Class change

[slate totem]

I have no objection to the content of this patch But I want you to let me change my class

[rapid vigil]

To what?

[slate totem]

Maybe....Gilgamesh, Summoner, Beowulf

I've suffered so much about my character being a Deity😭

[neat shale]

deity → rip

[cobalt pebble]

I will love to change class too

[slate totem]

Every time there is a change in the game, every user suffers
We want the right to choose again

[neat shale]

Ascension makes boring games

[hot grove]

How did you feel about this patch in beta testing? (I know you have a mirror char in beta) As extremely high AL player, What makes you want to give up Deity class?

[slate totem]

I'm actually trying to change the class because the game is boring

[slim whale]

Every change = new nerf

[slate totem]

But. I ran a test on a beta server and as a result I want to give up on Deity

[slate totem]

I know that users suffer every update
We certainly need to improve this

[slim whale]

Now I want to leave the game again

[near nimbus]

Summoner indeed, the title of this game says it all : ORNA the turn-based GS game

[slate totem]

I dare say that The balance problem cannot be solved in the end

[slim whale]

GS + celestial killed the game

[slate totem]

If there is a problem, it is right that it should be corrected and supplemented

[hot grove]

Well, Every balance problems can solved if we can change AL here to there with no cost, but this is not a place to talk about it.

[slate totem]

But don't think it's a problem, think differently

Let's think of it as a meta-change, and there are so many things that can be solved

[slim whale]

They can't solve anything

All they do is trash

[near nimbus]

I'd say the problem is you don't play new classline. Everybody know that NF love casual players more than hardcore player, so you will feel much better being casual and play new class

[slate totem]

I actually want to try various characters

Why do we only play limited? We have 12 new characters

If that is not possible
I want to be authorized to change classes when there is a big change update

[wooden sigil]

I also want to try gs that is heavily taken care of

[slate totem]

I used to level down live server my heretic character 61->0

And yesterday, the beta server downed 120->0
I lost 9 months time and 12,000,000,000 orns

[terse shadow]

more like asking for a cross class ascension

[verbal harness]

is this still because of pvp or what?

try actually playing the class in pve content lol

the grass is always greener on the other side

[fossil cliff]

again? no bro, drink more 소주 and it will be okay.

[near nimbus]

Always PvP first , if a game has PvP then PvE is just to grind gear for PvP

[solar wing]

I wouldn't recommend GS as one of the options if you want to suffer less

[wraith meadow]

The game: you can change classes whenever you want and need, you dont need to use one class everytime i promise
AL: LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF

[solar wing]

It's not, that's just arbitrary thinking

[verbal harness]

if you want to grind AL, you gotta be good at horde and raiding. GS is good at neither

[cobalt pebble]

I though AL need a lot of orns and GS is good in reaching deep endless

[solar wing]

Slow's the name of the game, it's good at reaching deep endless but it takes a while to get that going, not to mention it's mentally harrowing

[slim whale]

Good to go deep

But for speed other classes >

[solar wing]

Heard it evens out with how fast other classes can go though

[cobalt pebble]

Well, no class is good at everything

[verbal harness]

I dont know how I feel about someone being able to use deity to fuel their ascensions to then swap those ascensions to another class

[slim whale]

1 GS endless = 2 from deity/realm/Hera

[cobalt pebble]

It is accepted that some class are better than others at certain role

[solar wing]

Yeah, but for the choices that GFM brought up, GS isn't that good compared to Deity and would certainly intensify their suffering😆

[verbal harness]

but with a shitload of ascensions you can do everything pretty quickly as deity I'd imagine

or not even a shit load

[solar wing]

True, but now, you'd have the same problem as the reason behind this post

[verbal harness]

what if GF master swaps all his ascensions to another class and then regrets it lol

[cobalt pebble]

As a heretic, i will say heretic isnt as good in pvp as deity. Also the ability to wear so many class makes me green with envy

[solar wing]

The fact that ALs could be subject to cap is painful for summon-focused builds but it'd probably turn out well if they provide another solution

[verbal harness]

yeah deity seems like one of the best endgame classes to me

probably better than heretic post ultima nerf

[wraith pagoda]

take a look on base status, there would only one class for endgame

[cobalt pebble]

Imo, deity and gilga scale really well with AL. Not so much for other class and poor beo (at least in live) is left far behind

Well.. looks like the saying is true.

Somehow the grass is always greener at the other side 😂

[verbal harness]

lol

I think a lot of people would agree that deity is one of the stronger endgame classes though

[solar wing]

Mhm

[slim whale]

Sadly deity is weak to everything

Even Ara deity now

[verbal harness]

the fact that the 80% amity doesnt work in pvp anymore does make it super weak to ultima

[solar wing]

Couldn't they take a lot of punishment still?

Oh, you meant PvP

[slim whale]

They killed the game

Like always

[verbal harness]

you're gonna quit again? 😛

[slim whale]

Probably

[solar wing]

Cuz of PvP issues?

[verbal harness]

I think they went way too hard on ultima tbh

[slim whale]

Cuz of everything in this fucking game

[solar wing]

Aight, well you do you

[cobalt pebble]

The ultima nerf is a pvp buff for diety lol

[verbal harness]

looking more like a nerf to me

everything that reduces ultima damage also doesnt work anymore, so no 80% amity and rhada souls

[slim whale]

Asc 0 Ultima kill a Asc 100 deity

[wooden sigil]

Ascending in Asc takes a lot of time and effort, and it requires continuous optimization and acceleration through leveling up and improving equipment. It's not something that can be achieved simply by talking about it.

[verbal harness]

I do think being good at horde is important for it

for grinding mats and stuff

I have to ascend another class to do horde

[torpid silo]

THIS ^^^^^
I submitted a suggestion a while back to address this issue.
Orns is not so much the problem as the time & energy, as well as materials (especially the rare ones like platinum, herbs) invested.
Once you're 40-50 AL deep, it doesn't make much sense to start from scratch with ascending another class, or the conflict with doing another 10 ALs on your main.
In short, the game should penalize/punish you for investing time, energy & resources & lock you to that 1 class.

[cobalt pebble]

Should penalize/punish?

[low flame]

It is worth nothing that ascensions are a known issue and the team is looking at them, and considering a full refund depending on the solution they end up implementing.
The refund is not due to class changes, but due to ascension changes.

The ascension changes are not scheduled for this patch however, as this one is based on class balance, and ascensions are a universal coat that can apply to any class

I wouldn't be surprised if adressing ascensions was the next priority after the balance patch.

[torpid silo]

I would hope so.

[grim hornet]

In reading the content here, I'm not sure exactly what would lead Deity to be an underperformer due to the changes. Could we clarify? I can't accept "game is boring" as a balance speculation

We're running a beta to ensure the balance is just right...Suggesting it can't be done/Summoners are an issue (after a nerf?) won't be too productive. Let's try providing examples of things out of balance after the changes

[slim whale]

If 80% res amity and rhada souls don't work anymore any deity will get destroyed by Ultima weakness (And Ara is now weak to everything like base/Ursa)

So yeah, looks like a big nerf

[grim hornet]

Yup, that bug is known. The patch notes due say "The damage of Omnimancy spells can no longer be increased by geared elemental boosters"

After it is resolved, what are the remaining issues?

[slim whale]

Oh, was that a bug? I mean after the beta, 80% and rhada will work again?

[grim hornet]

as the notes say, the damage increase will only be removed.

Afterwards, what will the remaining issues be?

[slim whale]

That's a good thing, the other complaining about deity is Ara, now weak to everything and still have Steadfast 1 instead of 2

But the biggest thing imo was about the bug

[grim hornet]

steadfast adjustment for ara is definitely coming as well - it should pretty clearly be an oversight

[slim whale]

Will have Steadfast II?

[grim hornet]

well, I don't see the adjustment being Steadfast 0 or Steadfast III, so probably safe to assume II 😉

[slim whale]

Ok x) that's a good thing, a lot of friend was very sad about the Ara

Can I suggest something to help the Ursa deity?

[grim hornet]

It's a beta, keep in mind that many things will be subject to change - insulting the studio in these posts is only going to get you removed from the discord. Perhaps conversation that betters that game will be better for everyone

[slim whale]

I've done that, atm I'm like "back in the game" and I see Ara nerf and big prom nerf for a little Selene nerf, I'm like "meh"

To help the Ursa deity about the redline because a lot of people with low Asc are complaining about this I only suggest to add more hp to the class (like the BeoH hp)

[solar wing]

Just gonna ask, is the Ascended Summons being removed for GS Hydrus an oversight as well?

Also, sorry for the ping

[grim hornet]

No, Hydrus is a player power shift - so ascended summons are not great. Having them harder to defeat is also counterintuitive to the passive

[solar wing]

Alright, thanks!

[verbal harness]

I can understand it from a summon damage perspective, but it also increases blood pact damage

[grim hornet]

so does charging the passive 🙂

[slim whale]

Btw the new "steal turn" was that a good idea to give this to monster too? A F500+ realm zerk will be even more scary x)

[grim hornet]

nothing wrong with a little difficulty

[slim whale]

Yeah true

The crit for seal/strikes III will help anyway

[near nimbus]

Diety(and maybe hera/beo/RS) doesn't have a reliable skill to overcome Grand summoner after nerf of augments.

Let's see a general PvP : AL 10~20 T11 match.
A mag 6k deity deal 85k on dragons of AL 18 GS with Ara vesta II in turn 1.
And we know GS can stack protect chance to 95% with augments.
So, deity can win in following situation: Ara Vesta double hit to player or clear all summons.

After patch it'll become 50K (roughly), which make it impossible to clear summons with 250k HP (5 turns to kill), so the only way to win reliably is praying Ara Vesta II / Chain SS double hits(and it hits player).

[low flame]

That 95% is not 95% anymore

[forest geyser]

and this? [PvP] Skills such as Perfect Shot can now be used to bypass Battalions and Valhallan Protection

[rapid vigil]

Perfect shot is very less M1

[slate totem]

I tested Deity on a beta server and Tested to 85 level of Gilgamesh after lowering the level

Crit skill & non crit skill Unless you know the difference between these two things, this balance will always fail

Every balance is always involved and maintains a very complex balance relationship

We should know that Ultima and BP, for example, are in close contact with each other

In fact, this balance is very complicated You'll never complete it

Give users the right to re-select plz

[grim hornet]

As others have shown, Battalions was heavily adjusted in PvP - you can check out the patch notes in #game-announcements

95% protect is simply not possible any more. Additionally, there are new mechanics to bypass summon/follower protection

[rapid vigil]

I am a bit confused about this. What are the issues with the class?

[grim hornet]

Can we provide some clearer examples on how this patch directly affects Deity in a way that warrants ascension reversal?

[slate totem]

Beta server AL 138 Deity play

[rapid vigil]

How is that you are getting damaged so much?

Just what are you wearing?

What are your def/res

[slate totem]

I am not opposed to this patch at all

Please wait. We're recording a video right now

[grim hornet]

Per our announcements, we'll be looking at ascensions at a later date. They won't be handled in this balance patch

If there isn't anything to discuss about the balance patch, i'm unsure why this is in our #1097562310672924692 channel

[verbal harness]

I mean he is using snotra

[rapid vigil]

Yeah, but he getting for 13-14k with element attacks too

I get attacked for that much with gunnr

[slate totem]

I'm not trying to compare everything
What I'm saying is that when there's an update, it's the user who decides it's right and has to deal with it when the patch is done

[slate totem]

If you don't think of this as feedback, I won't write any more
I'm not trying to argue, I'm not trying to stress you out