfect 50/50
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[fierce island]

During the hype puzzle for Arisen Quetzcoatl, people were having trouble with the puzzle and Waifugeddon made a little guy out of the puzzle pieces

That is Sterance

[loud yew]

You're the one vote making it not 50/50

Ez fix

[edgy minnow]

I did want the number to grow, hence message for 50/50, need more people

[zealous coral]

I tried to help but i ended up messing it up

Im a good guy i swear 😦

[tribal pond]

I got you

[hushed berry]

Sterance is, well, knight has explained it pretty well.
What I just realised, however, is that sterance is almost 3 years old!

What I am afraid I cannot find, is his origin post. Because it's in old Hype.

[fierce island]

The tragedy of archived channels

[hushed berry]

Waves fist Daaamn yooou daaangyyy

[worn pawn]

what was it born from? the chimera or lyncus puzzle right?

[vast quail]

where does the name come from though

[worn pawn]

right quetz

[dense elk]

Its a Homestar Runner reference

[gray solar]

Is @loud briar even around these days?

[latent karma]

I've always been more partial to da huuuudddgeee

[loud briar]

Yes

Still alive

[gray solar]

Ohai! In case you hadn't seen your creation come to life, now you know 🙂

[loud briar]

Oh yeah I was aware of it

[gray solar]

Which begs the really important question

[loud briar]

This makes Sterance actually canon, and I'm all there for it

[gray solar]

Can you now have two sterance?

[loud briar]

Yes