Realms Light Gone

[deep oak]

But why?

[molten pulsar]

I'm curious too 😅

I understand the want to remove something when something else is added, but having Realmshifter go from "The class with bonus view distance" to "The class with the worst view distance" isn't a great feeling

Especially given GPS content like towers makes you want that extra view distance for scouting.

[haughty kiln]

Dorito (and Majestic? Majistrate?) still have highest VD, right? just base realm doesn't

[sharp apex]

Best scout is magistrate for towers. Losing realmslight for REALMshifter still hurts. Badly.

[deep oak]

Nope Dorito is Dorito

[molten pulsar]

Dorado lost it as well

[deep oak]

Nothing there as well

[sharp apex]

Dorito can equip the headpiece tho

[pseudo elbow]

why not include the view distance to avidity

[molten pulsar]

Sure, so it becomes tied with Gilga

[haughty kiln]

Majestic mains finally triumphant

[hollow lintel]

all realms lost it, for anyone that got mislead by the notes

not just base

whether intended or not

[pseudo elbow]

thief with same spatial awareness as others believe it or not, straight to jail

[deep oak]

Early RS will suffer as they can't get Dorito

[limpid pine]

RS looking for towers:

[hollow lintel]

majistrate best area def class again

[sharp apex]

Completely agree. That was just in response to all realms having the same vd opportunity.🤷🏼‍♂️

[deep oak]

Dorito is not realms

It's mid-game to endgame class

[pseudo elbow]

realm from flashlight to fleshlight real quick

[hollow lintel]

do we even have doritos and corvitos players that are 230 or lower level?

[deep oak]

Nope

Without crit they can't do towers

Or if someone is so big of a Masochist that will buff every time and take 3-4 hrs to complete one tower.

Then yeah there can be someone

[hollow lintel]

hey don't tell them how i did my first towers

[untold chasm]

Replace Saboteur II with Realm's Light?

[molten pulsar]

🤔 This is a tough choice

[waxen kettle]

I'm going to vote yes and regret it when dragons come back

[deep oak]

Yeah, a bit

For PvP

[molten pulsar]

To be honest though, I've been PvPing with Realmshifter Dorado

Which doesn't have Saboteur

And it's been working quite well

[deep oak]

I use Base Realm against Gilga

[pliant reef]

Replace avidity with realm light

[solid wind]

yeah realms light over saboteur everyday lol

[deep oak]

So it's a bit tough

[pliant reef]

Here, I fixed it

[solid wind]

but I still think a headpiece realm locked VD can be done and it will match up to other classes

[deep oak]

Well yeah Base realm Doesn't need Avidity

[waxen kettle]

Places saboteur is really nice:

• fighting gilga in pvp
• dragon event
• fallen diety
• Medea

Am I missing anything?

[digital smelt]

I really don't think Realm should lose Sab. It's a really unique piece of the kit

[waxen kettle]

I'll take avidity over Sabo every day of the week

[deep oak]

Tower titans

[digital smelt]

I do wish Sab's ward effect was less peaky to nyx/realm. like.. realm is 2.25x ward damage iirc (sab2). I wish there was ward damage items that had like.. 1.2-1.5x, and Realm had 1.5x, then make it all multiplicative (it's additive atm)

[waxen kettle]

Have you actually depleted their ward?!

[digital smelt]

irrelevant there unless you deplete their ward

[ruby hatch]

it would be much better to exchange it for the mystical feather

[deep oak]

I mean Corvus and Dorado only have 5 and 4 passives to them

They can get one more

[weary comet]

Medea 🫣🫣🫣

Here all week guys

[cosmic linden]

I don’t really see why realm should lose anything when it’s underperforming so massively when you look at the latest blog post. Sure, cut the blind part and add VD to another passive if passive # is an issue, but I don’t see how cutting saboteur solves anything

[digital smelt]

absolutely not. realm needs that buff. realm's light relegates realmshifter to a torch class. it's been an ongoing meme for so long

[ruby hatch]

and increase the chance to blind an enemy

[cosmic linden]

Avidity fees pretty good on 1v1 content but realm was already doing well there

[haughty kiln]

If realm isn't the torch class then idk what it is tbh

[weary comet]

Majestic duh

[hollow thicket]

Just hide it in the class description like crit damage 😉

[haughty kiln]

no, I mean what is realm if it's not a torch

[digital smelt]

I genuinely wouldn't mind Realm.. not having added VD innately as a passive, but thief had more/more potent gear for VD. more-so than helhest's +2%

[waxen kettle]

Ok I voted against.

Feels unnecessary to lose a core kit piece just to get the class flavor back

[deep oak]

Okay

[weary comet]

Oh, nothing

[waxen kettle]

Question:

Does anybody care about the blind part of realms light?

[molten pulsar]

That just spirals into a Deity buff, and leads to less selection on world loadout gear

[stuck zephyr]

Loss of realm light is only an inconvenience with dungeon re-entry pop-up and Magistrate existing.

[deep oak]

It existed?

[dawn charm]

Helhests have a ton of adornment slots when goforged though. Loading them up with SoW is where they become really good.

[rotund sigil]

its only 1 more than the all class a.. surtr

[untold chasm]

this would be a pretty sizable nerf - hoping it's a joke 🙂

[waxen kettle]

Is an innate buff to realm VD out of the question Odie?

[deep oak]

A very big nerf

[waxen kettle]

No passive, just more base VD

[digital smelt]

no, because the proc chance (like most proc chances tend to be) is abysmal 😅

[ruby hatch]

the only advantage of having this would be changing the passive for the mystical feather and increasing the current chance of blinding an enemy otherwise the passive does not work.

[digital smelt]

if the proc chance were like.. 10, 20% instead of the current... 2%(?) it'd be worthwhile

[waxen kettle]

Gotta make sure I'm not missing some weird edge case I had never heard about lol

[digital smelt]

this would be good too. similar vein to GS' innate Foresight bump where foresight is usually a gear-only thing (and two specs)

[hollow thicket]

Would blind even do anything to your opponent if you're in Mystic Feather?

[digital smelt]

for a long time I'd wanted Realm's Light to be buffed to

1. higher proc rate/unique effect, or
2. grant realm blind immunity

without either of those realm's light just is a torch effect

[digital smelt]

I think they stack. I think there's "incoming" and "outgoing" accuracy. dodge would be incoming (relative to the feather user), while blind would be outgoing (relative to blinded player)

but i'm not certain

[solid wind]

torch effect is best effect :C

[digital smelt]

so it's something like.. feather's 30% hit chance * blind's 50% hit chance

[ruby hatch]

this I have to accept immunity to blindness would be more tolerant

[digital smelt]

but if it's between blind immunity or advidity, for example, then absolutely advidity lol

even a buffed realm's light (say.. 20% blind chance, blind immunity) would be less prefereable than advidity

[ruby hatch]

the funny thing is that the mystical feather passive still makes the character dodge less than the heretic dodges attacks or becomes immune to them

[frozen quartz]

When blind can help u? :/
Almost all WRBs are immune to it.
In PVP maybe, but that's relative.

[ruby hatch]

pvp doesn't help even using a skill that causes blindness

currently at % in-game

[deep oak]

Heretic is immune almost 30-50% of the times

[pseudo flame]

Yall ain't seeing through that hood anyways

[deep oak]

Mystic feathers stops working after the stat scaling.

Like in raids or endless.

If mystic feather was a fixed min chance to miss and max chance of the current one, then it would really be compared to heretic immunities.

[ruby hatch]

over 80% of this patch was a joke

From the moment the community has to vote on the nerfs, the majority of the community obviously, by the graphics presented to you, are from the exact class that took the least nerf and is the most dominant in the game.

[haughty kiln]

The summoner high council met in a smoky, dimly lit room to discuss how removing realm's light would seal their dominance in endless.

[untold chasm]

unfortunately, the graphics weren't really constructive - betas are open being constructive and providing feedback to unfinished work. if you want to call this work a joke, i'm not sure you'll be seeing much attention from us

[ruby hatch]

the vote:

cool I can choose what to nerf in all classes so my summoner stays on top

[untold chasm]

i'd recommend checking out the patch notes to see the adjustments that the summoner will be having as well

[ruby hatch]

I don't think the amazing work on this game is a joke, the balance as it has been shown in the last few months turned out to be.

otherwise I wouldn't have spent 1200 hours inside it

[solid wind]

Im sure there's better way to get your point accross without sounding rude, but hey, you do you.

Eitherway that's the Light's Gone topic

so please move it elsewhere you two

[untold chasm]

looks like they left

[solid wind]

Rip

[rotund sigil]

grumpy people, maybe they needed to go touch grass.

[solid wind]

People have bad days, it happens tho

hope it was nothing too bad on him

[untold chasm]

Realm's Light has been added back to Realmshifter. Thanks for the feedback, all - will close this one off

[cosmic linden]

People are spoiled from having such a communicative dev team. Hopefully NF knows the majority of us aren’t unappreciative of their efforts

[solid wind]

Got it, Just to letyou know, his way of thinking is not what the majority feels, y'all are doing a great job

[rotund sigil]

i think the above type of comments have been the minority in these threads tonight

[solid wind]

and ihope people will show it more !

[rotund sigil]

theres been lots of good discussion, and a good variety of opinions and suggestions- even from those quite unhappy

[solid wind]

unfortunately the bad one always overhadows the good one